The Software System

Looks pretty awesome. I hope it isn't too overpriced.

more like made to make money for the maker first. another guru.

$2700!!

You have to be kidding me mate.

Seriously, the so called "difficult marketing" is going to be like pretty much the same methodology as the marketing for a big product launch.... funnily enough, like "The Software System"

Seriously though, the price seems just a little on the arrogant side to me...

I agree that finding high quality coders can be the toughest part of this. In my experience the best you can do to narrow down your options, and get the best possible coders is to be extremely specific as to what you want, AND to use "feedback questions" in your project ad.

For example, here is a template that I use on Freelancer.com:

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PLEASE NOTE FIRST!!!
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High quality worker filter requirement.

Please do not bid if you " "

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PLEASE NOTE FIRST!!!
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Hi and Thanks for visiting.



Your job description here, including videos, images, etc, to be as detailed as possible.



Please type this in your private message to me... "change here" so I know you read and understand the requirements.

Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you

Don't forget 50% of it goes to affiliates...maybe the secret to getting something promoted...is just to pay others a crap-load to do it for you! lol

~Dexx

I've gotten so cynical about these huge launches that now, when I start getting a bunch of emails promoting the latest one, I don't even click on the link but check this forum first. At least I can exit here without getting a bunch of pop-up screens

My mailbox was very busy during the last 2 weeks. Philip Mansour has been spamming my inbox with Auto Click Profits and now there is another few marketeers spamming me with The Software System.

Just hope there will not be another JV launch - let me have some peace.

This is my point of view about this kind of products

I'm a software engineer and my products are of course softwares.
The big problems with software are 3

1) making the software
2) promoting it
3) mantaining it

1) First you need to have a good idea or your software simply will not sell. And if you are a not a programmer, it's difficult to "see" what people need to help them in their daily work.
Once you have the idea, you have to program it. Making a good software requires time, many time, because you have to build it and test test test. If your software is not stable, you'll have serious problems with your customers. Do you really think that you can do a good software for cheap? I don't agree with you

2) If you are in the IM, promoting a software is as difficult as promoting any other product. If you have a good product, your job will be easier: if you have a good list of JV, you will rich in few hours

3) This is what few people know. Once you have a good software, your customers will find bugs, will want new functionalities etc...
If you don't have your programmers always available, you'll get tons of refunds

This is the reality from my point of view (a programmer which sells software)

^^^ all true what dspa said...in fact IMO in some ways software is HARDER to sell than info products because you don't have that "use this to get rich" crap in the sales copy. Software provides a purpose and fills a need. For many of the products, you don't HAVE to use it, but it makes your life easier.

And as far as what he said regarding maintaining the software... Most programmers, they will give you a low price on the initial bid, because any fixes/bugs/additional features is where they will bang you out. They know it would be a serious pain to move to new programmers for new features and bugs, so their prices for those are not nearly as friendly as the initial bid.

I tell y'all what. I am just about to launch my own e-book about how to make and promote iPhone and Droid apps, along with an MP3 of the e-book, and a few other bonuses. I'd be glad to give a couple of review copies if you'll PM me. I've got to limit it to about 3-5 copies, and I'd like for you to open a dialogue with me about possibly using a quote from you on my website once it goes live in Clickbank.

I was thinking of a price for the whole kit of $97 or $77.

But, like I say, if a few of you want to help me out with a review, I'll give it to you.

That was a expensive one...!

How many WSOs can you buy for that price

$80 for making an app, it's got to be a piece of crap.

Apps can be anything stupid or they can be an effective application that actually DOES something beneficial or entertaining. For $80, you're not going to get much from a programmer on Odesk.

Next.

Here I'll save everyone $2,680....

Buy this instead,

iPhone App Entrepreneur | Rockable Press

Cheers,

Life

Yeah....$2,700 is a ridiculous price for this....I didn't think it would be over $495...lol I feel sorry for the people who feel they need to pay this kind of money for a product especially when you can find just about everything here for free on the warrior forum. That includes good software programers and marketing traffic techniques.

HI all, I have not posted on the forum here for sometime, but had to come have a look to see if there was a thread on the new software system or not ... sure enough there was.

I work in the mobile space and have some projects in development. If you have your app made consider how to monetise and make money as a publisher/owner, connect it to a social network etc.

I must say the marketing has been good, the videos are well done, a bit hyped and of course the success is driven by the guru's lists, ignorance on the matter and people seeking the next best/easy thing to make them rich.

The price tag is pretty crazy, to some it might be ok to get into it for the first time if they have the spare cash. We need a review from someone who has brought the product.

Many of his guru mates are offering to help with one-on-one development advise etc and one has offered 5% of from app profit for coaching for the year ... but you have to buy the software of course. Should email back and say ok I will give you 20% if you buy my copy of the software

My feed back is - Yes mobile apps specifically for software development is a good move, but decide this is going to be your specific business move and put things in place to make it happen. Can you concentrate/focus? First generating a good idea then organising to get it done and not be distracted by another great offer/market.

I would mastermind with from friends or peers in the industry, maybe a JV.

... but you need to focus!

I see this all time as I own/run a mobile marketing mastermind community forum and offer some basic training, recorded webinars on mobile CPA (very low key, we are focused on mobile CPA at the moment) with membership levels.

... people join, ask a lot of questions and expect fast results and when they don't see massive easy profits they move on. note: I do have a core group were we mastermind on campaigns and make money and sometimes loss money, Nov last year we were hitting $1000 days. (I have been considering opening a thread on app. development on the forum if there is enough interest).

Do more research is what I would say, as many have commented here, there are ways to do this without spending the $2700 on one program, use this money to pay a programmer or project person to get your project going or even for market research.

The biggest issue I think is a good idea and for that you need to brainstorm - with others you can trust.

Danny

Interesting dexx that changes things for sure.

What I didnt say as well as that submitting your app to the top 20 or top 40 review sites is no guarantee of success either, how many requests do you think they get for newly released apps? It was some time ago in one Steve Jobs keynotes where he was talking about the app approval process, apple globally get something like 16,000 (yes thousand) new apps submitted *every day*.

Popping back Danny just reminded me to go back to your site, I joined some months back and then forgot all about it! Be interesting to see how you are doing with CPA, all my apps are paid ones but considering free+CPA.

Gary

Boy I got so much to say I don't even know where to begin...I actually have a book on creating software as a non programmer that I've been working on for quite awhile now. I also must say my experience is limited to a little more then half a dozen software products I have created and sold my self or with partners.

First...anyone who tells that its easy to create software without being a programmer yourself is FULL OF SH*T. Can it be done, of course. But there are many "gotchas" that can really make the entire process REALLY freaking difficult.

Second, not being a programmer your self makes things exponentially harder. Even if your not a programmer you still want a fairly high level of technical understanding and if possible you want a basic understanding of computer and software logic. (input, output, data storage concepts, etc)

Even than you still got the chips stacked against you. The biggest problem you run into as a non programmer is being totally reliant on someone else to fix bugs and correct any issues that arise.

You really only have a few options.

1.partner with a programmer. (or create a real software startup)

2.have a very large bank roll and resource pool for good programmers and developers.

3.CAREFULLY design your software and spec sheet so you don't need many future upgrades once most bugs are found. (and designing things in a modular fashion so future upgrade can be introduced without breaking to many things.)

Stick with simple software that solves very specific problems using a very step by step structure. Armand Morin has a really good grasp on how to do this as a non programmer, but I'm not sure if he teachs its in a individual course.

I could go on and on and have some great stories of what not to do as well as what to do when outsourcing software. If people are really interested maybe I'll make a more detailed post on the subject.

EDIT - I want to add I don't know what Trey teaches in the course. If he does show you how to design software as a non programmer and how to get around all the problems and issues you might run into outsourcing software development, than honestly for the right person it might be worth the price tag.

However, as someone who has first hand experience in what Trey is going to teach, I felt the dude was sugar coating things a little to much and he did something pretty questionable. As others have said, his iphone app only got so many sales so quickly because he got people with large lists in the IM niche to promote his app with a bundled ebook offer.

Its good marketing, but he made it sound like his app just did well all by it self.

I believe Trey stated that his course isn't much about the "how to create" as much as it will be about "how to market / make money" from software ideas etc.

~Dexx

I never really imagined I'd spent much time on this section of the WF and comment on the products. It seems to me that most of the stuff being reviewed is such obvious BS that I don't know why people have to come to the WF to figure out that it is.

But "The Software System" comes packaged pretty well and I know Trey makes a lot of money, and overall Frank and Trey are about as honest as people get in the IM industry and good choices if your wanting to learn from someone.

I'm sure that the launch for the Software System will do well for those promoting it. Frank and Trey typically work hard (in spite of the well crafted image they have) and put out great promo's. It's also a new and hot topic -so - I'm sure there will be a lot of buyers.

I do question, however, if those buyers could experience the same level of success that Trey has had using the same system he used to achieve it.

I seem to recall about a month and a half or two months ago that both Trey and Frank sent out offers to their lists to give away IM content if you downloaded the 99 cent Iphone ap. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me, and I wonder what % of the sales Trey got was as a result of that.

Even if the overall percent of the sales driven to the ap by this offer was small, how much of the momentum created that drove later sales was due to this.

I'm not saying you can't make money building Aps, I haven't a clue because it's not a business I've ever been interested in looking at. I am saying though that it's doubtful a person could do exactly what Trey did.

Mike Long sent out email today saying Trey's launch bombed...

Something of interest. Dangers of building on someone else’s platform « Kindle Review – Kindle 3 Review, Kindle vs Nook Very nice review of platforms, apps, etc.. This isn't an affiliate link.

Another popular marketer alluded to this as well.
Here's an email I received regarding this...

i like the price that they has set up for this
people will appreciate it and me too