Which Is Better for Launching a WSO: JVZoo or Warrior Plus. I say it's...

Both leave some to be desired.

I will hold my recommendations until I see one that is more worthy.

I say JVZoo.

For the reasons you said plus:

Why should affiliates have to pay to promote something? That is ridiculous.

Plus commissions are truly shared - not one to vendor and one to affiliate. A true instant payment split.

Instant split commissions - but if you refund in the control panel the money is instantly taken from both affiliate and vendor. No mucking about having to ask the affiliate to please refund the money.

Nice professional buttons.

No entry fee. Pay as you go. A nice small transaction fee.

Probably more but I'll stop there as those are my favorites. WSO Pro needs to do some catch up.

TPW - what is the alternative???

TO NOT use SOMETHING seems unwise. What is lacking in your opinion

TIM

Oh yeah - the REFUNDS Module are a huge thing.

I'm sticking with WSO Pro for the time being for one reason:

It lets me block refunders from purchasing my products.

If JVzoo had the ability to do this, allowed me to import my existing black list and improved their customer support, I might consider moving.

WSO Pro customer support has always been awesome, and they've always fully answered my questions.

For the moment, myself - and I imagine many other Warriors, have been building black lists with WSO Pro to keep our refund rates low.

I doubt many people serious about refund rates will be willing to give that up. I won't.

I've never tried JVZoo but I'm interested to give it a shot. I definitely would prefer the instant split commissions that JVZoo offers.

Legit I am close to your perspective on refunds.

One of the times when I owned a web and graphic design firm in the "real world" back in 1997 I was one of the first (and was the only) one in the country that offered a MONEY BACK GUARANTEE. I put systems in place to protect us, but Money Back Guarantees have ALWAYS been a part of ANY business I do.

Believe it or not, few people use it if you put out quality (and normally my pricing is a barrier to entry for most scammers....they never seem to have a lot of money..hmmm)

But I have had people get refunds on my IM products and then come back and keep a later product.

Out of 1000s of online purchases of an e-product or service, i can count on one hand the number of times I have personally requested a refund. It didn't stop me from doing business with them again, it usually was because it was not as described.

Here is what I WOULD LIKE TO SEE:

A pooled blacklist.

One in which each vendor can add a person to a POOLED blacklist.

This would be easy with JVZoos current system, and prevent someone from falsely adding someone.

This name then goes into a pooled database.

After that, each vendor can select a number of "infractions" of previous refunds to flag as someone to block a purchase.

So ONE or TWO or maybe even 5 are not enough to block purchase...HOWEVER with a pooled blacklist - the real scammers (habitual refunders) would be flagged (without revealing their identity or violating privacy) and blocked automatically. This would then leave the legitimate refunders able to do business.

Since it is API based into paypal, it would have to do deep checks because a real scammer is simply going to use a different paypal email (or maybe even account) if you have them blacklisted.

my 2¢

real customers do not even know Black Hat sites exist...

people who are cheats are the only one's that go anyway and are never customers - you don't want them as customers anyway

let them steal it, sell it, do whatever...they are stuck in the underground black market and NEVER get away with trying to do business in the real world.

lol at rich - nice segway to your service

Legit I just clicked your banner.

Do you consider your service a competitor to jvzoo and wsopro?

i never heard of it, which makes me wonder how much competition is actually out there, and why we don't have a thread that compares everyone

Guys,

This makes me wonder..... Why even deal with Paypal? Getting your own merchant account costs around $40 per month... You still pay transactions fees....

But, there are big benefits.... First, you are protected by Federal banking regulations..... No six month freezes on your PayPal account...... Second, when I spoke with Wells Fargo, they said their is no charge for refunds or chargebacks if you just refund them....... If you contest it, it is $25 per refund/chargebacks for their research and resolution......

I am seriously considering switching before my launch in a few weeks...

All the Best,

Rich

Okay so same thing, which is better, can you not use both, I am sure both sites have alot of different members.

Would it not be wise to incorporate both into one wso at the same time. Same launch and everything, You just have to check one email to answer questions and support.

Okay, fiverr emailed paypal, this was last year, Told them my and several other micro worker sites were in copyright infringement for using the word gig, which they said they had a trademark on.

They did not have a trademark on that name, they have a pending trademard which will never go through. You can not trademark a word in the dictionary.

None the least, paypal froze us all, for 45 days. Now I do not think this will happen with a merchant account.

I choose option number 3, creating your own processor via PayPal IPN.

Haven't used Warrior Plus, but I just love JVZoo. They paid for my WSO as well. Very easy to use and the staff is super friendly. I'm hooked.

Wow....I was actually wondering about the same thing because I am doing a launch in a few days. I think I'll put it on JVZoo too.

Very nice discussion here

I have often wondered why there is no Universal black list.

I remember before the internet boom, well...back when there was NO world wide web, and then shortly after its inception there were blacklists for bad check writers. In fact there are still a few companies around. Some people can not get checking accounts today because of them.

There is some sort of privacy concern though with cc i believe, not sure and would have to check.

You asked a question... and then supplied your answer.

Is there a (not so well) hidden agenda, here?
That seems to be much more more pertinent to the question you asked. Any merchant looking to launch a new WSO with the help of affiliates - would be silly to opt for the smaller affiliate base.

Apart from that, I'm curious about the level of fraud experienced, with either service.

I haven't seen any posting regarding this issue specific to JVZoo, but they use Paypal's Adaptive Payments API, and there have been a number of postings with regard to refund issues using that API with other services. WSO Pro does NOT use Adaptive Payments, and does not seem to have the same level of issues (at least not from what I've read here on the WF). Have I missed something?

Hey guys,

Thanks for this very useful discussion.

I've a question. My wsos normally sell over 1000 copies and I know that there are several other marketers who bring good products and sell over 1000 copies every time.

Say the avg price of a product is 10 dollars. Then the total sales would be around 10k dollars. If I'm correct, it says that the fee is a flat 5%. If its true the total fee for such a launch will be 500 dollars. I admit that I'm not fully satisfied with w+. But I'd rather pay 19$ and be with the top affiliate network (at least for the time being) at w+ than paying 500 dollars for a launch.

Am I missing something here?

P.S. I'd definitely join JVZoo to promote some excellent products out there. But about launching my own wsos there, I'm still confused.

"First let me say that I am not associated with JVZoo in any way shape or form other than being a customer."


We just launched our first WSO yesterday, but Ive been in the IM arena for 10 years. We went with JVZoo for a couple of reasons...

1. as an affiliate myself, the rotating commissions & monthly subscription fee to promote offers in W+ were a turnoff. I like getting paid for all of the business I generate. As Im sure everyone else does, so we wanted to make sure our affiliates would be taken care of in that respect.

As for the affiliate fee, it was just one more expense an affiliate would incur that may turn them away. A big part of my business is helping new people get started online and many have dramatically limited capital to work with. Being able to recommend free or very low cost solutions to them is a big part of helping them profit as quickly as possible. JVZoo is a great optin in that respect.

2. The $17 flat fee including the OTO was very attractive as we plan to roll out a lot of offers. Small details, but I saw how this expense would add up quick.

3. A really nice feature they include are secure downloads.
You can store up to 128mb I believe behind their encrypted delivery service. This is a big time saver for simple products where a full blown self hosted membership site for instance is not required. And it will help with pirating as they lock down IPs if they are "sharing" the link.

3. Another small detail, but as a designer I really enjoy the buy button gallery JVZoo provides. Based on a Belcher Button foundation, which as we all know is a proven sales page element, they give me a lot of flexibility for design variables.

4. Overall the system was relatively simple to use once I got it figured out.


There are some drawbacks that I identified right away as well...

1. W+ obviously has a larger existing affiliate base. Im sure JVZoo's base will grow, but it was a concern going in that we just had to make a gut call on. There are some affiliates I'd like to attract that I know are plugged into W+

2. I dont know if there is preference given to W+ offers for WSO of the Day.
Obviously getting this stamp of approval is a big deal, so if there is preference given that's a negative aspect of a JVZoo listing. (note however that JVZoo also has their own Offer of the Day feature)

3. From what I've seen JVZoo does not provide a clear set of instructions or a "manual" that I could find readily available in the dashboard. This would be a really nice touch... a full set of detailed tutorials similar to what you find in OptimizePress.

I did finally come across a few videos in the support site knowledge base, but it wasn't an intuitive place to look. I spent about an hour and a half trying to figure out how to access the button gallery for example. A quick tooltip or something would have been a massive help at that stage.


That's my take so far as a new JVZoo user.


As far as pirating, it's definitely an issue.
One action you can take if you aren't aware of it is to contact the admin for any particular forum and request that your products be added to their DNS list (Do Not Share). It's not 100% effective, but if you get in the DNS list of the big sites at least you can reduce the exposure significantly.

Another crucial piece you need to have in place as a publisher is security. I can't tell you how many WSOs and other products Ive purchased and come to find the download page was nothing more than a index.html file or some other name in a sub folder on the product domain. The product files were wide open... even indexable by engines.

Lock your stuff down, even if you just use something as simple as a WP password protected page that include in your followup email or something. Anything is better than nothing.

But keep in mind, at the end of the day it is what it is and you won't stop it 100%. If someone wants to share your stuff its going to get out there. Make sure you add really calls to action in all your stuff... you never know, the person reading your stuff from a share just might become a fan and wind up buying your stuff someday.

~Richard
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I really can't see why anyone would vote for W+ to be the better platform. It doesn't do anything better. JVZoo does everything better.

Especially the commission thing. What affiliate doesn't want credit for all their sales?

The only edge is the number of affiliates. But if you put a link in your WSO to your affiliate page people will sign up. Plus it is growing in leaps and bounds.

just a couple of notes...

I was informed that JVzoo has some kind of blacklisting thing coming. (not verified)
I was also informed that W+ had the same thing coming (but that was months ago and not verified).

And as far as JVZoo being a ghost town - there are products in the affiliate panel that show over 500 sales and others over 1000 sales.

That appears to be evidence of a pretty stout little affiliate army to me.

And I like the split payments - especially for high ticket WSOs (and any other higher ticket items for that matter).

Just to tell everyone, I love JVZoo.

I don't have time right now to go over all the reasons why in detail, so I'll leave a few thoughts.

1. Their customer service TRUMPS that of the other WSO systems

2. They're quick to add new features that users suggest

3. They're willing to go out of their way to help sellers when a problem arises (I got multiple phone calls from their staff when I had trouble on a Saturday afternoon)

4. It can be used outside WSOs without any problem (No ugly little buttons that nobody would click outside the forums)

5. I've gotten to know one of the owners, and he's seriously one of the best guys I've met in a long time. Very knowledgable about his system, extremely responsive, and realizes that without the affiliates and sellers, the system would be nowhere.

6. They have features WSO Pro could never have because it's using PayPal's Adaptive Payment System (which means WAY less chance of the dreaded "paypal slap")

7. They're working on features that only the huge, expensive, hard to use systems have and they're making them incredibly simple.

8. Everybody gets paid on every freakin' sale. That's just awesome.

That's about it for now. I could keep writing, but I really need to sign off for a bit

Hey guys,

I've a question for those who are already promoting affiliate products via JVZoo. I tried asking this on their wso thread, but didn't get an answer. Is there a way to find only the wsos released through jvzoo sorted according to the date published? (I think, since Jvzoo can also be used to release products outside WF, the list of products aren't completely warriors special offers, isn't it?) I can't see the release date on their products listing. Any idea?

Mervik

Edit: Found how to list the products according to the date of release. Also, the WSOs are highlighted. No section for wsos alone, i guess.

Wow...this looks amazing. I will definately have to look into JVZoo in greater detail. Great thread btw!

i've been using jvzoo just about since they opened and been very happy with them.

haven't done a wso with them yet (working on first wso now), so not sure on how that part compares to using warrior plus.

thanks,
john b

I registered jvzoo last week, look the same servise as Andy Fletcher's, digiresults.com.
everything else was perfect with Andy's until one time, where spammer/scammer attacked it, and made me stop using them anymore.

auto split commission look good, but have drawback, seen it with digiresult where scammer bought my product and ask the refund. make me sick.

jvzoo not popular yet and hopefully they overcome the problem.


btw, I'm big fan of warriorplus, love it as vendor and affiliate.
vendor : like publishing my product in frontnof pottential jv who had large mailing list
affiliate : have lot of awesome product with good sales copy to promotw.

one thing I don't like them is, how commission is paid, right now, my only choice is to promote the 100% commission products.

JvZoo looks promising but for those who have products that interact with PayPal api (like software that create server side accounts after payment its complete), there's no clear help on how to keep on getting the notifications.

There is a video tutorial that is ok to setup a basic product, but there's still no valuable help on how to deal with IPN integration (at least at the moment of writing this).

Hope they can add more clear info on topics like this as it will simplify migration to many of us.

Jesus,

That is unfortunate when an affiliate bombards you with bad traffic and lowers your conversion rate. I know, as it has happened to me on various networks. It can happen on any network... but there is a cure.

We are launching a feature next week that will allow sellers to ban affiliates from promoting their products. We are still working out the details, as it is a touchy topic.

The biggest hurdle is when an affiliate pays for traffic or mails his list about a specific product, we do not want the sellers to be able to ban the affiliate and steal the commissions.

We are thinking the best way is to allow a grace period. If a seller bans an affiliate, the affiliate is notified and has 48 hours to stop promoting. After that grace period, his affiliate links are deactivated.

We are certainly open to suggestions for this feature.

Fellow Warriors,

I have been an advocate of JVZoo..... I like their business model... They make money when I make money.....

I recently posted a WSO using JVZoo.... There was an issue.... and they promptly resolved it.....

I was especially impressed with Rich at JVZoo... I wrote...
I would highly recommend JVZoo.

God Bless,

Rich

I have not posted here for quite a long time, but I guess it's worth it.
I switched to JVZoo a few of my products to test them out. I can't say how positive my experience with JVzoo is compared to all other platforms out there (including WarriorPlus obviously but also Clickbank).

Chris Ramsey summed it quite clearly about the pros of using JVzoo over other platforms.
In a word, JVZOo is a complete business rupture: you get more for less, and they have for sure a sustainable competitive advantage.

Why would any affiliate pay to promote an offer? Why would any seller pay to publish offers? Why would you want to get paid randomly as an affiliate?

I don't get why people are still using W+ since it's like comparing an iPhone4 with a Spectrum ZX81 (for those who are in their late 30s, it's obvious, for the others, just google it :-) )

That's the drawback of operating a monopoly. You stop innovating getting stuck in getting as much money as you can from your forced users. W+ still has the biggest affiliate share, but we need to remember that in the IM field, WSO are only a tiny fraction of a % of sales generated.

Technically there's no need to even publish a WSO once you're in JVZoo. You've got instant access to the affiliates and they have a good daily traffic from browsers. WSO gives a boost since you get noticed quickly. But if you have a good product, a few people in your list to initiate sales, you can then let the ball rolling in JVzoo.

For sure they will grow (provided it does not become a monster where anyone asks for a feature :-) ) and get more top affiliates and vendors. But to me, their main advantage is that they're not tied to WSO forum, and thus they open the whole market to any vendor out there.

JP
PS: Brian, do not implement a grace period to ban affiliates. If an affiliate sends junk traffic and is paying for this, it's his responsibility to be aware of this unless he does not care. If he does not care, we should be able to ban it instantly (nothing to steal since he is not working correctly and not generating sales)

Never seen a WSO of the day thru either DigiResults run WSO nor a JVZoo run WSO .... have you? Things that make you go ... hrmmmm ....????

With the amount of ca$h being thrown off by WSO+ - cant image all of it is being stuffed into their bank for play $$$ - surely they are looking to innovate again soon?

Paypal adaptive is very very nice on the shiny white surface - for sure, however; the dark under belly of offshore crime in the form of high commission products instant commissions for fake affiliates using stolen paypal account credentials is just too much for the affilaite scammers to resist.

My products on Digiresults [ another great platform for selling ] was getting 10-15 affiliate sign up requests per day - all from yahoo and gmail addresses. All 100% fake scammers looking to use a stolen paypal account or two to scam the instant commissions.

They all have warts. IPN is dead. Adapt and innovate - with protections and be ahead of the scammers and you'll earn the sellers and affiliates trust and business.

Nanacast - they do instant paypal adaptive payments?


Here's an innovative feature request ...

How does a seller roll out of a platform theyve been entrenched in for ages - moving and notfiying thousands of affiliates they now need to change all their aff links.

Sellers needing to recreate 20+ products and variants into a new system ...?

... then to find out once your entrenched and its a PITA to move - the network/platform doubles the trx fees and their take? Now what?

OK so just thought of something SUPER DUPER HELPFUL

country Blocks

on SALES and AFFILIATES

I would love to be able to block

india, russia and africa

95%+ problems with affiliates and refund requests come from those areas.

To just be able to automatically deny them would be great.