Market samurai or Micro Niche finder?

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Which of these two you recommend for finding the best long tail keywords to target, market samurai or niche finder? I am interested ont he one that gives me the better/more accurate data

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  • Profile picture of the author kurt naulaerts
    Definitely go with Market Samurai. More data, faster and no google api problems
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    • Profile picture of the author KentuckyJeff
      Micro Niche Finder is awesome, it doesn't supply the all the data Market Samurai does, but it's also about $50 less.

      I've also never had any problems with the operation of MNF. I've owned MS for probably over a week now and haven't been able to use it yet because it won't generate any keywords (for me). It's because of my slow I/net connection, but MNF handles it fine.

      Support says that hopefully an update coming soon will fix it. Of course it's still technically in beta also, and they're constantly working to get it right.

      I'm holding on for a little while before getting my money back on MS because it does look very promising. I think it will definitely be the one to beat when everything is right.

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  • Profile picture of the author steveniam
    But Micro Niche Finder data is out-of-date. I have it for more than six months but recently I am having problem with opening the problem.

    For market samurai you would need a fast connection or else it would have problem with retrieving data
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      • Profile picture of the author steveniam
        My apology. It should be "having problem opening the program"

        Originally Posted by theyoungmarketer View Post

        You having problems opening a problem... surely that's a good thing?
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    • Profile picture of the author KentuckyJeff
      Originally Posted by steveniam View Post

      But Micro Niche Finder data is out-of-date. I have it for more than six months but recently I am having problem with opening the problem.

      For market samurai you would need a fast connection or else it would have problem with retrieving data

      Hey Steven,

      Have you been keeping your MNF up to date ? It's updated regularly, and it's now ay version 4.1.0. You know there's an 'Update Link' on the MNF front page, right ?

      I've never had a single problem with it.

      Also, I was told (after I purchased) that the reason my copy of MS wasn't working was because of my slow I/net connection. I should say also, I was offered my money back immediately.

      I told them I would like to hold out for the next upgrade, I was told it may correct the many problems that they've had with the connection issues. Hopefully it will fix it, it looks to be a great piece of software.

      Jeff
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      • Profile picture of the author steveniam
        My version is 4.0.15 . I never contact them for support as I am using Market Samurai which meet my needs.

        Originally Posted by KentuckyJeff View Post

        Hey Steven,

        Have you been keeping your MNF up to date ? It's updated regularly, and it's now ay version 4.1.0. You know there's an 'Update Link' on the MNF front page, right ?

        I've never had a single problem with it.

        Also, I was told (after I purchased) that the reason my copy of MS wasn't working was because of my slow I/net connection. I should say also, I was offered my money back immediately.

        I told them I would like to hold out for the next upgrade, I was told it may correct the many problems that they've had with the connection issues. Hopefully it will fix it, it looks to be a great piece of software.

        Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author steveniam
    I have just download the latest version. Previously when I open the program if there is a new update there will a blink to download the update.

    I notice they have removed some features - example previously they would show the month of the data being used. I suppose they have removed it as I noticed their data are now being a few months old.

    When I use the MNF last year, their data is only one month old. For instance if it is September 2008 the data used will be August 2008. However since Oct 2008 there is no changes of data so I suppose they remove this feature to avoid any complaint from users. I am now worry if I use MNF for keyword research their data will be out-of-date.
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    • Profile picture of the author VinceLaw
      My main problems with MNF is the search counts sometimes do not work. It display "Dig This", which means nothing to me. The background downloading service does not seem to work properly because it never seems to finish searching.

      I wish MS and MNF both display the KEI and number of google ads.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dave OSullivan
        MNF does show Google ads.

        If you click on the searched phrase, you can select Adword Ads and it tells you how many there are. Then you can also click through to Google to actually see them.

        Dave.

        Originally Posted by VincentL View Post

        My main problems with MNF is the search counts sometimes do not work. It display "Dig This", which means nothing to me. The background downloading service does not seem to work properly because it never seems to finish searching.

        I wish MS and MNF both display the KEI and number of google ads.
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  • Profile picture of the author steveniam
    I have MNF and have tried Market Samurai.

    If you are newbie maybe MNF will be suitable. However if you are seasoned IM then I suppose MS will be a better option.

    By the way I notice MNF data is a few months behind - maybe it has problem getting datafeed from Google.
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  • I am new to IM and bought MNF. I like it, but then, I am new. It was affordable, and gives you a lot of info for the price, which is a one time fee. It has some cool features, like pulling up all the ezine articles on a keyword, plus a lot more. For the cash, i'm happy.
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  • Profile picture of the author ethan97
    I'm in the process of evaluating Market Samurai and Micro Niche Finder. I've played with the demo of MS, but there is no demo of MNF. I see a lot of comments in different threads suggesting that MS is more full-featured than MNF, but I see no specifics.

    Anyone who has used both programs - could you offer some insight into what you feel makes one of these programs better or more effective than the other?

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author VinceLaw
      Originally Posted by ethan97 View Post

      I'm in the process of evaluating Market Samurai and Micro Niche Finder. I've played with the demo of MS, but there is no demo of MNF. I see a lot of comments in different threads suggesting that MS is more full-featured than MNF, but I see no specifics.

      Anyone who has used both programs - could you offer some insight into what you feel makes one of these programs better or more effective than the other?

      Thanks!
      I have the full version of MNF and I am thinking of getting a refund soon. Why? Cos it cannot even get the search counts of the keywords I input from a text file! Can you imagine that? It drives me nuts and I have been complaining to the author and his support team told me it would be released in the next major update in 3-4 months time!

      MNF uses the exact match to get the keyword stats from Google but I prefer to use the phrase match. Can't change that. The background service seems to do nothing. The update link in the software seem useless and you gotta go to another web site to check if there is a new version or not. I have no idea how it got its Google CPC prices. I would prefer if they displayed all 3 google CPC prices - broad, phrase and exact.

      As for Market Sumurai, it has lot of new terms that the team behind MS invented. Ratio of this against that, which I do not believe in. I don't understand or agree with the way they calculated the visitor value and market potential of a keyword.

      If you're doing PPC marketing, I think it is important to know the price of the bids and also the number of advertisers. Both MS and MNF do not show you the number of advertisers. MS displays this competition % which means nothing to me. What does 100% competition mean to a PPC advertiser? How many advertisers does 100% have?

      MS tries to be really fancy with all these new formulas and jargons but I think they are rubbish. Search results = SEOC. Market value = estimated daily number of clicks x the average cpc price. I think that is not a good way to calculate a keyword or market's potential.

      Maybe it is just me. I just want the following data from a keyword research software:

      1. Average Google monthly search count over the past 12 months
      2. Google phrase, broad and exact matches
      3. Number of google adwords ads
      4. Number of google results
      5. KEI ratio
      6. Microsoft's OCI

      I wanna keep things simple without a lot of new and unproven formulas.
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      • Profile picture of the author tssen
        r these products for like ppc? cause i do article marketing and i was just curious... cheers
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      • Profile picture of the author rsmb99
        Originally Posted by VincentL View Post

        Both MS and MNF do not show you the number of advertisers.
        AWA in MS is the total number of advertisers.

        MS tries to be really fancy with all these new formulas and jargons but I think they are rubbish. Search results = SEOC.
        If the number of sites that appear for a keyword search is not the competition, could you please tell me what is?

        Market value = estimated daily number of clicks x the average cpc price. I think that is not a good way to calculate a keyword or market's potential.
        So what in your opinion is a better way to make a comparative estimate of potential market values between different keywords than "Market value" the way MS calculates it?

        Maybe it is just me. I just want the following data from a keyword research software:

        1. Average Google monthly search count over the past 12 months
        2. Google phrase, broad and exact matches
        3. Number of google adwords ads
        4. Number of google results
        5. KEI ratio
        6. Microsoft's OCI
        MS gives you all of that data except KEI.

        You would do well to learn how to use a tool properly and check out all it has to offer before jumping to conclusions about it.
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      • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
        Originally Posted by VincentL View Post

        I have the full version of MNF and I am thinking of getting a refund soon. Why? Cos it cannot even get the search counts of the keywords I input from a text file! Can you imagine that? It drives me nuts and I have been complaining to the author and his support team told me it would be released in the next major update in 3-4 months time!

        MNF uses the exact match to get the keyword stats from Google but I prefer to use the phrase match. Can't change that. The background service seems to do nothing. The update link in the software seem useless and you gotta go to another web site to check if there is a new version or not. I have no idea how it got its Google CPC prices. I would prefer if they displayed all 3 google CPC prices - broad, phrase and exact.

        As for Market Sumurai, it has lot of new terms that the team behind MS invented. Ratio of this against that, which I do not believe in. I don't understand or agree with the way they calculated the visitor value and market potential of a keyword.

        If you're doing PPC marketing, I think it is important to know the price of the bids and also the number of advertisers. Both MS and MNF do not show you the number of advertisers. MS displays this competition % which means nothing to me. What does 100% competition mean to a PPC advertiser? How many advertisers does 100% have?

        MS tries to be really fancy with all these new formulas and jargons but I think they are rubbish. Search results = SEOC. Market value = estimated daily number of clicks x the average cpc price. I think that is not a good way to calculate a keyword or market's potential.

        Maybe it is just me. I just want the following data from a keyword research software:

        1. Average Google monthly search count over the past 12 months
        2. Google phrase, broad and exact matches
        3. Number of google adwords ads
        4. Number of google results
        5. KEI ratio
        6. Microsoft's OCI

        I wanna keep things simple without a lot of new and unproven formulas.
        Microsoft's OCI is not working, The site hangs and therefore the MS team posted this regarding it: OCI Issues - Please Read Noble Samurai

        Regardless a better idea of commerciality in MS is is SEO Value, which takes into account the daily traffic of a keyword and multiplies that by AdWords CPC.
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  • Profile picture of the author Xebec
    Market Samurai does more. And, once you buy it, you'll automatically get the cool new features that aren't implemented, yet.

    I do wish it were more keyboard-friendly, though.
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    Does anyone have a "promo code" for market samurai ?
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  • Profile picture of the author st0rm
    Level of data in market samuri is awesome!! and thats from a newbie
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    • Profile picture of the author reapr
      Originally Posted by st0rm View Post

      Level of data in market samuri is awesome!! and thats from a newbie
      Kinda makes you feel like an SEO guru or god.

      I can not believe people would justify a lesser tool because they saved 50 bucks if they want to drive around town on a bicycle that's fine I'll be more than glad to drive my 500hp sports car.
      I found MS difficult at first but once I learned to use it correctly all my other tools went into the backup bin.
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  • Profile picture of the author Innercore
    Iam using Market Samurai and its awesome.Initially it is very tough to learn all the headings and it gives so much data.But when you are gone thro that, you will go on rocket speed.
    If you are interested in article marketing,you can fetch all the keyword defined articles from nearly 10 different sources.You can get the results for backlinks and number of times it was published.
    Total SEO tool like Brad callen's SEO Elite is incorported.Its not as powerful as SEO Elite(Which has only specific function to do)
    You can check how many ads are in Google against the keyword and Actually you can see the top10 ads in samurai's window.
    There r 10 modules and only 7 modules are working at this time.Rest of the 3 will be released in this year.

    Regarding the MNF,I have seen the video and read all the posts in DP,BHW and here before buying Samurai.I think it is a good tool and straight forward,it will divulge the LSI(Long tail keywords) keywords.So that you can find the Golden Keyword.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy123
      I emailed James Jones of MNF about where mnf gets its data,
      he said google external tool.

      How can that be out of date.

      I feel MS has too much data and I can't make decisions fast.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheWicker
    I agree that MS has too much unnecessary data. All that you need is within MNF already. It should soon include some similar modules to SEnuke, so the author said.
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    I would surely prefer the later. They have paid and are worthy products for the clients.
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    Market Samuri is great, they are always adding features "mystery modules"
    It is a great product now and I think it will only improve.
    I got in for $67, not sure what its going for now.
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  • Profile picture of the author michael_nguyen
    I only use MNF to validate SOC, that is enough for the price alone. If you want to look at the exact and phrase search then just use it in the google keyword tool. Do whatever you need to do then import into MNF for validation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hortensia
    I like the ease of use of MNF. In a playful way you discover new words. Keyword Elite may be good, but it's not my trip. Also it takes forever to get something done. Market Samurai I don't know.

    Also it's good to check against SpyFu. Gives good ideas and valuable insights!
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  • Profile picture of the author la dominatrix
    I have had MS since it was sixty odd dollars I bought it over a year ago and I personally would not be without it. Before I bought it I hated keyword researc hand now I love it and it does so musch more checking what my competitors are doing find content. For me it rocks!
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    • Profile picture of the author lonniewa2
      I have tried MS and I prefer MNF as MS has to much unnecessary stuff that is not needed for niche marketers. Simple, powerful & easy and MNF fits the bill.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Fox
    I find MS to be very slow in pulling data...
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon Harding
    I am personally a VERY big fan (doesthat mean I'm big, or a big fan? mmm) of MS and haveused it for a while.

    The keyword research is, like all, as far as I can see, inaccurate compared with the actual results you see in Google Adwords but I have found it a good estimate and better than others.

    However, the SEO Analysis functions are really good at assessing phrases.

    I also quite like the ability to quickly find products and build ads from insdie the software (that is sidebar ads and banner ads).

    I think MS is a complete solution except for the fact it doesn't do competition analysis.
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    • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
      Originally Posted by Simon Harding View Post

      I am personally a VERY big fan (doesthat mean I'm big, or a big fan? mmm) of MS and haveused it for a while.

      The keyword research is, like all, as far as I can see, inaccurate compared with the actual results you see in Google Adwords but I have found it a good estimate and better than others.

      However, the SEO Analysis functions are really good at assessing phrases.

      I also quite like the ability to quickly find products and build ads from insdie the software (that is sidebar ads and banner ads).

      I think MS is a complete solution except for the fact it doesn't do competition analysis.

      It does do competition analysis in the SEOC column under Keyword Research and of course in the SEOC module as well...Or do you mean something different? I'm curious!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tomwood
    I use market samurai for all my keyword research it's great as long as you don't overwork it
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeb
    Looks like MS is winning the battle so i won't comment anymore on it. Though i do use MS and lovin it!
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  • Profile picture of the author djleon1
    I own both. I like the simplicity of MNF and I think its interface is easier than MS (though this is because MS has more modules). I will often find a keyword then run it through MS seo competition module which is great. Overall MS is more robust and even if you are a beginner you can grow into it.

    They both are updated frequently and I honestly belive you cannot go wrong with either.
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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    I would have to put in a vote for MNF. I found it much easier to work with than MS.
    Just as with any keyword tool however, you need to use it as a starting point, and then go and verify the data it is giving you.
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  • Profile picture of the author t3ch
    i would say MNF. I use MNF to find profitable keywords, and then use MS to see my potential earning from the keywords produce in MNF.

    MS have to many 'cool' features. they re just cool, to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
    Market Samurai without a doubt. There just is no comparison on performance. No offense to the MNF team but it´s not pulling it anymore, it´s like comparing a modern Ford to a T-Ford.
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    • Profile picture of the author veotis
      I use both, for different projects. Over the years, I seem to have gotten all the keyword tools....Traffic Travis, Keyword Elite 1 & 2, Keyword Research Pro...I seem to use Market Samurai & Micro Niche Finder the most, though.
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  • Profile picture of the author wizlor
    I owned both the software, and MS wins hand down. The reason i using MNF is to check for domain availability.
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  • Profile picture of the author nickey512
    market samurai seem better from people opinion hmm..
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    • Profile picture of the author Russ Emrick
      I have and use both. As one previous poster said - they compliment each other. While MS is very powerful it doesn't do a good job in finding keywords. Both Keyword Elite and MNF are better. Example: using MS to investigate Venture Capitilists did not come up with "Angel Investors" a key segment of the capital raising niche. MNF did.

      I use MNF to generate my keywords and then I import them into MS. I then use to MS to evaluate the SEO and keywords, often using the MNF keywords as root 'tabs' of new keywords.

      As to cost, both are inexpensive, offer life-time upgrades and free support. Extremely good bargins. James Jones has personally helped solved some support issues for me and I can't praise MNF support enough. They are shining examples of integrity and good business practices, especially in over delivering and customer support.

      MS is an indispensable tool for me as well, simply a remarkable product for virtually pennies. From the SEO to content development, MS is an outstanding product and their training and support videos outstanding.

      Good luck...Russ
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      • Profile picture of the author Carlos Tabora
        Originally Posted by Russ Emrick View Post

        I have and use both. As one previous poster said - they compliment each other. While MS is very powerful it doesn't do a good job in finding keywords. Both Keyword Elite and MNF are better. Example: using MS to investigate Venture Capitilists did not come up with "Angel Investors" a key segment of the capital raising niche. MNF did.

        I use MNF to generate my keywords and then I import them into MS. I then use to MS to evaluate the SEO and keywords, often using the MNF keywords as root 'tabs' of new keywords.

        As to cost, both are inexpensive, offer life-time upgrades and free support. Extremely good bargins. James Jones has personally helped solved some support issues for me and I can't praise MNF support enough. They are shining examples of integrity and good business practices, especially in over delivering and customer support.

        MS is an indispensable tool for me as well, simply a remarkable product for virtually pennies. From the SEO to content development, MS is an outstanding product and their training and support videos outstanding.

        Good luck...Russ
        Thanks for sharing your experience on how they compliment each other. It was very helpful.
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      • Profile picture of the author Angelita
        I just want to throw in here that MNF does not work on Mac, which is unfortunate because it is a great tool..


        Originally Posted by Russ Emrick View Post

        I use MNF to generate my keywords and then I import them into MS. I then use to MS to evaluate the SEO and keywords, often using the MNF keywords as root 'tabs' of new keywords.

        Good luck...Russ
        Russ, could you elaborate a bit for me please?
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    • Profile picture of the author AffiliateKungfu
      I am glad I got my Market Samurai for a low $97 simply because I grabbed it on the first day I knew about it. I didn't even download the free trial.

      I understand the lowest discounted price now is $127, normal price being $149, which is very reasonable for a powerful app like that.

      Believe me, even if you use the free version indefinitely, you will feel a great measure of 'guilt' because it's really that good. The keyword research module (ie. the free part) is alone worth the price of the whole works.

      Thank you, Samurai's.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rinz
    I think it depends on your level of knowledge. For starter, MNF is more understandable. But trying to get used to MS will benefits starters one day..
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      • Profile picture of the author methomas
        I bought MNF when it was $25 and love it. All updates have been downloaded immediately.

        It gets it's information direct from Google and the information is as up to date as Google.

        I have never had a problem and I use it almost every day.

        I recommend it as doing everything I need and very easy to use.
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  • Profile picture of the author Negotiator74
    I guess it's a personal choice as both products are great. But my personal choice is Market Samurai for the sheer amount of information it provides.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    yup! That and Microsoft has fixed the OCI service and it is QUICK in MS.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zeb
      Originally Posted by cypherslock View Post

      yup! That and Microsoft has fixed the OCI service and it is QUICK in MS.
      Thanks for the heads up dude. My oci thingy was set to off since a couple ago. Now i can look at that extra oci indicator.
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      Originally Posted by Biks View Post

      Anyone have a promo code for Market Samurai?

      I've heard if you run it in demo mode, THEN hit the buy button within 7 days, you get it for around 97 bucks.
      you heard right.
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  • Profile picture of the author Profolegy
    I would go for Market Samurai because you will grow into it
    and they wont let it get outdated as they use it themselves everyday.

    I bought when it first came out and didnt know what to do with it.
    It has come along way since then.
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      I got MNF about 1 month ago and I love it. My favorite tool is the OCI and I think the free updates are great too.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrdeflation
      well.. MS OCI data aint working right now.. I can tell you that much...


      it reads 0% for all keywords
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    • Profile picture of the author TimD
      I have used both fairly extensively. MNF worked GREAT for me for many months. When I was new, it uncovered a niche that paid me $1,000 a month for several months. So I've been indebted to James and MNF for getting me started.

      I'm doing offline consulting now and MNF doesn't have quite enough oomph. I need to put together a plan to tell my clients how to dominate keywords in whatever business they're in. I can't tell a dentist that he should sell the new Palm Pre because keywords have low competition right now.

      MNF doesn't do a great job of telling you how to compete in the market you're in. It wasn't designed for that. So, now I'm using a combination of MNF and Traffic Travis which has features very similar to MS's SEO Analysis module.
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      • Profile picture of the author dave6
        Hey Gang

        I believe the James in coming out with a big update to MNF on the 15th of this month. If he does we will need to reassess the answer to this question. I have both and currently MS does do more, but MNF was only designed to focus only keywords and not as many different tasks the MS handles.

        Let's wait for the next big update for MNF and then we can decide. I have a feeling it will be a tough call to make. Glad I have both and get free updates.

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    it is for me, though when it doesn't, it is due to microsoft fiddling with that site not MS.

    EDIT: It is doing the same thing for me now, which means Microsoft is futzing with that site again.
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  • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
    I'll put my vote in for Market Samurai.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Hell, get BOTH.
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  • Profile picture of the author mbphoenix
    I've had MNF for over a year and really like it. Regular updates are good. Just updated it recently and I like the new features. They added new "filters" to get rid of unwanted kw's and allowed you to save the filters to use later..
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    • Profile picture of the author Graphix Guru
      It's been a while since anybody posted in this thread, but I thought I throw my two cents in.

      First, Daniel Molano, the master article marketer, who is also a forum member and product creator in good standing and of good reputation (as far as I know) wrote a very interesting review comparing Market Samurai to Micro Niche Finder. It's here:

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      Speaking for myself, I have been using MS for over a year now. Pretty intensively at times, I should add. I've found it to be an amazing source of data, though there are a number of things I don't like about it.

      One weird quirk is that when you use Google's search tool to generate keyword lists, it doesn't match what MS gives you from the same root word or words. I imagine that this has to do with differences in local server databases. In recent months, I've actually come to consider this a "feature" since it provides more kwps (keyword phrases) to look into.

      I think the MS interface is far clunkier than it needs to be. I don't like the fact that closing what most of would think of as a window shuts the program down. I find that particularly irritating.

      Though it has tabs for sub-niche research, you can't change the name of the tabs (which would be handy). Speaking for myself, I often find that the name of the tab ends up becoming less relevant than some of the kwps I end up finding.

      I wish there was a way to have more than one MS file (essentially, a database) open at the same time, and be able to "drag and drop" pages between them.

      Another feature that's sorely lacking is being able to have presets on search parameters. If you use different kw research settings for different purposes (for instance, say George Brown's Google Sniper (micro-site) criteria vs. Daniel Molano's Newbie Blueprint (article marketing) criteria), there's no way to simply tell the app to change out the settings automatically. Yes, you have to do it manually.

      It gets very old, very fast, particularly when you're researching many different niches.

      Another gripe is keyword list management within the program. In some ways, MS works like a spreadsheet. Unfortunately, it's ability to control, sort and manipulate the data is much less capable than even an ancient version of Excel. For instance, you can’t actually select columns, rows or portions thereof. You must either “select all” or select/unselect a row at a time. As you can imagine, when working with 200 kwps at once, this can be cumbersome and frustrating.

      Imagine if you've got a lot of crap kwps spread throughout a list of 200. Getting rid of them can be a huge pain. It's yet another reason I use Google's kwr tools most of the time, instead of the one built-in to MS (even though it supposedly draws directly from Google). For some reason, the latter seems to produce a lot of crapola.

      And that’s another frustration. The 200 kwp limit. Each tab in MS is limited to 200 words. I don’t know about how others feel, but I always get the impression that MS is not telling me about kwps I would really like to know about in a particular “project” or niche.

      Worse yet, there's no way to control what data is exported. You get the entire file, including columns and/rows of data you're not actually showing anymore, whether you like it or not.

      It's also a tad buggy (and always has been). But I suppose that's to be expected with such a powerful program.

      Insofar as support goes, in my experience the software engineers at MS are engaged, passionate and really concerned about how well their product functions. When I’ve had a problem, I’ve heard back from an actual developer – not just a customer support weenie – within hours. I think that’s pretty darn good!

      Being that I'm a Mac guy, I love the fact that it's an Adobe Air product and therefore natively cross platform.

      A big problem with MNF from a Mac user's standpoint is that it must be run virtually. This means you have to make your Mac into a Windows machine, at least in part.

      I'm actually gearing up to install and run Windows 7 because there are several internet marketing related apps that only work under Windows itself. Traffic Travis being yet another keyword tool that falls into this category, but there are others. For instance, Automatic Article Submitter.

      I don't claim to be an expert on keyword tools in general. I bought MS when it was new because it was, by all appearances, a powerful keyword tool that didn’t have monthly fees (hate those) and – most importantly of all – because it worked natively on Macs. But I will say this, based on what little I know of other tools – MS does provide a helluva lot of valuable data! Learning to sort through it and use it is a bit more complicated.

      It also does have many other powerful capabilities in it’s suite of tools. One thing I like is the SEO Competition tool, where you can see how your site and others rank for certain kwps over time. The only thing I don’t like about this is that, because it’s part of MS as a whole, you have to boot MS in order to use it. I really think it would be a great (and far more useful) stand-alone tool.

      In fact, I really wish MS (and this goes for many other apps as well) was entirely web-based. Wouldn’t it be great if you could simply set the SEO Competition module to run 24/7 and come back to it on an as-needed basis without having to use the somewhat chunky and clunky MS interface?

      A major gripe regarding MS, now that I've seen what KeywordReasearchPro can do, is that it's not very useful for brainstorming. Also, I'm really not impressed by it's own kwp generation (as I said). I find that I get an awful lot of unrelated garbage I have to sort through. Google’s kwr tool still seems to provide better and more relevant seed words. What I do is grab those as a text file and paste them into MS, and then let MS give me all the detailed data I need.

      Both programs include OCI (Overall Commercial Intent), which is a valuable indicator – though hardly a perfect one – of whether there are buyers searching for a particular kwp.

      The important point that Daniel Molano makes about MNF, which he prefers over MS, is that MNF provides one bit of critical data MS does not. It’s called SOC – Strength of Competition, and it measures a number of factors as to whether a kwp is worth going after. This is something that not even the MS SEO Competition and SEO Title Competition reveals.

      Assuming the algorithm behind SOC is good (I’ll take Daniel’s enthusiastic recommendation as proof that it is), this is an incredibly useful piece of data that is unmatched elsewhere.

      It’s literally the driving force behind my new push to be able to use MNF. Not only does MNF provide SOC, it also provides a really cool (not to mention simple) Green/Yellow/Red light display that tells you in a glance whether the kwp you’re going after is probably a good one.

      Another tool that looks really promising (again, Windows only) is KeywordResearchPro, developed by Fabian Lim. The fact he makes a living doing corporate-level SEO and runs a Adwords Qualified Company should give some indication as to the potential value of his tool.

      It seems to have many of the best features of MNF and MS, though not necessarily the cool SOC “signal light,” per se. If anybody has experience with KRP, I’d love to hear about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fking
    Does anybody know how exactly MNF's SOC is calculated?
    That seems to be the only thing i might try MNF for,
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    • Profile picture of the author normpurc
      thanks for the great info comparing the two.

      It seems as if MS is the more robust of the two, however would it be overwelming for a novice like me to attempt utilizing it?

      Then there is KeywordResearchPro, so more research is in order.

      Thanks everyone,
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      • Profile picture of the author warfore
        Originally Posted by normpurc View Post

        thanks for the great info comparing the two.

        It seems as if MS is the more robust of the two, however would it be overwelming for a novice like me to attempt utilizing it?

        Then there is KeywordResearchPro, so more research is in order.

        Thanks everyone,
        Norm
        No, it would not be a problem...just watch the tutorials and you will be fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author iw
    I use both of them but MS is my daily companion. I normally use MNF to verify some of the data and counter check keywords from MS. Of course, MS is able to provide a lot more information than MNF. Despite that, I don't heavily depend on them. I still use google keyword tools, google insights and free keyword tool from wordtracker.
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  • Profile picture of the author ckatheman
    I have never tried MNF, but I have used Market Samurai during the free trials (they upped it again for the current 30dc). My problem with the tool is speed - it's slow on every computer I have tried it on, and sometimes hangs - especially when pulling data on a large # of keywords. This is the main reason I have not bought it, and I suspect the Adobe Air platform that it's built on is largely responsible. Also, the user interface is poorly designed - and unintuitive. I do occasionally use the keyword search tool (since it's always free) occasionally - and couple that with SEOquake for competitor analysis. I liked the SEO competition tab, but I think SEOQuake is sufficient for my needs.

    Yes, MS returns a lot of data - slowly, and I dispute the methods taught in the 30dc regarding the SEOC numbers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fking
      Originally Posted by ckatheman View Post


      Yes, MS returns a lot of data - slowly, and I dispute the methods taught in the 30dc regarding the SEOC numbers.
      How do you proceed with the SEOC and SEOTC data?
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
    I own both and think your gonna need to add seospyglass into the mix when using either one.
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  • Profile picture of the author rypher21
    market samurai works really great...
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    • Profile picture of the author getbusy
      Originally Posted by rypher21 View Post

      market samurai works really great...
      I've done pretty well as a mnt affiliate and wondered if ms has a affiliate program and who handles it hopefully cclickbank since I don't have any others such as plimus etc... ?

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  • Profile picture of the author karenloye
    I own both MNF and MS. I love them both. I honestly prefer MNF for quick keyword research. However, I love the robustness of the SEO module of MS. MS has more depth, but I prefer MNF for speed. I generally use MNF first, then pare down results, and validate with various components within MS.
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  • Profile picture of the author seankaye
    Things like "Strength of Competition" are just flawed from the outset because there's no way the developer's algorithm can be detailed enough or be anything than that dev's opinion.

    Superficially you'd have to take in the number of links, strength/value/authority of those links (plus work out how much juice actually flows from the page - could be many other links on the page), the on page factors, age and authority of the domains involved, etc...

    Most of these things say:

    - allintitle for the keyword?
    - allinurl for the keyword?
    - How many competing pages are there for each?
    - Maybe mix in some link calculations...

    I wouldn't let a traffic light on "Strength of Competition" in a piece of software be the determining factor as to whether I use it or not.
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