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13 years ago

Amazon is still the best by a long shot. I serve up close to a Terabyte of content a month through s3 and it costs me around $450. Plus they are the only ones in the hosting business I know who keeps lowering their prices!

Imagine you put together a video that just absolutely went crazy viral. 250k views is nothing. It seems like, from what you describe, that my WHOLE account (meaning all my videos) would be suspended after 250k views. Either that or I'd pay an overage fee.

Amazon scales infinitely which is what I love. As for security, that IS a problem, which is why we created s3flowshield.

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Greg Jacobs

13 years ago

Amazon is actually VERY expensive compared to other CDNs, and in my experience not that great.... $450 a TB.... YIKES..... I would cry if I paid that. but we aren't going to get into that now.. as it is highly offtopic....

As For Vimeo, last I checked they definitely will not allow anything to do with Make Money Online/Commercial Usage etc.... So I would comb their terms of service before you commit. (in case they have changed)

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Dietriffic

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Greg Jacobs

Amazon is actually VERY expensive compared to other CDNs, and in my experience not that great.... $450 a TB.... YIKES..... I would cry if I paid that. but we aren't going to get into that now.. as it is highly offtopic....

As For Vimeo, last I checked they definitely will not allow anything to do with Make Money Online/Commercial Usage etc.... So I would comb their terms of service before you commit. (in case they have changed)

Have you checked Vimeo PRO? Vimeo PRO: Simple and affordable video for your business

Don't mistake it for Vimeo Plus.

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BizWebMan 13 years ago

One of the main problems I am finding is video loading speed... nothing makes someone leave your website faster than buffering/jerky video.

I currently use Amazon for my videos, but occasionally they can be slow to load. Vimeo does seem to be much quicker, which would make it better value purely for that reason.

What I do not know is how to confirm which service offers the quickest video streaming times.

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- Scott Lundergan 13 years ago
  
  I manage Vimeo Plus accounts for educational and training video clients. At the same time, I recommend Vimeo Pro to my business professional clients who have their own website and professionally produced commercial videos, as long as their content stays within their terms.
  
  The "gap" that they are filling is for businesses with their own specific content that didn't want to be hosted on YouTube, where businesses could just display content for customers or site viewers only, and had the option to opt-out of being part of the Vimeo Plus creative community.
  
  I have other video producer friends who manage the videos for several of their clients in niches outside of commercially produced content. They are a great alternative to YouTube for those that provide informational video programs.
  
  For a 1.5 mb internet connection, the videos do progressively download quite fast for the quality they are encoded at. The mobile device videos being triggered can lag a bit due to the bitrate they are being encoded and passed through the airwaves at.
  
  They keep quality very high, including HD and have a ton of video embedding options. Not to mention the player looks clean.
  
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Greg Jacobs 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dietriffic

Have you checked Vimeo PRO? Vimeo PRO: Simple and affordable video for your business

Don't mistake it for Vimeo Plus.

you are right, I was thinking of Vimeo Plus

If PRO does as it says, then it is a score.
signing up now :-)
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cypherslock

13 years ago

So Greg, what do you use?

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Greg Jacobs

13 years ago

Originally Posted by cypherslock

So Greg, what do you use?

Right now HDDN

3TB a month for $199 and constantly tested and winning against s3 in speed and delivery.

HDDN | Start Streaming videos at an affordable price

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Keith Choy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Greg Jacobs

Right now HDDN

3TB a month for $199 and constantly tested and winning against s3 in speed and delivery.

HDDN | Start Streaming videos at an affordable price

Thanks Greg. Being searching for a more cost effective soon on my own for sometime.

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Dietriffic

13 years ago

A terabyte should only cost around $150, should it not? Not $450. Or am I missing something?

If it's a video that's likely to go viral, you're probably better with YouTube.

If it's video that's in a membership program, then it's not going to go viral, which is what I'll be needing.

My videos average around 200-500mb each (HD quality .mov). Now perhaps I could convert them to another format to make the file smaller, I don't know. But say each video is 200mb...

200mb x5 = 1gb (so I get 5 views per gb, which means I get about 5000 views/Tb).

That should mean 5000 views cost me $140, meaning for 250k views I'd be paying $7,000, not $199.

Now, maybe another file format could bring my files down a lot more, I don't know. I haven't researched that yet.

But that's why I started this thread, to try and discover if Vimeo PRO is an option.

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Dietriffic

13 years ago

I think I'm going to run with Vimeo PRO to start with.

I can track the usage with no issue, and if there's any problem I can upload the content to Amazon at any time and have it take over the delivery.

I think Vimeo are on to a real winner for membership site owners who deliver private video content with their PRO solution.

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Jesus Perez

13 years ago

Vimeo PRO Terms of Use

7. Content Restrictions

You may not upload, post, or transmit (collectively, "submit") any video, image, text, audio recording, or other work (collectively, "content") that:

Promotes fraudulent schemes, multi level marketing (MLM) schemes, get rich quick schemes, online gaming and gambling, cash gifting, work from home businesses, or any other dubious money-making ventures.

You're giving them free reign to destroy your business overnight.

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Dietriffic 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jesus Perez

Vimeo PRO Terms of Use

You're giving them free reign to destroy your business overnight.

Thanks for pointing that out. However...

Firstly, I'm not doing any of that. And, I agree with most of their terms except 'work from home businesses', but I'd imagine you could get clarity from them before starting if you were worried about it. Thankfully, if doesn't apply to me.

Secondly, It would hardly ruin your business. You would just have to apologise to your users and then start getting the content on Amazon asap.

In fact, there's nothing to stop you from putting all your content on Amazon as backup even while you're using Vimeo PRO.
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Scott Lundergan

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jesus Perez

Vimeo PRO Terms of Use

7. Content Restrictions

You may not upload, post, or transmit (collectively, "submit") any video, image, text, audio recording, or other work (collectively, "content") that:

Promotes fraudulent schemes, multi level marketing (MLM) schemes, get rich quick schemes, online gaming and gambling, cash gifting, work from home businesses, or any other dubious money-making ventures.

You're giving them free reign to destroy your business overnight.

That is good that folks know those terms and I point those who inquire to that as well.

The clients I recommend Vimeo Pro (or Plus) for are all outside that realm mostly in academia, educational programming, science, independent journalism, or just as videographer enthusiasts.

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Anonymous Affiliate

13 years ago

In no way I'd be using Vimeo or any other platform that could potentially shut my account (and my business) for any discretionary reason like not liking the topics I discuss on my videos (such as Make Money Online).

I will stick to Amazon S3.

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Jay Moreno

13 years ago

the only proper way i know to really protect your videos is using a proper flash media streaming server and playback using RTSP - with flash media server you can lock your videos to only play on a certain domain... you can actually do the same if your videos are small enough you can look them in to a domain using a swf file...

using this type of technology the videos never leave the server - from my understanding the way the technology works is it caches blocks of frames at a time - so if someone looks at their cache all they will see is perhaps a single frameshot...

if i am not mistaken thats how netflix works...

however it doesnt stop people from recording the screen... if someone really wants your videos they will most likely get them....

downside to the above though - is if people have a slow internet connection and your bitrate is high it can buffer like crazy - additionally it can get expensive too if you have a lot of connections...

i have used influxis.com a few times now and as far as i am aware my videos where never leaked once i hosted them on there... ie because people couldnt download the physical video file

hope that helps someone

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Dietriffic

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jay Moreno

...you can lock your videos to only play on a certain domain...

This is how you protect your videos in Vimeo, too.

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Jason Fladlien

13 years ago

yeah $450 was a typo, lol. notice how the 4 is above the 1 on the keypad?

Here is an actual cost from one of my s3 accounts last month..

1,447.125 GB data transfer cost me $173.66

What Vimeo DOES have going for it is its ability is stream out of the box GREAT.

However, remember s3 is NOT a player, it's just a storage provider. If you use a good player like easy video player or flowshield, and RENDER the videos properly - you can do just as good as with vimeo.

AGAIN, what happens when you go over you 250k views? There are NO limits with s3. In fact, the more you use it, the cheaper it gets

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Jason Fladlien 13 years ago

And btw, if you use amazon s3 you can set up authenticated URLS for your files - meaning they can't be downloaded or passed around.
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Dietriffic

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Fladlien

yeah $450 was a typo, lol. notice how the 4 is above the 1 on the keypad?

Here is an actual cost from one of my s3 accounts last month..

1,447.125 GB data transfer cost me $173.66

What Vimeo DOES have going for it is its ability is stream out of the box GREAT.

However, remember s3 is NOT a player, it's just a storage provider. If you use a good player like easy video player or flowshield, and RENDER the videos properly - you can do just as good as with vimeo.

AGAIN, what happens when you go over you 250k views? There are NO limits with s3. In fact, the more you use it, the cheaper it gets

You can buy add-ons if you're running out on Vimeo PRO. Every 100k plays is another $199 (unless there's something in the Terms, technically you could have another account and get 250k views for the same price; you'd just have to change the embed codes).

I actually use Optimize Press which has a built in player suitable for using S3.

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BizWebMan

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Fladlien

However, remember s3 is NOT a player, it's just a storage provider. If you use a good player like easy video player or flowshield, and RENDER the videos properly - you can do just as good as with vimeo.

Hi Jason

I do use Easy Video Player 1 to play my videos and have tried different rendering techniques. I generally use a flash file that I upload to Amazon S3 via EVP.

I know you use video a lot for your online work and would be interested to know if you have an optimum set up to render your videos, so they play cleanly?

Or anyone other warrior that has cracked the video streaming optimum code.

(I hope you don't mind me asking this on your thread Melanie, hopefully anyone using video may gain something from it.)

Grahame

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Jason Fladlien 13 years ago

I haven't used EVP a whole lot so I can't speak from personal information, but clients have told me they don't know how to set "video buffer" settings. Not sure if it's possible on EVP or not, and if it is how easy it is to use.

We use flowplayer connected to our own s3flowshield software... where we can set video buffer. This is important because in SOME scenarios you'd rather have the video load X number of seconds before playing, then having it play immediately and pause for buffering every 30 seconds

However, video has MORE to do with how you render it than the player. You want to keep an eye on your bit rate of your video (aka how many kbps your video is). In windows at least, if you click on n mp4 file and view its properties, it will tell you the kbps of the video.

Otherwise this is an ok calculator: Bitrate Calculator

Ideally you want your video to be to be close to 120kbps if you can swing it (including your audio!). Then it doesn't matter how LONG your video is...

For example we had a webinar at 1 hour 50 minutes that has a total bitrate of 100kbps so almost any decent internet connection can stream it with practically no buffer.

What makes youtube and vimeo so attractive is when you upload your videos through their service, when they convert it their compression is VERY GOOD on its own, so most people don't take the time to learn how to prepare video files properly... and they just assume that vimeo or youtube is faster.
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- BizWebMan 13 years ago
  
  Thanks for the info and bitrate link Jason, it's really appreciated.
  
  You are completely right about the use of Vimeo and YouTube and to be honest I have done exactly that myself.
  
  What got me away from that practise generally, is when one of my clients told me her videos could not be viewed in the workplace as the IT dept blocked youtube and social media video, whereas hosted videos on S3 and similar sites were not.
  
  I still use YT and V depending on the audience I am aiming at.
  
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13 years ago

thanks for this informative sharing, and i think its very helpful for those who are learning about videos marketing.

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Jeff Burritt

Banned 13 years ago

I currently use EasyVideoPlayer which stores on Amazon S3. It works, it's cheap; but at times slow to load. Every second feels like 5 minutes when a visitor is waiting.

You can check out my website in my signature below, and see if you think it's slow. I think it just depends upon your internet speed, time of day, and what mood Amazon happens to be in

1. I've been wondering about using MaxCDN.com to speed things up. Anyone tried it?

2. Does anyone have any recommended minimum video audio bitrate settings to save a h.264 mp4 video in to bring the size down and keep the quality good. (yes, I know about handbrake. I use camtasia to do basically the same thing, but still my videos seem slow.)

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Jeff Burritt Banned 13 years ago

Jason, missed your comments totally. Thanks for the 120 kbps target!
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SolveProblemsNow

13 years ago

You should consider Easy Video Player at www.evplayer.com.

Integrates with your S3 account and has tons of features that I have never seen anywehre else including security, the ability to remove controls, the ability to display HTML at any point in a video, viewing statistics and much more.

This is not an affiliate link... just my opinion from my own use.

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silvercap

13 years ago

I'll need to get one simple commercial video hosted on Vimeo PRO. It's a portfolio of some logos I have done. Please PM me if you could help me out! I think paying 199$ for a 3 minute portfolio video is pretty steeply priced...

I need to get it on Vimeo to get it on the SERP when people search for my logos. And I'll need it in 460 x 320 pixels, and Vimeo apparently does that.

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