Better than Video Boss?

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I've seen all of the emails starting for the relaunch or the new launch of Video Boss over the last couple of days, and was asking a few people if they were going to grab it, and a couple of things happened.

1. People who bought the original product told me that it wasn't really meant for affiliate marketers, or in many cases even product creators. From what I understand, to make videos the way Andy makes them, you would in some cases need to spend a ton of money between the equipment and all the other things needed.

2. Someone told me about a competing product which I checked out.

The Video Slayer | Professional Video Instruction Without The Guru Prices!

I gotta tell you after taking a look, it's a hell of a lot cheaper, and it seems to be geared towards affiliate marketers - Meaning that the content is geared towards low cost production of great looking videos.

I'm not sure if it's actually for sale yet as I shot off an email directly to the creator asking to take a look for promotion that I'm thinking of putting together, but for anyone looking to save a ton of cash, The Video Slayer is a great alternative.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin AKA Hubcap
    Never heard of Video Slayer but Web Video University is good.
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  • Profile picture of the author HotDamnShortSales
    just go to fiverr and look around, you can find kickass videos that you can customize to meet your product/website needs. or Idealogymarketing Video Creation | Use The Power Of Video Marketing
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    • Profile picture of the author zerofill
      Originally Posted by HotDamnShortSales View Post

      just go to fiverr and look around, you can find kickass videos that you can customize to meet your product/website needs. or Idealogymarketing Video Creation | Use The Power Of Video Marketing
      I do outsource quite a bit, but am pretty clueless when it comes to actually creating videos on my own.

      The problem that I've run into with sites like Fiverr is that in a good number of cases, the outsource person is using video templates that they dont' have the rights to...which in the end is a waste of time and money on my part.
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      • Profile picture of the author seankaye
        CAVEAT: I'm promoting Video Boss - that said, I'm going to be honest.

        I bought Video Boss last year and went through it as a student. I thought it was a great course for making video and some of the weaker areas, Andy has indicated that he's re-shot.

        It is certainly not true that it isn't aimed at affiliate marketers and that the equipment costs would be high - that's actually almost the polar opposite of the truth.

        Its a well known fact that Andy has been involved with most of the biggest launches in the last few years. I know from the guys (Jose and Amish) that his work on the Magic Bullet System launch was instrumental - no sales letter, all video.

        What Andy promotes/recommends/suggests is that more internet marketers use video more regularly and that the barriers to entry are mainly time and determination. He is a big proponent of the Kodak Zi8 as a "good enough" solution and really, he goes to great detail showing people how to do video presentations that look awesome with powerpoint and keynote - I mean really, there's no cost barriers there.

        When you start getting into some higher end stuff, he does talk about more expensive gear, but when you're dropping $2000 on a course, you don't want JUST the introductory level stuff.

        He delivers a good module on using video in your marketing and his stuff on "scripts" is supurb.

        On the other hand, I also tried Gideon Shallwick's Rapid Video Blogging course last year and even through I'm promoting Video Boss, I'd say dollar for dollar, Gideon's course is absolutely the best value on the market. He doesn't show you the sexy stuff like andy does, but Gideon's involvement and hands on approach with answering student questions even now, almost a year later is awesome. If he re-releases Rapid Video Blogging, I would jump on it!
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        • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
          I'm just don't get these courses that cost enough to pay most people mortgages for two months. You can almost always find the same information for less than 300.00 in other courses, just without the name attached to them or the "syndicate" launch process.

          Bottom line is learning how to create some really cool looking videos, get some good resources and promote them. Does that cost 2 or 3 Grand to learn how to do? I can't see how or why it would.

          I know Bertram personally, I've seen his videos that he's made and I've seen whats actually inside his course.

          The Video Slayer | Professional Video Instruction Without The Guru Prices!

          and it's a s$%t ton of information. And I can tell you now, it's not going to run anywhere close to four figures. I think most people would be excited to learn how to create videos just like the one he's got on the page.

          *Disclaimer* Yes, he is a friend of mine and I will be helping him promote this when he gets the affiliate program open for it. But whether I knew him or not, the video's this guy makes and the training I've seen are awesome.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
            Hey Bryan,

            good to know on the price stuff...

            I thought about promoting Video Boss, but didn't want to pitch something that costs a mortgage payment to my list...who the hell can afford that these days?
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            • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
              Yea, price wise he said he's going to keep it to where "normal" people can afford it. Don't know to many that can afford to break off a 2 or 3K note these days when they are starting out.
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            • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
              Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

              Hey Bryan,

              good to know on the price stuff...

              I thought about promoting Video Boss, but didn't want to pitch something that costs a mortgage payment to my list...who the hell can afford that these days?
              Who the hell can afford that? How about business owners?

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              • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
                Originally Posted by Gary_The_Ace View Post

                Who the hell can afford that? How about business owners?

                -Gary
                Lol, yea if it was marketed towards them maybe
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                • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
                  Originally Posted by Bryan Zimmerman View Post

                  Lol, yea if it was marketed towards them maybe
                  When you look at it shows how out of touch the marketers are now! as not many people can afford $2-3k , if it was priced around the $200-300 mark that would be better but hey that day pigs will fly...
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Byan & Jeremy

    Not sure if this may have been seen here before but does explain as to why the price is so high , this is openly found on the net via Youtube

    Jason

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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Pettit
    OMG...that video was Disturbing!

    I believe the time is coming when people like those in this video will be behind bars and their face and stories will be all over news programs like 60 Minutes and Primetime.

    I think on Video Boss launch day, marketers should email their lists that video instead of a recomendation or an affiliate link to video boss.

    Unbelievable!!!

    PS: Is Video Slayer available yet? Looks awesome
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    • Profile picture of the author Droopy Dawg
      Yeah it was definitely an eye-opener.

      I kept hearing "Salty Droid" being mentioned in the video... I don't get into any of the huge Guru launches, so I dpn't know who/what that is... but I do know (from videos) who all those guys are mentioned in the video.

      Anyway... I googled "Salty Droid" and took a look at the website. That was more eye-opening than this video posted in this thread.

      Originally Posted by sparkie2260 View Post

      OMG...that video was Disturbing!

      I believe the time is coming when people such as those in this video will be behind bars and their face and stories will be all over news programs like 60 Minutes and Primetime.

      I think on Video Boss launch day, marketers should email their lists that video instead of a recomendation or an affiliate link to video boss.

      Unbelievable!!!

      PS: Is Video Slayer available yet? Looks awesome
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    For me, I'll outsource the video creation.
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by visimedia View Post

      For me, I'll outsource the video creation.
      Visi

      This is more about the product not your way of doing things :p
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  • Profile picture of the author newton
    I see the video has now disappeared but glad I managed to watch it a few hours ago.

    Certainly does open your eyes to how people price their products.

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    • Profile picture of the author SlyMaven
      Hey Guys:

      Does anyone know what the price of The Video Slayer will be?

      Thanks,
      R. C.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
        Originally Posted by R. C. View Post

        Hey Guys:

        Does anyone know what the price of The Video Slayer will be?

        Thanks,
        R. C.
        He won't tell me exactly what it will be, but he said it's going to be crazy cheap compared to what VB is going to charge.

        There's plenty of places to see that video though. They got it taken off youtube, but just search it in google and you'll find a bunch.
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by newton View Post

      I see the video has now disappeared but glad I managed to watch it a few hours ago.

      Certainly does open your eyes to how people price their products.

      Tony
      Tony

      It is a bit of shame that they took the video down , but the funny thing is It would have been up since Oct 2010 last launch of VB ! and only now does it get pulled !! Think they have something to hide. Guess you can see for yourself on this video click here (sourse Salty Driod)
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  • Profile picture of the author fypnlp
    I saw that salty droid video a few weeks ago. I hate to admit it....it didn't suprise me one bit.
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  • Profile picture of the author newton
    I'd never heard of it before it was posted here.

    Now looks like it's been removed from everywhere, can't find it at all.

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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by newton View Post

      I'd never heard of it before it was posted here.

      Now looks like it's been removed from everywhere, can't find it at all.

      Tony
      Tony

      Funny that

      Must have something to do with the re launch of the re hashed product maybe not but you get my drift , I know of another place where the video is will wait and see what the vibe is on this thread
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      • Profile picture of the author AllanWM
        Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

        Tony

        Funny that

        Must have something to do with the re launch of the re hashed product maybe not but you get my drift , I know of another place where the video is will wait and see what the vibe is on this thread

        I would enjoy taking a peek at the video, may be truly enlightening.

        Thanks,
        Allan
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      • Profile picture of the author devogolf
        Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

        Tony

        Funny that

        Must have something to do with the re launch of the re hashed product maybe not but you get my drift , I know of another place where the video is will wait and see what the vibe is on this thread
        I would love to see the video too..! Allan
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        • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
          Originally Posted by devogolf View Post

          I would love to see the video too..! Allan
          You can still see the video, just go to the link Regional Warrior posted in post number 22, but replace the **** with sh$T (without the $) in the url it takes you to and click on the link below the video itself right after it says "Update".

          It takes a while to load, but you can see it.

          Bertram just put the second video up for Video Slayer too.
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  • Profile picture of the author TommyG
    Marketing is not about who is cheaper, it's about perceived value. Those that are able to convey the value of their product better than another will ALWAYS get more sales and generate more revenue. Not everyone thinks of value in terms of who is cheaper. Many people believe that you get what you pay for so they believe that if something costs more they are getting more for it. It's their belief so people will continue to buy these higher priced products. How many of you would sell your ebook for $10 when you know that you could sell MORE if it costs $20? It's perceived value. Real businesses test the cost point of their product and I'm sure Andy has done that too.

    You can complain about it all you want but this is a very good example of how some people are able to do a better job of telling people about the value of their product. They are simply getting you to feel emotional about their product and doing a good job of it! Emotion is the reason behind buying something. Think of what emotions you felt while watching his videos. How can you convey these emotions to your customers.

    Learn from what Andy is doing. He is confident about his product, he conveys a sense of confidence about what he is selling and people believe it! He is a successful business owner and this is what successful business people do! Don't hate it, learn from it so you can grow your own business!
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    • Profile picture of the author SlyMaven
      Hello Everyone:

      Do any of you know the launch date for the Video Slayer?

      Thanks,
      R. C.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
        Originally Posted by R. C. View Post

        Hello Everyone:

        Do any of you know the launch date for the Video Slayer?

        Thanks,
        R. C.
        Bertram said video 2 is coming in the next 48 hours, not sure of the actual launch date on it, but I would imagine it's soon.
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        • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
          Originally Posted by Bryan Zimmerman View Post

          Bertram said video 2 is coming in the next 48 hours, not sure of the actual launch date on it, but I would imagine it's soon.
          Bryan

          I have to say the Video Slayer 2nd video is a little disappointing and very much like VB 2nd video on its launch, or maybe they look the same due to the fact that the same colours are used in the slides.

          Just thought this would have been better the VB but from what I see it is much of the muchness.

          Jason
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Here is another link to the video so that way you can make an informed decision on what has been said.
    There has been a lot discussion around the net on how this was edited bo I guess you amke your own mind up if true its a sad way to do business.

    Jason
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    • Profile picture of the author zerofill
      Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

      Here is another link to the video so that way you can make an informed decision on what has been said.
      There has been a lot discussion around the net on how this was edited bo I guess you amke your own mind up if true its a sad way to do business.

      Jason
      Jeff says 30% refund rate in that video... lol HOLY $HIT!

      LOL... now I have had a lot of merchant accounts through places in my time in business. (owned a computer shop for years to) LOL if I would have had a 30% refund rate on something they probably would have sent a hitman after me... screw the closing the account lol.

      Don't care what anyone says... the only way it is even possible for a processor not to shut you down with a 30% refund rate is.

      1) The processor has multiple merchant accounts
      2) Many of those merchant accounts are under various names
      3) You round robin sales over multiple merchant accounts under different names to thin the refund rate down across them all...

      I mean there is no way that you wouldn't end up on a terminated merchants list with that type of refund rate through a normal payment processor/merchant account.

      As for the Video Boss/Video Slayer... pretty smart to jump on the launch cycle of an incredibly high priced product with a similar low cost alternative product. If enough people see it he will probably do better than Andy after the refunds are done. Sometimes volume is the key versus large price point. People value things that cost more so they say... but... how much more they value them when you hear 30% refund rate is a different story lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    Anyone know if they plan to announce what exactly has changed in Video Boss to make it "Bossier?"

    So far its the same content / launch stuff from Video Boss 1...unless they are just relaunching the same course again and calling it Bossier?
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    • Profile picture of the author TommyG
      Originally Posted by Dexx View Post

      Anyone know if they plan to announce what exactly has changed in Video Boss to make it "Bossier?"

      So far its the same content / launch stuff from Video Boss 1...unless they are just relaunching the same course again and calling it Bossier?
      I wondered the same thing. I watched the videos and much of what was shown was shown in last years launch as well. He seemed to add more comical stuff to get people to lighten up and feel good about him. He comes off as one of your excited friends wanting to show you something cool but not selling to you. This is what Andy is good at and he gets a lot of people wanting his stuff because of this. Even if there is nothing new I'm sure it will get lots of sales because of this.

      Having watched the first two videos from Video Slayer I got the impression he is copying Video Boss to capitalize on the market that won't pay the high price for "Ole cuzin Andy's" stuff. Smart idea as I'm sure he will get business from it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by Dexx View Post

      Anyone know if they plan to announce what exactly has changed in Video Boss to make it "Bossier?"

      So far its the same content / launch stuff from Video Boss 1...unless they are just relaunching the same course again and calling it Bossier?
      Dexx

      I think the whole VB program is going to have some problems now, as things have changed and there are I think to many other programs out there now that do the same but cost a lot less.Also not many can now afford 1-2k on a program that some will never use, well not all of it!!

      The relaunch look like he is using some old and new vids to entice victims in to buy have to wait and see

      Jason
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      • Profile picture of the author tinyreal
        Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

        Dexx

        I think the whole VB program is going to have some problems now, as things have changed and there are I think to many other programs out there now that do the same but cost a lot less.Also not many can now afford 1-2k on a program that some will never use, well not all of it!!

        The relaunch look like he is using some old and new vids to entice victims in to buy have to wait and see

        Jason
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  • Profile picture of the author Zero
    Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

    I've seen all of the emails starting for the relaunch or the new launch of Video Boss over the last couple of days, and was asking a few people if they were going to grab it, and a couple of things happened.

    1. People who bought the original product told me that it wasn't really meant for affiliate marketers, or in many cases even product creators. From what I understand, to make videos the way Andy makes them, you would in some cases need to spend a ton of money between the equipment and all the other things needed.

    2. Someone told me about a competing product which I checked out.

    The Video Slayer | Professional Video Instruction Without The Guru Prices!

    I gotta tell you after taking a look, it's a hell of a lot cheaper, and it seems to be geared towards affiliate marketers - Meaning that the content is geared towards low cost production of great looking videos.

    I'm not sure if it's actually for sale yet as I shot off an email directly to the creator asking to take a look for promotion that I'm thinking of putting together, but for anyone looking to save a ton of cash, The Video Slayer is a great alternative.
    I'm not buying it, promoting nor have i even seen the course. But i have watched the pre-launch videos and he has clearly stated you don't need fancy equipment at all, and you can use the video boss formula for selling stuff for just about anything.
    So you can use it for affiliate stuff or your own stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author tinyreal
    I drank the Kool Aid and bought Product Launch Formula. Jeff definitely over delivers, which is a sales technique, but was it worth the 2400 I paid (payment plan)? I haven't given it the best effort yet, but I know it has a boatload of stuff it in. It's definitely kept me form jumping into other big name products. Well, thats not entirely true, that and the WF have kept me out. I've spent about one payment worth of PLF on WSO and other stuff here and have learned a ton.

    If I had found the Droid before I bought PLF I would have passed on it. The stuff that he has on these guys is enlightening for sure. That talk between Jenkins and Walker (and he has another one about the new rollout on the site) makes you realize what they are all about.

    What I don't like is despite Walker making a few million off the launch, he still included affiliate links in his resources. Sorry, I think thats a little slimey. I just paid you 2400 bucks and now you want to make my Aweber and merchant account money too? How about offering Aweber for minus your affiliate deal for the first year? I'm not anti affiliate marketing, but if you paid me 2400 bucks, Id give you any thing I had an affiliate or white label deal on for my cost. Does anyone agree with this, or am I really off base?

    Like I said, I can't judge the content of PLF harshly just yet and they did set up a mastermind that looks promising, but I was disgusted after listening to the droid.

    Jenkin's video stuff looks great, but I have enough trouble figuring out whether to buy the Profits or Optimize press theme and how hard it will be to use. Ill pass for now but will look into video slayer if its affordable.

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    • Profile picture of the author Zero
      Originally Posted by tinyreal View Post

      I drank the Kool Aid and bought Product Launch Formula. Jeff definitely over delivers, which is a sales technique, but was it worth the 2400 I paid (payment plan)? I haven't given it the best effort yet, but I know it has a boatload of stuff it in. It's definitely kept me form jumping into other big name products. Well, thats not entirely true, that and the WF have kept me out. I've spent about one payment worth of PLF on WSO and other stuff here and have learned a ton.

      If I had found the Droid before I bought PLF I would have passed on it. The stuff that he has on these guys is enlightening for sure. That talk between Jenkins and Walker (and he has another one about the new rollout on the site) makes you realize what they are all about.

      What I don't like is despite Walker making a few million off the launch, he still included affiliate links in his resources. Sorry, I think thats a little slimey. I just paid you 2400 bucks and now you want to make my Aweber and merchant account money too? How about offering Aweber for minus your affiliate deal for the first year? I'm not anti affiliate marketing, but if you paid me 2400 bucks, Id give you any thing I had an affiliate or white label deal on for my cost. Does anyone agree with this, or am I really off base?

      Like I said, I can't judge the content of PLF harshly just yet and they did set up a mastermind that looks promising, but I was disgusted after listening to the droid.

      Jenkin's video stuff looks great, but I have enough trouble figuring out whether to buy the Profits or Optimize press theme and how hard it will be to use. Ill pass for now but will look into video slayer if its affordable.

      Mike
      That audio was very troubling to say the least - but i remain on Andy Jenkins lsit, simply because he delivers great content - to observe his email marketing stuff and because even when he does promote affiliate stuff - he delivers good information along with the promotion.
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  • Profile picture of the author tinyreal
    Walker white labels or whatever he does with a merchant account, so he probably can work his way around some deals bringing all that moolah in.

    that being said, i was shocked to hear 30% myself

    Like I said I think the product has potential just didnt like the affiliate links, that was a quick turn off for me
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  • Profile picture of the author TommyG
    Well I just got Andy's last video boss video. Or at least he said it's the last one for the launch. It has a $2000 price tag or $388 per month for 6 months.

    If Video Slayer is similar to Video Boss with regards to content I'm sure he'll do well since he's talking about a much lower price tag. Still I think Andy will do well on his launch. He is very good at creating a "I gotta have it" emotion in people. Maybe the 30% refund rate others talked about earlier suddenly becomes buyers remorse after they see it.
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  • Profile picture of the author AllAboutAction
    Disclaimer: I don't know Andy, Jeff, or any of these other guys, nor have I bought their products. I have watched their launch videos though.

    I don't see what the big hang-up over Jeff telling Andy to charge $2000 for the product is? It's clear that Jeff is mentoring Andy and feels that his product brings a lot of value, so he recommends he raise his price. Simple business: charge for the value you bring, not the time you spend. If I pay $2000 for video boss and it makes me $20k, did Andy rip me off?

    Yeah, the false-scarcity tactics are questionable, but it's a fact in this business -- just look anywhere. For folks on this forum to get upset by that is quite often a case of the pot calling the kettle black (although I admit to having been a bit peeved by it myself, or at least the perception thereof).

    Don't forget, Andy is a real seasoned Hollywood professional who actually went to film school (or so he says). This isn't some teenager who read a book on video production. If he teaches you how to make the kinds of videos he makes, how can it not be worth it? Even if someone else is selling a video production course for 1/10th the price, how do you know the quality is the same? And even then, see my statement about the value added above. I'd say Andy's credentials in the business would indicate that he knows about making videos that make you money.

    Now again, I don't know these guys and am certainly not defending any of them, but please don't think that just because someone charges a high price for something means that it is a scam. You need to look at the value added to see if it's worth it or not. If it's not worth it, the laws of supply and demand will take care of that in short order (besides, most of these products have a 100% money-back guarantee). If you think it's too expensive for you, don't buy it! A BMW M5 is expensive too, but I still see people choosing them over a Camry and being happy with that decision.

    And speaking of refunds, I'm not sure why a merchant account would care about vendor-originated refunds as long as people are not doing chargebacks. If he is willingly refunding money I'm not sure why they'd care, especially if he works with a company that's used to this industry. Then again, I don't have any experience with anywhere close to that large of a refund rate!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Allaboutaction,

      I don't think that there is any issue with Jeff telling Andy to charge 2K for his course...if that is what they think it's worth...it's his product, he can charge whatever he wants.

      I think what people take exception with are the things like

      "make them think it's the magic bullet"
      "most of them don't have real businesses anyway"

      type of stuff...

      As far as the refunds go, paypal will **** can you if 30% of your customers refund..chargebacks or not...many merchant accounts will at the very least call you and say:

      "hey, what the hell are you guys doing over there that 30% of your customers are refunding"

      ...especially considering that merchant accounts already consider "digital products' high risk anyway...

      At the end of the day though, I started the thread to compare the two products knowing that the content of Video Slayer was going to be very similar to VB at a price that is substantially less, figuring that anyone that was looking to pull the trigger might like a cheaper alternative.
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      • Profile picture of the author AllAboutAction
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        Allaboutaction,

        I think what people take exception with are the things like

        "make them think it's the magic bullet"
        "most of them don't have real businesses anyway"
        I can see how those could be a bit incendiary, but I have to say I don't find those comments all those shocking. The first is the objective of just about any marketing textbook ever made, and the second most likely refers to the mentality of people unwilling to invest in themselves and their businesses. A poor choice of words, to be sure, but nothing (again) that should shock anyone reading this forum. Besides, it was a private conversation after all. We all speak differently in private that we do in a podcast or webinar or in any other public setting!

        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        As far as the refunds go, paypal will **** can you if 30% of your customers refund..chargebacks or not...many merchant accounts will at the very least call you and say:

        "hey, what the hell are you guys doing over there that 30% of your customers are refunding"

        ...especially considering that merchant accounts already consider "digital products' high risk anyway...
        True enough, although I seem to remember one of Jeff Walker's launch videos or podcasts of times past talking about working with payment processors that understand the industry and/or business model.

        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post


        At the end of the day though, I started the thread to compare the two products knowing that the content of Video Slayer was going to be very similar to VB at a price that is substantially less, figuring that anyone that was looking to pull the trigger might like a cheaper alternative.
        Fair enough, and I apologize if I've detracted from that goal. I would actually love to see someone take both courses and review both side-by-side.
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        • Profile picture of the author zerofill
          Originally Posted by AllAboutAction View Post

          True enough, although I seem to remember one of Jeff Walker's launch videos or podcasts of times past talking about working with payment processors that understand the industry and/or business model.
          Yeah the type of payment processor I mentioned above...

          See you can have an "understanding processor" but they can understand all they want. They (the understanding processors) still have to deal with the actual entities Visa/Mastercard in the end. They aren't that tolerant...

          So to get away with that you would have to be spreading it out over multiple merchant accounts under multiple names and or company names.

          1 launch... maybe you can make up an excuse... 2 launches with the same result... your done.

          Sort of like forming multiple corporations... one loans money to one, that loans money to another, that goes under eventually... and you claim a loss... Basically how they (companies) don't give 30% of their money to the government.
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        • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
          Originally Posted by AllAboutAction View Post

          I would actually love to see someone take both courses and review both side-by-side.
          So you want somebody to purchase both courses and go through them? Then spend the additional time to prepare a nice report/review for you, so that you can consider buying one of them?

          Hell, I think people will beat a path to your door to take you up on that proposition.

          Be cautious though, because if somebody does that for you, they might have the audacity to insert their affiliate link in the review.

          You know how those shady marketer types can operate sometimes...
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Jeremy & Allaboutaction

    I think Bryan has the video slayer course ! I may be wrong there but I am sure he will correct me on that one

    Andy has I think become a victim of his own success with VB course, what I mean is that there are now a lot more people myself included that do videos after all there are 3 warriors who make a good living out of doing just that for people who need to know how the what and the why.

    And now that fiverr has come along , do you really need to pay out big bucks for something in most cases you can get done for under $100, I am looking forward to the Vidoe Slayer course and see whats new! but untill it is on the market and VBII is in pre launch stage will it be any good or just the same with maybe 2-3 extra videos guess we have to wait and see.

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  • Profile picture of the author SusanUSA
    Hey Jeremy - I did buy Video Boss the first time around. It was expensive and thankfully I could make payments. But I learned how to create videos (I am into "just-in-time learning) and created a new membership program using the videos to promote the site and then I created video lessons.

    The result is that I recruited 250 members at $90 each. That more than paid for my Video Boss lessons. I am now rolling the program into a continuity model and charging my new 500 members $30 a month.

    Video Boss was an excellent investment for me. Since my audience is not IMers, I am not an affiliate. But I am a very happy buyer.

    I hope all is well with you! It's been a while since we connected.
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    • Profile picture of the author tinyreal
      Originally Posted by SusanUSA View Post

      Hey Jeremy - I did buy Video Boss the first time around. It was expensive and thankfully I could make payments. But I learned how to create videos (I am into "just-in-time learning) and created a new membership program using the videos to promote the site and then I created video lessons.

      The result is that I recruited 250 members at $90 each. That more than paid for my Video Boss lessons. I am now rolling the program into a continuity model and charging my new 500 members $30 a month.

      Video Boss was an excellent investment for me. Since my audience is not IMers, I am not an affiliate. But I am a very happy buyer.

      I hope all is well with you! It's been a while since we connected.
      Susan that is pretty awesome
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    • Profile picture of the author Dexx
      Originally Posted by SusanUSA View Post

      Hey Jeremy - I did buy Video Boss the first time around. It was expensive and thankfully I could make payments. But I learned how to create videos (I am into "just-in-time learning) and created a new membership program using the videos to promote the site and then I created video lessons.

      The result is that I recruited 250 members at $90 each. That more than paid for my Video Boss lessons. I am now rolling the program into a continuity model and charging my new 500 members $30 a month.
      Any chance of showing us one of your videos Susan? I'd love to see a student's version of what is taught vs what Andy promises!

      ~Dexx
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    • Profile picture of the author James Sides
      Everything else aside...I felt the urge to vomit after watching that video...

      I understand marketing and have spent $2,000 on classes/courses and always gotten a good ROI and this very well may provide a great ROI...but to talk about people like that...disgusting.

      What ever happened to actually caring about the results your customers are obtaining?

      I might feel even stronger about it since I just finished reading "The Millionaire Messenger" by Brendon Bruchard and all through the book he goes back to make it about value and the money will come on its own.

      This was the same strategy I used in offline sales for the last 10 years that helped me become very successful in what I did.

      Damnit, really that video makes me want to puke.

      Cheers all,

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      • Profile picture of the author seankaye
        Originally Posted by Fenderkid View Post


        I might feel even stronger about it since I just finished reading "The Millionaire Messenger" by Brendon Bruchard and all through the book he goes back to make it about value and the money will come on its own.
        You do know that book was written and published in under six weeks as a way of building a wider list for Brendon when he launched Total Product Blueprint back in may, right?

        Message aside, it was a marketing ploy. He used his list, called in favours from all of his friends he took to the Super Bowl in January, they promoted the hell out of the book to their lists to get it to #1 on the NYT Best Sellers list so that Brendon could release a course three months later about - creating and marketing products.

        Oh yeah, and by the way, he just picked up one of the biggest publishing deals of the decade.

        I say good on him, I promoted Total Product Blueprint and made decent money out of it.

        Andy Jenkins took apart his second opt-in video at Trey Smith's seminar a few weeks back, scene by scene. Like Jason said, the scripting was genius. The marketing is incredible.

        Love or hate those guys, you can't deny they are smarter than the average bear when it comes to marketing. They're the ones doing the $3m+ launches all the time.

        You can take a video course from some guy who has no professional training, has never really sold anything online of note and clearly isn't a great marketer OR you can take Video Boss and learn from a guy with an NYU Film School Background, who's won an Emmy for editing and has been involved with $30m of launches in the last year and was behind the biggest launch of all time, StomperNet.

        I wouldn't crap on the guy because he charges $2k for his product - you can't afford it, don't buy it. You don't want to spend the money, don't. But if you can get one nugget out of it that helps him be as successful as he is and you turn that into action, chances are, the course will pay for itself many times over.

        The fact is, we all know the psychology of this stuff. 95% of people pay and do nothing. A great many of those few buy the $2k course instead of the $27 course because they say to themselves, "If he can charge that much, it must be good." These people are NEVER going to take action, so whether they spend $27, $270, $2000 or $27,000 it really is only a math question.

        I agree with you whole heartedly about value though and when you talk to Andy personally, outside of him promoting and selling, he loves seeing people be successful - he gets a great kick out of it. Which is nice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Hart
    lol I saw that video on salty droids blog last year, pretty eye opening to say the least.

    Anyone that defends most of what is said is kidding themselves.

    They have zero intention of helping newbies, they provide just enough info to keep you wanting more and not enough to allow you to become confident enough to see them for what they are.
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  • Profile picture of the author zerofill
    I actually think the videos Andy shows and creates are pretty sweet to be honest... same with Video Slayer. But that last video Andy dropped he said took him 4 days.

    I dunno about everyone else... but I am not looking to build videos that take 4 days even for sales pages. I am sure there are many that do want to do that. Especially for businesses, etc... But I am not in the business of selling videos I create. I sell my own products, affiliate products, CPA marketing, handle offline clients, Software, etc...

    I think the average person that isn't selling their video skills... wants the same thing I want.

    1) Videos that don't look like the typical YouTube junk
    2) Have the potential of going viral
    3) Sales videos that evoke emotion
    4) Are quick to produce, and get out there
    5) Does some branding

    While typically I outsource... There are times when I want to create a video myself for certain things. Then I get exactly what I wanted...

    So I don't plan on making videos all day long. Will still outsource most of it. On the occasion that I want one specifically a certain way, I will make one.

    I think that is the audience that Video Slayer will dominate.

    Where Video Boss won't...

    But for people that want production quality, TV/Hollywood style green screen, and want to sell videos etc... Video Boss may be their choice.

    It just depends on how much time you want to commit to just the video production end of things versus selling... Where I am putting out things all the time all over the net.. Content everywhere. Like a lot of affiliate/CPA marketers and product creators.

    I did just buy a blue microphone yeti mic... and it is pretty sweet!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Fladlien
      Warning: I am an affiliate, in fact I just did a webinar with Andy Jenkins today.

      I am not part of the "good old boys club" and frankly the overall concept of the syndicate I think is dumb, and I would not want to be a part of it even if invited. I also don't care too much for 2k "stand alone" products.

      The reason I decided to promote Video Boss was because IN SPITE of all this stuff, it is seriously the best course on video marketing I've seen (and yes I own it and have went through it and have used a lot of it personally in my business).

      There are a lot of misconceptions of what Video Boss is. Probably do to how Andy marketed it. He marketed with the high gloss, slick production videos. That's nice. Andy loves doing that stuff, because he comes from the FILM world.

      I don't do fancy videos. Never have, never will. If I need that stuff, I outsource it.

      The fancy video stuff is one small portion of Video Boss. My personal favorite part of video boss was the scripting and pacing stuff. The CONTENT of the video, not the production values of the video.

      I got TREMENDOUS value out of that. People who think that video scripting is just "copywriting set in motion" miss the point and Andy does a really good job of teaching SCRIPTING methods that enhance persuasion, NOT just copywriting principles slightly tweaked and applied to video.

      Someone mentioned somewhere that you could get a full year of lynda.com to learn all the video stuff Andy teaches for only $250. That's probably true if we're just talking about PRODUCTION.

      But we're not. Video boss in my opinion is an actual thorough, fully complete video course that covers EVERY important aspect of video. Not just a small part, but everything. That's why I like it, that's why I own it, and that's why I promoted in spite of all the syndicate stuff and the high price and all that other jazz.

      My 2 cents.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
        There is no doubt the video's Andy made were sweet looking, don't think anyone can deny that. Bottom line is the value you get out of something. If you think it's worth 2K and you get the value you need out of it, then you're good to go, it was worth the 2k for you and the world is all good. But..

        My experience (and I can only speak for myself here) I have yet to see a 2K course that you couldn't get the same information out of another course or two for two to three hundred dollars. Mass Control is a good example for me anyway. Granted I bought for different reasons than most (I gave it away to build a nice list), but I went through it before I did. The information in there wasn't worth 2K to me and could have been found in multiple courses honestly. Again, only my opinion on that as there are people who paid it and went on to create great businesses for themselves as a result of that course.

        There are countless examples of products that are just as good, if not better than some of these high priced, syndicate pushed, $1000 affiliate payment courses that cost pennies compared to them.

        Jason (and this post is not directed at you in anyway), you've got countless products and the few of them I've bought have all over delivered BIG time and I don't believe I've seen one from you that's over $100.00. Much of your stuff is better than I've seen from these 2K courses.

        Most people as Don said just want to learn how to make some cool looking videos that aren't your run of the mill "hi, I'm doing a open office power point slide show and putting it on you tube". Something that looks good, has the chance to go viral, brand themselves and make them some more money. Ideally, they'd like to do it without paying the sum equal to two mortgage payments to do that because most just don't have it.

        For 2K, I'd got down to Full Sail and spend 4 months in a real video studio 4 hours a day and get a hands on education from the guys that actually make video game commercials and T.V. adds.

        Of course all this is just my opinion, because as I said in the beginning of this post, the only person that can put the real value on something is yourself.
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      • Profile picture of the author jameswatson
        Thanks for clarifying that Jason, I really wondered why you were promoting the Video Boss re-launch.

        I don't own it but was naturally skeptical for a million reasons...

        However I totally agree that scripting and persuasion is way more valuable than production and will now take a look at it because of your recommendation.

        Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author julesw
    The launch of the Video Boss looks slick but the price tag is high.

    Definitely interested in seeing some of the videos produced from past Video Boss students to see what they managed to produce.

    I thought they could have been featured as testimonials for the relaunch.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenrick C
      This thread is very fascinating. Let me know how Video Slayer and Video Boss stack up against Web Video University. I plan to purchase the annual membership to Web Video University in the Fall after I complete setting up my niche sites and their first monthly SEO off-page campaigns.

      I like Web Video University's crystal clear screen capture videos and want to learn how to produce the same; using Camtasia, Sony Vegas, and After Effects.
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      • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
        I am looking to learn how to make better videos and started to watch a Video Boss promotional video and got bored after a couple of minutes and started checking my mail in another window. 10 minutes later, I gave up listening and only learned the price when I searched on here to see what warriors were saying about it and to get information about it quicker than watching a lengthy video.

        If this training benefited my business as it has done in SusanUSA's case I wouldn't worry too much about the price tag, but if a promotional video for video making training that I am genuinely interested in purchasing can't hold my attention for long then I've got to question the quality of the training.

        To be fair most lengthy promotional videos don't impress me, I'm more likely to part with my money after watching quicker, to the point videos that show me what they are selling and how I will benefit without any time wasting fuss, but that's me. Think I'll take a look at Video Slayer when it launches, hopefully I won't get bored.
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        • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
          Originally Posted by PatriciaJ View Post

          I am looking to learn how to make better videos and started to watch a Video Boss promotional video and got bored after a couple of minutes and started checking my mail in another window. 10 minutes later, I gave up listening and only learned the price when I searched on here to see what warriors were saying about it and to get information about it quicker than watching a lengthy video.

          If this training benefited my business as it has done in SusanUSA's case I wouldn't worry too much about the price tag, but if a promotional video for video making training that I am genuinely interested in purchasing can't hold my attention for long then I've got to question the quality of the training.

          To be fair most lengthy promotional videos don't impress me, I'm more likely to part with my money after watching quicker, to the point videos that show me what they are selling and how I will benefit without any time wasting fuss, but that's me. Think I'll take a look at Video Slayer when it launches, hopefully I won't get bored.
          Patricia

          I think with the Video Boss series is that there can only be a few chages to the original one , Powerpoint still does what it does so I done think there would be much of a change there , Camtaisia I think was still vr 7 when this last got realease! so if this is the case all I think you may see changed is the on camera videos as in new products , I think when the Video Slayer comes out It may be like some of the others of late.

          There was another that came out just before Xmass that was a very good Power Point course on how to do really great sales videos , maybe someone may know the name and post it on here .

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    nyc thread..and nyc info!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    I just checked out the Video Slayer squeezepage and I want to comment on who has the best produced video - Bertram or Andy. As these courses both promise to teach you video mastery, this is a pretty fair indicator of the quality of the training you will get and the quality of the results you could be expected to get by following their respective courses.

    Comparing Bertram's Video to one of Andy's (and removing the 'personality' factor) Andy's are far better produced. Betram made a couple of very obvious errors - He neglected to use exit animation for his text and graphics giving the transitions a 'jerky' and 'abrupt' feel. He also seems to have used Camtasia's awful in-built audio leveling which always makes it sound like you are talking through a flanger, however good a mic you have. The narration was not chopped as well as Andy's and scripting was better on Andy's work too.

    But does this matter?

    Maybe not.

    You can pay $2k for what amounts to a full education in the field of video marketing. Or you can pay less (still don't know how much less) and still get a way of making some videos which may well be 100% better than most people can make right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author JMSD
    Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

    I've seen all of the emails starting for the relaunch or the new launch of Video Boss over the last couple of days, and was asking a few people if they were going to grab it, and a couple of things happened.

    1. People who bought the original product told me that it wasn't really meant for affiliate marketers, or in many cases even product creators. From what I understand, to make videos the way Andy makes them, you would in some cases need to spend a ton of money between the equipment and all the other things needed.

    2. Someone told me about a competing product which I checked out.

    The Video Slayer | Professional Video Instruction Without The Guru Prices!

    I gotta tell you after taking a look, it's a hell of a lot cheaper, and it seems to be geared towards affiliate marketers - Meaning that the content is geared towards low cost production of great looking videos.

    I'm not sure if it's actually for sale yet as I shot off an email directly to the creator asking to take a look for promotion that I'm thinking of putting together, but for anyone looking to save a ton of cash, The Video Slayer is a great alternative.
    The cheaper alternative is to go to Bill Myers Online and buy his video tutorials on DVDs (price range from $29 - $97 for a combo pack) and if you join his membership site ($9/m) you get tons of additional help on speaking video and screen-capture video production via his extraordinarily helpful forum where Bill, himself, answers your questions. So you stay up-to-date with additional video demos that he produces (almost by the minute) to help his members.

    Been a member for three years and have bought every product of his which are plain brilliant!

    Andy's sales presentations are slick, professional and a real hoot to watch (I love his humour and style) but at $2000, isn't one buying into using a sledgehammer to crack a nut? Most of the videos on YouTube that have huge viewing (six figures or more) and which attract major advertisers to appear on them are those often created by total amateurs who use simple techniques and relatively inexpensive tools.

    - okay, he may have a film making background but I bet he didn't use expensive tools. He's raking it in with ads from major players.

    - eight figure views - filming outsourced!
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      Originally Posted by JMSD View Post

      The cheaper alternative is to go to Bill Myers Online and buy his video tutorials on DVDs (price range from $29 - $97 for a combo pack) and if you join his membership site ($9/m) you get tons of additional help on speaking video and screen-capture video production via his extraordinarily helpful forum where Bill, himself, answers your questions. So you stay up-to-date with additional video demos that he produces (almost by the minute) to help his members.

      Been a member for three years and have bought every product of his which are plain brilliant!

      Andy's sales presentations are slick, professional and a real hoot to watch (I love his humour and style) but at $2000, isn't one buying into using a sledgehammer to crack a nut? Most of the videos on YouTube that have huge viewing (six figures or more) and which attract major advertisers to appear on them are those often created by total amateurs who use simple techniques and relatively inexpensive tools.

      YouTube - &#x202a;The Mean Kitty Song&#x202c;&rlm; - okay, he may have a film making background but I bet he didn't use expensive tools. He's raking it in with ads from major players.

      YouTube - &#x202a;JK Wedding Entrance Dance&#x202c;&rlm; - eight figure views - filming outsourced!
      That's sounds like what I need to start me off. I've watched both of those videos several times before, love em.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicole G
    Does anyone know how you still buy the video boss? I never knew it relaunched, and missed it.
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  • Profile picture of the author mmjalliance
    interesting thread right here , i never find better than the video boss but it's my opinion
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