Googleshadow and Three PPC Keywords

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Hi,

I don't understand why this weir googleshadows folk, with merely 3 kws per campaign, yet still can make tonnes of money.

Also I don't get it is that why this googleshadow folk didn't take these 3 highly profitable kws to building a minisite for organic traffic? If I were him, I will build a minisite, QUICKLY get some one-way back links from various high PR sites to my own site, and enjoy my days without the hassle of PPC stuff.

One last thing...why NON of the keyword webppcspy tool out there be able to picking him up (i.e. I mean his highly profitable 3-kw campaigns) for so long?

Anyway I will get googleshadow once it is made available and use it in conjunction with my minisite backlinking strategy. However, the MAIN difficulty of my strategy is to to be able to find tonnes of **high PR** websites that would allow me for placing back links to my own minisites.

Can somebody also comment on Googleshadow for weather or not it is potentially suitable for newbies who usually haven't got TONNES of money to burn in PPC campaigns?

Regards,

ebuyer123
#googleshadow #keywords #ppc
  • Hey Ebuyer, was about to make a post myself.. since I hadn't seen any threads about it, and I'm abit surprised to be honest as it's looking like a huge launch and it is coming out TOMMOROW lol...

    Yeah, I'd say it was very newbie friendly.

    Example: For my normal PPC campaigns I'd spend between 400 and 500 dollars to see if it was profitable. Google Shadow's a bit different largely due to having no landing page and only a handfull of keywords.

    I think with the Shadow strategy you should expect to spend about $50 per product to see if it's profitable or not.

    And yeah I know... The whole concept is crazy. You just have to see it for yourself, I got a brief look at the JV copy and it really is a system like nothing I've seen before... Whether it works or not remains to be seen but you can't deny the proof on the pre launch video.

    You can read my full review on my website, in my sig.
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    • Profile picture of the author ebuyer123
      Yes, Chris's ebooks are almost ALWAYS newbie friendly as it is where most of his profit come from...lol

      It is always a big launch and super-hype pre-launch for Chris's product anyway. By the way, not sure how much it will cost me to get one, I mean the pricess is this "$$" or this "$$$" or even this "$$$$"?

      Thanks for the info anyway.

      Regards,

      ebuyer123
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  • Profile picture of the author stevecl
    Ebuyer123,

    This should help


    And no its not my video...

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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    Originally Posted by ebuyer123 View Post

    Hi,

    I don't understand why this weir googleshadows folk, with merely 3 kws per campaign, yet still can make tonnes of money.
    I'll answer this for you since Tim is a friend of mine and I know how his business operates.

    VOLUME.

    Tim has put about 30,000 ads out there and he works of making about $3 per month profit from each ad written win or lose. [edit this could be $5 per month per ad group]

    Originally Posted by ebuyer123 View Post

    Also I don't get it is that why this googleshadow folk didn't take these 3 highly profitable kws to building a minisite for organic traffic? If I were him, I will build a minisite, QUICKLY get some one-way back links from various high PR sites to my own site, and enjoy my days without the hassle of PPC stuff.
    Because that involves work.

    Instead of doing all that work Tim just makes another few hundred ad tests. He has outsources writeing ads to someone so his only job is to check stats and make decsions on bidding and deleting. He has the MOST hassle free existance. No web hosting, no server crashes, no extra stuff.

    Yes he could make more money and he will make more money when he optimizes his business. In his book he mentions he is a little lazy. This is natural since you only need $X million dollars to survive. He is living an excellent lifestyle why stuff it up?

    Originally Posted by ebuyer123 View Post

    One last thing...why NON of the keyword webppcspy tool out there be able to picking him up (i.e. I mean his highly profitable 3-kw campaigns) for so long?
    It is harder to pick up direct linking than unique URL's. It would be very hard to spy on 30,000 campaigns......




    Originally Posted by ebuyer123 View Post

    Anyway I will get googleshadow once it is made available and use it in conjunction with my minisite backlinking strategy. However, the MAIN difficulty of my strategy is to to be able to find tonnes of **high PR** websites that would allow me for placing back links to my own minisites.
    You are kind of missing the point of the program. You can use it to link to your own sites if you want but the real advantage of this is the speed in which you can test markets for profit potential.


    Originally Posted by ebuyer123 View Post

    Can somebody also comment on Googleshadow for weather or not it is potentially suitable for newbies who usually haven't got TONNES of money to burn in PPC campaigns?

    Regards,

    ebuyer123
    Yes. Tim does give away his testing criteria and bidding strategies. If you have a low budget then you have to cut campaigns early and lower your bids early.

    Be prepared to run at LEAST 100 campaigns to get enough winners to see potential. This is not a 5 crank wonder.
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    • Profile picture of the author UKTim29
      Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

      Tim has about 30,000 ads out there and he works of making about $2 - $3 per month profit from each ad.
      Sounds like a cashflow nightmare for a newbie!
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      • Profile picture of the author my_addict_mind
        google cash
        campaign blasting
        commission blueprint
        arbitrage conspiracy

        and now googleshadow
        what else is new?
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        • Profile picture of the author Anup Mahajan
          I am a bit concerned about the type of Affiliate Program that this guy promotes! In the video & emails, it is repeatedly stressed that this guy ignores 99% of affiliate programs. Yet he makes truck loads of money. Now I have another info from this thread that he has 30,000 ads. So 30,000 ads for just 1% of affiliate programs that are available!

          Anyone has any idea, what type of programs he promotes?

          Regards,
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          • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
            Originally Posted by anup.mahajan View Post

            I am a bit concerned about the type of Affiliate Program that this guy promotes! In the video & emails, it is repeatedly stressed that this guy ignores 99% of affiliate programs. Yet he makes truck loads of money. Now I have another info from this thread that he has 30,000 ads. So 30,000 ads for just 1% of affiliate programs that are available!

            Anyone has any idea, what type of programs he promotes?

            Regards,
            Anup

            He will have a go at promoting anything. There are many independent affiliate programs out there from shoes, hosting, insurance, education, travel, food etc....


            Look at shareasale, CJ etc... Amazon for the amount of products available if you did not want to promote clickbank.

            He is the top affiliate for several IM products as well because he has tested everything.
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            • Profile picture of the author Anup Mahajan
              Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

              He will have a go at promoting anything. There are many independent affiliate programs out there from shoes, hosting, insurance, education, travel, food etc....


              Look at shareasale, CJ etc... Amazon for the amount of products available if you did not want to promote clickbank.

              He is the top affiliate for several IM products as well because he has tested everything.
              Thanks for the info..

              Yeah I imagined he cannot do it simply by promoting digital products. Physical products, even though they have lower commissions, can sell in huge volumes and bring good affiliate checks.. But I am surprised that he is a top affiliate for IM products by using direct linking, without a list or website :rolleyes:

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              • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
                Originally Posted by anup.mahajan View Post

                Thanks for the info..

                Yeah I imagined he cannot do it simply by promoting digital products. Physical products, even though they have lower commissions, can sell in huge volumes and bring good affiliate checks.. But I am surprised that he is a top affiliate for IM products by using direct linking, without a list or website :rolleyes:

                Regards,
                Anup
                I am not surprised. I often direct link to test markets before building blogs or pre-sells. The IM market has new stuff coming out all the time and is easy to find big gaps.

                There are plenty of people iframing almost every popular product on clickbank too.
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                • Profile picture of the author jbirdmanjr
                  hey, whats iframing?
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      • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
        Originally Posted by UKTim29 View Post

        Sounds like a cashflow nightmare for a newbie!
        It is scalable.

        He stops his losses with a clever bidding strategy. He also suggests ways newbies can limit exposure.

        He only bids on exact and phrase most of the time and he has a strict cutoff point for testing. It is in the ebook.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimmorris
    I just got off the phone with Tim and found out exactly what this is, exactly how he makes his money and this is AWESOME for testing markets QUICKLY -- I think I explain it quite well in an 8 minute video on youtube.com/watch?v=8b49h7KKAdQ
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    • Profile picture of the author Jays80
      looks very time consuming, Not sure to what extent it can be outsourced,
      Adding to it there are rumors around that Google may disallow Direct linking in near future,
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      • Profile picture of the author ben565
        Originally Posted by Amfire View Post

        looks very time consuming, Not sure to what extent it can be outsourced,
        Adding to it there are rumors around that Google may disallow Direct linking in near future,
        Google have dissallowed direct linking for awhile now,so not sure how this system will work with something that google does not allow
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        • Profile picture of the author papeter
          Originally Posted by ben565 View Post

          Google have dissallowed direct linking for awhile now,so not sure how this system will work with something that google does not allow
          Where does it say that Google have disallowed direct linking?
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        • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
          Originally Posted by ben565 View Post

          Google have dissallowed direct linking for awhile now,so not sure how this system will work with something that google does not allow
          It is not a huge step to add a generic domain with dynamic keyword/token landing pages. If direct linking becomes obsolete just move to the next layer (like LPGen).

          The Google Shadow tool makes setting up campaigns fast. Why stop doing something because of a rumour? Wait until it changes then adapt, as with any business.
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          • Profile picture of the author ben565
            Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

            It is not a huge step to add a generic domain with dynamic keyword/token landing pages. If direct linking becomes obsolete just move to the next layer (like LPGen).

            The Google Shadow tool makes setting up campaigns fast. Why stop doing something because of a rumour? Wait until it changes then adapt, as with any business.
            it ain't a rumor, this was taken from google adwords

            However, we monitor and don't allow the following:
            • Redirect URLs: Ads that contain URLs that automatically redirect to the parent company. ie direct linking
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            • Profile picture of the author jimmorris
              Vjack,

              Totally know where you are coming from -- and I ask myself
              that, too!

              But you know what?

              I'm gonna say this about the whole "Why would he share the
              whole thing to compete with the rest of the world?"...

              Why would Jay Stockwell do the SAME thing with his software
              Speed PPC that he created behind the scenes for himself first?

              Because he wanted to HELP OTHER MARKETERS that needed
              the SAME solution.

              You can even listen to the whole entire webinar I did with Jay
              back last July for my folks on the Anatomy of the Perfect
              PPC Campaign (and nearly 4,398 people watched this)...

              Anatomy of the Perfect PPC Campaign July 18 at 4 PM Pacific

              Furthermore...

              There are just so many products, digital products, subscriptions
              and stuff to represent out there that I don't believe this will
              even affect a little RIPPLE in the tense competition of the
              scattered number of marketplaces out there (unless you keep
              yourself confined to the IM niche).

              Here's why even a RIPPLE is overly converative.

              It's what I like to call the Law of Attrition.

              It goes like this.

              Every Tom, Dick and Harry jumps into this game.

              Let's say we have 10,000 people hop on board to buy the
              Google Shadow Software just as an example, okay?

              I think I am in place of certainty when I say that about .5% of
              the population ever really succeeds at trying something --
              and I mean REALLY succeeding.

              (30 days after people buy products, if not earlier, they realize
              the stuff requires work, a lot more mental fortitude than they
              have to push through the resistance of learning and guess
              what? They up and quit and move onto the next smashing
              product launch.)

              "Smashing Basil -- I truly love it baby -- it's making me randy
              baby. But Basil, what DOES it all mean?"

              (with a highly confused look on Austin Powers face) ;D

              And you see why the circle of never ending product launches
              will never quit? The Inner Circle knows this and they prey
              on it like having the mightiest hawk vision.

              There is SO MUCH distraction and confusion in the marketplace
              created by everyone trying to grab their share of the market,
              the larger figures know that there will be constantly those
              searching for the "NO WORK" Magic ATM Button Program.

              So when someone with a simple plan comes forward like Tim and
              is so cut and dry, it's easy to dismiss the simplicity of it all.

              I started here on the net in early 2001 with Secrets2Success.com,
              yup -- I'll admit -- I was a sucker too! (what scam that was,
              basically a chain letter, but that shows what part of the
              evolutionary cycle I was in.

              So I am YET to find the magic button on the keyboard or on
              the mouse click that sends money shooting out of my computer.

              And just so you know -- and I will readily admit this in my own
              patterns -- I have now since July 08 represented 3 different PPC
              products (I think Jim is trying to say something about himself
              and trying compensate for the fact that he's really strong in
              Organic Search Positioning, but truly lame in PPC positioning).

              And that's exactly why I don't only represent, I am actually
              using this stuff in my business (and why I am increasingly and
              alarmingly selective now who I deal with as I've been abused
              and taken advantage of by internet marketers who pulled drive
              bys on me!)

              Back to the lecture at hand with the whole ATTRITION thing.

              There will be a certain number of folks who have a mediocre
              or fair share of success that is measurable, but it's NOT break-
              through success. ($500 - $1000 a month).

              These kind of people either stay at this success level or they
              begin to get aware of what they are actually doing and listening
              to the people that they are modeling, maybe get some private
              mentoring and then move up to the next level. There is this
              thing that happens in every arena, even with athletes, that is
              call "Plateauing" where you get to a certain level of skill until
              you require someone with a much great level of skill to pull
              you up a notch. (THIS IS WHY MODELING IS KEY FOLKS. In
              other words, WATCH who you are modeling!) Okay, so...

              Some stick with it and end up having breakthroughs by making
              clear distinctions on what works and what doesn't (and this
              requires testing and watching your stats -- okay -- so perhaps
              you have to become a stats freak)

              So let's just say conservatively speaking that we have 2% of
              the 10,000 folks.

              Somebody help me with the math here.

              We've got like 200 people that are truly doing this STILL like a
              month, two months and three months later.

              So you CAN clutter your mind with all these limitations and all these
              barriers that will keep you from taking action and actually committing
              to a SPECIFIC course of action that actually is a target.

              I'm telling you Vjack that your issue is NOT this or that and it's
              not ALL the people that will have this tool (that's ALL in your mind),
              because when you apply ATTRITION to the calculation, you are
              simply removing yourself from the game as a result of that belief
              you are somehow holding onto (and I'm not going to try and relieve
              you of it because it may be dear to you -- that belief).

              But again -- I'm not here to psycho-analyze you, but I believe there
              are deeper issues that are holding you back and if you and I have ONE
              phone conversation, we can eliminate the FEAR, that OBSTACLE that
              keeps finding some REASON NOT to commit or attach to any one thing
              that could have a potential alarmingly positive outcome.

              I mean -- all you have to do is go ahead and pick up the phone and
              dial one of my main numbers:

              1-800-624-8493
              1-760-208-2111

              (I'll be heading to Tahoe tomorrow -- so I can't promise I'll be able to
              get back in touch with you until next Wednesday, but I think with a
              call or two, you could be well and on your way to a limitless future
              that doesn't hold you back.)

              Most people simply need to let go of some limiting belief or deal
              with a current obstacle that is constantly pinning them in a war
              of words here or there why some THING can't work and won't work
              and staying devout to that position until you die of simply a broken
              heart because you didn't attain your dreams and Social Security
              simply couldn't withstand the Baby Boomer generation (so a heart
              attack was imminent).

              I've seen lives transformed on the other side of catching people as
              they walked across fire on the first day of a 4-Day Tony Robbins
              event where I crewed and volunteered 5 days of my life just for
              the cause of helping people transform their lives (no personal
              agenda or motive at all - but I actually found out some interesting
              marketing things within the Robbins organization as a result of
              crewing and you can imagine that I'll be doing that again one
              day to gather some further intel). But let me say this about
              the Tony Robbins experience (and I'm sure other Warriors can
              vouch for it...

              It was THE MOST profound experience I can even say and it's
              something I would highly recommend. I overcame my own limitations
              and fear of speaking in front of crowd and so many limiting
              thoughts that truly broke me from the rutt I was in from working
              this online rag and being stuck at $20k - $30k range (yeah,
              don't rake me over the coals because I aint got it so bad). I
              did my TIME and my 4 year bachelor's sentence and am here to
              help!

              See -- we all seem to not realize that we have what are called
              Guidance Systems in us. And if we point ourselves at a target,
              more often than not, our brains are developed in such a way as
              to go and follow the mission right straight to that target (until
              it's completed).

              Common mistake when people end up reaching the first goal...

              What folks do (and I did this same thing too), I achieved my first
              goal, but I forgot to set a NEW goal (dufous me). Somebody
              find me a hammer.

              So while Personal Power 2 (listening to it about 10 different times
              over the course of 2 years while driving back and forth to my
              regular Just Over Broke JOB) that was a good series that got me
              to a CERTAIN level, but the next level had to be achieved with a
              LIVE UPW event and I was lucky enough to be in a position financially
              to sit about 7 feet (2 rows) from the massive figure known as Tony.

              (The dude is awesome and the passion and enthusiasm he generates
              on stage is dynamic and I've seen nothing else like it anywhere
              on the planet. If PT Barnum were alive today, he would marvel
              in that man's magnificence and brilliance in the marketing and
              movement Tony Robbins has created around the world.)

              I told my pro copywriter this tonight on the phone. I believe in the
              law of attraction, and I use it on a daily basis to draw things into
              me (I'm going beyond the Secret here folks). So I told him...

              "Be careful what you ask for because you just might get it if you
              continue to visualize it on a daily basis in your mind's eye."

              You get what you concentrate on. (I believe that firmly and saw
              this in the way my mother has continued down a road of deeper
              and deeper depression because she decides to concentrate on
              the actual DARK stuff in life. Point made? Let's continue.)

              If you believe you are up against an impermeable object or a MASS
              of competition and you have no clue how to strategically muscle
              yourself and put yourself OUT ABOVE THE REST, it's time to go back
              to the planning board and find out a way to reposition yourself in
              your marketplace.

              But do it strategically with the thought of Pre-Eminence in your mind
              from the mind of Jay Abraham.

              The habit of thinking strategically and growing that muscle with clear
              precise steps to achieve market dominance puts you in the place
              where MOST will never be because they are stuck in the lullaby of
              trying to STILL figure out which way they should head.

              Unfortunately, WE did not come with a manual NOR a map that tells
              us which way to go. And this huge soup of information out here
              with people yelling over here and people yelling over there does
              NOT help the situation for you, me and the newbie just now coming
              on the net.

              Somebody just stop the madness and the excess stimulii from bombarding
              me -- ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhh!

              ;D

              When you apply strategic thinking to a situation and begin mind-mapping
              it, you begin to uncover flaws and soft spots in what you think would
              make a good business model in whatever marketplace you decide to enter.

              This is good because once you think out the steps, you can then begin
              to find a way to strengthen the potholes that lay in your plan and
              foresee potential ramifications that may play out in the future.

              Flexing your thinking cap and really applying probing questions to a
              given matter will allow you to look at the matter in different shades
              and perspectives and increase your strategic thinking powers.

              This is the talent -- I can guarantee -- and I haven't even asked
              Tim Houston this question -- that both he has and it's something I
              am constantly using every day (even when I take a shower in the
              morning time).

              I am engrossed in my business and it's ALL consuming ... ;D

              I have a toolset up in my brain that guides me through this forest
              and jungle and the only thing I use to navigate through the mess
              is my GUT INSTINCT. I've found to trust in it and quite frankly,
              now, I never doubt it.

              GUT INSTINCT, once you tune into the radio frequency of your
              own gut, it will allow you to make SPLIT SECOND decisions
              that will slice, dice and quite dramatically paralyze your competition.

              When you can ACT QUICK, you can stun, mame and literally cripple
              opponents. (Please read Leadership Secrets of Attila the Hun)

              Amazon.com: Leadership Secrets of Attila the Hun:...Amazon.com: Leadership Secrets of Attila the Hun:...
              Bottom line, tools are an ends to a mean. If you got no skill to
              begin with, a tool will do you no good. It, the TOOL, is only as
              good as the Master that crafted the tool to begin with.

              You don't hand a razor sharp Samurai Sword to a man or woman
              who has never touched it.

              You don't send a 2nd year pre-med student in to perform even
              an appendectomy, because that med student is NOT a doctor.

              You don't see any 1st year mechanic with just a simple certification
              working on BMWs right away. Okay, so maybe that was a bad
              example, but you get the point.

              If you are even considering Google Shadow, or any tool, it's
              the actual process of what the tool does that you must
              commit yourself to as those will be your daily duties that must
              become part of your daily routine.

              A lot of this stuff is click, click, click, but it's the critical thinking
              part, the decision making skills, the daily habitual disciplines that
              are executed perfectly which separates the weak from the strong.

              I could go on and on with this stuff, but it would turn into a complete
              mind conditioning seminar over the course of 6 days that would end up
              costing you a mortgage payment... ;D
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            • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
              Originally Posted by ben565 View Post

              it ain't a rumor, this was taken from google adwords

              However, we monitor and don't allow the following:
              • Redirect URLs: Ads that contain URLs that automatically redirect to the parent company. ie direct linking
              I read the Google statement above to mean that they do not want a domain to automatically re-direct.

              I think you are confusing re-directs with what Tim calls direct linking.

              As long as your display URL and the END destination URL are the same then it is fine. It is working fine.
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              • Profile picture of the author SarahMcHarry
                Newbies can lose a lot of money getting into p*ssing contests with the "big boys". Can you tell I've been p*ssed on more than a few times? This is something you can't teach how to avoid in a book... you actually have to get your hands dirty before it really sinks in. This is a business and its a business that is especially cut-throat.
                I've bought this product and I'm also fairly experienced with Google PPC. The tragedy is that Tim makes out that direct linking is just a matter of quantity rather than quality. OK, you may find a few winners after putting up 1,000s of ads but you will have lost a lot of money in the process. If you do it the way it's taught in the ebook Google will slap most of your campaigns and you will end up demoralised and broke.

                The Google Shadow forum is already littered with newbies wailing about how to do it. I really feel their pain.

                The truth is that you can do direct linking with Google, BUT you have to choose an offer that has a landing page (and supporting website) that will pass G's quality criteria, AND you have to do keyword research so that your ads and keywords are optimized to the landing page. This is the opposite of what is taught in Google Shadow.

                It's not good enough.

                Sarah
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                • Profile picture of the author ebuyer123
                  Originally Posted by SarahMcHarry View Post

                  The Google Shadow forum is already littered with newbies wailing about how to do it. I really feel their pain. Sarah
                  Not sure it is pain or gain for them, but for sure GoogleShadow is not a 'One-Size-Fit-All' I.M biz tool that can be well integrated into everybody's existing business model.

                  IMO, it's no doubt about that most of those newbies will become parts of the google graveyard statistics...


                  ebuyer123
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                  • Profile picture of the author Berkinb
                    Greetings,

                    I bought Googleshadow four days ago. I can not comment on the software since I did not use it. I didn't use it because the PDF file which was supposed to teach me the system was utterly and totally useless in my opinion. This kind of marketing program may work for some people who have the budget to support it; however, you definitely do not need to pay $67 a month for it. For creating and managing multiple adgroups, you can easily use Adword's own editor, which I believe basically does what this software does.

                    So, just my two cents... and your $67
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                    • Profile picture of the author ebuyer123
                      Originally Posted by Berkinb View Post

                      This kind of marketing program may work for some people who have the budget to support it; however, you definitely do not need to pay $67 a month for it. For creating and managing multiple adgroups, you can easily use Adword's own editor,....
                      Well...a message from someone who is already a member of googleshadows. By the way AFFILIATE PROJECT-X was the 1st adwords ebook I had bought when I started out online, and it was helping me a lot at the time. Thanks Chris..

                      I afraid this time Chris won't be getting much THANKS from the newbies with his latest adwords tactics the googleshadow $67 membership club.

                      Anyway, he is again easily racking in a 6-digit $ profit. I say easily becasue he is mainly dealing with newbies, not another experienced online marketers like Jim M. and James Schramko. Well done, Chris!

                      ebuyer123
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                      • Profile picture of the author Berkinb
                        Actually from someone who has already got a refund that is

                        Originally Posted by ebuyer123 View Post

                        Well...a message from someone who is already a member of googleshadows. By the way AFFILIATE PROJECT-X was the 1st adwords ebook I had bought when I started out online, and it was helping me a lot at the time. Thanks Chris..

                        I afraid this time Chris won't be getting much THANKS from the newbies with his latest adwords tactics the googleshadow $67 membership club.

                        Anyway, he is again easily racking in a 6-digit $ profit. I say easily becasue he is mainly dealing with newbies, not another experienced online marketers like Jim M. and James Schramko. Well done, Chris!

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              • Profile picture of the author ben565
                Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

                I read the Google statement above to mean that they do not want a domain to automatically re-direct.

                I think you are confusing re-directs with what Tim calls direct linking.

                As long as your display URL and the END destination URL are the same then it is fine. It is working fine.
                Ok,but that means unless you are the highest bidder then your ad will not show,so you will be paying so much per click just to get your ad shown as google does not allow the same url to show up more than once at the same time.
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  • Profile picture of the author bossyazid
    Very helpful this thread.....

    Thanks for the info anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author EricGiguere
      There is a simplicity to this method that is very appealing if you can afford the upfront costs. It's spawned a bit of a discussion on my blog, but I think the upshot is that if you have a few simple software tools you can automate so much of it. Start with the AdWords Editor, which lets you quickly and easily create multiple campaigns and ad groups directly from a single spreadsheet. Redirect your clicks through a tracking script that inserts a unique ClickBank TID (or does something similar for whatever aff program you're using) and stores that info in a database (along with whatever info it can capture about the click, such as which keyword was clicked on). When a sale occurs, use the aff program's notification system (ClickBank has one now, for example) to match up the TID with the keyword info. Analyze and prune....

      I can see this working if you're able to monitor things like a hawk and if you're vicious in your pruning of bad campaigns.

      Having the balls to actually do this is a different matter!

      Eric
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  • Profile picture of the author EricGiguere
    Brian, interesting review.

    I think all the pieces are there to do the automated thing you want because of the AdWords API (which lets you programmatically control your AdWords account) and the ClickBank instant notifications. Somebody needs to just glue it all together.
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    • Profile picture of the author ebuyer123
      Hi,
      Is that mean when big G disallow direct linking to be used on Adwords, GoogleShadow (GS) methodology will become a piece of IM "public domain /history"?

      I have been long not doing direct linking PPC anymore, but I do use it at various Q&A directories and obtain a good result with it..

      Besides Adwords, can we use direct linking at Yahoo or MSN?

      Anyway, as long as the ebook can teach ONE new thing (yes...just one new thing), I will go get it even though the conversion from GBP to US$ isn't great at all. After all I am 101% seriously DOING, but TRYING I.M.

      By the way, is GS not a monthly membership thing or is it just an ebook for us to buy for?? I was checking my email inbox moment ago, and it wasn't being bombaded YET by tonnes of incoming emails about GS...lol

      My present feeling with Google Shadow PPC direct linking methodology is that I will need to have a BIG enough cashflow before I can use it to the most.

      Regards

      ebuyer123
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  • Profile picture of the author EricGiguere
    Google Shadow is a monthly membership... $67/month for the book + software. There's a $47/month upsell as well for "blueprints".
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  • Profile picture of the author JayMartins
    This is just PPC Complete rebranded..

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  • Profile picture of the author papeter
    There will inevitably be saturation using this direct linking method... thousands of marketers using this software chasing the same merchant offer? Great for the merchant I think.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
      Originally Posted by papeter View Post

      There will inevitably be saturation using this direct linking method... thousands of marketers using this software chasing the same merchant offer? Great for the merchant I think.
      It's not possible to reach saturation. Think of how many individual products are available for sale online that could have a targeted ad group. Every product at Amazon, Share a sale, CJ, combined with every independent would number in the millions?

      A handful of people who apply this and actually understand what the concept is (going broad and wide whilst stop lossing campaigns for testing) will clean up.

      This is just a tool and a system - it comes down to the user and the attitude.
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      • Profile picture of the author UKTim29
        Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

        It's not possible to reach saturation. Think of how many individual products are available for sale online that could have a targeted ad group. Every product at Amazon, Share a sale, CJ, combined with every independent would number in the millions?
        Only if you include products with low search volumes that won't make any money. Type anything that actually sells into a search engine for example any product with a gravity of over 50 in Clickbank and there is saturation, same with launches & fast selling products on other networks.
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        • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
          Originally Posted by UKTim29 View Post

          Only if you include products with low search volumes that won't make any money. Type anything that actually sells into a search engine for example any product with a gravity of over 50 in Clickbank and there is saturation, same with launches & fast selling products on other networks.
          You might think so however I know differently. How do you explain why a certain top selling high Gravity clickbank seller just made a significant growth for his product? And he has a market with very broad high paying words.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommyp
    There are rumors that it will eventually be disallowed since supposedly the destination url (where you actually end up) and display url have to be the same. So, I guess that means affid.stevesms.hop.clickbank.net doesn't go with stevessupermoneysystem.com even though the hop link goes there, but I'm not sure exactly and that's just my perception so don't tke my word for it. I haven't been keeping up cause it makes no difference to me.

    But aside from that, NO. Too many people who repeat crap they hear elsewhere keep saying you can't direct link, and that's baloney. What it is is only one affiliate allowed per keyword so only one web site url per display and even then you can still do it and the two can battle it out but only one will display at a time. Actually, I'm gonna stop correcting people cause as long as they think direct linking is disallowed that's better for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Starter
    Hi Guys, this is an interesting thread but I think there's another way to look at this.

    1. Yes this system requries work, tracking and measuring
    2. Any system or business that will make good money requires 1.
    3. You could buy every ebook out there and never make a dollar

    or

    4. pick any one system and follow it, tweak it, test it, make it work then scale it up.

    If there was a genuine point and click system that just made money I'd buy a copy for everyone I know and have an early christmas!

    Come on guys, I know those sales letters "promise" easy riches but the only place success comes before work is in the dictionary ;-)

    I have made a great living taking the free info in the Stompernet going natural videos (I started two and a bit years ago), most of Frank Kern's free content and the same goes for Eben Pagan and Jeff Walker.

    You don't need to buy a system or yet another ebook. You could spend a week reading this forum, another week watching as much freeline content as you can stomach, then pick a channel to market and do some work!

    When you get started you will probably find that it is a lot easier than you first thought and when those first cheques arrive it is a great feeling (a really great feeling when you do your first 5 figure month too!).

    Oh and for the record, I have not bought the Shadow system (I came here to see if it was worth my time to buy a copy and read it), I use one of the many PPC spy type tools and let others do the expensive market testing for me (it's cheaper and faster in my experience) :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author madevine
    i still dont understand why there is a monthly cost...
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    • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
      Originally Posted by madevine View Post

      i still dont understand why there is a monthly cost...
      mo money, mo money.


      I have already had ad campaigns stopped for direct linking. But I have also had them stopped for using a redirect. Big G does what Big G wants to do.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
      Originally Posted by madevine View Post

      i still dont understand why there is a monthly cost...
      Because they can. Many services cost money, just like your hosting, autoresponder, domain name, etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author madevine
        Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

        Because they can. Many services cost money, just like your hosting, autoresponder, domain name, etc.
        Yes..."they can." Maybe i should have rephrased my question....

        What does the customer get by paying that monthly charge??? Could you not just pay the initial payment and then cancel your subscription? What do you have to gain by keeping your subscription active??

        matt
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        • Profile picture of the author Simon Ashari
          Originally Posted by madevine View Post

          Yes..."they can." Maybe i should have rephrased my question....

          What does the customer get by paying that monthly charge??? Could you not just pay the initial payment and then cancel your subscription? What do you have to gain by keeping your subscription active??

          matt
          hi madevine.

          from the sales letter it makes it out that the monthly subscription brings with it the right to use the software.

          So if someone cancels the monthly subscription then they wont be able to do what is mentioned in the ebooks.

          Now i may be wrong about that. However the sales letter makes it look like you need to be a current member to use the software.

          and since the software is the main part of the program it is definately essential. (cleaver way to keep people paying I think)

          if it works, people will keep paying.

          Hope this helps

          Simon

          p.s. if i am wrong about what ive typed above, please, anyone who knows better should correct me.
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        • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
          Originally Posted by madevine View Post

          Yes..."they can." Maybe i should have rephrased my question....

          What does the customer get by paying that monthly charge??? Could you not just pay the initial payment and then cancel your subscription? What do you have to gain by keeping your subscription active??

          matt
          Oh that is simple.

          You get to keep using it. It is a server provided membership program. No pay = no access. Treat it like aweber or other server provided tools and you are on the same track.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wendell
      Originally Posted by madevine View Post

      i still dont understand why there is a monthly cost...
      The answer to that is very simple. Because there are enough idiots (like I used to be) who will pay it.
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  • Profile picture of the author madevine
    also, it seems that many people here believe that google is going to eventually not allow direct linking......well....this is true....

    In fact, they've already started policing it. I recently got a slap on the hand for it.

    matt
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    • Profile picture of the author elliec
      I'm with you Matt....what is the monthly cost for? Use of the software methinks.....anybody know? Has anyone subscribed yet?
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  • Profile picture of the author tommyp
    Originally Posted by madevine View Post

    also, it seems that many people here believe that google is going to eventually not allow direct linking......well....this is true....

    In fact, they've already started policing it. I recently got a slap on the hand for it.

    matt
    Then people just have to get creative and build unique landing pages or find a way around it. Not everyone has been slapped yet. I still see many direct linkers.

    That may even be the reason it's being sold. Maybe they had a heads up and did this launch cause it won't work soon and they wanted to bank as soon as possible.

    Personally, if I were anyone who bought this I would get a refund and put that money toward X's Affiliate Black Book coming out, whenever - the dates have been changed. I don't know if I'll be able to get it but from my experience you should not be let down. X deserves your money more than these clowns because I'm sure he'll deliver. If you want to get the heads up when just visit: blackbooksblog.com

    Anyway, I could on and on about this but then I'd have to break the rules and get personal although I'd like to.

    Basically, there's been lying (I'm talking about the product now) the only 3 keyword bit and avoiding 99% of affiliate programs is a lie. I've been reading other forums where people are generally more honest and I believe them. And there's other lies.

    Including Chris McNeeney was talking about how he met him at some IM seminar or whatever in the video. Said he couldn't believe it. Said he finally got him to share the info and finally convinced him to release it and so now you get to get Google Shadow. Well, it looks like this info was already released under another title, as someone else here pointed out for those who missed it. So, no arm twisting or any of that junk. This has already been out under another title.

    Anyway, do what you want.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
      Originally Posted by tommyp View Post

      Then people just have to get creative and build unique landing pages or find a way around it. Not everyone has been slapped yet. I still see many direct linkers.

      That may even be the reason it's being sold. Maybe they had a heads up and did this launch cause it won't work soon and they wanted to bank as soon as possible.

      Personally, if I were anyone who bought this I would get a refund and put that money toward X's Affiliate Black Book coming out, whenever - the dates have been changed. I don't know if I'll be able to get it but from my experience you should not be let down. X deserves your money more than these clowns because I'm sure he'll deliver. If you want to get the heads up when just visit: blackbooksblog.com

      Anyway, I could on and on about this but then I'd have to break the rules and get personal although I'd like to.

      Basically, there's been lying (I'm talking about the product now) the only 3 keyword bit and avoiding 99% of affiliate programs is a lie. I've been reading other forums where people are generally more honest and I believe them. And there's other lies.

      Including Chris McNeeney was talking about how he met him at some IM seminar or whatever in the video. Said he couldn't believe it. Said he finally got him to share the info and finally convinced him to release it and so now you get to get Google Shadow. Well, it looks like this info was already released under another title, as someone else here pointed out for those who missed it. So, no arm twisting or any of that junk. This has already been out under another title.

      Anyway, do what you want.
      (Nice promo for aff x by the way)

      So what is the problem with a re-release? Did Frank Kern and Trey do that recently with a certain product?
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  • Profile picture of the author tommyp
    Yea, nice promo, sure, whatever. But I have nothing to get out of it. It's not an affiliate link, it's Xs blog. It's unsolicited and it's because I believe X puts out good stuff.

    Like I said, people can do and will do whatever they want anyway. Fine, keep Google Shadow everyone.

    And no there's no problem with rereleasing it, did I say that or are you being evasive and changing the focus? So what is the problem you have with me telling the truth?

    Maybe so, and maybe it's got to do with your own nice promos on the Google Shadow thread with your Google Shadow Review link in your sig to your Google Shadow bonus offer "by the way".
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    • Profile picture of the author mikeong88
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      • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
        Originally Posted by mikeong88 View Post

        Whatever it is ...it is all X's products.

        You and James have each put in a good word for his two products here.

        So Guys , its time to come out with your own products

        You can then reap the end benefits
        Yes there is a lot to be said for making your own products. It is the BEST way to acquire qualified clients for affiliate marketing...

        (X Is a different guy than Chris X)
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        • Profile picture of the author Jays80
          Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

          (X Is a different guy than Chris X)
          yeah most of us are aware here,


          Does this help tracking @Keyword level?
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          • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
            Originally Posted by Amfire View Post

            yeah most of us are aware here,


            Does this help tracking @Keyword level?
            Sure does,

            They list the common keyword tracking identifiers for each network.

            I just opened up yesterdays campaigns and sure enough there they were listed by search engine, adword group and keyword number. Sweet tool.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    Hey TommyP I am a fan of X as well. This thread is about Shadow.

    Yes you did mention that it has been released before and I was addressing that.

    In fact the ppccomplete application was a place holder site and not sold on mass because it was never promoted. Tim needed a hand with that.

    Chris did meet Tim at the Greenroom event.

    I'd love to see the proof of the lying you have stated. Since that could be considered slander I guess you have your butt protected right?

    I don't mind speaking out against trash talk when it is about something I have knowledge. People who know me would do that same courtesy.
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  • Profile picture of the author stovis
    There are some clips of the tools in action here:


    YouTube - GoogleShadowSystem's Channel
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    • Profile picture of the author my_addict_mind
      nothing new in this product
      rehash crap
      the only unique item here is the independent affilate program thing, if it is unique at all
      even the software is too expensive
      it could have been automated in excel and output to a file for import into adwords editor
      no need to pay monthly for this crap
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      • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
        Originally Posted by my_addict_mind View Post

        nothing new in this product
        rehash crap
        the only unique item here is the independent affilate program thing, if it is unique at all
        even the software is too expensive
        it could have been automated in excel and output to a file for import into adwords editor
        no need to pay monthly for this crap
        Others peoples success often brings out the negative in people.

        Have you bought the software?
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        • Profile picture of the author my_addict_mind
          i dont blame you for defending this product because you are obviously affiliated with a product containing rehashed ideas.

          i am not against people's success, i just don't like some people here who are the so-called gurus and their cohorts preying on IM (newbies and non-newbies).

          i don't need to buy the software. there are more much versatile software that can do ppc management for free. as i mentioned, there is excel, imacro and recently pushbuttonmarketer (not free but excellent product).

          if you think the monthly price is justified, go to any freelance site and hire a programmer who can do that in less than $100, one-time.

          Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

          Others peoples success often brings out the negative in people.

          Have you bought the software?
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          • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
            Originally Posted by my_addict_mind View Post

            i dont blame you for defending this product because you are obviously affiliated with it.

            i don't need to buy the software. there are more much versatile software that can do ppc management for free. as i mentioned, there is excel, imacro and recently pushbuttonmarketer (not free but excellent product).

            if you think the monthly price is justified, go to any freelance site and hire a programmer who can do that in less than $100, one-time.
            Sure,

            You could say the same about wordpress blogs and websites. Grab one for $100 at gurulance etc....

            I have proprietary tools for PPC and SEO etc.... so I understand this.

            There is however a time and energy cost to develop tools. Also you need to know what it does to be able to get it built.

            There is a market of people who are happy to have easy access to a tool that works and has been developed and tested.

            If it enables people to get the job done then the membership is of little consequence.
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        • Profile picture of the author UKTim29
          Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

          Others peoples success often brings out the negative in people.
          Thats like saying a product launch brings out supporters all with sigs advertising their bonus in product review sections!
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          • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
            Originally Posted by UKTim29 View Post

            Thats like saying a product launch brings out supporters all with sigs advertising their bonus in product review sections!
            Of course it does. It is called marketing. Have you ever seen a hotdog seller at a sports event?
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            • Profile picture of the author mick535
              Overall, just like any PPC product, there is a very deliberate process for Market Research. if you expect to do any, and I mean any, Google Adwords campaigns and you haven't researched your target market and product effectively, your chances of failing are already at 95% before you even begin.

              What happens most of the time is people try to do these campaigns with products or promotions they like instead of doing the legwork they need to do to truly be effective. But then again, keyword and product research ebooks don't sell as well.

              Preparation for any PPC campaign is more important than anything. Most of the time these products fail to address that properly.

              Google Shadow does an "OK" job at doing this.
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              • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
                Originally Posted by mick535 View Post

                Overall, just like any PPC product, there is a very deliberate process for Market Research. if you expect to do any, and I mean any, Google Adwords campaigns and you haven't researched your target market and product effectively, your chances of failing are already at 95% before you even begin.

                What happens most of the time is people try to do these campaigns with products or promotions they like instead of doing the legwork they need to do to truly be effective. But then again, keyword and product research ebooks don't sell as well.

                Preparation for any PPC campaign is more important than anything. Most of the time these products fail to address that properly.

                Google Shadow does an "OK" job at doing this.

                Just a thought here,

                Tims whole process IS research. He does not labour over keyword research etc... he just TRIES EVERYTHING.

                He expects a 90% failure rate. (Watch Jim Morris video for proof)

                The key is in the 10% winners. You have to be fast to switch of losing campaigns. Fail fast and don't so it a second time etc....
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  • Profile picture of the author jimmorris
    I had a quick conversation with Tim just about 18 minutes before launch to clarify a thread in here. You can find that as the 2nd vid below (which is actually a response video to YouTubers that didn't get up to You Tube). And Shramko had to comment that I needed to tone it down from the first vid, so I did so *just for him* in the second video.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
      Originally Posted by jimmorris View Post

      I had a quick conversation with Tim just about 18 minutes before launch to clarify a thread in here. You can find that as the 2nd vid below (which is actually a response video to YouTubers that didn't get up to You Tube). And Shramko had to comment that I needed to tone it down from the first vid, so I did so *just for him* in the second video.
      Jim I have never seen such amped passion - It was hilarious!! Well done man. My tongue was firmly planted in cheek!
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  • Profile picture of the author Suthan M
    Seriously, there is a lot better marketing reports that is so much better than this work. Bought it, read it and think *personally* that this wasnt really that great.

    No offense to anyone. Just saying what i think about this program.

    P/s- Didnt buy the software though, so i am not commenting on that.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
      Originally Posted by asianlunatic View Post

      Seriously, there is a lot better marketing reports that is so much better than this work. Bought it, read it and think *personally* that this wasnt really that great.

      No offense to anyone. Just saying what i think about this program.

      P/s- Didnt buy the software though, so i am not commenting on that.


      I thought membership was the software? Do they sell them apart?

      (Correct me if I am wrong please because I did not buy it I already have it).
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  • Profile picture of the author sunnyman
    I saw the interview with Tim. The approach is kind of interesting, it builds on the fact that most AdWords campaigns fail.

    Now, from the numbers Tim mentioned I get that you need deep pockets to launch such a campaign as he does.

    IF:
    - you start 1000 ads
    - 90% of ads are losers
    - You lose only $5 per ad testing before weeding those out

    Then:

    - you lose 900x$5 = $4,500 upfront
    - you are left with 100 winners, which make you on average maybe $4/month according to Tim.
    - Which means you now have an income of 100x$4/month = $400/month
    and so after about 11 months you are in the black...

    And so on....
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    • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
      Originally Posted by sunnyman View Post

      I saw the interview with Tim. The approach is kind of interesting, it builds on the fact that most AdWords campaigns fail.

      Now, from the numbers Tim mentioned I get that you need deep pockets to launch such a campaign as he does.

      IF:
      - you start 1000 ads
      - 90% of ads are losers
      - You lose only $5 per ad testing before weeding those out

      Then:

      - you lose 900x$5 = $4,500 upfront
      - you are left with 100 winners, which make you on average maybe $4/month according to Tim.
      - Which means you now have an income of 100x$4/month = $400/month
      and so after about 11 months you are in the black...

      And so on....

      A percentage of the 100 will make lot more than average. The top 10 percent will make lot more again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnson Tay
      Originally Posted by sunnyman View Post

      I saw the interview with Tim. The approach is kind of interesting, it builds on the fact that most AdWords campaigns fail.

      Now, from the numbers Tim mentioned I get that you need deep pockets to launch such a campaign as he does.

      IF:
      - you start 1000 ads
      - 90% of ads are losers
      - You lose only $5 per ad testing before weeding those out

      Then:

      - you lose 900x$5 = $4,500 upfront
      - you are left with 100 winners, which make you on average maybe $4/month according to Tim.
      - Which means you now have an income of 100x$4/month = $400/month
      and so after about 11 months you are in the black...

      And so on....
      I'm confused here...

      1000 ads? Did you mean 1000 ad groups?

      Also.. don't get what u mean by $5 per ad testing... usually, it's spoken in terms of campaign, like $5 budget per campaign (just an example although it's kinda impossible)

      Kindly enlighten
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      • Profile picture of the author mott
        So let me get this straight and see if my math is correct. You can average $5 an ad (win or lose), so if you create say 1000 ad groups in a month, you spend $5000, but you make back $10000, for the $5000 profit. That's a pretty good rate of return.

        But I guess I am concerened about a couple of things. One is what UKTim brought up, that with Clickbank there are only so many products that actually turn a profit. I can't tell from what I read if the 1000 ad groups I create would be for 1000 different items, or say 10 items with 100 ad groups each (for different keywords), or what.

        Another is that only 5% of the ads are making the money. That seems like it's a high risk to find 5% of the ads that are gold mines, and it seems like if you only did say 100 ad groups (as a start), you may not find any, or only one that is profitable. In other words, the more ads you do, the more likely you will find the winners; it's not like if you do 100 ads you'll get 5 good ones, and 200 you'll get 10, etc. You may have to do 10,000 to actualy find that 5%. Or am I wrong here?
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        • Profile picture of the author mick535
          This program doesn't focus on Clickbank products. In fact, what most people don't realize is that there is bigger money to be made through volume with smaller commission items than large commission items. Narrowing down your product focus into the "micro niche" and working .05 and .10 keywords can be more profitable in the long run if you pick the right product set.

          I made a killing in Baby Clothes last summer.

          Google Shadow doesn't focus like this, but it is just my overall opinion when it comes to using PPC and a lot of marketers getting tunnel vision and only using Clickbank products. Clickbank products also have an extremely high refund rate. You won't see that with most physical products.
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          • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
            Originally Posted by mick535 View Post

            This program doesn't focus on Clickbank products. In fact, what most people don't realize is that there is bigger money to be made through volume with smaller commission items than large commission items. Narrowing down your product focus into the "micro niche" and working .05 and .10 keywords can be more profitable in the long run if you pick the right product set.

            I made a killing in Baby Clothes last summer.

            Google Shadow doesn't focus like this, but it is just my overall opinion when it comes to using PPC and a lot of marketers getting tunnel vision and only using Clickbank products. Clickbank products also have an extremely high refund rate. You won't see that with most physical products.
            Yes!

            There are a lot of non-clickbank products out there to sell for $$$ IM'ers get sucked into the clickbank thing but there are much bigger fish out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
    According to the manual, over the course of time, Tim and a lot of his
    clients, over thousands and thousands of campaigns, you will average $5
    a month income for every ad group you create, win or lose.

    So, taking into consideration the winners and losers are sorted out under
    the guidelines laid out in the book, you can create 1,000 ad groups in a
    month and fully expect to earn $5,000 a month from those ad groups.

    The manual also says that you can create up to 100 ad groups in an hour.
    I have not used the software yet, but if that is true and the $5 per ad
    group holds true, this "COULD" be a gold mine.

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    • Profile picture of the author Johnson Tay
      Originally Posted by Scot Standke View Post

      According to the manual, over the course of time, Tim and a lot of his
      clients, over thousands and thousands of campaigns, you will average $5
      a month income for every ad group you create, win or lose.

      So, taking into consideration the winners and losers are sorted out under
      the guidelines laid out in the book, you can create 1,000 ad groups in a
      month and fully expect to earn $5,000 a month from those ad groups.

      The manual also says that you can create up to 100 ad groups in an hour.
      I have not used the software yet, but if that is true and the $5 per ad
      group holds true, this "COULD" be a gold mine.

      Scot
      Hmm... like to clarify, when you say create 1000 ad groups, do you mean keywords of 1000 different themes? Because if I create 1 keyword per ad group, and have 1000 keywords of the same theme, it is also 1000 ad groups.
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      • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
        Originally Posted by Johnson Tay View Post

        Hmm... like to clarify, when you say create 1000 ad groups, do you mean keywords of 1000 different themes? Because if I create 1 keyword per ad group, and have 1000 keywords of the same theme, it is also 1000 ad groups.
        Johnson,

        It's my understanding that if you create 1,000 "ads" in a month you can
        fully expect to earn $5,000 a month from those 1,000 ads alone. This is
        after you weed out the losers and averaged out over thousands of the
        authors own ads.

        The tools are set up so you can essentially create a single ad and it's
        ready to be uploaded to Google, Yahoo and MSN, so for every ad you
        create, you are actually creating 3.

        Again, I have not proven this for myself, this is just the way it's
        explained in the material.

        I don't want to come off looking like an expert on this tool yet because
        I'm not, but I will be soon

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  • Profile picture of the author JayMartins
    I've given this a go.. best junk ebook I've read in 2009 so far.

    Seriously, I want to hear from someone that has had success with this and isn't an affiliate for it..
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  • Profile picture of the author Vjack
    This sends my BS Meter off the charts and here's why.

    If you had a technique that was pulling in $100K a month, *WHY* would you want 1,000's of affiliates directly competing with you? How could it be possible to reconcile the profits with a course against an all out invasion your $100K a month market? Why would you hand this over to Chris X and wallpaper the IM community with your technique - for a % of the profits on a course?

    Then comes the standard argument that the market is so huge that it doesn't matter. I haven't bought the course but I'm figuring for this to work well - you'll need trademark / brand seed keywords. And finding them will mean hunting down merchants outside of the networks. There will be super affiliates and an army of affiliates contacting the same merchants and product owners looking for trademark bidding.

    An obvious question is; "how big is that market?" I don't believe it could be any way near "unlimited" if you consider the need for TM bidding. Do you think that cream is still sitting on the top?

    Suffice to say that Tim and his circle has been mining this market for years. So what do we know about IM courses? When a profitable technique hits a wall - it's time to roll out the IM Course. When you look at the facts, "HOW" could it be otherwise?

    If your technique was nocking down $100K a month - and this market was so vast, what would you do? Invite every affiliate on the planet to compete with you - or keep on going?

    PS: James Schramko's AW's course looks great.
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    • Profile picture of the author ebuyer123
      Originally Posted by Vjack View Post

      This sends my BS Meter off the charts and here's why.
      ..................
      If your technique was nocking down $100K a month - and this market was so vast, what would you do? Invite every affiliate on the planet to compete with you - or keep on going?
      LOL...!! Hope your METER is still in one piece...
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    • Profile picture of the author Rob Deviant
      Originally Posted by Vjack View Post

      This sends my BS Meter off the charts and here's why.

      If you had a technique that was pulling in $100K a month, *WHY* would you want 1,000's of affiliates directly competing with you? How could it be possible to reconcile the profits with a course against an all out invasion your $100K a month market? Why would you hand this over to Chris X and wallpaper the IM community with your technique - for a % of the profits on a course?

      Then comes the standard argument that the market is so huge that it doesn't matter. I haven't bought the course but I'm figuring for this to work well - you'll need trademark / brand seed keywords. And finding them will mean hunting down merchants outside of the networks. There will be super affiliates and an army of affiliates contacting the same merchants and product owners looking for trademark bidding.

      An obvious question is; "how big is that market?" I don't believe it could be any way near "unlimited" if you consider the need for TM bidding. Do you think that cream is still sitting on the top?

      Suffice to say that Tim and his circle has been mining this market for years. So what do we know about IM courses? When a profitable technique hits a wall - it's time to roll out the IM Course. When you look at the facts, "HOW" could it be otherwise?

      If your technique was nocking down $100K a month - and this market was so vast, what would you do? Invite every affiliate on the planet to compete with you - or keep on going?

      PS: James Schramko's AW's course looks great.


      Gurus love to proclaim their passion and desire for helping people chage their lives and suceed in this industry. Ironically it's that same passion and desire that makes them filthy rich by sucking money out of newbs.

      These "gurus" have stumbled upon a gold mine. And that gold mine is continuity memberships. They are making a killing doing it and if you have noticed all of Chris's latest products involve monthly fees and i'll guarantee the next one he comes out with will be the same.

      Shadow is what? 67$ monthly? I just got some spam in my inbox today claiming they already have 3000 members. So that's over 200K a month they bank for doing nothing and i doubt this software requires nearly that much to maintain.

      I can see how this system can work, but think i'll pass on this one. Finding winning markets really is not that hard and you don't need to pay a monthly fee to do so nor spam the "big 3" with ads in order to find them.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimmorris
    Way to handle the questions so thoroughly Shramko (dude, you are WAY awesome in here)! The deal is is this. It's not the tool, it's not the ebook, that's ALL useless without the BRAIN MATTER and getting into the thought patterns of people. Come on, I've got NLP Masters (and some of the top ones in the world all around me in my circle of influence). Mind map the dude Tim Houston -- that's what I'm going to do (but I'll do it inside my Private Secluded Mastermind - see video below). It's Tim that's the answer -- his strategies, his ad writing -- and if I haven't said this yet- - COPY is what sells and there is NO difference when writing winning ad campaigns. And I can tell you that everyone on this thread has probably MINIMAL copywriting training. Guaranteed, I can bet my life and my entire business on it. I'm NO master by any means, but I've written some pretty damn good copy in my time (and I review it in depth inside the VIP Titanium Vault). But THAT and the psychology of what Tim Houston does is what is the key. Any smart person wouldn't want his software, they would want HIM! ;D (Now there are going to be ransom threats -- I can just see it -- Tim won't be able to go outside his house now). Here, I'll let you here a private Live Coaching Call with my On Staff Master Copywriter, Scott Paton, who studied EVERYTHING from Michael Masterson and was trained additional on top of that (let's call it collaberation) by Corey Rudl and was Corey's coaching program manager watching over 25 internet marketing coaches that yielded $28 million in sales. Since Scott left the organization, they aint doin to well (and of course since Corey passed away). Scott Paton also runs Podcastbootcamp.com, so instead of just jib jabbering on, I'll invite you into our Golde and Platinum account conversation, but do NOT share this with TOO MANY people because quite frankly, it costs me in overage charges through the service I use. So limited use please... (in fact, just download the MP3 on the site there)...

    NicheBOT Live Coaching Show 36b January 14 at 5 PM Pacific

    Peace out -- gotta do some more mad videos

    Actually, I'm so passionate about what I said up above that I made a video about it:

    http://warriors.s3.amazonaws.com/itsmentaldude.htm

    Luv you Warriors so much!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author jimmorris
    I'm a member of PPC Classroom 2 as well and Amit Mehta, it took him like
    15 campaigns to even strike a winner -- and still now -- like he only
    expects a WINNING CAMPAIGN every 10 campaigns or every 8 campaigns.

    You really just don't KNOW what's gonna hit until you throw a bunch of stuff out there.

    The magic is when you put up the ads, you gotta start weeding out the LOSERS and the non-converting keywords.

    And like James says, research, research, research.

    The way I take my competition out at the knees is by researching THEM and staying on top of the curve and waiting for the moment where I can move at break neck speed and pounce and grab market share.

    Same mindset with affiliate marketing -- find out and look at what affiliates in the market you want to compete are doing, track them a little, use some Adspy software to track keyword properties and make your move once you develop enough GUT INSTINCT on the market.

    Most people bail out before they ever get started. They just say, "Ah to heck with this, it doesn't work, they are ALL liars and scam artists out there."

    It's just not so.

    It just takes TINKERING with it. Really!

    Just have fun with something -- but commit yourself to it for at least 6 months.

    Don't just tinker for a minute, drop the toy and leave it.

    Get immersed -- that's the ONLY way to crack your OWN code man!

    I'm serious.

    My own success is a result of countless years (like 18 years of time)
    way before this internet came around.

    Anyways, I jabber on...
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  • Profile picture of the author jlzandrad
    I'm trying and it's starting to work
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  • Profile picture of the author Vjack
    Hey Jim - I wholeheartedly agree with you about getting into the thought patterns of people. Wouldn't you agree that it's a great way to ascertain their intention and motivation? For instance, I've got a pretty good idea with respect to how you see this course.

    And indeed this may be a great product. But before I'm interested in getting into Tim's marketing thought pattern, I'm taking a look at his money thought pattern. And that brings me back to the question that has yet to be answered:

    If you had *Specific PPC Techniques* that were making you $100K a month - what in the hell would compel you to invite every affiliate on the planet to compete with you!?

    Increasing bid prices reflect the fact that the whole Adwords universe keeps getting more competitive. In this case, direct linking introduces a smaller corner of that universe. And the corner becomes even smaller if TM bidding has been paramount to success. If that's the case, you can bet the farm that the merchants who allow TM bidding have been thoroughly milked - and it's time to roll out the course.

    The devil always lies in the nuances and there is a reason for this course being launched now. Why not last year?

    Jim, you nailed it with your remarks about having some fun, getting immersed and just jumping in and weeding out the losers. But for this product, I've got the consumer hat on as there are some great products competing for my money - without another monthly payment. X & Google Cash 4 are coming and there is another that looks outstanding. If GS didn't have a monthly payment and I didn't suspect more BS to tag my card with up-sells - I'd buy out of curiosity.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    Jim I appreciate your mindset . Warriors are lucky to have such a passionate and knowledgeable resource available to them.

    You have the answer right there.

    If people are posting here why the product won't work and looking for reasons why the market is saturated and the numbers don't stack up then they are right.

    There will also be people who will take this bull by the horns and make a go of it.

    These are tools. Use them or not.

    To your success.
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    • Profile picture of the author my_addict_mind
      jim,

      thanks for the post. i really enjoy reading your stuff being a one-time nichebot subscriber. but here is the thing with this. i am approaching this in the most logical way. based on the inputs here:

      1. setup 1000 ad groups
      2. it was recommended by tim that you have to accumulate 150-200 clicks before you can determine the winner
      3. out of those 1000 ad groups, only 100 will give you profit and your gross profit will be $5000
      4. of the 1000 ad groups, you will spend for 1000x150 clicks minimum x 0.10 per click. Let us average it at 0.10 per click. Although I think this is in the low estimate because you are bidding on the major keywords like the url, product name, company name, etc.
      so my math tells me:

      1000 ad groups x 150 clicks x 0.10 per click = $15000

      and I expect to earn only $5000 from my investment of $15000
      so for the 1st month, i am losing by $10000 (definitely not for those without the money and for newbies)

      assuming on the 2nd month that i still have some money left, i campaigned again for 1000 ad groups, then i expect to find another 100 winners

      month 2 opening balance -$10000
      month 2 PPC costs -$15000
      month 2 earnings $10000 (add the 100 winners in month 1 and the 100 winners in month 2= 200 winners)
      month 2 ending balance -$15000

      month 3 opening balance -$15000
      month 3 ppc costs -$15000
      month 3 earnings $15000
      month 3 ending balance -$15000

      so i will be losing for 3 months. if i am just starting, how can i survive with this business model.

      even if i wage on my 4th month, there still no certainty if i will be able to come back again from the dead. i think the method is flawed based on the mathematics above. i am not a pessimistic guy. i am also earning my lot online quietly. i can't just help but question so-called revolutionary methods which i think has weak foundation.

      i am all for positive thinking but when the underlying principle of the method or technique being used is not strong enough, i think the law of probability and mathematics will catch up with you just like when you gamble in the casinos.
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  • Profile picture of the author stevecl
    My addict mind,

    Why not set up ten ads using the method and check the results. one ad should be profitable.

    Dump the other 9 then find 10 more rinse and repeat. Over a period of time you will have a number of profitable campaigns.

    Google shadow takes scaling things up to the extreme. Start Small then scale it up.

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    • Profile picture of the author my_addict_mind
      the calculations i have showed are not related to the scaling down or up. here is what i was saying:

      10 ad groups x 150 clicks x 0.10 per click = $150 (on the presumption you will get it at 0.10, most likely it will be more expensive than 10 cents)
      and per ad group i am expected to earn $5 x 10 = $50
      i am still losing by $100

      so what i am saying is no matter how many adgroups you have, if you maintain the same proportion as indicated in this wso, you will still be losing.
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      • Profile picture of the author bidmarket
        I am new to internet marketing but intrigued by its capabilities. I already have a successful business so I am not challenged or motivated by making monies to live on. However, I am wanting to learn something that I can teach my children and feel that IM has long term growth and flexibility.


        With regards to the shadow, what kind of startup costs are involved? I realize you can do it on the cheap. However, to do it effectively, how much?


        How do you find the products to write offers about?


        Do you have to be good at writing?


        Explain Google slapping and do we run the risk of this happening using this technique? I do not understand how Shadow gets around this


        What is meant by placing lots of offers?


        Using this methodology, how do we keep track of our costs and our revenues? Is this something that I could wake up one morning and find out that I am out of pocket $1000 to $2000?


        Is there any help that comes with it?


        I have read about an upsell for $47 regarding blueprints. Is this true and what is it?


        There are a lot of people that sure do not like this methodology, why?



        Obviously, you did not start out using Shadow. Do you think it is the best way for someone new to proceed?
        Thank you
        Gary
        P.S. I would be interested in speaking to someone directly about Shadow and/or other effective techniques.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimmorris
    Scaling up any business is a matter of managing the itsy bitsy pieces in systematic coordination. I understand the math and all that, but this is simply a matter of deciding WHICH technique you wanna scale up for your business (or if that's your plan at all). If too many Adgroups and managing the stuff is too hectic or mind-boggling, then that is a sure determiner that your mind is telling you this AINT right, no matter how many Warriors try to justify it for you. Just move on and find something else to sink your teeth into... ;D

    The worst thing I see in this industry are people that are stuck in neutral and somehow never decide to shift their (OWN INNER) vehicle into drive because they don't choose a particular avenue and then MASTER IT.

    Key thing that drives forward progress of any kind = making a decision

    Because I'm going to tell you one thing -- when you master one thing -- the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th thing that you want to Master becomes IMMENSELY easier (50-80% easier).

    The thing that I've derived about the essence of Mastery is that once you ACHIEVE some sort of mastery over some technique or whatever it may be, you instantly gain a sort of confidence that boosts your self-esteem, thus making the 2nd thing you want to master simply like a piece of cake.

    So again, if the resistance in you is doubting based on math (which is all theoretical until you put the rubber to the road), I'm giving you permission to let go of the math and find something else that will bring you the fruits of your creative labor.

    This is all LONG TERM vision stuff though... ;D
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    • Profile picture of the author mick535
      The biggest problem people have with PPC overall is they want it to be quick and easy. The problem is; it isn't quick and easy.

      I think most products that come out for PPC anymore with a strategy are from guys who are tired of working it and want an overall payoff for their efforts. This doesn't apply to this product neccessarily, but it is just a thought.

      I stop campaigningfrom time to time because I get burnout. Biting my fingers every day waiting to see if my next campaign is going to hit or not.

      The 3 keywords deal has been easy for me because I already have a process and this was almost a perfect setup. I won't be continuing the campaigns I started for much longer just because I like to keep it to 8-10 campaigns running at once. Scaling any more than that is a pain.
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    • Profile picture of the author KGoods
      I've enjoyed reading this thread... so much so that I re-signed up for the Warrior Forum just to be able to post a reply.

      I bought GS yesterday and got through all of the printed material last night and this morning. I have not seen the videos yet. I also spent quite a bit of time with the software last night and created a couple handfuls of campaigns. I have been using PPC off and on for a couple years with limited success (which is better than no success I guess) e.g. I've never had a better than 2k (net) month and most of my campaigns seem to fizzle out after a few months no matter how much CPR I do on them. I have never found the "holy grail" of those elusive campaigns that seem to just make money forever without much babysitting. Competition is getting tougher and tougher all the time and then you have the occasional newbies that jump in and throw everything out of whack for a time. I've never had any problems defending against newbies but I fully realize that there are masters out there that know a few things I don't know. YET!

      I normally purchase most PPC and Adwords related products that hit the market just in case I missed something along my journey. Some have helped... some not so much... and some that didn't really help my bottom line but did alert me to methods that others were/would be using (Google snatch, Day job Killer) that allowed me to adjust and protect my successful campaigns. I might add that these products did also give me excellent ideas for my own software.

      My take on Google Shadow? Interesting. Will I use it? Not to the point that I will continue my membership. However, I won't return it either. The way I look at it is this. I was curious enough to purchase just to see what another successful PPC mongrel was using to make money with PPC. And now that I have read it I can't very well erase it from my memory banks can I? Even though I doubt I will use this exact method, it did give me some ideas about future techniques I will no doubt put into place. As far as the software goes... I'm a programmer so I wrote something very similar last summer (I also wrote my own version of a PPC spy type program that I use a lot). Took me all of a couple weeks spare time and I use both programs all the time.

      VJack: I believe it was you that asked the question as to why would a successful PPC-er give away his secrets and increase his competition at the same time? I find this a very healthy attitude to have when considering the purchase of a IM related product. I've always asked myself the same question. Why on earth would this guy come out the closet and expose not only himself but the method he uses to make 100k+ a month?

      On top of what Jim said (attrition), I'd like to add this for consideration. I can only speculate on a few things but there are two reasons I'm sure about. First, Tim is going to get a pretty good bonus check this month. This is on top of what he's already doing with PPC. Maybe he has his eye on a new luxury car or boat? This one payday will buy him one --- cash! As you probably know, humans (especially Americans) tend to live just inside their means, so even though Tim is making bank every month I'm sure the extra cash will come in handy.

      My number two reason (just a guess, but an educated one), is that you have to remember that Tim has been doing this for a while. Even though I'm sure he revealed "all" in his report , I'm also sure there's tons of details left out. If I hadn't been doing PPC for some time I'm sure I would have problems understanding some of the points in the report. And to be honest, this report created as many questions for me than it answered. This is where I found value in the product. Luckily I do have the experience to reason though some of the questions and answer them for myself. However, to be fair, for the newbie there are several resources (ebooks and videos) included with the report that cover the more basic stuff.

      Also... and listen, this is the biggie... Tim has already tried 1,000's of campaigns and I'm sure he has kept track of all the losers so he doesn't go down those roads again. I'm sure he could reason though them and find patterns of why a particular campaign works while another didn't. He then could have included this very valuable information. But no, he's going to leave that exercise up to the purchasers.

      So, in essence, the big winner here, as always, is Google. Even with attrition there will still be many people using this system. They will all be finding the same losers and buying those same clicks to find those losers. These are the losers that Tim has already found and tossed out the window. Now it's possible due to Tim's methods that he missed a couple that one might get lucky with, but basing a business model on luck is something I don't have the b*lls for.

      So are you really competition to Tim? Hardly.

      Ok.. so now imagine that you've happened across a winner that Tim is already working. Do you think for one minute that in the years that Tim has been doing this he hasn't figured out a way to protect his best campaigns? If nothing else, all you have to do to kill your competition in PPC is to outbid them until they bleed to death. Happens every day. Or since you know what time of day and what days of the week the majority sales come in (you are tracking right?), adjust your campaigns to only show during those times and let the others have the droppings during the unproductive times. Point is, there are several ways to deal with competition if you have the resources that Tim has. I'm not talking just cash reserves, I'm talking also, and probably more importantly, about experience.

      Newbies can lose a lot of money getting into p*ssing contests with the "big boys". Can you tell I've been p*ssed on more than a few times? :confused: This is something you can't teach how to avoid in a book... you actually have to get your hands dirty before it really sinks in. This is a business and its a business that is especially cut-throat.

      That's why its not my primary business. If you really want to succeed in PPC here's my advice. You have to "live" it. Breathe it. Be it. You need to get your hands on anything at all written for it. Starting with Google's tutorials! It's simply amazing to me how people who have been using Adwords will ask me the most rudimentary questions. My first question is, "have you read the help files on Google's site?" I usually get a response something like, "They have help files?" :confused:

      After that move on to Perry's stuff and all of Chris's stuff, all of X's stuff, Commission Blueprint, all of anything you can find. Period. I'm sure I've left out several important works (I don't feel like getting lost in my library right now) but a quick Google search will fill in the blanks.

      Sorry this turned into such a rant (although I think I'm still well under Jim's word count - big smiles), but PPC was one of my passions a while back and I'm still very interested in getting it to the next level which is why I still buy every product on the market relating to it.

      To sum up. If you want to do PPC, buy and read Google Shadow, buy and watch Commission Blueprint, buy and read Google Adwords, buy and read DJK, buy and read Google Snatch, buy and read all of Perry Marshall's stuff, buy and read everything you can get your hands on related to PPC, but first, for God's sake, read the Google Adwords help files.

      Then get ready for the ride of your life!!!

      Kind regards,
      Ken

      - and seriously Jim, thanks for the post, it was great!
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      • Profile picture of the author ebuyer123
        Originally Posted by KGoods View Post

        .................. As you probably know, humans (especially Americans) tend to live just inside their means, so even though Tim is making bank every month I'm sure the extra cash will come in handy.
        As per above statement, is that including President Obama, or just Tim alone??
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    • Profile picture of the author my_addict_mind
      i just can't understand how this product is revolutionary when 99% of its ideas were culled from some products.

      the ebook is very basic adwords. there are a lot of free adwords ebook out there.

      and the advice on no keyword research, just promote any product, without any due diligence, and hope some of it become profitable, to me that stinks.

      because you will be losing a lot of money or worst you won't be able to recover

      if my math tells me i am losing, it is hard for me to be positive about it. i believe no amount of positive or esoteric forces will overturn a mathematical fact. law of gravity will always be there. try jumping off the building with a positive attitude and see where you land. my god, i am just talking here basic income and expense for a business model and all i see is negative result, though all theoretical. i wouldn't spend my time trying to prove wrong the mathematical facts. why should i. there are many internet business models out there which i think are more feasible. for googleshadow, i am not convinced. this is the type of product where many newbies and not so newbies will try and eventually lose money from it.

      before you go into any business, you do your due diligence. if after your due diligence, you find it feasible to embark on that business, then you put all your efforts into it, be positive about its potentials, then success will naturally be just beside you. it is not the other way around. when there are red flags all over, you just scrap the whole idea and move on, find another business model. and that is what i am doing. i am letting this pass by as i don't believe in it.

      and many will tell, 98% will fail, only 1 or 2% will succeed. why is that? why is it that many here are making it so complicated? because of the so many misinformation in the IM world many are falling prey to these schemes which claim to make you money when the foundational pillar it is standing on is on soft ground. many here are in the business of selling wsos nothing more. but they are selling their wares on unproven methods, or just pure lucky streak. the victimized newbies grab these products based on the promises or the copywriting prowess of the sales page. but if you look inside the product, it is too hollow. visit the wso forums. 90% are hollow products, some are really excellent wsos i admit but these are few. this is why the mortality rate in IM is high because of this misinformation. google shadow is one of these i would say very hollow, at best very shallow, overpriced products. it should be renamed "google hollow" or "google shallow". take your pick.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kuma
      Originally Posted by professorkelp View Post

      Here's a review by a friend of mine , Brian Owens:
      Google Shadow Review
      Good and honest review by Brian - reflecting exactly my thoughts.

      The sad fact is that after the fabulous DJK (okay life was still in good order then) we are seeing a lot of mediocre products from Chris these days (Assassin, Nemesis) and in addition to that they now want us to pay a monthly fee for that (Look for the agent who is offering you a "discount" - LOL- this shows the mentality).

      I think also RJ is losing credibility when promoting this product (he has done similar things in the past what I did not expect from him)- maybe he is on the verge of becoming a ┬┤loser┬┤himself ??? Who knows

      But the RJ is not the only one of the "gurus" supporting any kind of product as long as they can make a commission. My "unsubscribe" activities have increased a lot already- since then I can focus much more on the necessary long-term IM activities - making myself more independent from the hype and all "time-sensitive" offers....
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      • Profile picture of the author UKTim29
        Originally Posted by Kuma View Post

        Good and honest review by Brian - reflecting exactly my thoughts.

        The sad fact is that after the fabulous DJK (okay life was still in good order then) we are seeing a lot of mediocre products from Chris these days (Assassin, Nemesis) and in addition to that they now want us to pay a monthly fee for that (Look for the agent who is offering you a "discount" - LOL- this shows the mentality.
        The thing is some people (affiliates) are saying it's the next best thing since sliced bread, this is their business, the same with Chris, this ebook is just another business.

        I've not bought it but also read the BHW forum and have enough "insight" into this eBook to know if it's any good or not.

        He basically says 9 out of 10 campaigns you start after reading this ebook expect not to work but use the ones that do. So he's basically saying it's trial and error! When I first started out ppc 9 out of 10 of my campaigns didn't work. That was with basic ppc knowledge and expermenting. Thats the same with most other people who start ppc, Therefore what does this ebook actually tell you that you couldn't already find out with a basic knowledge of ppc????
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  • Profile picture of the author Vjack
    Ken - Thanks for the very insightful and candid review. Concerning attrition, I believe that increased competition and bid prices throughout AWs offers the answer. The opposite of attrition is occurring on all fronts.

    Anyone considering GS should read your post several times.

    And professorkelp slipped in a douse. Brian Owens seems like a very forthright and honest guy and comes right out with:

    "Google Shadow however, takes the cake for worst product release of 2009 so far in my honest review." DON'T BUY THIS. IT'S THE WORST EBOOK I'VE EVER READ IN MY LIFE! - steaming pile of garbagge."

    Get the video and review link from professorkelp's post.

    Jim -

    You've demonstrated a firm grasp on internet marketing and that you've achieved great success in your business and I commend you for that. You've reached a level of understanding about your life that comforts you and I commend you for that too.

    However you are speaking to me and this thread from presumption - with an audacity as if your success has credentialed you to know and lecture my mind set and inner psychology. I found your post to be condescending and arrogant and could be described like - you've gathered us lost marketing souls, walked to the hilltop and proceeded to grace the flock below with enlightenment and wisdom. My takeaway is that you've got some ego issues to work out ... until then, you'll be back proclaiming that I just don't get it.

    And let's be frank. Tim is the top affiliate who puts money in your pocket and you are selling the hell out of his product. Acting on your advice, we should screw our heads on to your specifications and get the credit card out. But there are people like me in this thread who are only interested in making a decision to buy or pass. And from what I've seen, I'm gone as this looks like another IM Course con job.

    Sorry for the rant as I also know that Jim Morris is a great guy who goes beyond the norm to help his members.
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    • Profile picture of the author my_addict_mind
      i also admire jim morris and the services he provides in nichebot. excellent site. but i do think this is one of the few endorsements which i believe he should rethink his position.

      it is easier said than done to use psychology, mental powers, nlp, etc. but if the product is glaringly crappy, it will back fire to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author bidmarket
    so are there any other products in which you can do ppc without having your own website that are worthwhile?

    If so, how do they compare to shadow?

    thank you
    bid
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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      Originally Posted by bidmarket View Post

      so are there any other products in which you can do ppc without having your own website that are worthwhile?

      If so, how do they compare to shadow?

      thank you
      bid
      I don't know, but I think the days of direct linking is over,if you read Perry Marshall's defentive guide in the new edition, you'll get it, may be Marshall was the last one saying that direct linking may work,but now,he admitted that it's not acceptable be Google any more, so save your time and money,and believe me,I thought always it's hard to think about building landing pages, but believe me,when I started to work, I found it to be easier than I always thought, a simple landing page that takes a couple hours of work make a huge difference in your quality score and click costs, just take care of small tricky details and you'll be fine:

      -Always place a link for privacy policy and contact us pages,
      -Pay attention for the old school tags (meta tags, ttle tags, h1,h2,h3,...etc)
      again, don't assume this is difficult and time consuming, if you put a model for yourself it will be doable in a reasonable amount of time..

      You may think this is silly, but as all of us know, big G is going silly sometimes, and put value on things you may not notice...

      Cheers,
      Ahmed
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  • Of course, a majority of the course is based on old Affilaite project x techniques and the Google Cash method. The only advantage that Google Shadow has is that it comes with affiliate training as well as the software to trac your campaigns.
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  • @jbirdmanjr

    Iframing is short for "Internet Frame". It's basically putting a website into another website. If you have an Iframe, the site that is framed will be in a small box that you can see through, just as if you were on the site itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayStarr
    Its not for newbies just starting out thats for sure.. the Adwords spend is just too great and the risk is REAL.. the only good thing is this package is the aiftware that automates most things.. other than that its a big pass from me.
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  • Profile picture of the author bidmarket
    so is there a way to do google ads without having a website? if so, how is the success rate versus doing it on your own site.

    and are there any courses that teach ppc without having your own site?
    thank you
    bid
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    • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
      Originally Posted by bidmarket View Post

      so is there a way to do google ads without having a website? if so, how is the success rate versus doing it on your own site.

      and are there any courses that teach ppc without having your own site?
      thank you
      bid
      Yes, the thread you posted in here describes this method if 'direct linking'.

      It can be done successfully. You need good keywords, careful advertising setup and close monitoring.

      If you can sell more than your ads cost you make a profit.

      If you do it wrong - which many people do - then you can lose money fast.
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    • Profile picture of the author ebuyer123
      Originally Posted by bidmarket View Post

      so is there a way to do google ads without having a website? if so, how is the success rate versus doing it on your own site.
      GoogleShadow might not be suitable for newbies, but here is something that I think it is not suitable for every CB affiliate...read on:

      ***Beware if you are promoting computer fix software products (e.g. registry cleaners/tools that provide FREE scan and download before someone is buying it) at Clickbank.

      Few days ago my friend downloaded a computer registry fix software via my direct linking affiliate link. It was a free download and offered a free scan and paid version after the download. He was first scanned his computer and then went on to register/buy the paid version.

      Now the problem is, when I check my ClickBank affiliate account, there isn't any commission ($32+) being made from the sale via my affliate link. From this experience, I suspect that if someone doesn't buy the software before making a free download & scan, CB affiliate like me won't get pay for the sale. IMO that's a scam and sneaky product vendor (i.e. SOB).

      Anyway the software vendor will soon get a request for refund from my friend. By the way I also have stopped promoting any software products that offer FREE scan and FREE download.***

      ebuyer123
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  • Profile picture of the author captainbackfire
    Hi everyone, I have really enjoyed this thread, excellent info. Thanks!

    New to this forum although have been a fan for many years.

    I had to chime in on this one...

    GS peaked my curiosity, and finally after reading this thread, I am certain I have already seen this method explained in detail.

    I have reviewed most of the Big PPC / Adwords launches and offers over the past year or so, and spent a bunch of money doing it.

    Based the method used in GS, I think Alex G nailed the win / looser method in either Players with $ or affiliate payload, just a few months back, I can't remember which, both are jam packed with useful info.

    Maybe Alex learned it from some other "guru" who knows?

    Or maybe it is just common sense, the faster you fail and find out what works, the quicker you succeed, at whatever avenue of you choose to go down in IM.

    Personally I like to fail, fail, fail then to find success without parting with too much of my cash.

    I have nothing to promote here so this is just my opinion:

    I thoroughly enjoyed PWM and AP, they were loaded with tons of material and resources for the beginner and Pro in the PPC realm. To me the products had much more bang for the buck, and gave you great material on everything from landing page techniques, this PPC winner / looser method, landing page templates, and touched on many of the major components of IM so you could choose something you where comfortable with after going through the material.


    Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author ebuyer123
      Originally Posted by captainbackfire View Post

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      I thoroughly enjoyed PWM and AP, they were loaded with tons of material and resources for the beginner and Pro in the PPC realm. To me the products had much more bang for the buck, and gave you great material on everything from landing page techniques, this PPC winner / looser method, landing page templates, and touched on many of the major components of IM so you could choose something you where comfortable with after going through the material.
      Man, you are absolutely right! Both [Players with Money] and [Affiliate Payload] are good I.M stuffs.. Their contents **HIGHLIGHT** theories as well as tactics, and for newbies the main problem would be INFO OVERLOADED.

      By the way, the HYPE of GoogleShadow is over and many people (i.e. mainly the I.M novices) are basically 'back to square 1' really..

      ebuyer123
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