Google Sniper 2.0 New Release

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by musiclyons

Has anyone purchased the new Google Sniper 2.0 by George Brown that was released today? I am thinking about buying it, but would love to get some feedback. Is is different from the first one? Any feedback will be appreciated.

I've seen it. The blackhatters have a crack version already online. Mate sent it to me. It's the same as Version One - except for the addition of "The Empire Module". So much for his promise of giving everyone who bought version one a free upgrade for life. Not cool George.

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chuckles

15 years ago

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

I've seen it. The BlueFartters have a crack version already online. Mate sent it to me. It's the same as Version One - except for the addition of "The Empire Module". So much for his promise of giving everyone who bought version one a free upgrade for life. Not cool George.

Yes - have to agree with this - no free upgrade for those of us that have already purchased.

I don't really want the upgrade - and I might be a bit demanding of internet marketers by expecting them to keep their word.

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terrapurus 15 years ago

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

So much for his promise of giving everyone who bought version one a free upgrade for life. Not cool George.

I bought V1 and kept it (if I learn something even if it was not the central lession then I value it and keep it). However I am not looking for version 2 as version 1 became "oudated" within a month of its release.

Let me explain ....

Who here remembers what was released about a month after V1?

For those with short memories, it was the FTC guidelines.

What do the FTC guidelines sort of suggest you don't do if marketing to the US market? 'Fake' advertisements that are not marked as such.

Now what is writing an article for your site that says - I had this problem and I used product X to solve it (when in reality that did not occur)? It is basically an advertisement and is right in the gray zone. If you have happy to go blasting away until you get a warning notice, then feel free. GS might interest you. If you are concerned about the FTC, then I would read their regulations very carefully before putting GS into action.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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- afxx 15 years ago
  
  Am I losing it or did the price change from $67 this morning to $47 now???
  
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Race2Millions

15 years ago

This is not cool also

If you seen the PROOF VIDEOS on the page you will get it.

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BacklinkExcellence 15 years ago

I'm not impressed to be honest. I didn't expect to find a lot of new stuff but if you read google sniper 1 you can save your money.
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  Allow me to ruin the secret formula for you guys.
  
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  Backlink it.
  
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chuckles 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Race2Millions

This is not cool also

If you seen the PROOF VIDEOS on the page you will get it.

very well spotted - one of them shows George's "Traffic Siphon" account which was a launch he did from last year with "brand new" traffic methods. I don't think much "sniping" went on in that account!

I am on George's list but I don't buy anything - other than the first Google Sniper - and in that he left out the need for backlinks and also when using the Google Keyword tool to look for EXACT matches rather than broad like he is still showing in version 2!
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ruch1v 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Race2Millions

This is not cool also

If you seen the PROOF VIDEOS on the page you will get it.

Lol, you did the same thing as me, I was going backwards and forwards in the video to check out the CB ID. He did the same thing in another 1 of his launches, take a look here.

The other thing that annoyed me was the fact that he kept banging on about how these 1 click traffic softwares don't work, but wasn't that what his last launch traffic siphon was selling?

I really do want to like George, he's definitely a smart kid, but these slimy marketing tactics are definitely offputting
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droog 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Race2Millions

This is not cool also

If you seen the PROOF VIDEOS on the page you will get it.

Great catch.... and to think I just came here after receiving an email from George with a link to a video about why you should buy Google Sniper 2.0 even if you have Google Sniper. One of the changes he mentions is how he teaches us to sell more ethically. I guess that only applies to us and not his sales page!

The original Google Sniper was set up as a recurring fee membership site where he had all these planned monthly updates, it was updated for a couple months and then turned into a dust bin and was never updated.

These "updates" for Google Sniper 2.0 are the updates he should have posted in the original members area but ignored. Now he wants us to pay again for the updates we already paid for in the monthly fee of the original course but never got.

I had to laugh when he was talking about all these monthly updates he has planned for the new course. Been there, done that!
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ruch1v

15 years ago

Oh and the 3rd thing that annoyed me was that George claims he gets 8k visitors a month to his wedding speech site, if you check the keyword as exact match in google you'll see only 6k people search for it, if you know anything about SEO you know number 1 spot only gets about 50% of the traffic, so I don't know where he's getting the other 5k visitors from. Also, the product he's promoting is around $20 with 50% commission, so you're making less than $10 after fees. He would must have a ridiculously high conversion rate to be able to rake in $25k from that 1 site

The product is probably good, I've heard people say good things about 1.0, but stuff like this seriously damage a guys credibility, I was considering promoting this to my list, but after these kinda stunts, I'd rather not

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Chris Sorrell 15 years ago

I got it purely to get Michael Rasmussen's bonuses which are worth way more than this rather lame course are. If you're on Michael list then I'd definitely advise you to buy this course just to get Mike's bonuses as I have done. I've no interest in the guide itself but after a quick skim I've gotta say it's rather misleading.

The whole 'get to the top of google with virtually no backlinks' is almost outright lying and a lot of newbies are gonna think all they need to do to become super affiliates is write some pretty content and do good keyword research. C'mon now, google doesn't roll like that, it's not 2002 anymore where you can get on the first page with a few article links and a bit of keyword stuffing. There's some info about outsourcing etc which is a bit fluffy and then some sniper x section which isn't filled up yet.

Not too bad if you wanna know the basics about wordpress and keyword research etc but don't claim you're gonna dominate the search engines just cos your domain name is well optimized. That simply isn't true and a lot of people who buy this course are gonna find that out sooner rather than later.
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Tom B

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by ruch1v

Oh and the 3rd thing that annoyed me was that George claims he gets 8k visitors a month to his wedding speech site, if you check the keyword as exact match in google you'll see only 6k people search for it, if you know anything about SEO you know number 1 spot only gets about 50% of the traffic, so I don't know where he's getting the other 5k visitors from. Also, the product he's promoting is around $20 with 50% commission, so you're making less than $10 after fees. He would must have a ridiculously high conversion rate to be able to rake in $25k from that 1 site

The product is probably good, I've heard people say good things about 1.0, but stuff like this seriously damage a guys credibility, I was considering promoting this to my list, but after these kinda stunts, I'd rather not

Please let me know what keyword tool you're using to get that accurate of search volume.

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schnisz 15 years ago

well to be fair, in the course he goes into LSI and explains that most of his traffic for his sniper sites are not from his main keyword.
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- Ray Erdmann 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by schnisz
  
  well to be fair, in the course he goes into LSI and explains that most of his traffic for his sniper sites are not from his main keyword.
  
  And he covered that in GS1...maybe not in depth, but it was still covered, so what's new about it? Just asking...
  
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  swtp43 15 years ago
  
  I purchased it late yesterday and the price had already been cut by $20. THAT should have sent up flares but I was sold on his sales pitch and having GS1 already, I didn't stop to think. I mean, come on, a price slash in the middle of launch day! HELLO!!!!
  
  Then on top of that I bought into the Upsell Live Video Case Study ($97). GS2 for the most part is just a rehash of GS1 with very little added. I don't see how this is any better or expanded. The system and principle is the same. If you have GS1, save your money. Read it thoroughly, apply all he says in it and for clarity come here and ask. NO NEW TRICKS!
  
  I'm going to go through the Case Study Video's and hope they are worth the investment. If not impressed right off, sorry to say, I'm asking for a refund. He can add to his riches on someone else's back.
  
  I must say though, that I am hoping to learn from his video's. I have a reading deficiency and it has always been hard for me to learn by reading. I guess, by today's standards, I am what is called a visual learner. So I'm off to see the wizard (video's).
  
  I'll post again after I view the case study video's.
  
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- PleaseHelpMe 15 years ago
  
  You are correct.
  He did state that. I just read it. However, that is nothing new. My own stats make it evident that most traffic comes from longtails and variations of the main phrases. I really don't think there is an value-add in the already obvious.
  
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The Copy Nazi

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Originally Posted by yesacpow

Not to agree or disagree with you. Just stating some facts:

If you check your google analytics for your website, you will find that at times more than 50% of your traffic comes from keywords you never even think about optimizing your websites for.

So he could be right when he says that he got 8000+ visits per month but again I am not agreeing or disagreeing just stating some facts.

All the best!

And my eye goes down to your sig where you're promoting GS2 like crazy. As the swipe emails say -

It's BRAND NEW, And just about the most "ghetto" video I've ever seen...

"Brand new" - as in "recycled". Fail.

copies are VERY limited

yeah...so limited that's why the Bl-ac-k h-at mob have had the entire thing out on a crack for days. Best HURRY or you'll miss out.

you're going to want to jump on this fast. Before it's too late.

Pathetic part is I've had exactly the same email from half a dozen lazy hucksters today. They can't even be bothered spinning the swipe email to make it their own.

Then we have this tasty morsel from George to his affiliates -

This is the *best* sales letter I've ever written, the best sales funnel I've ever dreamed up... And the best product I've ever created.

...even though its just a rehash of the first one apparently.

It will be very interesting to see the stats for GS2 in a week or so. Especially in light of the stats for his co-venture with Mark Barnard - "Traffic Siphon" - well the one's I'm seeing on http://www.cbengine.com for what they're worth - 77.63% Refunds. Ouch. Let's hope CBEngine has got them wrong. Happens.

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ruch1v

15 years ago

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

It will be very interesting to see the stats for GS2 in a week or so. Especially in light of the stats for his co-venture with Mark Barnard - "Traffic Siphon" - well the one's I'm seeing on CBENGINE - Top ClickBank Marketplace Website! for what they're worth - 77.63% Refunds. Ouch. Let's hope CBEngine has got them wrong. Happens.

Cb engine tells you the refund rate? Wow I never knew that. How does it even get that data?

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John Marshall 15 years ago

Originally Posted by ruch1v

Cb engine tells you the refund rate? Wow I never knew that. How does it even get that data?

You can calculate CB refund rate here -

ClickBank Refund Rate Calculator - CbHelper Portal

Kind regards,

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- ruch1v 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Higgey
  
  You can calculate CB refund rate here -
  
  ClickBank Refund Rate Calculator - CbHelper Portal
  
  Kind regards,
  
  John
  
  Thanks for the link, definitely interesting stuff!
  
  I wonder how accurate it is though
  
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Vikram73

15 years ago

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

It will be very interesting to see the stats for GS2 in a week or so. Especially in light of the stats for his co-venture with Mark Barnard - "Traffic Siphon" - well the one's I'm seeing on CBENGINE - Top ClickBank Marketplace Website! for what they're worth - 77.63% Refunds. Ouch. Let's hope CBEngine has got them wrong. Happens.

Well, cbengine.com does get them wrong. Nobody knows the true refund rate of a CB product and there's no accurate way of guesstimating it from the outside.

It's only disclosed to me as a product owner if somebody asks for a refund or does a charge back with their credit card company (knock on wood - hasn't been a problem!).

-Vikram

ps, I have no opinion on GS1 or GS2 but am finding this thread hilarious!!

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TelegramSam 15 years ago

All these negative reviews must be false.

I just had an email from George and he said this:

"Congrats to those that made it in. The (frankly) AWESOME feedback I've gotten from you so
far is much appreciated."

So now you have the real facts!
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  Hey All,
  
  I to asked for a refund for the 2nd time in my life.I filed a support ticket first thing this morning and still have not heard back yet.I purchased GS 2.0 yesterday at 10:20AM eastern time went through it all day yesterday and compared it to GS 1.0 And was extremely disappointed especially after paying $67.00 I'll let you know how the refund process goes and if George honors his 100% no questions money back guarantee.
  
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ruch1v

15 years ago

Originally Posted by yesacpow

Not to agree or disagree with you. Just stating some facts:

If you check your google analytics for your website, you will find that at times more than 50% of your traffic comes from keywords you never even think about optimizing your websites for.

So he could be right when he says that he got 8000+ visits per month but again I am not agreeing or disagreeing just stating some facts.

All the best!

True, and as another poster mentioned, there's a good chance alot of the traffic is coming from the LSI keywords too, but I don't think it would account for that much of a difference.

Also the point of that post was not that I don't believe that site gets 8k visitors, but that I don't see how he could make $25k from a product that pays around $8 in commission

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

I bought the course AND i promoted it as an affiliate...

I didn't use any swipe emails

I'll tell you just like I told everyone else...you're not going to find any ground breaking or earth shattering information...Just like you didn't in the first one.

THE PROCESS IS SIMPLE.

The only reason you should buy this course is if you want a simple process to follow and are willing to put some other things aside to give it a shot.

The original course made people a TON of money as evident by the countless threads around the internet from people talking about the sites that they had ranked, and the money they made from their sniper sites.

Because of some things that have changed with GOOGLE the original course doesn't really work as is anymore, which many snipers will tell you...

SINGLE PAGE SITES
FOCUSING ON ONE KEYWORD
ETC

The updated course goes into how to build the sites structure wise, and how to use main keywords with supporting keywords to make it all work.

GOOD KEYWORD RESEARCH
GOOD DOMAIN NAMES
PRE SELL CONTENT

Is ALL Google Sniper has ever been about...with the changes in the search engines, it just has to be done differently now.

I decided to promote the site based on the success that people had with the first site, and the fact that I have first hand success doing things the "new way"...but, I have been and will continue to be upfront with what the course is and isn't in my promotions.

I'm not defending the course OR picking sides because IT IS WHAT IT IS...

If people are promoting the course likes it's some big secret being revealed or some super duper brand spanking new method that has never been seen before, they are doing their subscribers a disservice.

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schnisz

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

I bought the course AND i promoted it as an affiliate...

I didn't use any swipe emails

I'll tell you just like I told everyone else...you're not going to find any ground breaking or earth shattering information...Just like you didn't in the first one.

THE PROCESS IS SIMPLE.

The only reason you should buy this course is if you want a simple process to follow and are willing to put some other things aside to give it a shot.

The original course made people a TON of money as evident by the countless threads around the internet from people talking about the sites that they had ranked, and the money they made from their sniper sites.

Because of some things that have changed with GOOGLE the original course doesn't really work as is anymore, which many snipers will tell you...

SINGLE PAGE SITES
FOCUSING ON ONE KEYWORD
ETC

The updated course goes into how to build the sites structure wise, and how to use main keywords with supporting keywords to make it all work.

GOOD KEYWORD RESEARCH
GOOD DOMAIN NAMES
PRE SELL CONTENT

Is ALL Google Sniper has ever been about...with the changes in the search engines, it just has to be done differently now.

I decided to promote the site based on the success that people had with the first site, and the fact that I have first hand success doing things the "new way"...but, I have been and will continue to be upfront with what the course is and isn't in my promotions.

I'm not defending the course OR picking sides because IT IS WHAT IT IS...

If people are promoting the course likes it's some big secret being revealed or some super duper brand spanking new method that has never been seen before, they are doing their subscribers a disservice.

Being that I never got version one I figured what the hell. When will your videos start Jeremy?

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Race2Millions

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

I bought the course AND i promoted it as an affiliate...

I didn't use any swipe emails

I'll tell you just like I told everyone else...you're not going to find any ground breaking or earth shattering information...Just like you didn't in the first one.

THE PROCESS IS SIMPLE.

The only reason you should buy this course is if you want a simple process to follow and are willing to put some other things aside to give it a shot.

The original course made people a TON of money as evident by the countless threads around the internet from people talking about the sites that they had ranked, and the money they made from their sniper sites.

Because of some things that have changed with GOOGLE the original course doesn't really work as is anymore, which many snipers will tell you...

SINGLE PAGE SITES
FOCUSING ON ONE KEYWORD
ETC

The updated course goes into how to build the sites structure wise, and how to use main keywords with supporting keywords to make it all work.

GOOD KEYWORD RESEARCH
GOOD DOMAIN NAMES
PRE SELL CONTENT

Is ALL Google Sniper has ever been about...with the changes in the search engines, it just has to be done differently now.

I decided to promote the site based on the success that people had with the first site, and the fact that I have first hand success doing things the "new way"...but, I have been and will continue to be upfront with what the course is and isn't in my promotions.

I'm not defending the course OR picking sides because IT IS WHAT IT IS...

If people are promoting the course likes it's some big secret being revealed or some super duper brand spanking new method that has never been seen before, they are doing their subscribers a disservice.

The GSniper system itself is a pretty good system and if you apply yourself to the system you will make money thats fact.

The only problem I have is why lie about how much money your making with your system. Just be honest.

In the sales page he is also making it seems like making money with his system is stupid easy and will require little work.

This is bull to make the kind of income he is showing on his sales page is going to require WORK. Its gonna require persistence. Its gonna require a mindset that most people do not possess to make it happen.

To me this is unacceptable
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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Seth Stewart

I also got "Stop Everything - You Need To Get This NOW!" from those I've always respected, like Jeremy Kelsall and Russell Brunson. Did they truly check out and compare this course to GS1, or was it just "The heck with 'rehash' or true disclosure, gotta git some o' Georgey Porgy's puddin' and pie"

Honestly guys, be careful what you choose to represent, how much you check it out first, and how loudly you promote it, or you may find yourself demoted from the level of a respected "guru" to what so many promoters really are..."screw-u's"

Seth

Seth,

First of all - YOU need to correct your post, because you didn't get ANYTHING like that from ME - NOT EVEN CLOSE.

The review on my blog and in ANY email I've sent pretty much say what I've written above...

There are no secrets blah blah blah - Just a workable process.

And if you'll lump me in like that when I've gone out of my ****ing way to make sure that my promotion is WAY ABOVE BOARD...I don't want you as a customer AT ALL let alone someone that purchases through an affiliate link of mine.

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

This was my last promo email Seth:

Hello Everyone,

I'm sending this now so I don't get lumped in with the gazillion
emails that you are going to get in about an hour or so...

Google Sniper 2 launches this afternoon at NOON TIME EST, but if you
want to get in 2 hours early, you can go here and enter your
email address to get the "early bird link" which will get you in at
10AM.

<link removed>

OK...so, I wanted to make a couple of things clear, and to give a
reminder about our bonus...

We are promoting this course on the strength of the original course.
There are literally tons of folks out there that credit "sniping" as
the reason that they were able to quit their jobs and make a full
time income online.

...but, here's the thing...

The actual PROCESS IS SIMPLE...meaning, that there are no big SECRETS
or anything like that, so I don't think that this is going to be a
case of you reading the product and being like "OMGZ, I DIDN'T KNOW
ABOUT THAT!"...

I think it will be more of a case where you benefit from having his
keyword guidelines, the structure of his sites, and instruction on
how he is doing his pre-sell...Plus, having a step by step that says
"do this" now "do that" then "do this" etc will be a big benefit for
many

The bonus that we are offering for many is a CASE STUDY.

More or less, I'm going to buy the product just like you are, and
then I am going to film myself going through all of the steps so
we can all see what's what together, and make any corrections that
need to be made...so, basically your getting 2 products for the price
of one.

The bottom line is this...

Buy this product because you want the step by step plan, and because
you want to see HOW HE DOES IT...not because you think there is some
big shocking revelation in the pdf or videos, OK?

Here's the link again:

<link removed>

Don and Jeremy

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Race2Millions

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

This was my last promo email Seth:

Hello Everyone,

I'm sending this now so I don't get lumped in with the gazillion
emails that you are going to get in about an hour or so...

Google Sniper 2 launches this afternoon at NOON TIME EST, but if you
want to get in 2 hours early, you can go here and enter your
email address to get the "early bird link" which will get you in at
10AM.

<link removed>

OK...so, I wanted to make a couple of things clear, and to give a
reminder about our bonus...

We are promoting this course on the strength of the original course.
There are literally tons of folks out there that credit "sniping" as
the reason that they were able to quit their jobs and make a full
time income online.

...but, here's the thing...

The actual PROCESS IS SIMPLE...meaning, that there are no big SECRETS
or anything like that, so I don't think that this is going to be a
case of you reading the product and being like "OMGZ, I DIDN'T KNOW
ABOUT THAT!"...

I think it will be more of a case where you benefit from having his
keyword guidelines, the structure of his sites, and instruction on
how he is doing his pre-sell...Plus, having a step by step that says
"do this" now "do that" then "do this" etc will be a big benefit for
many

The bonus that we are offering for many is a CASE STUDY.

More or less, I'm going to buy the product just like you are, and
then I am going to film myself going through all of the steps so
we can all see what's what together, and make any corrections that
need to be made...so, basically your getting 2 products for the price
of one.

The bottom line is this...

Buy this product because you want the step by step plan, and because
you want to see HOW HE DOES IT...not because you think there is some
big shocking revelation in the pdf or videos, OK?

Here's the link again:

<link removed>

Don and Jeremy

This what makes you different from most marketers. You do actual case studies that shows the keywords the websites everything. You even show your failures.

Try to get that out of some of these marketers.

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Seth Stewart

15 years ago

Jeremy, your response feels way too defensive and overreacting, IMHO

. If you feel you have to publish those long posts of proof that you did the right thing with this promotion, you gotta wonder why and whether it's worth it.

For what it's worth, your emails were less hyped-up and more plain & simple, and that's appreciated. The problem lies, not just in the torrent of hypey emails this launch generated, but, as seen in virtually all the posts above, the disappointment for so many of finding out it's the same as GS1 with a couple minor tweaks and angles.

IMHO, this shouldn't have been a new launch at all, but simply a needed and free upgrade for GS1 members, with George honestly disclosing that just a few things had to change in his approach due to some Google changes, but the bulk of it is still current & just fine. As mentioned above, George did promise lifetime upgrades for GS1...there's simply no way that this minor revision shouldn't fall into that category. But no GS1 member received any such free upgrade offer, and George chose to launch it as "new and fresh." That's what people are complaining about, and that's why I still say, respected marketers need to really think about representing a launch like this, even if they they are careful to say it's nothing new.

You must have known people would get a ton of promo emails from shouting JVers who weren't as discreet as you, and that the sheer numbers might make you get lumped in with other questionable launch promoters. That alone would have given me pause, before going for it.

We'll see how the rest of this thread goes, but right now this launch of GS2 is getting soundly rebuffed as something that should have been a non-launch, by the vast majority of posters. Maybe you could've seen that coming, maybe not, but either way, you promoted it, so you're part of the "soup."

Anyway, it's all good!...really "thou dost protest too much."

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Seth Stewart

Jeremy, your response feels way too defensive and overreacting, IMHO

. If you feel you have to publish those long posts of proof that you did the right thing with this promotion, you gotta wonder why and whether it's worth it.

Not really Seth...

You made it sound as if I jumped aboard the hype train here and was trying to deceive the people on my list....YOU MENTIONED ME BY NAME...Even though, It's clear by the review I did on my blog, and in the promo emails that I've sent that I went to great lengths to make sure people knew what to expect.

Don't try to soil my name, and expect me not to post evidence that is contrary to what you've written.

I promoted the product because I think that people that follow the plan will make money...whether the information is NEW or not makes no difference to me...Hell, between my blog and my emails, I bet you no less than 10 times that I've said it WON'T BE NEW.

I'm running an honest promotion, without hype, without lies, and without any type of pressure, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to state i was doing otherwise.

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Seth Stewart

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Not really Seth...

You made it sound as if I jumped aboard the hype train here and was trying to deceive the people on my list....YOU MENTIONED ME BY NAME...Even though, It's clear by the review I did on my blog, and in the promo emails that I've sent that I went to great lengths to make sure people knew what to expect.

Don't try to soil my name, and expect me not to post evidence that is contrary to what you've written.

I promoted the product because I think that people that follow the plan will make money...whether the information is NEW or not makes no difference to me...Hell, between my blog and my emails, I bet you no less than 10 times that I've said it WON'T BE NEW.

I'm running an honest promotion, without hype, without lies, and without any type of pressure, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to state i was doing otherwise.

OK, to set the record straight...I got 3 emails from Jeremy promoting GS2 and none of them were overhyped or promised anything super-new and different. So I was wrong to lump Jeremy in with the tons of other promos which shouted that GS2 was a "gotta have" course...and for that I humbly apologize.

I have deleted my earlier post.

I still feel that this was very questionable "new" product to launch or promote, as born out by the overwhelming number of above posts calling George out on his non-honest income disclosure, his rehash, and/or his unwillingness to keep his promise and simply make this an upgrade for 1.0 members. So I agree that Jeremy's low-key promotion helped me keep my respect for him, but I still question his, or any other highly respectable "guru's" choice, to promote this thing at all.

Perhaps the only way to heal that would be if George and JVers would have come out right from the start and stated emphatically, "If you already have GS1, you don't need this! There's a couple of important new approaches, but if your a GS 1 member, I'll post those in your forum FOR FREE."

I daresay, that would have created an entirely different set of responses on this whole thread. But that kind of full disclosure is rare in the IM JV world.

Like I said, we'll just keep watching how the reviews go here...

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Seth Stewart

OK, to set the record straight...I got 3 emails from Jeremy promoting GS2 and none of them were overhyped or promised anything super-new and different. So I was wrong to lump Jeremy in with the tons of other promos which shouted that GS2 was a "gotta have" course...and for that I humbly apologize.

I have deleted my earlier post.

I appreciate you retracting that, Seth

Originally Posted by Seth Stewart

I still feel that this was very questionable "new" product to launch or promote, as born out by the overwhelming number of above posts calling George out on his non-honest income disclosure, his rehash, and/or his unwillingness to keep his promise and simply make this an upgrade for 1.0 members. So I agree that Jeremy's low-key promotion helped me keep my respect for him, but I still question his, or any other highly respectable "guru's" choice, to promote this thing at all.

I agree with all of this. I personally don't like "fake income" claims any more than you do. If this income proof is fake, I think that's a pretty ****ty thing to do.

Originally Posted by Seth Stewart

Perhaps the only way to heal that would be if George and JVers would have come out right from the start and stated emphatically, "If you already have GS1, you don't need this! There's a couple of important new approaches, but if your a GS 1 member, I'll post those in your forum FOR FREE."

Agreed for the most part on this too. I don't personally remember what was or wasn't in the original course, so I can't honestly say how different or not different the 2 are.

IF the info is largely the same, it's kind of goofy to charge a person for the same info twice.

Originally Posted by Seth Stewart

I daresay, that would have created an entirely different set of responses on this whole thread. But that kind of full disclosure is rare in the IM JV world.

FULL DISCLOSURE was exactly what I was personally shooting for...It's not everyday that you get a promo email telling you that the info will likely be nothing new...lol...is it?

I've never promoted a "launch" and may never promote another one...In this case, knowing that the process works allowed me to in good conscience promote the product.

If Travis Sago decided to put together a paid course for Bum Marketing - I'd be the first guy in line to pay money for it. I'm not comparing the two, but the reference kind of goes hand in hand.

At the end of the day, I'm happy if the people that bought it either through my link or not make money - PERIOD. I had a good idea going into the promotion what was going to be in the course and shared those things via email and on my blog...and I was DAMN CLOSE if i do say so myself

"sniping" - good keyword research, exact match domains, and content wasn't new when the first course came out - BUT the way the info was packaged allowed a ton of folks that followed it to make some serious loot...that can't be challenged...the stories are all over the place..Hopefully the same will be true this time.

Anyway, Seth - I know that you are a long time subscriber and an even longer time CUSTOMER - all the way back to the IMBC so, it did bother me when I saw your post...especially because I did go through great lengths to be as upfront and honest as I possibly could, so I'm glad that we were able to find some common ground here.

Happy sniping y'all - It's Valentines day so I'm getting back to the wife before she hurts me

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M Thompson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

They were both extremely high. As a matter of fact, I would be willing to put my CTR and Conversion numbers up against ANYONE...and be confident that our numbers would either be better or really close.

Jeremy, do you think that it's an indication that the pricing was right rather than the product? i.e people are so fed up with high priced products that when one comes along with a lot of affiliate weight behind it they jump on it?

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

we are going to make sure that it is twice as good as was originally planned just to make sure that everyone feels 100% satisfied when it is all said and done.

Resepect... wish more people were like you......

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by M Thompson

Jeremy, do you think that it's an indication that the pricing was right rather than the product? i.e people are so fed up with high priced products that when one comes along with a lot of affiliate weight behind it they jump on it?

No, not really...

Let's face it, almost all of these ClickBank products lately that are selling at $37 and $47 are crushing it, because PEOPLE BELIEVE IN THE DREAM. Almost every launch I've seen, unless it was a "syndicate" launch has been on the lower end of the pricing scale for the last 6 months or so.

Even the products that are OBVIOUS SCAMS do well because people BELIEVE IN THE DREAM...

Google sniper 2 was/is really no different. Thousands and thousands of people were/are going to buy it just because of the potential that the information has...whether it is new or old matters not.

Hell, once we get our members area for the bonus set up, I'm going to give everyone a product that I created 6 months ago that pretty much is a low budget version of GS2...Which is why I decided to promote...because I KNOW it works. In my initial review which was done about 3 weeks ago, I had a section where I wrote what I thought would different between GS1 and GS2 based on the changes I've seen in the Search engines... AND I WAS 100% RIGHT...I'm psychic like that

Originally Posted by M Thompson

Resepect... wish more people were like you......

I appreciate that. Like I said earlier, I went through some great lengths to make sure my promotion was WAY ABOVE BOARD...but, even doing that, it wasn't enough to stop some from taking a couple of shots...cost of doing business I guess

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Ross Kenny

15 years ago

I'm not saying it's right George launching a Version 2 but this is his buisness plan....

You all need to Stop Dreaming and Start working. It's a plan that works.

It's simple and actionable.

Follow it if you don't already have a plan and TWEEK it to suite.

What is stopping you using this forum to find better ways to implement what George is talking about in his product. It's all here free... You could have pieced Google Sniper 1 together for free. It was nothing new and plenty of people were already doing it...

TEST TEST AND TEST

As soon as you have your own step by step plan, that works then follow your own blueprint over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over AGAIN.....

Learn how to find targetted traffic and send it over to a offer that is proven to convert.... SIMPLE.....

Google Sniper is SIMPLE...... Follow it if you need a plan and customise it for yourself....

Stop looking for that secret bullet... There isn't one outside of this unless you're into the lastest.... Developing IPHONE APPS..... Go give that a try.. Next month it will be something else. Stick to the fundamentals.

Good Marketers evolve.... Follow a plan proven to work.. Implement it and disappear off the Warrior forum and do it.... Spend a number of hours testing and tweaking until you find something that works... Oh here's a secret for you -> Don't tell anyone and milk it for everything...

STOP HUNTING NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh another big secret - OUTSOURCE TO THE PHILLIPENES for $200 a month for 40hrs a week work... You can hire someone for all you SEO work, Research, Content creation, etc.....

I imagine if you add up everything you spend a month looking for the silver bullet product launches and WSO'S you easily spend this....???? I did in the begining...

Go add up everything you've spent this month.. Bet it shocks you... FOOD FOR THOUGHT HEY...

I only buy services nowadays when I'm in the testing phase...

ANYHOW RANT OVER

Oh and if you want to be a millionaire like George here's a plan for you -

Go out and find a method that can make money online... Sell the sites you make for more revenue and then start outsourcing and building your empire...

Teach this by putting together a good product for beginners. Have a backend and go out and contact JV's that will help you promote.

Then follow something like Product Launch Formula and make some good cash... Then a year later bring out a Version 2 but actually improve it all ten fold!!!!

Oh and if you have the balls hit them with a membership site for $97 a month.....

Be sincere though and give your best... Don't rip people off and you'll do good..

Go take the ACTION

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

No, not really...

Let's face it, almost all of these ClickBank products lately that are selling at $37 and $47 are crushing it, because PEOPLE BELIEVE IN THE DREAM. Almost every launch I've seen, unless it was a "syndicate" launch has been on the lower end of the pricing scale for the last 6 months or so.

Even the products that are OBVIOUS SCAMS do well because people BELIEVE IN THE DREAM...

Google sniper 2 was/is really no different. Thousands and thousands of people were/are going to buy it just because of the potential that the information has...whether it is new or old matters not.

Hell, once we get our members area for the bonus set up, I'm going to give everyone a product that I created 6 months ago that pretty much is a low budget version of GS2...Which is why I decided to promote...because I KNOW it works. In my initial review which was done about 3 weeks ago, I had a section where I wrote what I thought would different between GS1 and GS2 based on the changes I've seen in the Search engines... AND I WAS 100% RIGHT...I'm psychic like that

I appreciate that. Like I said earlier, I went through some great lengths to make sure my promotion was WAY ABOVE BOARD...but, even doing that, it wasn't enough to stop some from taking a couple of shots...cost of doing business I guess

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JJPerkins 15 years ago

Curious why the decrease in price, any suggestions?

To me it implied low sales but just checked Clickbank and grav's soaring, so not that.

And according to an email we got today there's only ONE
single refund so far! So can't be due to that then

Still think GS1 was great, so anybody new to it should be fairly happy with GS2, if it's as similar as people here are saying!
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  And according to an email we got today there's only ONE single refund so far! So can't be due to that then
  
  Unless people on this thread are lying about buying it and asking for a refund, that can't possibly be true
  
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  mkl3377 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by ruch1v
  
  Unless people on this thread are lying about buying it and asking for a refund, that can't possibly be true
  
  I doubt there has only been 1 refund. I'm sure there are more people like me..
  
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TBInternetMarketing 15 years ago

WOW..How to lose credibility on a forum in one day! Looks like George has dropped the ball big time with this one.
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  I've asked for a refund...I felt it was way too similar to GS1 and was disappointed - clever copywriting/marketing to make you feel as you were getting changes/updates, new info.
  
  I don't post often, but wanted to post this as people were questioning refunds. This is probably the first time I have ever requested a refund...in fact, I had to figure out HOW to do it, so you can see that I'm not one to buy and ask for refunds.
  
  New to IM - it can be helpful, but if you've seen GS1, you've seen GS2 in my perspective.
  
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Seth,

First of all - YOU need to correct your post, because you didn't get ANYTHING like that from ME - NOT EVEN CLOSE.

The review on my blog and in ANY email I've sent pretty much say what I've written above...

There are no secrets blah blah blah - Just a workable process.

And if you'll lump me in like that when I've gone out of my ****ing way to make sure that my promotion is WAY ABOVE BOARD...I don't want you as a customer AT ALL let alone someone that purchases through an affiliate link of mine.

I received Jeremy's email, and I have to say - I was impressed. Enough so that it I plan to use it as a model for my own future promotions.

It was very clear, did not over-hype anything, and offered real value in return for buying through his link. As is usually the case with the things I've seen from him, it was a straight-forward "pros & cons" argument, exactly what I would hope for from someone who actually held his list's interest above that of the 'next sale'. Anyone who values their relationship with their subscribers should take note of that email.

GS2 isn't for me, for many reasons, some of which were stated here. But what could be better than: "Here's the product, here's why I'm promoting it, and here's the good AND the bad". The only thing I could think of would be "and here's how I'll help you take advantage of it", and that was the gist of the promotion.

Kudo's to Jeremy.

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15 years ago

I am personally promoting George's Google Sniper 2 because:

1) I learned a lot from GS1 and credit it with getting me very much back into the SEO game/mindset after being out of it for a few years.

2) I've personally used his sniper methodology (and added a few tweaks) to get LOTS of sites ranking and each making a few hundred bucks a month.

3) I know George personally, and think he is a stand-up guy, who cares about customers and delivering value.

I haven't gotten to review GS2 (actually asked his aff manager for a copy and he never got it to me!), but in my opinion, if GS2 is anything like GS1, I think its a good buy at $67 or $47 or whatever.

I can't say what the differences in the two are, and I also haven't seen Traffic Ultimatum or Siphon, but if you haven't gotten GS1, it seems like a no brainer to get GS2. Whether or not GS2 is a lot better than GS1, I have no idea.

All I know is I've learned a lot from George's stuff and I've done 8 figures online, so I think you could do a lot worse!

Also, I'm providing a bonus that makes buying a no-brainer too, so even if GS2 was terrible, which I highly doubt, my subscribers won't be upset in any way.

His product is also sold through Clickbank, so getting a refund is a breeze if you're unhappy in any way.

Keep in mind, when you get a big name like George has, and have so much success, its very tempting for naysayers to get on a forum and dump on you, and scrutinize your every move.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by KellyFelix

I am personally promoting George's Google Sniper 2 because:

I haven't gotten to review GS2 (actually asked his aff manager for a copy and he never got it to me!), but in my opinion, if GS2 is anything like GS1, I think its a good buy at $67 or $47 or whatever.

I can't say what the differences in the two are, and I also haven't seen Traffic Ultimatum or Siphon, but if you haven't gotten GS1, it seems like a no brainer to get GS2. Whether or not GS2 is a lot better than GS1, I have no idea.

All I can say is unbelieveable, and this is why we subscribe to gurus lists for their valuable insight and due diligence before recommeding a product! LOL

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15 years ago

I think bonus packages like Jeremy's where they purchase the product they are an affiliate for and then show you exactly how they would use it to make a profit is a great benefit. I am less than thrilled with the idea of giving away a product for free as a bonus, that your existing customers just paid full price for, does not seem fair to them.

You give away YOUR product for free if a customer buys a COMPETITOR's product??? Even when your product is superior and much more detailed (Bring The Fresh vs Google Sniper 2)??? "Buy this inferior product that is the same concept (small sites using keyword in domain name) as our superior product and get our superior product for free, even though customers we convinced to purchase our product paid in full".

I am bringing this up just for discussion. The BTF guys are very successful and I enjoy their videos / material very much.

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Originally Posted by curtroese

I think bonus packages like Jeremy's where they purchase the product they are an affiliate for and then show you exactly how they would use it to make a profit is a great benefit. I am less than thrilled with the idea of giving away a product for free as a bonus, that your existing customers just paid full price for, does not seem fair to them.

You give away YOUR product for free if a customer buys a COMPETITOR's product??? Even when your product is superior and much more detailed (Bring The Fresh vs Google Sniper 2)??? "Buy this inferior product that is the same concept (small sites using keyword in domain name) as our superior product and get our superior product for free, even though customers we convinced to purchase our product paid in full".

I am bringing this up just for discussion. The BTF guys are very successful and I enjoy their videos / material very much.

Not forgetting that your product then becomes associated with a product that's using False Earnings Screenshots and other questionable tactics.

Amazing to me how many I.M.ers think this normal practice and quite acceptable. I just got off Skype to a well-known so-called "Guru" and his comment was -

if you havent figured out that all marketers lie blind through their teeth, then you got some learning to do!

In other words - he does it too. He just hasn't been caught out like Montagu Brown has been.

This is the problem with this business. A big problem. Too many unethical people in it. With the mind-set "Take the money and run". And they are doing us all a disservice. Don't you see that? Reminds me of the Egyptian people who put up with that scoundrel Mubarek all those years. Years where he tortured his people and ripped them off for billions ...until one day the brave young people said "Enough is Enough!" (cost 300 of them their lives too)

This is shameful practice and you guys that are affiliates of GB are in effect colluding in this "sharp practice". But there you all are staying silent and counting your commissions. And justifying your collusion by saying how great your bonuses are.

Remember: "Those that fly with the crows get shot like the crows".

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by curtroese

I am less than thrilled with the idea of giving away a product for free as a bonus, that your existing customers just paid full price for, does not seem fair to them.

I am bringing this up just for discussion. The BTF guys are very successful and I enjoy their videos / material very much.

I did wonder about that too.

I am one of those buying GS2 and the other product needed just to get the BTF bonus.
If I had bought into the BTF full membership just last month as I had been considering I think I might be a bit peeved now!

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15 years ago

Here is an interesting post by Joel Comm sort of on topic.

Standards for Ethical Internet Marketing

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Originally Posted by curtroese

Here is an interesting post by Joel Comm sort of on topic.

Standards for Ethical Internet Marketing

See - even Joel Comm is saying it. Enough is enough of this BS. Let me just comment on two of his list.

11) Cross-promotions and backscratching
I regularly receive emails from marketers inviting me to promote their product. Invariably, I am promised a promotion from them in return. I don't even reply to these invitations any more. If you approach me in this way, your message is instantly deleted. I want to work with others based on the value they bring and not because we each have a list that we can use to make money off each other. I can't even begin to count how much money I have left on the table by being protective of those on my list. That doesn't mean I won't consider endorsing another product. It just means I am more interested in the value of your product than being asked to promote so that you will promote me. It's an extremely shallow and short-sighted approach.
12) Encouraging affiliates to use bonuses as incentives
Few strategies have spoiled the affiliate marketing world more than marketers who encourage others to give away their products for free in order to sell more through an affiliate link. There's nothing wrong with sales contests and prizes to incentivize sales, but I think there's a real problem with those who give away their high-dollar products in order to sell more of other's products. If I value a product at $1000 and then use it as a bonus a few months later, I am devaluing my product and cheapening the entire marketplace. I've seen marketers put together shameful bonus packages. I can only imagine how their customers who paid full price for those product must feel to see the product devalued so much. I won't participate any more in any product launch where affiliates are allowed and/or encouraged to provide bonuses.

The first - cross-promotions - is well out of hand. Its like a Masonic Lodge of internet marketing - minus the secret handshake - "Hey man, you promote my crap product to your list and I'll promote yours".

And the second just validates what I said above - "...but I think there's a real problem with those who give away their high-dollar products in order to sell more of other's products. If I value a product at $1000 and then use it as a bonus a few months later, I am devaluing my product and cheapening the entire marketplace. "

Meanwhile , back at the ranch, Warrior and ex-Rich Jerk, Kelly Felix is the #1 affiliate for this GS2.0 launch with Warrior Jeremy Kelsall in #6 spot. If you wondered why they came on here to comment.

Here's the link to Joel "The Next Internet Millionaire" Comm's post on Internet Marketing (lack of) ethics again - Standards for Ethical Internet Marketing

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

Meanwhile , back at the ranch, Warrior and ex-Rich Jerk, Kelly Felix is the #1 affiliate for this GS2.0 launch with Warrior Jeremy Kelsall in #6 spot. If you wondered why they came on here to comment.

I came here to comment because I was mentioned by name.

My promotion of this product was completely above board, and I would appreciate it if you would STFU (about me) unless you can prove otherwise.

I told my list WHAT WAS GOING TO BE IN THE PRODUCT A MONTH BEFORE IT LAUNCHED.

I told my list THAT THERE WOULD BE NO GROUND BREAKING INFORMATION but that the process would be a good one to follow.

I didn't use a single swipe email

You won't find one ounce of hype, scarcity, or a single lie in any email that I've sent - PERIOD.

If people want to buy it and go through the bonus with us - GREAT...If not..WTF do I care?

You're entitled to think whatever you want, but when you express those thoughts and try to include me in some sort of weird conspiracy theory, I've got to say something.

Do you have any idea how much money we could have made over the last 2 years by jumping on ever launch that comes out? A TON...

But, we don't do it because 99% of the products are TRASH and we would never suggest that any subscriber of ours buy them...Hell, I think we give the harshest reviews you will find on the net except for the ones you get from a certain robot...

We promoted GS2 completely ethically, completely transparently, and completely above board....There is no way that we are going to apologize for doing something that the majority of others don't.

The worst part is more than ONE of the people in this thread talking **** are people who have emails in my inbox right now, support tickets in my help desk right now, and PM's in my inbox right now asking me to PROMOTE THEIR PRODUCTS...Consider this your answer - **** OFF.

Sometimes I hate this niche...

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The Copy Nazi

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

I came here to comment because I was mentioned by name.

My promotion of this product was completely above board, and I would appreciate it if you would STFU (about me) unless you can prove otherwise.

I told my list WHAT WAS GOING TO BE IN THE PRODUCT A MONTH BEFORE IT LAUNCHED.

I told my list THAT THERE WOULD BE NO GROUND BREAKING INFORMATION but that the process would be a good one to follow.

I didn't use a single swipe email

You won't find one ounce of hype, scarcity, or a single lie in any email that I've sent - PERIOD.

If people want to buy it and go through the bonus with us - GREAT...If not..WTF do I care?

You're entitled to think whatever you want, but when you express those thoughts and try to include me in some sort of weird conspiracy theory, I've got to say something.

Do you have any idea how much money we could have made over the last 2 years by jumping on ever launch that comes out? A TON...

But, we don't do it because 99% of the products are TRASH and we would never suggest that any subscriber of ours buy them...Hell, I think we give the harshest reviews you will find on the net except for the ones you get from a certain robot...

We promoted GS2 completely ethically, completely transparently, and completely above board....There is no way that we are going to apologize for doing something that the majority of others don't.

The worst part is more than ONE of the people in this thread talking **** are people who have emails in my inbox right now, support tickets in my help desk right now, and PM's in my inbox right now asking me to PROMOTE THEIR PRODUCTS...Consider this your answer - **** OFF.

Sometimes I hate this niche...

What? You're being hysterical. And way off-base. "Weird Conspiracy theory"? Huh? Calm down. Take a breath of fresh air. No-one's accusing you of anything. I was simply pointing out - subtly I thought, that it was in your interest to comment because you were #6 on the leaderboard and obviously every sale you make pushes you higher. Your post is offensive. But I'll let it slide. Maybe you've had a bad day.

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

What? You're being hysterical. And way off-base. "Weird Conspiracy theory"? Huh? Calm down. Take a breath of fresh air. No-one's accusing you of anything. I was simply pointing out - subtly I thought, that it was in your interest to comment because you were #6 on the leaderboard and obviously every sale you make pushes you higher. Your post is offensive. But I'll let it slide. Maybe you've had a bad day.

Maybe I'm just being overly sensitive...but, I gotta be honest and tell you that I'm tired of seeing my name lumped in with posts about how wrong this launch went and how unethical some of the promotion was.

I showed up in this thread only after someone mentioned me by name saying I was trying to rip people off etc etc etc

If my name was never mentioned, I would never have entered this thread once, and even though I've been in the thread, I'm not defending George, the product, the price or anything else - I'm simply defending the way I PERSONALLY PROMOTED IT.

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The Copy Nazi

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Maybe I'm just being overly sensitive...but, I gotta be honest and tell you that I'm tired of seeing my name lumped in with posts about how wrong this launch went and how unethical some of the promotion was.

I showed up in this thread only after someone mentioned me by name saying I was trying to rip people off etc etc etc

If my name was never mentioned, I would never have entered this thread once, and even though I've been in the thread, I'm not defending George, the product, the price or anything else - I'm simply defending the way I PERSONALLY PROMOTED IT.

I think you're confusing me with Seth Stewart. I just went back and checked. You had a long dogfight with him - not me. So chill out will you. I don't have an issue with you. But I will if you keep abusing me like that.

Update: although I did say

This is shameful practice and you guys that are affiliates of GB are in effect colluding in this "sharp practice". But there you all are staying silent and counting your commissions. And justifying your collusion by saying how great your bonuses are.

But you haven't "stayed silent" and its obvious you don't agree with his practices.

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Jeremy Kelsall 15 years ago

Malcolm,

You were "trying" to suggest with the part I quoted that I was somehow here in this thread trying to "drum up" sales - Which isn't true.

BUT

You mentioned that after your long rant about how ****ty a deal the whole thing is, and mentioned me by name...surely you can see how some would comprehend that?

All I'm saying is - I don't want to be "lumped" in with anyone else or to be judged by what OTHER people are doing and HOW they are doing it...Even at the risk of NOT SELLING AS MANY AS WE COULD we made sure that our promotion was 100% ethical and right.

If you or anyone else wants to talk to me about anything specific, I'm open to the conversation - I just don't want to be lumped in when it's obvious that we went against the grain with the way we promoted this product.
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DavidMaddux

15 years ago

Why does Jeremy Kelsall keep getting lumped in with the "Unethical Guru" crowd? Does anyone have one shred of evidence to support this claim?

He is 100% honest and transparent. If you notice, nearly all of their IM products are case studies of him and Don ACTUALLY carrying out their methods in real time.

If something stinks, he lets you know up front. If it works, he doesn't try to convince you it works - he shows you.

Where is the logic behind attempting to slander Jeremy's reputation in order to discourage someone from buying Google Sniper 2? Or for any other reason?

I see why he hates this niche sometimes...

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Sometimes I hate this niche...

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JJPerkins

15 years ago

Originally Posted by curtroese

I just think the bonus concept certainly deserves some discussion. Here is one way to look at it:

Scenerio #1 -

Your loyal customer buys YOUR product $100

Scenerio #2 -

Commission on selling COMPETITOR #1 $ 50

Commission on selling COMPETITOR #2 $ 50

COMPETITOR #1 #2 customer gets YOUR product for -0-

So, what does YOUR customer think of what just happened??????????????

I would have thought in the main they may well not hear about it.
And if they do then hopefully they will feel like profitsforall

Originally Posted by profitsforall

I bought BTF and upgraded to the membership a couple of days before Kelly's email. I was initially annoyed that others would get access to BTF for less than I did - but I've since realised I shouldn't concern myself with how others are benefitting and concentrate on what benefits me.

I like to think that if I had bought into BTF last month, then heard about this offer I would manage to think the same way

After all, if you are making more money and getting your value from a product you bought, does it matter that other people may have bought it at a different price?
Some people will spend thousands and never take action, some get great value from a $47 ebook.

Personally I think that there's a lot more unethical stuff to worry about in IM than bonus offers!

Originally Posted by PaulMark

So.... I went and bought the product just to see what all the crying and TT-ing is about.

It's a pretty solid approach. Will you get the same results? Little chance. But could you make a few thousand a month with it from a bit of effort and some minor tweaks? Heck, yeah. It's a clean process.

It's a 4 out of 5 on approach, actionability and possible profits. It's way easier than most make money systems.

Exactly, GS1 was one of the two products that got us going, and it's still working for us now, with some tweaks.
If anyone wants a simple, very workable plan then this is a good one, all the hype, touched up sales figures and re-hash annoyances aside.

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Ross Kenny

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

My promotion of this product was completely above board.

I told my list WHAT WAS GOING TO BE IN THE PRODUCT A MONTH BEFORE IT LAUNCHED.

I told my list THAT THERE WOULD BE NO GROUND BREAKING INFORMATION but that the process would be a good one to follow.

I didn't use a single swipe email

You won't find one ounce of hype, scarcity, or a single lie in any email that I've sent - PERIOD.

If people want to buy it and go through the bonus with us - GREAT...If not..WTF do I care?

You're entitled to think whatever you want, but when you express those thoughts and try to include me in some sort of weird conspiracy theory, I've got to say something.

I 100% back up up on this one Jeremy. You did tell the absolute truth from the beginning as I'm on your list. Unfortunatly it back fired on you. I see why you don't promote stuff regulary!!!!

Most of us know your a good guy... A little hot headed at times but at least you tell it how it is.... Kudos

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profitsforall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by JJPerkins

I did wonder about that too.

I am one of those buying GS2 and the other product needed just to get the BTF bonus.
If I had bought into the BTF full membership just last month as I had been considering I think I might be a bit peeved now!

With regard to BTF - You actually have to buy 2 products, one from george one from another vendor to get the bonuses.

I bought BTF and upgraded to the membership a couple of days before Kelly's email. I was initially annoyed that others would get access to BTF for less than I did - but I've since realised I shouldn't concern myself with how others are benefitting and concentrate on what benefits me.

Now I will probably buy both products - because doing so will save me far more than I will pay for the membership in the next few months.

I never got GS1 - but I'll read GS2 and pick out what new information i can. If there isn't anything of value then I've not lost anything, if there is then that's even better.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by ruch1v

Oh and the 3rd thing that annoyed me was that George claims he gets 8k visitors a month to his wedding speech site, if you check the keyword as exact match in google you'll see only 6k people search for it, if you know anything about SEO you know number 1 spot only gets about 50% of the traffic, so I don't know where he's getting the other 5k visitors from. Also, the product he's promoting is around $20 with 50% commission, so you're making less than $10 after fees. He would must have a ridiculously high conversion rate to be able to rake in $25k from that 1 site

The product is probably good, I've heard people say good things about 1.0, but stuff like this seriously damage a guys credibility, I was considering promoting this to my list, but after these kinda stunts, I'd rather not

I have a site in that niche that is top 5 and #1 for the main keywords, my best month was in summer and got about 5k visitors, not a single conversion that month though.

Cary from Adsense Recipe just sold one in the same niche in Flippa where he had 10k visitors a month and said he only got about 2-3 conversions a month.

Think George is just making figures up.

Just watched the vid, notice how there are no adwords ads for that term, might tell you something about what a great buying phrase that is

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jasondinner

15 years ago

Originally Posted by medway

I have a site in that niche that is top 5 and #1 for the main keywords, my best month was in summer and got about 5k visitors, not a single conversion that month though.

Cary from Adsense Recipe just sold one in the same niche in Flippa where he had 10k visitors a month and said he only got about 2-3 conversions a month.

Think George is just making figures up.

Just watched the vid, notice how there are no adwords ads for that term, might tell you something about what a great buying phrase that is

While I can't speak for George and his income claims, I can tell you that the method of...

1. Buying strategically selected keyword rich domain names

2. Putting relevant content on the sites without any lying or fake stories (most times on a wordpress blog)

3. Getting the site ranked

4. Getting a % of the organic search traffic that results from ranking on the first and/or
second page of Google

...does work and just resulted in me getting $1200 in commissions just paypal-ed to me
from only ONE of these types of sites with around 100 unique visitors.

Had I not been so lazy, I probably could have gotten paid closer to $5K-$7500 for this one site.

Another site I have is for such a hyper targeted sub niche and one person has come back twice to buy over
$1600 worth of stuff from this little site I have. Too bad this particular affiliate program only pays 10%.

But who cares? It's free money. Now imagine you had 20, 30, 50 or even 100 sites like this?

Like Jeremy said, it's nothing new. It's been around longer than many of us have been
marketing online and there's no sign of it going away any time soon.

It just takes a lot of persistence and determination. (Sorry... no ZERO Click software - lol)

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M Thompson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jasondinner

While I can't speak for George and his income claims, I can tell you that the method of...

1. Buying strategically selected keyword rich domain names

2. Putting relevant content on the sites without any lying or fake stories (most times on a wordpress blog)

3. Getting the site ranked

4. Getting a % of the organic search traffic that results from ranking on the first and/or
second page of Google

...does work and just resulted in me getting $1200 in commissions just paypal-ed to me
from only ONE of these types of sites with around 100 unique visitors.

Had I not been so lazy, I probably could have gotten paid closer to $5K-$7500 for this one site.

Another site I have is for such a hyper targeted sub niche and one person has come back twice to buy over
$1600 worth of stuff from this little site I have. Too bad this particular affiliate program only pays 10%.

But who cares? It's free money. Now imagine you had 20, 30, 50 or even 100 sites like this?

Like Jeremy said, it's nothing new. It's been around longer than many of us have been
marketing online and there's no sign of it going away any time soon.

It just takes a lot of persistence and determination. (Sorry... no ZERO Click software - lol)

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Jason,

I think we all appreciate that it works, I've been teaching this method since I began (when george was still at school or driving his removal van) and I can vouch for it. What i think people are objecting to is the need for a 2nd course that adds just 1 new module and nothing else new, also the slightly shady tactics in the video.

And now that the people who supported him by buying early have been crapped on. which is a pity because he should be applauded for sticking to a low pricing model and not trying for a $997 course

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jasondinner

15 years ago

Originally Posted by M Thompson

Jason,

I think we all appreciate that it works, I've been teaching this method since I began (when george was still at school or driving his removal van) and I can vouch for it. What i think people are objecting to is the need for a 2nd course that adds just 1 new module and nothing else new, also the slightly shady tactics in the video.

And now that the people who supported him by buying early have been crapped on. which is a pity because he should be applauded for sticking to a low pricing model and not trying for a $997 course

I know, I was just providing some perspective on that one person's post so it didn't stir any doubt on the actual strategy being showcased in George's product.

Not everyone reading this thread knows about it so if they actually read through
and see a few people who have no financial ties with George say that bum marketing...
I mean sniping... i mean Profit Instruments sites can make you money, it will help
them in some way.

The other posts in here can help them make a buying decision.

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TheCashWhisperer

15 years ago

I don't know George, nor am I familiar with this particular product, but 8,000 visitors a month seems realistic IF you include the other major search engines. I know I have a tendency to focus on just the Big G (and not pay a whole lot of attention to Bing and Yahoo/MSN). They are like the Rodney Dangerfield of search engines - they get no respect!

Seems like we've all been brainwashed in that respect, don't you think?

Regards,

TCW

Originally Posted by ruch1v

Oh and the 3rd thing that annoyed me was that George claims he gets 8k visitors a month to his wedding speech site, if you check the keyword as exact match in google you'll see only 6k people search for it, if you know anything about SEO you know number 1 spot only gets about 50% of the traffic, so I don't know where he's getting the other 5k visitors from. Also, the product he's promoting is around $20 with 50% commission, so you're making less than $10 after fees. He would must have a ridiculously high conversion rate to be able to rake in $25k from that 1 site

The product is probably good, I've heard people say good things about 1.0, but stuff like this seriously damage a guys credibility, I was considering promoting this to my list, but after these kinda stunts, I'd rather not

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musiclyons

15 years ago

Thanks Everyone for all of your feedback. To be honest, I am truely disappointed in what I am reading. I thought this was going to be a totally updated version of Google Sniper 1. Thanks to everyone.

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AndrewStark

15 years ago

I've been getting all the JV emails, and even the way George is talking to potential partners is very off putting. The copy & paste e-mails are some of the most hyped up rubbish I've seen in a long time.

Being fair to George I've seen a few well know people promoting who have actually tried the course and had results. They seem to promoting because they have met George in person and think he is the real deal.

Based on the feedback here I think he needs to grow up and learn about customer service. Also the salespage seems to be the same as most of his other products, selling the dream of going from a part time man with van to millionaire.

Ultimately the reviews here mean I'm glad that I chose not to promote it to my list.

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intelinside

15 years ago

Just watched it and highly disappointed. Nothing new.

It is for newbie who is only week into IM.

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coco28 15 years ago

I bought it, its pretty much a rehashed (and some parts not even rehashed) google sniper 1.

I never ask for refunds, this will only be the second time ever. GS1 was very good, but I refuse to pay again for what is essentially the same product.
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Chucky

15 years ago

Here is my take on basically any IM product launch.

As Jeremy says, there probably won't be anything earth shattering in any of them; but if a newbie picks up any one of them and is ready to put long hours in to it, he/she is bound to find success.

But if he or she does nothing more than read them, complain and keep jumping from one launch to the next, every product he/she buys is a SCAM.

I haven't bought it nor do I intend to buy it because I hardly have time to rinse and repeat what's already working for me. However, what I will say is that if anybody that is still in the early phases of their IM education buys this and implements the principals that will be the start of a six figure business.

Regardless of what product you purchase, if you don't have the following 3 ingredients, it will not work.
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Zach Booker

15 years ago

For you guys wanting to see more accurate traffic stats (instead of guessing from the GTK) use Compete | Compete and/or Home | Quantcast.

Not sure what the url was you were talking about, but plug it in there and you'll be able to get an idea of the traffic the site is doing.

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ruch1v

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Zach Booker

For you guys wanting to see more accurate traffic stats (instead of guessing from the GTK) use Compete | Compete and/or Home | Quantcast.

Not sure what the url was you were talking about, but plug it in there and you'll be able to get an idea of the traffic the site is doing.

groomweddingspeech.org's (rank #915,049) Site Profile | Compete

I don't know how accruate these things are but it's not showing more than 2k in the past 6 months, and quantcast had no data

@Kelly - I understand what you're saying and don't doubt the tactic works, but the thing that has annoyed me more than anything (I never bought GS1, but have read enough about it to know the tactic, so the lack of update doesn't bother me) is the amount of dishonesty in the sales process.

As you say it's a good tactic, therefore it should be sold upon it's own merits no? By deliberately showing stats of your product launches and claiming you made that money through this tactic is not only unethical, but I'm pretty sure it may even be illegal (misleading info or what not, I'm not a lawyer).

If he had been honest and showed the method in the true light, I for 1 wouldn't be involved in this thread and would be promoting it to my list.

I just went back to GS1 sales page and saw he was showing numbers like $15k/month, rather different to $400k/year and that product was still able to sell well right?

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mkl3377

15 years ago

I bought it this morning and gone through almost everything but I have to say I'm sadly disappointed.

I did not buy version 1 but I now feel like I did.

I had originally gone into this thinking he would upgrade his methodologies to work better with the current google algorithms.

Two things I can't believe he left in the core manual....
1. he is still telling people to do kw research in phrase match and discount the search volume google shows because they are inflated due to the numbers including searches from google search partners. What kind of update is this???

2. Manual is still teaching to pre-sell by writing stories to connect with people and your conversions will greatly increase. Against FTC rules??? No, because he covers his *** by including "you should only write stories that are true and personal experiences that you've had"(I paraphrase).

I was thinking this would be an ok course for newbies but I think even newbies should stay away.

oh and the latest copy paste promo emails I've been getting states "$1,549.87 a DAY without ANY traffic?".. and "It requires no traffic, no investment
and absolutely NO experience."(Direct quotes).

It's near impossible to make this money (or any money at all) without traffic. And I've gone through 90% of the stuff in GS2 now and I've not seen anything yet that shows me how to make money without any traffic.

I almost want to call this product a scam.

so so sad...refund time

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PleaseHelpMe

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mkl3377

I bought it this morning and gone through almost everything but I have to say I'm sadly disappointed.

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2. Manual is still teaching to pre-sell by writing stories to connect with people and your conversions will greatly increase. Against FTC rules??? No, because he covers his *** by including "you should only write stories that are true and personal experiences that you've had"(I paraphrase).

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To clarify - not only do you have write true and personal experiences, but you also state financial ties if they exist. "The blogger is also liable if she fails to disclose clearly and conspicuously that she is being paid for her services. [See § 255.5.]"

For bedtime reading and for those who want to double check their sites: http://www.ftc.gov/os/2009/10/091005...mentguides.pdf

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Gary Pettit

15 years ago

I don't own sniper 1 so I think I'll go ahead and purchase sniper 2(minus all the upsells)...I'm sure it contains quality content and I've seen a lot of great bonuses out there. Looking forward to learning the course.

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DonDavis

15 years ago

I bought GS1 and put up several EMD sites right away, and have built several more since. None of those sites ranked well until I backlinked them. So the no backlinking is BS unless you are trying to rank for a keyword that is searched so little that it isn't really worth the effort.

I totally agree with those saying that this should have been an update to the original product. After watching the video in his launch I also checked out his traffic on compete.com and saw right away that he was blowing smoke on the wedding speech site.

Whatever...

The kid is apparently living the good life traveling the world. So enough people must buy into this crap that it makes it worth it? I myself would have a hard time getting past the fear that I might end up as somebody's cellmate/bitch/rape victim.

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kyleb

15 years ago

Originally Posted by DonDavis

I bought GS1 and put up several EMD sites right away, and have built several more since. None of those sites ranked well until I backlinked them. So the no backlinking is BS unless you are trying to rank for a keyword that is searched so little that it isn't really worth the effort.

I totally agree with those saying that this should have been an update to the original product. After watching the video in his launch I also checked out his traffic on compete.com and saw right away that he was blowing smoke on the wedding speech site.

Whatever...

The kid is apparently living the good life traveling the world. So enough people must buy into this crap that it makes it worth it? I myself would have a hard time getting past the fear that I might end up as somebody's cellmate/bitch/rape victim.

Backlinking = A huge part of the Key to success and getting ranked. Spot on Don.

And the last part about the cellmate, that is hilarious man.

Kyle Allred

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Adam Roy

15 years ago

Rant #1:

Maybe some people, as in JVs and affiliates (wont mention any names) will start looking at these products FIRST HAND before making a recommendation to their subscribers.

Me personally, I would never in a million years promote something to my subscribers if I had no idea what was inside the thing. And if I don't know what the thing is, I wouldn't send an email saying, 'hey you should go check this out but I have no idea what's inside it or whether or not you'll gain value from it'

Why not spend an hour, or $67 or whatever it is to see what this thing is all about, before promoting it with a recommendation?

The first thing I would have done, if I was interested in promoting it, is get a copy to review so I can make sure my subscribers will actually gain value from it, and appreciate the fact that I recommended it. In fact, I was thinking about promoting this thing, it came out, I checked it out, and I was GREATLY disappointed with it, therefore I did not promote it. I'm glad I didn't.

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There's no selling power stronger than an honest recommendation from a friend.

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mkl3377 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Adam Roy

Rant #1:

Rant #2:

Anybody else notice that Google Sniper 1 is STILL $77, and Google Sniper 2 is almost half that cost?

What's going on George?

Thats because GS1 content is worth more than GS2..

GS2 is not selling a product but the name GEORGE BROWN....
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paulduncan

15 years ago

I purchased the original GS. and I also purchased the latest one. I would say that 99% of the new one is no different to the old one. In my opinion this is just George trying to rake in money without providing any value to anyone who purchased the original course.

As for his upsells, they are a joke! Trying to tell me that there is a more efficient way to make GS2 work if i give him some more dough is not something he should be doing. If i buy a program i expect it to work without a super deluxe add on.

I am on this guys list, but not for long, and I will be getting a refund!

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Lemy Yusento

15 years ago

almost bought it.

thanks...

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Eugene Koh 15 years ago

I purchased google sniper 2 at the higher price $67 (price just reduced to $47) now and i say i'm quite disappointed with the content.

Honestly i wasn't expecting something mind blowing or completely new method. However what really upset me was that 95% of the content is the exact same thing as gsniper 1. The empire modules are probably the only stuff that are new.

Don't get me wrong, google sniper is a good product but i think Considering that I have purchased gsniper 1, $67 is not worth the money and I will be requesting a refund.

However if you do not own gs1 then for $47 would be a good investment for you. Just my 2 cents
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  I purchased google sniper 2 at the higher price $67 (price just reduced to $47) now and i say i'm quite disappointed with the content.
  
  Really? George actually REDUCED the price? Man - I'd be annoyed too if I had jumped on it early! (I don't know what the price was when he launched it but if it WAS $67 and has already been reduced then that's not a "good look" unless I'm missing some facts here.)
  
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lefty359

15 years ago

I don't have GS1, And Rasmussen's bonus put me over the top for GS2. If it's selling for $47 now,
then that ticks me off.

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robwill2

15 years ago

I bought Google Sniper 2.0 yesterday after being told that I would get in 2 hours earlier if I registered.

I am very annoyed this morning to find that the price I paid $67 has now been reduced to $47.

If anything the early birds should have got the $47 and today it should have gone to $67.

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infinite

15 years ago

Originally Posted by robwill2

I bought Google Sniper 2.0 yesterday after being told that I would get in 2 hours earlier if I registered.

I am very annoyed this morning to find that the price I paid $67 has now been reduced to $47.

If anything the early birds should have got the $47 and today it should have gone to $67.

So is this serious? It went live at $67 and all those earlybird buyers jumped on board only for it to be selling for $47 just 24 hours later? Can anyone else confirm this as I honestly didn't see the launch price.

If this is in fact true, then I agree entirely. I too would be annoyed if I was on the "earlybird list" and jumped on it immediately!

I see nothing wrong with RAISING the price but to reduce it less than 24 hours into a launch seems crazy logic.

If we wait a few more days will it be selling at $17? - LOL

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grayambition

15 years ago

Originally Posted by infinite

So is this serious? It went live at $67 and all those earlybird buyers jumped on board only for it to be selling for $47 just 24 hours later? Can anyone else confirm this as I honestly didn't see the launch price.

If this is in fact true, then I agree entirely. I too would be annoyed if I was on the "earlybird list" and jumped on it immediately!

I see nothing wrong with RAISING the price but to reduce it less than 24 hours into a launch seems crazy logic.

If we wait a few more days will it be selling at $17? - LOL

Aaron

It's dead serious. I jumped on the early bird bandwagon for $67. After reading some of these posts yesterday, I checked the purchase link and yep, it's $47 now.

Color me not a happy camper.

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15 years ago

THANKS again to the wonderful Warrior Forum for truth, honesty and saving me money!

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canard5

15 years ago

Hmmm thanks guys. I just purchased the product to put up an honest review on my site, but after reading through here it sounds like I'm only going to be able to recommend it to those you haven't read GS1 and even then letting them know that there is a lot more to it then what George teaches.

Clump this with a good backlinking course and you've got something quite good.

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Steadyon

15 years ago

I bought Google Sniper 1 when it came out.

A few things bugged me about it. Brown basically suggested making up stories to sell stuff. In a nut shell he also stated you could basically copy stuff from other websites which is tantamount to theft as far as I am concerned. I can't sell this way.

There were a number of other comments in the book which involved "unethical" tactics which didn't sit well with me.

Basically overall it left a bad taste in my mouth. So I refunded for the first time ever.

Can you make money from his methods? Probably yes if you implement them.

Would I be happy doing some of the stuff he suggests? No.

There are lots of ways to make money. You don't have to lose your soul doing it.

Finally, I am sorry so many feel deceived by George about GS 2.0

For the record I NEVER promote anything that I haven't personally reviewed.

If you are an affiliate of any product, and you suggest buying something that turns out to be poor, without actually seeing it yourself first, you have no excuse.

It just doesn't cut it in my view no matter what anybody says about their own launch tactics.

You sold it. You take responsibility for it, or don't sell it at all.

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Tom Trotts

15 years ago

I am honestly appalled at the many recent product launches by all these big name "gurus"

Are these not the same people that initially gained our trust by telling US to "be honest and kind to others in our own endeavors and the rest will take care of it'self?"

Why are they turning their backs on us and treating us like bunch of chumps laughing to the bank with our good hard earned money?

I have purchased (and refunded) all these "Push button" traffic software miracles, blog courses and all the hyped up crap out there.. The support these people are providing for their absolutely must have pile of crap is absolutely terrible. Not only terrible but often times even blatantly rude.

I am sooo thankful for the Warrior Forum. After my last (very recent) experience I make ANY purchases without going coming here first. I even recommend and send my own subscribers here for "honest" reviews. I don't want them to get suckered if I can help it. It makes me sick seeing these guys rape the masses of our hard earned dough and down right $%^3ing with peoples heads!

Sorry for the rant.. it's just so disappointing to see AGAIN and AGAIN.

Another scam.. thanks again Warriors!

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Steve Wise

15 years ago

I was considering buying this course but having read this thread don't think i'll bother. I noticed on the sales page that having stated how fantastic the product is we're then encouraged to buy into something else that makes it work better. This seems to happen a lot with product launches.

I bought Andrew McClouds CB Profit Storm WSO a couple of months ago for $27 which has had 2 upgrades since both of which were free to existing users. Seems a bit unfair for GS1 users to have to purchase the new course from George. Also interesting to note that he hasn't been in the thread to answer many of the allegations made.

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RB 15 years ago

I'm also curious about why George hasn't checked in to warrior forum Steve. He does mention outsourcing to warrior members in the manual for Sniper 2.0.

Of course he's busy with server crashes and processing lots of orders (and refunds too as it sounds).

I skimmed the manual. There is nothing in it that I did not know from belonging to the warrior forum, and from other product purchases. Some may find value in it, but only if they don't look for better value elsewhere.

Another footnote to the purchase and the few upsells - this is supposed to be easy as he makes it sound. But, in order to download the course you'll have to have the latest adobe PDF version and you'll have to download a media player. OK, probably should have the latest PDF version anyway, (links in manual don't work if you don't have the latest) but now I have two downloads to make and and a new viewer to familiarize myself with before I can even check out the videos and proceed with the course.

I don't like jumping through hoops, and that includes the time sucking process of asking for a refund - yet another process I'll have to go through.

I have been doing rather well in beating my internet course addiction. Guess I fell off the wagon for a minute and cost myself time, frustration, disappointment, and temporarily, money.

Oh yea, I did pay $67 - not $47. That's just not right and is reason enough to ask for a refund although I don't need a reason with the Clickbank policy.

If you do decide to take one of the upgrades like the monthly subscription free for a while, you'll also have to remember to cancel it or pay it - yet another thing added to the list of negatives.

Thanks for helping me cure my addiction George.

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15 years ago

My unofficial guess is that 99% of information available to own a successful internet business already exists, much of it for free, or very inexpensive. If there were NO more product launches by anybody for the rest of 2011, we would all be more successful because we would be forced to focus on building our business with all the great knowledge already out there and we would stop looking at every shiny ball (most not very shiny at all!) out there (and yes, I am as guilty as the rest). Maybe we should all take a breath from these product launches and review what we already know and what we have done with the information we already have. Take some time to figure out what we are really trying to accomplish......

"If you can dream it, then you can achieve it. You will get all you want in life if you help enough other people get what they want" Zig Ziglar

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VeitSchenk

15 years ago

well, if you click on the back button from the sales-page, you're offered a $1 trial for 5 days.
download it, check it out, if YOU think it helps YOU make money, awesome, pay for the rest. Otherwise, send them an email and you're out of $1 .. and I'm sure if you ask for that one back, you'll get it too.

The key to making this work is this:

if your plan for 2011 involves setting up tons of sniper-sites and you need some guidance, you could probably do worse than getting George's course.

If however your plan for 2011 is as super-specific as "make some money, don't care how the heck I'm gonna do it", then more likely than not, George's course is going to collect dust on your harddrive.

somewhere earlier someone said to make it work, it'll require dedication, dedication and I think dedication (sorry, if I'm misquoting, just saw a movie where they asked what the secret to French cuisine was, and the answer was butter, butter, and butter).

So: do you actually want to set up tons of sniper-sites (yes, it is easy, yes they make money (the worst you can do is set them up as adsense sites), but yes, it requires work)? If so and you lack information on how to set them up, check out the course for 5 days and decide.

Otherwise, back to work...

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by VeitSchenk

well, if you click on the back button from the sales-page, you're offered a $1 trial for 5 days.
download it, check it out, if YOU think it helps YOU make money, awesome, pay for the rest. Otherwise, send them an email and you're out of $1 .. and I'm sure if you ask for that one back, you'll get it too.
Veit

I would like to add as I looked at this, that you can try it for a $1 but after that trial, you will pay the $67 instead of the $47, that' how they offered this trial. I think I'd rather buy it at the $47 and get it at the cheaper price if I like it or refund if it's not what it states and get my entire $47 back than like it and end up paying $68 by doing the trial. Just my 2 cents.

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trytolearnmore

15 years ago

If you would check his websites (groom wedding speech) using SEO spyglass, you will see that it doesn't have a lot of backlinks (22 to be exact, but SEO spyglass may be wrong).

Only 14 of them are dofollow (including 2 from Warrior Forum).

The only PR6 comes from this website: DynaBlue wordpress theme | Webdesignlessons.com.

But guys, you can rank on top of Google without backlinking. I have an exact match domain and it is #2 on a competitive term. I've set up my website 3-6 days ago. I do not know how, but somehow it worked.

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Adam Roy

15 years ago

You guys want to know what's REALLY, REALLY funny?

Google sniper 1 is STILL $77!

Google Sniper 2, is actually way less than Google Snipoer 1......

Now that's weird

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Joe118

15 years ago

Guys, the only two reasons Groom Wedding Speech is #1 for Groom Wedding Speech are:

1. It has a PR6 backlink from a strategically placed SPAM comment here: DynaBlue wordpress theme | Webdesignlessons.com

2. It has an exact match domain name for the term Groom Wedding Speech

That's it. That's all you need to know to succeed with ranking high in Google -- buy exact match domain names and spam successfully with blog comments on low outbound-link high pagerank blog pages..

Get *more* and better backlinks than the competition and have this one killer factor of exact match domain name and you're done.

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TimG

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe118

Guys, the only two reasons Groom Wedding Speech is #1 for Groom Wedding Speech are:

1. It has a PR6 backlink from a strategically placed SPAM comment here: DynaBlue wordpress theme | Webdesignlessons.com

2. It has an exact match domain name for the term Groom Wedding Speech

That's it. That's all you need to know to succeed with ranking high in Google -- buy exact match domain names and spam successfully with blog comments on low outbound-link high pagerank blog pages..

Get *more* and better backlinks than the competition and have this one killer factor of exact match domain name and you're done.

I'd like to also add that for true low hanging fruit or long tail keyword phrases you don't even need to have an exact match domain.

I have plenty of pages on my sites that rank for the long tail keyword phrases I have targeted just by naming the page the same as the long tail keyword phrase.

Many of these pages don't even have backlinks to them and they still rank in the top 3.

Naturally the traffic obtained for each individual phrase is not a huge amount but as a combined group they drive significant amounts of targeted visitors to a single site.

I purchased GS1 and picked up a few things from it and passed on a few of the gray areas I didn't like about it. No reason to purchase GS2 because if you alreadyhave a plan that is working why change it.

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Joe118

15 years ago

Well I said PR6 but the page is actually PR4 -- no idea why I mixed up the numbers... It does indicate that this is an easy niche to rank #1 in.

Originally Posted by Joe118

Guys, the only two reasons Groom Wedding Speech is #1 for Groom Wedding Speech are:

1. It has a PR6 backlink from a strategically placed SPAM comment here: DynaBlue wordpress theme | Webdesignlessons.com

2. It has an exact match domain name for the term Groom Wedding Speech

That's it. That's all you need to know to succeed with ranking high in Google -- buy exact match domain names and spam successfully with blog comments on low outbound-link high pagerank blog pages..

Get *more* and better backlinks than the competition and have this one killer factor of exact match domain name and you're done.

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roweis

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe118

That's it. That's all you need to know to succeed with ranking high in Google -- buy exact match domain names and spam successfully with blog comments on low outbound-link high pagerank blog pages..

Get *more* and better backlinks than the competition and have this one killer factor of exact match domain name and you're done.

How do you explain that the site ranked # 3 for "groom wedding speech" is not ranked higher since it has 1612 backlinks to the site?! It does have the keyword in the domain name, but it also has the word "my" in front of the keyword. Can that small difference in domain name make such a big difference in ranking, in spite of having over 1600 backlinks, much much more than the site ranked # 1?

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kenwarrior

15 years ago

It should have been called gsniper v1.05 not v2.0, nothing new here except some easily spotted false advertising and misleading income claims

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chuckles

15 years ago

what I find frustrating is that marketers are simply allowed to get away with totally false advertising. In this case George showing his clickbank account for TRAFFIC SIPHON and claiming he made the money in the account from Google Sniper. In the real world I think this is called misleading/false advertising at best and FRAUD at worst.

The thing I regret is it took me some time to find this forum - I don't buy IM products any more as a result.

As I posted earlier in this thread the first Google Sniper is o.k but bits about searching for EXACT match keywords and backlinking are left out.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Harvey

Hi Everyone, This is Norman Clark. I am new to the Internet. I saw George Brown's video about Google Sniper 2.0 and as I was on his list, I decided to buy Google sniper 2.0. I have to say that I am disappointed with the service as I have not received the programme. Also, in his video he states that there will be no upsales of any kind as the other "Gurus" do. I must tell you that in fact he upsells two other products, "Step by Step live video course of a Real Money making Sniper Site" for £76.22p and yet another upsell "Traffic Ultimatum Upgrade also for £76.22p. As a newbe, I am extremely disappointed to learn that the price for Google Sniper 2.0 can be purchased for $47 when I was charged £52.66p and I note from ClickBanks receipt that George Brown will charge an additional £36.94p per month for I have not discovered what. He mentions nothing about an additional monthly payment in any of the videos. People beware. I intend to ask for a full refund of all my pruchases from George Brown. I would be grateful for any kind of advice from people on this forum. Thank you all in advance for your help. I have learnt another lesson about the Internet the hard way.
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Norman Clark.

Hi Norman,

If you go back to your clickbank receipt there is a link in the technical support that will take you back to the upsells stuff after checkout. JUST SAY NO to everything and you will be presented with an subscriber box. Put in your info and you will be email access info.

Now if you ever get access to the darn thing there is a tab labeled SniperX. the monthy $47 is to pay for monthly updates of strategies and methods. George disquised it very nicely in the order page. There was two items listed with check boxes prepopulated. One for the GS2 and another right below it for the Sniper X. There was not much info given on the SniperX and because it show a $0 charge for the first month you'd miss it if you didnt' read the fine print.

Supposedly, one of the blackhat forums have the stuff available for dl because George didn't secure his contents. If you willing to search you can probably get it for free. IMO this product is not even good for newbies as it's outdated and misleading.

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Originally Posted by mkl3377

IMO this product is not even good for newbies as it's outdated and misleading.

Hi Michael,

What would you recommend that is up-to-date and not misleading for newbies?

Serious here. I am tired of the continual procession of marketing products promising a lot.
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  Wow.. I feel so bad for the guy right about now.. I wonder what his return rate is for GS2
  
  But on the other hand.. He deserves it.. You can't really expect to get away with something like this in such a tight community.. I mean after all the word DOES spread through the interwebz
  
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Lee Wilson

15 years ago

It amazes me what people get all hung up about. This is internet marketing, it's rife with bull**** and always will be, yet people that whinge still wanna be a part of it! :rolleyes:

Most people moaning will have no problems promoting the latest ****ty product or continuity program. Bull**** don't stop at IM. Very few CB products are nothing but overpriced junk, whether that's dog training, weight loss, stop smoking or learning piano. The list goes on. Virtually everyone here is willing to inflict this crap on others with their sniper sites but don't like it coming back on themselves. We're all in the same loop. You either do it ethically or you don't, that's a choice.

The "unethical" crap is still full of great lessons that can be turned into ethical ideas if that's what you want to do. There's a lot of great lessons here that are getting overlooked. Here's an idea. You've got sniper 1, now you get sniper 2. Try forgetting the product and look at the marketer. Search through all G Browns old threads here and elswehere, the ones where he was asking the same newbie questions. Try tracing his steps from then till now, look at what he's doing, what he's done, how he's progressed and how he's pissed everyone off.

You'll have more material there that you can use ethically or unethically that far outweigh the cost of both sniper versions put together.

I've just bought it through Jeremy's link. I've got no interest in sniper and may possibly not even waste my time login in to check it out. Personally, George Brown bores the pants off me, just like most of the other Gurus do. Don and Jeremy on the other hand don't bore me. I doubt I'll learn much from their bonus, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to see a twist or two on something that I've not thought of. If I don't, then I've just spent $47, big deal. I might just gain a bit of inspiration from it, that alone might be worth more than $47. It's all part of the experience and whether I realise it or not, I've probably learned something that might come in useful at a later date.

It's all about learning and looking for new ideas. If you buy any product and only take notice of the content itself then you still have a lot of learning to do. This is Internet Marketing. You'll learn more by watching George Brown himself than you will from his actual product. If you feel ripped off, look at the bigger picture, you'll still have your money's worth!

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Chris Sorrell

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lee Wilson

It amazes me what people get all hung up about. This is internet marketing, it's rife with bull**** and always will be, yet people that whinge still wanna be a part of it! :rolleyes:

Most people moaning will have no problems promoting the latest ****ty product or continuity program. Bull**** don't stop at IM. Very few CB products are nothing but overpriced junk, whether that's dog training, weight loss, stop smoking or learning piano. The list goes on. Virtually everyone here is willing to inflict this crap on others with their sniper sites but don't like it coming back on themselves. We're all in the same loop. You either do it ethically or you don't, that's a choice.

The "unethical" crap is still full of great lessons that can be turned into ethical ideas if that's what you want to do. There's a lot of great lessons here that are getting overlooked. Here's an idea. You've got sniper 1, now you get sniper 2. Try forgetting the product and look at the marketer. Search through all G Browns old threads here and elswehere, the ones where he was asking the same newbie questions. Try tracing his steps from then till now, look at what he's doing, what he's done, how he's progressed and how he's pissed everyone off.

You'll have more material there that you can use ethically or unethically that far outweigh the cost of both sniper versions put together.

I've just bought it through Jeremy's link. I've got no interest in sniper and may possibly not even waste my time login in to check it out. Personally, George Brown bores the pants off me, just like most of the other Gurus do. Don and Jeremy on the other hand don't bore me. I doubt I'll learn much from their bonus, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to see a twist or two on something that I've not thought of. If I don't, then I've just spent $47, big deal. I might just gain a bit of inspiration from it, that alone might be worth more than $47. It's all part of the experience and whether I realise it or not, I've probably learned something that might come in useful at a later date.

It's all about learning and looking for new ideas. If you buy any product and only take notice of the content itself then you still have a lot of learning to do. This is Internet Marketing. You'll learn more by watching George Brown himself than you will from his actual product. If you feel ripped off, look at the bigger picture, you'll still have your money's worth!

V good points. I'm of a similar opinion really. Everything that gets sold under the sun involves some sort of 'overselling' and 'hype' and sometimes there is just downright deception but that's life. I buy coca cola which is just sugary water that causes rotting teeth and diabetes but I'm not going on forums complaining that I've got a headache from all the sugar in it and low and behold coca cola haven't advertised their product as a lump of sugary water. How dare they! I'll sue!

I'm surprised that some people are shocked that there may be some element of hype and deception over products can gross over $1m in a 3-4 week period. I'm not sure what sort of lives people have had here but I've seen far more deceptive and nasty things been done to people over $5, let alone over something that may make the creator a $1m.

Some of the lists of the more ethical marketers I'm on often advise to learn from these launches from a marketing perspective rather than to buy their courses. In other words, these guys are making millions every year so what they're doing works. You don't buy riverside apartments with ethics and money never lies.

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Originally Posted by sorrellaff

V good points. I'm of a similar opinion really. Everything that gets sold under the sun involves some sort of 'overselling' and 'hype' and sometimes there is just downright deception but that's life. I buy coca cola which is just sugary water that causes rotting teeth and diabetes but I'm not going on forums complaining that I've got a headache from all the sugar in it and low and behold coca cola haven't advertised their product as a lump of sugary water. How dare they! I'll sue!

I'm surprised that some people are shocked that there may be some element of hype and deception over products can gross over $1m in a 3-4 week period. I'm not sure what sort of lives people have had here but I've seen far more deceptive and nasty things been done to people over $5, let alone over something that may make the creator a $1m.

Some of the lists of the more ethical marketers I'm on often advise to learn from these launches from a marketing perspective rather than to buy their courses. In other words, these guys are making millions every year so what they're doing works. You don't buy riverside apartments with ethics and money never lies.

What a ridiculous analogy! Coca-Cola in itself doesn't "cause rotten teeth and diabetes". It you consumed too much of it every day for a long period maybe it would contribute to those conditions. That's like saying "Maseratis cause death".

As for "just sugary water". That's funny, last time I looked it had all sorts of stuff in it - including caffeine to replace the original cocaine. The label says: carbonated water, cane sugar, color (caramel 150d), food acid (phosphoric acid 338), "flavor", caffeine.

As for the rest of your spurious argument - Bernie Madoff made billions too. Care to guess where he is now? I'll give you a clue - it's not a riverside apartment.

"Money never lies" you say. BS. Money doesn't maketh the man. Ethics most certainly do. One of the world's richest men, Warren Buffett, summed it up nicely -

"It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently."

But you can't tell that to these 20 year old wunderkinds can you.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

What a ridiculous analogy! Coca-Cola in itself doesn't "cause rotten teeth and diabetes". It you consumed too much of it every day for a long period maybe it would contribute to those conditions. That's like saying "Maseratis cause death".

As for "just sugary water". That's funny, last time I looked it had all sorts of stuff in it - including caffeine to replace the original cocaine. The label says: carbonated water, cane sugar, color (caramel 150d), food acid (phosphoric acid 338), "flavor", caffeine.

As for the rest of your spurious argument - Bernie Madoff made billions too. Care to guess where he is now? I'll give you a clue - it's not a riverside apartment.

"Money never lies" you say. BS. Money doesn't maketh the man. Ethics most certainly do. One of the world's richest men, Warren Buffett, summed it up nicely -But you can't tell that to these 20 year old wunderkinds can you.

I was merely illustrating the point that in a world where people routinely get scammed and murdered for $10 it is a little naive to think that a product launch that will probably generate over $1m for its creator is going to be completely above board and whiter than white. If George Brown or any other marketers simply promoted their products straight down the line and said exactly what it was then they wouldn't make a fraction of what they do now. Much in the same way coca cola don't advertise themselves as a company who provide carbonated water with excessive sugar in it. Hardly a spurious argument.

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- Donnie 15 years ago
  
  I am on Jeremy's list and bought GS2 using his link. He stated many times that there would NOT be anything new or groundbreaking in GS2. I found this refreshing and believable, for a change , from an affiliate. Jeremy has one of the best bonuses I can think of, demonstrating how to use the product! I for one am excited about using this technique for the first time. If Jeremy can't adequately demonstrate how to profit from GS2 techniques, I will simply request a CB refund.
  
  I seriously doubt I will want a refund. I believe the bonus from Jeremy & Don , illustrating how to use GS2, will be my best investment of 2011!
  
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  George Montagu Brown 15 years ago
  
  Hi guys, after being alerted to this I'm dropping in here.. And many of you are not going to like what I have to say. I don't care. I wear my heart on my sleeve, and I'm really not happy
  
  Honestly, I'm totally shocked and hurt at the feedback and indeed even some PERSONAL comments here...
  
  First, here's the FACTS:
  
  The MAJORITY of people are VERY, VERY happy with Google sniper 2.0. And pretty much everyone who actually USES the system, see's results, look through this thread and any other one of the warrior forum about Google Sniper and you'll see that.
  
  Nothing is new? Clearly many of you have lost all perception of value. I have not seen many a course that comes anywhere close to GS in terms of actual, actionable content, ANYONE can go out and make money with.
  
  Even many of the $2k "million dollar" launches - Guess what? They're theory based and often lack any real, money making content.
  
  The empire module could have been a course alone, and had i put some fancy graphics in there etc could've sold it for 2,000 like a lot of marketers would do. But I don't. And I do it so that it gets out to more people. People who use it. And many people do.
  
  I've never seen anywhere NEAR as many success stories from any other product online as i have from google sniper. Once again, I don't need to actually list anything, you can look on this very forum for proof.
  
  Oh... And the refund rate currently? Less than ONE percent. I'm sure it'll rise, but that's what it is right now. Which is pretty unheard of. And any affiliates who see this will back that up as fact.
  
  There's the FACTS. Here's my opinions:
  
  This whole thread has shocked me. It makes me wonder why I even bother putting so much effort into my courses it really does... But here's why I do:
  
  I know the majority of people in this thread have NOT bought the product and are just jumping on the bandwagon... I love this forum and have learned many things ever, but there's way too much "hating" here too.
  
  Some of the stuff being said is just complete garbage, based on no fact whatseover, from people who have ZERO credibility and don't know the first thing about SEO. That's not saying everyone, as there are some very valuable and correct remarks too.
  
  Google Sniper is a real system, that works. And takes time. It is NOT some push button software YOU, yes the people of the Warrior forum, keep buying for some reason. Or aren't even buying and just jumping on the bandwagon once again to complain some more.
  
  The final thing I've noticed is this :
  
  A lot of people in this thread are people I know personally and who maybe "don't like me anymore" for whatever reason. (the copy "nazi") bein one of them... I mean seriously dude? You should be ashamed of calling yourself that. Disgusting.
  
  Sorry I never emailed you back mate, don't take it out on my review thread and ruin what's an excellent product and helped thousands of people because your copy didn't convert. That's right, the copy I paid you for on the real traffic secret was terrible, worst copy I've ever seen.
  
  I know it's not relevant, and you'll probably complain or send me some long PM now, but I'm stating facts. You're talking crap.
  
  And finally, here's a general rant, this is only directed at a few... Funnily enough at the FEW who will get most angry. And the small % who occupy all of these threads and who most product owners pander to.
  
  I will not. And you need to hear this.
  
  I don't have time for this forum back and forth, back and forth... And you shouldn't either. Use the warrior forum for what it's intended for: Talking about making money online. Not hanging around moaning all day.
  
  Pick a system, Google Sniper or not... And stick to it. All you need to do is build a website. You don't need to buy "self motivational $5,000 coaching program", you just need to build a website. It's not rocket science.
  
  I won't be replying again. I challenge anyone to get Google Sniper and try it out. Look at the success stories on this forum. And decide for yourself.
  
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  droog 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by George Montagu Brown
  
  This whole thread has shocked me.
  
  True. Neither did we think someone would be able to snap a screenshot from the video and catch that it was actually the Traffic Siphon clickbank account instead of the sniper site account(s).
  
  Originally Posted by George Montagu Brown
  
  I won't be replying again.
  
  Probably the smartest way to handle the earnings screenshot.
  
  As far as the product I don't remember many comments bashing Google Sniper as a product. The original Google Sniper received good reviews. I bought the first one.
  
  Some people on this thread were saying it wasn't worth buying GS 2 because there wasn't enough new material. George will say it's worth the upgrade and everyone will have a different opinion whether it's worth the upgrade. People should read through the thread and decide for themselves. That's what makes threads like these valuable.
  
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The Copy Nazi

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lee Wilson

It amazes me what people get all hung up about. This is internet marketing, it's rife with bull**** and always will be, yet people that whinge still wanna be a part of it! :rolleyes:

Most people moaning will have no problems promoting the latest ****ty product or continuity program. Bull**** don't stop at IM. Very few CB products are nothing but overpriced junk, whether that's dog training, weight loss, stop smoking or learning piano. The list goes on. Virtually everyone here is willing to inflict this crap on others with their sniper sites but don't like it coming back on themselves. We're all in the same loop. You either do it ethically or you don't, that's a choice.

The "unethical" crap is still full of great lessons that can be turned into ethical ideas if that's what you want to do. There's a lot of great lessons here that are getting overlooked. Here's an idea. You've got sniper 1, now you get sniper 2. Try forgetting the product and look at the marketer. Search through all G Browns old threads here and elswehere, the ones where he was asking the same newbie questions. Try tracing his steps from then till now, look at what he's doing, what he's done, how he's progressed and how he's pissed everyone off.

You'll have more material there that you can use ethically or unethically that far outweigh the cost of both sniper versions put together.

I've just bought it through Jeremy's link. I've got no interest in sniper and may possibly not even waste my time login in to check it out. Personally, George Brown bores the pants off me, just like most of the other Gurus do. Don and Jeremy on the other hand don't bore me. I doubt I'll learn much from their bonus, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to see a twist or two on something that I've not thought of. If I don't, then I've just spent $47, big deal. I might just gain a bit of inspiration from it, that alone might be worth more than $47. It's all part of the experience and whether I realise it or not, I've probably learned something that might come in useful at a later date.

It's all about learning and looking for new ideas. If you buy any product and only take notice of the content itself then you still have a lot of learning to do. This is Internet Marketing. You'll learn more by watching George Brown himself than you will from his actual product. If you feel ripped off, look at the bigger picture, you'll still have your money's worth!

Who's to say "It always will be" - that's part of the problem - people thinking it the norm to scam or use "sharp practice". Just makes it harder to market if the public's perception is "it's rife with bull****".

The Advertising industry started with "Snake Oil" sellers (and some would say its still full of them) but it grew up and was regulated - so people wouldn't be hit with false advertising. The FTC in the US and other regulatory bodies in other countries are supposed to regulate the Internet marketing industry but they don't seem to be doing a very good job. So why don't we start by self-regulating huh? Pull these guys in to line. Hyping something up is one thing - blatantly misrepresenting and falsifying earnings screenshots is another.

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kellyburdes

15 years ago

Honestly I don't see any difference between George selling the update to GS vs Kern selling MC 1.0 and MC 2.0, or JW selling PLF 1.0, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2 and now 3.0.

If you buy the original stuff your going to the get the basic strategy down (the important part), and if you want more tactics by the update.

In terms of cheap ass IM CB products i think GS is kind of a shining light in a sea of darkness (though I've not seen GS 2).

Originally Posted by Lee Wilson

I say it always will be because it always has been. Obviously I don't know for certain it will stay that way but patterns rarely change. It's just a likely reality, I don't support it, but it is what it is. People shouldn't be subject to it but it only takes a little common sense to see through the nonsense. There's always a refund option on most of these things, click it and move on IMO, or do your homework first.

I have no problem with fighting in favour of ethical marketing but I think too many people are far too hypocrytical and just don't want to admit it. What George Brown has done with this product is no different from the crap that most of the complainers are willing to push in front of unsuspecting buyers who have far less insight about the hype than anyone who visits this forum.

What's worse? a marketer selling hype to those that should know better or those that sell hype to people that really do believe regulations prevent this from happening, completely unaware that this stuff goes on. QVC do it every day, drug companies do it, weight loss programs, loan companies etc.. multi billion dollar industries that are all aimed at the completely unsuspecting or taking advantage of peoples weakness. Regulators don't regulate, they move goal posts and marketers / businesses just move them somewhere else.

If the FTC truly won the battle, it would have an effect on the economy as a whole. As Jeremy said, people buy dreams but this doesn't stop with the make money niche. Lies and hype are used in virtually every industry. Ethics are relative to opinion. Where you or I might become satisfied at a certain level of regulation, others will still feel the line is still set way too high or low. Who's opinion is right? IMO it's the cost of capitalism, it aint perfect but I'd rather live in this world than many others view of Utopia.

I'm in no way supporting any of this kind of marketing (although no doubt some will think I am), I'm just trying to put things into perspective. Caveat Emptor. Either do the homework or make sure you have a solid refund option.

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15 years ago

All I can say is this...this was the first launch I've participated in, and will probably be the last for a long while unless something really good comes up.

I've got some serious ass kissing to do for my list...for them putting up with us...we're not quite polished when it comes to participating in these things, so we were a bit 'all over the place'...but, we'll make it up to them in the end.

I've always looked at the IM niche as a hobby...so, learning a ton of stuff as I go

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kellyburdes

15 years ago

The last time I looked @ George's stats your in the top 10 are you not Jeremy?

You should be able to leverage that very well in the future, and make it more than worth the hassle. I don't think that GS is a BS product like so many of them out there. You aught to be able to get some great relationships out of the launch if you know how to leverage it.

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

All I can say is this...this was the first launch I've participated in, and will probably be the last for a long while unless something really good comes up.

I've got some serious ass kissing to do for my list...for them putting up with us...we're not quite polished when it comes to participating in these things, so we were a bit 'all over the place'...but, we'll make it up to them in the end.

I've always looked at the IM niche as a hobby...so, learning a ton of stuff as I go

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by kellyburdes

The last time I looked @ George's stats your in the top 10 are you not Jeremy?

You should be able to leverage that very well in the future, and make it more than worth the hassle. I don't think that GS is a BS product like so many of them out there. You aught to be able to get some great relationships out of the launch if you know how to leverage it.

I was in the top 10 - I doubt I will finish there though...

Can you believe we crashed the leaderboard with a list of only 2,000 subscribers...without lying to them, and without hyping the thing to death?

Our list is the best one that every lived hands down! They always have our back, and I'm glad that we were able to earn their trust the way we have.

I'm not so much worried about the leverage - We've gone back and forth about being in the IM niche for the last 2 years, and honestly don't know if we will stick around or not - Our bread and butter is CPA and our offline company...they keep us more than busy.

We get asked all the time to participate in launches with the promises of reciprocal mailings etc - But, the truth is, we don't create products for the masses...our products are better suited for small groups because we like to be hands on and try to do most things that we do live.

Relationship wise - I do look forward to that because there are a ton of people that are much smarter than I am at this stuff (the IM niche) that I would love to talk to and learn from.

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Lee Wilson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Relationship wise - I do look forward to that because there are a ton of people that are much smarter than I am at this stuff (the IM niche) that I would love to talk to and learn from.

But then you'd be like the rest of them

You're never going to please everybody. You haven't promoted a crap product, you've promoted a hyped one, impossible to avoid in this market. Most of the complaints are not about the product but the lack of free upgrade. You're already offering something worth as much, or more than what you've promoted. You've done enough IMO. If people expect any more than that then they are in the wrong game.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

All I can say is this...this was the first launch I've participated in, and will probably be the last for a long while unless something really good comes up.

I've got some serious ass kissing to do for my list...for them putting up with us...we're not quite polished when it comes to participating in these things, so we were a bit 'all over the place'...but, we'll make it up to them in the end.

I've always looked at the IM niche as a hobby...so, learning a ton of stuff as I go

Jeremy,
That's too bad because I consider you one of the good guys and would value your product recommendations.

Heck, I almost purchased GS2 from you and I don't believe I'm on your list but I am curious to see you put into play what is taught within the product. I also liked the bonus offer from Kelly and Mike with Bring the Fresh.

Main reason I didn't purchase is because what I am doing is working and I want to stay focused on it. Although, I must admit, I'm still tempted...

I'm a buyer of GS1 and not overly concerned about not getting a free upgrade....why you might be asking? Because I don't use what was taught in GS1 as part of my business so no need for GS2.

Honestly, to many folks continue buying products they don't need when the truth is if they find one system and stick to it they will succeed online.....you have proven that many times yourself.

With all that said I don't like false images and sales copy anymore then the next person and wish more marketers would focus more on the truth instead of bait and switch and other gimmicks to generate sales.

Respectfully,
Tim

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Andycoates 15 years ago

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Cyberdetective

15 years ago

Hi

There is no doubt that these so called "sniper sites" do work and work very well if constructed correctly. Most will fail as has already been pointed out, because they will have difficulty finding the right long tail keywords, and will also fail to construct the sites correctly. You cannot use Google keyword tools they are simply not accurate enough and vary considerably depending on what server supplies the results. In fact you can refresh the page and get a different set of results in Google searches.

In my experience backlinking is not necessary, the organic traffic is targeted enough, but of course if you wish to spend the time doing it it can only benefit you. If constructed correctly these sites really are set and forget and can earn anything from $30 - $2000 per month depending on the Niche. For the keyword phrases with less than 5000 searches you can just use bum marketing, and setup a Squidoo lens. Using affiliate offers related to the Niche you can use article marketing only and sell off an optin landing page.

I accept that Mr Brown is selling off the back of the first product and most of the content is just rehashed the principal remains the same. Some of the recommended tactics may be a little unetical, but you have no need to follow those, this can be done quite ethically. Don't bother with adsense it detracts from what you are trying to achieve and pays very little. Use affiliate programs that pay at least $30. You will have no difficulty averaging $100 per month per site providing you can pick the keyword phrases of 3 or 4 words which are low competition high search items. Set up 50 of these and it's a nice secondary income for a little effort.

This is not a scam by any means, George my have coloured it up a bit, but the advice is sound and you have the tools, if you can't make it work as stated you will be at fault in some way.

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Cyberdetective

15 years ago

Never buy any of these offers straight off the page, they are all based on the same marketing methods. Try and close the browser window and you will be offered a discount of some sort. Try and close that out also a further discount may appear. At the moment you can access Google Sniper for 3 days for $1 and get all the information you need. Pay with Papal and then immediately cancel if you don't like it. You get everything for $1.

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15 years ago

Anyone interested in the way this is done and don't wish to buy Sniper 2, watch all the free videos in the link below, you will see exactly how it's done for free. The method is more or less the same without all the unethical stuff. It's far better in some respects and more important it works and costs nothing!

Find them here..........

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alamest

15 years ago

What i have read that and understand that every people have there own mind and technique and what I saw George video and it make sense to me because I have been refereed Google snipper 2 from a well know internet marketer in the internet history..

Guys when you buy the product you need to test it and apply it and than you can blame George or not because there is FTC ruled applied to it so it cannot be false..

Test the product and see you can make money from it what you have invested into it..

He is a smart kid and making great income...

So test the course and than blame..

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nando1125

15 years ago

Originally Posted by alamest

What i have read that and understand that every people have there own mind and technique and what I saw George video and it make sense to me because I have been refereed Google snipper 2 from a well know internet marketer in the internet history..

Guys when you buy the product you need to test it and apply it and than you can blame George or not because there is FTC ruled applied to it so it cannot be false..

Test the product and see you can make money from it what you have invested into it..

He is a smart kid and making great income...

So test the course and than blame..

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They aren't questioning his system, it does work. I've personally had some success with it.

They are mad at the fact that he lied about his proof of income and also at the fact that he lowered the price ALREADY. His loyal early bird customers purchased GS2 at $67, then about a day later (from what I read) it dropped to $47. Not considering that the whole product is just a bad attempt at recycling GS1 :rolleyes:

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The Copy Nazi

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by alamest

Guys when you buy the product you need to test it and apply it and than you can blame George or not because there is FTC ruled applied to it so it cannot be false..

WTF - "FTC ruled applied to it"? It's blatantly in breach of the FTC rules if anything. Especially with his using TSiphon stats and claiming its earnings from Sniper 1.

"Cannot be false". Yeah right. And Santa Claus is real. Grow up.

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SShip

15 years ago

Last night I emailed the support staff about this product after all the reviews basically asking them to do the right thing and upgrade the past purchasers of the GS1 at no extra charge after reading all the reviews. Now, I haven't bought GS1 or 2 but I want to see them do the right thing before I think about purchasing this product.

I would like to share with you an email I received from his support staff today. The last thing I said in my email was "Let me know if I'm wrong" and here is her response.

"Personally, it is my belief that you are! And I'm not just saying that because I work for George - but because I've worked for many different marketers and none have supplied the knowledge and know-how the way he has. It's a real working system that helps people finally make money online.

The decision to make it a separate purchase was because of all the new information that was added. Was it the best decision? Many think not. But even at $67 - it's a STEAL for what it shows you how to do! You'll have to make your own decision in the end. But the same is true about creating your own business. No one can do it for you or make you do the work.

Best of luck to you -"

I find them pretty rude!!

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Focused Action

15 years ago

I just think the bonus concept certainly deserves some discussion. Here is one way to look at it:

Scenerio #1 -

Your loyal customer buys YOUR product $100

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Commission on selling COMPETITOR #1 $ 50

Commission on selling COMPETITOR #2 $ 50

COMPETITOR #1 #2 customer gets YOUR product for -0-

So, what does YOUR customer think of what just happened??????????????

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PaulMark

15 years ago

See - even Joel Comm is saying it.

LOL! Uh... yeah, Joel's above board.

I agree with his post but there's a bit of hypocrisy in the message.

But heck, we're all there in some way. Not saying it's right.

But we've got folks in here holding stones like they've never done anything that can be questioned.

Other's who haven't bought the product are loading up as well. (That's just silly.)

So.... I went and bought the product just to see what all the crying and TT-ing is about.

It's a pretty solid approach. Will you get the same results? Little chance. But could you make a few thousand a month with it from a bit of effort and some minor tweaks? Heck, yeah. It's a clean process.

It's a 4 out of 5 on approach, actionability and possible profits. It's way easier than most make money systems.

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FreeI

15 years ago

As always, thanks forum users for your insight and honest opinions. As a graphic designer, it's amazes me how some marketers just recreate their moneymaking success stories in Photoshop.

Jeremy, I've been reading your posts on a few threads and I gotta say you're always on point. I look forward to possibly working with you some day.

Good spot ruch1v

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JackTriggs

15 years ago

All in all though, this Launch left a sour taste in my mouth which could easily have been avoided if George so choosed (cb account for TS)

If my Mom bought GS2 after reading the sales page, and me knowing what I know now about it...well I wouldn't be too happy about it, and nor do I think would any warrior be.

And that's the litmus test

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Zero

15 years ago

George should at least be given the chance to defend himself - before he completely gets hung out to dry by everyone labeling him a fraud.
Even murderers get their day in court to defend themselves.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Zero

George should at least be given the chance to defend himself - before he completely gets hung out to dry by everyone labeling him a fraud.
Even murderers get their day in court to defend themselves.

Agreed but George would be well aware that people would be posting their reviews in this forum so if he really wanted to jump in here and clarify the issues raised in this thread, I am sure he would have been here by now.

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Focused Action

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Zero

George should at least be given the chance to defend himself - before he completely gets hung out to dry by everyone labeling him a fraud.
Even murderers get their day in court to defend themselves.

Lets not pretend that he has not read every post of this thread

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droog

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Zero

George should at least be given the chance to defend himself - before he completely gets hung out to dry by everyone labeling him a fraud.
Even murderers get their day in court to defend themselves.

He's gonna have a tough sell on this one. He says flat out that the money in this particular clickbank account is exclusively from his sniper sites when in reality it was from a different product launch.

Maybe he has so many sniper site clickbank accounts that earned $400k last year that he can't keep them straight anymore.

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TelegramSam

15 years ago

Copy Nazi,

You have made some sensible comments.

But what's with your user name? Is it appropriate? Have I misunderstood the term Nazi somehow?

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Originally Posted by TelegramSam

Copy Nazi,

You have made some sensible comments.

But what's with your user name? Is it appropriate? Have I misunderstood the term Nazi somehow?

Sam

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droog

15 years ago

funny i just googled "im false earnings" and this thread is already ranked #2.

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kellyburdes

15 years ago

If you all would pay attention to what people do and not what they say ya'll would be so much better off.

Kelly Felix's post on here was one of the most illustrative ever of how product launches work.

He wants to be seen @ the top of a good launch. He wants to make sure he doesn't ruin the relationship with his list by promoting a bad product, and he knows GS 1 was a good product so he feels comfortable with GS2. He has a good relationship with George and wants to help his friend.

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Webcowboy

15 years ago

Well, this semi-noob purchased GS2 over 12 hours ago (Wednesday morning) at $47, but still haven't received anything, no confirmation email or anything, but since reading this thread, now I'm kicking myself for not coming here first. Won't happen again, I can assure you!

Thanks for all your insight, Warriors.

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Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Webcowboy

Well, this semi-noob purchased GS2 over 12 hours ago (Wednesday morning) at $47, but still haven't received anything, no confirmation email or anything, but since reading this thread, now I'm kicking myself for not coming here first. Won't happen again, I can assure you!

Thanks for all your insight, Warriors.

Terry

Terry, it was a sort of strange way to get into the membership. I would contact George's help desk.

I would go through the course first before you start kicking yourself. Try it out and if you don't like it then refund. You have 60 days so I wouldn't start buyer's remorse before going through the material.

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