Free Money Formula by Philip Mansour

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Another product with very big claims, but sounds very enticing. Anyone bought and applied the methods? Thanks!
#formula #free #mansour #money #philip
  • Profile picture of the author chuckles
    I haven't bought but his products are just like other "gurus" - very poor value indeed.

    Recommend doing a search in this forum for reviews of his past products.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe118
    My BS-o-meter was completely demolished by this piece of video salesmanship by Philip Mansour -- I want to see a real review of this stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe118
    Free Money Formula JV Contest

    The JV site, it usually tells you much more than the customer-facing sales letter

    Unfortunately not this time
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    • Profile picture of the author chuckles
      Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

      Free Money Formula JV Contest

      The JV site, it usually tells you much more than the customer-facing sales letter

      Unfortunately not this time
      yeah I forgot about checking the jv stuff - so a party at the Playboy Mansion and $10,000 first prize for the best affiliate.

      I didn't notice how many "limited" copies are being sold of this product by the sales letter. In other launches I always think the gurus are so generous to only sell 200 copies and yet give out more in cash prizes to affiliates than they will every make from the 200 copies ;-)
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe118
        Originally Posted by chuckles View Post

        yeah I forgot about checking the jv stuff - so a party at the Playboy Mansion and $10,000 first prize for the best affiliate.

        I didn't notice how many "limited" copies are being sold of this product by the sales letter. In other launches I always think the gurus are so generous to only sell 200 copies and yet give out more in cash prizes to affiliates than they will every make from the 200 copies ;-)
        By the way....

        Playboy Mansion mystery illness solved - BostonHerald.com
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    • Profile picture of the author James Abrams
      Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

      Free Money Formula JV Contest

      The JV site, it usually tells you much more than the customer-facing sales letter

      Unfortunately not this time
      What scares the hell out of me is what he states "You support my launch, I will support yours fully with No Questions Asked!"

      "No Questions Asked" What the hell!? Insert expletive here!

      This is what breeds crap out there!
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      • Profile picture of the author JackTriggs
        Originally Posted by James Abrams View Post

        What scares the hell out of me is what he states "You support my launch, I will support yours fully with No Questions Asked!"

        "No Questions Asked" What the hell!? Insert expletive here!

        This is what breeds crap out there!
        Same here...it's like heck, even if your product is crap, coz you promoted me I'll be sending you traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author SuccessMatrix
    I must say, I'm tempted to buy, since I found some positive reviews that reveal it is actually some facebook marketing automation software.
    I normally ignore this hype sales pages. With P. Mansour I'm not sure, if he would really dare to sell crap. And 2nd reason, because I believe facebook is now the way to go, so probably there is something to learn from here.

    What however still makes me hesitant, is the fact that there are so many upsales (according to the JV page). And I hate nothing more than deciding to buy, only to then learn that my actual purchase is basically useless unless I buy the 'must have' $297 or whatever upsell...
    Now, I don't know if the upsell he has with this product will be an "add-on" or a "must have", so I am still waiting on the fence till I have some more info on that...
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
      Originally Posted by SuccessMatrix View Post

      I must say, I'm tempted to buy, since I found some positive reviews that reveal it is actually some facebook marketing automation software.
      If it does contain some FB automation software, it won't be long before Mr. Mansour receives a cease and desist order, such as the gentlemen that created the FB Ad Manager software.

      Chris
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe118
        Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

        If it does contain some FB automation software, it won't be long before Mr. Mansour receives a cease and desist order, such as the gentlemen that created the FB Ad Manager software.

        Chris
        It does not contain anything about FB. And I wonder how FB would make that C&D stick. I mean, on what grounds? Our lawyers have a bigger dick than your lawyers? Seriously...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ethiccash
    This amazing software is... an Article Submitter. That's it. There's some training as well on how to get faked views for your articles once posted.

    JP
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    • Profile picture of the author eBusinessChamp
      Lol woohoo free cash baby!

      Originally Posted by Ethiccash View Post

      This amazing software is... an Article Submitter. That's it. There's some training as well on how to get faked views for your articles once posted.

      JP
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by Ethiccash View Post

      This amazing software is... an Article Submitter. That's it. There's some training as well on how to get faked views for your articles once posted.

      JP
      Come on dude, just submit some articles and you'll be a millionaire, lol. Heck, you will make between $100 and $500 the first day.

      Probably one of the most disingenuous products I've ever seen.
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  • Profile picture of the author RoyChan
    200 limited copies only. You may actually want to be fast to grab a copy

    I can't figure how they can afford $10,000 cash price and all other bonuses....
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    • Profile picture of the author ben565
      Originally Posted by RoyChan View Post

      200 limited copies only. You may actually want to be fast to grab a copy

      I can't figure how they can afford $10,000 cash price and all other bonuses....
      the sell an unlimited amount of copies,just about every product when launched say there are limited copies,just another sales tactic
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      • Profile picture of the author cadillac48
        You guys are wrong. These GURUS do limit the number of copies they sell! They place the limit on the number that they can sell!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author rangers1958
          Originally Posted by cadillac48 View Post

          You guys are wrong. These GURUS do limit the number of copies they sell! They place the limit on the number that they can sell!!!

          Are you kiddin me? You really believe that? Every "guru" product I've ever seen always has an option usually at the very bottom of the sales page to become an affiliate. That tells you right off the bat that they will sell as many products as they can.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenwarrior
    My BS-O-Meter also blew a head casket

    Looks like myfreemoneyformula is going to walk away with the "Biggest BS Sales Page Of The Year" Oscar Award

    Isn't this the same guy who released a mega banner ads and media buying course last year, now he says "forget about these time wasters"... media buys and banner ads!
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    • Profile picture of the author BruceP
      Originally Posted by kenwarrior View Post

      My BS-O-Meter also blew a head casket

      Looks like myfreemoneyformula is going to walk away with the "Biggest BS Sales Page Of The Year" Oscar Award

      Isn't this the same guy who released a mega banner ads and media buying course last year, now he says "forget about these time wasters"... media buys and banner ads!
      KenWorrior

      I think there is some pretty stiff competition for that Oscar. Check out the sales pages for Wealth in a Box 2.0 & Auto Traffic Xploit. Its going to be a tight race. Probably won't know until Oscar night but I am sure there will be other GURU's wanting to get in on this action.

      Bruce
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    • Profile picture of the author Greenfatman
      Originally Posted by kenwarrior View Post

      My BS-O-Meter also blew a head casket

      Looks like myfreemoneyformula is going to walk away with the "Biggest BS Sales Page Of The Year" Oscar Award

      Isn't this the same guy who released a mega banner ads and media buying course last year, now he says "forget about these time wasters"... media buys and banner ads!
      Yes,he is....
      Is the same guy has been promoting all those horrible push button software every month
      and now he saying on the free money formula video we've been buying all those crap push button software(maybe from him)
      Is it funny or is he treating us like stupid?

      I'm very disappointed with this guy....The only reason I keep him on my email inbox is the cpa thing he sometimes comes with.
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  • Profile picture of the author steveniam
    Philip Mansour has been spamming my mailbox with his products or as an affiliates for other gurus for the last one month

    Just unsubscribe and hopefully will not see his mail again.
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  • Profile picture of the author TOM-M
    I bought 10 if one will make me a million...Imagine what 10 will do
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  • Profile picture of the author PabloVTB
    Hey.. thanks for the honest reviews guys.. These damn sales pages are well done I must say. If they'd invest the same amount of time and money for the product, which should be the core of their business, they could potentially make something worthwhile, and not a bunch of crap
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  • Profile picture of the author ebookjl
    I mean no disrespect to any who have commented but did you notice there was not 1 person that had actually bought the product? (On the other thread for this product there is 1 person that bought the product). There are many assumptions that the sales page and videos cannot be true. (They are written well.) I have been caught by many a sales page and I am a skeptic. On the other hand, I also think that just once in a while there might be a jewel within the smoke. So, I took the leap.

    I do not feel bad about my decision. It is a ClickBank product and it is covered by the guarantee. I have 59 days (now) to ask for a refund. I hope that will not be the case. There are 4 up/down sales before you get to the heart of the product. Had I bought these I would have spent close to 1,000 dollars. I do not have that type of money. Philip seems to indicate that you do not need these extra services to make money. I will try him at his word.

    I do not know Philip except that what I have read in reviews seems to indicate that he is legit. The initial price of the product was not overwhelming. Now I will see if it works.

    I will be back to report on its success or non-success whatever the case may be.

    May you all have a wonderful day!
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    • Profile picture of the author MCDavies
      Originally Posted by ebookjl View Post

      I mean no disrespect to any who have commented but did you notice there was not 1 person that had actually bought the product? (On the other thread for this product there is 1 person that bought the product). There are many assumptions that the sales page and videos cannot be true. (They are written well.) I have been caught by many a sales page and I am a skeptic. On the other hand, I also think that just once in a while there might be a jewel within the smoke. So, I took the leap.

      I do not feel bad about my decision. It is a ClickBank product and it is covered by the guarantee. I have 59 days (now) to ask for a refund. I hope that will not be the case. There are 4 up/down sales before you get to the heart of the product. Had I bought these I would have spent close to 1,000 dollars. I do not have that type of money. Philip seems to indicate that you do not need these extra services to make money. I will try him at his word.

      I do not know Philip except that what I have read in reviews seems to indicate that he is legit. The initial price of the product was not overwhelming. Now I will see if it works.

      I will be back to report on its success or non-success whatever the case may be.

      May you all have a wonderful day!
      I am looking forward to how it all works for you. I know this one seems to be too good to be true. The real test is to see if you can legitimately make some money with out all the additional up sells.

      When I closed out the page I was hit with a free offer to download his "Money Keyword Scraper" software. I've got it downloaded and it's still zipped up. I'm not going to install it until I hear some review on the software itself. Is this one safe? Any issues?

      Thanks,
      Michael
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      • Profile picture of the author jrafique
        Originally Posted by MCDavies View Post


        When I closed out the page I was hit with a free offer to download his "Money Keyword Scraper" software. I've got it downloaded and it's still zipped up. I'm not going to install it until I hear some review on the software itself. Is this one safe? Any issues?

        Thanks,
        Michael
        There is no issue with the software. Software runs directly you have no need to install it even. Its actually a bot built in ubot.
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    • Profile picture of the author psresearch
      Originally Posted by ebookjl View Post

      I mean no disrespect to any who have commented but did you notice there was not 1 person that had actually bought the product?
      That's true and it's a good point. In the past it seemed like mods removed all the comments that didn't have to do with the product itself.

      On the other hand it's interesting that the sales letters are now constructed in a way which seems to provoke these types of discussions more than any time than I can remember over my past 11 years of studying online marketing.
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      • Profile picture of the author psresearch
        I've seen Philip Mansour speak. Seems extremely bright - other than that, I don't know that much about him.

        I do think it's important to give another piece of information on Jamies' Statement:
        "Clickbank is actually very careful about approving salespages, especially in the IM niche. All of those pages you see up there, commission crusher, etc check out and the verbiage is proper!"

        Note: I'm not saying that his statement isn't true. I'm saying that do not assume that EVERY sales letter on ClickBank is using proper verbiage. Also, ClickBank does go to great length to help try to help the online marketing community in the area of self-regulation and consumer protection. They are actively involved in such matters with both the government and educational institutions.

        Also, this post is about taking control of OUR marketplace or at least not letting that control slip away any more than it has to to Federal Law Enforcement.

        So, again the following is NOT about this current sales letter and again ClickBank is actively involved in consumer protection - on the other hand they're HUGE and I'm sure certain things slip through the cracks.

        Also, I am NOT an attorney but I have helped the FTC and the Secret Service on cases and was invited to contribute to a book written by someone who has assigned federal agents from the Secret Service, 3 AGs, 3 U.S. Postal Inspectors, and others he's not permitted to disclose. One of the other 3 contributors was Les Henderson who runs the Crimes Of Persuasion website.

        And I'm NOT here to attack anyone, but it's clear what's happening in the IM space...the FTC and other law enforcement believes the industry is doing a poor job of self-regulation and so they keep raising the bar (in fact they are now more willing than ever to go after affiliates and affiliate networks for claims made by vendors). That sucks, because much of the time it really does seem that the FTC is much more willing to go after the easier targets (the really sharp criminals know how to hide EVERYTHING, including their bank accounts, identities, and corporate details).

        So with that out of the way:

        Obviously the main things we've been seeing on many of the recent ClickBank sales pages are questionable limited quantity offers, limited time price discounts.

        The FTC is extremely clear on this point in the following section from ยง233.5 Miscellaneous price comparisons – within the FTC Guides Against Deceptive Pricing, which states:

        "They should not offer an advance sale under circumstances where they do not in good faith expect to increase the price at a later date, or make a "limited'" offer which, in fact, is not limited. In all of these situations, as well as in others too numerous to mention, advertisers should make certain that the bargain offer is genuine and truthful. Doing so will serve their own interest as well as that of the public."

        Also, sometimes in a sales letter you'll see the product or software "valued at" $197 or some other price, but at the same time the sales letter will claim that the software or product has NEVER been made available to the general public before.

        It's hard for me to understand how this would be in compliance with the FTC's guidelines on former price comparisons:
        FTC GUIDES AGAINST DECEPTIVE PRICING

        There also seem to be numerous sales letters on ClickBank now that are potentially in violation of the FTC's new "No Safe Harbor" Guidelines. Obviously that's not possible to prove, but it seems like a huge stretch that they could be in compliance with such a daunting regulation requiring that they provide "generally expected results".

        The rule for testimonials which David C. Vladeck – Director, FTC Bureau of Consumer Protection – stated in this presentation to the Electronic Retailing Association is that:


        “…the use of a disclaimer such as “results not typical” is no longer a safe harbor for the claims made in testimonials. Third, while you may use atypical or best-case testimonials, if you do, you should clearly and conspicuously disclose the generally expected results consumers can expect in the depicted circumstances. Of course, the best practice, and the less risky practice, is to use testimonials that actually reflect what your product or services is likely to deliver. In other words, rather than run ads that give with one hand but take away with the other, it would be better for your ads to give a clear picture of the results a consumer will
        actually get.”


        I've even seen sales letters on ClickBank tell people they can expect to make $1000/day with a system or that a piece of software generally creates $100 - $500/day.



        Of course there are other aspects of sales letters that don't have to do with Verbiage which it would be hard to see how ClickBank would have any control over - such as fake testimonials.

        And if you're an affiliate, you might want to know that the FTC is more willing than ever to go after affiliates for marketing bogus offers:
        http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus28-advertising-and-marketing-internet-rules-road

        Sellers are responsible for claims they make about their products and services. Third parties - such as advertising agencies or website designers and catalog marketers - also may be liable for making or disseminating deceptive representations if they participate in the preparation or distribution of the advertising, or know about the deceptive claims.
        • Advertising agencies or website designers are responsible for reviewing the information used to substantiate ad claims. They may not simply rely on an advertiser's assurance that the claims are substantiated. In determining whether an ad agency should be held liable, the FTC looks at the extent of the agency's participation in the preparation of the challenged ad, and whether the agency knew or should have known that the ad included false or deceptive claims.
        • To protect themselves, catalog marketers should ask for material to back up claims rather than repeat what the manufacturer says about the product. If the manufacturer doesn't come forward with proof or turns over proof that looks questionable, the catalog marketer should see a yellow "caution light" and proceed appropriately, especially when it comes to extravagant performance claims, health or weight loss promises, or earnings guarantees. In writing ad copy, catalogers should stick to claims that can be supported. Most important, catalog marketers should trust their instincts when a product sounds too good to be true.
        Brian Kindsvater also pointed similar information out in this post:
        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...500-000-a.html

        Where he stated:
        "(*** THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT - THE FTC LAWSUIT CLAIMS A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW BECAUSE THE AFFILIATE DID NOT SUBSTANTIATE THE MERCHANT'S CLAIMS - REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE CLAIM WAS ACTUALLY TRUE OR FALSE ***)"
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        • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
          Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

          Where he stated:
          "(*** THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT - THE FTC LAWSUIT CLAIMS A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW BECAUSE THE AFFILIATE DID NOT SUBSTANTIATE THE MERCHANT'S CLAIMS - REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE CLAIM WAS ACTUALLY TRUE OR FALSE ***)"
          If you were to compare the top sellers of today's marketplace on CB to the marketplace of a few years ago, you would see some major differences..

          The first couple pages of Ebusiness on CB for instance, are usually the most regulated and managed. Its usually a very professional instruction system and company that is able to reach such high ranks on CB. It does have to do with Traffic sources too, who and how it is being marketed, but for the most part, a launch like Phil's is very internet marketing targeted.

          And the bottom line is that Clickbank in general does not blip on the scam alert barometer and yes, in the eyes of the government because of their refund policy. Clickbank is NOT the choice of scammers. This would be like robbing a bank in a mall, not a good get away route! See I guess the FTC likes the fact that in a sea of fraud there is an island where people actually do get their money back! Wow! Thats refreshing! So the little minute details that we all scrutinize do not compare to the monumentally positive practices that are hard to find. If you compare Clickbank and paypal, which is a more common breeding ground for fraud? Paypal of course.

          In fact, you might find that the companies that are breaking multiple laws and get busted use either merchant accounts to make their own rules, or have people send in checks and money orders (Because even with a merchant account its documented and doesn't feel as "safe" to the crook running the scheme.)

          If you use an "all in one solution" like Clickbank its harder to make your own rules and break the law, especially with Clickbank. Ive been robbed time & time again with Paypal and they dont do anything for you. Heck, Ive been straight up robbed and deceived by Google. Again, nothing. When the FTC has mountains of complaints from letter stuffing schemes, Wal Mart, Adwords, Best buy (Oooh I hate bestbuy) and then ZERO from Clickbank, its not really going to be on your priority list. But I do agree, that this should not be taken advantage of and CB does need to be careful that it does not evolve into a situation where scammers find a loophole that do harm to consumers.

          In fact, the complaint form on the FTC website doesnt even have a category that could possibly fit the complaints made from the buyer of a Clickbank product. Perhaps "Email spam" but usually you opted into the list. Telemarketing abuse? no. Identity theft? No. I think it is important to identify the real problem.

          Their system is in fact very perfected, heck they are a few years old and have been able to really construct a good system for compliance and management.

          Some things I have observed..

          1. The top sellers in the "Ebusiness niche" of today's marketplace usually do not have any testimonials, whether true or false. And they are launches, they dont have any testimonials yet! This is one of the reasons why the big launches that are questioned here on WF most of the time check out with Clickbank.

          Im not going to mention names, but there was a launch recently that did have a very big case study and it was real. Video interviews with the customer (Who had made money) and was very well substantiated. This is an exception. Actually having a limited supply, having sold the items at the higher price, actually planning to sell out and you are a good vendor. But that is a good question regarding the testimonials because Clickbank does not verify testimonials (It would be very hard to)

          2. Clickbank frowns upon and discourages vendors from engaging in mainstream products like "work at home" etc. They encourage Internet marketing products where the vendor has made all the money, etc and does not make many claims like "You can make up to $4,373 a day" rather "I made $4,373" and then "You can use my same system" -basically keeping it real and telling the truth, making that separation from the get go.

          3. In email marketing, everyone is putting disclaimers at the bottom of their emails to show they are an affiliate, which you might have seen.

          Exhibit A: An example of a Clickbank site that follows guidelines:

          1. Claims: "I made this amount, you can use my same system." Not "You will make $45,303 if you use this!"
          2. Representation: Sales page represents the product, and has to deliver the product promised. (If you say on your sales page "FB software" and then in the members area its a paid surveys database, Clickbank will not approve it.)
          3. Value: affordable amount (It is difficult to have a high ticket item on Clickbank)
          4. Billing practices: Recurring billing ONLY for legit, recurring products (Everytime you are charged, you receive something)
          5. Refund policy: Refunds for 60 days
          6. Integrity: Vendors using their real names in their brand.
          7. Monetary effects: Not a ton of money made because of the refund policy


          Exhibit B: An example of a fraudulent site that could and should get busted:

          1. Claims: You will make this amount
          2. Representation: Sales page doesnt represent the product, in fact.. There is no product!!
          3. Value: Ridiculous & unaffordable amount for there being no product.
          4. Billing practices: Recurring billing for no reason (Without you knowing)
          5. Refund policy: No refunds, or worse, it said there was a refund and they do not honor it
          6. Integrity: The "guru" is fake and does not exist.. (Its ran by someone who does not know jack about the subject)
          7. Monetary effects: Tons of money made into the millions

          Notice I kept each point in tact, this is what is going on and might explain alot of the questions people have.

          Im not a lawyer, but this is what I have seen in my experience.

          But, anyone of these aspects can occur when an "ethical" guru launches a $1997 product. You might see often that a more respected Guru has not two but THREE of these points.

          Ill give you an example:

          So & so is good at creating a persona of himself that he actually cares about his customers.

          *Since the "ethical guru" IS well respected and his list is extremely targeted, the claims do say "YOU WILL MAKE UP TO"
          *He launches his product at $1997
          *The value is maybe worth $297 (For example, Rosetta stone is freaking AWESOME and doesnt cost a third of what the "ethical" guru charges.)
          *Harder to get a refund
          *Fake name

          Heck, thats like all of Exhibit B!! Its the persona and the well produced product that got him out of that one!

          Regarding CB, They have been very cautious about mainstream work at home products since 2006 when the owners of a site that used Clickbank as their payment processor were sued by the FTC. (This was the last one I had heard of) In this case, the owners of the site were a straight up fraud, but also had records with the FTC prior to being caught and were being monitored by the FTC. They had engaged in letter stuffing schemes four years before operating this scam, where they charged people after making claims they WILL, not can, make their money back because it is a job. Then the customer would receive the kit, start working, submit the work to them and not get paid. They got busted for this, by the Postal Inspection service and the FTC, then four years later they started running a website that again, had no product, made ridiculous claims, and then the FTC nailed the operators of this fraudulent site again! What happened next? They knocked every site similar off of their marketplace and stayed in contact with the FTC and follows their guidelines ever since. A good metaphor for this example was that the owners of that site had a virus and slipped through the approval process. Naturally, they adjusted accordingly.

          This was a good example of Exhibit B.

          There was another case when a well known guy (A very good guy) got busted by the FTC on a small level. But again, there were special circumstances. He sold a legit IM product but made the mistake of encouraging his customers to use his sales page for their own purposes. The result was that 10,000 of his customers were publishing his sales page with his name on it. So when they broke the law, the complaints were in his name! Talk about 100,000 complaints to AG, FTC and all over complaint boards! He caught the attention of the FTC and didnt even know it.

          I think this one example was one of the ONLY cases where the defendant did not especially deserve it. 99% of the other cases taken on by the FTC in fact did deserve it (In my opinion) and were straight up scams.

          This example was similar to Exhibit B, but indirectly.

          Also, on another interesting note, when you apply for merchant accounts with certain companies, you might find the "site approval process" alot stricter than clickbank as well. Usually because the merchant providers are under more heat because they have been used by serious offenders that did not give refunds, billed people without their consent, etc. If you apply for a merchant account with powerpay they do not even allow you to make it a high pressure situation at all. I had a product that had limited inventory but they would not allow me to put the word "limited" at all. In this same instance, I had real testimonials, again, couldn't use them even though visitors want to see testimonials like crazy.

          I think you will soon see CB not allow scarcity not even in the slightest bit, hint, or explanation of why you are limiting it, especially if people abuse the system. The merchant accounts usually do not allow scarcity and this might just be overlooked when there just arent any complaints. But you should try running a site where you are building websites and you do in fact sell out. Talk about angry people! But I agree, a major indicator of a fraud is when you are being pressured into something especially during a telemarketing call or a piece of mail that is intruding into your life. Explaining that your website is in fact.. A website and you reserve the right to sell out, take it down, change it or switch the price is a bit different than what scammers are doing out there with high pressure sales tactics that actually cause harm to consumers, rather than simply communicate that this is intellectual property and can be taken down.

          Vendors deal with fraud done by users of websites and people with credit cards all the time.

          Some of which are:

          *Leaked documents (Intellectual property theft)
          *Credit card fraud
          *Chargebacks
          *Refund abuse
          *Spam
          *Trademark Infringement
          *Copyright infringement
          *Harassment

          And that case of the "CPA Marketer" was a little more than just "Being a CPA marketer."

          Two words:

          Incoming calls
          Debt relief.

          (Ok, four words)

          I guess our posts were originally intended to discuss the current atmosphere in IM and these recent launches, and we both went off on a tirade, me playing devil's advocate.. but back to the subject at hand, my opinion is these sites dont especially fall into the category of fraud or break the law. For the most part, they are like the products I explained in "Exhibit A." (Yes everyone should follow the law.) Special circumstances might allow harm to come from our Internet Marketing Instruction atmosphere at anytime, but more unlikely then you would think because the targeting is more concentrated to the internet marketing niche and not mainstream where there is collateral damage and people get hurt, resulting in excessive complaints.

          Its cause & effect..

          Good debate, Thanks! Im hitting the sack.
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          • Profile picture of the author psresearch
            Good points, Jamie and again it's not about attacks but more about not losing the market to more law enforcement which also sounds like what you're saying as well.

            It's also not about "Vendors deal with fraud all the time". That's ALSO attempting to be dealt with in the intellectual property arena. That's really an entirely different issue that has NOTHING to do with the core issue here. But it IS a REAL issue. Just a different one.

            The overzealous chargeback issue is another matter - I'm not sure where that stands now - but I would imagine it's more of a problem than ever - especially since recently it seems that the CC companies are more willing to side with consumers (probably because of their joint efforts with the FTC?).

            And I think it's important that CB is probably more influential than many people think. Why else would they be invited by Stanford to speak at their annual entrepreneur's conferences:
            http://www.clickbank.com/blog/tag/stanford/

            And CB does a TON to keep their house & the general marketplace clean with gov regulators. Let's make no mistake about it...CB is probably one of the SAFEST places for a consumer to buy a product in the digital marketplace.

            But before I go on, let's take a look at a recent case that involved MULTIPLE sales letters for digital products being sold through the ClickBank marketplace:
            http://www.atg.wa.gov/pressrelease.aspx?id=25300

            "Vassallo and Smith will pay more than $14,000 in restitution, to be distributed as refunds to Washington consumers who paid for their e-books through PayPal or ClickBank. They’ll also pay nearly $25,000 to reimburse the state for attorneys’ fees and legal costs. The Attorney General’s Office agreed to suspend a $200,000 civil penalty provided the defendants comply with the settlement."

            Here's an example of the type of sales letter in question:
            http://atg.wa.gov/uploadedFiles/Home...screenshot.pdf

            And if you take a look at the actual complaint, you'll see there were MULTIPLE sales letters in question:
            http://atg.wa.gov/uploadedFiles/Home...2009-08-04.pdf

            Four other especially noteworthy aspects of this case are:

            1) The operation originated out of Australia and was a cooperative effort between the U.S. & Australia -

            http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.../itemId/889908

            This is the kind of case that was envisioned by the Safe Web Act that was
            signed into law in 2006:
            http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:S1608:

            2) The Washington AG filed independently

            3) It involved VERY LOW Ticket items (i.e. - not boiler rooms, inbound calls, or debt relief).

            Yes, it's true that the FTC loves a good refund policy. But I think we're heading to the "Oh, it can't happen to me/us" point...when it's ALREADY starting to happen.

            In fact, I used to say people worried too much about the FTC for the very reasons you've mentioned - that they only want to go after the most nefarious violators - the flogs with no disclaimers, the hidden negative option offers.

            But the times they are a changing.

            I'm in the hotbed of a person who deals with multiple law enforcement agencies and it's clear that what used to be aint going to be any more (if we're not careful) and my fear is that people are going to think that the FTC will continue to be "happy" when we've seen them increasingly becoming more "unhappy" (their words, not mine).

            So when you say that CB is going to put the skids on fake scarcity - whey do you think they're doing that? My guess: Because they know the FTC is going to eventually become TOO "unhappy" about it. They also know that the FTC is more willing to go after the GATEKEEPERS now - a trend that started with the FTC vs MoneyGram case (a more obvious slam dunk, but now the SEC is talking about making MUCH more use of the Misprision Of A Felony law in the financial fraud sector & the FTC is now more willing to go after the GateKeepers as well).

            I want to reiterate that this isn't about anyone in particular - just an overall trend towards more regulation that would be nice to stop. That's why I do the sales letter reviews and launch reviews at my site. People need to wake up before it's too late.

            Because this isn't just about the "IM" marketplace - it's about more and more and more regulation in general.

            If this interest you I highly recommend you find Brian Kindsvater's posts and get his views on this and his opinions (as much as he's laid them out which isn't much) about encroaching on commercial free speech.

            I remember when myself and others posted here WELL before the revised testimonial & endorsement rules went into effect and told people they had a chance to make their voice HEARD by submitting their comments.

            People ignored ALL of that information.

            Then they were shocked & angered when they were "surprised" about the new endorsement and testimonial guidelines.

            And the FTC may be happy about refund policies and guarantees...but they are also making the marketplace INCREASINGLY skeptical of such refunds and guarantees and they will be putting more and more information out telling people to ignore them. So while CB has great refund policies that are over-slanted towards the consumer perhaps, the NEWBIES often have no idea of that fact. In fact the WebOfTrust (which has it's place, but is deifnitely a flawed concept) has made the ridiculous decision to FLAG any product using the CB marketplace as untrustworthy.

            Tale a look at this recent FTC Vid:
            Operation Empty Promises

            Now the cases he's talking about were the dark end of the spectrum (the usual and traditional)...nowhere close to anything you'd see on ClickBank - but listen to what he says about guarantees & tell me if that message continues to go out if consumers are really going to just assume CB is different than any other platform?

            He's telling people "don't rely on guarantees or refund policies". Once that message gets pushed through the media just like the "never pay for a job" message did THAT is what is on the consumers mind - not whether they are buying through ClickBank or not.

            And it doesn't matter if one message is universal (never pay to work for an employer) and one is conditional. Consumers aren't going to think in terms of "don't rely on guarantees...unless you're in this market, that market...ClickBank is great, but it's NOT the same as a site like Amazon in the consumers' minds).

            What will they remember if this message keeps getting out?

            "Don't rely on guarantees and moneyback policies" (which they shouldn't, but let's face it...they do and it's a HUGE part of conversion rates).
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            • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
              Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

              Good points, Jamie and again it's not about attacks but more about not losing the market to more law enforcement which also sounds like what you're saying as well.
              Its absolutely not about Clickbank Vendors being Immune, rather the sites in question are following the law. Sure there might be occasional hypertext that is questionable, but when you have all of those factors I illustrated in that example Exhibit A, which is a recipe for a happy consumer base, and you are not breaking the laws.. to be put in the same pot as a phony cancer cure selling 60,000 units isnt gonna work.

              "How to cure cancer" is a niche that I explain in my tutorials to NEVER get into for this reason. When people are dying of cancer, and you make money off that and you arent a doctor? Of course you are going to go down. In fact, I would stay away from all medical niches.

              The Ebiz niche aint that bad. I mean we could argue the fact that the big big Biz op CPA boys should follow in the footsteps of the Ebiz market but they are happy with their 2 Mil a month revenues targeting people who are down on their luck and when policy changes, there is higher probability it will be because of them, not the Affiliate marketing software products. (And remember, Clickbank tries very hard to self-regulate) Its a very good effort. If one slips through the cracks and does damage, hopefully they will rectify it.

              But Ill tell you one thing, those big big scams are taking people for a ride and we are sure to hear about more of them being taken down and the industry will change more & more.

              I think this debate came from the fact there is an influx of spam on these threads from people who are misinformed and angry and it discourages actual users from posting their experience. It has also discouraged the vendors themselves from actively participating as well.

              Sure it is a great idea to discuss the sales pages and tactics and the law should be respected. Thanks for the chance to discuss this with you.
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  • Profile picture of the author SuccessMatrix
    Further above I posted, that according to reviews I've found, it seems to be something around facebook, and automating traffic from it.

    Now the ones on the forum here who know better, say it is an article submission or even video/podcast submission software.

    Now I really wonder, if the sales page is "blind" = not giving details what is inside, why the heck must people who promote it actually tell incorrect things as well?

    Here is one of the "reviews" I found talking about facebook:
    Free Money Formula Review

    Here is an excerpt form the above article:

    "So what is Free Money Formula all about?

    In a nutshell, it is a step-by-step training guide (consisting of videos + manuals) that teaches people how to generate FREE TRAFFIC to their websites. BUT, it is NOT the typical traffic-getting methods like SEO, PPC, Media Buys, Web 2.0, Bookmarking, Article Marketing, Forum Marketing, etc. All these old ways of generating traffic do work but they also requires you to spend a lot of time and money.


    Philip Mansour has developed an automated traffic tool that he calls as "Facebook's VIRAL traffic'. The tool allows you to take advantage of the massive amount of traffic that already exists in Facebook, what you need to do is just flip the switch and reroute the traffic to your websites.


    Now here's what you won't be doing: You won't have to generate this viral traffic manually. What this traffic tool does, is find existing traffic in facebook AUTOMATICALLY and then redirect them to your designated websites. .."

    ...What info online to rely on anyway...??
    Of course I believe the knowing people here on the thread, who have 1st hand info over some promotional article!

    And what really starts to annoy me, and seems to get worse and worse in the make-money-niche is this no-info-upfront and now even wrong-info-upfront mentality is that this seems to be very much increasing.

    On the other hand negative reviews are not welcome, since you're not allowed to accuse someone too much for your own failure = if you purchased a product, and did not have success with it. Then it's "your fault" + cannot be blamed on the product creator.



    MY SAFETY FORMULA:
    I guess a wise strategy to go with is to simply NEVER buy a launch product from a blind sales page, but rather bookmark the offer, and if in 4-6 weeks you are still interested only buy it, if you will be able to find some real success reports from users.

    And btw. over a year ago I have created a "Buy?" folder in my bookmarks. And I ONLY bookmark what I reviewed and decided that is worth my serious consideration, but I am either not yet sure if to buy now, OR have no time to implement it instantly (if you will not go use a product in 24-48hours - don't buy!!) => My "Buy?" folder is a "maybe"-folder.

    And you know what?! It Is SHOCKING what amount of bookmarks I collected there! And most of them are either not so relevant any more. Or, if I was able to do without them by now - probably I don't really need them at all! This method saved me $1000s of dollars on not really needed utilities! And I love to look back remembering how exciting each product appeared to me, when in reality I can obviously excellently live without.

    And if some of those bookmarked products are still on my serious wish list, guess what, even after a year, they are STILL available. (And those which vanished probably would not have been worth the investment anyway)

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  • Profile picture of the author davidpur
    this is work for someone? ...
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  • Profile picture of the author furic
    The problem with this post (and the other one like it) is that none (NONE!) of you talk about what the product *is* or why it does or doesn't work. All you do is complain about sales tactics. A couple people say they bought the product but still haven't come back to report on it. So, basically, this is a rant-fest.

    While I also am not buying the product yet--for the same reasons others point out--I'm not bringing my bitterness from being burnt in the past by other "gurus" to this post.

    That being said, I've purchased Phil's products in the past and was generally happy with them. The guy *does* seem to offer good and often no-widely-known information. But, I'm disappointed that he's using tactics that other sketchy "guru's" get slammed for. And, he's not stupid. He knows people go to the WarriorForum to find out about products so why wouldn't he come in here and stand up for his product; since he doesn't indicate what it is on the sales page? That's the part that gives me pause.

    So, please stop making comments that aren't helpful or start your own rant post about guru techniques that annoy you (where I don't have to read them.)

    /rant

    P.S. I don't consider a PRLog review a credible source of information.
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    • Profile picture of the author SuccessMatrix
      Originally Posted by furic View Post

      ........
      /rant

      P.S. I don't consider a PRLog review a credible source of information.

      Exactly. That's the point. Where DO you find reliable information?

      Obviously affiliates will not promote a product by saying it is useless. At the best they might honestly list pros and cons.

      And yes, I agree a place like the Warrior Forum could be a good resource.

      And from my point of view SHARING OPINIONS about a product in a forum is perfectly OK. Information like "I have purchased from so-and-so earlier and his stuff is usually good/bad", helps the ones who never heard about that person get an orientation.

      1) For me personally reading the posts here + combined with my own research ALREADY WAS HELPFUL! I formed my opinion from several info sources now. (= I will not buy.)

      2) Instead of complaining that not many buyers are posting here (you cannot force them to), also gives me a clue - Obviously there are not many raving fans out there... And those who purchased say it is article/video submission software. So make your own conclusions from this, if you want this product.

      Or just wait a few weeks, the product is too fresh - maybe in a few weeks users will be able to report tremendous results.
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      • Profile picture of the author cherman
        Ok guys, I bought this the other day. I don't have a lot of time, but I will say that I think it's crap, and this is coming from someone who has bought (and gotten refunds for) 4 other products sold making the same claims with the same kind of sales material. I bought simply because of the respect I had for him, thinking he might actually provide value.

        How upset am I? Well, I think I was on every one of Philip Masour's lists... until now. I am in the process of removing myself from his lists. I had a lot of respect for him, but not anymore.

        It's a couple basic tools that will submit articles and videos. You can get free tools to do what these do. As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with FB. The training videos are disjointed and they don't go over anywhere near enough info to help you effectively use their software. There are a couple upsells - $197 for campaigns and $497 for coaching, if I remember right.

        And possibly the worst thing is that I submitted a help email a few days ago, and resubmitted it the next day and told them I would request a refund if I didn't get a response within 48 hours. No response. Getting refund today. I think he even mentions customer support in his video. Go figure.

        BTW, in my humble opinion, you REALLY can tell what you're going to get when a marketer markets the way that Philip has done (and SO many others). 5 in a row for me. It's good for marketers to "rant" a little. It might help those who don't have a lot of experience in buying products and services.

        To our success!
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        • Profile picture of the author SuccessMatrix
          Clint - THANKS A LOT for taking the time to share your experience! Truly appreciated.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
            Originally Posted by furic View Post

            The problem with this post (and the other one like it) is that none (NONE!) of you talk about what the product *is* or why it does or doesn't work. All you do is complain about sales tactics. A couple people say they bought the product but still haven't come back to report on it. So, basically, this is a rant-fest.

            I know from experience, even when I chose to participate in discussions of my own products, which I work very hard on btw.. In a couple of my review threads, the thread ends up looking like Im arguing with myself because the person "reviewing my salespage" was abusive, was kicked off the forum and all of his posts erased leaving me getting all pissed off post after post. LOL

            Clickbank is actually very careful about approving salespages, especially in the IM niche. All of those pages you see up there, commission crusher, etc check out and the verbiage is proper! If its a clickbank site, and they bill you without you knowing, or the product doesnt match the members area, CB can kick off the vendor so you better believe all those sites on there are legit. Vendors know what they are doing (For the most part) Think about it. When a Vendor is getting ready for a launch, and anticipating 20,000 units being sold the first week, CB is up their (you know what) with a magnifying glass.

            This is why (In comparison to alot of the scams out there) alot of the complaining on this forum is either obviously emotional stuff, OR just misinformed individuals. Most of the "complaints" seem to occur from people who haven't even bought the product and just assume its fraudulent, when if you ever met Mansour, the kid is DEFINITELY someone you either want to A. Know, B. Learn from C. buy his product. You are lucky to have guys like Mansour that publish material and their secrets so you can learn from it and use it. And we all know you can get a refund if you dont like it so whats the beef? Its obviously emotions. Look at some of the comments in this thread, they are utterly ridiculous. "I refunded 4 other products before I bought this one." and "There were 3 upsells!" Wow. You arent forced to buy the upsell. What is the logic behind being upset at an upsell.. You know what? Perhaps STOP BUYING PRODUCTS ALTOGETHER AND GET TO WORK!

            If you publish stuff on Clickbank and you get more than 100 gravity, you better believe those emotions come up.. the envy, etc.

            But with that being said.. to the people who compulsively purchase.. BE CAREFUL. Coaching, SEO services, email blasts.. I myself tried out an email marketing company RECENTLY and they charged me $850. Ok.. Then two weeks later another $850, then another $850 until they had racked up $3500! I had to get a new credit card because they kept billing me $850 and wouldn't stop after I talked to them on the phone 5 times!! LOL

            After you purchase Mansour's thing or my thing, stay in control of your business and dont spend big money on stuff.

            There have been some really big scams lately and Im talking about the work at home coaching stuff, business opportunities, etc. Bad. If you are asked to "pay" for a job, its BS. Does not exist.

            Internet marketing products on Clickbank are good, because most are built for intermediates and have information that you cant find for free AND you know you can get a refund from clickbank if it does suck.

            If there ever was a problem with the overall business practices of the vendor, it would probably be that they are breaking the law outside of clickbank with other sites or practices, outside of clickbank's control, although cats on WF seem to not even pay attention to the real problems online, problems that are so big & bad they effect us all.

            >> You can spot a "real scammer" by clicking on his links, do they work? Is the site out of date? This can sometimes indicate HE IS ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL. This is a sign that they are too greedy and "cutting corners." If they are cutting corners on the front end, they are probably REALLY cutting corners on the backend, where you are learning how to do it, etc. It might waste your time if the instruction is bad too.

            But on clickbank, you know that its unlikely to happen in the immediate members area, funnel, etc and if a vendor ever did break the rules you can refund. I would really focus on the members areas more. Stop getting pissed at sales pages, its like a diversion. And give it a fair shot. These members areas we are talking about are definitely worth $47.

            People just really seem to focus on the sales page which is accepted by CB. I would say the most "borderline" stuff are the earnings claims, but its an internet marketing product and if you ever had one, youd see all the customer service emails asking to see "proof." Its like selling your website, if you dont disclose the financials, its a dead stick. But again, I dont hear about that ever, its more like "If he really made that money that way, etc." Yes, these guys make big money that way. Believe me, you need to be extremely smart and responsible for alot of aspects in business to get a site to the first page of clickbank with 500 gravity. Its hard. Case closed. Same thing with the other top 20 vendors of Ebusiness on Clickbank. These guys are SMART. Learn from them.

            But anyhow, you know something is a bit off with an overall atmosphere when the two reviews from actual customers are good, meanwhile the 40 other comments from visitors (non-customers) are angry, assumptive and nebulous posts. I would say to the people who hate, get to work and you shouldn't even have the time to post here. Mansour is an experienced marketer you can learn alot from. Come to affiliate summit east and hang out! Ok end of rant, have fun yelling at me.
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            • Profile picture of the author mrpals
              Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

              I know from experience, even when I chose to participate in discussions of my own products, which I work very hard on btw.. In a couple of my review threads, the thread ends up looking like Im arguing with myself because the person "reviewing my salespage" was abusive, was kicked off the forum and all of his posts erased leaving me getting all pissed off post after post. LOL

              Clickbank is actually very careful about approving salespages, especially in the IM niche. All of those pages you see up there, commission crusher, etc check out and the verbiage is proper! If its a clickbank site, and they bill you without you knowing, or the product doesnt match the members area, CB can kick off the vendor so you better believe all those sites on there are legit. Vendors know what they are doing (For the most part) Think about it. When a Vendor is getting ready for a launch, and anticipating 20,000 units being sold the first week, CB is up their (you know what) with a magnifying glass.

              This is why (In comparison to alot of the scams out there) alot of the complaining on this forum is either obviously emotional stuff, OR just misinformed individuals. Most of the "complaints" seem to occur from people who haven't even bought the product and just assume its fraudulent, when if you ever met Mansour, the kid is DEFINITELY someone you either want to A. Know, B. Learn from C. buy his product. You are lucky to have guys like Mansour that publish material and their secrets so you can learn from it and use it. And we all know you can get a refund if you dont like it so whats the beef? Its obviously emotions. Look at some of the comments in this thread, they are utterly ridiculous. "I refunded 4 other products before I bought this one." and "There were 3 upsells!" Wow. You arent forced to buy the upsell. What is the logic behind being upset at an upsell.. You know what? Perhaps STOP BUYING PRODUCTS ALTOGETHER AND GET TO WORK!

              If you publish stuff on Clickbank and you get more than 100 gravity, you better believe those emotions come up.. the envy, etc.

              But with that being said.. to the people who compulsively purchase.. BE CAREFUL. Coaching, SEO services, email blasts.. I myself tried out an email marketing company RECENTLY and they charged me $850. Ok.. Then two weeks later another $850, then another $850 until they had racked up $3500! I had to get a new credit card because they kept billing me $850 and wouldn't stop after I talked to them on the phone 5 times!! LOL

              After you purchase Mansour's thing or my thing, stay in control of your business and dont spend big money on stuff.

              There have been some really big scams lately and Im talking about the work at home coaching stuff, business opportunities, etc. Bad. If you are asked to "pay" for a job, its BS. Does not exist.

              Internet marketing products on Clickbank are good, because most are built for intermediates and have information that you cant find for free AND you know you can get a refund from clickbank if it does suck.

              If there ever was a problem with the overall business practices of the vendor, it would probably be that they are breaking the law outside of clickbank with other sites or practices, outside of clickbank's control, although cats on WF seem to not even pay attention to the real problems online, problems that are so big & bad they effect us all.

              >> You can spot a "real scammer" by clicking on his links, do they work? Is the site out of date? This can sometimes indicate HE IS ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL. This is a sign that they are too greedy and "cutting corners." If they are cutting corners on the front end, they are probably REALLY cutting corners on the backend, where you are learning how to do it, etc. It might waste your time if the instruction is bad too.

              But on clickbank, you know that its unlikely to happen in the immediate members area, funnel, etc and if a vendor ever did break the rules you can refund. I would really focus on the members areas more. Stop getting pissed at sales pages, its like a diversion. And give it a fair shot. These members areas we are talking about are definitely worth $47.

              People just really seem to focus on the sales page which is accepted by CB. I would say the most "borderline" stuff are the earnings claims, but its an internet marketing product and if you ever had one, youd see all the customer service emails asking to see "proof." Its like selling your website, if you dont disclose the financials, its a dead stick. But again, I dont hear about that ever, its more like "If he really made that money that way, etc." Yes, these guys make big money that way. Believe me, you need to be extremely smart and responsible for alot of aspects in business to get a site to the first page of clickbank with 500 gravity. Its hard. Case closed. Same thing with the other top 20 vendors of Ebusiness on Clickbank. These guys are SMART. Learn from them.

              But anyhow, you know something is a bit off with an overall atmosphere when the two reviews from actual customers are good, meanwhile the 40 other comments from visitors (non-customers) are angry, assumptive and nebulous posts. I would say to the people who hate, get to work and you shouldn't even have the time to post here. Mansour is an experienced marketer you can learn alot from. Come to affiliate summit east and hang out! Ok end of rant, have fun yelling at me.
              LOL you Are like a walking promo, You must JV with all these liars because you are the only one defending the useless garbage. All CB products of late are JUNK

              The only policy Click Bank has is for the buyer.
              If the Buyer refunds to often the BUYER is blocked NOT the Lying GURU jack a** selling the garbage, This is FACT.

              You put up 1 product that actually does what the seller claims and provide credible and verifiable Proof that it works not fairy tales of 2010 Rolls Royce Phantom cars, fake penthouse photo opps and made up CB account screen shots and then we will believe.

              OH let us not forget the Triple Decker, Bull-Sh*t Proof, No risk , 60 day 100% money back guarantee all gurus HAVE to throw in as REQUIRED by CB, not their choice.
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  • Profile picture of the author ebookjl
    This is my first report on the program. I am currently 60 - 65 minutes into the program - I know because that is how long the first 4 videos are. Does it have potential - YES - if you are a noob. It introduces a Noob to the use of CPA offers and the use of Articles. I know many of you have said this might not work in the manner that Philip has described. That might be the case but I have a wait and see attitude.

    Everything is set up to be automated. The directions in the videos so far are not difficult to apply but it does require paying attention and doing exactly as instructed. This is not unreasonable. If you are looking for immediate satisfaction That could be a problem. You must be willing to listen and apply.

    Philip provides additional resources as you would expect with any program.

    There is a uniqueness to this program that I have not heard before. I know many might not like what he suggests but his plan is to make this program as "Free" as possible to run. He says he used these very methods when he started and it makes sense. For instance he recommends using .info in the beginning for your sites. He encourages redirecting your domain name to the offer. He primarily points you to CPA offers that are free and also throws in some info about using ClickBank offers.

    Finally he suggests sending mass articles out for the campaign you are promoting. All of this has happened within 60 - 65 minutes. As I said I do not know if it will work for me but I do not find anything unreasonable with what I have heard so far.

    I hope this helps any who are looking at getting involved. It is not simply a click, click, click process. Like anything worthwhile it takes time and commitment. I will check in later with a further report. I am simply reporting my experience.

    Have a great day!
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  • Profile picture of the author ebookjl
    Hi - 2nd report on the product. I do not have much time each day to spend on learning the product so I am reporting on what I have found for the moment. This report represents the next 11 minutes. (All together 76 - 80 minutes into the program)

    In this time period there are 2 more videos. One about picking a product on CB, signing up as an affiliate, using the resources provided for the affiliate particularly the articles. Then setting up the articles in the Free Money Formula software and creating new articles. Touching them up to be even more unique if you want or need to.

    The 2nd video is how to submit the articles to various directories through the program software. This is the end of Part 1 with concluding words about the need to take action.

    Again, nothing that has been said is out of line with a good program to get an affiliate product out before the massive Internet audience. No lies, just practical steps to take.

    Let me digress for a moment about the discussion of the Sales Letter. There has been some deep discussion about whether the Sales Letter is proper or not. All I can say to that is "Until you have tried the program, how can you say it is blatant sales for sales sake?" Maybe it is, but we are talking about sales. Sales is using the art of persuasion to create a reason that people will want to buy. (Philip's sales letter did that). Some say it is not ethical to make claims but.... but what if the claims are true? What if a person follows the exact steps being touted to the letter and they make money? Does that make the Sales letter true - obviously - but you have to try the product to see if that is the case. I hope I will eventually come back to you and say I made money. Either way I will come back to you. Remember a person has 60 days from time of purchase to see if the product works.

    While Philip's sales letter might sound like all the rest - I can truthfully say that his presentation and idea is not like all the rest. I still see potential - but time will tell.

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  • Profile picture of the author ebookjl
    Hi - Report #3 - The next 28 minutes -- You now go into Part 2 of the program. Within this 28 minutes are 2 videos about how to use Video, Press releases, twitter, digg and ezinearticles to further hit your target audience. It also provides the 2nd part of the software which helps in automating these type of submissions. He also provides a Mindmap.

    By this time I am certain you can see that a full well rounded program is being provided. It is not much different than what I have seen from others except it is unique in its presentation. Prior programs that I have looked at give pieces and generally point to other resources that cost more money. Philip provides links to other resources but they are usually free or very slight in cost. He stays honest to his theme of Free Money Formula.

    Let me be clear, I am not trying to sell Philips product. I am just reporting my experience. I again emphasize as does Philip throughout the program that success comes with action. The tools are only as good as their use by the customer. The potential is there to make money and perhaps to make as much money as he claims in his Sales pitch. I have no reason to not believe him. He says this is what he did, has done, and is doing to continue making money. I believe that if you hit it hard and with as much action as he suggests there will be a good return.

    As is said "One man's junk is another man's treasure." We will see if it is a treasure as I continue to check this out.

    All of this has been provided in approximately 105 to 110 minutes. I have not been disappointed.

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  • Profile picture of the author davidpur
    THIS IS WORK FOR SOMEONE ?
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  • Profile picture of the author ebookjl
    Hi - This is not my 4th report - lol - However, I did want to mention a couple more positive things about this product.

    Customer service - I know there is a negative comment about customer service earlier in these posts. I must report that I had a very positive experience. I was concerned about the recent change to the google algorithm I was wondering how this new program was handling this especially since it uses a dynamic spinner as part of its process. Within 2 hours of asking this question I received an updated version of the software. (Obviously they had been working on this and Noticed that the next day in the Members are the update was there.) The point being that the developers and Customer Service were responsive. So that is a good thing.

    The other thing I wanted to mention is the Resources that are provided throughout the program. One of the resources is 9000 articles on just about any subject that we would want to promote. I am certain many of us have PLR articles galore sitting on our computer. However, just in case a brand new person was looking for something to work with, it is provided by Philip. I thought that was a pretty nice gesture.

    4th report is coming but for now this is a little extra insight into my experience.

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  • Profile picture of the author ebookjl
    Hi - This is the 4th report -- Only covers the final 15 minutes of the program. There is 1 more video called Sneaky Money Tactics. It covers a couple of tactics of how to use Ezine articles (This method should apply even after the changes at EZA) Plus you also are introduced to a couple other sites that will increase your presence on the web. These two sites cost a few dollars to use but in the frame of what Philip is promoting about "Free Money Formula" they fit.

    So there you have a summary of the whole program. The methods taught or displayed for making money cover approximately 120 minutes. So if you have a time slot you can set up that is what it takes.

    That is not the end of all Philip has to offer. He has a section on another method for making money which involves using paid advertising. He encourages that any trying this method keep their job until they can support the money funnels from the main method. That sounds reasonable and not the magic "You can quit your job now" or within 90 days or any such thing.

    There are also some other free bonuses including a website that costs you nothing but I will have to report on these later.

    My big test now is to take this information from Philip and attack with massive action. When I do, I should get positive results. I will report back to you if this information does actually make money. Thank you for listening and hopefully you have a better idea what this program has to offer.

    May you have a wonderful day!
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    • Profile picture of the author Eduard Ruppel
      Originally Posted by ebookjl View Post

      Hi - This is the 4th report -- Only covers the final 15 minutes of the program. There is 1 more video called Sneaky Money Tactics. It covers a couple of tactics of how to use Ezine articles (This method should apply even after the changes at EZA) Plus you also are introduced to a couple other sites that will increase your presence on the web. These two sites cost a few dollars to use but in the frame of what Philip is promoting about "Free Money Formula" they fit.

      So there you have a summary of the whole program. The methods taught or displayed for making money cover approximately 120 minutes. So if you have a time slot you can set up that is what it takes.

      That is not the end of all Philip has to offer. He has a section on another method for making money which involves using paid advertising. He encourages that any trying this method keep their job until they can support the money funnels from the main method. That sounds reasonable and not the magic "You can quit your job now" or within 90 days or any such thing.

      There are also some other free bonuses including a website that costs you nothing but I will have to report on these later.

      My big test now is to take this information from Philip and attack with massive action. When I do, I should get positive results. I will report back to you if this information does actually make money. Thank you for listening and hopefully you have a better idea what this program has to offer.

      May you have a wonderful day!
      So lets see how this will turn around. Yeah your reports are great. And happy for you that you like it so far!!
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    • Profile picture of the author maxitman
      Originally Posted by ebookjl View Post

      Hi - This is the 4th report -- Only covers the final 15 minutes of the program. There is 1 more video called Sneaky Money Tactics. It covers a couple of tactics of how to use Ezine articles (This method should apply even after the changes at EZA) Plus you also are introduced to a couple other sites that will increase your presence on the web. These two sites cost a few dollars to use but in the frame of what Philip is promoting about "Free Money Formula" they fit.

      May you have a wonderful day!
      This is all fine and dandy. And I personally appreciate the effort, but really, the only thing that counts is the money! And to others posting here, the opinions and their experiences with certain marketers and products are valued, that is for sure, but frankly, I just want to know IF*YOU*EVER*MADE*ANY*MONEY*by using a particular program and how much!
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      • Profile picture of the author troyy55
        Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

        I know from experience, even when I chose to participate in discussions of my own products, which I work very hard on btw.. In a couple of my review threads, the thread ends up looking like Im arguing with myself because the person "reviewing my salespage" was abusive, was kicked off the forum and all of his posts erased leaving me getting all pissed off post after post. LOL....

        Hey Jamie, don't know if you post much on the WF, but these posts and the ones on the Get Free FB Ads-Jani G(under fire!) thread are very articulate, well thought out, and mature.(long way from those vids you did way back with your partner goofing in your office/apt giddy with new found wealth)

        I'm watching this one closely, as I think it puts Phillip's reputation on the line. He is a smart guy and definitely knows his CPA as well as other tricks of the trade. His Offshore Conquest is a testament to that-good stuff.

        He made me hesitant with that sales approach, though, as I would expect he knows it lumps him with the frauds of the past, and most recently since the beginning of the year. Recently, there have been a few with the same software concept; at least in vague talk. It was easy to dismiss them because we didn't know them. Warning signs, right? But, Phil is credible, so to boast like that was an eye opener.

        Glad to read that FMF is made of the basics and some automation. Not that 'push button' pie in the sky easy riches illusion he set himself up with by that sales copy. It grounds FMF and, so far, let's Phillip keep his credibility. Thanks ebookjl!

        That made me happy; I like Phil. And, if his 'system/software' can make great money (has to be great because he hyped it so) with some hard effort, then I'm not so concerned about the long winded story telling (Brotherhood, Phil?). I glazed past it anyway, trying to get to the software and the claims of its functions. To read past the glitz and see what Phil was really trying to say.

        I guess some of us have to remember that he's speaking to the new IMers too and that's the type of sales copy that's proven to work. Unfortunately, most of the times it follows with empty promises. That's why we get so 'protective' of the new kids on the block who have to get a few scars before they get on the right track with a little elbow grease... and automation , it doesn't all have to be dirty!

        And that's why this negativity starts even before the product is tested. People get off track from what their focus should be. That's very understandable. Too many past trainwrecks.

        I've defended Phillip in a couple forums recently. Hope I'm not wrong...hope He's not wrong. But, I was defending his past reputation, HE'S got to maintain it. And, this launch is going to test it for sure. He doesn't want to go down that road Jani G is driving on. I know, I know the info in GFFBA can be good and worth the $37, if you passed on the oto, BUT, there was so much more wrong with that launch. We won't even get into ATH.

        But, hey this is about Phil. Btw, his cross promotions for other shady 'gurus' isn't helping him either. But what do I know, I'm not part of that environment. Shouldn't speculate walking in his shoes. You would understand that side of the tracks better than most of us as to how/why cross promos work. Although, there's plenty of 'good' marketers that don't subject themselves to it. What do I know. Good luck, Phil.

        Anyway, Jamie, I was actually just going to compliment your thoughts and say congratulations on the new baby. I'm guessing you had her/him by now.Glad to see you came to the WF in your time of wait.


        Take care,

        Troy

        p.s. Kudos to you too, Paul. Also, well thought out.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
          Originally Posted by troyy55 View Post

          Hey Jamie, don't know if you post much on the WF, but these posts and the ones on the Get Free FB Ads-Jani G(under fire!) thread are very articulate, well thought out, and mature.(long way from those vids you did way back with your partner goofing in your office/apt giddy with new found wealth)

          I'm watching this one closely, as I think it puts Phillip's reputation on the line. He is a smart guy and definitely knows his CPA as well as other tricks of the trade. His Offshore Conquest is a testament to that-good stuff.

          He made me hesitant with that sales approach, though, as I would expect he knows it lumps him with the frauds of the past, and most recently since the beginning of the year. Recently, there have been a few with the same software concept; at least in vague talk. It was easy to dismiss them because we didn't know them. Warning signs, right? But, Phil is credible, so to boast like that was an eye opener.

          Glad to read that FMF is made of the basics and some automation. Not that 'push button' pie in the sky easy riches illusion he set himself up with by that sales copy. It grounds FMF and, so far, let's Phillip keep his credibility. Thanks ebookjl!

          That made me happy; I like Phil. And, if his 'system/software' can make great money (has to be great because he hyped it so) with some hard effort, then I'm not so concerned about the long winded story telling (Brotherhood, Phil?). I glazed past it anyway, trying to get to the software and the claims of its functions. To read past the glitz and see what Phil was really trying to say.

          I guess some of us have to remember that he's speaking to the new IMers too and that's the type of sales copy that's proven to work. Unfortunately, most of the times it follows with empty promises. That's why we get so 'protective' of the new kids on the block who have to get a few scars before they get on the right track with a little elbow grease... and automation , it doesn't all have to be dirty!

          And that's why this negativity starts even before the product is tested. People get off track from what their focus should be. That's very understandable. Too many past trainwrecks.

          I've defended Phillip in a couple forums recently. Hope I'm not wrong...hope He's not wrong. But, I was defending his past reputation, HE'S got to maintain it. And, this launch is going to test it for sure. He doesn't want to go down that road Jani G is driving on. I know, I know the info in GFFBA can be good and worth the $37, if you passed on the oto, BUT, there was so much more wrong with that launch. We won't even get into ATH.

          But, hey this is about Phil. Btw, his cross promotions for other shady 'gurus' isn't helping him either. But what do I know, I'm not part of that environment. Shouldn't speculate walking in his shoes. You would understand that side of the tracks better than most of us as to how/why cross promos work. Although, there's plenty of 'good' marketers that don't subject themselves to it. What do I know. Good luck, Phil.

          Anyway, Jamie, I was actually just going to compliment your thoughts and say congratulations on the new baby. I'm guessing you had her/him by now.Glad to see you came to the WF in your time of wait.


          Take care,

          Troy

          p.s. Kudos to you too, Paul. Also, well thought out.

          Hey thanks buddy. Great post. The thing is, I personally hate having to "be a salesman" but to make money you need to whether its business to consumer or business to business or other model.

          I was a product creator long before I ever even knew what a sales page was and kinda speak from that standpoint. Fulfilling the promise with a badass product is where its at.

          If I could sum up my thoughts on your post it's just such a hyper-competitive marketplace when you get bigger. Its really like walking a tightrope. Sell the product and stay compliant. I always tell cats that the product should sell itself.

          I like Phil, I met him at ASW.

          And yeah I remember that video, its part of a parody collection of mine. Sorry you had to see that. LOL
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          • Profile picture of the author aymen99
            Wow man what a tool , really shocking !!!
            shocking features !
            just a manual article submitter !
            when you hear all the hype in the sales letter you think that this is some kind of xrumer software or something :confused:
            but just a poorly coded software !
            a waste of money
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  • Profile picture of the author mrpals
    Once again an empty statement with no valid or credible proof. "This is basic marketing" Must be the Liars Club or something huh?

    You are missing the point of everyones complaint in All of these threads.

    State the truth about what is being sold i.e. article submitter, twitter fondler, magic traffic software, out dated yahoo answers poster or whatever.
    Be honest about what it is and let us decide if we want to buy it.
    Don't make up false claims and outright lies to make quick sales.

    What is wrong with customers demanding Honesty?

    If the product really is what they claim it to be, you wont need to sell it with lies.
    No need for strippers, fake penthouse suites, fake auto and boat pictures and OUTRIGHT false claims. Yes or No? This is all myself as a buyer expects and sure that is all others want.

    I use to actually like Koolaide about 40 years ago by the way
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  • Profile picture of the author mrpals
    Here is an example of most of these "So Called Gurus"
    REALITY

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    http://www.cliconomics.com source of the comic
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  • Profile picture of the author theantihype
    I just got done giving this product a whirl. I think this is the first IM product that I've ever asked for a refund for within the first 24 hours.

    Poor support, the software is CRAP, and the IM/SEO advise they give is pure bush league. Seriously, there's a point in the training where he says "Now I know using auto-submitters to submit your spun content to thousands of website sounds like spamming, but it isn't. Ok, so press this button to start spammi--- err I mean posting to the sites".
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  • Profile picture of the author theantihype
    This is probably the dead give away... their terms of service addresses their website as "Company". Normally you say ACMEMADEUPNAME, herein referred to as "Company". Basically, they cut so many corners that they didn't even bother correctly setting up their legal stuff. Lovely


    The level of FAIL is furthered with their awesome "did you miss this page" that has a few dozen similar crap products on it... copied and pasted in.
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  • Profile picture of the author MrDoughBoy
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    I am gonna go against the grain here and say this program is not half bad. Aside from the beaten to death article submitter, Mansour does know what he is doing with CPA marketing. Step away from the hype, peel away the clickbank accounts and Mansour does provide some renegade tactics for making money with CPA offers. I am on his mailing list as well and from time to time he does provide interesting "free friday" CPA tactics. I think people here are looking for that magic bullet but when it is not delivered to them, they go running for the refund button. People here want the world for $37. Making money online has become extremely competitive so I appreciate Mansour for the renegade that he is in staying ahead of the curve.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrpals
      Originally Posted by MrDoughBoy View Post

      I am gonna go against the grain here and say this program is not half bad. Aside from the beaten to death article submitter, Mansour does know what he is doing with CPA marketing. Step away from the hype, peel away the clickbank accounts and Mansour does provide some renegade tactics for making money with CPA offers. I am on his mailing list as well and from time to time he does provide interesting "free friday" CPA tactics. I think people here are looking for that magic bullet but when it is not delivered to them, they go running for the refund button. People here want the world for $37. Making money online has become extremely competitive so I appreciate Mansour for the renegade that he is in staying ahead of the curve.

      Granted if you were in the MARKET for a submitter then yes I am sure it would suffice. The issue however remains, Tell people honestly what is being sold and if we need it we will buy it. Don't make it out to sound something it is not and make false claims about what it can do.

      Mansour is no where on any of the lists of millionaires which contains over 3+ million other millionaires yet the sales copy alone shows over 1.2 million in income. The penthouse isn't his that the video was filmed in, the claims made of the product are outright lies.

      BE HONEST
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  • Profile picture of the author checkm8
    I thought the posting said "free"?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Everybody's drinking haterade here - yet how many here have TRIED it? I have, and it's actually half way decent. I DO recommend this to my list, and i think it's GREAT for n00bs as they'll be able to learn quite a bit. He provides some cool CPA tips that I've never heard of (granted, I'm not big into CPA marketing myself). Point being, he knows his stuff, and despite the hype on his sales page - I gotta say, it's a decent product and I do like it!

      Yes, like all sales letters - the claims of how much you can make are hyped up - but hell - I've seen WSO'S in here where the warrior was caught FAKING his own earnings, and he wasn't even banned or repremanded that i'm aware of. (I can provide a link, and a screen shot if you want)

      To sum it up in one sentence: It's a hyped up sales page for a decent product

      My $0.02.

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    • Profile picture of the author Pascal Parvex
      What always devalues offers like this is when they tell you that it is limited. If as they could make enough money with 150 sales at 37 Dollars. They will just sell as long as it sells.

      One of my favorites is Michael Cheney. He recently mailed about the "Tim, let's make me a millionaire" product. It only costs 7 dollars, but I could not find any reviews on the Warriorforum.
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    • Profile picture of the author RalphealJackson2
      Try adsense 100K blueprink starting off, ad then joing adsense guild membership program, I think that those are two solid courses on adsense, which is a more simplier buisness model to follow compared to affiliate marketing, as you don't have to learn sales skills right away.

      Hope this helps and God Bless
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  • Profile picture of the author missmystery
    I take it the article submitter is crap, too? free money formula website isn't working for me anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author spicky
    In My free money formula he shows how he is making 10.000 k a day!!!!!

    Do you really think you could do the same . O f course not. It,s a biiiig lie
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