X' Affiliate Blackbook

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First he said that it would be releases last Jan 21, then postponed to Feb 2, then Feb 4, now don't know when...

He said on his blog that the Adwords' rumors affected his new eBook.

But anyway, I know his book will be good.
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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    X is a thief and unethical... I questioned him about his business practice and he banned me from the forum with no refund, even though i was inside his 30 day money back guarantee.
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  • Profile picture of the author X
    For those who don't know "Loz"
    he's the "Lozer" I referenced in the
    Great Affiliate Marketing Sham.

    If you look at his posts, the things
    he claims to be, etc, etc, you'll see
    a picture of him emerge that I don't
    need to paint for you. There's a
    reason he looks like a convict.

    If you've purchased my products or
    dealt with me in the past then you
    know me. If you haven't then ask
    someone who has.

    Truth of the matter is Loz made an
    ass of himself in my forum (the ONLY
    person to do so), slandered me far
    and wide, was caught giving my
    product away - then asked for a
    refund well AFTER the refund
    period.

    Since all payments were made
    through PayPal and a claim can
    be submitted through PayPal up
    to 60 days after purchase, there's
    your proof - all he had to do was
    submit a dispute through PayPal
    which never happened.

    As you can imagine, I said what
    anyone with a spine would say -

    **** off.

    X

    PS - People do not do anything
    unless they have faith in it. Diana
    Barnum, who many of you know,
    will be handling my help desk and
    refund requests - you can double
    check with her on my refund policy,
    which is "We don't resist refunds -
    see if we can offer assistance with
    making the product work first, and
    if not, refund immediately." If you
    go out and start giving my product
    away - or offering to sell copies of
    it on other forums, as Loz did, then
    know I'm not going to be real friendly
    with you. But unless your an obvious
    prick, I'm not going to hassle you or
    waste my time trying defend a bad
    experience in a public forum. If you
    ARE an obvious prick, I'll fight you
    anywhere, anytime.

    And . . . I *WILL* win.
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      Originally Posted by X View Post


      PS - People do not do anything
      unless they have faith in it. Diana
      Barnum, who many of you know,
      will be handling my help desk and
      refund requests - you can double
      check with her on my refund policy,
      which is "We don't resist refunds -
      see if we can offer assistance with
      making the product work first, and
      if not, refund immediately." If you
      go out and start giving my product
      away - or offering to sell copies of
      it on other forums, as Loz did
      , then
      know I'm not going to be real friendly
      with you. But unless your an obvious
      prick, I'm not going to hassle you or
      waste my time trying defend a bad
      experience in a public forum. If you
      ARE an obvious prick, I'll fight you
      anywhere, anytime.

      And . . . I *WILL* win.
      You are a liar X, I never sold any copies of your crap, unethical product, or give copies away...

      Prove it, or shut up!

      and you say you dont resist on refunds? Where's mine then? Thief!
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    Affiliate Black Book Update:

    As you've seen in the main forum
    Google is making some changes that
    will have a profound impact on a lot
    of affiliates using PPC - good news is
    this makes MOST of what I teach
    MORE relevant.

    And, to be straight up honest, it's
    going to make some things irrelevant
    that were "killer tactics" in the
    product - that's how it goes sometimes.

    I could have rushed the product out,
    sold a lot of copies and hoped nobody
    knew the difference. That appears to
    be happening with a Chris McNeeney
    product being rush launched on Monday
    (I could be wrong but since it says it's
    for Google Cashers and Google Cash is
    about to play taps . . .)

    Instead, I need to go through all
    materials and make sure I'm not
    teaching things that will be irrelevant
    to my customers within the month.

    I don't like delays anymore than
    anyone else - it's even a bit
    embarrassing - but I want to deliver
    the best product I can. That's more
    important.

    All the best to everyone - X
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      X -

      For once, I must disagree with you 100%.

      There is nothing, absolutely nothing, you can write about that will become irrelevant in a month THAT I DON'T WANT TO READ RIGHT NOW.

      Here's my argument:

      1. You're entertaining as heck. Even if I don't apply something, or its irrelevant, I still want to read about it.

      2. So something becomes irrelevant on Google. I'll just apply it somewhere else - Yahoo, MSN, some unsuspecting company, etc.

      3. Even if something becomes irrelevant in a month, every day that goes by is another day I'm not using your tactics before they become irrelevant. That, my friend, is costing me money.

      4. I think you're dead wrong about some things becoming irrelevant. But you already have my private email on that.

      5. Even if you're right about Google changes, don't assume that will make your tactics irrelevant. Some of us have ways around that. So don't assume and just fork over the goodies.


      So here's what I want to know - and I'm sure a few other Warriors want to know. If we pay now, on your hidden sales page, can we get access to whatever you have before you make some assumption and possibly, needlessly, rip-out some juicy tidbits? I'll take the risk that something becomes irrelevant in the future.
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      • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        X -

        For once, I must disagree with you 100%.

        There is nothing, absolutely nothing, you can write about that will become irrelevant in a month THAT I DON'T WANT TO READ RIGHT NOW.

        Here's my argument:

        1. You're entertaining as heck. Even if I don't apply something, or its irrelevant, I still want to read about it.

        2. So something becomes irrelevant on Google. I'll just apply it somewhere else - Yahoo, MSN, some unsuspecting company, etc.

        3. Even if something becomes irrelevant in a month, every day that goes by is another day I'm not using your tactics before they become irrelevant. That, my friend, is costing me money.

        4. I think you're dead wrong about some things becoming irrelevant. But you already have my private email on that.

        5. Even if you're right about Google changes, don't assume that will make your tactics irrelevant. Some of us have ways around that. So don't assume and just fork over the goodies.


        So here's what I want to know - and I'm sure a few other Warriors want to know. If we pay now, on your hidden sales page, can we get access to whatever you have before you make some assumption and possibly, needlessly, rip-out some juicy tidbits? I'll take the risk that something becomes irrelevant in the future.
        I'm with Brian.
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    X.

    I was thinking the same thing about the Djk teams latest release.

    perhaps i'm getting cynical in my old age...

    Its good to see that you are revising your product and await the launch.

    Regards
    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Tenzo
    I have to agree with Kindsvater-I fully believe I can learn more from your "irrelevant" bits than in a lot of other ebooks out there. Although I do respect the fact that you want to make sure ALL your information is topical and on point. There is to much outdated information out there already.

    Regards,
    Kevin
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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    You're an idiot X... your business ethics suck... you go back on what you promise which was the money back guarantee... the fact remains is that you're a thief and the worse kind there is.

    You were in breach of your terms and conditions and I did not slander you. I said that it was not fair to take commissions from other people. You took that to heart and deleted me from the forum and took the $97 without the refund... as far as I see it, you still owe me the $97 that you promised if a person was not happy with your product.

    For all you other ppl out there, I'd be very careful when dealing with this shady character, you can see that he doesn't care about any of you with the type of language he uses, even to his customers... who in the right mind want to do business with a rouge like that?
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      Originally Posted by askloz View Post

      You're an idiot X... your business ethics suck... you go back on what you promise which was the money back guarantee... the fact remains is that you're a thief and the worse kind there is.

      You were in breach of your terms and conditions and I did not slander you. I said that it was not fair to take commissions from other people. You took that to heart and deleted me from the forum and took the $97 without the refund... as far as I see it, you still owe me the $97 that you promised if a person was not happy with your product.

      For all you other ppl out there, I'd be very careful when dealing with this shady character, you can see that he doesn't care about any of you with the type of language he uses, even to his customers... who in the right mind want to do business with a rouge like that?
      Yes Loz, *I am* an idiot.

      I don't care about my customers,
      which is why people are starting
      and contributing to a thread about
      a product that hasn't been released.

      You were deleted from my forum for
      violating the explicit rules of the
      forum - just as you are violating the
      explicit rules of *this* forum which
      clearly state that if you bash another
      you *will be* deleted from the forum.

      You apparently feel above those
      rules and that they do not apply to
      you.

      You proceeded on with your tirade
      by slandering me, as you have here,
      by posting my personal information
      on other forums, by making my product
      available to others, by creating new
      account names on my forum with
      slanderous names, etc, etc.

      I know it was you - it ceased when I
      banned your IP.

      Your behavior here is enough for the
      truth to be seen by all.

      I stand behind my original decision and
      I knew I'd answer to that decision,
      for which I have no problem being
      accountable to right here, right now.

      No, I did not refund Loz. He is one of
      two people I did not refund - the other
      was caught attempting to sell copies of
      my product on another forum.

      Believe me, I have seen every sort of
      character - I've had people request a
      refund because "my sister-in-law bought
      your product and had a stroke - it's sitting
      on her desk unopened" - yet when the
      product was returned the printed materials
      were photocopied versions of the original.

      And yes, I refunded that.

      A great many Warriors have purchased
      my products and a few have refunded -
      if I gave them problems, then where are
      they now?

      Loz is a unique and extreme incident.

      It should also be noted that he's only
      asking for $97 on the $197 product
      because he was already paid an affiliate
      commission for buying with his own link,
      effectively stealing the commission of
      whomever promoted the product to him.

      For anyone considering becoming my
      customer I will be frank with you up
      front - No, the customer is not always
      right. And no, I'm not going to accept
      abuse, fraud, disruption of community,
      slander or theft. I am not going to
      enable that behavior, welcome it into
      my life or the life of anyone associated
      with me.

      If you deal with me respectfully, I will
      certainly deal with you respectfully -
      will give you my best.

      But, if you want a fight, I'm game for
      that too.

      Moving on now -

      X

      PS - Loz, if you care to take this further
      then please post your address - or PM
      it to me so that we can settle this to
      the letter of the law. Since all of your
      domains are privately registered, I have
      not been able to locate that information
      in the past and I'd be happy to have this
      resolved by due process.
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      • Profile picture of the author askloz
        Originally Posted by X View Post

        Yes Loz, *I am* an idiot.
        At least we're starting off on the right foot!

        Originally Posted by X View Post

        I don't care about my customers,
        that's totally obvious!

        Originally Posted by X View Post

        You were deleted from my forum for
        violating the explicit rules of the
        forum - just as you are violating the
        explicit rules of *this* forum which
        clearly state that if you bash another
        you *will be* deleted from the forum.
        Giving my opinion on how you stole other ppl's commissions was in breach of your forum rules? really? I recall others saying the same thing yet they were able to stay on your forum.

        The opinion I gave here John Barker, was the fact how you stole my money by refusing to abide to your no fuss money back guarantee. Yet you contradict yourself by saying how you don't resist in honoring such requests, well, that's not the case this time.

        As far as I see it, you still owe me the $97, regardless or not if a paypal dispute was put in or not. Which it was actually, but since it was an electronic product, paypal at that time didn't honor such refund requests / solve disputes.

        Originally Posted by X View Post




        You proceeded on with your tirade
        by slandering me, as you have here,
        by posting my personal information
        on other forums, by making my product
        available to others, by creating new
        account names on my forum with
        slanderous names, etc, etc.
        Oh, I see, so you find it amusing to make up lies then John saying how I was selling copies of your Blackbook, or giving copies away...uhmmm.

        John, that is the most ridiculous thing I have heard.
        for those that know me, know my ethics are all in tact. Why on earth would someone like me who didn't agree with the methods you illustrate on how to steal someone elses commissions, be sold on to others, or given away. I don't like to advocate the stealing of other ppl's commissions. I for one would not sleep well at night knowing that someone elses hard work was put to waste by having their money taken out of their pocket.

        Originally Posted by X View Post


        Your behavior here is enough for the
        truth to be seen by all.

        I stand behind my original decision and
        I knew I'd answer to that decision,
        for which I have no problem being
        accountable to right here, right now.
        My behaviour does not include stealing money from people, or going back on a promise that is clear to the day about ones money back guarantee.

        Which yet you are still to do good on.... so, are you going to pay up, or are you really that desperate for the money?

        Originally Posted by X View Post

        No, I did not refund Loz. He is one of
        two people I did not refund - the other
        was caught attempting to sell copies of
        my product on another forum.
        You're a liar John... I didn't sell any copies of your unethical book, or give copies away, that my dear boy, is a fact you can take to the bank along with my $97 you still owe me and on my Mothers & the rest of my families life. You're simply confused by mixing me with someone else.

        BTW, What username did I join your forum with?

        Originally Posted by X View Post

        Believe me, I have seen every sort of
        character - I've had people request a
        refund because "my sister-in-law bought
        your product and had a stroke - it's sitting
        on her desk unopened" - yet when the
        product was returned the printed materials
        were photocopied versions of the original.
        So have I, and you take the cake - I've been online for 9 years, mostly in the Internet Marketing industry, you are seriously one for the books for being confused and going back on ones promise of owing ppl money when it comes to honouring the money back guarantee.

        Originally Posted by X View Post

        And yes, I refunded that.
        So now you make stipuations now, what is rightful of a refund and what isn't... how convenient - for you.

        Originally Posted by X View Post

        A great many Warriors have purchased
        my products and a few have refunded -
        if I gave them problems, then where are
        they now?
        Probbably because they gave up with dishonest ppl like yourself.

        Now is time for you to step up and show that you are a honest fellow.

        Originally Posted by X View Post


        Loz is a unique and extreme incident.

        It should also be noted that he's only
        asking for $97 on the $197 product
        because he was already paid an affiliate
        commission for buying with his own link,
        effectively stealing the commission of
        whomever promoted the product to him.


        Right, why should I ask for $197 back when I got the other commission?
        That would be unfair, wouldn't it, hence asking for the $97 back. See, my ethics are in check.

        BTW, you seriously need to stop assuming.
        I did not buy this under my affiliate link... my biz partner did (my affiliate link is enigma28, my biz partners is wellnix), we both live under the same roof, and use the same internet connection.

        Originally Posted by X View Post


        For anyone considering becoming my
        customer I will be frank with you up
        front - No, the customer is not always
        right. And no, I'm not going to accept
        abuse, fraud, disruption of community,
        slander or theft. I am not going to
        enable that behavior, welcome it into
        my life or the life of anyone associated
        with me.
        Wooohoo boy-o... listen...

        If you've been in the customer relations industry for as long as I have, you will know that the customer is always right.

        You say you dont accept fraud... are you some hypocrite or something? You commit a crime by stealing others commissions and you fail to see how this can come under the boarder line of fraud? De-frauding one out of the money that is rightly theirs?

        Originally Posted by X View Post

        If you deal with me respectfully, I will
        certainly deal with you respectfully -
        will give you my best.

        But, if you want a fight, I'm game for
        that too.
        John, listen man...

        How do you expect one to react when you refuse your unconditional money back guarantee, do you expect them to respect you after that? John, wake up mate, the world does not revolve around you.

        One thing you should of done, was honor the refund (the amount that was asked for), rather than letting things get out of control.

        Then you might see a review like this...

        "... I bought this some time ago, although some of the items listed in this book was on the boarder line of ok, some of it was not to a point it can question ones morals, if you've got thick blood and don't care about anyone else or their wellbeing, go for it, those of you don't, dont get it... I for one asked for my money back because it was something I could not live with if I were to follow the dark side of making money which can be considered very unethical... on a good note, my refund was honored..."

        But I didn't get my refund, you just stuck a thing up your bum and refused to talk about it in an adult way, you just told me to "F*** Off you Bast**d.."

        nice way to talk to ppl.

        Originally Posted by X View Post


        PS - Loz, if you care to take this further
        then please post your address - or PM
        it to me so that we can settle this to
        the letter of the law. Since all of your
        domains are privately registered, I have
        not been able to locate that information
        in the past and I'd be happy to have this
        resolved by due process.
        So, you'd rather spend all the money to take this up one level, rather than just honoring the $97.00 refund?

        You're a fool...

        Nah, it's ok, if you don't pay up what is rightfully mine, I'm going to hunt all your products and push out a negative review in loads of IP addresses and usernames, then see how long you last...

        I've crushed bigger and uglier ppl than you John...

        Want a battle, fine, go for it - but I can tell you now, you will lose and I will make sure you will make less sales than normal...

        so think about it for a second... refund me $97 to the wellnix guy (my biz partner), or lose thousands of dollars in sales in the near future, your choice!
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          Originally Posted by askloz View Post

          So, you'd rather spend all the money to take this up one level, rather than just honoring the $97.00 refund?

          You're a fool...

          Nah, it's ok, if you don't pay up what is rightfully mine, I'm going to hunt all your products and push out a negative review in loads of IP addresses and usernames, then see how long you last...

          I've crushed bigger and uglier ppl than you John...

          Want a battle, fine, go for it - but I can tell you now, you will lose and I will make sure you will make less sales than normal...

          so think about it for a second... refund me $97 to the wellnix guy (my biz partner), or lose thousands of dollars in sales in the near future, your choice!

          Crush away tough guy.

          The world is watching.

          I'm sure we're *all* curious to see if
          your blog spam software works.

          X

          PS - Yes, I am putting all of this into
          my legal file on you. Please, keep
          talking.
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          • Profile picture of the author askloz
            ROTFLMAO...

            You know, you don't really think before you act do you?

            You've now shown everyone what you're like - who in their right mind want to buy anything from you now...

            It's totally obvious you need the money...

            Maybe when you grow a backbone, you can give that money to someone who you stole the funds from. I for one, have plenty of money - I guess the money you stole from me was a new tactic that you're going up update in your book eh?

            Originally Posted by X View Post

            Crush away tough guy.

            The world is watching.

            I'm sure we're *all* curious to see if
            your blog spam software works.

            X
            Blog Spam? ROTLMFAO

            How can it be blog spam when I own all blogs? How can I spam to my own blogs? Do you really have a brain between those ears of yours?

            come on mate, is it late there? or early there? Try taking a cup of Coffee and wake up some.

            This is no different than hiring 10,000 people to make a post or two per day. This is no different than what most corporate companies do - downsizing on staff for maximum profits!

            Have fun in that small world of yours, keep it up mate, and it'll only get smaller!
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            • Profile picture of the author Livefire
              Originally Posted by askloz View Post

              ROTFLMAO...

              You know, you don't really think before you act do you?

              You've now shown everyone what you're like - who in their right mind want to buy anything from you now...

              It's totally obvious you need the money...

              Maybe when you grow a backbone, you can give that money to someone who you stole the funds from. I for one, have plenty of money - I guess the money you stole from me was a new tactic that you're going up update in your book eh?



              Blog Spam? ROTLMFAO

              How can it be blog spam when I own all blogs? How can I spam to my own blogs? Do you really have a brain between those ears of yours?

              come on mate, is it late there? or early there? Try taking a cup of Coffee and wake up some.

              This is no different than hiring 10,000 people to make a post or two per day. This is no different than what most corporate companies do - downsizing on staff for maximum profits!

              Have fun in that small world of yours, keep it up mate, and it'll only get smaller!
              Mr Loz,

              I would review your country's slander laws before mass posting negative info across the net. Since the nature of your blogs are commercial versus private, your "right" to free speech could be severely curtailed. Here in the US, commercial speech doesnt enjoy the same protections as private speech. While truth is a defense to slander, X probably can come up with numerous affidavits from satisfied customers in rebuttal. Showing actual damages from said slander is pretty easy for a decent solicitor.

              Im new here, so I dont favor one side or the other. Just trying to keep a pointless pissing contest from escalating. Having said that, if I were X, I would probably act magnamously and give a refund, even though the time had expired. It would give X the moral high ground and make someone else look like a total fool in front of a judge deciding the resulting lawsuit should they go ahead and slander his good name after the refund was given.
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              • Profile picture of the author askloz
                Originally Posted by Livefire View Post

                Mr Loz,

                I would review your country's slander laws before mass posting negative info across the net. Since the nature of your blogs are commercial versus private, your "right" to free speech could be severely curtailed. Here in the US, commercial speech doesnt enjoy the same protections as private speech. While truth is a defense to slander, X probably can come up with numerous affidavits from satisfied customers in rebuttal. Showing actual damages from said slander is pretty easy for a decent solicitor.
                Hi there

                Call it what you like Sir, fact remains, he stole my funds by way of not returning them when asked - that in anyone's book is Theft and punishable by any court of law!

                You talk of "here in the US, commercial speech doesn't enjoy the same projections... ... ..." you make it sound like U.S.A. is the only country in the world...

                X can come up with as many satisfied customers as he likes, it does not take away from the fact that he refused to refund the funds when asked.

                All of this he has put on himself. If he was human enough, he would honor the refund to start with and not go back on his own M.B.G.

                Originally Posted by Livefire View Post

                Im new here, so I dont favor one side or the other. Just trying to keep a pointless pissing contest from escalating. Having said that, if I were X, I would probably act magnamously and give a refund, even though the time had expired. It would give X the moral high ground and make someone else look like a total fool in front of a judge deciding the resulting lawsuit should they go ahead and slander his good name after the refund was given.
                Time has expired now, for sure, but not when numerous efforts were made to contact him via email and via paypal (paypal was a waste of time any ways).

                Should he refund the funds now, or sometime in the near future - then I'll retract what once were said... until then, he can ride this boat for as long as he wishes.

                best regards.
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                • Profile picture of the author Livefire
                  Originally Posted by askloz

                  You talk of "here in the US, commercial speech doesn't enjoy the same projections... ... ..." you make it sound like U.S.A. is the only country in the world...
                  You misunderstand my use of the phrase "here in the US". I use it to indicate the jurisdiction that I am familiar with, not to indicate a supposed superiority! I realize that other countries can operate completely differently when it comes to freedom of speech issues. Our Internal Revenue Service has used the commercial speech issue to get courts to issue injunctions against people who have published anti tax books and recordings. Using blogs designed with a commercial purpose to blast someone else could get sticky if the target can prove their actions were justified and wanted to pursue the matter. Thats why I suggested looking before you leap.

                  In any case, I hope both parties will strive to settle their differences honorably and concentrate their energies and talents in a positive manner...that being on the business and creating wealth!
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          • Profile picture of the author askloz
            have fun then.

            Originally Posted by X View Post


            PS - Yes, I am putting all of this into
            my legal file on you. Please, keep
            talking.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommyp
    Well, I don't know exactly what's going on. X explained a little to me in the past but I wasn't there so I can't comment. I wasn't even around when the Adwords Black Book came out.

    But in my experience so far X is a guy that has kept his promises to me and been cool.

    I have the Black Book DVDs, so unless I am assuming wrong I think they are way more than what the Adwords Black Book is. So, since I know what's in the Black Book DVDs I don't see anything unethical or bad with what X is doing. That can be a matter of opinion, but I don't understand why Loz would question his business ethics since I don't see anything wrong with what X is doing or teaching.

    Maybe it was scandalous for the time in which it came out. I dunno.

    Anyway, I think I'll just watch this soap opera and not get involved.

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    • Profile picture of the author askloz
      Originally Posted by tommyp View Post

      So, since I know what's in the Black Book DVDs I don't see anything unethical or bad with what X is doing. That can be a matter of opinion, but I don't understand why Loz would question his business ethics since I don't see anything wrong with what X is doing or teaching.
      You must of got the next edition or something, the item in question here was a password protected e-book.
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    Mr Lawn,

    I respect the input of 'Livefire'
    and I've made a decision.

    I will grant you a refund of $97
    for the Adwords Black Book on two
    conditions:

    1. The refund will be mailed to
    you in the form of a check. I
    need YOUR full name and mailing
    address. This is the only way I
    will issue a refund to you.

    I will not issue this refund to
    anyone but you, nor will I send it
    to any location but your physical
    address (no PO Boxes, etc).

    If you refuse this condition, no
    refund will be considered, period.

    It is not negotiable.

    But what if the check is bad? Then
    you can come to this forum and tell
    everyone X writes bad checks.

    2. Since you have accused me of
    promoting and condoning the theft
    of other affiliate's commissions,
    an untruth, you will admit publicly
    that you purchased my product with
    your own affiliate link.

    Given that you're a Warrior that
    commission should likely have belonged
    to Allen Says, the sixth person who
    purchased the Adwords Black Book and
    the first to promote it.

    We already *know* you used your own
    link to buy; but I'm giving you the
    opportunity to come clean.

    I trust you have enough integrity to
    acknowledge this, to clear your
    conscience.

    If you decline these conditions,
    then there will be no transfer of
    money to you.

    X

    PS - If you're responsible for the
    forum spam that has again started
    since this little spat initiated, I'd
    appreciate it if that ceased too.

    (For those reading only this post,
    wondering what's going on, please
    read the entire thread)
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    • Profile picture of the author askloz
      Originally Posted by X View Post

      Mr Lawn,

      I respect the input of 'Livefire'
      and I've made a decision.

      I will grant you a refund of $97
      for the Adwords Black Book on two
      conditions:

      1. The refund will be mailed to
      you in the form of a check. I
      need YOUR full name and mailing
      address. This is the only way I
      will issue a refund to you.

      I will not issue this refund to
      anyone but you, nor will I send it
      to any location but your physical
      address (no PO Boxes, etc).

      If you refuse this condition, no
      refund will be considered, period.

      It is not negotiable.

      But what if the check is bad? Then
      you can come to this forum and tell
      everyone X writes bad checks.
      You're in no position to give conditions Mr Barker.

      I only accept funds in which they were delivered to you!

      Originally Posted by X View Post

      2. Since you have accused me of
      promoting and condoning the theft
      of other affiliate's commissions,
      an untruth, you will admit publicly
      that you purchased my product with
      your own affiliate link.
      Correction, I never purchased from my affiliate link. My biz partner bought it via my affiliate link. Big difference.


      Originally Posted by X View Post


      Given that you're a Warrior that
      commission should likely have belonged
      to Allen Says, the sixth person who
      purchased the Adwords Black Book and
      the first to promote it.
      LMAO, I wasn't a member of this forum when it was purchased!

      Originally Posted by X View Post


      We already *know* you used your own
      link to buy; but I'm giving you the
      opportunity to come clean.
      Like I have already admited Mr Barker, the affiliate link was indeed mine... but I NEVER Purchased it, my BUSINESS PARTNER DID, we live under the same roof, using the same IP connection, that is leading you to conclusions other than what I had already mentioned to you many times.




      Originally Posted by X View Post

      If you decline these conditions,
      then there will be no transfer of
      money to you.
      Listen, you are in breach of your terms, you are due to make good on the refund for the amount asked for ($97), and to the same account that it was purchased from.

      Originally Posted by X View Post

      X

      PS - If you're responsible for the
      forum spam that has again started
      since this little spat initiated, I'd
      appreciate it if that ceased too.
      Spam? what do you mean?

      You have a phpbb board right?
      I'm getting tons of spam on all of my boards too, so is Brad Callen, from a bunch of Russian ppl, I'm having to delete the disgusting posts every day.
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  • Profile picture of the author stevecl
    X,

    When is affiliate blackbook due for release?

    Regards
    Steve
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    Soon Steve - I don't want to name a
    date again until everything is solid.

    X
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    Thanks x,

    Any views on DJK google shadow are they cashing in on a soon to be defunct method?

    Steve
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    Steve -

    I haven't seen the product so I really
    shouldn't comment. I just got a PM
    from someone asking how I know
    about Google's URL policy change,
    and all I can say is that it's a strong
    rumor that I think has teeth.

    I've heard it confirmed by a number
    of people, however, there is nothing
    officially posted anywhere by Google.

    I'm sure this is being launched through
    Clickbank so you probably don't have
    anything to lose (except time) by
    trying.

    All the best to you - X
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Hubbard
      I just wanted to chime in here...I am a customer of X's. And an affiliate who will be promoting Affiliate Black Book heavily. I own Adwords BlackBook, Blackbook DVDs, and am a premium subscriber to his blog. I've been nothing but thrilled with his material and his customer service. He's one of the good guys for sure.

      I think Dan Kennedy said something to the effect that if you're not pissing some people off, then you're not marketing hard enough. With that being said, I've bought all sorts of affiliate marketing programs over the years and X's stuff is my favorite - by far. Because it's advanced stuff that has helped me take things up a notch. I turned unprofitable campaigns into profitable ones using stuff I learned from X.

      I'm on alot of marketers lists as most of us are. I ignore most of them. X is one of few that I read every email from...because I've made money using his stuff and his recommendations are solid. I've bought a couple things he's recommended and they've been excellent. One was life changing. And I can say in all honesty I've never known him or his tactics to be unethical in any sense of the word. Aggressive yes. Unethical, absolutely not.

      I'm not trying to take sides here. Just felt compelled to share my experience with X.

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      • Profile picture of the author warriorsteve
        Hey Chris,
        I purchased the black book package $147 through your link. Your page said your bonus offer was still available.

        I have emailed the receipt to you twice but have received no reply as yet.

        Am I eligible for the bonus?
        I can't send you a PM here as I don't have enough posts
        under my belt. If you PM me I can give you my details

        Thanks
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          A big thank you to Mr.X for tracking down the gremlims and getting me logged in.

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  • Profile picture of the author X
    The Affiliate Black Book will be launched
    this Friday, March the 13th.

    People have been writing asking if the
    launch is really happening because of
    the past delays and the lack of hype.

    Yes, yes it is happening.

    When you see this product you will
    understand why there is no *need* for
    a bunch of hype -

    X
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    • I'm not that well known around here (probably not at all), but nonetheless here's my $0.02 about Affiliate Blackbook.

      I was lucky enough to literally stumble across X's Affiliate Blackbook forum and I subscribed a few months ago. He's been very generous with us paid subscribers, and shared a preview of the book to members of the forum.

      Here's my unsolicited review:

      I have learned more in the last 24 hours with the Blackbook - about what actually goes on and how money is made (and lost) in affiliate marketing - than in the past 4 years of trying.

      I've spent a lot of money on books, courses, etc. I haven't been gullible to spend $5000 on one of the mega-guru's courses (gee, wonder how it is they make $1,000,000 in a day...maybe from 200 lemmings?) but I've spent a lot.

      Regretted some of it, learned from most of it. Noticed a LOT OF REPETITION in almost all of it.

      I'm no stranger to cookie stuffing (did I say that in an open forum?) and similar blackhat (now grayhat) procedures. I've earned a few thousand with PPC, PPA, etc. I've also lost a few thousand with Adwords and similar.

      This book blew me away with it's utter simplicity, honesty, and techniques. I have said to myself now about half a dozen times, "Why the h**l didn't I think of that? It's SO SIMPLE!"

      Simple isn't obvious, obviously.

      This guy is the real deal. I had no knowledge of, or experience with, X prior to November of 2008. I mention this to say I have no hymns to sing, or curses to offer - no history at all. All I know about X is what he's written.

      I've already made money with his stuff. That's my #1 criterion for ANYTHING in marketing. If it works, I'm there.

      Keep it coming, X. You got me and you got me bad (and that's good).



      Originally Posted by X View Post

      The Affiliate Black Book will be launched
      this Friday, March the 13th.

      People have been writing asking if the
      launch is really happening because of
      the past delays and the lack of hype.

      Yes, yes it is happening.

      When you see this product you will
      understand why there is no *need* for
      a bunch of hype -

      X
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    Your dirty little mind is going to have to wait.
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    • Profile picture of the author X
      I guess we know which link you clicked Scott.

      :-)

      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      Your dirty little mind is going to have to wait.
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      • Profile picture of the author aniebee
        I almost hate posting this here, but I have to know ~
        I could have sworn that the first 100 people get access for $97? If so, what time do the
        doors open?

        I wasn't around when blackbook came out (I was still trying to get adsense to work - seriously!) & I really don't want to miss out on this.

        Thanks!
        Ann
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by X View Post

        I guess we know which link you clicked Scott.

        :-)
        Guilty as well. Just put up a buy now button and forget the sales page already.
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    No need for a sales page here either. Just send me the early bird order link.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
      Originally Posted by DonDavis View Post

      No need for a sales page here either. Just send me the early bird order link.
      I'm with you and Mr. Cueball. Just buy whatever X puts out. Its good stuff period.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommyp
    I AGREE. I'm looking forward to it.

    But as if what .X. offers isn't enough the best affiliate offer I've seen for this goes to:

    Looking For The Best Affiliate Black Book Bonus? | Affiliate BlackBook Videos

    And, no, it isn't mine. That's Chris Hubbard. I just think that if someone is going to get the Black Book that bonus is a smart way to go because it is directly related to the Black Book.

    I've read some of Chris' comments on the Black Books Blog and he seems like a sharp guy.

    Also, remember it's Friday the 13th (taking the legend out of the day cause it's gonna be a good day for some people ;-) at noon Pacific. That's 1pm Mountain Time. 2pm Central. 3pm Eastern.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    Today is the day. !!
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  • Profile picture of the author lisa mesa
    Looking forward to seeing the "X rated" sales letter. Should be fun!
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    A few problems getting going.

    The cc would not verify online. I had to process offline. I don't know if the bank is "protecting me" from an online purchase or if the processor is jammed.

    For some reason I can't stay logged in to the site. It keeps coming back "You are not currently logged in."... checked the cookies, verified the username, password, etc. Not sure what's up with that.

    Otherwise.. looking good. I like X's style.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    Ok... sharing my knowlege here: Exit the browser after the salesletter, and use the link provided in the email if you have trouble staying logged in. That one worked for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author X
    Scott -

    Check you PM's - give me a call.

    We'll sort it out - haven't had any other
    complaints so far but obviously the
    system hasn't experience this level of
    stress before.

    X
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    • Profile picture of the author gigsy
      Sales System worked fine for me all is good everything worked smoothly.

      OK back to information overload :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author WAL972
        Can ANYONE tell me if the Blog Popper software is a one-time deal or only available with the ongoing monthly membership? I'm now getting ready to crack the piggybank with a mallet

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  • Profile picture of the author X
    It's a one time deal Jeff.

    FYI - 1SC is down at the moment.

    In one day I've crashed Gmail AND 1SC.

    At least that's what the next hyped up
    email I send out will say. :-)

    It was a great day today - thanks to
    everyone. I hope you're all happy
    customers.

    X

    UPDATE: 1SC is back up.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by X View Post

      It's a one time deal Jeff.

      FYI - 1SC is down at the moment.

      In one day I've crashed Gmail AND 1SC.

      At least that's what the next hyped up
      email I send out will say. :-)

      It was a great day today - thanks to
      everyone. I hope you're all happy
      customers.

      X

      UPDATE: 1SC is back up.

      Awesome product X. I just took most of the day off and went through the manual and most of the material online. I haven't been able to figure out how to move forward with my current project. Not anymore, Affiliate Blackbook gave me a road to follow. Honestly, it made me rethink affiliate marketing all together. I should have incorporated affiliate marketing into my business plan from day one.

      Now I need to get back to work. My wife is looking at more things to buy.
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      • Profile picture of the author N1
        Hey X

        I PMed you my order info.

        I purchased this morning and I thought I booked marked the members area home page but I didn't.

        Now I cant get back there, can use please send it to me.

        Thanks

        Nick
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by N1 View Post

          Hey X

          I PMed you my order info.

          I purchased this morning and I thought I booked marked the members area home page but I didn't.

          Now I cant get back there, can use please send it to me.

          Thanks

          Nick
          You should have received an email Nick with the link. Check your junk folder or spam folder.
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          • Profile picture of the author N1
            Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

            You should have received an email Nick with the link. Check your junk folder or spam folder.
            Thanks Thomas that's where it was.

            Nick
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            • Profile picture of the author FG
              Did anyone have any trouble with getting to the "Affiliate Blackbook" or logging on after payment was sent?

              I signed up about 10 minutes after the doors opened but I never made it to the actually sign-up page. I got all the emails telling me welcome and that my payment had been approved.

              I have emailed support but no luck at getting a reply. I sure was hoping to be able to go through the ebook this weekend.

              I have bought products from X before. I know the quality will be top notch. That is why I actually signed up for the apostle membership.

              This will be worked out but I am afraid it may be next week before I can get in.

              Anyone else with this problem or any suggestions?

              Floyd
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              • Profile picture of the author tyler99
                i bought this morning. was sent to an invalid download link. submitted message to support -- no response as of tonight...

                i could complain and grouse about this being biz 101 stuff -- but what's the point...
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                • Profile picture of the author X
                  Tyler I just logged into my held desk and
                  I have exactly ZERO outstanding tickets.

                  Unless your problem has already been
                  resolved, submit your ticket at

                  Factor X Marketing - Powered By Kayako eSupport

                  X


                  Originally Posted by tyler99 View Post

                  i bought this morning. was sent to an invalid download link. submitted message to support -- no response as of tonight...

                  i could complain and grouse about this being biz 101 stuff -- but what's the point...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Lucidboomer
                    X - I just purchased Black Books DVD (international - Canada) and upon completion of the PayPay order the redirect failed.

                    Is there a download page? or is it going to be shipped.

                    Looking forward to it.

                    PS. like your style lots...
                    and the report was great!

                    Nick
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                    • Profile picture of the author X
                      Hey LB -

                      Thanks for the positive feedback.

                      There have been a few issues this weekend
                      that I've tracked to 1ShoppingCart having
                      some issues - they've been up and down
                      all weekend. Sorry - not much I can do
                      there.

                      Your DVDs will be shipped tomorrow.

                      And guys, I can serve you much better
                      through my help desk than I can through
                      someone else's forum. :-)

                      http://factorx.helpserve.com

                      It's been a great launch so far and I
                      appreciate everyone's enthusiasm and
                      support.

                      All the best to you - X



                      Originally Posted by Lucidboomer View Post

                      X - I just purchased Black Books DVD (international - Canada) and upon completion of the PayPay order the redirect failed.

                      Is there a download page? or is it going to be shipped.

                      Looking forward to it.

                      PS. like your style lots...
                      and the report was great!

                      Nick
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                      • Profile picture of the author tyler99
                        So X are you seeing our tickets now at your helpdesk...previous post of yours stated they have all been responded to...mine still hasn't had a response from sat 10am...thx

                        "And guys, I can serve you much better
                        through my help desk than I can through
                        someone else's forum. :-)

                        http://factorx.helpserve.com"
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                      • Profile picture of the author Lucidboomer
                        I won't bug ya here. BTW... excellent interface on that help desk! Once again... very clean and functional. If that's how your mind works, I'm really looking forward to the material.

                        I've been studying this stuff since my accountant told me about another of her clients that doing it two years ago. Shhhhh... but she showed me the books... since I fix her computers etc... for the past 20 years. Anyway.. I knew then that I HAD to get into this. Problem is that EVERYTHING has been fluff so far. And I'm talking about the big boys... the six pack I call them.

                        You appear to have substance. We'll see. If so, you'll get some raving testimonials from this caveman.

                        LB

                        Originally Posted by X View Post

                        Hey LB -

                        Thanks for the positive feedback.

                        There have been a few issues this weekend
                        that I've tracked to 1ShoppingCart having
                        some issues - they've been up and down
                        all weekend. Sorry - not much I can do
                        there.

                        ...
                        All the best to you - X
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                        • Profile picture of the author RoyChan
                          X,

                          Same as above comment, ticket submitted, but no one has responsed.

                          "And guys, I can serve you much better
                          through my help desk than I can through
                          someone else's forum. :-)

                          http://factorx.helpserve.com"

                          thx,
                          R
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                            Originally Posted by netpro7 View Post

                            X,

                            Same as above comment, ticket submitted, but no one has responsed.

                            "And guys, I can serve you much better
                            through my help desk than I can through
                            someone else's forum. :-)

                            http://factorx.helpserve.com"

                            thx,
                            R

                            R - if you're Ron, then your ticket was just
                            taken care of at 7AM my time.

                            If you're not Ron, I have no ticket for you.

                            Let me be clear to everyone here - I do not
                            work 24 hours per day. If you live in Tanzania
                            and post a support ticket at 3:30 AM my time
                            you *WILL NOT* receive an answer within
                            10 minutes. It's not going to happen.

                            X
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                            • Profile picture of the author tyler99
                              X - with all due respect -- you need to sharpen your process.

                              Nobody that I can see has asked for a 10 min response.

                              Yes, I am tyler martin -- can you tell me what I should have received? I did receive a link from Justin for the bonus but no response from your support????????

                              If this is too much hassle (cause it's becoming one for me), just send a refund to that same paypal email and we can call it a day.

                              I'm busy just like you so babysitting a buying process is not the best use of my time or yours.

                              Tyler
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              • Profile picture of the author X
                Floyd -

                Same story as above. All help tickets have
                been cleared. Check your spam folders.

                X


                Originally Posted by FG View Post

                Did anyone have any trouble with getting to the "Affiliate Blackbook" or logging on after payment was sent?

                I signed up about 10 minutes after the doors opened but I never made it to the actually sign-up page. I got all the emails telling me welcome and that my payment had been approved.

                I have emailed support but no luck at getting a reply. I sure was hoping to be able to go through the ebook this weekend.

                I have bought products from X before. I know the quality will be top notch. That is why I actually signed up for the apostle membership.

                This will be worked out but I am afraid it may be next week before I can get in.

                Anyone else with this problem or any suggestions?

                Floyd
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                • Profile picture of the author tyler99
                  Nothing in my spam folder:

                  Sent Approx 10AM PST:

                  Ticket ID: EOD-635312
                  Subject: download link didn't work
                  Department: Affiliate Black Book
                  Priority: Critical
                  Status: Open

                  ===============================

                  Thank you for your order.

                  Order Receipt:

                  Order ID: 141114110
                  Date: Sat Mar 14 12:57:40 -0400 2009 EST
                  Payment Type:
                  Order Status: Accepted

                  ===================================


                  Check your process for downloading.
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                  • Profile picture of the author FG
                    Same here. Nothing in the spam folder and the support ticket is still open.

                    Floyd
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        • Profile picture of the author X
          Hi Nick -

          Thank you for your purchase.

          You should see a "Start" button in the top nav.

          Just click it. If you don't see the "Start" button,
          let me know (via my help desk, not here) and
          we'll take care of you - seems a few people have
          been affected by a glitch between 1SC and
          Wishlist Member.

          All the best to you - X


          Originally Posted by N1 View Post

          Hey X

          I PMed you my order info.

          I purchased this morning and I thought I booked marked the members area home page but I didn't.

          Now I cant get back there, can use please send it to me.

          Thanks

          Nick
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          • Profile picture of the author Lucidboomer
            I have the same problem... but can't pm for another few posts yet.... this is #9
            hmm.... 6 more to go....

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    • Profile picture of the author Lucidboomer
      Great stuff X. I just purchased. The report was good. 20 pages and to the point. Absent of all the bullshit!

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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    Awesome product. Just a few of the insights I got were worth the entire cost by themselves.

    I just came across a gem just now, slapped my head, and yelled "Of course!" .X. really thinks out of the box. I'm like a kid in a candy store. This is stuff is wonderful.

    Ok... now to kick my butt and put it to use.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
      You know, I just promised myself I wouldn't buy any more courses...this one looks pretty good though.
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        Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen View Post

        You know, I just promised myself I wouldn't buy any more courses...this one looks pretty good though.
        Hi Nathan,


        I am not interested in talking you into buying the course. I am not an affiliate.

        Like Scott says, X thinks outside the box which helps me to get creative.

        He normally has things in his course that won't be in any other courses I have read. That is why so many people will be ready to purchase when he comes out with something.

        He is a genuine person who actually wants people to succeed. I know he could be selling his courses for a heck of a lot more.

        He will kick your ass if you don't apply it.

        We can't talk about what is in the course, otherwise X will get the fight club on our ass.
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        • Profile picture of the author X
          Thanks Thomas.

          Remember folks, we DO NOT talk about Fight Club.



          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

          Hi Nathan,


          I am not interested in talking you into buying the course. I am not an affiliate.

          Like Scott says, X thinks outside the box which helps me to get creative.

          He normally has things in his course that won't be in any other courses I have read. That is why so many people will be ready to purchase when he comes out with something.

          He is a genuine person who actually wants people to succeed. I know he could be selling his courses for a heck of a lot more.

          He will kick your ass if you don't apply it.

          We can't talk about what is in the course, otherwise X will get the fight club on our ass.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cynthia Hernandez
      What is the X Affiliate Blackbook? Newbie to this stuff and willing to learn from the from the best. Great stuff your tips too.

      Thank you
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      • Profile picture of the author win292
        Originally Posted by Cynthia Hernandez View Post

        What is the X Affiliate Blackbook? Newbie to this stuff and willing to learn from the from the best. Great stuff your tips too.

        Thank you
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        X said it is not suitable for newbie.
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        • Profile picture of the author nhazdy
          Oh.. not so suitable for newbie?

          I used to try doing PPC, but I stop, just cant stand to see the cost incurred very quickly.
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        • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
          Originally Posted by win292 View Post

          X said it is not suitable for newbie.
          Certainly X doesn't teach how to do FTP or how to set up
          a tinurl or Myspace page... and some of his stuff is technical,
          but if you are just starting out and you want to know some real
          insider stuff you should check it out. Of course you'll have to
          do remedial work to learn WordPress, for example, but what he
          teaches here about how to run a business could shave a couple
          of years off your long-term learning curve.

          Recommended, and you'll need to use your brain to comprehend
          and implement this stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author wyomble
      This looks interesting but I'd like to know if it is for me or not based on my experience. I do know HTML, FTP, and have been reading this form for a bit but that is about where my experience ends. I really don't know much about marketing other than basic article marketing, link building, and basic SEO. The sales page said this wasn't for newbies but how new is too new?

      I bought a couple established websites that sell products for $35. Is my price point too low for adwords or the tactics described in this product?

      Also, does anyone here have hard figures for that their cash flow before and after implementing these tactics?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mario Brown
    Ok one question, can you somehow break down in a percentage how much there is about adwords compared to non adwords methods?
    Is it like 60/40 or more like 90/10?
    I mean I'm not that much into Adwords, I know the basics and tested the waters with some small campaigns.
    But I love out of the box approaches, is there also a lot of info beside all the Adwords related info, Aff Marketing in general, other methods/sources than adwords?

    I think I'm sold already anyways =)

    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author X
      Mario -

      My post to Mav probably already answered most
      of your question -

      But, although Adwords is the cornerstone of
      my traffic I also teach a number of other ways
      to get traffic - one way even involves having
      no traffic or list of your own.

      So this course includes a healthy dose of
      Adwords, but that's not the main theme either.

      All the best to you - X



      Originally Posted by yellowboy View Post

      Ok one question, can you somehow break down in a percentage how much there is about adwords compared to non adwords methods?
      Is it like 60/40 or more like 90/10?
      I mean I'm not that much into Adwords, I know the basics and tested the waters with some small campaigns.
      But I love out of the box approaches, is there also a lot of info beside all the Adwords related info, Aff Marketing in general, other methods/sources than adwords?

      I think I'm sold already anyways =)

      Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author WhosMaverick
    Humble question guys....

    Would anybody recommend ABB as a good "starting" point for a *ppc* newbie like myself...?

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author X
      Mav -

      The focus of this book is more on creative
      uses for affiliate marketing.

      Although I don't think this course - or
      anything previous that I've done is a
      comprehensive Adwords education, it *is*
      "Here's what I *do* and here's what I did
      when I had no money to lose as a noob".

      In words, you can learn more of "here's
      everything you ever wanted to know about
      Adwords and more" elsewhere - or you can
      learn the boiled down version of "here's what
      to do to give yourself the best chance to
      survive and thrive".

      All the best to you - X

      Originally Posted by WhosMaverick View Post

      Humble question guys....

      Would anybody recommend ABB as a good "starting" point for a *ppc* newbie like myself...?

      Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    Patience. I don't think X works on weekends. Just put in a help desk ticket and I'm sure you'll be taken care of.

    Floyd.. I had a problem with the software so I closed the browser and used the link in the email. That worked fine. After that I was able to download, etc.
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    where do i find the link for the x
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Hubbard
    Hey Steve,

    Sorry for the delayed response. I just went through my entire inbox and emailed everyone a video update on the bonus. I had the member's area setup but ran into a couple of technical problems that I think are due to having 2 Wordpress installations on the same domain...(of course it was working fine until the 12th when I started adding a bunch of content...figures right?) I was trying to work through those but ultimately decided to move the member's area to a new domain.

    I am in the process of migrating the content I had in the member's area to the new domain. I'm going to be using the WP Wishlist plugin to manage it all so it should be a much nicer member's area than it would have originally been. (and more importantly, IT WILL WORK). This way I can focus on delivering great video tutorials rather than dealing with technical problems.

    The video I sent explains everything in detail and gives you a look at what's in the members area right now. I should have everything setup and ready to go by Tuesday.

    Thanks again for purchasing thru my link. I look forward to working with you.

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  • Profile picture of the author X
    Tyler -

    Are you Tyler Martin?

    If so I took care of your accesses yesterday
    and you should have received an email.

    If you're not Tyler Martin I have no clue who
    you are and that makes helping you a challenge.

    This AM I have one support ticket and the
    ticket number you posted doesn't exist in
    my system. So I either have an issue with
    Kayako, or my support person. I will deal
    with that and find out what's going on here.

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    Tyler -

    What you received from Justin is what
    you paid for. You paid for PPC Scare
    Tactics only and that's exactly what
    you have received.

    Since your issue has been resolved,
    what's the issue now?

    re: Support, it is CLEARLY stated in
    numerous places we don't work on
    weekends. Given we just launched
    and a few people have had issues,
    this weekend was an exception to
    resolve any bugs in the system that
    cannot be foreseen regardless of
    pre-launch testing.

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  • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
    Hi All,

    Wanted to jump in here in Mr. X's defense. Just getting Kayako fine tuned, and as he said, on Monday AM . Note you've all been communicating over the weekend during "Closed" times


    John was not able to see your tickets. In fact no one was. Not his error. Just hadn't had Kayako set-up completed yet. So all should be fine and ready to go now.

    If you allow a little time for tickets to get caught up now today, all should be back on track ASAP. Here's to luck o' the green tomorrow on St. Patty's Day


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  • Profile picture of the author tyler99
    I did get a response -- thanks.

    Well, I get I missunderstood your sales page -- and I will share this here in case anyone else makes the same mistake.

    I thought the sales page stated I was getting ABB and PPC Scare as a bonus. Apparently, I purchased just PPC scare for $67 on ABB's site. Confusing sure. My mistake yes. Definately a product I would not have paid $67 for itself though -- nothing personal Justin.

    Also, X, if you are going to do a launch on a Friday...perhaps give thought to your support hours before making that business decision.

    Lesson learned. Should have went with my gut on this one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
      I'm a bit confused over your confusion. There is a button under "PPC Scare Tactics Only" for $67.

      There is a mention in the PPC Scare Tactics bonus area that says "This Total Package Has a $97 Value . . . But It's Your's FREE with Your Affiliate Black Book Purchase"

      I guess I could see if you clicked on the first order button and figured it was the only order button. There are 3 buttons you can choose from. The black book was more than $67 so I'm not sure why you thought you would get it and PPC Scare for that price. Maybe that should have been the last button, don't know. Maybe the best package could have been button #1 then go down from there. Not my call, not my business. I just know that many people were able to figure it out.

      You might feel slighted, but really, you were not. I wouldn't let this stop you from learning some excellent stuff. I'm making an assumption based on your comment of "Should have went with my gut on this one" that you wish you didn't order. If I'm wrong I apologize.

      I'm a scanner myself. I knew the day this came out I was going to buy. When I got to the bottom I was halted in my tracks trying to understand each of the three options fully. Dang... I had to go back and read a bit. I had no idea what PPC Scare was, what NinjaMoFo was, etc.

      I'm not worried in the slightest about getting value at these prices. I hope your confusion and bumpy start will not taint you so that you lose out on something really good.





      Originally Posted by tyler99 View Post

      I did get a response -- thanks.

      Well, I get I missunderstood your sales page -- and I will share this here in case anyone else makes the same mistake.

      I thought the sales page stated I was getting ABB and PPC Scare as a bonus. Apparently, I purchased just PPC scare for $67 on ABB's site. Confusing sure. My mistake yes. Definately a product I would not have paid $67 for itself though -- nothing personal Justin.

      Also, X, if you are going to do a launch on a Friday...perhaps give thought to your support hours before making that business decision.

      Lesson learned. Should have went with my gut on this one.
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  • Profile picture of the author tyler99
    By the way:

    This is the heading of the email that was sent to me:

    "Welcome to PPC Scare Tactics Black Book Bonus"
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  • Profile picture of the author X
    Thank you Scott.

    What I don't like about selling in this market
    is that people are jaded and accustomed
    to being yanked around. Unfortunately that's
    what we come to expect and we have a
    short fuse - I'm no different so I understand
    it.

    My whole business grew up out of that
    pissed off attitude as a customer.

    So I'm not surprised that's what some of
    you are expecting.

    That's not how I operate and although I
    am not perfect and people get mishandled
    on occasion, I think you'll find many more
    who will express their gratitude for the
    effort I give them.

    By the same token, I'm glad the Loz
    incident happened here because I also
    do not believe the customer is always
    right.

    Some customers are assholes. Some are
    thieves. Some are just miserable and
    looking for a place to vent. Others aren't
    as clued in as they think they are.

    In your case Tyler, young fellow, you
    probably don't know that on Sunday -
    which I do not believe anybody should
    work on Sunday - I spent at least an
    hour of my day focused on *you* and only
    *you*, trying to hunt *you* down and resolve
    your issue. Be clear, I'm a guy averaging
    a couple thousand dollars *per hour*
    income right now and I'm personally
    addressing your issue on my Sabbath day.

    Let it sink in - your $67 isn't that important
    to me - your satisfaction is. And in the
    process you've acted like a smug young
    punk who probably needs a good ass kick
    out back to learn a lesson. Hey, that's
    a part of moving from thinking you're a
    man to becoming a man - we all need it
    (and get it at least once) sooner or later.

    *My* gut is you don't have what it takes
    to be an X customer. But we all make
    mistakes - we all have bad days and for
    that reason alone I have extended you
    the benefit of the doubt.

    Now - take Chris Hubbard as an example
    to contrast yourself with. Chris is a
    model customer of mine. He's taken what
    I've taught him, innovated some of his
    own twists, and in the same time you've
    had issues he's made many thousands of
    dollars.

    I'm not claiming success for anyone because
    no matter what I offer it's up to the
    customer to do it - that success is their
    success. I can tell you this, my customer
    list reads like a who's who of Internet
    marketers and there are plenty who've
    taken what I teach and risen in their own
    right on it.

    If you want a refund, ask for it so we
    can be done with you. If you want to
    shut up and learn something, I'm happy
    to share what I know and we'll see what
    you do with it.

    Either way, all the best to you - X
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  • Profile picture of the author tyler99
    X -- thanks for the response.

    You make me laugh -- I mean that seriously and not sarcastically.

    For the record I am not so young anymore (unfortunately)...

    I am really not a refunder...why don't you let me upgrade to the next rung up and we can go from there. Just send me the button or tell me the best way to resolve this.

    If that's not possible, if be happy to "shut up" and consider myself "not worthy". Just send me a refund.

    I am happy either way.

    Tyler

    PS. Scott, thanks for the cool response. It's appreciated. Yep, my bad about making a wrong assumption when I purchased. I originally tried to purchase with a coupon code and it was used up. Just messed up and probably didn't read as carefully as I should have...thanks for adding your thoughts
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
      Is this a shtick?
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        A lot of people on this forum really crack me up. For one thing, based on their posts I know they are not really selling much of anything. If they think that problems will never exist during the sales cycle then they haven't sold anything. I really don't care of you worked on the sales cycle for years, shit happens.

        Yes people are jaded in this market. I would prefer the really jaded ones not purchase anything, especially from me. It isn't like I want to deal with crap that I have seen in this thread.

        I bend over backwards for my customers just like X does. But there comes a time when that customer needs to get fired and I would say based on Tyler's response here, he would have been fired a long time ago.

        Funny how this product just came out on Friday. It almost sounds like people have been having problems for weeks on this thing.
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      • Profile picture of the author X
        :-)

        I couldn't just smile - the system said
        my message is too short. This meaningless
        sentence intentionally inserted.

        Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen View Post

        Is this a shtick?
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      Hey Tyler -

      When I was 19 my 24 year-old friend
      seemed old. Now that I'm 40, 24 sure
      looks young. Enjoy every minute of it.

      Check your email amigo.

      X



      Originally Posted by tyler99 View Post

      X -- thanks for the response.

      You make me laugh -- I mean that seriously and not sarcastically.

      For the record I am not so young anymore (unfortunately)...

      I am really not a refunder...why don't you let me upgrade to the next rung up and we can go from there. Just send me the button or tell me the best way to resolve this.

      If that's not possible, if be happy to "shut up" and consider myself "not worthy". Just send me a refund.

      I am happy either way.

      Tyler

      PS. Scott, thanks for the cool response. It's appreciated. Yep, my bad about making a wrong assumption when I purchased. I originally tried to purchase with a coupon code and it was used up. Just messed up and probably didn't read as carefully as I should have...thanks for adding your thoughts
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  • Profile picture of the author tyler99
    X - Got it! Thanks.

    Please let me know how I can pay you the difference -- paypal is ideal and will do so immediately.

    Thomas: for the record I am not going to get in the trenches with you - but am comfortable my business accomplishments speak loudly -- including buying, selling and developing multi-million dollar businesses. I'll make note of your name so you can save the "firing" in the future. Of course, the fact that I don't recognize your name and you have close to 3000 posts...I guess speaks for itself...
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      It's all cool.

      X


      Originally Posted by tyler99 View Post

      X - Got it! Thanks.

      Please let me know how I can pay you the difference -- paypal is ideal and will do so immediately.

      Thomas: for the record I am not going to get in the trenches with you - but am comfortable my business accomplishments speak loudly -- including buying, selling and developing multi-million dollar businesses. I'll make note of your name so you can save the "firing" in the future. Of course, the fact that I don't recognize your name and you have close to 3000 posts...I guess speaks for itself...
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      Originally Posted by tyler99 View Post

      X - Got it! Thanks.

      Please let me know how I can pay you the difference -- paypal is ideal and will do so immediately.

      Thomas: for the record I am not going to get in the trenches with you - but am comfortable my business accomplishments speak loudly -- including buying, selling and developing multi-million dollar businesses. I'll make note of your name so you can save the "firing" in the future. Of course, the fact that I don't recognize your name and you have close to 3000 posts...I guess speaks for itself...
      Yeah right Tyler. I almost believed you. Your claims speak for itself, normally bs. People that make money normally don't tell others because it is better to keep it a secret.
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    Cool Thomas. No hard feelings on my part. Have a nice one.
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      Originally Posted by tyler99 View Post

      Cool Thomas. No hard feelings on my part. Have a nice one.
      You too Tyler. Or should I call you Trump?

      Life is too great for hard feelings.
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    Is Mr. X Perrry Belcher? Or am I confusion him with someone else?
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    • Profile picture of the author LB
      Originally Posted by malcasid View Post

      Is Mr. X Perrry Belcher? Or am I confusion him with someone else?
      This is just X.

      No "mister".

      He is the O.G.
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      • Profile picture of the author tommyp
        Anyone complaining out of desperation is likely not a previous X customer. If they were they'd know better. Anyone who doesn't know me might not put weight on what I say but you don't have to worry about X. You're in good hands. I had trouble ordering but I didn't sweat it because I knew who I was dealing with. In my case it got settled very quickly. If anyone's problem hasn't been settled yet I'm pretty sure it will so take it easy. You can relax.
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      • Profile picture of the author Atrain818
        I just bought the Affiliate Black Book program. At no point during the purchase process was I asked to set up a username or password. None of the follow up emails or receipts have this info either. How do I log in? I can't submit a ticket as it also asks for my username and password. Please help, I have sent away my girlfriend for the weekend as I intended to dive into this material and learn as much as possible with zero distractions. Can anyone help me?
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        • Profile picture of the author Atrain818
          Never mind I was able to get through to tech support and they have gotten me access. Pretty sweet that they fixed it on a weekend. Much thanks
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            Hi Atrain -

            Wishlist Member (the membership software
            I'm using) should automatically create your
            account and email your details.

            Glad that you were taken care of promptly
            and thank you for your investment.

            All the best to you - X
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            • Profile picture of the author Eben
              wow Just realized I'm now a Apostle4 member.

              I really want to continue my membership, but the lack of a private forum, and the only new worthwhile content so far being the 2 webinars with John each month makes it hard for me to justify the 40 bucks..

              For those of you who are still a member, what values are you getting out of the site/blog? Would be helpful to hear the reasons why you guys continue to stick around, just so I know I'm not missing any great content from the blog that I didn't know about..
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                Originally Posted by Eben View Post

                wow Just realized I'm now a Apostle4 member.

                I really want to continue my membership, but the lack of a private forum, and the only new worthwhile content so far being the 2 webinars with John each month makes it hard for me to justify the 40 bucks..

                For those of you who are still a member, what values are you getting out of the site/blog? Would be helpful to hear the reasons why you guys continue to stick around, just so I know I'm not missing any great content from the blog that I didn't know about..
                Being able to ask X questions, in the membership, is worth far more than the $40 a month.

                I guess it really depends on if you are doing this stuff. If you are just sitting around waiting for the next post than it may not be worth it to you. If you are actually working and putting this into action, being able to ask questions is well worth the price.

                How many ideas do you need in order to get $40 worth?
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                • Profile picture of the author Eben
                  hey Thomas thanks for the comment. it never even occured to me that i could ask X questions directly..

                  what's the best way to reach him? all i see in the contact page is support or submitting a ticket??
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                    Originally Posted by Eben View Post

                    hey Thomas thanks for the comment. it never even occured to me that i could ask X questions directly..

                    what's the best way to reach him? all i see in the contact page is support or submitting a ticket??
                    Post a comment. That is what I did and he answered the question pretty fast.

                    If you start putting some of the concepts into action, than ask specific questions. X wants you to succeed. It is pretty obvious. I think you will get more out of the membership if you do it this way. I am starting to put some things into action and will be asking questions based on my tests.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Eben
                      thanks guys, looks like i'll be sticking around for a bit longer

                      btw, it would be nice if X would consider either having a members forum, or opening up the comments where we can exchange ideas/tactics, finding JV partners, or finding out which merchants to stay away from, etc.
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                      • Profile picture of the author X
                        First, thanks to the two Ts.

                        Eben,

                        Always feel free to post questions via the
                        membership site. I put a lot of my time into
                        answering questions there. Tommy's right -
                        I don't feel successful if the people who
                        are trying aren't successful. Simply taking
                        money every month without that feels like
                        crap to me.

                        If you have something the group will learn
                        from then the membership site is the best
                        place to post - and if you have something
                        more personal that you don't want the
                        world on top of, then submit a help desk
                        ticket and I'll get with you there.

                        I appreciate the suggestion of opening
                        up the discussion - I will do that now. It
                        hasn't been open to control the malcontents
                        but since there are no malcontents I don't
                        need to worry about that.

                        All the best to you - X




                        Originally Posted by Eben View Post

                        thanks guys, looks like i'll be sticking around for a bit longer

                        btw, it would be nice if X would consider either having a members forum, or opening up the comments where we can exchange ideas/tactics, finding JV partners, or finding out which merchants to stay away from, etc.
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    As expected! Perfect Service X!
    Got the email to day about the shipping.

    'Yer right X. Life is a paradox. Understanding that is .... to SEE the matrix.

    Thanks for the great service!

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    I'm starting to love marketing because of this eBook.
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  • Profile picture of the author WhosMaverick
    Certainly X doesn't teach how to do FTP or how to set up
    a tinurl or Myspace page... and some of his stuff is technical,
    but if you are just starting out and you want to know some real
    insider stuff
    you should check it out. Of course you'll have to
    do remedial work to learn WordPress, for example, but what he
    teaches here about how to run a business could shave a couple
    of years off your long-term learning curve.


    Recommended, and you'll need to use your brain to comprehend
    and implement this stuff.
    Agreed 100%.

    Im a ppc newbie myself but i can already see how much sense it makes... And frankly...anybody who seriously wants to get ahead in the game should consider his methodology. And not because of the techniques but because it is based on true systems and not quick cash "here today gone tomorrow" crap that many do...

    Leverage is key and that is what he teaches IMHO.

    Then again, doesnt matter if your a newbie AS LONG as you IMPLEMENT and *learn* techie stuff by *researching*. No excuses....if as a newbie your *serious*.

    my 2 cents
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    Originally Posted by kellyfish View Post

    any discount for warrior member in the future ?
    My guess is no, but who knows. You may have noticed the price is going up, not down. Best to get it now if you really want it.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommyp
    If you become a customer of his once you might get a discount on stuff in the future.

    But as far as I know there was no discount for the general public on the Affiliate Black Book.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommyp
    Eben,

    There's a poll there to pick the thing you are most interested in.

    But, yea. If you don't have any other way to contact X just use his help desk. He's a cool guy who wants to help his customers. He's one of the very few that is not on my sh*t list. Just be patient, he's human. If you need anything cleared up I'm sure he'll do the best he can within his power.

    And to be fair it's not just two webinars a month. He may also give the occasional extra webinar about something and he has been making valuable posts on a regular basis.

    I also know personally that he has extra goodies in store, possibly software and stuff, that he plans on *giving away* to his Apostle members.

    If you can afford it, then stay. You're in good hands.

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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Deegan
    Abit late to the party but boy am I glad I showed up...

    In depth review coming shortly...
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Deegan
      Here is my review after going through the material. I'll post a follow up in a few weeks after I see how things go on the implementation of X's methods.

      First, the good.

      X lays out the framework for an affiliate model that has long term sustainability and helps you build an actual asset. He's also putting down the foundation to becoming a future product creator within a niche at some point if one decides to make that leap.

      Some of the core concepts themselves taught by X may not be new, but the way X teaches them and explains his philosophy is quite different and very empowering. There are nuances and insights X brings to the table that others just don't have, won't share or maybe they just can't communicate as effectively.

      Two things about what X teaches really stand out to me. First his model is much more google slap proof. If you don't want to worry day in and day out about google screwing with your campaigns or you want to build an affiliate based business were you don't have to watch your campaigns like hawk every freaking minute, X is your savior.

      The second thing I noticed is X will say or show you things that end up altering your perception and will change the way you look at certain things. I think part of his goal is to teach you to become innovative and creative instead of following what everyone else is doing.

      Now beside the content in the blackbook itself I think having access to talk with X as an apostle is a TREMENDOUS value. Lately I see X responding to post after post answering questions left and right. As long as this keeps up I'll be a member for a long time and I personally HATE anything with monthly fee.

      X also provides a pretty insane tool called blog popper. This is cookie stuffing done right in my opinion. It's appears highly flexible and has many uses which are outlined that are quite logical and ethical. Now I personally have not got around to testing the tool yet, but if it works as advertised this alone is worth the cost of the blackbook.

      Now it's only right I talk about what I feel is lacking. First there are some portions of the book I wish he expanded on. I'm going to go over the material again and highlight some stuff and post some questions to help fill in the gaps.

      I also wish there were case studies which X could break down for us. Ideally I would love to see his whole philosophy broken down from conception to profit in a brand spanking new niche. I'd easily pay for this as a separate product.

      (NOTE - I just noticed X may be up for doing a case study. When I posted this I didn't notice his response to my request in the members area...good stuff indeed.)


      Anyone looking to get REAL and serious in their affiliate efforts owes it to themselves to pick up the affiliate black book. With all the crap being taught, it's nice to have something this solid to refer back and help keep one on track.

      P.S. To X, please create something along the lines of Mass Control but geared toward affiliate marketing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Eben
        great review Gorilla Writer! i feel much the same way.

        i know X is concerned about spam bots and such, but i still think a password protected private forum is the answer and would give a lot more value for his paying members.

        now having to navigate through all the old blog posts just to see if there's any new comments added for a particular topic is very time consuming and not practical at all. especially as time goes by with more blog posts being created i see this being a major problem in the future. most people simply won't bother going through page after page just to see the older posts, and therefore could potentially miss out on some really good stuff.

        i still wish X would reconsider and set up a private forum of some sort..
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Deegan
          I do have to say a forum would be nice. There is so much gold in the blog comments, but it's a pain in the ass to dig them all up and organize them in a way that makes sense... I also just wanted to say that I re-read the blackbook on 2 hour bus ride yesterday and I can't get over how new things jump out at me each time I go over the material. It's not that I am reading something new, but understanding something in a new light...
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Deegan
    Hi Wyomble. How new is to new is a very good question...The blackbook is weird because it does lay out things in broad paint by numbers fashion, yet it's not really a step by step how to guide.

    From the sound of things you may be ok with the technical side of things, but may need additional educational material in other areas related to marketing and PPC.

    But that goes for almost every course. When a product tries to cover to much and explain everything under the sun...in most cases each individual area suffers because of the broad brush focus.

    I will say this, If you want something to build your foundation on the blackbook is where its at. You may need to study certain subjects more in depth, but the philosophy of the blackbook will put you on extremely firm footing in which to move forward.
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  • Profile picture of the author X
    OK, so I'm going to cave into Eben's
    consistent requests for a forum. :-)

    That should be up by the end of
    next week.

    Wyombie, my philosophy is basically
    look for ways to leverage what you're
    already doing to build a business.

    EVERY Adwords campaign should be
    seen as a front-end transaction, that
    gets people into YOUR business, so
    you can continue to make offers.

    A $37 sale may not be enough to be
    profitable on Adwords if your only
    focused on selling a $37 product -
    what comes after that? If the answer
    is nothing, then you're probably going
    to have trouble.

    But, if you're building a list and you
    have something "next" then you're odds
    increase greatly - and you have a
    decided advantage over anyone else
    selling that same product, or similar.

    It's not the one-off mindset taught
    by most affiliate marketing programs -

    Think "self liquidating offers" using
    other people's products to build lists
    with some tricks to reduce risk and
    increase the odds you get paid.

    My goal, aside from helping people
    take the most direct route to making
    money, is to help you become a more
    creative marketer - to think outside
    of the box and to gain leverage using
    resources widely available but that
    most people don't really understand
    how to USE to THEIR advantage.

    I am as interactive as possible with
    my customers - if a blank needs to
    be filled in I'm happy to do that. My
    materials were originally for intermediate
    to advanced marketers but I'm working
    to become more newbie friendly.

    All the best to you - X
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  • Profile picture of the author JordanFrancis
    Regarding whether the Affiliate Black Book is for newbies, or not:

    If a friend were to come to me and ask for recommendations on where to start in building an affiliate business, I would strongly point him to this material. Put another way, I wish I had this information when I started.

    On the flip side, because of the all the other "stuff" I have checked out, I had a reference point in which to base this product on. Like I said to my wife, you have to kiss a lot of frogs to find your prince

    No one "thing" can be for everyone though. I guess this product just 'clicked' for me. And I ain't exactly an experienced marketer...in terms of results I am very much "newbie" but all of that is changing now.

    I would say that the philosophy .X. shares is well worth the admission cost alone. And you can learn and apply it at your own pace, right? You may not be a master the first time through, but the journey WILL become ever more familiar as you persist

    Just some thoughts...

    Jordan
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    • Profile picture of the author tommyp
      Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

      Regarding whether the Affiliate Black Book is for newbies, or not:

      If a friend were to come to me and ask for recommendations on where to start in building an affiliate business, I would strongly point him to this material. Put another way, I wish I had this information when I started.
      That's true. I think a lot of people rummage through all the information they can when they start to get into this, without any prior experience by which to judge whether or not something is worth considering, and they come across garbage that sets the wrong precedent and later on they need to unlearn a lot of what they did and it can be difficult with a cognitive dissonance that happens.

      It's better to start off on the right foot. Of course they won't know what that is and that's the tricky part but if anyone is willing to trust I would advise going with the affiliate black book. But it's not just for affiliates. Product owners can benefit from it, too. It's almost the same whether your an affiliate or not. You are selling a product and it doesn't matter if it's yours or someone else's.

      No one "thing" can be for everyone though. I guess this product just 'clicked' for me. And I ain't exactly an experienced marketer...in terms of results I am very much "newbie" but all of that is changing now.
      That's true, too but I guess that would be in how material is presented and how a person learns but generally the principles are the same and universal and just about everyone can benefit from ABB.
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      • Profile picture of the author JordanFrancis
        Originally Posted by tommyp View Post

        That's true, too but I guess that would be in how material is presented and how a person learns but generally the principles are the same and universal and just about everyone can benefit from ABB.
        A good point well made.

        And yes, on reflection the Affiliate Black Book is very relevant to product owners also. Not only because, as you say, they're still selling something, but also perhaps to gain a better appreciation for their own affiliates should they go that path.
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