Bring the fresh?

Vince1990

12 years ago

A product that has some credibility but with their new hypey sales letter it just throws the credibility right out the window! They have follow for the hypey sales letters just like the rest of the guru's.

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Tina Golden 12 years ago

A little search goes a long way:

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iRunThis

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Vince1990

A product that has some credibility but with their new hypey sales letter it just throws the credibility right out the window! They have follow for the hypey sales letters just like the rest of the guru's.

You can't take away credibility of a product because you feel that the sales letter is "hypey".

Go find me a product that is selling, that does not have a "hypey" sales page. There aren't many. As for BTF, I was once a part of it. I can't speak on it today, but back when I was a member, a few months ago, it was a really good program and a lot of people found success with it. I'm sure you're wondering, "If the product is so good, then why did you leave the program?" The answer is, I was not patient before and I wanted something quicker.

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lordkensal

12 years ago

Bring The Fresh is a great course, because it takes an "over the shoulder approach". The guys basically walk you through the steps they take. Can be a bit rambling in places, but they are actually "doing" the stuff they are teaching. Some of the techniques they teach are really powerful, like "Launch Jacking" and Video Jacking. They guys seem really down to earth, and while the navigation could be better, the course is still really good.

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Shemp Hain

12 years ago

Originally Posted by lordkensal

Bring The Fresh is a great course, because it takes an "over the shoulder approach". The guys basically walk you through the steps they take. Can be a bit rambling in places, but they are actually "doing" the stuff they are teaching. Some of the techniques they teach are really powerful, like "Launch Jacking" and Video Jacking. They guys seem really down to earth, and while the navigation could be better, the course is still really good.

What about the fact that the 90% of the "over the shoulder" approach dealt with article spinning? The quick-start guide was average and I got so fed up with Mystery and the "pick up girls" niche. One positive was the forum, which is very active and informational.

I won't be checking out BTF 2012 so I can't comment on any new content but as far as I'm concerned I believe there are better courses out there like Affiloblueprint 3, and Adsense 100k.

Stay away from Google Sniper and Extreme Niche Empires. Your sites will drop faster than some girls pants after you follow some of Mystery's pick-up-tricks.

Holy crap. I just finished typing this and I found the website http://www.projectprofits.com/
This is not an affiliate link.

It is a course by Mike Long and Kelly Felix. I can't believe how long the damn sales-page is.... oh wait they had to include pictures of their childhood and the projects they lived in lol. Anyway, I scrolled halfway down the page and there it was... a computer titled V-Books#2 and what was on the screen? SOME CRAP ABOUT MYSTERY turning corduroy wearing nerds into chick magnets. When will this stop. They need to quit beating a dead horse.

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12 years ago

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Drew Cleveland

12 years ago

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Drew Cleveland

12 years ago

Sorry if I offended you, that wasn't my intention. If you took the bulk of my post into consideration instead of the last sentence I think you would feel differently.

The main point of my post was directed towards my opinion that BTF is easy to follow, if you follow the right steps (like read the fast start guide). I was also pointing out that you should engage your self with the community.

I only bashed Sean because in the same post you said one of his products was excellent and Mike and Kelly's Bring The Fresh easily confuses newbies. Thats why I compared the two.

I wasnt trying to piss you off, I was just trying to point out that BTF is easy to follow. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Originally Posted by joseph7384

You really need to learn how to read before opening that big mouth of yours.

This is what I was replying to, I never compared Bring the Fresh to Extreme Niche Empires.

And this was my reply.

I never compared Bring the Fresh to Extreme Niche Empires. I never bashed Kelly or Mike because they know their stuff and I am a Bring the Fresh member, I only said that it would seem confusing to a newbie and with that being said, I am not a newbie.

So again, I never bashed them unlike yourself bashing Sean.

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Paul Myers 12 years ago

Drew,

I only bashed Sean because

... because you don't seem to understand the rules.

Bashing people will probably not bring you a result you'll like. Please don't.

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Shemp Hain

12 years ago

Originally Posted by joseph7384

I also thought that a few of the article spinning videos were long an drawn out, watching mike spin every word in a 45 minute video was agonizing, he could of just spun every word in just one paragraph so that he gets his point across.

I haven't tried Affiloblueprint by Mark Ling but he is top notch.

You can't be serious, Google sniper by George Brown and Extreme niche Empires by Sean Donahoe are both excellent products, I am still using Extreme niche Empire core technique in all my sites and doing quite well with them.

Getting back on topic, I think that Bring the Fresh has a ton of great info but I really don't care for how the site is structured in a non step by step way where a newbie can be quite easily confused.

I purchased Google Sniper and I found the methods George uses to target one keyword for a mini-site just isn't applicable anymore post Google updates. Now, I'm not sure if he updated his eBook or added extra videos post Panda.

With Sean Donahoe... All of the sites I set up with Extreme Niche Empires got SLAMMED AND THEY GOT SLAMMED HARD. His system pulls content from other sources and posts them directly on your site. I was getting hits at first but it WAS NOT TARGETED TRAFFIC. I had a very broad keyword for learning guitar and I was pulling yahoo questions about GIRLS HAVING GETTING THEIR FIRST PERIODS. I set everything up properly and I had horrible results. I only began getting my rankings back after I pulled all the cron-job crap I had to set up. Plus the support was HORRIBLE!

I would definitely opt for BTF over these two courses, any day. I'm sure that people have probably made good money with BTF, but as my personal opinion I prefer stuff from Brian Johnson, Matt Carter, and Mark Ling.

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crosshairs

12 years ago

BTF is great!

You get training that has recently updated plus an extremely active and friendly forum. The hidden value is in the info members share in the private forum. No trolls there either.

I've been a member to over a year and it is one of the few products I've continued using long term.

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GaryBurke

12 years ago

Originally Posted by crosshairs

BTF is great!

You get training that has recently updated plus an extremely active and friendly forum. The hidden value is in the info members share in the private forum. No trolls there either.

I've been a member to over a year and it is one of the few products I've continued using long term.

Are you making any good money with what you are learning in the course

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Michael Field-Dodgson

12 years ago

BTF is a site that is great for people starting IF they follow instructions and don't get side tracked.

I Like BTF because the people involved are "clever" and busy looking into what's going on with IM. For example, they have prepared SEO methods to apply post Google penguin to assist your sites scrutiny by Google.

As well, I have found that they are not "peddlers", they have a site where they feed information into which is current and relevant - you don't get emails promoting the next best thing.

So my impression of this site is that it is very worthwhile.

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Chiayee

12 years ago

I am a member (basic level) since 2010. The quality of the course is top notch.

What impressed me the most is the customer support.

Both Mike and Kelly actively participate in forum discussions. I've personally talked to Kelly few times via Skype. He's very helpful.

Most others gurus outsourced their support to team who don't know squat about internet marketing. And, it often get days before you hear a reply. Sometimes the support tickets go unanswered.

Now in case you are wondering.. Yes. I've made money with method taught in BTF

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Chiayee

12 years ago

I am a member (basic level) since 2010. The quality of the course is top notch.

What impressed me the most is the customer support.

Both Mike and Kelly actively participate in forum discussions. I've personally talked to Kelly few times via Skype. He's very helpful.

Most others gurus outsourced their support to team who don't know squat about internet marketing. And, it often get days before you hear a reply. Sometimes the support tickets go unanswered.

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elliec

12 years ago

Apart from Chiayee, has anyone made money using their methods? Sounds like a longer term strategy which is ok but can you make good money following their guide?

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cypherslock

12 years ago

Look above, there's a ton of links there for you. And a case study as well. Should be enough?

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elliec

12 years ago

Ok cypherslock....I looked at the "above" and nowhere, nowhere does anyone say anything about making money. The "case study" led to a thread that was closed! Many rave about the product and the teaching methods, yada, yada, yada.....does anyone EVER say they are making money following the process? I want to believe it is a good product. I also want to follow something that will lead me into a steady income stream. I am sick and tired of people raving on willy nilly about the wonders of some product but never saying...."I followed the xyz method and am making $300 per day, or week or month" . People need to stop this airy fairy BS and get down to the reality.....ARE YOU MAKING ANY MONEY WITH IT! This is not an assault on BTF, it is an assault on people who join this IM community.
Bottom line - we are all here to find a way to make money. Full Stop. WHY do people just rattle on about "customer support is great" or "he gives out his cell phone number"(which is awesome BTW) but for craps sake folks....ARE YOU MAKING ANY MONEY?? You can study all you want. You can buy until the cows come home but.....who, besides the folks on the sales video (which I am sure are real) is making money?? Tell me please I want to know.....

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bfas 12 years ago

Originally Posted by elliec

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I also want to follow something that will lead me into a steady income stream.

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Hi Ellie,

BTF is a course teaching numerous strategies, tactics, and business models. In all cases, you have to apply what is being taught.

You say you want to follow something that will lead to a steady income stream. I can tell you both from direct, personal experience, and that of many people on my forum - the strategies BTF teaches work if followed. I'd be comfortable saying to anyone, if you follow what's there, with some consistency of effort, you'll find that steady income stream.

I know Kelly & Mike on a casual basis from having been a member there, and a few other endeavors. Both are honest, best-in-class internet marketers. Both have a long track record of integrity and success. What they teach are practical, real-world methods that work.

I launched my Adsense course on BTF back in 2010, applying some of the tactics I picked up there. Others on BTF promoted my course using tactics taught there. My course became - and remains - a best-seller.

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  I wouldn't have said it any better
  
  There are many testimonials in the forum that prove people are and not just a little money either, they also share HOW they did it in detail. But you have to get in to see obviously. All I know is, once I found BtF, I stopped buying programs.
  
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cypherslock

12 years ago

Suggestion: Pay the $7 and see for yourself. The success thread in the BTF forum is overflowing. One fellow I know made $1million in nine months by taking what was in BTF and using his own twist. I've used the techniques to land offline clients that I'm currently working with. So yea I'm making money with it. In fact, I quit buying courses after BTF and haven't even upgraded to Full Disclosure yet. As for a specific dollar amount? Let's just say I get paid very well and don't do a whole lot of grunt work.

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elliec

12 years ago

Originally Posted by cypherslock

Suggestion: Pay the $7 and see for yourself. The success thread in the BTF forum is overflowing. One fellow I know made $1million in nine months by taking what was in BTF and using his own twist. I've used the techniques to land offline clients that I'm currently working with. So yea I'm making money with it. In fact, I quit buying courses after BTF and haven't even upgraded to Full Disclosure yet. As for a specific dollar amount? Let's just say I get paid very well and don't do a whole lot of grunt work.

I think you meant $97...

You being "paid very well" is what I wanted to hear from someone! Thank you!

Off to check it out....and like you, I don't buy anything anymore...reason why I wanted to hear some facts.

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Chiayee

12 years ago

hey Elliec:

there are tons of case studies in BTF forums.

In case you need helps or have questions, feel free to PM me !

CY

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elliec

12 years ago

Thanks Michael.

I also see now that there are reviews substantiating some serious revenue claims in the WSO area of the WF. I did not realize this course was still offered as a WSO which is why $7 was mentioned in the post by cypher above. Can't beat that intro price or the WSO for something that actually has "real" people claiming "real" income! Eureka!

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Tom22

12 years ago

Here's an interesting negative review I found via a Google search:
Bring The Fresh Project Profits - My HONEST UNBIASED Review

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highrider21

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Tom22

Here's an interesting negative review I found via a Google search:
Bring The Fresh Project Profits - My HONEST UNBIASED Review

Thanks for that, I was considering buying Project Profits but now I don't think I will.

For the original poster, bought BTF about a year ago and used followed their fast start guide to build one website. I invested $70 total into the website and backlinking and got it to rank #3 on the first page. But I guess I chose the wrong keyword because it only made me about $1 per month and I made one sale of a clickbank product for $20. After a year (when the domain name expired) I think I about broke even. Also, that website got kicked off the first page after the Penguin update. I don't know how effective their new updated FSG is though. I got distracted and didn't build any other websites following the BTF fast start guide.

I think if you follow their FSG you will have a good chance of ranking eventually (it took that website about 2-3 months to get to the first page). But the thing about BTF that I don't like is their teaching style. Their fast start guide was kind of difficult to understand - how they explain setting up the wordpress site and everything, and the second half of the FSG, the "Meta Strategies, Organization, and Sex and the Story" sections didn't really make much sense to me and I was wondering why they put that in their ebook. I couldn't understand the point that they were making.

Then the videos in the members area are pretty long - about 30-45 min each and it's basically just them rambling on about some aspect of IM or some method without any clear instructions or step-by-step advice. So I found their videos hard to understand, it was good information I just didn't know how to implement it. And then they have videos with them interviewing each other on some aspect of IM and success which I never really bothered to watch any of them. Overall they don't seem to give you any really clear actionable advice other than their fast start guide, the rest is just them taking forever to explain some IM concept or method in a very vague way.

Their forum however is really good and has a huge amount of active threads with really good information, so it probably is worth the price just for the forum.

That is just my opinion of BTF.

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jabro

12 years ago

Originally Posted by highrider21

Thanks for that, I was considering buying Project Profits but now I don't think I will.

For the original poster, bought BTF about a year ago and used followed their fast start guide to build one website. I invested $70 total into the website and backlinking and got it to rank #3 on the first page. But I guess I chose the wrong keyword because it only made me about $1 per month and I made one sale of a clickbank product for $20. After a year (when the domain name expired) I think I about broke even. Also, that website got kicked off the first page after the Penguin update. I don't know how effective their new updated FSG is though. I got distracted and didn't build any other websites following the BTF fast start guide.

I think if you follow their FSG you will have a good chance of ranking eventually (it took that website about 2-3 months to get to the first page). But the thing about BTF that I don't like is their teaching style. Their fast start guide was kind of difficult to understand - how they explain setting up the wordpress site and everything, and the second half of the FSG, the "Meta Strategies, Organization, and Sex and the Story" sections didn't really make much sense to me and I was wondering why they put that in their ebook. I couldn't understand the point that they were making.

Then the videos in the members area are pretty long - about 30-45 min each and it's basically just them rambling on about some aspect of IM or some method without any clear instructions or step-by-step advice. So I found their videos hard to understand, it was good information I just didn't know how to implement it. And then they have videos with them interviewing each other on some aspect of IM and success which I never really bothered to watch any of them. Overall they don't seem to give you any really clear actionable advice other than their fast start guide, the rest is just them taking forever to explain some IM concept or method in a very vague way.

Their forum however is really good and has a huge amount of active threads with really good information, so it probably is worth the price just for the forum.

That is just my opinion of BTF.

I was on the webinar they did with Mark Ling to promote AffiloBlueprint 3.0. Mike would not shut the hell up. He constantly interrupted Mark during the entire thing to bring up points he made multiple times before including to always remind everyone to buy AffiloBlueprint through them for the bonuses. You can tell Mark was irritated for being constantly being interrupted like he was. He couldn't get barely more than a sentence in before being interrupted again and again.

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Chiayee

12 years ago

Look like I am not the only one who was annoyed with Mike's presentation style

Highrider21 brings up some valid points. I found some of the BTF videos to be waste of time, especially for a non native English speaker like me.

Having said that, the BTF method has helped my sites rank. I joined the site two years ago. Since then, there were multiple updates.

In addition, the forum members are always ready to help. There are some solid tips too.

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jabro

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Chiayee

Look like I am not the only one who was annoyed with Mike's presentation style

Highrider21 brings up some valid points. I found some of the BTF videos to be waste of time, especially for a non native English speaker like me.

Having said that, the BTF method has helped my sites rank. I joined the site two years ago. Since then, there were multiple updates.

In addition, the forum members are always ready to help. There are some solid tips too.

I agree with that. BTF is a solid course.

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ProServices

12 years ago

BTF has been recommended by many. But like with everything, you have to be focused and take action to succeed. So many people give up taking consistent action and I am included.

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Drew Cleveland

12 years ago

awesome course. one of my top recommended on my review site!

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KellyFelix

12 years ago

Nice to see some familiar faces in here! I'm not going to comment on any specific review, since everyone is entitled to their opinions (even if they are mistaken

). I prefer to let results speak for themselves, so here's a link to a screen capture I took from our forum today, showing the last dozen threads, with the results our members are having:

http://www.bringthefresh.com/forum.png

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Cliff Carrigan

12 years ago

Hey guys, I'm a firm believer in one-page-mini sites, and in my experience, they still do very well. BTF may not have had time yet to update some strategies, but overall the whole process is still spot-on because it is based on basic fundamentals.

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silyavski

12 years ago

Hi,
if you are newbie in doubt, please read carefully what i say, cause i am a newbie and before 2 weeks i bought the Start Guide:
The Bad:
1. The BTF forum is very good to read but I did not like it. Why? Because nobody cares about you and your questions. They only answer if the question interests them. Not Kelly, i am speaking about the members there. Don't waste time with the forum, here you will be answered faster.
2.prepare yourself to read hype emails and bla bla bla about this and that, while you are sweating how to make your first site.
3. there is some stuff in the Start guide that is outdated and needs some reFreshing, nevertheless its true to the letter, just the means have to be updated.

Now the good:
1. Its like Jesus teaching you the Bible step by step. You don't grasp all, but somehow you feel its something clever and true.
2.So do not bother with anything else and be jumpy about making money, just read the damned Start guide 100 times and follow it step by step. My advice here is not to hurry and take yourself a week or better like 10 days while building your first web. Question what he says, search explanation on the web, learn but follow it to the letter! I grasped right at the start that if i understand what he says willl save me time in the long run. I believe that at the 5th web i make, for half a day i can finish everything, from start to end, including writing some articles. This one took me 8 days though.

Conclusion:
No, you will not implement the guide and build your first web for 1h, you will not make money the first week or understand what you are doing without sitting in front of the computer 12h a day, browsing forums, etc.
Yes, you will spend a lot of money on different software in the future if you are serious, though if you analyze and understand the FSG you don't need Market Samurai or similar to start, though i encourage you to download the trial while making first decisions.

The bottom line: Yes, the FSG is worth the money, to try and see for yourself for 7$ is a no brainer.
The proof: I bought it before 10 days, followed most of the steps exactly and at some points improvised but stayed in tune with what they say. Before some days Google indexed for first time my site. Today just now i come from work and is the first time my 7 day old web shows on a search result. 3 medium but with quite tough competition keywords. On the toughest one Its at page 3, on the other ones its at page 4 on the search results. And believe it or not - i am just next after Amazon itself,uuuuuuugh, and surrounded by Youtube and Wikipedia.

I have 2 posts and 1 photo, Zero Back links, 1 g+ / i gave it my self/, 0 facebook likes, and still haven't posted the most decisive post where the affiliate links will be, nor i have made any of the videos that i intended to make and post.

If that doesn't convince the unbelievers that BTF FSG is worth the money and had to be followed by the letter, you will never be convinced. Amen!

PS. Now i see that i am on the top of 2nd page my keyword+review. And i havent done any review yet!!! Nor " review"is in the domain title if you wonder

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devonm

12 years ago

Originally Posted by silyavski

Hi,
if you are newbie in doubt, please read carefully what i say, cause i am a newbie and before 2 weeks i bought the Start Guide:
The Bad:
1. The BTF forum is very good to read but I did not like it. Why? Because nobody cares about you and your questions. They only answer if the question interests them. Not Kelly, i am speaking about the members there. Don't waste time with the forum, here you will be answered faster.
2.prepare yourself to read hype emails and bla bla bla about this and that, while you are sweating how to make your first site.
3. there is some stuff in the Start guide that is outdated and needs some reFreshing, nevertheless its true to the letter, just the means have to be updated.

Now the good:
1. Its like Jesus teaching you the Bible step by step. You don't grasp all, but somehow you feel its something clever and true.
2.So do not bother with anything else and be jumpy about making money, just read the damned Start guide 100 times and follow it step by step. My advice here is not to hurry and take yourself a week or better like 10 days while building your first web. Question what he says, search explanation on the web, learn but follow it to the letter! I grasped right at the start that if i understand what he says willl save me time in the long run. I believe that at the 5th web i make, for half a day i can finish everything, from start to end, including writing some articles. This one took me 8 days though.

Conclusion:
No, you will not implement the guide and build your first web for 1h, you will not make money the first week or understand what you are doing without sitting in front of the computer 12h a day, browsing forums, etc.
Yes, you will spend a lot of money on different software in the future if you are serious, though if you analyze and understand the FSG you don't need Market Samurai or similar to start, though i encourage you to download the trial while making first decisions.

The bottom line: Yes, the FSG is worth the money, to try and see for yourself for 7$ is a no brainer.
The proof: I bought it before 10 days, followed most of the steps exactly and at some points improvised but stayed in tune with what they say. Before some days Google indexed for first time my site. Today just now i come from work and is the first time my 7 day old web shows on a search result. 3 medium but with quite tough competition keywords. On the toughest one Its at page 3, on the other ones its at page 4 on the search results. And believe it or not - i am just next after Amazon itself,uuuuuuugh, and surrounded by Youtube and Wikipedia.

I have 2 posts and 1 photo, Zero Back links, 1 g+ / i gave it my self/, 0 facebook likes, and still haven't posted the most decisive post where the affiliate links will be, nor i have made any of the videos that i intended to make and post.

If that doesn't convince the unbelievers that BTF FSG is worth the money and had to be followed by the letter, you will never be convinced. Amen!

PS. Now i see that i am on the top of 2nd page my keyword+review. And i havent done any review yet!!! Nor " review"is in the domain title if you wonder

I just hardly got my first earnest site in arrangement right now and can't wait for it to get into Google.

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12 years ago

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Zack Sprague

12 years ago

Hows Mark Lings Affiliblueprint 3.0? I heard good things about it. I am considering buying it as I am going through affilorama.

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jabro 12 years ago

Originally Posted by flatbro94

Hows Mark Lings Affiliblueprint 3.0? I heard good things about it. I am considering buying it as I am going through affilorama.

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John34

12 years ago

I have BTF membership from some time now. I think the methods they teach are old school and i personally do not think you can rank sites using their methods specially after penguin update.

There is a thread in BTF forums "Are you making any money" (something similar) and you will notice many members are not making any sales even after building sites for 3-4 months.

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John34

12 years ago

I think they deleted the thread now.

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cypherslock

12 years ago

John, the methods DO work. There's one guy that used them to start up a consulting firm and make a million dollars over nine months. It is all in how you make the methods taught your own. BTF is one of the best courses out there and unlike a lot of thoers I've tried over the years, you get Mike and Kelly's full contact info (cell phone included) and the course is always updated.

There's actually a NEW thread just posted a few days ago. If you stick with the course, and participate in the forum, you'll make money. I know I have. This is the last course you'll need.

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devonm

12 years ago

The foot has spoken this minute and I got it. WILL pay the extra 40 something by Sat next week when the trial runs out. I KNOW IT! It is JUICY! I just took a VERY QUICK GANDER and yes, I like what I see.

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12 years ago

I have heard people rant and rave about how great it is but no one has every explained to me what the product is or what it is about.

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cypherslock

12 years ago

There's another update for it on here. Go look. READ the reviews and the sales page. It tells you everything you need to know.

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devonm

12 years ago

This ISN'T the my 2 cents crap. I am giving you a 1 MILLION dollar piece! IT S WORTH EVERY PENNY! If you are a beginner and don't quite have a solid "stand" on IM, you NEED this-REQUIRED! I got this from the Warrior forum special and am MADLY IN LOVE WITH IT! GET IT TODAY!

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Azlan.MY

12 years ago

Bring The Fresh is a good product, but the problem is you cannot rely on this course solely to make the money. They will ask you to purchase more products via their affiliate links, they recommend their link building service, Unique Article Wizard and more.

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cypherslock

12 years ago

Are you serious? Good lord. Um, yes you CAN make money with just Bring the Fresh, there's a ton of success stories out there. And the services or products they recommend are not "theirs" they don't own them. It's what they use. You're going to need to spend some to automate things.

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12 years ago

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KellyFelix

12 years ago

Hey guys, I thought it would be good for me to chime in, since there are a few folks who are confused, and others spreading a little mis-information, probably unintentionally.

Originally Posted by John34

I have BTF membership from some time now. I think the methods they teach are old school and i personally do not think you can rank sites using their methods specially after penguin update.

There is a thread in BTF forums "Are you making any money" (something similar) and you will notice many members are not making any sales even after building sites for 3-4 months.

Originally Posted by John34

I think they deleted the thread now.

Actually we've ranked over 200 sites on page 1 since Penguin. And earned $177k from free traffic since penguin. So I'm happy to say you are incorrect. The "success" section of our forum shows dozens of success stories after Penguin. I'm sorry you're having a tough time after Penguin. Feel free to skype me if you need a site reviewed?

Oh, and the thread you mentioned... you probably didn't realize it was posted in November 2010? Its not really relevant, being that old, and it was posted by a guy we had to ban because he was posting "not-safe-for-work" images. But I'm glad you got to see 20% of the people who replied were making good money with our methods! 1 out of every 5 people replied that BTF basically changed their life... that is outstanding! Most courses unfortunately have a success rate under 1%.

Originally Posted by Azlan.MY

Bring The Fresh is a good product, but the problem is you cannot rely on this course solely to make the money. They will ask you to purchase more products via their affiliate links, they recommend their link building service, Unique Article Wizard and more.

We only recommend products that are time-savers. If you prefer to do backlinking manually, then its absolutely free - the only thing it costs is your time.

Originally Posted by silyavski

Hi,
if you are newbie in doubt, please read carefully what i say, cause i am a newbie and before 2 weeks i bought the Start Guide:
The Bad:
1. The BTF forum is very good to read but I did not like it. Why? Because nobody cares about you and your questions. They only answer if the question interests them. Not Kelly, i am speaking about the members there. Don't waste time with the forum, here you will be answered faster.
2.prepare yourself to read hype emails and bla bla bla about this and that, while you are sweating how to make your first site.
3. there is some stuff in the Start guide that is outdated and needs some reFreshing, nevertheless its true to the letter, just the means have to be updated.

Now the good:
1. Its like Jesus teaching you the Bible step by step. You don't grasp all, but somehow you feel its something clever and true.
2.So do not bother with anything else and be jumpy about making money, just read the damned Start guide 100 times and follow it step by step. My advice here is not to hurry and take yourself a week or better like 10 days while building your first web. Question what he says, search explanation on the web, learn but follow it to the letter! I grasped right at the start that if i understand what he says willl save me time in the long run. I believe that at the 5th web i make, for half a day i can finish everything, from start to end, including writing some articles. This one took me 8 days though.

Conclusion:
No, you will not implement the guide and build your first web for 1h, you will not make money the first week or understand what you are doing without sitting in front of the computer 12h a day, browsing forums, etc.
Yes, you will spend a lot of money on different software in the future if you are serious, though if you analyze and understand the FSG you don't need Market Samurai or similar to start, though i encourage you to download the trial while making first decisions.

The bottom line: Yes, the FSG is worth the money, to try and see for yourself for 7$ is a no brainer.
The proof: I bought it before 10 days, followed most of the steps exactly and at some points improvised but stayed in tune with what they say. Before some days Google indexed for first time my site. Today just now i come from work and is the first time my 7 day old web shows on a search result. 3 medium but with quite tough competition keywords. On the toughest one Its at page 3, on the other ones its at page 4 on the search results. And believe it or not - i am just next after Amazon itself,uuuuuuugh, and surrounded by Youtube and Wikipedia.

I have 2 posts and 1 photo, Zero Back links, 1 g+ / i gave it my self/, 0 facebook likes, and still haven't posted the most decisive post where the affiliate links will be, nor i have made any of the videos that i intended to make and post.

If that doesn't convince the unbelievers that BTF FSG is worth the money and had to be followed by the letter, you will never be convinced. Amen!

PS. Now i see that i am on the top of 2nd page my keyword+review. And i havent done any review yet!!! Nor " review"is in the domain title if you wonder

First off, I'm glad you're having success! And I'm glad you believe BTF is worth the cost.

Regarding our forum, I have to respectfully disagree, when you say that other members don't care about you. In fact I've never seen anything quite like our members - they genuinely care about one another, encourage one another, and they show not only their websites, but exactly how they ranked them and how they made money with them, which is extremely rare. You also won't find any fighting or negativity either, because we don't allow it.

I also disagree about the fast start guide not being updated. I personally update it twice a month. Make sure you have the latest version at all times!

But again, I'm so glad you like our stuff, for the most part, and that you're having success!

Originally Posted by cypherslock

Are you serious? Good lord. Um, yes you CAN make money with just Bring the Fresh, there's a ton of success stories out there. And the services or products they recommend are not "theirs" they don't own them. It's what they use. You're going to need to spend some to automate things.

Thanks! We have so many success stories and testimonials that we don't know what to do with them... I've never seen anything like it. It also helps to have members like you who "get it". Fortunately we have the lowest refund rate of any Clickbank product in our industry (currently 8%), so that indicates most people are also understanding and enjoying the material as well.

Clickbank executives actually contacted us a few days ago to do an interview about how we are able to maintain such a high rate of satisfaction and a low refund rate. They want to use us as a case study to teach other vendors how to take care of their customers. We think that says quite a lot.

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buzzword

11 years ago

Wow. Let's be honest here.
I love the way Kelly wordsmiths his response. Unless you are on the inside, you'd have to seriously read between the lines to understand the truth.

Originally Posted by KellyFelix

Hey guys, I thought it would be good for me to chime in, since there are a few folks who are confused, and others spreading a little mis-information, probably unintentionally.

Great way he plants this seed of doubt in your mind by subconsciously calling the negative reviews "mis-information", and then quickly apologizing for their behavior.

Originally Posted by KellyFelix

Actually we've ranked over 200 sites on page 1 since Penguin. And earned $177k from free traffic since penguin. So I'm happy to say you are incorrect. The "success" section of our forum shows dozens of success stories after Penguin. I'm sorry you're having a tough time after Penguin. Feel free to skype me if you need a site reviewed?

You will NEVER, and I mean NEVER... hear about the sites that do NOT make it. If they've ranked over 200 sites, how many did NOT make it? 200 sounds awesome. Until you hear that they had a total of 2,000+ sites to start with. It's all in perspective here. As long as he doesn't mention the ones that failed, why should you even think about them? YOU SHOULD!! And the forum shows "DOZENS of success stories". ... but he has THOUSANDS of members. Again... if you only tell HALF of the story, it ALL sounds good.

Originally Posted by KellyFelix

Oh, and the thread you mentioned... you probably didn't realize it was posted in November 2010? Its not really relevant, being that old, and it was posted by a guy we had to ban because he was posting "not-safe-for-work" images. But I'm glad you got to see 20% of the people who replied were making good money with our methods! 1 out of every 5 people replied that BTF basically changed their life... that is outstanding! Most courses unfortunately have a success rate under 1%.

This is another irritating part not often mentioned about the GREAT FORUM. You will NEVER... and again, I mean NEVER hear anything from the members who are NOT finding success with their program. Especially the Done-For-You (DFY) program. I also saw posts that were visible for a short period of time that suddenly disappeared. It happens DAILY! Funny thing is... they are all the REST OF THE STORY. The REAL, MAJORITY of the results, that Kelly and Mike will NEVER let you see. They have full time Moderators constantly scanning the forum for this one reason. "Do NOT let ANY negative posts remain on the forum." The entire DFY thread there consists of people who posted comments like,

"I am going to do this! I bought my site(s) today!"
"I'm so excited! I'll keep you informed on how much money I make!"
"I got my sites, and they are being built. I'll let you know when I get rich!"

Yet... All of these excited people seem to secretly disappear from the forum. If you count the number of members who posted "Here I go!" comments and the number of them who actually came back to follow up... Well... the "less than 1%" that Kelly mentioned might be his way of trying to squeeze some personal truth into his post above.

I wondered about that myself. At first you WANT to believe that they all found success and therefore just don't come back to the forum because they are rolling in the dough. And, with the periodic emails distributed by Kelly and Mike announcing that "another member with a DFY site just made $$$,$$$,$$$ in ## days!!! GET YOURS NOW!!" .. they make sure you are continously smothered in the positive reinforcements.

How do I KNOW? Well, I bought in to the snake oil sales pitch too. I bought the DFY Deluxe (two site) option. It's been months since I bought them, and they never made it to page one. In fact, one never broke the top 100! And, unless you send an email to Mario asking for a status, you won't get one. (He's busy.) And, yet, they continue to "open the doors for just 10 more sites" again and again. With the price of their sites, that's another $10,000 every time they open the door!! Must be nice... FOR THEM.

I made contact with 6 other members who were in that DFY thread, and all 6 shared their horror stories with me. Anywhere from just giving up, to fighting chargebacks for a few hundreds against a company that's making tens of thousands monthly.

I understand no one is successful 100% of the time. If you simply can't do what you so lavishly bragged about, why not admit it and refund the money? If the number of failures is truly as low as they claim, why not refund those few that failed? (think about it.)

The "$177K from free traffic" ??? Not hard to see how that adds up. The DFY purchases also explain some of the screen shots from all the accounts they show making money too. But, you can't forget the affiliate links they have embedded into all of their programs, they are squeezing $100s out of their members. Just look at their sequence of upsells:

BRING THE FRESH is the best program around!
unless.... you want to see the "rest of the story", in which case, you'll also need the...
FULL DISCLOSURE program shows you the "Insider's Secrets"
unless.... you also want to be shown HOW we do it, in which case, you'll also need the...
PROJECT PROFITS program
(each of which are ~$67/month for ~6 months)

Originally Posted by KellyFelix

We only recommend products that are time-savers. If you prefer to do backlinking manually, then its absolutely free - the only thing it costs is your time.

...but remember, the "recommendations" come via affiliate links!!

Originally Posted by KellyFelix

First off, I'm glad you're having success! And I'm glad you believe BTF is worth the cost.

Regarding our forum, I have to respectfully disagree, when you say that other members don't care about you. In fact I've never seen anything quite like our members - they genuinely care about one another, encourage one another, and they show not only their websites, but exactly how they ranked them and how they made money with them, which is extremely rare. You also won't find any fighting or negativity either, because we don't allow it.

It would be closer to the truth to have said, "It is extremely rare that our members show their websites, how they rank them, and how they made money with them."
I agree the forum does have members posting websites. However, those posts are more likely to be, "Here's my website: www.mysite .com... can you tell me what's wrong with it? I can't get it ranked. (or) I'm not getting any traffic. (or) I'm not making sales."

Originally Posted by KellyFelix

Fortunately we have the lowest refund rate of any Clickbank product in our industry (currently 8%), so that indicates most people are also understanding and enjoying the material as well.

It helps by simply stating upfront, "YOU WILL NOT GET A REFUND".
Again... I know. I've asked for the DFY "failure" to be refunded. Straight from Customer Support:

We do not issue refunds on the DFY sites.
Thanks,
Sarah Osborne
Bring the Fresh

So, Bottom line...
If you are even thinking about the DFY sites they offer, make sure you understand this:

You are guaranteed a Page 1 ranking.... but you are NOT GUARANTEED it will be accomplished in any given time period. They can take as long as they need!! (Years?)
If, after six months, they can't do it, they'll simply start over for you. (Isn't that nice?) But, you will NOT get your money back.

You are NOT GUARANTEED to make any money. They tell you this. However, they will help you to sell your sites when you finally decide to stop waiting. You MIGHT make back the money it costs you to register and host them!

Paying $1,000+ for NOTHING in return... Sorry Kelly. Bad business.

And, I'm not the only one.

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Chiayee 11 years ago

Originally Posted by KellyFelix

I also disagree about the fast start guide not being updated. I personally update it twice a month. Make sure you have the latest version at all times!

Hi Kelly:

Today is 16th of November, and the FSG has not been updated since September, i.e. before the Google's EMD algo change.

I am eager to see the update.

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BigAlrosen

11 years ago

BTF has way too many upsells....that is how they are making their money! Most of the videos are outdated from 2010...lol. I have to give it to them, they do know how to sell to complete newbies!

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hiimjones

11 years ago

Unfortunately I bought two DFY sites as well almost 6 months ago, one site was sitting at page 7 at one point for around a day or so, after that I never saw it again. The second site I have never found in google. (stopped looking after page 20)

If you ask them questions about how it's going, the only thing I hear anyway is that

'we just sent more backlinks, we will now have to wait a couple weeks.

Or

'we just re-did the sites, we will now have to wait a couple weeks'

I was told that on average it took 2-3 months for sites like the ones that I bought to rank, as I mentioned it has now been almost 6 months and they are nowhere.

as buzzword said, apparently there's no time limit and they refuse to give you a refund even though you are not getting what you have paid for.

I have also asked on two occasions of whether they will pay for two new domains both purchased for 5 years which is what I paid for as per their recommendation if they build two new sites and have not received a reply, one person dodged the question and the other one has not replied at all.

Now, let's get to what REALLY pisses me off.

I filed a dispute with paypal a couple hours ago regardless of the fact that they said no refunds on DFY's because again I don't feel like I am getting what I paid for and they just keep coming up with excuses to why nothing is happening and asking me to wait longer.

So what happened after I did this? Within minutes, my Bring the fresh AND Project Profits which I have been paying $70 a month for 6 months (All in all around $500) banned. Can't access anything. Account inactive.

Did I get the refund?

Nope.

Did anyone get back to me to regarding why I now can't access the products I have spent roughly $500 for?

Nope.

This is a real shame because I loved BTF when I first joined, I made my first clickbank money with the information I learned from there, my first adsense money and overall SEO. Project Profits is an excellent program as well. Have been enjoying the webinars Mike and Kelly have held, always lots of useful information.

So to anyone who wants to learn SEO, Bring The Fresh and Project Profits is great. Go ahead.

But with the DFY's, instead of now either giving me a refund or at least give me an explanation, I get banned. Project Profits isn't even related to this and this is something I paid a lot of money for.

So again as buzzword said, so far my $1200 has given nothing in return, and the ~$500 I spent on becoming a member of BTF and Project Profits, I can't even access anymore.

Hoping to hear from someone from BTF about this shortly, preferably Kelly or Mike.

And again, I am NOT bashing Bring The Fresh or Project Profits, I am just not happy at all with their dfy's

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jon poland 11 years ago

Buzzword & Hiimjones:

I'm curious about these DFY sites -- are they continually adding unique content to these sites or are these sites just thin affiliate sites with a bunch of backlinks?

We are now in a new era of SEO. The thin affiliate site with a bunch of backlinks is no longer an effective business model. It may work from time to time. But as a "reliable and sustainable" business model that you can count on, forget it. It's not going to happen.

In my opinion the only way these DFY sites are going to rank is if they are adding unique and original content to them on a consistent basis. Are the DFY site builders from BTF doing this?

In this new era of SEO you have to give Google what Google wants. Google wants original content. And the more original content your give Google, the better off you and your rankings will be.

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hiimjones

11 years ago

Jon: Last time my sites were updated with new content was in early August. Two posts and four pages in total. I think that is actually mentioned in the sales thread for their DFY's so that does not really bother me, what bothers me is that the sites are nowhere to be found and that I no longer have access to products that cost me around $500

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jon poland

11 years ago

Originally Posted by hiimjones

Jon: Last time my sites were updated with new content was in early August. Two posts and four pages in total. I think that is actually mentioned in the sales thread for their DFY's so that does not really bother me, what bothers me is that the sites are nowhere to be found and that I no longer have access to products that cost me around $500

Hiimjones:

I don't blame you for being upset. You have ever right to feel that way based on what was promised to you and what was delivered.

It looks like the DFY sales page (and how they build their sites) needs to be updated to reflect the new changes in how Google ranks sites. Two posts and four pages in total is not going to rank for much in this new world of SEO that we find ourselves in today. Sure, there may be exceptions. But as a whole, thin affiliate sites are "Dead."

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buzzword

11 years ago

Originally Posted by jon poland

Hiimjones:

I don't blame you for being upset. You have ever right to feel that way based on what was promised to you and what was delivered.

It looks like the DFY sales page (and how they build their sites) needs to be updated to reflect the new changes in how Google ranks sites. Two posts and four pages in total is not going to rank for much in this new world of SEO that we find ourselves in today. Sure, there may be exceptions. But as a whole, thin affiliate sites are "Dead."

Oh... they updated the sales page already. (I can only assume they were losing some legal battles over the wordage of their promise.) The sales page previously GUARANTEED a FIRST PAGE listing...not any more. It's probably a good thing I saved the Complete WebPage on the day I made my purchase. If anyone else needs this information, you can PM me. If you plan on making a case for a chargeback, you'll probably need this.

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Jamie Lewis

11 years ago

Yeah the thing alot of people don't understand is Penguin is GREAT.

90% of the content generated by affiliates out there is CRAP. So if you can do better than CRAP you beat them!

Thanks Goog!!

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jon poland

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis

Yeah the thing alot of people don't understand is Penguin is GREAT.

90% of the content generated by affiliates out there is CRAP. So if you can do better than CRAP you beat them!

Thanks Goog!!

Jamie:

Very well said. I agree with you 100%. I actually look forward to Google updates. They are weeding out the crap and rewarding people who are creating unique and original content.

SEO is not dead. It's alive and well. There is just a new set of rules that search marketers have to play by. And I like it.

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Chiayee

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis

Yeah the thing alot of people don't understand is Penguin is GREAT.

90% of the content generated by affiliates out there is CRAP. So if you can do better than CRAP you beat them!

Thanks Goog!!

Ok so what you want to say about BTF really?

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AlmightyGreg

11 years ago

the guy behind it sure has a pretty long and interesting credential to backup all of his claims I tell you that much. I think his product is legit

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JohnPeters1983

11 years ago

Checked it out and everything is outdated! Some videos are from 2010 which obviously wouldn't work today. The FSG is since September...thought you updated every month? Seems like they are just relying on their upsells and Greg Morrisons OMG. Good thing I checked my friend's copy...I Will Pass!

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Chiayee

11 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnPeters1983

Checked it out and everything is outdated! Some videos are from 2010 which obviously wouldn't work today. The FSG is since September...thought you updated every month? Seems like they are just relying on their upsells and Greg Morrisons OMG. Good thing I checked my friend's copy...I Will Pass!

I have to say.. You nailed it!

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rockapreneur 11 years ago

Crap, someone is building me a funnel for this right now. I told him to switch to this because I liked the name better than Coffeeshop Millionaire, which was the other option.
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cypherslock

11 years ago

Yes, there are testimonials on the page, in the forums etc. And everything's been updated for 2013.

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Fazal Mayar

11 years ago

yes its amazing how crappy content affiliates make these days. Its time for us legit affiliate marketers to create good content and to profit of it and to the community too. Penguin looked like crap but i think it was fair for affiliates and BTF is an awesome product btw

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KellyFelix

11 years ago