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I'm generally not someone to come on here and slam or attack people for the products they create or their methods of selling. I just figure the IM world has become a case of Buyer Beware all the time.

That said, I just sat through an hour and a half of the worst webinar I've ever come across with Don Bethune and Jon Shugart promoting Rockstar Power Suite.

It was a really misleading offer to get on the webinar - the title of the webinar was, "Billion Dollar Ad Secrets for Unlimited Traffic and Leads". Now let's face it, if you've been doing this for any length of time you know there are two things that really matter - Traffic and Conversions. With that said, I pay attention to most things that talk about innovative ways to pull traffic.

Well there was nothing in this webinar to back that up.

The first fifteen minutes was mind-numbing as they talked about conversion rates on image ads with the "average" being 0.1%. They just droned on, I literally fell asleep for about five minutes during this section.

Jon Shugart then got into what seemed like an interesting beginning and started talking about contrast, complementary colours and making ads that stand out. He then kept on showing some banner ads and didn't STOP!!! It went on for over half an hour!

I commented in the box, "This is the worst webinar ever, a half an hour of looking at ads." About ten minutes later, they realized obviously and read my comment out on the webinar and had a bit of an embarrassed laugh. Others must have commented as well so they moved into the pitch for Rockstar Power Suite.

Let's call that what it is - its a banner template modification tool. You basically get a bunch of templated banner ads from them (as "bonuses" it was later revealed during the pricing stack) and it let's you put your text and depending on the template, maybe add some images or buttons. Oh, and the image pack and handwriting scribbles were a bonus - never mind most of that stuff is cheaply available as PLR, it was a FREE $97 bonus.

The PPC Rockstar product looked like a keyword variation generator. Did far less than say the Google Keyword Tool where it no doubt pulled its results from. It then displayed them in the WORST windows grid with terrible right click functionality for sorting and filtering that simply didn't make sense in the demo provided. They had you filtering, selecting and all kinds of other stuff just to remove keywords you didn't want. Something like Market Samurai you tick a box next to the keywords you don't want and then hit the remove button and they vanish.

Never the less, we were informed that this was THE BEST PPC tool on the market anywhere. They showed how it "grouped" things into AdGroups and just how "powerful" this was, but I didn't understand it. In fact, it looked majorly flawed to me. From the demo, it appeared as though you could create AdGroups based on keywords, but it looked like keywords and short keyword phrases might end up in multiple AdGroups, thus you're competing with yourself. Then it was right back into banner ads.

They had Greg Davis who was an early user come online and tell us all how powerful the system was. I don't know Greg and I'm sure he does make a good living online (otherwise they'd be lying by calling him a Super Affiliate). He commented on my comment regarding the half hour of banner ads by saying that's all he does all day. Sure maybe, but he's doing that to make money and build campaigns, he's not sitting on a webinar looking at indiscriminate banner ads OVER AND OVER again.

Anyway, Greg spruiked the banner creator as awesome and a big time saver.

Ultimately we got to the $997 price tag. I couldn't believe it. I don't know Jon or Don, but on the surface, that product should not cost anything like that - $97, maybe. His early assertion that if you wanted to really split test your banner ads with sizes and combos, etc you'd need 224 versions and having that done on Fiverr.com would still cost you $1120 was ridiculous. Who on earth split tests 224 banners for a single campaign? And the assertion that it would cost $60k/yr to have a staff graphic designer do it is again absurd. I could go on eLance and pay $100/banner for 224 banners and still come out at $22,400 and I'm certain I could get someone in the US, Canada, Australia or wherever to do me a single banner at $100 and make various modifications 223 more times at $100 a pop.

Oh well, needless to say I didn't buy... Has anyone tried the product and care to elaborate?
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  • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
    I am listening to this now. Same video formula... I knew it would be expensive because the guy is throwing big numbers around. Usually when people do that, they are justifying the cost vs how much you potentially make... These webinars just talk about nothing for about a hour. A bunch of bragging and a bunch of promises.
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  • Profile picture of the author Boris_yo
    Originally Posted by seankaye

    Who on earth split tests 224 banners for a single campaign?
    You are not advertising here on search engines and with so many banners you want to minimze expenses and find top performers.

    Originally Posted by Andre Slater

    Usually when people do that, they are justifying the cost vs how much you potentially make...
    "potentially" is the keyword here. Everybody has potential to hit lottery.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
      Originally Posted by Boris_yo View Post

      You are not advertising here on search engines and with so many banners you want to minimze expenses and find top performers.



      "potentially" is the keyword here. Everybody has potential to hit lottery.
      Yep, It's the dreaded potential that makes things sell. I could sell you a old beat up shack if you saw potential in it...
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  • Profile picture of the author thomasmps
    i agree the webinar dragged on and i was pissed i even opt in for it and wasted my time for like 20 min before leaving
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
    No comment about the sales webinar. Because that is a critique of the sales process and should probably be in the copywriting forum not the product reviews . Jons best skill is as a software developer and not a salesman as you want him to be.

    For the actual product, if you know what to do with this, then it is a magnificent and powerful tool and worth every single penny. If you are blindly looking for a "business opportunity" then you aren't going to find much use here, but if you are engaged (or want to be) in the paid traffic market, then seriously nothing even comes close to RPS/

    I know what Jon showed on the webinar is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of features in the complete suite.

    And yes I did promote it as an affiliate and my customers that purchased it and knew why they were purchasing it (not just for "push button riches") feel the same way.

    My advice is if you do paid traffic. then run and get this. and if you dont...then don't/ That should solve it.

    -Greg
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    • Profile picture of the author affmanager
      Originally Posted by Greg Jacobs View Post

      No comment about the sales webinar. Because that is a critique of the sales process and should probably be in the copywriting forum not the product reviews . Jons best skill is as a software developer and not a salesman as you want him to be.

      For the actual product, if you know what to do with this, then it is a magnificent and powerful tool and worth every single penny. If you are blindly looking for a "business opportunity" then you aren't going to find much use here, but if you are engaged (or want to be) in the paid traffic market, then seriously nothing even comes close to RPS/

      I know what Jon showed on the webinar is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of features in the complete suite.

      And yes I did promote it as an affiliate and my customers that purchased it and knew why they were purchasing it (not just for "push button riches") feel the same way.

      My advice is if you do paid traffic. then run and get this. and if you dont...then don't/ That should solve it.

      -Greg
      Seems to me this software suite, complete with dynamic monetization pathways, lead distribution database and (above all) a compelling call center functionality...make RPS a no-brainer at $997. Or am I missing something fundamental here that naysayers are trying to warn about?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ldavid
    I agree with seankaye. Very boring webinar and long John introduction about himself.
    For my point of view it is a very expensive software and he always is promoting expensive IM products, but never giving away any stuff for the subscribers. He is doing the same that Jeff Johnson, Anick Singal and may others do, Pitch, Pitch and Pitch but nothing valuable for the subscribers. I'll unsubscribe from his list.
    I want to know if anybody here in the forum knows any good software that creates the banners like John's software. It should be an inexpensive solution on the web.
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  • Profile picture of the author tomandre
    I couldn't agree more. I actually thought this webinar was gonna provide something of value, at least that was the pitch to get me to register. It's really on eof the most boring webinars I've ever seen....! As to the product, I wouldn't pay that amount of money for that software...that's for sure. It's probably a software that can make things easier for you, but 1000 bucks, no way!
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  • Profile picture of the author Wuuki
    IF you do the stuff, you want to test as many variations as fast as possible in order to find winners and to optimize your campaign.

    The step-by-step process is great and the way to go. This alone was worth your time.

    I am in no way affiliated with Jon but I have purchased the software which is a great piece of software. A friend of mine is a software engineer and even he is impressed.

    Conclusion:

    If you haven't started in paid advertizing, the software won't help you because you first have to understand all the pieces you need to build a business around it (tracking, landing pages, etc) but if you're running campaigns and want to reduce the risk as much as possible, it's worth the money.

    Hope this helps.

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    PS: What's wrong in promoting higher priced products like Jeff and "all these guys?" It's all about the value for money ratio, the price alone doesn't give you the full picture!
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaLiam
    The banner generator is great if you or a client are going to offer products on commision junction or provide ads in google so affiliates have artwork to post. Don't see the rest of the value in the other products.
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  • Profile picture of the author bitwise
    I love the software, but find it very difficult to use. I just wish it had a MUCH better tutorial on how to use it.
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  • Profile picture of the author ArtiGal
    My partner and I purchased this as a WSO on January 2nd 2013 - $19.00 special + the upgrade to platinum. It was highly recommended by Mike Colella of Adbeat. Anyway, we contacted their support desk as we decided this product wasn't for us - requesting a refund. Got a message back that it would take a few days...emailed them after that...(after the few days) and now no reply. Opened a dispute via paypal but a message came up from paypal - words to the effect that this isn't the type of product they will support, as far as refunds go...try working directly with the seller for resolution.

    Needless to say, this is concerning. Maybe Shugart will honor this refund request, maybe not...doesn't feel promising at the moment.

    We aren't ones to request a ton of refunds - just decided this wasn't our cup of tea and now we could be out $90.00 and change.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adbeat
      Jon will give you a refund - not sure what the trouble is, but don't worry. If you still can't contact him, send me an email through our support desk and I will put you in touch with him directly. If that doesn't work, I'll paypal the money to you myself

      Originally Posted by ArtiGal View Post

      My partner and I purchased this as a WSO on January 2nd 2013 - $19.00 special + the upgrade to platinum. It was highly recommended by Mike Colella of Adbeat. Anyway, we contacted their support desk as we decided this product wasn't for us - requesting a refund. Got a message back that it would take a few days...emailed them after that...(after the few days) and now no reply. Opened a dispute via paypal but a message came up from paypal - words to the effect that this isn't the type of product they will support, as far as refunds go...try working directly with the seller for resolution.

      Needless to say, this is concerning. Maybe Shugart will honor this refund request, maybe not...doesn't feel promising at the moment.

      We aren't ones to request a ton of refunds - just decided this wasn't our cup of tea and now we could be out $90.00 and change.
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    • Profile picture of the author Juliawriter
      Originally Posted by ArtiGal View Post

      My partner and I purchased this as a WSO on January 2nd 2013 - $19.00 special + the upgrade to platinum. It was highly recommended by Mike Colella of Adbeat. Anyway, we contacted their support desk as we decided this product wasn't for us - requesting a refund. Got a message back that it would take a few days...emailed them after that...(after the few days) and now no reply. Opened a dispute via paypal but a message came up from paypal - words to the effect that this isn't the type of product they will support, as far as refunds go...try working directly with the seller for resolution.

      Needless to say, this is concerning. Maybe Shugart will honor this refund request, maybe not...doesn't feel promising at the moment.

      We aren't ones to request a ton of refunds - just decided this wasn't our cup of tea and now we could be out $90.00 and change.
      Have you had your refund yet - I ask as I am still waiting. Thanks :confused:
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