Anyone bought infomillionaire?

Yeah, I managed to get my order in just before it closed. When I went back to watch the video again it was sold out. When it arrives I'll post back.

I got the package I believe it is about entering into a niche and creating a product/sales funnel.

I'll know more after it arrives!

An e-mail from J-Mo said that they are opening more spots once they have more created. The apparently didn't want to have people order more than they had on hand.

paid the 10 bucks and didn't buy any OTO's or upsells. Waiting for the package now.

Thks a lot for sharing.

I look forward for your next post.

I also ordered and paid for shipping, didn't go for any of the OTOs either. And I expect it to be delayed too on account of the season.

I received my package today. It was shipped out of IL. Everything on the outside looks top notch. I doubt I'll be taking a look inside until the weekend. But I have received it complete with no mangled covers, discs etc.

Just got it today, great content for someone fairly new to IM like myself, 2 of the pieces of software that are hosted on their site are not working. I sent in a support ticket. Hopefully will get an answer soon. I did buy into one of the upsells, a monthly subscription. The product is certainly worth the $10. Not so sure about the monthly subscription yet. Only downside so far was they claimed they would send out a tracking link when the product shipped. Never got one. I know it might not seem like a big deal but in my book, don't tell your customer they are gonna get something and not do it, no matter how small. I know it may seem a bit anal but it's one of my pet peeves.

Got it today. took about an hour to read it. If you know nothing about Internet Marketing it's a great value.

All info is valid, but there's nothing in it that you couldn't find right here in the forum. PPC section will confuse and disorient most. The devil is in the details on PPC and most people won't get it from 20 pages or 4 20 minute videos, no matter how good. Keyword research area is good and probably the best info.

The monthly newsletter is more detailed and once again all the information is good advice. But once again it's nothing new, just basics. Start a memberships site, create affiliate program, make your landing page search engine friendly. They do tell you exactly how and provide good examples.

Good info for newbies, but if you're intermediate or above you already know most of the stuff.

I got my package yesterday. I skimmed some of the manual last night. It looks like a fairly good step-by-step guide to affiliate marketing (via Clickbank). The package comes with a CD that has videos, the manual in PDF format, and other tools/links. I found that a couple of the links for the tools did not work (one was for one of the MAIN tools they supplied).

I also did not buy any of the OTOs. As is common with many product launches now, you are automatically subscribed to a monthly program (unless you opt out within 30 days). They supplied the first month's newsletter and CD as well. I also found a broken link on one of the tools on that CD. I submitted support tickets for both items, but have not heard back on either one yet.

FYI, I also noticed that almost all of the products/services (Clickbank, web hosting, etc) that they recommend using are through affiliate links (hidden in a "framed" full page). Nothing inherently wrong with this - they are just using this as a way to generate more "back-end" sales too.

Basic. Content is really basic.

Frank was one of the faculty at Stompernet when I was a member and he was given the task of getting newbies reach $30 a day with their sites by using the system in infomillionaire.

After a few months people were outraged and angry in the forums because they did exactly what Frank told them to do, but yet did not make any profit.

Frank tried his best and was very helpful, but basic information is just not going to get you anywhere theses days. It would be like hyping up and selling a seo book from 1999 and then expecting it to work in 2009. The basics never change, but they are not going to get you into profit either.

Imagine if current professional athletes used only the basic training information from the 1950s. They just would not stand a chance.

I think your little brother Thomas is probably a genius and can see through things very quickly. He is probably not making any money because he is focused on the wrong thing. Anybody who focuses on making money with a website will usually fail. People who succeed are the ones who want to help people solve a real problem by using a website.

I got it sent twice :S

Anyway, its a great package.

Really is packed with usful information and in the first package we got sent templates to use on our affiliate pages.

Im looking forward to the next package.

Devan

This is one of the worst products ever released. Shows you how out of touch Kern and Company have become and are just making a play to grab noobs (like every other dbag "guru")

Every single thing in here can be learned for free.

Amazing they don't tell you anything about Quality Score but tell you that you can run Adwords to a squeeze page by itself.

Kern hasn't run an Adwords campaign for years and made all his money with Clickbank in 2006 or earlier. Dude is completely out of touch now with what works since he gets 100% of his traffic from email and referrals.

Never trust ANYONE who made their money online by "doing" prior to June 2006.

I just received mine this morning and have to agree with the above posts about this course being basic and just containing info that is freely available online. I know the classic response to that is it saves you looking ... but in this case there is very little here you could actually act on without having to go and do more research yourself anyway.

I still dont have mine!

I got my package few days back. Everything in good order. The manual is almost 200 pages and I have already gone through 30% and it I think caters for newbies as it is very detailed in its steps.

What is most interesting and valuable is the squeeze page generator software which solves a big headache for me.

Not bad at all for $20 costs.

Kind regards

Nothing here either, have really been looking forward to it.

i am a big fan of frank kern's having purchased his mass control stuff, which is excellent.

this product by contrast is aimed at someone who is just starting. there are enough kernels of things to follow up on that you would then need the continuity program to learn more.

i've not started with adwords yet, but my understanding was that google frowned upon people using adwords to go to their website that is basically redirecting to their CB hoplink. (well he has a landing page tool that adds in some text but that's basically it).

can anyone who is EXPERIENCED with cb traffic and adwords comment on whether this strategy works? my understanding was that this worked years ago but with the google slap/quality score changes, this is the type of thing google is actively discouraging and they will make it nearly impossible for you to be successful by raising your adwords bid prices or locking you out of certain keywords.

is this correct?

I know it, from Kern's stuff one of the worst ones, although I really like him...

No product yet. Wonder why all of these offerings from brand name internet marketers are always handled so badly? Since this happens so often to these super successful marketers you have to believe it is done on purpose - just look at the "press" they are getting.

Another bag of xxxx sent out (eventually) to all those willing to put up with this dis-service and pay to have it done to themselves once again. Repetitive and getting to be very boring.

The tide will turn on this treatment of people and it will hurt the good marketers as well as the Kevin Trudeaus out there. Maybe the good guys can try harder to stop the goons mucking this up for everyone.

I paid and still waiting for the package.

I just received it today and I live in Australia, haven't really had time to go through all the materials - but from the first impression it seemed like a pretty solid package - no where NEAR as much "stuff" in it as the Mass Control Monthly package - but i remember hearing Frank say that one of the biggest reasons for returns that people gave for that package was that there was TOOO much stuff - each to their own, I loved the fact that it was jam packed with value.

Anyway, Infomillionairse IS about going into a niche and creating your own info product(pretty obvious but I thought i'd spell it out), and the package breaks it down into play by play simplicity which is quite nice.

I believe there's two big challenges with creating info products - one is maintaining your focus. The step by step guide really keeps you on track and would definitely help you do this.

The second is marketing - I mean everything from positioning your product, to the copy writing and adwords ads. This is probably the most important facet of creating an info product and from my brief look at the package I don't believe it covers this topic in the neccesary depth.

But really, if you consider yourself an internet marketer you should take it upon yourself to study a good copywriter like John Carlton, Dean Jackson, Mark Joyner or Clayton Makepeace and read the mandatory marketing books like practically everything Seth Godin has ever written and than start APPLYING that shit...

But once you're ready to start applying and you want a proven strategy to get the ball rolling and you're first info product released, than Infomillionaire is a great course (particularly for the crazy cheap introductory offer price) for you.

In Canada, still waiting for package.

It's Tuesday, January 6th, I'm in Los Angeles, and I'm still waiting for the package to arrive. I hope it's worth the wait...

Finally....some answers.

Here's the e-mail I got this morning.

Can anyone share feedback on the package?

i got sent the infomilllionaire package 3 times! anybody else ?

I just got a email from them saying that they had run out of stock for approx. 400 buyers, including me.
as compensation, I will get 60 days free trial for the newsletter instead of 30 days.
i expect that I will get the package next week.

I got my package a few days ago.

I read through it a couple times, watched the videos, followed everything step-by-step.

Found what looks like a good CB product. Got my squeeze page made, set up an Adwords campaign like Trey said in the videos and book.

It was all quite simple. The Manual and videos really take you through the whole thing nicely.

I had everything set up and active, and was seeing some good PPC response. Woke up the next morning and checked things out, and found my self being slapped silly by Google.

I've read a bit about Adwords in the past but never felt I knew enough to really make it worth trying out. I guess I was right.

I Should have Looked through the monthly stuff first and tried the Ninja Cloaker.
I will next time.

The IM Gods must have seen my last post. Infomillionaire arrived via UPS this evening! BTW, yesterday I sent an email off to Frank and Trey asking about the delivery schedule and today they (or someone) sent a reply with a UPS tracking number. So, that's a good thing.

Now to the reading...

a very good product.

And the monthly news letter is worth sticking with too.

There is one problem i had though. to do with the postage tracking they said they would provide. they never did. was quite annoying because i had the package sent to an address of another family member of mine.

luckily i happened to visit when the package arrived so there was no serious issue.


overall a very good package and well worth it.

I received my pack just yesterday and went through it. I learned more from observing the launch process, upsells (what not to do), packaging, delivery of content (manual, newsletter, cdrom, cd). Most people here would know what is being taught but most people in general would have no idea.

The course content is actually pretty good. There was at least 5 things or little tricks that most people would miss or may not know so overall it is a great investment.

Frank is doing what a good marketer wants... sell stuff so it's great to be a part of the process. Great education especially at the price.

Frank also says to teach what you know and anyone can apply his IM teaching techniques into any niche. That's quite powerful really.

Sure I didn't learn much from the infomiollinaire material but I did learn heaps going through the process. I am a happy customer and will continue to subscribe to newsletter.

In an earlier post, I mentioned that I wasn't going to continue each month and was worried that I wouldn't be able to cancel.

Anyway, after a slightly nervous delay in getting a reply, I did receive an email confirming my cancellation.

So they have done what was promised, so well done to them.

Very basic course content. Presented well. It was good to have a look at the course, but I have to say that I think I got more from the launch process.

Personally, I probably won't continue the subscription because I am overwhelmed with 'stuff' at the moment and can't justify one more thing on the pile.

This course has the potential to make money IF you work it.

also not received yet

I must have been lucky as I got the package on Christmas eve. I'd agree it's basic but I thought overall it was pretty good nonetheless. I do question the adwords to simple squeeze page strategy due to quality score issues. But that can be worked around by adding more to the squeeze.

I am wondering about continuing with the subscription. I thought it was OPTIONAL and would not continue unless I authorized it?
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Bruce

I live in the U.K. and received my package yesterday. This is great considering how long it took for me to get my Stopmernet stuff through.

Will be going over the material over the weekend.

haha WOW!! I finally got fed up of waiting for my package and sent a support ticket in to Infomillionaire Support for a tracking #...

45 minutes later a USPS Driver is at my door with my Infomillionaire box.

Now that's service!! Time to spend the day going through it Yay Yay!!

Wow Infomillionaire Monthly... how much are they charging for this thing monthly? Pretty thin on the info side of things...

Got my copy in the UK a couple of days ago.

It was promoted as a beginners guide with more advanced stuff coming through on the newsletter.

First impressions are favourable as it takes things nice and simple but I will be doing a proper review for my OP blog.

So I read through the whole thing in 45 minutes, it basically is for beginners: how to create a clickbank account, find hosting, software to use to create sites (dreamweaver, ftp etc.) how to create an AdWords account...

I can't really complain since it was free minus shipping, I did order the custom software with resell rights though, I'm just curious if I ClickBank would allow me to promote a software I have resell rights to (if I create my own selling page etc.)

Essentially I have the html and code, and it doesnt mention InfoMillionaire outside of the initial help file, so in theory I could just rebrand it as my own product and promote it on ClickBank, no?

Or if I'll just have to promote it myself via AdWords, SEO, and using DL Guard to deliver it? Anyone know? (I know I cant sell the software in the WSO Forum :-[ )

Frank Kern is my hero!

I bought his first course that he ever put out. Infact I still use it daily.

From his business Mining Gold Corporation.

It came with some CD's called Internet Marketing Spy Videos by Frank Kern and Shawn Casey. (Very good stuff)

A Binder product by Jeff Paul called "Instant Profit Marketing-101 Secrets To A Six-Figure Income!"

3 floppy disks, who used that any more. LOL!

A second Binder called "Jeff Paul's March 1998 Direct Response Marketing Success Two Day Boot Camp" this was 12 cassettes, who use these any more either. LOL

But I still use the written stuff!

The Faceless Guru



The Faceless Guru

Amazing lack of concern on Frank and Trey's part...no package yet and no response to my emails. This is one more bad joke played out by rich fools with nothing better to do I guess.

The product is great...if you follow through with all the steps. Well worht the price!

As for the monthly newsletter part, I would have to say they could have put a little more effort into it...well, I mean it does come with a cd and all, but, wait, oh its only a PDF of the newsletter. I believe we call this a Box Of Crap.

Its been a few weeks since people have received their products, so the obvious question is does this system work? I am trying it once I get my hosting back up but hopefully it can provide me with some consistent income. Ill post back in a few days when I get things running.

OF COURSE it's "Basic Info"!

Why would you stay on for the continuity if he gave you the whole deal all at once?

I bet they do create a clickbank course as part of the monthly. Frank does something like that with Mass Control Monthly where he basically just shows you what he's doing behind the scenes.

Like for the Mass Control Giveaway launch his Monthly content basically took you through the launch process with him, and he shows you WHY he does what he does in his marketing and how to do it.

It's cool as hell.

Maybe they'll answer support tickets right now? I still havent received confirmation on my monthly magazine subscription!

I have emailed and tried to use Customer Support already twice. No answer, no response, nothing.

(though they did have a fancy page that said how top notch the service would be and that you would be handled by a REAL human, not just a robot.)

...uh, at this point I would settle for a friendly robot.
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Bruce

Hey this is a bit of a newbie question for any Adwords experts out there. and it pertains to Infomillionaire in which the goal is to promote CB products by using a redirected URL. he has a custom landing page generator but otherwise it's a variant of the "Google Cash" method from a few years back.

Is it legit to promote a site in AdWords using a redirect URL (redirecting your URL to the affiliate site) on Google?

for example if i am promoting this site (these are made up examples so they shouldn't link anywhere)

main site: and I buy a similar URL and redirect it to the main site using my affiliate CB id. and then i buy ADwords to promote my site...is that legit?

I've seen many IM people suggest this strategy for promoting CB products.

However, I just re-read Google's terms and conditions and it appears that this practice is against their terms - see the first item below about "redirect URL's"

here's what they said:

"Affiliate Policy

We do not allow data entry affiliates to use AdWords advertising, but all other affiliates may participate in the AdWords program. However, we monitor and don't allow the following:

* Redirect URLs: Ads that contain URLs that automatically redirect to the parent company.
* Bridge Pages: Ads for web pages that act as an intermediary, whose sole purpose is to link or redirect traffic to the parent company.
* Framing: Ads for web pages that replicate the look and feel of a parent site. Your site should not mirror (be similar or nearly identical in appearance to) your parent company's or any other advertiser's site. "

would love input from seasoned affiliate marketers and AdWords experts out there.

thanks!

Hi
I'm a Newbie at IM so I thought this would be an ideal package to start with as I really didn't have a clue.
I'm halfway through the book and video and whilst it is a bit of an idiots guide I'm finding tiny little bits of info that are really important to me are missing. When you know nothing about this stuff you tend to hang off every word and if the odd word is missing it takes a lot longer to put it all together.
I'm going to persevere as my own business in the 'Real' world is so quiet and I must earn some money - but how fast - who knows.
The course did lead me to this forum, so that's pretty cool on it's own, and now I don't feel so alone, but it's such early days, I'm floundering still. Like a baby taking first steps, it's all a bit unsure and wobbly!
I did get a great bonus from Frank & Trey, they sent me 3 copies of the course for the price of 1 - not bad hey, perhaps it's an omen to say I'm going to be three times as successful each time!!

Wish me luck...

I have had no problems and still a happy customer but it sux when others aren't happy.

I must say I'm shocked at the customer support on this product. I feel sorry for those who require support.

If you have a unique page, that greatly increases the probability that Google will leave you alone.

BTW, and sorry for the double post - if Frank and Trey put this together, it's definitely not going to be 2-year-old tactics that don't work. They're not idiots.

I have a quick question for every one who claims to be an advanced marketer. In the offer video by Frank Kern he clearly states that this is a product for complete beginners right? Then why would you buy it if you already feel you are avanced in the industry? Then when you get the package, you talk about how useless it was; I don't get it. So the real question is, are you really soo advanced than you think? Does making one sell or two really make you an advanced marketer? I just want to know coming from a newbie.

If there is some magic bullet of information or some secret formula please let me know and don't tell anyone else *wink wink*

info millionaire was just release less than a week ago again for the last time and all i had to pay was for the shipping which cam up to about $25 I am sure they made mmoney out of that too. it does not cost $25 to ship but anyways. It is about getting into a niche and dominating it and making lots of money but what i really liked about it is that in the video presentation frank goes on to talk about how he will show you how to dominate google adwords and get all that traffic the way he does it and also includes a software that makes your ppc google ads more friendly. I have not received the package but I ordered it and am keeping my fingers crossed..

take care everyone.

Yeah I know how you feel. It was sold out before I got a chance to even reach for my cc card. It's good to know there may be more spots available.

To Your Success,
Michael Paul

To the expert marketer, Don't forget you were new too once a upon a time. Even though their are upsells, infomillionaire saves you Alot of time researching these things on your own. If all you knew was how to cut and paste then this information would get you were you need to go.

If you know all about the information already, then I have seen several people on this thread alone that got in too late and would probably like to have a copy of it.

Hope that didnt come across the wrong way, but it is the truth.
Frank and Trey did a great job. Things have changed in Google since the slap, but in Franks defense he does mention using Yahoo and MSN search.

Just a thought, don't beat me up over it.

Please don't waste your 9.95. The course will surprise you. It is outdated and actually has advice neither Frank or Trey could possibly believe to be beneficial. It is very weak in the knees. Better to go get a large pizza and watch TV.

Please post if you get charged for the subscription and tried to cancel. It is time to stop this type of rip off technique and the only way to do it is to gather together all the instances of this happening to people. With enough victims, maybe we can put a stop to this type of behavior.

It's hard to believe that 2 "cool dudes" who make tons of money would run such a garbage operation - just remember that part of internet marketing success is creating persuasive personas to convince your targets that it's not their fault if you don't make money with their super systems - look how much they make! Oh, and look how much all their friends and affiliates make!
And hey, be cool, chill out, it's guaranteed. Peer pressure still works.

No, they aren't idiots - far from it. 6-7000 people paid 9.95 and now have to try to cancel their subscription to something they do not want before their credit card is charged an exorbitant monthly charge.

Great concept! Surf's up dudes!

Thought everyone might enjoy reading tsome of the PREDICTIONS FOR 2009 in INTERNET MARKETING by James J Jones that apply to this topic:

3. Accountability. Be warned -- these newbies are internet savvy and intelligent. Many will be middle managers and executives from the financial industries. They will hold their internet marketing mentors responsible for shoddy product recommendations and unworkable schemes. These are the people who use Facebook the way Facebook was meant to be used. And if you disappoint them they will use their social networks to crush and humiliate you.

4. A flood of crappy Internet Marketing products. Most will not heed my warning above and will see this influx of marketing newbies as a way to make some quick cash by pumping out rehashed crap and junk that no longer works. If you are an Internet Marketing mentor, reviewer, product creator, or (God forbid!) Guru you should tread with caution for you will be judged.

5. Backlash against product launch whores. Ok, maybe I'm being a little harsh here but enough is enough! I don't have anything against product launches -- there is nothing inherently wrong with building up anticipation for a product or creating scarcity. Hell, Apple does it all the time. My beef lies with the "copy and paste" affiliates who are simply looking to fleece their subscribers for as much as they can before they realize they're being sheared and hit the unsubscribe link. The day of sending out a canned email launch sequence and waiting for the money to roll in are quickly coming to an end. If you participate in product launches you need to provide some unique and valuable content to your subscribers.

James J Jones.com Blog Archive 2009 Internet Marketing Predictions

I'm a bit ticked at the whole Infomillionaire. I do like Frank Kern, etc. but this package was so basic, simple, etc. that I canceled my subscription in a heartbeat once I got it. I even contacted their support TWICE...got NO RESPONSES...and they charged me over $40 bucks this month.

Needless to say, I contacted them once again about my frustration and I better get that refunded. I'm not impressed with anything infomillionaire at all. Generic at its very best and horrible customer support. What a let down.

Sure would be nice if Frank Kern, being a member of this forum, would speak up here and explain. Come on Frank, let us know why you have such horrible service on this product and are not responding.

There is no excuse for this kind of "support". I feel like I just got scammed by one of my online hero's and it sucks.

Well this is just embarrassing as hell.

First: THANK YOU.

Seriously. One one hand, I want to get all defensive (and I will in a sec regarding the product) but on the other, this feedback is invaluable.

The fact is, we got 4,000 customers in 4 hours.

Imagine that - you go from zero to 4,000 customers in 4 hours.

Personally, I've never done that before. So it's been a learning experience.

Naturally, we outsource the shipping. On one hand, I'm very happy that around 90% of our customers received their orders on time and everything was cool.

On the other hand, I feel like a schmuck because around 10% experienced delays. (10% in this case is 400 people. That's a lot of people.)

BIG LESSON: When your fulfillment company says "Yeah, we'll be ready to ship all 4,000 orders on XX date" - ASSUME THEY WILL SCREW UP.

Just add around a week to the date they give you.

I don't think the delays were intentional on their part. But there were delays none the less.

My apologies. At the end of the day, it will fall on YOUR shoulders just like it's falling on mine now.

Second: SUPPORT DELAYS

OK - this is freaking me out. If any of you guys are "old school" customers of mine, you know I'm a support freak.

I'll own up to a week's delay when we first launched. We totally screwed up and were simply unprepared for the amount of support tickets that came in (over the holidays, no less).

The reason we were unprepared is because my last launch (Mass Control Monthly Trial) went so smoothly and we had 2,000 customers in minutes.

...So I got a little cocky and figured this would go smoothly as well.

DOH!

Want to know the biggest cause of incoming tickets (that bogged us down and caused a delay)?

ME BEING A DUMB ASS.

OK - more accurately "lack of communication".

See - in the outgoing receipts, I said "We'll be sending you a tracking number in 2 days".

But I forgot to tell the fulfillment center to send the tracking numbers out when they were generated.

I just ASSumed they would since we did it that way last time.

Foolish rookie move.

Third: HELP ME OUT HERE.

There should be NO delays now. We fired one person after they screwed up and sent moronic replies like the one mentioned by "Zortag" above (awesome name, btw) ...and replaced her with three more.

We have FOUR support people now.

So you guys that are not getting responses, please let me know.

Reply with your real name so I can look you up in the system and see what is going on.

We're using InfusionSoft to track all incoming tickets so I should be able to see the exact dates and see what you sent and what was sent to you.

My guess is we've got a deliverability issue (or that I need to kick more asses).

But I need your real names. (Dayne, I don't see a Dayne Dylan. I do see a Dayne H and I see the ball was clearly dropped there. Heads will roll.)

Mick535 - need a real name.

NOW, ABOUT THE PRODUCT:

I stand behind it proudly.

So what if it has grammatical errors. I can't spell worth a damn and I type using three fingers.

The fact is, it's made for newbies.

That should have been clear by the video that sold it when I said "we show you how to cut and paste and how to use FTP".

We developed it after surveying the market (in my own business and in other people's "guru" businesses) and discovered that 70% of customers were stuck on one thing:

HOW TO GET STARTED.

So the product is addressing specific sticking points that the marketplace TOLD US they were having trouble with.

Like I said in the video, the InfoMillionaire course is designed to get you up and running.

And it's the *exact* system Trey used to bring in over $3.8MM.

Want a magic bullet? here it is:

FUNDAMENTALS + HARD WORK = MONEY

InfoMillionaire gives you the fundamentals.

The same fundamentals that worked for us.

But you know what really gets me?

I haven't had a thread like this about one of my products in YEARS. And what's awesome is this:

1. We're getting unsolicited testimonials over Twitter where people are already making money with this stuff that's "So basic".

This doesn't surprise me.

These people are giving it a try instead of complaining about how "basic" it is.

I mean, why would anyone want a complicated system for making money anyway?

Give me basic and easy any day.

So I *know* it works because people are telling me it works. Regular folks. Customers.

2. It has the highest stick rate of anything I've released.

Usually on a trial like this, you lose a lot of people immediately because you get a ton of folks who just want the free stuff or whatever. (After all, you don't even have to send anything back if you cancel. You can keep everything for free. Pretty good deal, realy.)

So I was expecting to lose around 35% of the customers right off the bat (that's pretty standard no matter what you're selling).

Anyway - I was wrong.

Not only are people more people sticking than I expected, but they're posting their successes on Twitter and emailing us as well.

And we even had a few post nice things here, which is cool.

So I'm happy with the customer results and I stand behind InfoMillionaire - typos and all.

I'll ask Trey to post some of the cool twitter success stories so hopefully it'll inspire customers to make money with the product.

End of long ramble ....coffee wearing off....

Frank

P.S. Again, Sorry about the customer service delays. I will NOT put up with that from my staff. I pay well above the norm and I expect better than this.

If you have a customer service problem that has not been resolved, please reply here with your real name and I'll get to the bottom if it right away.

Yes Frank, that is me...Dayne H. I would appreciate the full refund on the charge that was just issued a few days ago because I DID cancel this right after I got the package...which was weeks ago. I got no response or anything.

Frank, I really appreciate you taking the time to make the big post. It says a lot about you. Yes, I am frustrated to find that charge this morning on my card when I clearly took the right efforts to cancel. But I'm still a fan of yours and the only marketer I really pay attention to.

Thank you again, much appreciated.

I have been through the whole program. As I mentioned earlier, there were some bugs with the links to some of their tools at the beginning. I think they got those fixed. I have several problems/complaints about InfoMillionaire:

1.) I NEVER received any kind of response from several questions/support issues that I submitted.
2.) In relation to this, their contact information and support system is VERY lacking. They make it very hard to get in touch with them. The toll-free number they list has a recording on it by Trey (Frank's cousin) that basically says they probably will not respond to any voice messages (but you are welcome to leave one if you want). There is no choice to talk to a live person. He suggests that you leave a ticket on the support website. Mine were never answered.
3.) The information in the book is pretty basic by today's standards (but it was free, so...). The videos are not nearly as professional as others that are available. Trey does (most of) the videos and most of the infomation that is provided is vague and even contradicts much of the PPC advice that is given by other experts now. For example, he combines "search" and "content" campaigns. He slaps hundreds of keywords in an Adgroup - never trying to "group" them in anyway and certainly not using one keyword per Adgroup as many recommend today to get a good quality score. He does mention that they will be going into some of these things in future months. I would rather see how to do it right from the start!
4.) I'll admit up front that I am new to PPC, but using their recommendations and their landing page generator, I set up a couple campaigns in Google. It may well be that I did something else wrong (I don't know), but within one week Google had "slapped" that account and now any campaign I submit through it gets a quality score of "1" and CPC of $10.00 assigned. Google tells me that the landing pages "lack quality".
5.) Based on the problems I have had and the lack of quality that I perceived with the whole "system", I canceled my membership (via the support system again). I never heard from anyone and a monthly charge was run through my bank account (the amount was even MORE than it was suppose to be!). I called and submitted tickets. Again I have never received a response of any kind! I finally just contacted my bank today to dispute the charge.

I do not know Frank or Trey and have not bought any other products from them. Obviously Frank has been around for a while and Trey has made some money from these techniques. But my experience with this product has been much less than what I expected. Maybe they got in over their heads with the huge launch. I don't know.

Please leave your real name so I can look you up in the system and see what happened regarding your support ticket (and more importantly, get you refunded!)

People would use their real names so I could look them up in the support system?

;-)

You do raise a valid point. The lower the price point, the higher the customer service expectations.

At least in this niche.

HOWEVER - we did screw up the shipping with about 10% of our orders on that first batch so folks have a right to be upset.

I bought it also. Even bought the upsell to the Frank Kern & John Reese secret video footage for $197. Almost bought the software but don't know how to evaluate it as I am brand new to IM! But here is what I've learned about the company so far. I sent a support ticket becaue I was unable to open up the videos using real player. They said how'd the answer all support questions in a very timely manner. It's been 4 days now and I haven't heard anything! Gets me a little concerned aboutthe integrity of the company!

Rawbert

Dear Warrior members, I want to publicly apologize to Mr. Frank Kern. I took out my frustrations on him and Trey in prior posts and I admit that I overreacted. The product was finally shipped to me - after I had requested a refund and was refunded my money and told that I could keep the product on them for my having to wait 31 days to receive it. I have to admire this from Mr. Kern and the personal email he sent to me asking why I was so upset.

Thank you for that. I know that I had reached the boiling point with info marketers products not living up to their sales pages and the horrible customer service from so many product creators.

I was never charged for the subscription to the magazine - it was cancelled for me as promised.

I apologize to Frank and to Trey. My experiences with internet marketing have left me cold and broke. I am 62 years old and have had one of the most successful sales careers in my field for the last 30 years. I wanted to learn the internet marketing business in a very sincere way to help with retirement.

I had no idea this field was so full of "medicine water" sales people and their shills. On the other hand I am happy to have done business with many, many honest business people along the way this last year.

Frank has always been enjoyable and I like his style a lot. His products were always too high priced for me but sounded interesting. I jumped at this low priced product thinking I could learn from the master so to speak and work up to his more expensive and exotic products.

When the product had not arrived after 3 weeks, I lost it and after reading several posts here, thought I was about to be ripped off once again. I should have been more patient.

Once again - Frank proves he is a decent man and I ask that the rest of you waiting for the product to be patient - it will arrive.

Now I plan on finding other things to do and other ways to supplement my retirement. This has not been a fun ride.

I ordered my copy from the January 2009 batch. Anyone who ordered this year received theirs yet?

Had to respond to blackhat cat post -
Re-read Mick 535 post. You obviously did not get this product and read the material. Mick 535 did and his post is right on. I apologized for thinking I was going to be one of the unlucky ones who have been experiencing problems getting a refund. After 3 weeks that can happen.

I agree with Mick 535 completely. Getting a refund and an apology shows something, but over all it is amazing that something like this would be allowed to happen from a man who has worked hard to earn a loyal following. As you can see from this thread, you have 2 sides - those who feel the product is not very good and also experienced terrible customer service and the other side who have that smugness about themselves that just irritates the xxxx out of me. The "gee, it's only $10.00 what do you expect, morons?"

Maybe that line should be included in the sales page and videos. Then there would be no need for a thread like this one.

marcanthony - the next time you visit a steak house and after reading the description in the menu for a thick, juicy,aged steak and it is on special for only $9.95 then ordering it - then waiting 4 hours for it to get to the table with no explanation of why it is taking so long - and, you know that in another hour you are going to be charged $47 for your parking and you begin to hear of other diners who never got their steak or if they did get it, it was actually hamburger - don't get upset okay? After all, it was only $9.95

Bottom line - I hope Frank comes out with a new great product and delivers it on time and everyone lives happily after. It would also be nice to see the defenders of this product and this lack of customer service stop sucking up long enough to learn from this experience.

I can still respect a master marketer like Frank Kern - anyone can make a mistake - and he has done his best to rectfy the situation and return money to those who asked for it back. He is too good for this - however his rabid defenders have not purchased the product, read the maual, watched the video, or experienced any of the problems people are rightly bringing up on this thread. You are the problem with internet marketing right now. Smug know it alls who look down on your "newbie" customers as complainers and whiners.

I hope Frank wins people back by doing the right things and I hope everyone on this thread remembers the ones who have sneered and ridiculed them for having legitimate complaints and that no one purchases anything from them.
Their are many honest marketers with excellent products who respect those of us who are kust starting out and trying to learn the ropes. Deal with them only - support the good guys and women in this field of endeavor.

And now you know the secret to effective marketing. Lots of hype, scarcity and then people talk about it, then you raise the price and tah dah....u are an info millionaire! ya digg

I liked the product (as previously stated) and liked the monthly subscription.

one problem...

In the last 2 days i was charged for the second monthly newsletter (a newsletter which i fully intend to stick to) but i did not recieve the news letter in the mail.

I intend to wait a week and then submit a support ticket (don't know if it will be answered judging by all the comments here)

that is on my mind.

This was just what i needed as it was the technical aspect of setting up a website that got me.



regards

simon

That was a BIG issue I had with infomillionaire. They make it seem so easy to just put together your site, slap it up and get under 20 cents a click on Google and very little to NO talk about the Google Slap or Quality Score. Trust me...that is a HUGE component that can not be overlooked.

Frank,

I have also sent several tickets to your support regarding my subscription, but have not received any replies back. I was also recently charged $43.95, which was the reason for the 2nd and 3rd ticket to your support. Would you please look into this for me.

Thanks,

Gary B

I wanted to purchase this infomillionair product, but it was sold out. Any idea when is next one coming out?

Off to submit yet another support ticket....don't know what else to do...

I am proud to say I finally received my refund and cancellation from the guys at InfoMillionaire.

Thanks all!

I, too, wanted to leave an update on my dissatisfaction. Within ten minutes of my (second) post on this thread, I was contacted via PM by Frank. This was a bit of a surprise. I had not been reading all the posts and seen that he had been taking a more "active" role after quite a few complaints. After he "checked it out", I did receive a refund of the monthly charge (that should not have been charged) and the initial shipping fee (which I did not expect).

While, in my opinion, they do earn back some support points for that, I still feel that the product is "not enough" in some areas (Adwords campaigns) and "too much" in other areas (developing your own product). If it is directed at "newbies", as they claim, then I think they should have spent more time/training on the Adwords side and introduced the develop product side later in their monthly membership area. Not to many newbies are ready for the product arena.

Lastly, I have to question why, given all the problems they had with the release of the program (10% undelivered/late, support issues, software issues, etc.) did they turn around and re-release it to another 4,000 people just a few weeks after the initial release? I hope they have most of the problems ironed out. Either that or they are gluttons for punishment!

Can somebody please tell me how can I cancel my infomillionaire subscription (and probably get refunded)?

I thought I would get a copy of Infomillionaire when I had the chance to. It sounds like other people have had lots of problems with the service, so I guess I was one of the lucky ones.

It took about 2 weeks for it to ship to me, which isn't too bad considering it took others much longer. After reading about the problems here I quickly contacted the support and asked for them to cancel the subscription so I was not charged for another monthly magazine. They politely did it the next day.

As for Infomillionaire itself, it is much like the other people said. The information is pretty basic, but remember that it is intended for beginners. I thought that it would be a little more than this though and was slightly disappointed.

There actually is some good material in the guide. The PPC section is kind of weak though. At one point he says you can pay as little as .01 cent for each click. I highly doubt that a newbie will be paying that little and getting good traffic though.

Most of the recommendations in the guide are affiliate links. There are some free and/or better alternatives for many options (mentioned earlier in this thread). However, from an IMers perspective, I can understand including affiliate links.

My main problem with the guide is that it is not the easiest plan for beginners. Dreamweaver and hosting? Most newbies would be completely confused. There are many free ways to make landing pages, so beginners should start with those. Also, there is hardly any content on article marketing, which is another good starting place for beginners.

I did enjoy the monthly magazine though. It had some good tips for intermediate level marketers. I haven't checked out the videos or the cd yet, but they may have some good information too and I want to check them out when I get a chance. The swipe html files on the cd sound promising.

All in all, if you are new then I think it is worth the shipping and handling to get this. If you want to get into marketing without spending a lot on Adwords, then there are other good guides to check out too. Thanks for the guide Frank.

Like many who have posted here I am disappointed with Infomillionaire.

As Mick535 stated: The course was not marketed at newbies but was an attempt at simplifying the process of creating/finding a product and marketing it in a way that even a newbie could understand. At no point do I remember the course being labelled as a basic course for beginners only. If this point had been made then they would have suffered reduced sales but at least you would not have intermediate/experienced marketers buying a product telling them how to sign up for Clickbank or a hosting account etc.

I bought the system because I expected some real detail in how to create my own product. There really wasn't much in-depth information. I also would have expected much more detail on how to research a niche. I don't believe that Frank and Trey just head over to Clickbank and do all their research there. There are so many other places to see what are popular niches.

The idea that you can use the Landing Page Creator (Ninja) to put up a few paragraphs of content that will give a good Quality score from Google due to the relevancy of your landing page to the Adwords ad, but that the content is not displayed with the visitor being redirected to the vendor page via your affiliate link, seems deeply flawed.

Google will quickly catch onto this and your click price will shoot through the roof and any future campaigns you wish to run - even if you later put up quality landing pages with no sneaky redirects -will be affected. You would then be forced to set up another Adwords account.

Frank or Trey have already addressed customer service issues but have remained quiet on the validity of using this key technique of Infomillionaire. I would like a solid statement that this technique is not going to draw down the wrath of Google. (In the Monthly Training CD Trey states that this Ninja software redirect technique does not go against Google TOS but that does not seem likely).

Google is only interested in looking after the 'searchers' and delivering the best results to them on any given topic, not having poor quality websites redirecting to affiliate products.

I am in total agreement with Mick535's view on the affiliate links. It is one thing to surf the web and have people recommend products while using affiliate links but when you have paid for a course (with an expectation that you will remain signed on as a member) you expect to get genuine advice without bias...basically advice that will benefit you at the least possible cost and make it as easy as possible.

When I saw the section entitled "Creating a high profit website" I was expecting some useful pointers and examples of website layouts and designs that converted; instead it was just a excuse to promote Dreamweaver via their Ultradreamweaver site (cloaked link to Adobe's site) and FTP software

To recommend Dreamweaver - which is a fairly advanced HTML editor - as a way for beginners to create webpages is ridiculous. I thought the whole point of the course was to simplify the process of getting started and taking action. Learning Dreamweaver is not that simple - I have a 1000 page training manual and a 21 hour video course as testament to that!

There are other ways of quickly creating a web page - Wordpress blogs, weebly.com or other software that can be used to quickly put up a sales page. It might not be as beautiful as a Dreamweaver page but it will be a damn site quicker! None of these other options are mentioned because it will reduce the number of sign ups to the affiliate promotions.

There is free FTP software out there and hosting companies better than the one they recommended.

In summary, Infomillionaire is very basic information that has been cobbled together to allow the inclusion of as many affiliate products as possible, without regard to alternative products/services that might be better suited to an individual but that do not carry a commission.

Some of the information is highly questionable regarding Adwords, something a beginner might have no knowledge of.

The days of putting up low quality sites or simply redirecting visitors to an affiliate site are long gone if you wish to use Adwords or rank well in the organic search results.

The Infomillionaire process seems to have been to hype up a basic product (with limited and dubious info) - that you give away for free - that will make people believe that there is an easy way to create profitable info products, sign them up to a membership scheme, try to upsell them other products and finally use your free product to promote affiliate products.

Very disappointed!

I've got to say I ordered on the first round and received my copy ...........today I'm thinking it went via Stompernet's fulfillment centre Have to say though when I did email support a few weeks ago they could not have been more helpful or nicer - they were really great and re-shipped it pretty well straight away as well as extending the time to cancel etc.

Leanne

Hi folks,

Firstly, thanks to the forum creator(s). I spent many precious hours today reading the contents of this site. I must say it was time well spent.

Secondly, I'd like to extend a sencere thank-you to Frank and Trey for your efforts with this product. I've been in the IT industry for 10+ years, and half of that time was spent doing web design. The funny thing was, until I stumbled upon you guys (and a few others) I had no idea about SEO - strange but true. The Infomillionaire course is excellent. I found a few areas very basic (understandibly), but the IM sections were exactly what I was looking for in the course...and more. Only minor issues with the landing page generator code and screen cam videos.

For those who initially had issues with support requests, I feel your pain, as I'm going through the same issues right now with Google. But more on that later. Within 2 days of sending an email to cancel my subscription, I had a reply saying that it was done.

Now, you're all probably saying "if the course was soooo great, why did you cancel". Well, like many other posters here, the dreaded "Ninja Cloaker" killed me. Initially, I followed the course step by step, making slight modifications. For one, instead of using a landing page, I tried the cloaker tool.

Within 25 minutes of setting up my Adwords account I was suspended. For those of you who say Frank and Trey have horrible support, when was the last time you submitted an email to Google Adwords support? Obviously never...because if you had, you'd realize that NOBODY works at Google. They're a billion dollar company and have nobody answering support questions. Anyway, my account has been suspended for a few weeks, and I just finished tweaking my sites and emailed again begging to have my account re-evaluated, *cross your fingers*.

So to re-iterate: Great course with minor issues, poorly designed ninja cloaker software with Googles new TOS. Google sinks their money into designing bots instead of employing actual humans.

Cheers,
Curtis

P.S. The worst part about all of this is that I have a killer landing page and can't use it...*sigh*

Curtis,

You must be an incredibly tolerant person to still be pleased with the Infomillionaire course when it has got you into such trouble with Google.

I'm confused why you think that you will not be able to use your landing page? Anyone who wants to promote a product can set up their own landing page detailing the product, drive traffic to it via Adwords, SEO, article marketing etc and then at this stage many people will simply have a clickable affiliate link through to the merchant's website. This does not violate Google's TOS because it is your website and it's down to the visitor to click through, you are not redirecting them, while displaying 'invisible' content to the Googlebot.

If you set up a basic review page, you are effectively pre-selling the visitor on the product and then letting the merchant's sales page convert. Personally, I set up a better sales page than the merchant, then use a cloaking tool to hide my affiliate links and forward my visitor directly to the Clickbank payment page, bypassing the merchant's site (unless they have a great sales page!).

I use a cloaking tool that does a great job for me (see my signature for the link) -They have a bunch of videos showing you how you can protect your affiliate links and redirect buyers directly from your landing page straight to the payment page, amongst other things.

Personally, I think it is outrageous that someone of Frank Kern's standing should be backing a product that clearly violates Google's TOS and is guaranteed to get beginners just getting started in IM into such difficulty.

I bought the course because I wanted to learn the detail of creating and marketing information products and did so because I had seen a lot of Frank's free stuff he did when promoting Mass Control - seemed like a knowledgeable, likeable guy. Maybe I should have known better, especially as pretty much all the emails he has sent me recently have been to get me to buy products that he is an affiliate of. What happened to the concept of providing useful content to your list in amongst the things you are promoting?

It's a shame that neither Frank or Trey want to address the serious problem associated with using this software. They've only just developed it and I have no idea why they thought it would fool Google?

alg,
Thanks for the great information. Don't get me wrong, I'm pissed that Frank and Trey would develop, promote and recommend a product that obviously is against Google's TOS. I wish I had a time machine to transport my gullible a$$ back in time. Heck, I guess I should have read the TOS before I uploaded the site. I guess I just expected more from Google, though.

For everyone's viewing pleasure, check out this support reply I got back from Infomillionaire regarding Ninja Cloaker (this was back in Dec):

"Ninja Cloaker is for cloaking your CLICKBANK HOPLINK...

So if you already have a website going, then you don't need it. If your just a clickbank affiliate you can use it then."

Did I miss something?

Derrick,

The "Google slap" is only happening to those of us using the ninja cloaker software. Infomillionaire does have great information to offer. You will not be affected by the 'slap', as you're promoting your own product. Setup a landing page/sales page, and you will be just fine. And for God sakes, don't do what I did... READ Google's Terms and Services. If you don't want trouble, follow it exactly.

Curtis

Hi Sue,

I cannot validate that's correct or not, as I initially set it up with the "Ninja Cloaker", resulting in an account suspension. And although I did 'tinker' with the landing page generator, I cannot recommend it. If you take a look at the code it generates, you'll see a lot of issues. Tags aren't properly setup, which causes viewing issues accross some browsers. It's using graphics that are hosted on the 'infomillionaire' domain, which should have never been done! It just DOESN'T work properly, hah.

Ok, so I got off track here... anyway, Google Adwords is a complex system, and should never have been included with the Infomillionaire course. It confused too many people, myself included. As long as your landing page is relevant with your ads and keywords, you should be fine.

I'm disappointed in the course, and cancelled before the trial period was up. But I just got billed ! and just received the new issue. Shipping envelope was damaged, so I haven't looked at it. Sent an email to CS and got an acknowledgment so will wait for the CS reply.

Your subscription for Infomillionaire Monthly has been cancelled per your request and a refund to your credit card has been processed. If you happen to receive another issue in the interim, please accept it with our compliments!
Please let us know if you decide to come back, and thanks for trying it out!


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Just checked my inbox, here's the refund. I have to say, after the cancellation mix up, they have great customer service.


Fulfillment is another issue. But by looking at everything as a learning experience, I've filed it in the 'important stuff to remember' category.



Here's what I learned beyond the obvious compliance with the Big G's TOS issue:



Consider not shipping or launching physical products in mid-december, too much shipping congestion and you'll get blamed for transit & fulfillment delays.

I got the info package and also got the 1st month of the paid monthly subscription, even though I cancelled 3 weeks ago!

Here is my feedback and I'll try and keep it short...

info package
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Can't complain for $10, good basic info on info marketing but clearly very out of date when it comes to google PPC, disapointed that the Ninja software turns out to be just an iframe generator!, not sure that the 4 paragraphs that you enter do you any good at all, test your pages with the google search keyword tool and it does not seem to see them!, I think it just see's the tittle, description and keywords in the header, someone correct me on this if I'm wrong.

Lots of links broken in the CD, sent support tickets in on billing and other issues, seems like support is a black hole, took a long time to any response

Fast Forward Jan 2009 Newsletter
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Basic news letter - some good info on how to sqeeze more money from your customers IF you already have traffic and your own products, there was sort of an admission that their landing page generator (LPG) and Ninja Cloaker (iframe) suck big time, got to laught at that, well at least they admitted it!, I give them some credit for that, actually managed to write on all 16 sides of the newsletter

Gold Monthly Supplement - this is basically all about an interview with Eben Pagan, he's an info guy who now gross's $25m a year with 80 employee's, I started to watch the video, frank and eban sitting on a black leather couch, frank making silly jokes all the time, eben looking bored, well I fell asleep after about 15 mins of hearing this guys life story, the newsletter, well frank seemed to be struggling, only managed to write on 5 out of the 8 pages, triple spaced lines with snapshots, all about Eben - basically worthless in my opinion

Summary
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It took 3 weeks to get support to tell me I was on the hook for approx $62/month, I'm very glad I cancelled, I would be very disapointed to pay that much for this sort of of info

I get the impression that Frank is now not selling any fun info products and now makes his money from the IM market, Trey to a lesser extent, I see he still has some clickbank sites running

Finally, I got a cold call from a man trying to sell me coaching from Frank Kern, or at least from his "hand picked team of coach's", there was nothing written down, nothing he could send me!

He told me Frank has world class support, I told him it sucked and his products had broken links, he would not have it and just proceeded to tell me that Frank was the world's No1 internet marketer and that I would need to pass a "test" to get in, we mutually agreed that I was not a good match for this service and closed the call as friends

Frank Kern/Trey Smith - nice guys, product very poor value at $62/month!

lol @ kenwarrior,

They cold called you!? Now that sh*t is funny...

This has been an interesting thread.

Guess I'm feeling compelled to add my .02 :-)

TOTALLY enjoyed Franks launch - that alone (and really "getting" how it all fits together) was worth the price of admission.

Had a little mix-up with the monthly billing after canceling. Slow support issues caused a cross up with my week 3 request and the charge I believe - not cool, but fixable and seems that's the intention... I was refunded after shooting an email to support.

The content was reassuring (I understood the process, was familiar with most of the tools and it was a fine basic review). Spotted the afflinks, but already have all the services, so it was neither here nor there.

The adwords section - well, I really appreciated it. Not that it was the content to end all content - far from it - but it DID cause me to take action and dig in and actually DO some. Am I still learning?? You'd better believe I realize there's plenty of nuance to tap into yet. But I'm in the game! And that (imho) is a priceless gift.

As far as the landing page and ninja tools - I tried and used them both. Opened my adwords account on 1/1 so it's been a full month. They both worked fine for me and I didn't get Google slapped. After reading this thread, I'm thinking that I will go ahead and create my own landing pages - both for the practice/growth and for the 'staying off the Google radar' potential, but again feel certain I WOULD NOT have moved forward with this if it hadn't been for those simple solutions being made available at just the right point in the process.

Bottom line? I'm a satisfied customer who is also a business owner and is kind of glad to have seen all aspects of this process - the good and the bad - in person.

Good stuff!
Andrea