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10 years ago

Yes I received email too. I know that Vick is good person. But I want to know more for this project.

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  Daniel LaRusso 10 years ago
  
  No offense, Jason, but it seems to me that you're a tad bit biased, as an affiliate for the program.
  
  I saw your description of what the program is, but I'd also like to hear some other responses from people who actually use the system.
  
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  Jason Field 10 years ago
  
  Actually, their system is really great you can try it out for only $1. If you like it then you decide if you wanna become a full time member, if not then it's up to you.What's the best thing in GSC aside from sure investment is that you can have access to the webinar of Frank Kern, Tony Robins and Eben Pagan.
  
  I'll admit to you right now that I am an affiliate.
  
  So while it may be viewed as biased I suggest you read it here: Global Success Club
  
  The thing to keep in mind is that any person who joins the program will automatically become an affiliate by default and being that ultimately people want to make money and desire for the product/service to build income, they're going to tend to be on the positive side of it than negative.
  
  For me personally as you'll read in the thread, I've made a little over $400 so far, not a bad start and I did it all by blogging and video marketing, with some social media. Furthermore my list is growing daily and I'm happy about that, being that I started basically from scratch with only a few members on my list from 48 Hour Cash Club when it was still available in the past.
  
  So if you're looking for people who "actually use the system" you're interacting with them right now. Now I'm not going to rewrite what I did in the other Global Success Club thread. But again I suggest you read it to get a personal experience from an insider.
  
  Also I've designed my Global Success Club blog to outline the journey every step of the way and as you'll see in my posts I don't leave anything out. I've included everything that Vick has stated and promised as being a member of the Global Success Club.
  
  And although I and some other GSC members, heck even including Vick himself were annoyed by the technical issues things are starting to come together.
  
  You can read my blog here: Global Success Club look at it as a Free Trial before the $1 14 day trial you get with Global Success Club.
  
  Again here's the thread that may answer some of your concerns if you're still kicking around the idea about joining: Global Success Club 100k in 90 Days!
  
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newbeedave

10 years ago

out of 535 views we only have 4 replys and one is an affiliate for GSC , come on!

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donsean 10 years ago

Hi folks,

I've just posted in another thread surrounding some questions people may be pondering about Global Success Club. I'll admit to you right now that I am an affiliate.

So while it may be viewed as biased I suggest you read it here: Global Success Club

The thing to keep in mind is that any person who joins the program will automatically become an affiliate by default and being that ultimately people want to make money and desire for the product/service to build income, they're going to tend to be on the positive side of it than negative.

For me personally as you'll read in the thread, I've made a little over $400 so far, not a bad start and I did it all by blogging and video marketing, with some social media. Furthermore my list is growing daily and I'm happy about that, being that I started basically from scratch with only a few members on my list from 48 Hour Cash Club when it was still available in the past.

So if you're looking for people who "actually use the system" you're interacting with them right now. Now I'm not going to rewrite what I did in the other Global Success Club thread. But again I suggest you read it to get a personal experience from an insider.

Also I've designed my Global Success Club blog to outline the journey every step of the way and as you'll see in my posts I don't leave anything out. I've included everything that Vick has stated and promised as being a member of the Global Success Club.

And although I and some other GSC members, heck even including Vick himself were annoyed by the technical issues things are starting to come together.

You can read my blog here: Real Global Success Club Review look at it as a Free Trial before the $1 14 day trial you get with Global Success Club.

Again here's the thread that may answer some of your concerns if you're still kicking around the idea about joining: Global Success Club 100k in 90 Days!
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raycowie

10 years ago

Hi, I bought into it, but what they forget to tell you is that you also have to purchase an aweber account and then drive traffic to the site they 'build' (lol) for you, which is just a squeeze page for GSC.

Seems to me like instead of owning your own site, you're merely a glorified affiliate.

There are some great motivational videos in there, but you could watch those on YouTube for free.

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moon50370861

10 years ago

Hey if im correct can't you pay for outsourcers to do the work for you? and there are like 2 to 3 ways to promote right either bring people in or market the products they tell you right? and don't you have 12 or more hours of support and virtual help?

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donsean

10 years ago

Hi, I bought into it, but what they forget to tell you is that you also have to purchase an aweber account and then drive traffic to the site they 'build' (lol) for you, which is just a squeeze page for GSC.

Seems to me like instead of owning your own site, you're merely a glorified affiliate.

There are some great motivational videos in there, but you could watch those on YouTube for free.

I don't think it's a "forget to tell you" about aweber, it's just that aweber or any AR is such a standard thing in the IM industry it's like it's already assumed that you know you'll be needing your basic tools with well any program which are hosting, AR, domain name. Also if you took the $1 trial then it's not as if Vick forgot to tell you about aweber since it's right there in the instructions as the first thing you do is to set up your aweber account.

I think you're misinterpreting some other things here as well. GSC didn't "forget" to tell you that you have to drive traffic. You'd have to drive traffic to any business or affiliate offer that you promote the same way that people stand on street corners holding up signs for carwash promotions.

Also as far as 'building' a site for you. I'm not even sure exactly what it is you're referring to and what's so humorous about it. You may be referring to having the OPTION of having a lot of the marketing work done for you. You could opt to have blogs, and other web2.0 properties built for you in order to promote GSC or if you choose to other businesses as well...is that what you're referring to?

Yes it's true that a squeeze page is provided for you promoting GSC and in fact I've spoken with Vick personally and he's working on creating 2 new squeeze pages and testing them to achieve a high % opt in conversion rate.

I'd say that's pretty cool and certainly appreciate it. With your statement "is just a squeeze page for GSC" well I'm not sure what you're expecting here...logically if you join any affiliate program the promotional squeeze page (some aff programs don't even provide you with one) is going to be about the particular program.

Don't think it would make much sense to take a free trial with GSC and then have a squeeze page for a Mike Dillard product. You'd be more than welcome to create your own squeeze pages and again it's also possible to get your own squeeze pages created for you based on whatever you want...

But that's the whole point of a membership program that does most all of it for you which is what Global Success Club is. Vick is basically trying to take out all that technical learning curve for you and give you a high converting product that will put you into profit so that you can copy and paste exactly what works. So that you can earn a residual income and have more options in the near future in order to create your own products and services which you will learn in the training of the program as well.

If you want to create your own products and services well then you'd have to learn how to effectively present it and drive traffic to it. Just like any other thing you want to sell. So the question is do you want to go through the effort of trying to figure it out on your own and buying tons of separate tools and education from a bunch of other resources and programs or would you like to just have that all in place in one location in a clear, concise, easy to follow manner?

As far as owning your own site well that's simple, you just buy hosting, get a domain name, throw a blog on it, and now you own your own site to promote whatever it is you like, whether it be GSC or whatever else you want.

As far as the great motivational content back there, there may be bits and pieces of some of the programs spread all over youtube, but two things:

They're really not supposed to be there I'd imagine and like people who upload movies or copyrighted content youtube will surely shut it down once they notice it.

Secondly, those high end motivational programs are merely an added bonus of the ENTIRE global success club membership. Do a google search you'll find what's to come.

When you joined did you even attempt to promote? My advice is give it another shot before you sleep on it, you're welcome to ask me questions give me a shout.

hope this helps

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donsean

10 years ago

Hey if im correct can't you pay for outsourcers to do the work for you? and there are like 2 to 3 ways to promote right either bring people in or market the products they tell you right? and don't you have 12 or more hours of support and virtual help?

You can, if you want to know more about it I can help you. There are several ways to promote not just 2 or 3. You'll be learning a full on marketing plan with the 100k in 90 days program. There are a lot of things being developed.

Check out Vick's new update 100k in 90 days program is launching Friday.

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donsean 10 years ago

Hey guys just wanted to let you guys know that the 100k in 90 days program is finally here along with several other valuable trainings in the new global success club back office.

It's pretty sick and I must say with action step #5 on the 1st day of the 100k in 90 day global success club program I'm getting almost instant results. Seriously.

Just giving a heads up, it's really worth your time bias affiliate or not. Take a shot is the advice I'm giving.

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bubbly

10 years ago

Hey don,
Been reading the threads, I am a founding member of gsc, and the truth is that ive been marketing online for the past few years now, and only making a few hundred here and there, till I was introduced to Global Success Club, I highly recommend people who have been trying to make money online to try this system, not only is the step by step marketing brilliant and so easy to follow, Ive learnt alot of things in the back office, that even my mentor who I paid good money to, didnt teach ,me.. the 90days to 100k a year global success program is well worth getting involved... oh by the way I had my first 600 dollar day with global success Club...

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lynneklos 10 years ago

I first want to say that Vick Strizheus is an honest, hard working family man who provides excellent support in anything he does. I am just wondering how this is different from the 7 figure marketing school that he did in 2009. It looks like the same thing to me, but under a different name. The rest of it seems very similar, although you don't have to be on telephone calls late at night. The experts are presented on videos, which is much better. My husband didn't like me being on the phone three or four nights a week.

If anyone knows why this program will work better than the 7 figure marketing school did, would you please send me a PM? I took place in all to co-op ad opportunities for the school, but those memberships were just a hard sell. I'm pretty sure the school is no longer. If there are things that will make GSC work better, I'd appreciate knowing about it. Thanks.
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ronywilliam

10 years ago

i just saw this thread "globel success club scam?", you can just have a look here. It is posted in internet marketing product reviews and rating.
this thread might get you some more reviews.
Hope this will help.

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GaryBurke

10 years ago

Well I certainly got a lot of information from these replies as 90% were from affilliates promoting the site and no actual users who bought into it and gave their honest review.
Based on that information I will be leaving it alone Thanks

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vtrujillo

10 years ago

I read through the materials on their site.

What do they sell besides other memberships into GSC? It sounds like to whole business model is referring other IM'ers to use Global Success Club to get other IM'ers to join as well?

The only products to speak of are the materials from success coaches (Tony Robbins, Kern, Les Brown, many others). People and resources I may already be intrested in but it is surrounded by IM hype about making millions.

I wish an affiliate could have said "You have access to great success and mindset products for a membership fee. You can refer others to these great products through some IM tools that we provide. You can make money from referring others to our great products"

Thats what it seems to me and I didnt like that it wasnt very easy to decipher from the website or from what other affiliates have said on this site. The model is something that people might be interested in anyways since many people search for these success and mindset tools every hour of the day.

Why bury it in the typical low level IM stuff? Makes the proposition seem skeezy.

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affhelper

10 years ago

Originally Posted by vtrujillo

I read through the materials on their site.

What do they sell besides other memberships into GSC? It sounds like to whole business model is referring other IM'ers to use Global Success Club to get other IM'ers to join as well?

The only products to speak of are the materials from success coaches (Tony Robbins, Kern, Les Brown, many others). People and resources I may already be intrested in but it is surrounded by IM hype about making millions.

I wish an affiliate could have said "You have access to great success and mindset products for a membership fee. You can refer others to these great products through some IM tools that we provide. You can make money from referring others to our great products"

Thats what it seems to me and I didnt like that it wasnt very easy to decipher from the website or from what other affiliates have said on this site. The model is something that people might be interested in anyways since many people search for these success and mindset tools every hour of the day.

Why bury it in the typical low level IM stuff? Makes the proposition seem skeezy.

You are correct and if Paypal finds out about this they will ask Clickbank
to remove Paypal as payment option from their order form, because to
Paypal it looks like a pyramid scheme.

I am not judging the product just saying that what they are doing is
against Paypal's TOS.

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donsean

10 years ago

Hey don,
Been reading the threads, I am a founding member of gsc, and the truth is that ive been marketing online for the past few years now, and only making a few hundred here and there, till I was introduced to Global Success Club, I highly recommend people who have been trying to make money online to try this system, not only is the step by step marketing brilliant and so easy to follow, Ive learnt alot of things in the back office, that even my mentor who I paid good money to, didnt teach ,me.. the 90days to 100k a year global success program is well worth getting involved... oh by the way I had my first 600 dollar day with global success Club...

Yes, there is so much in one place step-by-step training. I'm very impressed. You'd easily pay TONS more per month for the value that is included back there. There are things I am learning every single day at Global Success Club. I must say that everyday I feel so much more positive and productive. It's highly manageable and simple to follow. Congrats on the $600 day! That's sick!

Well I certainly got a lot of information from these replies as 90% were from affilliates promoting the site and no actual users who bought into it and gave their honest review.
Based on that information I will be leaving it alone Thanks

"no actual users"? I don't understand who else they would be from? When you take the $1 trial you automatically become an affiliate. How else are people supposed to scout it out for you? I'm not even sure what exactly it is you're looking for?

Although I'm an affiliate it doesn't mean the entire journey has been perfect by any means, just look around, I've posted the good and the bad. But the good far outweighs the bad.

I've expressed this several times, here and on other forums and it seems to me people who give negative reviews are for the most part tire kickers with an entitlement mentality looking for any make money online opportunity to just "fix them".

Furthermore, usually the negative reviews don't carry much if any weight and come from people blaming a particular business opportunity for the reason they fail.

What do they sell besides other memberships into GSC? It sounds like to whole business model is referring other IM'ers to use Global Success Club to get other IM'ers to join as well?

The only products to speak of are the materials from success coaches (Tony Robbins, Kern, Les Brown, many others). People and resources I may already be intrested in but it is surrounded by IM hype about making millions.

I wish an affiliate could have said "You have access to great success and mindset products for a membership fee. You can refer others to these great products through some IM tools that we provide. You can make money from referring others to our great products"

Thats what it seems to me and I didnt like that it wasnt very easy to decipher from the website or from what other affiliates have said on this site. The model is something that people might be interested in anyways since many people search for these success and mindset tools every hour of the day.

Why bury it in the typical low level IM stuff? Makes the proposition seem skeezy.

First of all Vick will be including other ready-to-go money making systems, products and services including personally customizable sales funnels in the near future. This will be included in the "other profitable income streams" section. So yes a membership with plenty avenues to make money with other products, services and tools that you can customize and make your own brand with.

You're essentially paying for valuable education and then you can apply that education towards any product or service that you can choose to create in the future or at the same time.

As far as that being the business model. Yea sounds about right. Membership. An analogy would be paying for a Gold's gym membership, getting into shape, getting a nice body and then if you choose to you could open up your own gym or make dvd's or systems to achieve similar results with your own name and brand attached to the training. Since you've gone through it and can provide some guidance and value to others.

I mean, for the most part a lot of business models are similar. Business is about making sales and receiving a commission, whether you're a real estate agent, car salesman, or any other commission based endeavor.

The only products to speak of are the success mindset stuff?

What about the other highly valuable trainings such as PPV marketing, email marketing, adswap training, etc. So if you were to buy each all those separate trainings and products on some random Clickbank launch how much would you estimate to spend?

Not to mention the personal coaching, training, availability, community support, members perks, and future updates including the VIP section.

Paying for each of those items separately with no guidance and personal coaching would be an astronomical expense for most people.

Keep in mind too, many people have came into this with a ZERO list and it is the first time they are actually building their list and learning how to do everything right from scratch in a highly manageable and logical fashion.

So I've said it before and I'll say it again, I really don't know how much easier it can get than this if you want to create a legitimate work from home income online.

"You have access to great success and mindset products for a membership fee. You can refer others to these great products through some IM tools that we provide. You can make money from referring others to our great products"

-Sean McDonough

K, said it. For everyone else, read above for what else it includes. I mean it may seem to you what you've thought it was, but it's clearly more.

As far as you not liking that "it wasnt very easy to decipher from the website or from what other affiliates have said on this site."

That's based on your personal experience and what you've interpreted it to be, I find it really straightforward and easy to understand personally.

"Why bury it in the typical low level IM stuff? Makes the proposition seem skeezy."

What exactly is the typical low level IM stuff in your opinion? I don't find anything lowdown or distasteful about it. Just great value for a nominal fee.

"You are correct and if Paypal finds out about this they will ask Clickbank
to remove Paypal as payment option from their order form, because to
Paypal it looks like a pyramid scheme.

I am not judging the product just saying that what they are doing is
against Paypal's TOS."

LOL. A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model without providing any real sale of products or services to the public.

Products and services= everything I've written above and much more to come.

I mean if it's "tangible physical products" you're worried, Vick in the future could easily take the 100k in 90 day Global Success Club program and wrap them into dvd's and sell that separately for a much higher price as well as the other marketing skillset trainings. In which you'd have to pay for shipping and handling.

Global Success Club isn't some shady cash gifting pyramid scheme with no actual product or service. They're just digital products and services. In fact, the weekend before official launch of the 100k in 90 day program, Vick made sure he was compliant with FTC regulations.

Also, there is no sort of matrix, two-tier, 5x10 left-leg and right-leg, binary model involved. It's a simple, make a sale, make a commission business model.

When you make a sale (someone takes the free trial), on your Clickbank statement it says "Sale-RB". Keyword, sale.

To add to that, as many know Clickbank doesn't mess around with refunds and they are usually instant. Trust me I know from experience. They don't give you a hard time if you want to cancel and get a refund. They simply refund you and credit you and that's it.

If it were against Paypal's TOS they would have already done something about it, as there are several transactions i.e. sending and receiving money that have already been going on. It's not as if Paypal's staff are just in the dark and a few months go by and they realize

"ohh yea this guy here, we gotta shut him down guys, look all he's got is Les Brown interviews, yea violation of policy".

Again, the products and services are clearly outlined, although digital, they are still of value to the public minus shipping and handling costs are they not?

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affhelper

10 years ago

Originally Posted by donsean

LOL. A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model without providing any real sale of products or services to the public.

Sorry to break your bubble but when you buy into something
to turn around and promote the same thing then it can get you
in trouble with Paypal.

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Jeremy Kelsall

10 years ago

Jesus - the affiliates are out in full force in the review threads...I clicked links in the positive reviews...guess where I went?

I'm guessing that one of the ways that GSC teaches people to refer others to GSC is through forum posting?

hehe

Also, am I the only one that finds it kind of weird that Jason and Don posted the same thing in the beginning of the thread...almost like it is a scripted reply?

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affhelper

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Jesus - the affiliates are out in full force in the review threads...I clicked links in the positive reviews...guess where I went?

I'm guessing that one of the ways that GSC teaches people to refer others to GSC is through forum posting?

hehe

Also, am I the only one that finds it kind of weird that Jason and Don posted the same thing in the beginning of the thread...almost like it is a scripted reply?

No Jeremy it's not weird, they are trying to promote it.

After I took a closer look at it, it is in fact a biz opp sold through
Clickbank LOL

When you go there it has a picture of "your" sponsor and the usual
stuff like "Opportunity", "Products", "Meet the CEO"

I am surprised that Clickbank approved it. By the way it takes only
one person to report this to Paypal for them to take action.

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donsean

10 years ago

Sorry to break your bubble but when you buy into something
to turn around and promote the same thing then it can get you
in trouble with Paypal.

If you don't mind could you help me find under what section of the Paypal TOS documentation this is under?

I've been trying to locate the exact wording of what you're referring to as far as promoting the same thing as a violation and can't seem to find it.

If it indeed is the case that promoting the same thing as an affiliate is a violation of Paypal's TOS because to them it "looks to them like a pyramid scheme" and they request Clickbank to remove Paypal as a payment option, I suppose it would cause a nuisance as many people use Paypal.

But it wouldn't make the Global Success Club business itself a pyramid scheme, as there is a legitimate product and service involved. The education acquired is of value to many and can and should be applied to building one's own personally branded products and services. There is nothing fraudulent or unlawful occurring.

On your product "Easy Pay Blueprint", there is a paypal button and doing a Google search for that very keyword there is a review blog with an affiliate selling your product. Would that be againt paypal's TOS?

I'm guessing that one of the ways that GSC teaches people to refer others to GSC is through forum posting?

Hmmm. Actually no, I don't see any particular forum marketing training back there in the marketing skillsets section and it hasn't been presented as of yet on any of the 100k in 90 days program videos.

When and if forum marketing posting training is added, I'd gladly welcome it as it would help a lot of people on low budgets take advantage of free marketing strategies.

Also, am I the only one that finds it kind of weird that Jason and Don posted the same thing in the beginning of the thread...almost like it is a scripted reply?

I can assure you 100% that I originally wrote post #6 and that the reason imo for Jason copying my post and editing his original post #4 is because he saw value in what I was saying and thought it was well written and wanted to use it to link to his squeeze page... because looks like he merely switched out the links. Now I want you to notice the differences between my original post and his:

1. The first hyperlink in my post links to another section to a different Global Success Club thread in the Warrior Forum. His links to his squeeze page which was NOT intended in mine in that particular hyperlink as the text before it reads

"Hi folks,

I've just posted in another thread surrounding some questions people may be pondering about Global Success Club. I'll admit to you right now that I am an affiliate.

So while it may be viewed as biased I suggest you read it here: Global Success Club"

Whereas his text reads

"Actually, their system is really great you can try it out for only $1. If you like it then you decide if you wanna become a full time member, if not then it's up to you.What's the best thing in GSC aside from sure investment is that you can have access to the webinar of Frank Kern, Tony Robins and Eben Pagan.

I'll admit to you right now that I am an affiliate.

So while it may be viewed as biased I suggest you read it here: Global Success Club"

Clearly, the part on Jason's copied post of mine where it says "I suggest you read it here" doesn't make any logical sense since if one had the intention to just link to a squeeze page in that particular instance I think it would make more sense to say

"I suggest you take a look at the program/business/opportunity here:"

"I suggest you check it out here"

I've never really seen a lead in to a hyperlink say "read it here"

2. At the time of making my post on 3/11/2011 I stated

"For me personally as you'll read in the thread, I've made a little over $400 so far, not a bad start and I did it all by blogging and video marketing, with some social media."

Which is exactly how I did. Also in post #6 I hyper linked to my blog at the bottom of the post. Where it says "You can read my blog here: Real Global Success Club Review"

In Jason's post #4 I see no blog linked, just his (or her...makemoneywithcassiejones ?) squeeze page link.

The $1 14 day trial is hyperlinked in my post. His isn't.

3. Finally, the last sentence in my original post states

"Again here's the thread that may answer some of your concerns if you're still kicking around the idea about joining: Global Success Club 100k in 90 Days!"

With the original intention of linking to the other GSC post in the WF. His again links to his squeeze page.

So Jeremy I agree with you as far as it being weird, because I hadn't noticed that before, so thanks for bringing it to my attention. Scripted though? Hardly. Copied from me. Absolutely.

Affhelper. Yes of course, I'm trying to promote it. Why wouldn't I? It's valuable to people.

After I took a closer look at it, it is in fact a biz opp sold through
Clickbank LOL

And? Curious as to why you find that humorous?

When you go there it has a picture of "your" sponsor and the usual
stuff like "Opportunity", "Products", "Meet the CEO"

What does the "your" imply. Yes I'm a sponsor. A great one. Usual stuff? Haha so you're eeking at something that is well organized and developed for people in order to get a clearer picture and have more information of what's available to them?

(Btw, side note, Frank Kern's core influence training included back there is awesome! Such a beast.)

Eek implies "scared" "startled" and as far as that goes for everyone reading around thinking that there is somehow something to be afraid of...there simply isn't.

The only thing "scary" is the thought of some people being so overly doubtful that they never even try.

I mean currently there is an entire 2 week free trial that you can take advantage of and give a full shot at Global Success Club.

Seems pretty straightforward to me:

A. Give it a full shot for 2 weeks, build list, make sales, at very least break even to cover membership cost after 14 days.

B. Give full 2 week shot, decide not for you for whatever reason if charged the following day, request clickbank refund. Done. Only loss=time investment

C. Go through it not for 2 full weeks, cancel before trial period up=no charge.

A > B,C

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by donsean

If you don't mind could you help me find under what section of the Paypal TOS documentation this is under?

I've been trying to locate the exact wording of what you're referring to as far as promoting the same thing as a violation and can't seem to find it.

From their site: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/websc.../terms-outside

"You also agree not to use your PayPal account to sell goods with delivery dates delayed more than 20 days from the date of payment, or to sell securities, business opportunities, franchises or multi-level marketing or goods with delivery delayed more than 20 days from the date of payment."

But it wouldn't make the Global Success Club business itself a pyramid scheme, as there is a legitimate product and service involved. The education acquired is of value to many and can and should be applied to building one's own personally branded products and services. There is nothing fraudulent or unlawful occurring.

I didn't say it is a pyramid scheme, I said "to Paypal" it might look
like one.

On your product "Easy Pay Blueprint", there is a paypal button and doing a Google search for that very keyword there is a review blog with an affiliate selling your product. Would that be againt paypal's TOS?

That's different, they buy the product and download it. If they want to
be an affiliate that's fine.

GSC promotes the affiliate program (sells it) and that's where you can
get in trouble.

Look I am not saying GSC is bad or whatever, all I am trying to
tell you is that if some uninformed Paypal employee looks at this they
might assume it's a biz opp and not an actual product.

That's all I'm saying

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10 years ago

From their site: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/websc.../terms-outside

"You also agree not to use your PayPal account to sell goods with delivery dates delayed more than 20 days from the date of payment, or to sell securities, business opportunities, franchises or multi-level marketing or goods with delivery delayed more than 20 days from the date of payment."

Thanks for locating that, I appreciate it. The part I'm confused about though, after the bold highlight of business opportunities, franchises or multi-level marketing or goods with delivery delayed more than 20 days from the date of payment.

So my interpretation of this is you agree not to use your Paypal account to sell all of the outlined above with delivery delayed more than 20 days from the date of payment.

So my thoughts are the goods and biz opp is delivered immediately after prospects sign up to take the free trial even before the $97 payment after their trial is up.

I didn't say it is a pyramid scheme, I said "to Paypal" it might look
like one.

And I didn't say that you said it was one either. I simply stated what you quoted me on

"But it wouldn't make the Global Success Club business itself a pyramid scheme, as there is a legitimate product and service involved. The education acquired is of value to many and can and should be applied to building one's own personally branded products and services. There is nothing fraudulent or unlawful occurring."

In order to draw a distinction between a fraudulent pyramid scheme and a legitimate business. And if it looked like a pyramid scheme to paypal, I would imagine that they would scrutinize it thoroughly to make sure the GSC is compliant with their TOS versus just hastily glancing over it and deciding it looks like a pyramid scheme and requesting Clickbank to remove the paypal button.

If that were the case, paypal would be losing business as they earn revenue from transaction fees.

That's different, they buy the product and download it. If they want to
be an affiliate that's fine.

GSC promotes the affiliate program (sells it) and that's where you can
get in trouble.

Maybe that's the case, but based on the TOS section you pasted though it doesn't necessarily spell out that promoting and selling an affiliate program can get you into trouble. It could be argued that one could also use the training, materials, tools, education and coaching for their own business and aren't obligated to promote GSC, which is true.

For example, if I as an affiliate decided not to promote GSC, but still paid the membership fee and utilized the training, materials, tools, education and coaching for my own projects I could do that.

So if there is another section outlining where this is a direct violation of their TOS thus resulting in termination of use of paypal's service in conjunction with promotion of the particular biz opp, well then yes Vick should read over it and coordinate with paypal to make sure GSC is in good standing with paypal, as it would cause a nuisance for all parties not being able to make transactions with paypal.

Look I am not saying GSC is bad or whatever, all I am trying to
tell you is that if some uninformed Paypal employee looks at this they
might assume it's a biz opp and not an actual product.

Well if the Paypal employee is uninformed on what constitutes a violation of TOS or not, maybe they shouldn't be working there and I would think that a higher authority or some sort of consumer protection department would make a fully analyzed decision before taking action.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by donsean

Well if the Paypal employee is uninformed on what constitutes a violation of TOS or not, maybe they shouldn't be working there and I would think that a higher authority or some sort of consumer protection department would make a fully analyzed decision before taking action.

Are you willing to bet your income on what you think PayPal "should do"?

Testimonials are on the site are interesting.

There's one from Charlie Page, the founder of The Directory Of Ezines - he's been around for a long time, but I don't know much about him other than that.

There are some people just talking about getting 1 sale or some clicks initially, which is nice to see rather than I made 10 billion over night.

There are some potentially risky testimonials up from an FTC standpoint mentioning specific income amounts that potentially violate the FTC's No Safe Harbor rule.

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I don't think it's a "forget to tell you" about aweber, it's just that aweber or any AR is such a standard thing in the IM industry it's like it's already assumed that you know you'll be needing your basic tools with well any program which are hosting, AR, domain name. Also if you took the $1 trial then it's not as if Vick forgot to tell you about aweber since it's right there in the instructions as the first thing you do is to set up your aweber account.

He probably should change the video testimonial from Jon McNeil that says, "there's nothing more to join".

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donsean

10 years ago

LOL. And why would I make a silly illogical bet like that? That statement makes absolutely no sense to me.

Why would anybody bet their entire income on what they "think Paypal should do?"

It wouldn't matter because I would be going into the bet with 100% negative odds of winning.

It's an opinion. I stated "maybe they shouldn't be working" because I would think that if it were a random misinformed paypal employee that had the ability to remove Paypal buttons from Clickbank because "they thought it looked like a pyramid scheme" it would cause a negative precedent for many other similar businesses that are legitimate.

Now I'm not a Paypal expert claiming for a fact to know what they can and can't do. I'm simply expressing an opinion that allowing a misinformed employee to have such power would be extremely careless and unsystematic.

So point is just because I have an opinion of a misinformed employee not working there, and they hypothetically DID have this misinformed employee working there with the authority to do what we've talked about, then it would still happen and I would still lose the bet.

It would be like me saying "I think Paypal should change their entire white background to green" then you saying "Are you willing to bet your income on what you think Paypal should do?"

=no logic

There's one from Charlie Page, the founder of The Directory Of Ezines - he's been around for a long time, but I don't know much about him other than that.

You don't know much about me either and likewise I don't know much about you. Nor do I know much about Kevin Riley, Beth & Doug Becker, Holley Cutter or Tom Munson and whaddya know Paul Schlegel himself on the aff sales page you promote "Niche Blitzkrieg" which also leads to a Clickbank order form So what's your point?

There are some people just talking about getting 1 sale or some clicks initially, which is nice to see rather than I made 10 billion over night.

Huh? What are you referring to GSC, some people talking about getting 1 sale and some initial clicks?

Nobody ever said they were making 10 billion overnight. As far as it being "nice" to see people talking about getting 1 sale and some initial clicks, well you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

To me it sounds unmotivating and not exciting, both of which (motivation and excitement) are key factors in selling ANYTHING.

While I do agree that many business opportunities state some far-fetched things in our industry and promise millions with just a click of a button like you see all over the place, I also think that being dull and non-exciting and non-enthusiastic would make anything you're trying to sell go bankrupt faster than a New York minute.

While I realize that on a previous squeeze page headline Vick said "This makes up to 11k per day" yes. FOR HIM. So it's up to the viewer to draw the distinction.

You'll also note that nowhere did I make any outlandish claims of doing so either.

From my previous post "I've made a little over $400 so far, not a bad start and I did it all by blogging and video marketing, with some social media. Furthermore my list is growing daily and I'm happy about that"

There are some potentially risky testimonials up from an FTC standpoint mentioning specific income amounts that potentially violate the FTC's No Safe Harbor rule.

So I did a Google search, searching the exact keyword phrase "FTC no safe harbor rule" and came up with mixed results and not necessarily what I was looking for.

So I went to your blog

"FTC Bureau of Consumer Protection describes as follows: "...the use of a disclaimer such as "results not typical" is no longer a safe harbor for the claims made in testimonials. Third, while you may use atypical or best-case testimonials, if you do, you should clearly and conspicuously disclose the generally expected
results consumers can expect in the depicted circumstances. Of course, the best practice, and the less risky practice, is to use testimonials that actually reflect what your product or services is likely to deliver. In other words, rather than run ads that give with one hand but take away with the other, it would be better for your ads to give a clear picture of the results a consumer will
actually get."

Going over the entire Global Success Club testimonials page other than Charlie Page's (which makes sense because he's got a big list and is a well known marketer) "over 10k a month in sales" and a few other testimonials the only one I saw that could be considered a potential violation are:

"

I built a list of over 4,000 subscribers and made close to $5,000 already - FIRST MONTH!

-- Zack Potash"

and

I can't thank you enough man. This is by far the easiest thing ever that makes money! I joined 4 days ago and today I'm showing $760.41 PROFIT!

-- Tony Valencia "

So in my opinion, Tony's, Zack's and Charles's could be presented as more realistic and reasonable if they stated how these perhaps non-typical results were achieved. Then again maybe they don't need to. I don't know. For Tony's and Zack's who knows maybe they had a decent sized advertising budget to start with and utilized solo ads, media buys, or other paid advertising. Maybe they already had big lists.

The point is, there really isn't any testimonial on there that implies you're going to make bazillions overnight. Should the testimonials that you're referring or that I'm referring to jeopardize good standing with the FTC then I think Vick should look into it.

All I know is that, before the launch Vick pushed it back just a few more days to make sure that he has complied with the FTC's policies to the best of my knowledge, since it was announced weeks ago.

He probably should change the video testimonial from Jon McNeil that says, "there's nothing more to join".

I'm not even sure which video testimonial you're referring to, but I'm positive Jon was referring to there is nothing more to join as far the business itself.

Furthermore, you take the $1 14 day trial. Watch the welcome video, which instructs you to immediately get your GSC business set up (IF you want to promote GSC, if not and you already have an autoresponder and your own personal business, you can just simply skip that part and get on the 100k in 90 day program and apply what you learn to your own product/service...hope it converts well...remember it says "Become Our Business Partner" not like you're obligated to become a business partner if you don't want to) and teaches people how to set up their autoresponder with aweber, their domain, their hosting and squeeze page.

So it's not like you're risking anything. if one interpreted it to be

"nothing more to join oh look, there is something more to join, WTF?!!? I have to spend more money on an autoresponder, domain name, and other standard business expenses like hosting?!? SCAM!"

Then they could immediately go to Clickbank and cancel their trial before spending another dime.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by donsean

"nothing more to join oh look, there is something more to join, WTF?!!? I have to spend more money on an autoresponder, domain name, and other standard business expenses like hosting?!? SCAM!"

Then they could immediately go to Clickbank and cancel their trial before spending another dime.

I mentioned Charlie Page because it impressed me that he was recommending it and you assumed I was attacking him. I only mentioned I don't know much more than that about him - because I don't.

I mentioned the more realistic testimonials because I thought that was a good sign, but you somehow you took that to mean I was attacking the program.

I mentioned PayPal because they have a history of shutting down programs if they even remotely think the program could violate their terms of service.

I was actually trying to be impartial and helpful. I apologize if I offended you somehow. That wasn't my intent at all.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by donsean

Thanks for locating that, I appreciate it. The part I'm confused about though, after the bold highlight of business opportunities, franchises or multi-level marketing or goods with delivery delayed more than 20 days from the date of payment.

So my interpretation of this is you agree not to use your Paypal account to sell all of the outlined above with delivery delayed more than 20 days from the date of payment.

So my thoughts are the goods and biz opp is delivered immediately after prospects sign up to take the free trial even before the $97 payment after their trial is up.

business opportunities, franchises or multi-level marketing or goods with delivery delayed more than 20 days from the date of payment.

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donsean

10 years ago

I mentioned Charlie Page because it impressed me that he was recommending it and you assumed I was attacking him. I only mentioned I don't know much more than that about him - because I don't.

Fair enough, but the rhetorical question you asked in the beginning about wagering my income for what should paypal do set the tone for the rest of what you said.

I mentioned the more realistic testimonials because I thought that was a good sign, but you somehow you took that to mean I was attacking the program.

Yes. I interpreted that way due to the rhetorical question in the beginning. But anyways it's fine then as what I said now also gives people additional information and a clearer picture.

I mentioned PayPal because they have a history of shutting down programs if they even remotely think the program could violate their terms of service.

Well that sucks if that's the case, I feel that it would have happened already though if GSC was in violation. I'm sure Vick is also well aware of this and has done what's necessary to keep in good standing with them.

And thanks. Good luck with your business as well.

business opportunities, franchises or multi-level marketing or goods with delivery delayed more than 20 days from the date of payment.

It could be interpreted either way. But whether it's biz ops, franchises, mlm or goods with delivery delayed more than 20 days from date of payment. I don't think it matters much since:

1. Goods and services are delivered upon taking the trial.
2. Clickbank has accepted it, therefore GSC has met the vendor and products requirement policy so technically according to Clickbank Global Success Club is considered a product.

So if Paypal were to indeed request Clickbank to remove their services from GSC, so be it. It would cause less payment methods and Paypal is favored due to it's ease of use, but there are other options I'm sure.

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donsean 10 years ago

Reading comprehension fail on donsean's part.

lol that's cute. like I said, could be interpreted either way. Perhaps affhelper is right about it. I said in a previous post that I was confused about it and that's how I interpreted it to be.

Ugh. shame affhelper beat you to your point. Sucks bro, maybe next time.
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10 years ago

Yes, I'm looking for...
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10 years ago

Post above me beat me to my point. Damn it.

Reading comprehension fail on donsean's part.

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10 years ago

Hey Donsean - Any proof that you are earning with this program? Looks like your first post on here was about 1 month ago so that would equate to you having around 30+ members signed up and earning how much a month?

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10 years ago

Hey Donsean - Any proof that you are earning with this program? Looks like your first post on here was about 1 month ago so that would equate to you having around 30+ members signed up and earning how much a month?

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Could show you my clickbank statement, currently yea that's about right 30+ currently rebilling, 71 total results and had a few refunds. You could also view one of the proof checks videos I put on youtube. Yea it's true, fairly new on WF, but I plan on putting out my own stuff and getting more involved with the community.

Working on some of my own stuff now actually.

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10 years ago

As what I understand here, you are making money by selling the same system you bought...I hope I am wrong? Because if Ia m right, then I really hate that program and it is non-sustainable. Again, I hope I am so wrong!

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by AmazingP

As what I understand here, you are making money by selling the same system you bought...I hope I am wrong? Because if Ia m right, then I really hate that program and it is non-sustainable. Again, I hope I am so wrong!

You are not wrong- that is exactly what it is.

Yes- they have some good training and resources available but I have learned FAR more being here than there.

Yes- they teach you how to set everything up, but they also teach you to skirt the double opt-in for Aweber and how to work around getting banned from CL and the like.

Yes- you get a landing page. You buy a domain and they walk you through redirecting it. They also have you automate your aweber with their messages.

Yes- they teach you how to build a list and promote it (actually promoting them) but it's nothing earth shattering- just CL ad's, solo ads, exchanges- the basics.

No- they don't provide good support. Had a LOT of technical issues that they ignored at first and then, when enough people complained, they finally decided to fix it.

No- they don't have any products that they teach you to sell other than membership to GSC. Though they do keep saying that their will be.

Yes- they get a LOT of free advertising for their program because people sign up and follow the instructions for the first few days and set up ads, emails and such- and when they don't keep their membership (and don't change the redirect on their site) it auto redirects to GSC's main landing page.

About the best thing that I got from them was instructions to come here and swap my list (which I didn't do- got hooked reading real ways to make things happen online!).

I have a cancel membership request in right now and am waiting to see if they honor it or not. I had some sales but NONE of them actually billed. Not a single one. I am not saying that there is something fishy there- but...

BTW- they are changing their trial from 14 days to 3- so I expect the hard sell to step up a bit and a lot of people signing up and dropping out pretty quickly because they won't see the results that fast- which means more redirects to their main site and more $ for them...

There are FAR better ways to get in and get started such as learning from the folks here.

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donsean

10 years ago

As what I understand here, you are making money by selling the same system you bought..

Yea, true, selling a membership. Also using what I've learned to market other things, so I've created additional streams of income.

Don't know why you would say non-sustainable though.

Yes- they have some good training and resources available but I have learned FAR more being here than there.

Yes they do, and I've learned a great deal from WF as well and it's an excellent free resource. However, many people may not learn in the same way as you do and it's convenient for them to learn visually in a step-by-step "take you by the hand" manner.

but they also teach you to skirt the double opt-in for Aweber and how to work around getting banned from CL and the like.

So? You could easily just turn back on the double opt-in feature for Aweber if you wish. IMO learning how to work around getting banned from CL is great as it's a high traffic source.

Yes- you get a landing page. You buy a domain and they walk you through redirecting it. They also have you automate your aweber with their messages.

You could make your own too ya know.

Yes- they teach you how to build a list and promote it (actually promoting them) but it's nothing earth shattering- just CL ad's, solo ads, exchanges- the basics.

How far did you get before you threw in the towel? There's FAR more than just the basics.

No- they don't have any products that they teach you to sell other than membership to GSC. Though they do keep saying that their will be.

On last night's webinar Vick secured a 3rd party product that GSC has the right's to use and implement on a method using low cost PPC. I thought that was pretty cool. Also he's currently in the works of building new sales funnels and securing ready-to-go products to use that we'll get 100% commissions on.

No- they don't provide good support. Had a LOT of technical issues that they ignored at first and then, when enough people complained, they finally decided to fix it.

I admit myself, that the support and technical issues were highly annoying. An idea of mine was accepted to implement a 24/7 live chat w/ screen share capabilities similar to something like hostgator's support, which will be really sweet once the transition is made.

I have a cancel membership request in right now and am waiting to see if they honor it or not.

They will, got nothing to worry about, Clickbank will handle that. Usually instantly.

I had some sales but NONE of them actually billed.

Sorry to hear, perhaps you quit to soon and focused heavily on being results oriented.

BTW- they are changing their trial from 14 days to 3- so I expect the hard sell to step up a bit and a lot of people signing up and dropping out pretty quickly because they won't see the results that fast

Since the switch, I've had 3 new sales that are currently on trial. If the results decrease...that's fine, can be split tested between 5 or 7 days, so we'll see.

It's fine to me if those certain types of people sign up and drop out pretty quickly, weeds out "get rich quicker" results oriented people versus process oriented business builders, which I'd much rather network with anyway.

There are FAR better ways to get in and get started such as learning from the folks here.

I agree that WF is a great resource to utilize and network with people and learn. However, as mentioned some people all learn in different ways and may not have the drive and motivation as you do to get involved heavily on the forums here and want step-by-step systems to suit their needs.

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10 years ago

Easy there donsean- Simply stating my opinion and experience with the program. All of what I said was true. You just have a different opinion about some things which is fine.

It's a shame that you can't argue your points without being on the attack.

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donsean 10 years ago

Easy there donsean- Simply stating my opinion and experience with the program. All of what I said was true. You just have a different opinion about some things which is fine.

Easy there? I'm fine. I realize you're stating your opinion. I understand. Nah not on the attack.

It's a shame that you can't argue your points without being on the attack.

You've interpreted it that way, which is also fine, didn't intend for it to be that way, nor was I attacking you. Just talking about my experience and thoughts.
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10 years ago

i joined. I was excited. After reading, I think I will unsubscribe. I do not think it is fine for me to pay $97 every month in order to recruit others to join so that i can make money.

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Oliver Williams 10 years ago

I would like to share my experience with GSC to help and warn all other fellow warriors. To get to the point the self development and mindset training they provide is excellent but thats where it ends. Everything else is a complete shamble. More then 90% of my sign ups cancelled and the reason was because GSC failed to inform people about the addition expenses involved in joining their program. They tell poeple about the monthly expence and claim that there are no additional expences. In reality there are the usual expences such as auto responders and marketing but on top of that every day I was told that I needed to purchase additional advertising and constant marketing services that kept adding up day after day. This is untheical marketing, GSC now claim that they do not do this however that was not the case for me or any of my group. I have also requested a refund for a $99 co op service that I paid for and never recieved of which GSC claim I had never purchased, so after sending them the click bank receipt they said they would forward my refund. Now I have contacted them for an update and they are asking me to send the click bank receipt AGAIN because they are claiming yet again that I had never purchased it. So we are going in circles and it has been over 8 weeks. I have lost all patience with this company and still i have not been refunded. I feel that they have basically lied to me and everyone else so in all honesty I do not have anything good to say about GSC and warn all warriors to beware.
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10 years ago

i joined. I was excited. After reading, I think I will unsubscribe. I do not think it is fine for me to pay $97 every month in order to recruit others to join so that i can make money.

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10 years ago

I've been a member of the GSC for a couple of months, the training is really good and vick takes you through step by step, my main problem is that its too expensive.

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prosper1

9 years ago

GSC started out with enormous potential but due to the way it has been handled it is no longer a program that can be taken seriously.

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prosper1

9 years ago

What I mean by this is that Vick the owner of GSC is completely incompetent..He tells you what you want to hear and fails to follow thru on deadlines..I have never seen Vick come thru on a promise when he says he is going to do it.

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psresearch 9 years ago

Here's what GSC has up now:
"Hey, thanks for stopping by to check out Global Success Club... but unfortunately you missed out on getting in the program at this time."
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