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Hey warriors,

What are your opinions on bring the fresh? Is a good course for newbies? Please let me know your experiences with the course.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
    A product that has some credibility but with their new hypey sales letter it just throws the credibility right out the window! They have follow for the hypey sales letters just like the rest of the guru's.
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  • Profile picture of the author lordkensal
    Bring The Fresh is a great course, because it takes an "over the shoulder approach". The guys basically walk you through the steps they take. Can be a bit rambling in places, but they are actually "doing" the stuff they are teaching. Some of the techniques they teach are really powerful, like "Launch Jacking" and Video Jacking. They guys seem really down to earth, and while the navigation could be better, the course is still really good.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shemp Hain
      Originally Posted by lordkensal View Post

      Bring The Fresh is a great course, because it takes an "over the shoulder approach". The guys basically walk you through the steps they take. Can be a bit rambling in places, but they are actually "doing" the stuff they are teaching. Some of the techniques they teach are really powerful, like "Launch Jacking" and Video Jacking. They guys seem really down to earth, and while the navigation could be better, the course is still really good.
      What about the fact that the 90% of the "over the shoulder" approach dealt with article spinning? The quick-start guide was average and I got so fed up with Mystery and the "pick up girls" niche. One positive was the forum, which is very active and informational.

      I won't be checking out BTF 2012 so I can't comment on any new content but as far as I'm concerned I believe there are better courses out there like Affiloblueprint 3, and Adsense 100k.

      Stay away from Google Sniper and Extreme Niche Empires. Your sites will drop faster than some girls pants after you follow some of Mystery's pick-up-tricks.

      Holy crap. I just finished typing this and I found the website http://www.projectprofits.com/
      This is not an affiliate link.

      It is a course by Mike Long and Kelly Felix. I can't believe how long the damn sales-page is.... oh wait they had to include pictures of their childhood and the projects they lived in lol. Anyway, I scrolled halfway down the page and there it was... a computer titled V-Books#2 and what was on the screen? SOME CRAP ABOUT MYSTERY turning corduroy wearing nerds into chick magnets. When will this stop. They need to quit beating a dead horse.
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            • Profile picture of the author Drew Cleveland
              Sorry if I offended you, that wasn't my intention. If you took the bulk of my post into consideration instead of the last sentence I think you would feel differently.

              The main point of my post was directed towards my opinion that BTF is easy to follow, if you follow the right steps (like read the fast start guide). I was also pointing out that you should engage your self with the community.

              I only bashed Sean because in the same post you said one of his products was excellent and Mike and Kelly's Bring The Fresh easily confuses newbies. Thats why I compared the two.

              I wasnt trying to piss you off, I was just trying to point out that BTF is easy to follow. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

              Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

              You really need to learn how to read before opening that big mouth of yours.



              This is what I was replying to, I never compared Bring the Fresh to Extreme Niche Empires.



              And this was my reply.

              I never compared Bring the Fresh to Extreme Niche Empires. I never bashed Kelly or Mike because they know their stuff and I am a Bring the Fresh member, I only said that it would seem confusing to a newbie and with that being said, I am not a newbie.


              So again, I never bashed them unlike yourself bashing Sean.
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Drew,
                I only bashed Sean because
                ... because you don't seem to understand the rules.

                Bashing people will probably not bring you a result you'll like. Please don't.


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        • Profile picture of the author Shemp Hain
          Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

          I also thought that a few of the article spinning videos were long an drawn out, watching mike spin every word in a 45 minute video was agonizing, he could of just spun every word in just one paragraph so that he gets his point across.



          I haven't tried Affiloblueprint by Mark Ling but he is top notch.




          You can't be serious, Google sniper by George Brown and Extreme niche Empires by Sean Donahoe are both excellent products, I am still using Extreme niche Empire core technique in all my sites and doing quite well with them.

          Getting back on topic, I think that Bring the Fresh has a ton of great info but I really don't care for how the site is structured in a non step by step way where a newbie can be quite easily confused.
          I purchased Google Sniper and I found the methods George uses to target one keyword for a mini-site just isn't applicable anymore post Google updates. Now, I'm not sure if he updated his eBook or added extra videos post Panda.

          With Sean Donahoe... All of the sites I set up with Extreme Niche Empires got SLAMMED AND THEY GOT SLAMMED HARD. His system pulls content from other sources and posts them directly on your site. I was getting hits at first but it WAS NOT TARGETED TRAFFIC. I had a very broad keyword for learning guitar and I was pulling yahoo questions about GIRLS HAVING GETTING THEIR FIRST PERIODS. I set everything up properly and I had horrible results. I only began getting my rankings back after I pulled all the cron-job crap I had to set up. Plus the support was HORRIBLE!

          I would definitely opt for BTF over these two courses, any day. I'm sure that people have probably made good money with BTF, but as my personal opinion I prefer stuff from Brian Johnson, Matt Carter, and Mark Ling.
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  • Profile picture of the author crosshairs
    BTF is great!

    You get training that has recently updated plus an extremely active and friendly forum. The hidden value is in the info members share in the private forum. No trolls there either.

    I've been a member to over a year and it is one of the few products I've continued using long term.
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    • Profile picture of the author GaryBurke
      Originally Posted by crosshairs View Post

      BTF is great!

      You get training that has recently updated plus an extremely active and friendly forum. The hidden value is in the info members share in the private forum. No trolls there either.

      I've been a member to over a year and it is one of the few products I've continued using long term.
      Are you making any good money with what you are learning in the course
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  • BTF is a site that is great for people starting IF they follow instructions and don't get side tracked.

    I Like BTF because the people involved are "clever" and busy looking into what's going on with IM. For example, they have prepared SEO methods to apply post Google penguin to assist your sites scrutiny by Google.

    As well, I have found that they are not "peddlers", they have a site where they feed information into which is current and relevant - you don't get emails promoting the next best thing.

    So my impression of this site is that it is very worthwhile.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chiayee
    I am a member (basic level) since 2010. The quality of the course is top notch.

    What impressed me the most is the customer support.

    Both Mike and Kelly actively participate in forum discussions. I've personally talked to Kelly few times via Skype. He's very helpful.

    Most others gurus outsourced their support to team who don't know squat about internet marketing. And, it often get days before you hear a reply. Sometimes the support tickets go unanswered.

    Now in case you are wondering.. Yes. I've made money with method taught in BTF
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  • Profile picture of the author Chiayee
    I am a member (basic level) since 2010. The quality of the course is top notch.

    What impressed me the most is the customer support.

    Both Mike and Kelly actively participate in forum discussions. I've personally talked to Kelly few times via Skype. He's very helpful.

    Most others gurus outsourced their support to team who don't know squat about internet marketing. And, it often get days before you hear a reply. Sometimes the support tickets go unanswered.
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  • Profile picture of the author elliec
    Apart from Chiayee, has anyone made money using their methods? Sounds like a longer term strategy which is ok but can you make good money following their guide?
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Look above, there's a ton of links there for you. And a case study as well. Should be enough?
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  • Profile picture of the author elliec
    Ok cypherslock....I looked at the "above" and nowhere, nowhere does anyone say anything about making money. The "case study" led to a thread that was closed! Many rave about the product and the teaching methods, yada, yada, yada.....does anyone EVER say they are making money following the process? I want to believe it is a good product. I also want to follow something that will lead me into a steady income stream. I am sick and tired of people raving on willy nilly about the wonders of some product but never saying...."I followed the xyz method and am making $300 per day, or week or month" . People need to stop this airy fairy BS and get down to the reality.....ARE YOU MAKING ANY MONEY WITH IT! This is not an assault on BTF, it is an assault on people who join this IM community.
    Bottom line - we are all here to find a way to make money. Full Stop. WHY do people just rattle on about "customer support is great" or "he gives out his cell phone number"(which is awesome BTW) but for craps sake folks....ARE YOU MAKING ANY MONEY?? You can study all you want. You can buy until the cows come home but.....who, besides the folks on the sales video (which I am sure are real) is making money?? Tell me please I want to know.....
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    • Profile picture of the author bfas
      Originally Posted by elliec View Post

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      I also want to follow something that will lead me into a steady income stream.

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      Hi Ellie,

      BTF is a course teaching numerous strategies, tactics, and business models. In all cases, you have to apply what is being taught.

      You say you want to follow something that will lead to a steady income stream. I can tell you both from direct, personal experience, and that of many people on my forum - the strategies BTF teaches work if followed. I'd be comfortable saying to anyone, if you follow what's there, with some consistency of effort, you'll find that steady income stream.

      I know Kelly & Mike on a casual basis from having been a member there, and a few other endeavors. Both are honest, best-in-class internet marketers. Both have a long track record of integrity and success. What they teach are practical, real-world methods that work.

      I launched my Adsense course on BTF back in 2010, applying some of the tactics I picked up there. Others on BTF promoted my course using tactics taught there. My course became - and remains - a best-seller.

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      • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
        Originally Posted by vt733 View Post

        I wouldn't have said it any better
        There are many testimonials in the forum that prove people are and not just a little money either, they also share HOW they did it in detail. But you have to get in to see obviously. All I know is, once I found BtF, I stopped buying programs.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Suggestion: Pay the $7 and see for yourself. The success thread in the BTF forum is overflowing. One fellow I know made $1million in nine months by taking what was in BTF and using his own twist. I've used the techniques to land offline clients that I'm currently working with. So yea I'm making money with it. In fact, I quit buying courses after BTF and haven't even upgraded to Full Disclosure yet. As for a specific dollar amount? Let's just say I get paid very well and don't do a whole lot of grunt work.
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    • Profile picture of the author elliec
      Originally Posted by cypherslock View Post

      Suggestion: Pay the $7 and see for yourself. The success thread in the BTF forum is overflowing. One fellow I know made $1million in nine months by taking what was in BTF and using his own twist. I've used the techniques to land offline clients that I'm currently working with. So yea I'm making money with it. In fact, I quit buying courses after BTF and haven't even upgraded to Full Disclosure yet. As for a specific dollar amount? Let's just say I get paid very well and don't do a whole lot of grunt work.
      I think you meant $97...

      You being "paid very well" is what I wanted to hear from someone! Thank you!

      Off to check it out....and like you, I don't buy anything anymore...reason why I wanted to hear some facts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chiayee
    hey Elliec:

    there are tons of case studies in BTF forums.

    In case you need helps or have questions, feel free to PM me !

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  • Profile picture of the author elliec
    Thanks Michael.

    I also see now that there are reviews substantiating some serious revenue claims in the WSO area of the WF. I did not realize this course was still offered as a WSO which is why $7 was mentioned in the post by cypher above. Can't beat that intro price or the WSO for something that actually has "real" people claiming "real" income! Eureka!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom22
    Here's an interesting negative review I found via a Google search:
    Bring The Fresh Project Profits - My HONEST UNBIASED Review
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    • Profile picture of the author highrider21
      Originally Posted by Tom22 View Post

      Here's an interesting negative review I found via a Google search:
      Bring The Fresh Project Profits - My HONEST UNBIASED Review
      Thanks for that, I was considering buying Project Profits but now I don't think I will.

      For the original poster, bought BTF about a year ago and used followed their fast start guide to build one website. I invested $70 total into the website and backlinking and got it to rank #3 on the first page. But I guess I chose the wrong keyword because it only made me about $1 per month and I made one sale of a clickbank product for $20. After a year (when the domain name expired) I think I about broke even. Also, that website got kicked off the first page after the Penguin update. I don't know how effective their new updated FSG is though. I got distracted and didn't build any other websites following the BTF fast start guide.

      I think if you follow their FSG you will have a good chance of ranking eventually (it took that website about 2-3 months to get to the first page). But the thing about BTF that I don't like is their teaching style. Their fast start guide was kind of difficult to understand - how they explain setting up the wordpress site and everything, and the second half of the FSG, the "Meta Strategies, Organization, and Sex and the Story" sections didn't really make much sense to me and I was wondering why they put that in their ebook. I couldn't understand the point that they were making.

      Then the videos in the members area are pretty long - about 30-45 min each and it's basically just them rambling on about some aspect of IM or some method without any clear instructions or step-by-step advice. So I found their videos hard to understand, it was good information I just didn't know how to implement it. And then they have videos with them interviewing each other on some aspect of IM and success which I never really bothered to watch any of them. Overall they don't seem to give you any really clear actionable advice other than their fast start guide, the rest is just them taking forever to explain some IM concept or method in a very vague way.

      Their forum however is really good and has a huge amount of active threads with really good information, so it probably is worth the price just for the forum.

      That is just my opinion of BTF.
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      • Profile picture of the author jabro
        Originally Posted by highrider21 View Post

        Thanks for that, I was considering buying Project Profits but now I don't think I will.

        For the original poster, bought BTF about a year ago and used followed their fast start guide to build one website. I invested $70 total into the website and backlinking and got it to rank #3 on the first page. But I guess I chose the wrong keyword because it only made me about $1 per month and I made one sale of a clickbank product for $20. After a year (when the domain name expired) I think I about broke even. Also, that website got kicked off the first page after the Penguin update. I don't know how effective their new updated FSG is though. I got distracted and didn't build any other websites following the BTF fast start guide.

        I think if you follow their FSG you will have a good chance of ranking eventually (it took that website about 2-3 months to get to the first page). But the thing about BTF that I don't like is their teaching style. Their fast start guide was kind of difficult to understand - how they explain setting up the wordpress site and everything, and the second half of the FSG, the "Meta Strategies, Organization, and Sex and the Story" sections didn't really make much sense to me and I was wondering why they put that in their ebook. I couldn't understand the point that they were making.

        Then the videos in the members area are pretty long - about 30-45 min each and it's basically just them rambling on about some aspect of IM or some method without any clear instructions or step-by-step advice. So I found their videos hard to understand, it was good information I just didn't know how to implement it. And then they have videos with them interviewing each other on some aspect of IM and success which I never really bothered to watch any of them. Overall they don't seem to give you any really clear actionable advice other than their fast start guide, the rest is just them taking forever to explain some IM concept or method in a very vague way.

        Their forum however is really good and has a huge amount of active threads with really good information, so it probably is worth the price just for the forum.

        That is just my opinion of BTF.
        I was on the webinar they did with Mark Ling to promote AffiloBlueprint 3.0. Mike would not shut the hell up. He constantly interrupted Mark during the entire thing to bring up points he made multiple times before including to always remind everyone to buy AffiloBlueprint through them for the bonuses. You can tell Mark was irritated for being constantly being interrupted like he was. He couldn't get barely more than a sentence in before being interrupted again and again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chiayee
    Look like I am not the only one who was annoyed with Mike's presentation style

    Highrider21 brings up some valid points. I found some of the BTF videos to be waste of time, especially for a non native English speaker like me.

    Having said that, the BTF method has helped my sites rank. I joined the site two years ago. Since then, there were multiple updates.

    In addition, the forum members are always ready to help. There are some solid tips too.
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    • Profile picture of the author jabro
      Originally Posted by Chiayee View Post

      Look like I am not the only one who was annoyed with Mike's presentation style

      Highrider21 brings up some valid points. I found some of the BTF videos to be waste of time, especially for a non native English speaker like me.

      Having said that, the BTF method has helped my sites rank. I joined the site two years ago. Since then, there were multiple updates.

      In addition, the forum members are always ready to help. There are some solid tips too.
      I agree with that. BTF is a solid course.
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  • Profile picture of the author ProServices
    BTF has been recommended by many. But like with everything, you have to be focused and take action to succeed. So many people give up taking consistent action and I am included.
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  • Profile picture of the author Drew Cleveland
    awesome course. one of my top recommended on my review site!
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  • Profile picture of the author KellyFelix
    Nice to see some familiar faces in here! I'm not going to comment on any specific review, since everyone is entitled to their opinions (even if they are mistaken ). I prefer to let results speak for themselves, so here's a link to a screen capture I took from our forum today, showing the last dozen threads, with the results our members are having:

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  • Profile picture of the author Cliff Carrigan
    Hey guys, I'm a firm believer in one-page-mini sites, and in my experience, they still do very well. BTF may not have had time yet to update some strategies, but overall the whole process is still spot-on because it is based on basic fundamentals.
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  • Profile picture of the author silyavski
    Hi,
    if you are newbie in doubt, please read carefully what i say, cause i am a newbie and before 2 weeks i bought the Start Guide:
    The Bad:
    1. The BTF forum is very good to read but I did not like it. Why? Because nobody cares about you and your questions. They only answer if the question interests them. Not Kelly, i am speaking about the members there. Don't waste time with the forum, here you will be answered faster.
    2.prepare yourself to read hype emails and bla bla bla about this and that, while you are sweating how to make your first site.
    3. there is some stuff in the Start guide that is outdated and needs some reFreshing, nevertheless its true to the letter, just the means have to be updated.

    Now the good:
    1. Its like Jesus teaching you the Bible step by step. You don't grasp all, but somehow you feel its something clever and true.
    2.So do not bother with anything else and be jumpy about making money, just read the damned Start guide 100 times and follow it step by step. My advice here is not to hurry and take yourself a week or better like 10 days while building your first web. Question what he says, search explanation on the web, learn but follow it to the letter! I grasped right at the start that if i understand what he says willl save me time in the long run. I believe that at the 5th web i make, for half a day i can finish everything, from start to end, including writing some articles. This one took me 8 days though.

    Conclusion:
    No, you will not implement the guide and build your first web for 1h, you will not make money the first week or understand what you are doing without sitting in front of the computer 12h a day, browsing forums, etc.
    Yes, you will spend a lot of money on different software in the future if you are serious, though if you analyze and understand the FSG you don't need Market Samurai or similar to start, though i encourage you to download the trial while making first decisions.

    The bottom line: Yes, the FSG is worth the money, to try and see for yourself for 7$ is a no brainer.
    The proof: I bought it before 10 days, followed most of the steps exactly and at some points improvised but stayed in tune with what they say. Before some days Google indexed for first time my site. Today just now i come from work and is the first time my 7 day old web shows on a search result. 3 medium but with quite tough competition keywords. On the toughest one Its at page 3, on the other ones its at page 4 on the search results. And believe it or not - i am just next after Amazon itself,uuuuuuugh, and surrounded by Youtube and Wikipedia.

    I have 2 posts and 1 photo, Zero Back links, 1 g+ / i gave it my self/, 0 facebook likes, and still haven't posted the most decisive post where the affiliate links will be, nor i have made any of the videos that i intended to make and post.

    If that doesn't convince the unbelievers that BTF FSG is worth the money and had to be followed by the letter, you will never be convinced. Amen!

    PS. Now i see that i am on the top of 2nd page my keyword+review. And i havent done any review yet!!! Nor " review"is in the domain title if you wonder
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    • Profile picture of the author devonm
      Originally Posted by silyavski View Post

      Hi,
      if you are newbie in doubt, please read carefully what i say, cause i am a newbie and before 2 weeks i bought the Start Guide:
      The Bad:
      1. The BTF forum is very good to read but I did not like it. Why? Because nobody cares about you and your questions. They only answer if the question interests them. Not Kelly, i am speaking about the members there. Don't waste time with the forum, here you will be answered faster.
      2.prepare yourself to read hype emails and bla bla bla about this and that, while you are sweating how to make your first site.
      3. there is some stuff in the Start guide that is outdated and needs some reFreshing, nevertheless its true to the letter, just the means have to be updated.

      Now the good:
      1. Its like Jesus teaching you the Bible step by step. You don't grasp all, but somehow you feel its something clever and true.
      2.So do not bother with anything else and be jumpy about making money, just read the damned Start guide 100 times and follow it step by step. My advice here is not to hurry and take yourself a week or better like 10 days while building your first web. Question what he says, search explanation on the web, learn but follow it to the letter! I grasped right at the start that if i understand what he says willl save me time in the long run. I believe that at the 5th web i make, for half a day i can finish everything, from start to end, including writing some articles. This one took me 8 days though.

      Conclusion:
      No, you will not implement the guide and build your first web for 1h, you will not make money the first week or understand what you are doing without sitting in front of the computer 12h a day, browsing forums, etc.
      Yes, you will spend a lot of money on different software in the future if you are serious, though if you analyze and understand the FSG you don't need Market Samurai or similar to start, though i encourage you to download the trial while making first decisions.

      The bottom line: Yes, the FSG is worth the money, to try and see for yourself for 7$ is a no brainer.
      The proof: I bought it before 10 days, followed most of the steps exactly and at some points improvised but stayed in tune with what they say. Before some days Google indexed for first time my site. Today just now i come from work and is the first time my 7 day old web shows on a search result. 3 medium but with quite tough competition keywords. On the toughest one Its at page 3, on the other ones its at page 4 on the search results. And believe it or not - i am just next after Amazon itself,uuuuuuugh, and surrounded by Youtube and Wikipedia.

      I have 2 posts and 1 photo, Zero Back links, 1 g+ / i gave it my self/, 0 facebook likes, and still haven't posted the most decisive post where the affiliate links will be, nor i have made any of the videos that i intended to make and post.

      If that doesn't convince the unbelievers that BTF FSG is worth the money and had to be followed by the letter, you will never be convinced. Amen!

      PS. Now i see that i am on the top of 2nd page my keyword+review. And i havent done any review yet!!! Nor " review"is in the domain title if you wonder
      I just hardly got my first earnest site in arrangement right now and can't wait for it to get into Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author TrafficBot
    There is a youtube video that walks you through the members area inside Bring The Fresh:

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  • Profile picture of the author Zack Sprague
    Hows Mark Lings Affiliblueprint 3.0? I heard good things about it. I am considering buying it as I am going through affilorama.
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  • Profile picture of the author John34
    I have BTF membership from some time now. I think the methods they teach are old school and i personally do not think you can rank sites using their methods specially after penguin update.

    There is a thread in BTF forums "Are you making any money" (something similar) and you will notice many members are not making any sales even after building sites for 3-4 months.
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  • Profile picture of the author John34
    I think they deleted the thread now.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    John, the methods DO work. There's one guy that used them to start up a consulting firm and make a million dollars over nine months. It is all in how you make the methods taught your own. BTF is one of the best courses out there and unlike a lot of thoers I've tried over the years, you get Mike and Kelly's full contact info (cell phone included) and the course is always updated.

    There's actually a NEW thread just posted a few days ago. If you stick with the course, and participate in the forum, you'll make money. I know I have. This is the last course you'll need.
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  • Profile picture of the author devonm
    The foot has spoken this minute and I got it. WILL pay the extra 40 something by Sat next week when the trial runs out. I KNOW IT! It is JUICY! I just took a VERY QUICK GANDER and yes, I like what I see.
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  • I have heard people rant and rave about how great it is but no one has every explained to me what the product is or what it is about.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    There's another update for it on here. Go look. READ the reviews and the sales page. It tells you everything you need to know.
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    This ISN'T the my 2 cents crap. I am giving you a 1 MILLION dollar piece! IT S WORTH EVERY PENNY! If you are a beginner and don't quite have a solid "stand" on IM, you NEED this-REQUIRED! I got this from the Warrior forum special and am MADLY IN LOVE WITH IT! GET IT TODAY!
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  • Profile picture of the author Azlan.MY
    Bring The Fresh is a good product, but the problem is you cannot rely on this course solely to make the money. They will ask you to purchase more products via their affiliate links, they recommend their link building service, Unique Article Wizard and more.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Are you serious? Good lord. Um, yes you CAN make money with just Bring the Fresh, there's a ton of success stories out there. And the services or products they recommend are not "theirs" they don't own them. It's what they use. You're going to need to spend some to automate things.
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  • Profile picture of the author G Allan Roberts
    Hey,

    I just wanted to share with you some great news. I just ranked page #1 in Google for "Non Stop Traffic Formula"

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    The product is on sale this week, so that means I might make a affiliate commission.

    I have done this many times for many different keyword and I have made over $50,000 over the last 3 years with this one technique.

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    • Profile picture of the author KellyFelix
      Hey guys, I thought it would be good for me to chime in, since there are a few folks who are confused, and others spreading a little mis-information, probably unintentionally.

      Originally Posted by John34 View Post

      I have BTF membership from some time now. I think the methods they teach are old school and i personally do not think you can rank sites using their methods specially after penguin update.

      There is a thread in BTF forums "Are you making any money" (something similar) and you will notice many members are not making any sales even after building sites for 3-4 months.
      Originally Posted by John34 View Post

      I think they deleted the thread now.
      Actually we've ranked over 200 sites on page 1 since Penguin. And earned $177k from free traffic since penguin. So I'm happy to say you are incorrect. The "success" section of our forum shows dozens of success stories after Penguin. I'm sorry you're having a tough time after Penguin. Feel free to skype me if you need a site reviewed?

      Oh, and the thread you mentioned... you probably didn't realize it was posted in November 2010? Its not really relevant, being that old, and it was posted by a guy we had to ban because he was posting "not-safe-for-work" images. But I'm glad you got to see 20% of the people who replied were making good money with our methods! 1 out of every 5 people replied that BTF basically changed their life... that is outstanding! Most courses unfortunately have a success rate under 1%.


      Originally Posted by Azlan.MY View Post

      Bring The Fresh is a good product, but the problem is you cannot rely on this course solely to make the money. They will ask you to purchase more products via their affiliate links, they recommend their link building service, Unique Article Wizard and more.
      We only recommend products that are time-savers. If you prefer to do backlinking manually, then its absolutely free - the only thing it costs is your time.

      Originally Posted by silyavski View Post

      Hi,
      if you are newbie in doubt, please read carefully what i say, cause i am a newbie and before 2 weeks i bought the Start Guide:
      The Bad:
      1. The BTF forum is very good to read but I did not like it. Why? Because nobody cares about you and your questions. They only answer if the question interests them. Not Kelly, i am speaking about the members there. Don't waste time with the forum, here you will be answered faster.
      2.prepare yourself to read hype emails and bla bla bla about this and that, while you are sweating how to make your first site.
      3. there is some stuff in the Start guide that is outdated and needs some reFreshing, nevertheless its true to the letter, just the means have to be updated.

      Now the good:
      1. Its like Jesus teaching you the Bible step by step. You don't grasp all, but somehow you feel its something clever and true.
      2.So do not bother with anything else and be jumpy about making money, just read the damned Start guide 100 times and follow it step by step. My advice here is not to hurry and take yourself a week or better like 10 days while building your first web. Question what he says, search explanation on the web, learn but follow it to the letter! I grasped right at the start that if i understand what he says willl save me time in the long run. I believe that at the 5th web i make, for half a day i can finish everything, from start to end, including writing some articles. This one took me 8 days though.

      Conclusion:
      No, you will not implement the guide and build your first web for 1h, you will not make money the first week or understand what you are doing without sitting in front of the computer 12h a day, browsing forums, etc.
      Yes, you will spend a lot of money on different software in the future if you are serious, though if you analyze and understand the FSG you don't need Market Samurai or similar to start, though i encourage you to download the trial while making first decisions.

      The bottom line: Yes, the FSG is worth the money, to try and see for yourself for 7$ is a no brainer.
      The proof: I bought it before 10 days, followed most of the steps exactly and at some points improvised but stayed in tune with what they say. Before some days Google indexed for first time my site. Today just now i come from work and is the first time my 7 day old web shows on a search result. 3 medium but with quite tough competition keywords. On the toughest one Its at page 3, on the other ones its at page 4 on the search results. And believe it or not - i am just next after Amazon itself,uuuuuuugh, and surrounded by Youtube and Wikipedia.

      I have 2 posts and 1 photo, Zero Back links, 1 g+ / i gave it my self/, 0 facebook likes, and still haven't posted the most decisive post where the affiliate links will be, nor i have made any of the videos that i intended to make and post.

      If that doesn't convince the unbelievers that BTF FSG is worth the money and had to be followed by the letter, you will never be convinced. Amen!

      PS. Now i see that i am on the top of 2nd page my keyword+review. And i havent done any review yet!!! Nor " review"is in the domain title if you wonder
      First off, I'm glad you're having success! And I'm glad you believe BTF is worth the cost.

      Regarding our forum, I have to respectfully disagree, when you say that other members don't care about you. In fact I've never seen anything quite like our members - they genuinely care about one another, encourage one another, and they show not only their websites, but exactly how they ranked them and how they made money with them, which is extremely rare. You also won't find any fighting or negativity either, because we don't allow it.

      I also disagree about the fast start guide not being updated. I personally update it twice a month. Make sure you have the latest version at all times!

      But again, I'm so glad you like our stuff, for the most part, and that you're having success!

      Originally Posted by cypherslock View Post

      Are you serious? Good lord. Um, yes you CAN make money with just Bring the Fresh, there's a ton of success stories out there. And the services or products they recommend are not "theirs" they don't own them. It's what they use. You're going to need to spend some to automate things.
      Thanks! We have so many success stories and testimonials that we don't know what to do with them... I've never seen anything like it. It also helps to have members like you who "get it". Fortunately we have the lowest refund rate of any Clickbank product in our industry (currently 8%), so that indicates most people are also understanding and enjoying the material as well.

      Clickbank executives actually contacted us a few days ago to do an interview about how we are able to maintain such a high rate of satisfaction and a low refund rate. They want to use us as a case study to teach other vendors how to take care of their customers. We think that says quite a lot.
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      • Profile picture of the author buzzword
        Wow. Let's be honest here.
        I love the way Kelly wordsmiths his response. Unless you are on the inside, you'd have to seriously read between the lines to understand the truth.

        Originally Posted by KellyFelix View Post

        Hey guys, I thought it would be good for me to chime in, since there are a few folks who are confused, and others spreading a little mis-information, probably unintentionally.
        Great way he plants this seed of doubt in your mind by subconsciously calling the negative reviews "mis-information", and then quickly apologizing for their behavior.

        Originally Posted by KellyFelix View Post

        Actually we've ranked over 200 sites on page 1 since Penguin. And earned $177k from free traffic since penguin. So I'm happy to say you are incorrect. The "success" section of our forum shows dozens of success stories after Penguin. I'm sorry you're having a tough time after Penguin. Feel free to skype me if you need a site reviewed?
        You will NEVER, and I mean NEVER... hear about the sites that do NOT make it. If they've ranked over 200 sites, how many did NOT make it? 200 sounds awesome. Until you hear that they had a total of 2,000+ sites to start with. It's all in perspective here. As long as he doesn't mention the ones that failed, why should you even think about them? YOU SHOULD!! And the forum shows "DOZENS of success stories". ... but he has THOUSANDS of members. Again... if you only tell HALF of the story, it ALL sounds good.

        Originally Posted by KellyFelix View Post

        Oh, and the thread you mentioned... you probably didn't realize it was posted in November 2010? Its not really relevant, being that old, and it was posted by a guy we had to ban because he was posting "not-safe-for-work" images. But I'm glad you got to see 20% of the people who replied were making good money with our methods! 1 out of every 5 people replied that BTF basically changed their life... that is outstanding! Most courses unfortunately have a success rate under 1%.
        This is another irritating part not often mentioned about the GREAT FORUM. You will NEVER... and again, I mean NEVER hear anything from the members who are NOT finding success with their program. Especially the Done-For-You (DFY) program. I also saw posts that were visible for a short period of time that suddenly disappeared. It happens DAILY! Funny thing is... they are all the REST OF THE STORY. The REAL, MAJORITY of the results, that Kelly and Mike will NEVER let you see. They have full time Moderators constantly scanning the forum for this one reason. "Do NOT let ANY negative posts remain on the forum." The entire DFY thread there consists of people who posted comments like,

        "I am going to do this! I bought my site(s) today!"
        "I'm so excited! I'll keep you informed on how much money I make!"
        "I got my sites, and they are being built. I'll let you know when I get rich!"

        Yet... All of these excited people seem to secretly disappear from the forum. If you count the number of members who posted "Here I go!" comments and the number of them who actually came back to follow up... Well... the "less than 1%" that Kelly mentioned might be his way of trying to squeeze some personal truth into his post above.

        I wondered about that myself. At first you WANT to believe that they all found success and therefore just don't come back to the forum because they are rolling in the dough. And, with the periodic emails distributed by Kelly and Mike announcing that "another member with a DFY site just made $$$,$$$,$$$ in ## days!!! GET YOURS NOW!!" .. they make sure you are continously smothered in the positive reinforcements.

        How do I KNOW? Well, I bought in to the snake oil sales pitch too. I bought the DFY Deluxe (two site) option. It's been months since I bought them, and they never made it to page one. In fact, one never broke the top 100! And, unless you send an email to Mario asking for a status, you won't get one. (He's busy.) And, yet, they continue to "open the doors for just 10 more sites" again and again. With the price of their sites, that's another $10,000 every time they open the door!! Must be nice... FOR THEM.

        I made contact with 6 other members who were in that DFY thread, and all 6 shared their horror stories with me. Anywhere from just giving up, to fighting chargebacks for a few hundreds against a company that's making tens of thousands monthly.

        I understand no one is successful 100% of the time. If you simply can't do what you so lavishly bragged about, why not admit it and refund the money? If the number of failures is truly as low as they claim, why not refund those few that failed? (think about it.)

        The "$177K from free traffic" ??? Not hard to see how that adds up. The DFY purchases also explain some of the screen shots from all the accounts they show making money too. But, you can't forget the affiliate links they have embedded into all of their programs, they are squeezing $100s out of their members. Just look at their sequence of upsells:

        BRING THE FRESH is the best program around!
        unless.... you want to see the "rest of the story", in which case, you'll also need the...
        FULL DISCLOSURE program shows you the "Insider's Secrets"
        unless.... you also want to be shown HOW we do it, in which case, you'll also need the...
        PROJECT PROFITS program
        (each of which are ~$67/month for ~6 months)

        Originally Posted by KellyFelix View Post

        We only recommend products that are time-savers. If you prefer to do backlinking manually, then its absolutely free - the only thing it costs is your time.
        ...but remember, the "recommendations" come via affiliate links!!

        Originally Posted by KellyFelix View Post

        First off, I'm glad you're having success! And I'm glad you believe BTF is worth the cost.

        Regarding our forum, I have to respectfully disagree, when you say that other members don't care about you. In fact I've never seen anything quite like our members - they genuinely care about one another, encourage one another, and they show not only their websites, but exactly how they ranked them and how they made money with them, which is extremely rare. You also won't find any fighting or negativity either, because we don't allow it.
        It would be closer to the truth to have said, "It is extremely rare that our members show their websites, how they rank them, and how they made money with them."
        I agree the forum does have members posting websites. However, those posts are more likely to be, "Here's my website: www.mysite .com... can you tell me what's wrong with it? I can't get it ranked. (or) I'm not getting any traffic. (or) I'm not making sales."

        Originally Posted by KellyFelix View Post

        Fortunately we have the lowest refund rate of any Clickbank product in our industry (currently 8%), so that indicates most people are also understanding and enjoying the material as well.
        It helps by simply stating upfront, "YOU WILL NOT GET A REFUND".
        Again... I know. I've asked for the DFY "failure" to be refunded. Straight from Customer Support:

        We do not issue refunds on the DFY sites.
        Thanks,
        Sarah Osborne
        Bring the Fresh

        So, Bottom line...
        If you are even thinking about the DFY sites they offer, make sure you understand this:

        You are guaranteed a Page 1 ranking.... but you are NOT GUARANTEED it will be accomplished in any given time period. They can take as long as they need!! (Years?)
        If, after six months, they can't do it, they'll simply start over for you. (Isn't that nice?) But, you will NOT get your money back.

        You are NOT GUARANTEED to make any money. They tell you this. However, they will help you to sell your sites when you finally decide to stop waiting. You MIGHT make back the money it costs you to register and host them!

        Paying $1,000+ for NOTHING in return... Sorry Kelly. Bad business.

        And, I'm not the only one.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chiayee
        Originally Posted by KellyFelix View Post


        I also disagree about the fast start guide not being updated. I personally update it twice a month. Make sure you have the latest version at all times!
        Hi Kelly:

        Today is 16th of November, and the FSG has not been updated since September, i.e. before the Google's EMD algo change.

        I am eager to see the update.

        Thanks.

        CY
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  • Profile picture of the author BigAlrosen
    BTF has way too many upsells....that is how they are making their money! Most of the videos are outdated from 2010...lol. I have to give it to them, they do know how to sell to complete newbies!
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  • Profile picture of the author hiimjones
    Unfortunately I bought two DFY sites as well almost 6 months ago, one site was sitting at page 7 at one point for around a day or so, after that I never saw it again. The second site I have never found in google. (stopped looking after page 20)

    If you ask them questions about how it's going, the only thing I hear anyway is that

    'we just sent more backlinks, we will now have to wait a couple weeks.

    Or

    'we just re-did the sites, we will now have to wait a couple weeks'

    I was told that on average it took 2-3 months for sites like the ones that I bought to rank, as I mentioned it has now been almost 6 months and they are nowhere.

    as buzzword said, apparently there's no time limit and they refuse to give you a refund even though you are not getting what you have paid for.

    I have also asked on two occasions of whether they will pay for two new domains both purchased for 5 years which is what I paid for as per their recommendation if they build two new sites and have not received a reply, one person dodged the question and the other one has not replied at all.

    Now, let's get to what REALLY pisses me off.

    I filed a dispute with paypal a couple hours ago regardless of the fact that they said no refunds on DFY's because again I don't feel like I am getting what I paid for and they just keep coming up with excuses to why nothing is happening and asking me to wait longer.

    So what happened after I did this? Within minutes, my Bring the fresh AND Project Profits which I have been paying $70 a month for 6 months (All in all around $500) banned. Can't access anything. Account inactive.

    Did I get the refund?

    Nope.

    Did anyone get back to me to regarding why I now can't access the products I have spent roughly $500 for?

    Nope.

    This is a real shame because I loved BTF when I first joined, I made my first clickbank money with the information I learned from there, my first adsense money and overall SEO. Project Profits is an excellent program as well. Have been enjoying the webinars Mike and Kelly have held, always lots of useful information.

    So to anyone who wants to learn SEO, Bring The Fresh and Project Profits is great. Go ahead.

    But with the DFY's, instead of now either giving me a refund or at least give me an explanation, I get banned. Project Profits isn't even related to this and this is something I paid a lot of money for.

    So again as buzzword said, so far my $1200 has given nothing in return, and the ~$500 I spent on becoming a member of BTF and Project Profits, I can't even access anymore.

    Hoping to hear from someone from BTF about this shortly, preferably Kelly or Mike.

    And again, I am NOT bashing Bring The Fresh or Project Profits, I am just not happy at all with their dfy's
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    • Profile picture of the author jon poland
      Buzzword & Hiimjones:

      I'm curious about these DFY sites -- are they continually adding unique content to these sites or are these sites just thin affiliate sites with a bunch of backlinks?

      We are now in a new era of SEO. The thin affiliate site with a bunch of backlinks is no longer an effective business model. It may work from time to time. But as a "reliable and sustainable" business model that you can count on, forget it. It's not going to happen.

      In my opinion the only way these DFY sites are going to rank is if they are adding unique and original content to them on a consistent basis. Are the DFY site builders from BTF doing this?

      In this new era of SEO you have to give Google what Google wants. Google wants original content. And the more original content your give Google, the better off you and your rankings will be.

      Jon
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  • Profile picture of the author hiimjones
    Jon: Last time my sites were updated with new content was in early August. Two posts and four pages in total. I think that is actually mentioned in the sales thread for their DFY's so that does not really bother me, what bothers me is that the sites are nowhere to be found and that I no longer have access to products that cost me around $500
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    • Profile picture of the author jon poland
      Originally Posted by hiimjones View Post

      Jon: Last time my sites were updated with new content was in early August. Two posts and four pages in total. I think that is actually mentioned in the sales thread for their DFY's so that does not really bother me, what bothers me is that the sites are nowhere to be found and that I no longer have access to products that cost me around $500
      Hiimjones:

      I don't blame you for being upset. You have ever right to feel that way based on what was promised to you and what was delivered.

      It looks like the DFY sales page (and how they build their sites) needs to be updated to reflect the new changes in how Google ranks sites. Two posts and four pages in total is not going to rank for much in this new world of SEO that we find ourselves in today. Sure, there may be exceptions. But as a whole, thin affiliate sites are "Dead."
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      • Profile picture of the author buzzword
        Originally Posted by jon poland View Post

        Hiimjones:

        I don't blame you for being upset. You have ever right to feel that way based on what was promised to you and what was delivered.

        It looks like the DFY sales page (and how they build their sites) needs to be updated to reflect the new changes in how Google ranks sites. Two posts and four pages in total is not going to rank for much in this new world of SEO that we find ourselves in today. Sure, there may be exceptions. But as a whole, thin affiliate sites are "Dead."
        Oh... they updated the sales page already. (I can only assume they were losing some legal battles over the wordage of their promise.) The sales page previously GUARANTEED a FIRST PAGE listing...not any more. It's probably a good thing I saved the Complete WebPage on the day I made my purchase. If anyone else needs this information, you can PM me. If you plan on making a case for a chargeback, you'll probably need this.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
          Yeah the thing alot of people don't understand is Penguin is GREAT.

          90% of the content generated by affiliates out there is CRAP. So if you can do better than CRAP you beat them!

          Thanks Goog!!
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          • Profile picture of the author jon poland
            Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

            Yeah the thing alot of people don't understand is Penguin is GREAT.

            90% of the content generated by affiliates out there is CRAP. So if you can do better than CRAP you beat them!

            Thanks Goog!!
            Jamie:

            Very well said. I agree with you 100%. I actually look forward to Google updates. They are weeding out the crap and rewarding people who are creating unique and original content.

            SEO is not dead. It's alive and well. There is just a new set of rules that search marketers have to play by. And I like it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Chiayee
            Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

            Yeah the thing alot of people don't understand is Penguin is GREAT.

            90% of the content generated by affiliates out there is CRAP. So if you can do better than CRAP you beat them!

            Thanks Goog!!
            Ok so what you want to say about BTF really?
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  • Profile picture of the author AlmightyGreg
    the guy behind it sure has a pretty long and interesting credential to backup all of his claims I tell you that much. I think his product is legit
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnPeters1983
    Checked it out and everything is outdated! Some videos are from 2010 which obviously wouldn't work today. The FSG is since September...thought you updated every month? Seems like they are just relying on their upsells and Greg Morrisons OMG. Good thing I checked my friend's copy...I Will Pass!
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    • Profile picture of the author Chiayee
      Originally Posted by JohnPeters1983 View Post

      Checked it out and everything is outdated! Some videos are from 2010 which obviously wouldn't work today. The FSG is since September...thought you updated every month? Seems like they are just relying on their upsells and Greg Morrisons OMG. Good thing I checked my friend's copy...I Will Pass!
      I have to say.. You nailed it!
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      • Profile picture of the author rockapreneur
        Crap, someone is building me a funnel for this right now. I told him to switch to this because I liked the name better than Coffeeshop Millionaire, which was the other option.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Yes, there are testimonials on the page, in the forums etc. And everything's been updated for 2013.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
      yes its amazing how crappy content affiliates make these days. Its time for us legit affiliate marketers to create good content and to profit of it and to the community too. Penguin looked like crap but i think it was fair for affiliates and BTF is an awesome product btw
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      • Profile picture of the author KellyFelix
        Originally Posted by buzzword View Post

        Wow. Let's be honest here.
        I love the way Kelly wordsmiths his response. Unless you are on the inside, you'd have to seriously read between the lines to understand the truth.


        Great way he plants this seed of doubt in your mind by subconsciously calling the negative reviews "mis-information", and then quickly apologizing for their behavior.
        Wow, I appreciate that you consider me a "wordsmith". I'll take that as a compliment. I do in fact try to word my replies carefully, and take emotion out of the equation, because I don't feel an emotional reply is typically as accurate as a non-emotional reply.

        And that's why I understand that some folks have spread a bit of mis-information, like I mentioned before, because they were probably emotional, and it let to innaccuracies. I'm only replying here to clarify things, point by point. I feel that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I think that our current refund rate inside Clickbank says quite a lot about our program.



        So around 91-92% of our customers are happy, and 8-9% aren't (by their actions). I'll take that any day of the week!

        Originally Posted by buzzword View Post

        You will NEVER, and I mean NEVER... hear about the sites that do NOT make it. If they've ranked over 200 sites, how many did NOT make it? 200 sounds awesome. Until you hear that they had a total of 2,000+ sites to start with. It's all in perspective here. As long as he doesn't mention the ones that failed, why should you even think about them? YOU SHOULD!! And the forum shows "DOZENS of success stories". ... but he has THOUSANDS of members. Again... if you only tell HALF of the story, it ALL sounds good.
        You are correct, in our salesletter and WSO we do not talk about sites that we do not get ranked. That would not help us get new members, and there would be a lot of folks who would miss out on changing their lives for the better. Around 92% of them.

        Should a Dyson vacuum cleaner commercial show the benefits of their vacuum cleaner that 90%+ of their customers enjoy? Or should it show the few percentage of people who's vacuum cleaners broke?

        As you can see, your reply above doesn't really make much sense - or I guess it does make sense if you don't think about it too much.

        Originally Posted by buzzword View Post

        This is another irritating part not often mentioned about the GREAT FORUM. You will NEVER... and again, I mean NEVER hear anything from the members who are NOT finding success with their program. Especially the Done-For-You (DFY) program. I also saw posts that were visible for a short period of time that suddenly disappeared. It happens DAILY! Funny thing is... they are all the REST OF THE STORY. The REAL, MAJORITY of the results, that Kelly and Mike will NEVER let you see. They have full time Moderators constantly scanning the forum for this one reason. "Do NOT let ANY negative posts remain on the forum." The entire DFY thread there consists of people who posted comments like,

        "I am going to do this! I bought my site(s) today!"
        "I'm so excited! I'll keep you informed on how much money I make!"
        "I got my sites, and they are being built. I'll let you know when I get rich!"

        Yet... All of these excited people seem to secretly disappear from the forum. If you count the number of members who posted "Here I go!" comments and the number of them who actually came back to follow up... Well... the "less than 1%" that Kelly mentioned might be his way of trying to squeeze some personal truth into his post above.
        I have to disagree. There are over 88,000 posts in our forum, and I can guarantee you that not all of them are talking about success stories! Although I wish that were the case! lol. Again, I would guess that 9 out of 10 are people who are happy and ranking sites, and maybe 1 out of 10 aren't. This is not exact, but my best guess after being in the forum for many years. And I believe this estimate is far more accurate than your contention that "You will NEVER hear anything from the members who are NOT finding success with their program".

        You seem to be indicating that 100% of the posts in our forum are folks who are ranking their sites and making money, and again while I would love this to be true, it just isn't. There are indeed some folks who are still having a tough time. It happens.

        Originally Posted by buzzword View Post

        I wondered about that myself. At first you WANT to believe that they all found success and therefore just don't come back to the forum because they are rolling in the dough. And, with the periodic emails distributed by Kelly and Mike announcing that "another member with a DFY site just made $$$,$$$,$$$ in ## days!!! GET YOURS NOW!!" .. they make sure you are continously smothered in the positive reinforcements.

        How do I KNOW? Well, I bought in to the snake oil sales pitch too. I bought the DFY Deluxe (two site) option. It's been months since I bought them, and they never made it to page one. In fact, one never broke the top 100! And, unless you send an email to Mario asking for a status, you won't get one. (He's busy.) And, yet, they continue to "open the doors for just 10 more sites" again and again. With the price of their sites, that's another $10,000 every time they open the door!! Must be nice... FOR THEM.

        I made contact with 6 other members who were in that DFY thread, and all 6 shared their horror stories with me. Anywhere from just giving up, to fighting chargebacks for a few hundreds against a company that's making tens of thousands monthly.
        I am suspicious of your general message that you have spoken to a mysterious 6 other members who had "horror stories". I would love to know the exact details of these "stories"... unless they are in fact just "stories". Without specifics, your claim sort of falls dead in the water, claiming to speak for other folks who shall remain nameless. On the contrary, we have thousands of real folks who have chimed in our our WSO threads here:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-about-16.html

        and here:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...s-crushed.html

        I am saddened to hear that your DFY sites did not turn out as you had wished, in the timeframe you had desired. We work extremely hard on these sites. I work on them daily. Penguin did hit quite a few of these sites, and we had to work extra hard on them. When dealing with hundreds of sites, simply put, it takes time.

        The good news is, after a few months of split testing and tweaking, we figured out the keys to Penguin and we are bringing back many of our own sites and our customer's sites. Its pretty exciting to see an average of 21 sites per week coming back to page 1 !!

        Its a shame you didn't stick around long enough to experience that. We do in fact remove access to BTF and Project Profits for members who file chargebacks, or who go on personal attacks inside our forum. We think of our forum as a shining city on a hill, and we want everyone to be positive and support each other. As soon as someone starts going on emotional rants, we give them a warning. When it continues, we ban them. When it continues further, with legal threats, we remove access to our products. I hope that makes sense to you? I know we've explained this to you before, and we stand by our decision.

        However, if at any time you'd like to come back and have us work on your sites again, I'd be happy to. All that would be required is to remove your emotional, negative & inaccurate statements, as well as dropping any chargeback / legal proceedings. We are happy to work with rational, calm people. And we believe in roads to redemption. But we will not work with anyone who we consider to be a constant stream of negativity, or anyone who threatens us. I'm sure you can understand that.

        Originally Posted by buzzword View Post

        I understand no one is successful 100% of the time. If you simply can't do what you so lavishly bragged about, why not admit it and refund the money? If the number of failures is truly as low as they claim, why not refund those few that failed? (think about it.)
        We do not issue refunds on our DFY websites because we work on them constantly, and we put quite a bit of time and money into building and ranking them. And we are confident we can rank them. If we cannot, we are happy to try again with new sites for you at absolutely no charge. Our DFY program does not promise a page 1 ranking, but that we will absolutely try our best. And our satisfaction rate on DFY's is well over 90%.


        Originally Posted by buzzword View Post

        BRING THE FRESH is the best program around!
        unless.... you want to see the "rest of the story", in which case, you'll also need the...
        FULL DISCLOSURE program shows you the "Insider's Secrets"
        unless.... you also want to be shown HOW we do it, in which case, you'll also need the...
        PROJECT PROFITS program
        (each of which are ~$67/month for ~6 months)
        Actually Full Disclosure is our "advanced" program, and we publicly state that it is not for beginners. We always recommend that beginners start with our basic level and only upgrade to FD when they feel they are ready for the advanced stuff (i.e. -they have already built and ranked some websites and made some $)

        Originally Posted by buzzword View Post

        It would be closer to the truth to have said, "It is extremely rare that our members show their websites, how they rank them, and how they made money with them."
        I agree the forum does have members posting websites. However, those posts are more likely to be, "Here's my website: www.mysite .com... can you tell me what's wrong with it? I can't get it ranked. (or) I'm not getting any traffic. (or) I'm not making sales."
        Actually it is not extremely rare. In our forum we have a "success stories" section, in addition to another section where folks ask for "website reviews". In both sections hundreds of people have shared their URL's. So, it is not rare at all, and I disagree 100% on your suggestion that it is.

        Originally Posted by buzzword View Post

        You are NOT GUARANTEED to make any money. They tell you this. However, they will help you to sell your sites when you finally decide to stop waiting. You MIGHT make back the money it costs you to register and host them!

        Paying $1,000+ for NOTHING in return... Sorry Kelly. Bad business.

        And, I'm not the only one.
        I disagree that you got nothing in return. You actually got a nice website, built around a commercially viable keyword that you and our team worked together to pick, built with a premium theme and premium plugins, with backlinks, and optimized for conversion and ranking. Had you stuck around, you would have likely had it ranking on page 1 of Google as well. Its a real shame that you got emotional and impatient. You have to understand that when you file a chargeback, a company will not continue to work with you or help you. That is where it gets "legal" and ties must be broken. But like I mentioned before, you are welcome to come back at any time if you'd like to try again.

        Originally Posted by hiimjones View Post

        Unfortunately I bought two DFY sites as well almost 6 months ago, one site was sitting at page 7 at one point for around a day or so, after that I never saw it again. The second site I have never found in google. (stopped looking after page 20)

        If you ask them questions about how it's going, the only thing I hear anyway is that

        'we just sent more backlinks, we will now have to wait a couple weeks.

        Or

        'we just re-did the sites, we will now have to wait a couple weeks'

        I was told that on average it took 2-3 months for sites like the ones that I bought to rank, as I mentioned it has now been almost 6 months and they are nowhere.
        I wonder where your sites are right now? Care to give me the url's and an update? As long as you didn't send in a bunch of emotional, negative emails with threats and such, then we've been working on your sites and ranked them, or we've likely created and ranked new sites for you. (especially if its been 6 months).

        Originally Posted by hiimjones View Post

        I have also asked on two occasions of whether they will pay for two new domains both purchased for 5 years which is what I paid for as per their recommendation if they build two new sites and have not received a reply, one person dodged the question and the other one has not replied at all.
        Please let me know where we have recommended that you pay for a 5 year registration on your domains. I am not familiar with any of our verbiage that says anything like that.


        Originally Posted by hiimjones View Post

        I filed a dispute with paypal a couple hours ago regardless of the fact that they said no refunds on DFY's because again I don't feel like I am getting what I paid for and they just keep coming up with excuses to why nothing is happening and asking me to wait longer.

        So what happened after I did this? Within minutes, my Bring the fresh AND Project Profits which I have been paying $70 a month for 6 months (All in all around $500) banned. Can't access anything. Account inactive.

        Did I get the refund?

        Nope.

        Did anyone get back to me to regarding why I now can't access the products I have spent roughly $500 for?

        Nope.
        Oh dang. I was hoping you hadn't done that. Like I mentioned above, if you had stayed calm and let us do our thing, you would have likely either had your sites ranking, or 2 brand new sites. Yeah, when you go the chargeback route, like I mentioned, we break all ties. Bummer. I'll extend the same invitation as the above person though - you are welcome to come back at any time if you do the things I mentioned to the person above you.

        Originally Posted by hiimjones View Post

        This is a real shame because I loved BTF when I first joined, I made my first clickbank money with the information I learned from there, my first adsense money and overall SEO. Project Profits is an excellent program as well. Have been enjoying the webinars Mike and Kelly have held, always lots of useful information.

        So to anyone who wants to learn SEO, Bring The Fresh and Project Profits is great. Go ahead.

        But with the DFY's, instead of now either giving me a refund or at least give me an explanation, I get banned. Project Profits isn't even related to this and this is something I paid a lot of money for.

        So again as buzzword said, so far my $1200 has given nothing in return, and the ~$500 I spent on becoming a member of BTF and Project Profits, I can't even access anymore.

        Hoping to hear from someone from BTF about this shortly, preferably Kelly or Mike.

        And again, I am NOT bashing Bring The Fresh or Project Profits, I am just not happy at all with their dfy's
        I'm glad to hear you made your first money ever with BTF! Thats fantastic! I'm glad you like both BTF and Project Profits.

        Your second part about how you got nothing in return for your DFY though is understandable, because like I mentioned, once you file a chargeback or send us messages that threaten us, we discontinue all ties.

        For everyone else, thanks for your honest reviews! I'm glad so many of you like the course. We just released BTF 2013 - and if you're already a member, you get it all for free. Just login to the members area to see all of the new goodies.

        And cypherslock, as always you are da man! I'm so glad our stuff has worked out so well for you. And we truly appreciate how you continue to publicly testify about it time and time again!

        If anyone has a support question, instead of posting here or sending a PM, please use our ticket system at support.bringthefresh.com

        Take care guys!
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  • I found the information solid in places, they do make a decent effort to keep adding value if you purchase the monthly thing (about 4 months of $60 a month or something) but I found a lot of the content very dated , so dated in some places it's now utterly irrelevant.

    I absolutely hated all this "buy 10,000" links from us thing, I can't think of anything worse than pushing 10k links to any website nowadays, seems direly in need of updating.

    The forum is decent, I've had so little time to go in there but there are actively supporting the clients from what I can see, I would say that's one of their strongest tools.

    If you're relatively advanced, then the whole, find a niche, do the kw research, build a blog, push links to it, build a list, sell aff products /your own is not exactly going to set your world on fire but in the limited time I have had to look at the content there is some stuff in there even I've benefited from- an odd resource here etc, as to whether that's worth the $200-$300 or whatever it was I paid for this, I'm not sure .

    They do seem to have some rabid fans, however, they don't do the product much good , in my opinion, especially when you ask them what money have they made and the answer is "non yet", and they've been a member for 6 months - or I'm at position 52, I was at position 100 before, somehow not realizing that was the easy bit.

    The concepts are not complicated, I like their business model, I think they are smart, the never ending backend sales with their "let us do it for you" model is super slick and works well with a lot of their audience.

    I wasn't in love with it overall , but it's ok, certainly not "Crap" and "scum", just nothing special to my mind and needs a bit of an update in places.
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    Bring the Fresh. Current. Excellent forum, helpful folk, and a ton of videos not only doing the technical details but also thought process. Best value between the two.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wendell
    Okay, here's my take. I've yet to buy this product but one thing is very clear to me from all my research so far. Kelly works hard and believes in his product. So I think he deserves a break from that point of view. Whether he realizes or not that some of his existing customers deserve, for their part, more reassurance than they're evidently getting, is another matter.

    I get it that the product did extremely well when it was launched in something like 2010, but that since then, with the growth in the importance of social media plus Google updates etc., some of the material has become outdated. It would be good if Kelly could say something about how he and Mike are addressing that - I don't just mean adding fresh content, but alerting the members about obsolete methods. If he has done so already, I do apologize.

    The other thing that niggles at me is his claim that some 90% of DFY sites are ranking well, which is a figure only known to himself. Surely it wouldn't be so hard to list all of the sites he and his team have worked on say in the past 12 months, by forum member name, and reveal the page rankings they achieved after so many weeks or months. If the figures are that good, why wouldn't he be anxious to show all the evidence?

    I don't mean to take up his valuable time, but I would appreciate a response from Kelly on the above two points. Of course I welcome the views of others, too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sean Fry
      Originally Posted by John Dalenberg View Post

      My problem with Bring the Fresh...why the need for fake reviews on a deceptive dummy site?:
      What We Recommend For Added Income
      That's Kelly's own test site. He uses that one to test different SEO methods, etc.

      Why the need to publish a testimonial from a NON-Ogilvy employee?:
      http://www.warrenbuffett.com/ogilvy.jpg

      Definitely not good.
      Fair point. But he was voted "World's Greatest Salesperson" by Ogilvy and I believe he did some work for them afterwards. I remember when they were running that contest actually.

      Todd Herman Voted World
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    • Profile picture of the author jon poland
      Originally Posted by terry1st View Post

      Hello guys,

      I just found the warriorforum and somehow I landed on this page.

      BFT is working? I ask this because I seen some members since 2010.

      I want to make some money online, but since I am a beginner I don't know what to do.

      Maybe someone can help me to start learning something.

      Thank you in advance.

      All the best
      Terry:

      Bring The Fresh is an excellent course if you want to learn Search Engine Optimization. If SEO is the direction you want to go, BTF is a good place to start.

      In your post you stated . . . "I want to make some money online, but since I am a beginner I don't know what to do."

      Most beginners come to this business with the exact same mindset. They want to "make some money online." And I believe this is why most beginners struggle and jump from one program to another. Their focus is on "making money" and they continue jumping from one program to another in search of an easier way to make money. As a result, they never stick with anything long enough to see it through to the end. They never finish what they start.

      Try to take your focus off of making money and put your focus on "building a business." Think like an entrepreneur, not an opportunity seeker. When you focus on building a business, you are thinking like an entrepreneur. When you focus on making money, you are thinking like an opportunity seeker.

      The people who are successful are those who are building businesses. They select a market then they help and serve people in that market. They help others get to where they want to go. They are teachers and they are problem solvers.

      Think of online marketing as a "BUSINESS" -- not as a "way to make money." If you do that, you'll immediately put yourself ahead of at least 90% other aspiring online marketers.

      I hope that helps.
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        Originally Posted by jon poland View Post

        Terry:

        Bring The Fresh is an excellent course if you want to learn Search Engine Optimization. If SEO is the direction you want to go, BTF is a good place to start.

        In your post you stated . . . "I want to make some money online, but since I am a beginner I don't know what to do."

        Most beginners come to this business with the exact same mindset. They want to "make some money online." And I believe this is why most beginners struggle and jump from one program to another. Their focus is on "making money" and they continue jumping from one program to another in search of an easier way to make money. As a result, they never stick with anything long enough to see it through to the end. They never finish what they start.

        Try to take your focus off of making money and put your focus on "building a business." Think like an entrepreneur, not an opportunity seeker. When you focus on building a business, you are thinking like an entrepreneur. When you focus on making money, you are thinking like an opportunity seeker.

        The people who are successful are those who are building businesses. They select a market then they help and serve people in that market. They help others get to where they want to go. They are teachers and they are problem solvers.

        Think of online marketing as a "BUSINESS" -- not as a "way to make money." If you do that, you'll immediately put yourself ahead of at least 90% other aspiring online marketers.

        I hope that helps.
        Jon, that is excellent advice. I will forward it to my friend, who is an aspiring Internet Marketing. Thank you for posting it.
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