How do you feel about Free Auto Responders?

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Hey guys, I recently had some complications with my AR client - they lost all of my leads and is no longer functional so I am in search of a great AR client to use.

I would like to have unlimited campaigns with unlimited subscribers, link tracking, customizable forms, and thank you pages

Sounds simple enough but the sites I have checked out are very limited.

I would appreciate your suggestions

Ben
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  • Profile picture of the author anthony2
    Originally Posted by giversunite View Post

    Hey guys, I recently had some complications with my AR client - they lost all of my leads and is no longer functional so I am in search of a great AR client to use.

    I would like to have unlimited campaigns with unlimited subscribers, link tracking, customizable forms, and thank you pages

    Sounds simple enough but the sites I have checked out are very limited.

    I would appreciate your suggestions

    Ben
    The autoresponder i use is aweber and have been using them for
    years now and never had a problem.

    The other very good autoresponders are icontact and getresponse.

    Also if you are looking to build a real online business then leave the free
    autoresponders alone. There not worth it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      I think that a service business like Aweber or GetResponse is in general more reliable than a self hosted client.

      I have used both and I find I have way less problems overall with Aweber.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Nobody actually "needs" a free autoresponder.

        People only imagine that they do, and that there'll be some long-term benefit to starting that way, and that in some meaningful sense it'll be better than not having one at all.

        Aweber charges $1 for the first month and $19 per month thereafter. If you're not covering $20 in two months, the reality is that you don't have a business at all, and that's not something that using a free autoresponder is somehow magically going to correct.

        In my opinion, using a free autoresponder is one of the very most ill-advised and misguided things one can do, in internet marketing.

        Few people are more keen on list-building than I am, but I think for most people it's better to start without an autoresponder, temporarily, than it is to use a free one. And (unlike the situation with regard to free hosting), with autoresponders it IS specifically the fact they're free that causes the potential disasters/risks, in my view.

        The question you have to ask yourself is whether it can possibly be wise to entrust the safe-keeping and security of your business's greatest, most important and least replaceable asset (your list) to a company whose business model is that of being a free autoresponder. I think that it's generally right at the start of their internet marketing careers, when people understandably have the least judgement about such situations, and the least awareness of the facts and realities involved, that such mistakes tend to be made.

        I suspect that people imagine something along the lines of "Well, I can always start with a free autoresponder until I've made some money, and then make the switch to a better one". Usually, one can't easily do that. Moving established lists from one autoresponder company to another is typically hugely difficult, and very commonly results in all one's subscribers needing - at best - to opt in all over again. Many Warriors have commented here that they've lost between two-thirds and three-quarters of their lists, this way!

        Some people just shrug and say "Well, you can always back it up regularly, can't you?". Easily said. What are you going to do with it, after you've "backed it up"? How are you going to import it elsewhere? Who's going to allow you to import it elsewhere, and under what conditions? (People don't always think about these problems. But the experience of Warriors who have actually had to try to do this seems to me to point to its being something of a nightmare and a disaster).

        In the case of Mailchimp, obviously enough, the situation's very clear to anyone willing to make the effort to read their Terms of Service. In the case of other "free autoresponders" (of which there are several), it's usually very much less clear, unfortunately. Typically, those recommending one, in my opinion, are only recent list-builders themselves and may not yet be aware of some of the longer-term pitfalls.

        Some of these companies even attach to every email their customers send out to their lists a clickable link advertising their own free service! :p It's literally the autoresponder equivalent of having a little website advising people about <whatever> sitting at Yola, with a big clickable link at the bottom of the page advertising "Get your free website here with Yola".

        How professional does that look?!

        Some of these companies also don't yet have a very well established business model. Who really knows if they're still going to be there 3 years later? But if they're not, that can be an absolute disaster to your business!

        On previous occasions when I've made that point, someone with a financial interest in a "free autoresponder" business has replied, mentioning that I don't know that Aweber or GetResponse will still be there in 3 years' time, either. I honestly think this a pretty silly argument, because it should be clear to all of us that the odds are stacked in one's favour if one uses Aweber (for example) and against one if one uses a "free autoresponder".

        If necessary, I'd make a sale or two without having a list, and then start with Aweber when one has $1 to spare.

        The set-up costs even for internet marketing businesses which do everything professionally, right from the start, are absolutely minuscule ...

        My perspective only - there are others who disagree, of course. One or two of them are owners of free autoresponder businesses.

        And some others, I think, are pretty inexperienced and have maybe not yet encountered any problems - in contrast to others here whose warning-posts can readily be found with the search function, by those willing to look, including for the posts like this.
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        • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
          Since Alexa seems to keep referencing this post it in every thread where my List Wire service comes up, I figured it was about time I respond and set the record straight...

          I'll let you make your own decision, based on the facts, and not the opinions of one single person who seems hell bent on chiming in every time our name comes up... even though she's never used our service herself. (DOH!)

          And just to be clear, I'm ONLY talking about List Wire in this thread... I can't speak for anyone else, and wouldn't want anyone else to speak for me.

          So, here we go...

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Nobody actually "needs" a free autoresponder.

          People only imagine that they do, and that there'll be some long-term benefit to starting that way, and that in some meaningful sense it'll be better than not having one at all.

          Aweber charges $1 for the first month and $19 per month thereafter. If you're not covering $20 in two months, the reality is that you don't have a business at all, and that's not something that using a free autoresponder is somehow magically going to correct.
          This is completely, and totally false... and I'm going to prove it to you.

          If you're not covering $20 in two months, you'd fall into the 98%+ of online marketers who are just starting out. The fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of online marketers don't make any money in their first few months... and based on surveys sent to my lists of several hundred thousand Internet marketers, and the lists of several other prominent internet marketers, well over 50% of people don't make a single cent in their first full year online.

          Again, that's not my opinion, it's based on survey data sent to more than one million internet marketers over the course of the past 2 years... now those people could, of course, be lying... but if they were lying, wouldn't you think they'd claim to be more successful than they are, rather than less?

          Alexa also seems to forget that there are literally BILLIONS of people on this planet for whom a $20 a month expense would be 10% or more of their monthly income. The world is larger than Europe, Canada, and the United States... and although $20 a month may not seem like much money to those of us lucky enough to live in a well developed country, $20 a month is more than billions of people spend on food in a month.

          She's also not taking into account the fact that many people come to Internet marketing because they're in a tight financial position, and simply can't afford an extra $20 a month for anything... and when the decision comes down to $20 a month for an autoresponder, or $20 that month to feed your kids... I think the decision becomes obvious.

          It's not just $20 a month on an autoresponder either. It's $20 on an autoresponder, and $20 on hosting, and $50 for high-speed internet, and so on...

          Saving $20 a month could easily be the difference between being able to afford to get started, or not being able to afford it.

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          In my opinion, using a free autoresponder is one of the very most ill-advised and misguided things one can do, in internet marketing.
          At one point I would have agreed with you, but times change...

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Few people are more keen on list-building than I am, but I think for most people it's better to start without an autoresponder, temporarily, than it is to use a free one. And (unlike the situation with regard to free hosting), with autoresponders it IS specifically the fact they're free that causes the potential disasters/risks, in my view.

          The question you have to ask yourself is whether it can possibly be wise to entrust the safe-keeping and security of your business's greatest, most important and least replaceable asset (your list) to a company whose business model is that of being a free autoresponder. I think that it's generally right at the start of their internet marketing careers, when people understandably have the least judgement about such situations, and the least awareness of the facts and realities involved, that such mistakes tend to be made.
          This makes all kind of assumptions that aren't based in reality...

          The first is her claim that free hosting would be fine, while a free autoresponder wouldn't. The fact of the matter is that your website, and the database that your hosting provider stores, is where your client base is held safe. This is where you have all of your transaction data, where clients access your product, and where all of your traffic is flowing... and while some people would argue that your list could be more valuable to your business, to discount the value of your own customer database and product is questionable at best.

          That's besides the point, Alexa seems to believe she knows how safe our data is... and I can assure you that your data is safer with us than it would be just about anywhere else on the planet. We're backed up to a secondary drive using RAID, we're also backed up on-site to a secondary location, and off-site to a third location... and then off-site again to a fourth location on an entirely different continent.

          Barring nuclear war that hits 2 continents at once... your data isn't going to be lost.

          On top of that, our datacenter is one only a handful in the world that is PCI compliant, HIPAA compliant, and Sarbanes-Oxley Act (SOX) compliant.

          To be clear, your data is safer on our systems than it would be if it were in your physical possession on any type of drive that you kept with you at all times. It's also safer than it would be if your backed up your data to a secondary drive at your place of business because our datacenter, and the secondary datacenter are monitored 24/7, and have some of the most advanced fire-suppression, and data protection systems available at any price.

          Now Alexa might argue that other services have a monetary incentive to ensure your data is safe, because they're a paid service... but we have a monetary incentive too. I've also put my own name on this service, and it's a name I've built over more than 13 successful years online.

          To put it as clearly as I can, there isn't one factual reason why your data would be safer with someone else than it would with us... you can come up with an opinion of why it might not be, but that'd an opinion only, and not based on fact.

          And finally, if you're just the worrying type... you can, of course, export your list of subscribers at any time and keep it in as many locations as you'd like. We don't keep your data hostage, so you're at literally zero risk of having your data lost through the actions of someone else.

          This is the exact same level of protection you have at ANY paid autoresponder service...

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I suspect that people imagine something along the lines of "Well, I can always start with a free autoresponder until I've made some money, and then make the switch to a better one". Usually, one can't easily do that. Moving established lists from one autoresponder company to another is typically hugely difficult, and very commonly results in all one's subscribers needing - at best - to opt in all over again. Many Warriors have commented here that they've lost between two-thirds and three-quarters of their lists, this way!
          That assumes that someone would want to move their list in the first place, and that the provider you're moving to requires a re-confirmation process, and that moving from one paid autoresponder to another paid autoresponder is any easier... which are three big assumptions for you to be making. (two of which are false from the get-go)

          The thing is this. If you have your list on one provider, moving to another provider is going to be difficult whether the providers are free, paid, or otherwise. It's not any easier to move from GetResponse to Aweber that it would be to move from ListWire to Aweber.

          In fact, it might be easier to move from ListWire to Aweber because we require 100% verified optin on all subscribers, while GetResponse doesn't... so we'd have better data on file for each subscriber.

          And I'm using Aweber as an example here because they seem to be your favorite... that said, moving from our service, or GetResponse, or Aweber, to a service like iContact would be the same process regardless of where you're coming from.

          As of the time I'm writing this, iContact doesn't require a re-confirmation process at all, which means that moving from us, to them, would require the exact same amount of work, and would end in the exact same final result. This also applies at InfusionSoft, and a few other providers as well...

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Some people just shrug and say "Well, you can always back it up regularly, can't you?". Easily said. What are you going to do with it, after you've "backed it up"? How are you going to import it elsewhere? Who's going to allow you to import it elsewhere, and under what conditions? (People don't always think about these problems. But the experience of Warriors who have actually had to try to do this seems to me to point to its being something of a nightmare and a disaster).
          This applies to ALL autoresponders, not just List Wire...

          To be clear, this isn't a problem that's specific to free autoresponders, or paid autoresponders, it's a problem that applies to ALL autoresponders at any price.

          The other obvious solution would be to keep your existing list with List Wire, and start building a new list with a new provider if you'd like to move. It won't cost you anything to stay with us of course...

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          In the case of Mailchimp, obviously enough, the situation's very clear to anyone willing to make the effort to read their Terms of Service. In the case of other "free autoresponders" (of which there are several), it's usually very much less clear, unfortunately. Typically, those recommending one, in my opinion, are only recent list-builders themselves and may not yet be aware of some of the longer-term pitfalls.
          We both agree on this one, MailChimp is a no-no if you're an affiliate... that's not up for debate.

          As far as other free autoresponders, I can't speak for them... I can only speak for List Wire.

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Some of these companies even attach to every email their customers send out to their lists a clickable link advertising their own free service! :p It's literally the autoresponder equivalent of having a little website advising people about <whatever> sitting at Yola, with a big clickable link at the bottom of the page advertising "Get your free website here with Yola".

          How professional does that look?!
          You mean just like MailChimp, and iContact, GetResponse, and Constant Contact do if you're on one of their free accounts, or using their services on a trial basis? All of these are services that, over the course of the past few months, have included a link for a free offer in their client's outbound emails...

          InfusionSoft also includes a link in their emails, as does OfficeAutopilot. This is hardly a List Wire specific thing...

          You could also see this link as being the same as "powered by WordPress", or hosting a video on YouTube (brands your video player), or having a fan page on Facebook, or a Twitter account... which are all free services of course.

          You could also talk about the Apache web server, free again, that powers the majority of web servers online... or the MySQL database that is used by tens of millions of companies, or PHP, or Perl, and the list goes on...

          And correct me if I'm wrong, but there are plenty of multi-billion dollar companies who actively promote the fact that they're using free services like Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube every single day...

          Our link is no different than any of the options above. We're a free service, just like they are...

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Some of these companies also don't yet have a very well established business model. Who really knows if they're still going to be there 3 years later? But if they're not, that can be an absolute disaster to your business!
          Let's be clear on this one. Alexa isn't our accountant, and has no idea what's going on in our books...

          That said, I have a long-standing history of success in this space, and I've made it more than clear that List Wire isn't going anywhere.

          On top of that, she seems to believe that being a paid service somehow means that you're guaranteed to be stable, and profitable. That's not the case... for example, iContact was losing money every single month, for several years, while they were attempting to build a their business.

          At one point, if they hadn't found a few more investors, and brought in more VC funds, they would have closed up shop... and, at that point, they were far larger than Aweber in terms of number of clients.

          No one knows how much, if any, profit is being made by any of these privately held paid services. If you believe that paying a company means they're profitable, you're living in fantasyland...

          So again, this isn't specific to us... it's something you'd have to worry about with any provider you use at any price.

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          On previous occasions when I've made that point, someone with a financial interest in a "free autoresponder" business has replied, mentioning that I don't know that Aweber or GetResponse will still be there in 3 years' time, either. I honestly think this a pretty silly argument, because it should be clear to all of us that the odds are stacked in one's favour if one uses Aweber (for example) and against one if one uses a "free autoresponder".
          I guess Alexa forgot my name... it's Gary.

          All I'll say on this is... that's what close to 100,000 people thought about iContact too... but, very few people knew what was going on behind the scenes.

          What I can say is this. If you were betting on me being around in 3 years in this space, that'd be about the safest bet you can make... I've been here for over 13, and I'm not going anywhere.

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          If necessary, I'd make a sale or two without having a list, and then start with Aweber when one has $1 to spare.
          Wow...

          She'd just go out an make a sale. Easy-Peasy! (LOL)

          This statement alone should show you how disconnected Alexa is from the reality of starting as a new marketer online. She assumes that it's just easy to go out and "make sales" when you're starting out... but as most everyone knows, just "making sales" isn't easy when you're starting. It could take you months, or even years before you see your first cent in profit... and, there is plenty of data that backs me up.

          On the other hand, you could start with a free service, build your list using free resources, and start making money with your list... but no, just "go make a sale" instead. (LMAO)

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          The set-up costs even for internet marketing businesses which do everything professionally, right from the start, are absolutely minuscule ...

          My perspective only - there are others who disagree, of course. One or two of them are owners of free autoresponder businesses.
          You're forgetting about the over 40,000 people using our service today...

          And yes, the start up costs are low to start an online business... but as I said up top, not everyone can afford them. Not everyone is lucky enough to live in a place were $20 a month for an autoresponder, and $20 for hosting, and $50 for high-speed internet, and so on, and so on is an option for them...

          You're right, that's your perspective, and it's based on an obviously small view of the world... not the realities of what billions of people are deal with every single day.

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          And some others, I think, are pretty inexperienced and have maybe not yet encountered any problems - in contrast to others here whose warning-posts can readily be found with the search function, by those willing to look, including for the posts like this.
          Right again... you'll even find warnings from me about this if you look far enough back, but times have changed.

          List Wire hasn't been around forever, and just like at one point many people believed the world was flat, many people still believe that using a free autoresponder service is a big no-no...

          It took a long time for most people to come around about that whole "the world is round" thing too... but they eventually they came to their senses, and I have a feeling it'll happen here too.

          Times change, technology changes, and new options arise...

          I'll leave you with this.

          Alexa's opinions are just that... opinions.

          What I've given you are cold, hard facts based.

          If she doesn't believe in "me" personally, that's fine and she's entitled to her opinion... but that's not what she's said. She's said that the free model can't work (which is false), that the paid model guarantees stability (not true), and that your use of free services makes you look like a rookie (90%+ of the Fortune 500 would disagree based on their active use of free services themselves).

          To wrap up...

          List Wire is here to stay, it'll always be free, and we'd love to have you try us out, and see what we have to offer for yourself..

          Unless of course, you're still one of those people who believe the world is flat... in that case, you can keep your head buried in the sand, close your Facebook account, close your Twitter account, take down your WordPress blogs, never visit YouTube again, and close your Gmail account because... free services... well, everyone know those things never work.

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          • Profile picture of the author Gail.Tennessee
            Gary, you're my new rebuttal hero.
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            • Profile picture of the author passiveincomebiz
              Appreciate the response Gary. Although I don't use a free autoresponder, I do appreciate that for alot of people - USD 20 a month is a big sacrifice
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Baker
      Originally Posted by anthony2 View Post

      The autoresponder i use is aweber and have been using them for
      years now and never had a problem.

      The other very good autoresponders are icontact and getresponse.

      Also if you are looking to build a real online business then leave the free
      autoresponders alone. There not worth it.

      I agree with you anthony. I am also using Aweber for 1 year. Signing up on aweber is not very expensive.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicola Lane
    You might want to try getresponse.

    If you look carefully then you can join for free (with less then 500 subscribers) you will have to pay as soon as you get more - but that shouldn't be a problem.

    Hope that helps
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    • Profile picture of the author GaryBurke
      Originally Posted by Nicola Lane View Post

      You might want to try getresponse.

      If you look carefully then you can join for free (with less then 500 subscribers) you will have to pay as soon as you get more - but that shouldn't be a problem.

      Hope that helps
      I think it is free for the first 100 then the price starts to rise as more are added
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      • Profile picture of the author Marian
        Free autoresponders are waste of time and business. I use both Aweber and Ebizac. No problems so far - I've been with them loong years.

        Marian
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        • Profile picture of the author bizwebman
          Originally Posted by Marian View Post

          Free autoresponders are waste of time and business. I use both Aweber and Ebizac. No problems so far - I've been with them loong years.

          Marian
          Tried any free ones or just following the knocking free trend.

          How's about a response regarding List wire ' Free and a waste of time' I think not.

          Times change that is the best trend to remember and DO NOT GET STUCK IN A RUT with what you have now and things to come in the future.

          OOps old thread but comments still relevant!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Enis
    If you want a real business, pay for the autoresponder. I don't think you have any control over your email campaigns and stuff with "free" autoresponders.
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    • Profile picture of the author frogman
      I have only used aweber.
      But it seems to me that auto responders are like toilet paper, I only buy the best (charmin). I wouldn't trust such an important task to the cheap stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Amador
    I recommend Imnica it is very good and you can have up 5.000 subscribers.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Re: How do you feel about Free Auto Responders?

      About the same way I do about hemorrhoids... I want nothing to do with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author jbnet86
    I use a FREE Auto Responder Successfully (Pssst - it's List Wire) )
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  • Profile picture of the author Wealth Mentor
    Does anyone have cold-hard facts...not opinions...concerning the use of self-hosted email and autoresponder scripts?
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
    Self-hosted is fine for the list management part, but not the delivery part... meaning, you could always use something like Interspire to handle your subscriptions, tracking, and removes, but you'd need to use a hosted SMTP service to actually send your messages. Something like sendgrid, or smtp.com

    Or, if you want it all in one place, use a service that does it all for you... in short, if you're trying to mail from your own host, you're going to have major trouble. It's a matter of reputation more than ever these days, and unless you're a HUGE volume mailer, it's going to take you forever to build a measurable reputation.

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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    I've been using Aweber for over 5 years and I've never looked back once.

    But if it's gotta be free then try that Listwire that's been mentioned a few times already in this thread.

    James Scholes
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  • Profile picture of the author opt in
    I'm using Get-response for a very small fee per month and always been at the top of my list building and broadcasting with the latest technology.

    The emailing business changes a lot over the years and it is becoming more and more restrictive for email broadcasting. There's no options other than reputable and up to date auto-responders.

    There is no cost on having great tools. I wouldn't hesitate to spend a little and be with the best.

    Go with Get-Response or Aweber without hesitation.

    David
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Listwire is good, so is the free version of Imnica Mail (though with it starting at 3/month...). Not all are bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    what you say about the free wordpress autoresponder- like wp responder?

    Can anyone say me more about this wp plugin? Does it works? Is it seriously? Is ist worth to use?

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author jpete
    I too recommend imnica... Easy to use and great support...
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  • Profile picture of the author Chronic IM
    Hello!

    You should try using aweber auto responder. It's great and very easy to use. you won't have any problems using it and it has less hustle. It suits any workspace. It's very handy and you won't have a bit of a problem using it. I hope that helped.

    Best of Luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author GaryBurke
    Email aces might be fine for some I am a free member and have been for some time .
    I havent used them yet as I am with Aweber.
    I recently decided to move to EmailAces so I imported my list ,but have found the support is virtually non existant.I have lodged 2 support tickets in the last week,
    1 I got an auto reply from 3 days ago and so far nothing else the other the same 2 days ago also I sent a pm to Gary but he also hasnt replied.
    I think I will be staying with Aweber even though it costs more but at least tyheir support is there
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  • Profile picture of the author djff
    After reading the Gary explanation I was convinced to use List Wire BUT in the process of making my first autoresponder I discovered that they put a BIG List Wire logo under the optin form.

    I don't like that so now I'm looking for an alternative.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
      Originally Posted by djff View Post

      After reading the Gary explanation I was convinced to use List Wire BUT in the process of making my first autoresponder I discovered that they put a BIG List Wire logo under the optin form.

      I don't like that so now I'm looking for an alternative.
      If you'd have bothered reading anything in the support area, you'd have found that you're free to remove that logo if you wish...

      That said, you may have also missed a few things up top.

      iContact, InfusionSoft, Constant Contact, Office Autpilot, and GetResponse all put their logo in your emails by default... and you're paying them hundreds per month in some cases.

      That said, it's your call.

      -Gary
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  • Profile picture of the author JimDucharme
    Hi Gary,

    I have to correct you regarding logos and GetResponse paid accounts.

    GetResponse does not put a logo in paid account emails. The free demo accounts have a logo, but not GetResponse paid accounts.

    Looking forward to seeing you in Orlando at WF Live Gary! First round is on me!

    Regards,
    jim
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  • Profile picture of the author djff
    GREAT Gary! I'm glad that it was possible. I did it, I'm in

    BTW I started a couple of topics in the support forum, hope some one will help me to resolve that couple things. One is about why LW banned my IP and the other is about why LW is not redirecting to the "Thank You" page.

    I hope to get help soon.

    After I get ready with the service I will put a review here.
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  • Profile picture of the author multimastery
    If I had to recommend one free autoresponder service it would be Listwire. I do have an Aweber account as well, but I also have a Listwire account and they have a lot to offer like unlimited autoreponders, responsive support and an easy to use system. This option is especially useful for someone who is just starting out and may not be able to afford Aweber or similar. Afterall, that 1 trial for 30 days or so really goes fast when you're trying to figure out have to make some money!

    Now Overall, I would not generally recommend any free autoreponder because I have seen a lot of so-called "freebie" offers come & go. But I've been testing out Listwire for more than a year now and I must say that they are not your ordinary free operation. They operate just as professional, and have just as many features (and maybe more in some aspects) as many paid autoresponders. The biggest thing that I might say is a drawback is that you can't really control the backend after the a person optins, for example, if you wanted to have a customized thank you page or something like that then last I checked LW doesn't provide those features. And also there is a small ad tag that goes along in their emails, but I really don't find that too distracting or much of an issue. Really, for the level of service they are offering for free hey you really can't complain.

    There are really some free gems out there, you just have to find them. I use a lot of free products that have turned out to be better than things I had to pay top dollar for. I guess it just all comes down to the management and reputation of the who is behind the business operation - regardless as to whether it is free or paid.

    Quality management in business is where the real value comes in, not necessarily the "pricetag" they choose to pass along to the end user. So do your research and test test test, read different reviews and then make your own decisions. And by all means be sure to back up your database constantly, because there is no guarantee that any business will always be whether whether it be free or paid.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    can I use feedburner to build a list?

    Most paid autoresponders I found, dont accept paypal bank wire, only credit card, (I european-dont have a cc).

    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisnos
    Aweber is $19 a month up to 500 subscribers... I don't see why anyone would need a free autoresponder.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie G
    This is a great thread. I certainly can appreciate that some feel if something is free it can't be any good but the reality is that is not always the case.

    Perhaps the issues that are of greatest concern with free autoresponders is deliverability and longevity. If your emails are bouncing or if your autoresponder host disappears how much would you lose in time and money? Better then to pony up the $20 or so and go with a proven autoresponder service.

    Another point to consider is limitations. This is something to think about with any service, free or paid. Will your service do all you plan to use it for and will it be available to you as your list(s) grow in number?

    All that being said, I myself have tried out several of the major paid autroresponders over the years and also some free ones.

    So in answer to the OP's main question... for the newbie starting out on a limted budget I would recommend Listwire for sure. I don't think there is any other free service as good or reliable.

    I've found Aweber, GetResponse and TrafficWave all to be good paid options, with TrafficWave having the advantage of unlimited list size without additional cost.

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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Schwarz
    Thanks guys for all the info. I'm headed over to list wire for some tests. And I do have a paid GetResponse account. I just really like free stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Viramara
    I spread my list on 2 autoresponders. For a short term niche and a niche where I focus more on giving than selling, it's Listwire. For a longer term, I use paid autoresponder. I've used Listwire for years with no complain, unless their ugly optin form but that's not really matter.

    If you want a flat fee autoresponder, you might want to look at Norabots (around $19.95 a month) and TrafficWave ($17/month). No matter how much subscribers you have, their fee is same. It's more affordable than a pay-as-you-grow autoresponder.
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    • Profile picture of the author multimastery
      Originally Posted by Viramara View Post

      I spread my list on 2 autoresponders. For a short term niche and a niche where I focus more on giving than selling, it's Listwire. For a longer term, I use paid autoresponder. I've used Listwire for years with no complain, unless their ugly optin form but that's not really matter.

      If you want a flat fee autoresponder, you might want to look at Norabots (around $19.95 a month) and TrafficWave ($17/month). No matter how much subscribers you have, their fee is same. It's more affordable than a pay-as-you-grow autoresponder.
      Yeah, but it's not just about price, it's about deliverability. And quite frankly, all the Trafficwave emails I have ever received tend to end up in the junk folder. Heck, even when I was considering going with them their confirmation emails ended up in my junk folder. I have never experienced this with Aweber and even free Listwire for that matter.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    A good alternative, and one that has excellent deliverability is Imnica Mail. $7 a month gets you up to 2500 subs with not restrictions on sending, to start. Imnica Mail - Email Marketing Service - Email Marketing Solved.

    They've really stepped things up and are much better than they used to be.
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  • Profile picture of the author NellyColby
    getresponse is ok and free for not too many users, 500 I think. If your business is really working, then better pay for an AR, it's safer.
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  • Profile picture of the author smb111
    MadMimi is free to use for up to 2500 subscribers, they are feature packed and their support is great.
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  • Profile picture of the author he_august
    Just personal opinion and experience... (and sorry for my bad english,.... hopefully it still understand-able lol)

    based on my experience using cheap/free autoresponder....using a well-know AR is a must in building your list... even you have to spend dollar for it...

    i did use a cheap autoresponder before ($10/month with unlimited list)... but guess what?
    when i got trouble, there's really no support... :< i contacted the owner couple of times, and never got any reply...

    i've used their AR for 3 straight years, and have about 1000 list which is now goes to none after i switch to Get response (Get response is one of the well known AR out there), cause it said that my old list is not a legit and cannot be transfered away to my currect Get response account...

    Lesson learned :>

    use the well know AR, or you will regret later on :>

    again, just personal opinion :>

    Warm regards,
    hendy August
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    • Profile picture of the author rjh1960
      I am using List Wire and have had no problems. If that keeps up I won't be losing my money to ripoff companies Like Aweber.
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