Cheaper (free?) Alternatives to aweber

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Hi,

Looking to start a list and aweber looks great, but at this stage $19 a month is really not ideal until I develop a decent amount of opt-ins to merit a monthly subscription, then I am sure it will be well worth it.

So with that in mind - what are some cheaper options? Ahh, let me be honest, what are some free options?

I looked at mailchimp, but then heard they don't allow IM?

I don't mind manual work if need be. I just have put some restrictions on my making further cash outgoings now until I see some ROI coming back from what I have already paid out.

Thanks,
Luke
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  • Profile picture of the author pex7
    mail chimp is free up to a certain amount of subscribers.
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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      Just wanted to warn you.... I was just like you. Convinced that I could do everything for free. I have done almost everything for free, but I did sign up with aweber just yesterday after having used a free autoresponder for a few months.

      I am still new to IM and like you had no real budget (still don't ) So I used a free autoresponder, I didn't get many emails (around 60 if I am remembering right). One day I went to sign in and the site was just gone.... 60 emails right down the drain. I know it is not much but it was a good start for a beginner. Just thought I would warn you. Good luck, hope you find a good one and am luckier than I was!
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    • Profile picture of the author SUPER Louie
      Originally Posted by pex7 View Post

      mail chimp is free up to a certain amount of subscribers.
      Beware of MailChimp. They don't allow affiliate links.

      Another problem with MailChimp is that the free version doesn't allow you to use an autoresponder.

      I use Imnica Mail personally because there are many good reviews about it, and it has mostly the full features of a paid autoresponder. It's cheaper too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by lukedidit View Post

    I looked at mailchimp, but then heard they don't allow IM?
    That isn't quite true. Well, it's true-ish but a bit of an exaggeration.

    They don't allow affiliate marketing (that means they don't allow their clients to do any affiliate marketing even if they don't use Mailchimp to do so, as explained here).

    They also don't allow a whole load of other stuff to be promoted, including, I think, anything to do with "make money online", and so on ... it's all set out in their terms of service, which are only 1 page and well worth reading (for those with a strong stomach).

    Some of the other "free autoresponders" are in fact well monetised (from their perspective) by the sending out of their promotional stuff to the people on your lists, accompanying your emails. Im my opinion, that's hopeless, unprofessional and extremely unpleasant, and I know that if I tried to use an autoresponder like that, list-building would become very difficult for me, and my open-rates would of course plummet. So these, for me, are to be avoided like the plague.

    Before committing yourself to using any autoresponder, it's a good move to subscribe to your own intended lists there under 2 or 3 different email addresses, see if what's sent out reaches your in-box, what it looks like, whether spam accompanies it, whether it has ads for "try our free service" attached to every message (horribly unprofessional, of course), and so on.

    Use the forum's search function, be assiduous in looking at what people say; be very put off by comments like "I can see why it's free" and so on.

    This is your business's primary asset that you're talking about. Who has custody of it is crucially important to your long-term income.

    Take no chances: this is one of those rare "core issues" which actually determine "who succeeds and who fails".

    GetResponse has a 30-day free trial offer and low prices after that.

    Aweber charges only $1 for the first month and then $19 per month after that, giving you 2 months to make your first $20, effectively.

    Those two have a strong and long-established reputation for successfully getting clients' emails into their subscribers' in-boxes.

    Personally, I would strongly advise you to stay well away from completely "free autoresponders" for all the reasons explained in this post: http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post4171256

    Just my perspective.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      That isn't quite true. Well, it's true-ish but a bit of an exaggeration.

      They don't allow affiliate marketing (that means they don't allow their clients to do any affiliate marketing even if they don't use Mailchimp to do so, as explained here).

      They also don't allow a whole load of other stuff to be promoted, including, I think, anything to do with "make money online", and so on ... it's all set out in their terms of service, which are only 1 page and well worth reading (for those with a strong stomach).
      Going with MailChimp is email marketing suicide... they're more designed for large corporations, and non-profits...

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Some of the other "free autoresponders" are in fact well monetised (from their perspective) by the sending out of their promotional stuff to the people on your lists, accompanying your emails. Im my opinion, that's hopeless, unprofessional and extremely unpleasant, and I know that if I tried to use an autoresponder like that, list-building would become very difficult for me, and my open-rates would of course plummet. So these, for me, are to be avoided like the plague.
      Nice job trying to scare people... but this isn't based in reality.

      Unless you can prove otherwise, this is really hitting below the belt Alexa.

      I don't know of ANY free autoresponder that has EVER send promotional stuff to the people on your own list. Maybe at some point this happened, but going back as far as I've been keeping track (which would be since 2003) I've never seen that happen... not even once.

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Before committing yourself to using any autoresponder, it's a good move to subscribe to your own intended lists there under 2 or 3 different email addresses, see if what's sent out reaches your in-box, what it looks like, whether spam accompanies it, whether it has ads for "try our free service" attached to every message (horribly unprofessional, of course), and so on.
      Yes, please do this... see what hits your inbox. I think you'll be surprised to see that some of the paid services often recommended on this forum actually have far worse delivery rates than some of the free services mentioned.

      It's a matter of management more than anything else... so please, do this test.

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Use the forum's search function, be assiduous in looking at what people say; be very put off by comments like "I can see why it's free" and so on.

      GetResponse doesn't charge for the first 100 subscribers on your list, however long it takes you to get "bigger" than that.
      You're also put on a lesser IP range, with worse delivery rates...

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Aweber charges only $1 for the first month and then $19 per month after that, giving you 2 months to make your first $20, effectively.
      Otherwise known as $240 a year... even if you never manage to get a single subscriber on your lists. And, as many have mentioned on this forum, it can take a LONG time before you figure out what works, and what doesn't...

      Why waste your money while you're still learning?

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Those two have a strong and long-established reputation for successfully getting clients' emails into their subscribers' in-boxes.
      Can't disagree there... but it comes with a price. That's not what the starter of this thread asked... they asked for a lower cost alternative, or a free alternative.

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Personally, I would strongly advise you to stay well away from completely "free autoresponders" for all the reasons explained in this post: http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post4171256

      Just my perspective.
      Please do read that thread, including my rebuttal...

      I've noticed that Alexa conveniently links to her specific opinion, without asking you to read any further...

      I think you'll find that all her points were obliterated once you read a little further down the page.

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      • Originally Posted by Gary_The_Ace View Post

        I don't know of ANY free autoresponder that has EVER send promotional stuff to the people on your own list. Maybe at some point this happened, but going back as far as I've been keeping track (which would be since 2003) I've never seen that happen... not even once.
        I just received this promo email from a free/paid service GVO. I know the fellow who had this service over a year ago and GVO is still using his name as they pitch their latest promotions.

        Here is the email:

        From: EXPUNGED via GVO <gvo@gogvo.com> On Behalf Of gvo@gvorecruiter.com
        Reply To: gvo@gogvo.com
        To: EXPUNGED@EXPUNGED <EXPUNGED@EXPUNGED>
        Subject: OMG Lonny!
        Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:05:49 -0600
        [11:53:52 AM] Tom Prendergast: OMG.. Joel Therien, the founder of Meetcheap.com
        has truly lost his mind!

        He despite having conference rooms at 1/10th the price
        of Gotomeeting and Webex, he just announced that you
        can now get conference rooms for $19.97 per YEAR!

        Yes NOT per month but PER YEAR.. it is a 3 day opening
        firesale!

        Go get your conference room for $19.97 per year
        below!

        htt.p://www.meetcheap.com/firesale.php?id=XXXXXXXX

        This is truly an incredible deal so act now!

        --Lonny

        P.S. You know webinars is the BEST way to convert
        prospects into buyers, go and get your webinar room
        for less than $20.00 per year!!

        htt.p://www.meetcheap.com/firesale.php?id=XXXXXXXX

        --Lonny
        The autoresponder business is very competitive and cutthroat. Since I run one (since 1998) I will not go further with this. But just thought I would share that what is promised and what is delivered is always up for interpretation.

        Rarely does one owner of an autoresponder system have many nice things to say about the others.
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Everett
      Hey we are usually on a tight budget when we start online but really don't go down the road of free Autoresponders. Here's why.. presumably you are in this business for the long term.

      1) Free often (not always) indicates less features and possibly less reliabledeliverability.

      2) Free often doesn't come with reliable customer service

      3) As your business grows, you may want to move your list to somewhere like Aweberit, and it's nigh impossible to export a list of say 500 email addresses from say Mailchimp to Aweber.

      4) Free tools, how do your potential marketing JV partners view them, especially if they themselves are using paid tools, such as Aweber etc..

      Think big from day 1..





      Originally Posted by mr.d View Post

      Do not us any free solution, they are all crap in my opinion.
      Aweber is the best out there and if i am not wrong you do get the first month
      for just $1! so if you do your stuff the right way, after a month the $19 will not
      be an issue anymore!
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  • Profile picture of the author luckyshah290
    I am using ListWire.com .. They are Free and have been in business for a while ..

    I think you should try them ...
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    I wonder why none recommends TrafficWave...
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  • Profile picture of the author sriram rajan
    Your list is yor most important IM asset, so pease start out with getresponse {you can avoid paying till you build a good list of 100 }, aweber {the biggest and best (well dunno :-))} and icontact is also pretty popular... As if and when you do get succesful and have more than a handful of emails then getting your list to resubscribe when you switch providers is not a good thing ...esp with all the information thrown at us every day and you might loose a few of your valuable customers down the road... treat is as cost of doing business and you should be golden.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gabby12
      Try imnica, the have a free plan for up to 1,000 members. Double optin only(not a bad thing) and footer logo.
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  • Profile picture of the author William Prawira
    I've tried almost all of the autoresponders listed above.
    Here is my personal opinion.

    Mailchimp : true, they don't allow Affiliate Marketing or Internet marketer. They don't allow you to send out emails regarding earn money from home, or anything else that have connection to earning money online. Best free autoresponder provider according to me.
    My account got banned after using them for one month. Luckily, they do show some good intention as they allow me to retrieve my list after my account being banned.

    Icontact & Aweber : both of them are good. Fast delivery, good features, but a bit expensive for beginners

    ImnicaMail : free(up to 1000 subscriber). Still using it, but then the time of deliver is not so good. Sometime my mail took hours before reaching my subscribers mailbox.

    In my opinion, why not use free mail such as ImnicaMail, and improve your site, offers, and sales letter, and after that, switch to a better autoresponder after you see some money rolling in.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    With the free autoresponders, you'll usually get what you pay for. With that being said, you might as well sign up to Aweber or Getresponse... or Prosender - i believe created by Mike Filsaime.
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      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      With the free autoresponders, you'll usually get what you pay for.
      That - and everything else in life.

      Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author hotwebwords
    Not to beat this point to death, but free is not a good idea for auto responders. You really want Aweber. You can do something I did in my early days, however, if you can't grab Aweber right now. (Just remember the first month is only $1!)

    Get a dedicated gmail account. Setup a simple form with Google Docs for name and email. Embed this form on your site. In gmail, create a vacation responder that asks them to add a second dedicated email to their address book. That second email you manually send messages through. The form fills into a spreadsheet. You have to manually manage your list, but it tends to motivate you to afford Aweber.

    Maybe my silly suggestion can help you. Be careful not to spam with it of you try it out. Good luck with list-building :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author AlenGeorgeson
    You can also use Mailchimp. It's free up to 500 subscribers and then the price is similar to aweber.

    If you have some money to invest though, I'd go for Aweber as it is the industry standard, and it has more functions.

    Hope that helps.

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Dann Vicker
    I've heard of listwire autoresponder, but you'll get less control over your database than with the top autoreponders like aweber and getresponse.

    Another cheap network you may want to look into is Trafficwave. I think its $20 monthly for unlimited subscribers.

    But in all these, you should understand that you should never undercut on your autoresponder, as this is the livewire of your business
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    • Profile picture of the author BeechHill
      A good and reliable autoresponder is probably one, if not the most, important tools you'll need to succeed in internet marketing. So, this is not the place to really scrimp. And by good, I mean, a service that gets the mail delivered.

      Right now, I would go with Get Response. They have a 15% discount special running till Feb 6th on all their plans. For $12.75/mo up to 1,000 subscribers you get a first rate service.
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        Have you looked at this option from a fellow Warrior?
        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-per-year.html

        You have to be a paid member to take advantage of the program but I just bought it and have been impressed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
      Originally Posted by Dann Vicker View Post

      I've heard of listwire autoresponder, but you'll get less control over your database than with the top autoreponders like aweber and getresponse.
      I have no idea what this means... you have full control with ListWire, just like you do with anyone else.

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  • Profile picture of the author paul_1
    I say list wire is good for starters... but when you can afford it --get aweber or getresponse...
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
      Originally Posted by paul_1 View Post

      I say list wire is good for starters... but when you can afford it --get aweber or getresponse...
      Bingo...

      If you're just starting out, it could take you months to figure out what you're doing... if not longer. Once you're seeing results, either stick with us, or don't. But, there's no point in losing money while you're learning....

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  • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
    The short answer to your question is... ListWire.

    It's the best free autoresponder, and it's not even close...

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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Having read the earlier thread, I don't think Alexa is personally trying to make you look bad Gary (unless there's some sort of history lol) it seems to be her rather strong opinion. Most times I would agree with her - paid is better. EXCEPT when it comes to Listwire. I've had no problems getting mail through when I test messages, and it is quick. Quicker than Imnica, though they have been improving. I was with Imnica and due to other things I'm doing dropped out and went back to you. And am staying with you. If you're new or just feeling like trimming the budget a bit, then ListWire is THE ONLY free autoresponder I'd recommend.

    Figure out what works, then, once you know, decide if it is worth paying more and more as you grow your list or sticking with something that won't cost no matter how big your list grows. I know which way I'm going.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
      Originally Posted by cypherslock View Post

      Having read the earlier thread, I don't think Alexa is personally trying to make you look bad Gary (unless there's some sort of history lol)
      That's kind of the problem... there is.

      I challenge you to find a thread where in which List Wire is mentioned, and Alexa doesn't comment. I'm not sure what the deal is, but whatever...

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  • Profile picture of the author mwashington
    Years ago I started out with free email marketing then final went to a stand alone email systme. Both gave some problems. The first free email marketing bothered me over time cause I keep getting advisement up on each email. Plus there was some disadvantages to this tiype of mailing because getting something free there is quiet abit of benefits left out that were very important in connecting the clients and creating a circle of influence with each of them. Then the ones I paid for as my list grew so did my payout. I have a signature and connect with me. After about 12plus years I think I have finally figured it out and would be glad to help you.
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  • Does anyone know if GVO sends to your subscribers?
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    I started using imnica last week but I don't know what happened to my account. It seems my account got disabled after I manually added my customers list through my optin form....Support still not responding...
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    um. you can't do that. You can have support import your list, but what you did there just broke the rules.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adie
      Originally Posted by cypherslock View Post

      um. you can't do that. You can have support import your list, but what you did there just broke the rules.
      ah, no wonder why.. anyway, thanks. I wasn't aware..
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  • Profile picture of the author jay walters
    getresponse is another alternative.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Another option that I use and is fast and inexpensive is Send Reach
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    • Profile picture of the author NormanHalim
      Maybe you can try Emelmatik. They offer 365 days free trial.
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    • Profile picture of the author Awesomeinside
      Thanks for the alternatives.

      Do you have experience with the deliverability of listwire, trafficwave and Emelmatik these days? (I read some reviews beside they were a bit old (from 2012-2013)

      thanks a lot!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Roberts
    I like Imnica - never had a problem with support. You can use single optin for $3 per month. Only issue I have found is that they are not supported by some of the done-for-you services like InstaPage. Also they don't integrate with PayPal. But v good value and I have found them reliable.
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  • Profile picture of the author travisl
    I have a GREAT Free alternative that I use.

    I use the MailPoet wordpress plugin with Mandrill SMTP.

    Usually the wordpress plugin sends from your website hosting server, which has no chance of EVER hitting a subscribers inbox. Which makes it suck. But I use Mandrill to send my emails, which is Mailchimp's service. Using this makes my emails hit the inbox almost all the time (in gmail it doesn't even always go to the promotions tab)

    Mandrill is Free for 12K emails a month, and after that it's only $0.20 per 1000.

    This way I can setup automation right from the start, and it's nice to start building a list right in the WP dashboard (not even mailchimp's free plan lets you do that.)

    Mailpoet has pretty much all of the bells and whistles that you need, it still tracks open rates, unsubscribers, can do single or double opt in etc.

    The Limits
    Mailpoet allows you to have 2,000 subscribers before you have to start paying a Yearly subscription (which is tiny compared to other autoresponders.) It is hackable, but the point here is, is that if you have built your list up to 2,000 subscribers you should already be making some decent income and then you can afford the expenses. No need to be unethical.

    Mandrill, like I mentioned you can send 12K per month for free. This means that if you have 1,000 subscribers, you can send them 12 newsletters per month for free. After that, it is $0.20 per 1000 that you send, so that means that if you were to send 13 newsletters per month you would pay 20 cents and so on

    The Verdict
    This is the perfect way to get started. Hands down. I've tried listwire. It's no good, they give YOUR subscribers ads, and serve up other people OTO's when anyone subscribes to your list. I've tried Mailchimp free. It's alright, but you can't even setup an autoresponder on the free plan. All other ones you have to pay for right from the start.

    This way, you can make decent money from your list before you have to start paying. And when you DO start paying, it's cheaper than most alternatives at scale.
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    • Profile picture of the author 1byte
      Originally Posted by travisl View Post

      I have a GREAT Free alternative that I use.

      I use the MailPoet wordpress plugin with Mandrill SMTP.
      Thanks for the tip on MailPoet and Mandrill. I'm going to check it out...
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    what about rapid list
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