Skybuilder Review

Banned 12 years ago

I watched a demo video of this product, it looks pretty cool.

Does Apple and Android usually accept these kinds of apps pretty easily though?

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Sarah_Lyle

12 years ago

Eljeffe, does it let you create an app icon for each app that you do? Looks good!

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12 years ago

I just watched this video where Greg Jacobs builds a Rihanna "app" in a few minutes and walks you through the software here:

SkyBuilder Mobile App Builder Software In Action...

Jacobs makes building apps look easy but are they? Would like to know if any Warriors have experience building apps and could chime in here.

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Jeff Lenney

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dayne Dylan

I watched a demo video of this product, it looks pretty cool.

Does Apple and Android usually accept these kinds of apps pretty easily though?

Greg says that android DO accept apps much easier than apple (ios), BUT gives pretty detailed info as to how to get them accepted - I'll be submitting mine to both this weekend, so I can't comment on that yet

Originally Posted by Sarah_Lyle

Eljeffe, does it let you create an app icon for each app that you do? Looks good!

Yes, that's one of the first things you do

Originally Posted by TrafficBot

I just watched this video where Greg Jacobs builds a Rihanna "app" in a few minutes and walks you through the software here:

Jacobs makes building apps look easy but are they? Would like to know if any Warriors have experience building apps and could chime in here.

Yeah actually, here is MY video with me building one - if I wasnt doing the video it probably would have taken me under 10 minutes TOTAL to build it:

Detailed Skybuilder Review And Full Product Walk...

Disclaimer: I DO have an affiliate link in the VIDEO DESCRIPTION on youtube, I'm not putting this here in hopes of getting a sale - just showing Warriors that it IS as easy as Greg says. If you do buy it, just go to SkyBuilder (non aff link)

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Alan Petersen

12 years ago

Originally Posted by eljeffe77

Greg says that android DO accept apps much easier than apple (ios), BUT gives pretty detailed info as to how to get them accepted - I'll be submitting mine to both this weekend, so I can't comment on that yet

Yes, that's one of the first things you do

Yeah actually, here is MY video with me building one - if I wasnt doing the video it probably would have taken me under 10 minutes TOTAL to build it:

Detailed Skybuilder Review And Full Product Walk Through & Demo (Part 1 of 2) - YouTube

Disclaimer: I DO have an affiliate link in the VIDEO DESCRIPTION on youtube, I'm not putting this here in hopes of getting a sale - just showing Warriors that it IS as easy as Greg says. If you do buy it, just go to SkyBuilder (non aff link)

Thanks for the video. Interesting. Did you look into copyright and trademark issues? Or is that covered in Skybuilder training section?

Seems like you could get in a world of trouble just grabbing stuff online (images, blogs, etc).

When your app is up and running let us know, I'd love to check it out. Especially if it's Friday, Friday, Friday.

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Jeff Lenney

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike101

Does the software require any programming skills or deep technical stuff? How soon one will get ROI from the investment?
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Watch my above video and you tell me how much skill i needed

Originally Posted by Alan Petersen

Thanks for the video. Interesting. Did you look into copyright and trademark issues? Or is that covered in Skybuilder training section?

Seems like you could get in a world of trouble just grabbing stuff online (images, blogs, etc).

When your app is up and running let us know, I'd love to check it out. Especially if it's Friday, Friday, Friday.

LOL actually he does cover how to get GOOD images that you wont get in trouble with, I just grabbed that one quickly to demo it - but I do need to find one i can legally use

As for the ap, i'll let you all know haha

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jamesbgr

12 years ago

Very interested in this but when you google "app maker" you get a plethora of softwares that seem to do the same thing for a fraction of the cost. Not sure what it is that sets this apart apart from the keyword tool. Only just spent a few minutes looking at the other options so not sure yet how superior or inferior they are. Maybe the only difference is the guru launch behind it?

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Jeff Lenney

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jamesbgr

Very interested in this but when you google "app maker" you get a plethora of softwares that seem to do the same thing for a fraction of the cost. Not sure what it is that sets this apart apart from the keyword tool. Only just spent a few minutes looking at the other options so not sure yet how superior or inferior they are. Maybe the only difference is the guru launch behind it?

This is honestly the first one I'VE used, so i can't comment on that unfortunately. I am quite happy though with what it does, and the things I've learned since having it about how apps work and the app stores etc

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Mike101

12 years ago

Does the software require any programming skills or deep technical stuff? How soon one will get ROI from the investment?
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adi2010

12 years ago

It looks really good. However, it seems like there are a lot of limits. I would say, it looks like with mobile websites templates. Someone sell, others buy it and build all the same. How about if client have specific needs? Restaurant will have their own needs, Photographer will have his own too etc. At the moment I see that Photo Gallery is ONLY via Flickr(?) How about if I want to show photos from my website? How about restaurant who wants to add food pics with description? Is it possible? How about my own background design and so on and so on.
I know someone who wants iPad app but he is very specific and it makes me think whether Skybuilder can do it. It would be something like local Newspaper including news, blog and LIVE weather forecast, which I cannot see as available option (e.g. tick box with "weather").
Can I design and use my own buttons instead of default black?

One more question for those who already "own" SB.
Can you make short video and show us, not just basic but using one of those Selected Templates? I`m interested to see real estate, restaurant and maybe Photographer.

By the way, what`s difference with paying monthly and one time $997?

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wislndixie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by adi2010

It looks really good. However, it seems like there are a lot of limits. I would say, it looks like with mobile websites templates. Someone sell, others buy it and build all the same. How about if client have specific needs? Restaurant will have their own needs, Photographer will have his own too etc. At the moment I see that Photo Gallery is ONLY via Flickr(?) How about if I want to show photos from my website? How about restaurant who wants to add food pics with description? Is it possible? How about my own background design and so on and so on.
I know someone who wants iPad app but he is very specific and it makes me think whether Skybuilder can do it. It would be something like local Newspaper including news, blog and LIVE weather forecast, which I cannot see as available option (e.g. tick box with "weather").
Can I design and use my own buttons instead of default black?

One more question for those who already "own" SB.
Can you make short video and show us, not just basic but using one of those Selected Templates? I`m interested to see real estate, restaurant and maybe Photographer.

By the way, what`s difference with paying monthly and one time $997?

Thank You

I'm interested in this also. Is the $997 a "one time" fee or is it to be pain annually? Are there any charges for the Push Notification?

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zahid1

12 years ago

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"I'm interested in this also. Is the $997 a "one time" fee or is it to be paid annually? Are there any charges for the Push Notification? "

Hi "wislndixie"

Just pulled this off the skybuilder payment page.
Hope it helps.

" Membership Type SkyBuilder One Year License $997.00 for each one year
A One Year Unlimited License for Access to SkyBuilder - Includes one Ticket to SkyBuilders LIVE! (Best Value over $767 Savings)

SkyBuilder Monthly License $147.00 for each one month
Pay per month - Cancel Anytime"

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wislndixie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by zahid1

QUOTE:
"I'm interested in this also. Is the $997 a "one time" fee or is it to be paid annually? Are there any charges for the Push Notification? "

Hi "wislndixie"

Just pulled this off the skybuilder payment page.
Hope it helps.

" Membership Type SkyBuilder One Year License $997.00 for each one year
A One Year Unlimited License for Access to SkyBuilder - Includes one Ticket to SkyBuilders LIVE! (Best Value over $767 Savings)

SkyBuilder Monthly License $147.00 for each one month
Pay per month - Cancel Anytime"

Zahid1

Thanks Zahid, so we'll have to pay $997 each year to keep the program and able to update and change apps. What happens when the price goes up next year?

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Greg Jacobs

12 years ago

Originally Posted by wislndixie

Everyone of the niche functions listed above can be put into a mobile website. I have a couple of them that list the "Local News" and "local events"on their sites. Seems to me the only thing you can do with an "app" is download it and use it offline. Of course you have to make two of them, one for android and one for the iphone.

Alot of people ask the difference between a mobile website and a mobile app

There are many, but the key difference is that a mobile app is installed on a persons phone and in front of their minds. More importantly you have instant access to each one of these customers with push notifications which have a higher read rate than text messages or emails.

Very very powerful for local businesses and strategic promotions.

Originally Posted by wislndixie

Thanks Zahid, so we'll have to pay $997 each year to keep the program and able to update and change apps. What happens when the price goes up next year?

You are locked in at the price you start with. So when we raise our prices next week, you will stay locked into the price you signed up at for as long as you choose to continue.

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James P 12 years ago

Just a thought...is it possible to subscribe for the monthly offer and then upgrade to annual ?
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zahid1

12 years ago

Hi Guys

Been checking out the review videos etc
The claim is that all Apps created are yours even after you leave the service.
I chatting to somebody today that wanted to cancel and they allowed them an extra 10 days to test... so refund period extended to 40 days.

However in the reply they recieved if they still wanted to refund.
QUOTE Skybuilder support reply.

"1 - Read our refund policy that you agreed to located at skybuilder refund policy link.

2 - If you meet the criteria stated in our refund policy of being under 30 days from purchase and verify in your reply that you have deleted all Apps created from it from your computer, mobile phone and remove them from the AppStore and Android store in addition to your clients sites and phones. If you request a refund for our services you must destroy all content created with our software.

3. Copy and paste your original invoice and your SkyBuilder username in your reply.

4. Reply to this message and acknowledging that you would still like a refund according to our terms of service

5. Once all is verified, we will issue your refund within 2 business day via our payment processor so that they may return your investment.

Thank you for choosing SkyBuilder and we wish you the best of luck, no matter you decision."

Pay close attention to point 2, when you watch the promotional videos they advis ethat the apps are yours etc even if you cancel....this however contradicts the videos from what I can tell... can anybody shed more light on this in case I am mistaken!!

So if you are monthly and you pull out...you and your clients are out the plane with no chute!!!
Same if you are yearly re billing...all your work for the past year is gone....not too good at all.

Especially when they are making themselves out to be the good guys....and putting competitors products as being far inferior.... at least thats the way it came over to me in their video

Would be interested to hear what you guys have heard regarding this and your opinions.

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jamesbgr

12 years ago

Originally Posted by zahid1

Hi Guys

Been checking out the review videos etc
The claim is that all Apps created are yours even after you leave the service.
I chatting to somebody today that wanted to cancel and they allowed them an extra 10 days to test... so refund period extended to 40 days.

However in the reply they recieved if they still wanted to refund.
QUOTE Skybuilder support reply.

"1 - Read our refund policy that you agreed to located at skybuilder refund policy link.

2 - If you meet the criteria stated in our refund policy of being under 30 days from purchase and verify in your reply that you have deleted all Apps created from it from your computer, mobile phone and remove them from the AppStore and Android store in addition to your clients sites and phones. If you request a refund for our services you must destroy all content created with our software.

3. Copy and paste your original invoice and your SkyBuilder username in your reply.

4. Reply to this message and acknowledging that you would still like a refund according to our terms of service

5. Once all is verified, we will issue your refund within 2 business day via our payment processor so that they may return your investment.

Thank you for choosing SkyBuilder and we wish you the best of luck, no matter you decision."

Pay close attention to point 2, when you watch the promotional videos they advis ethat the apps are yours etc even if you cancel....this however contradicts the videos from what I can tell... can anybody shed more light on this in case I am mistaken!!

So if you are monthly and you pull out...you and your clients are out the plane with no chute!!!
Same if you are yearly re billing...all your work for the past year is gone....not too good at all.

Especially when they are making themselves out to be the good guys....and putting competitors products as being far inferior.... at least thats the way it came over to me in their video

Would be interested to hear what you guys have heard regarding this and your opinions.

Cheers

Zahid1

In point 2 it says "refund" not cancel. So I think if you cancel only you should be ok.

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zahid1 12 years ago

Originally Posted by jamesbgr

In point 2 it says "refund" not cancel. So I think if you cancel only you should be ok.

Hi

Thanks for your reply.

I see the slight difference in the wording now...glad I put it out there

So you can only refund in the first 30 day period....which you would lose any apps created but if you cancel at 60 days for example you would get to keep your created apps...seems more reasonable

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- mike_lucas 12 years ago
  
  about the Refund Vs Cancel
  
  I have not yet purchased ..still waiting and watching but having read ,watched and asked a like of question with greg (creator)
  
  Refund - policy is 30 days if you buy and ask for a refund then you must delete all apps etc as stated above this keeps a user from "testing for 30 days selling 5-6 apps and then getting a refund. ie paying nothing to use the software.
  
  Cancel is, you paid X number of months and anything created during this time frame is yours
  
  another questions I seen ask ...Push notices are free and unlimited... a very interesting feature
  
  Due to the cost and dozens of crappy WSO here no support launches after 7 days o, WSO's that are worse then beta software rehashed trash, etc etc I am waiting to see of any major issues so far I have found heard of any . I am sure it has limited as any push button app tool will have, but for the majority I think (if ) it works as published it will be a good tool.
  
  I am waiting till Monday to buy :if nothing bad pops up lol
  
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Sarah_Lyle

12 years ago

It looks good, but I dunno is it me or do the apps look a bit crappy. He says you can earn also from admobile with niche apps but i can't imagine people keeping these types of apps on their homepage when there is so much more sophisticated stuff out there on niche topics. But for local business I can see it has a huge potential! Like Mike Lucas I don't know whether to take the plunge or not, bit pricey...?

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nikolai11

12 years ago

I bought it from the early bird list and im testing it now for a couple of days but i can say it is amazing!
Te apps you create have these options:

Niche Content News (Keyword) Events (Keyword) Twitter Youtube Photo Search
Local Events Local News Local Events Deals
Social Media Accounts Twitter Facebook Youtube Blog Feeds Photo Gallery
Additional Information About Us Location Opening Hours Testimonials Web Page Contact Form Push Notifications GPS Coupons
Monetization/Ads AdMob Mediation Ads Airpush Notification Ads Everbadge Appwall

There is also a possibility to make your own templates in a what you see is what you get application and it supports html.

The apps you create are simple but its good enough.
Its fast, easy to upload on the market (apple is a little bit harder) and if you have a good idea you can make amazing apps.
There is also a software that predicts how much chance of succes your app has.

I recommend it!

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adi2010 12 years ago

Many different opinions and scary is Point 2.
So, who owns apps if I cancel monthly payment after...let`s say 6months?
What difference it makes with mobile websites templates sold around on WF? It looks the same, works the same, the same features with PhotoGallery limitation to Flickr.
Question to guys who own it SB.
How about if I want to implement appointment schedule? Do I have to be also limited to Google calendar?

I was purchasing mobile templates here, but I realized that all are the same, just colors are different. How can I show portfolio with all the same mock ups, but with different company name and colors? I decided to build mobile sites from scratch by myself. It helps a lot, gives me more options to play with and I know what to do in case something goes wrong. I code, I give the name in coding and I know where is it.
I have no idea about building mobile apps and I`m not Mac owner. I can still make app using PhoneGap in Dreamweaver CS6, which is nothing more than mobile site turned into app. However, I`m very limited, but not what I can implement into app, only where I`m allowed to submit without Mac comp. Unfortunately, GooglePlay is the only one to go.

It`s good to see the same minded people to try as me to find out more about SB. It looks good on Video when building simple app.
I want to see more, such: using templates, show me how to implement my own html or whatever code so I can build what I really want. How to add my own Photos without Flickr. (cannot expect all clients will have Flickr account).
Regarding refund policy, it`s very nice catch, which keeps you tided up forever. I wouldn`t say my apps are mine then.
I don`t want to sound negative, but I will be watching this, because I`m still interested. I`m sure sooner or later someone is going to show more videos, than basic and the most important, please give me link to app you built. I`m iPhone user.
At the end I would like to add that I sent email to Greg with several pre-sale questions, but never received answer.
Should I pay $997 first to receive reply? No money, no care. Great service so far.

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- ChristopherGabriel 12 years ago
  
  This is an unbiased opinion from someone who currently makes excellent earnings on the mobile app markets.
  
  They have a good list of functions, but I've seen more functionality at a cheaper price.
  
  There are many app building platforms.. Appgeyser, Appmakr, Buzztouch, Seattle Clouds, amongst others.
  
  I use Seattle Clouds exclusively, they offer unlimited potential and dozens of app templates to choose from, most of which look completely different than the others or function completely different.
  
  At least check out the current top candidates for such a service before you pay such a steep price, that way you know you are making an educated decision.
  
  I have other opinions regarding the 'price-vs-functionality' of this when compared to many other providers, but I have not used the product myself so I can only go off of what I have seen in the video and what people posted on this thread.
  
  Always practice safe purchasing,
  
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  adi2010 12 years ago
  
  @Chris, do you have Seattle Clouds adds running on your app? White lebel cost a lot a month so the set up fees. Are cheaper options add free?
  
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  ChristopherGabriel 12 years ago
  
  Seattle Clouds does not run any ads, you can 'enable' a Seattle Clouds ad into your app but it is an affiliate link associated to your account.
  
  White Label for Seattle Clouds is a different extensive story; It would allow you to offer the full functionality of Seattle Clouds on a separate branded website that is yours and contains your own branding.
  
  I use the business account myself, never had a need for the white-labeled solution.
  
  I can still create local business apps, and since I am an expert with web design; sky is the limit, I can integrate html/css/js/jquery/php/mysql pretty much anything.
  
  I focus mostly on $1-$5 apps I put on the market, so I can't get to much into detail about offline apps, but... I am an SEO consultant at a technology enterprise close to my hometown and the local app I developed for them fully integrated with their website on many levels of complexity and it has been amazing.
  
  I just think when it comes to stuff like this, trust the programmers who came into it to create the best SAAS possible, compared to those trying to accumulate millions of dollars with their marketing charisma.
  
  BUT: Here is the thing,
  
  Seattle Clouds is not a marketing course, they are not going to provide with information for making money with your apps. This is strictly a service provider, their system is practical though and in most cases you can make stunning apps without any skills thanks to their WYSWYG editors, plus they have thousands of stock images you can insert into your apps
  
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  Thanks Chris for clear explanation.
  I will take a look there. I only hope I don`t need Mac and seperate account with Apple as dev
  
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wislndixie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by nikolai11

I bought it from the early bird list and im testing it now for a couple of days but i can say it is amazing!
Te apps you create have these options:

Niche Content News (Keyword) Events (Keyword) Twitter Youtube Photo Search
Local Events Local News Local Events Deals
Social Media Accounts Twitter Facebook Youtube Blog Feeds Photo Gallery
Additional Information About Us Location Opening Hours Testimonials Web Page Contact Form Push Notifications GPS Coupons
Monetization/Ads AdMob Mediation Ads Airpush Notification Ads Everbadge Appwall

There is also a possibility to make your own templates in a what you see is what you get application and it supports html.

The apps you create are simple but its good enough.
Its fast, easy to upload on the market (apple is a little bit harder) and if you have a good idea you can make amazing apps.
There is also a software that predicts how much chance of succes your app has.

I recommend it!

Everyone of the niche functions listed above can be put into a mobile website. I have a couple of them that list the "Local News" and "local events"on their sites. Seems to me the only thing you can do with an "app" is download it and use it offline. Of course you have to make two of them, one for android and one for the iphone.

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Greg Jacobs

12 years ago

Hi, this is Greg - The creator of SkyBuilder - I wanted to clarify a few points that I think are very important for you to make your informed buying decision.

The first point was answered clearly by another warrior, but let me re-iterate.

-If you "Refund" that means getting your money back, then you go back to square one. delete all your apps etc... this is fair, you dont like our service, dont use it to make apps to profit from.

- however if you "cancel" - which means no more future payments.. . then you still fully own and operate all of the apps you have created. they are yours to do whatever you like with, the difference if that you just cannot access the SkyBuilder dashboard to update/maintain them...

It is logical and fair for both parties. So you are NOT locked to us, but if you leave us and still want to update your apps then obviously you are on your own to do this and there are many other solutions out there for this i am sure. .. as you own your apps and can do whatever you want with them.

--Also a very important point that someone made when asking what is the Difference between SkyBuilder and "XXXXXX"

Well as far as I can see there are a few main points that make SkyBuilder SHINE amoung the crowd

-----UNLIMITED Apps - What this means is exactly that. Make as many apps as you like with no per app charge or fees for anything. I usually need to repeat this a few times because customers actually don't quite comprehend how we are offering a competitive service with unlimited apps while others will charge $79 PER APP PER MONTH or a flat fee per app. so Unlimited apps bottom line.... and to top this off, you legally own all your apps from day one. (assuming there is no refunding)

-----Android monetization platforms - This was mentioned above, but included is built in support for AMob, EverBadge, AirPush, StartApp and a system to drive traffic to CPA networks via Push Notifications

----Keyword Genesis. An exlcusive "App Keyword" reseaerch tool that lets you find niches that have high amount of mobile searches, but a low amount of competitive apps, effectivly allowing you to know what keyword to tareget your app to for Max downloads

---WpSky - A Premium Wordpress Plugin that bridges the gap between your website and apps, turning your wpblog into a download machine for apps..

---Extensive training and support on how to get started and thrive at the Local Business Marketing model and the App-niche model.

so im sorry for the long post, but I just wanted to get those things cleared up. I will be watching this thread and answering any questions that fellow warriors may have about Skybuilder to help you with your purchase.

Also, I need to remind that for existing customers, any support issues please direct to our support desk at WPmage - Kayako eSupport Help Desk Software

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daddykool

12 years ago

Is this a review thread for Skybuilder or an App comparison website

@james - yes you can, but seriously, why? you can save a months mortgage payment if you pay for the year on the WF skybuilder price, sell 9 apps to your clients at $100 it is paid for, for the WHOLE year and its is all profit after that!!!

We will post a SWYS (say what you see) review in a bit

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1lov1 12 years ago

1st off for the price I actually think it pretty good for the sophistication of the software if you are doing the local/offline apps. I don't do offline so I was interested in the niche apps and my concern is the niche apps were pretty basic and basic content sources.

I spent a good hour looking through all the celebrity name apps in the android store as seems like celebrity "fan" or sports team 'fan" apps are good example of what you would build for niche apps. The ones I saw on
Android store were similar to what Skybuilder could do(using same type of data sources like Youtube/Rss feeds/social media fees) but some were more sophisticated than what Skybuilder looks like it builds. Unfortunately, the download history and customer reviews were quite bad for most of those apps.

I was curious to see any buyers reviews of the skybuilder training or more advanced niche app creation with Skybuilder. I asked Skybuilder support about my concerns above of just creating little fan apps and if there was more advanced niche app training for what Skybuilder could do and their reply was essentially just create lots of little qpps quickly based on keywords and see what sticks....

I almost bought it but just felt that I would be creating an army of little junky apps that would die off quickly and really wanted to see someone explain how some more advanced training on the niche apps that this software could do.

(on a side note, I was an early buyer of Greg's WP Mage product in 2009 and will say I did make good money with those sites and their support was good, but that autoblog/autocontent model died off and the sites fell off google rankings....My concern is that thise niche apps are similar to this model of pulling popular autocontent and creating lots of low level apps so I didn't buy Skybuilder because I didn't see how to make more advanced niche apps with this software. )

If there is more advanced training on the niche apps I probably would have bought it as I think the price is good for the software and support they provide.
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Sarah_Lyle

12 years ago

What the heck, I am in - it's just too good an opportunity for offline stuff, and it seems great value when you consider all the extras thrown in.

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wislndixie 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Sarah_Lyle

What the heck, I am in - it's just too good an opportunity for offline stuff, and it seems great value when you consider all the extras thrown in.

I'm not sure what you mean by "offline stuff". I to am looking for mobile apps that can be used when a user is offline. I don't believe any of the apps made with skybuilder will work offline. As far as I know, they all draw their content when you are connected to the internet, pretty much like a mobile website.

I have a school and two churches that might like a mobile app that lists schedules, meeting times, service times etc:, without having to connect to the internet. I may be missing something here with skybuilder since I haven't bought the package yet. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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12 years ago

By "offline" I mean local businesses.

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wislndixie 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Sarah_Lyle

By "offline" I mean local businesses.

That's what I'm after Sarah, the local businesses. Just not sure how this app thing is any better or different than a local business website. As I mentioned, I'm not sure a local businesses or one of their customers could use the app unless they're connected to the internet..
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Michael_Le

Banned 12 years ago

this is seriously over hyped and over priced, there are other providers that offer the same capabilities and more for way less than what greg is charging.

i suggest people who are interested in making apps to look around before committing IMO

check out ibuildapp.com or andromo.com

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mike_lucas

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael_Le

this is seriously over hyped and over priced, there are other providers that offer the same capabilities and more for way less than what greg is charging.

i suggest people who are interested in making apps to look around before committing IMO

check out ibuildapp.com or andromo.com

Michael I looked at many of the platforms you talked about as I do strictly offline I have about 100 clients about 45 of them have apps if I used one of the systems you talk about I would have to pay a minimum $900.00 a month and they would have their branding

secondly andromo is only for android most ....every business was also a iphone app add in another 1000-2000 a month for thatg app and for the 40 apps I currently have I wuld be paying 2000. 4000 per month in charges.

lets see 147 Monthly ( or 84 avg )

I am getting about 10-20 request per month for apps

While I have not purchased skybilder yet( to be honest I am moving forward this Thursday I have decided) the cost savinga along will pay for it in less than a month for me

even for new most systems that are free or allow you to produce apps limit the downloads to 500 or less, then charge you for each and every app. If you are in the offline world and plan on having any real number of clients the cost can add up.Yes you can charge to cover your cost but if you can either
a- make more profit
b- charge less getting more clients ..making more profit

It seems like a win win at least for the offline part.

As far as the affiliate apps and others ways to earn income, I have real doubts about that but I don't know never tried lol but I do know when I talked to my clients about having an app and show them the app (existing client base FYI) I am closing around 47%.

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wislndixie 12 years ago

Hi Mike, I'm interested in strictly offline for my clients also. I don't enough posts to pm you would you send me a pm? I have a question or two for you.
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12 years ago

Mike,

Thanks for sharing the analysis.

What kind apps and on which platforms are you building that leads you to buy SkyBuilder instead ot the other similar solutions: how do you confirm that it can build your kind of apps (functionality, graphics, user interaction, etc)?

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12 years ago

90 % of the business I deal with just want a "moible app" ie restaurant a menu for example... nothing really to pressing

I have 30 days if I don't like it lol but many of the"free sites offer very little more in features and charge per app..I know I have looked at every one I can find or limit downloads then charge

Also, I really like the idea I don't have to use a mac to get into the app store ...again this is what skybuilder claims... I have not see anyone say they were having problems

many small businesses just love the idea of having an app to be honest is a huge door opener for me then I can upsell them the pushes notices for an additional monthly fee and the owner is happy ..I am happy

IfI can get unlimited apps and unlimited downloads for less than $50.00 a month ( paying annual ) its a win -win .I have waited to see if there were any major issues ,bugs etc as we all have seen this in tons of WSO's but so far its looks to be doing what is says... I made a promise to myself to wait till Thursday and but but I found a $1.00, 3 day trial offer (W00t! )and so I can try and for 3 days and then go ahead a buy if I still think its will work. remember if you Cancel during the three days you must delete -destroy all of your apps, which is not a problem if it don't work ) so I am moving ahead with the 3 day , $1.00 trial offer

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12 years ago

Care to share (if even by PM) where you found the 3 day $1 offer?

Also, have you compared Skybuilder toe to toe with Seattle Clouds?

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Originally Posted by mike_lucas

90 % of the business I deal with just want a "moible app" ie restaurant a menu for example... nothing really to pressing

I have 30 days if I don't like it lol but many of the"free sites offer very little more in features and charge per app..I know I have looked at every one I can find or limit downloads then charge

Also, I really like the idea I don't have to use a mac to get into the app store ...again this is what skybuilder claims... I have not see anyone say they were having problems

many small businesses just love the idea of having an app to be honest is a huge door opener for me then I can upsell them the pushes notices for an additional monthly fee and the owner is happy ..I am happy

IfI can get unlimited apps and unlimited downloads for less than $50.00 a month ( paying annual ) its a win -win .I have waited to see if there were any major issues ,bugs etc as we all have seen this in tons of WSO's but so far its looks to be doing what is says... I made a promise to myself to wait till Thursday and but but I found a $1.00, 3 day trial offer (W00t! )and so I can try and for 3 days and then go ahead a buy if I still think its will work. remember if you Cancel during the three days you must delete -destroy all of your apps, which is not a problem if it don't work ) so I am moving ahead with the 3 day , $1.00 trial offer

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mike_lucas 12 years ago

Yes I phone platform with a cost per app have to upgrade to get pushes notices and limited to the number of upgrades per app ( usually not a issue) but only for Iphone

so I need to get two systems to create my app to cost per app. I prefer simply and quick as I said 90% of the business I deal with want a basic app and a good price. the lower per app cost I can get and still delivery what my clients wants more profit for me and to be honest much less work .

I have sent a pm to the link I found for the 3 day $1.00 trail offer I am watching the training which is also something that is missing in many of the platforms mentioned in other post I have found.
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Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by mike_lucas

Michael I looked at many of the platforms you talked about as I do strictly offline I have about 100 clients about 45 of them have apps if I used one of the systems you talk about I would have to pay a minimum $900.00 a month and they would have their branding

secondly andromo is only for android most ....every business was also a iphone app add in another 1000-2000 a month for thatg app and for the 40 apps I currently have I wuld be paying 2000. 4000 per month in charges.

lets see 147 Monthly ( or 84 avg )

I am getting about 10-20 request per month for apps

While I have not purchased skybilder yet( to be honest I am moving forward this Thursday I have decided) the cost savinga along will pay for it in less than a month for me

even for new most systems that are free or allow you to produce apps limit the downloads to 500 or less, then charge you for each and every app. If you are in the offline world and plan on having any real number of clients the cost can add up.Yes you can charge to cover your cost but if you can either
a- make more profit
b- charge less getting more clients ..making more profit

It seems like a win win at least for the offline part.

As far as the affiliate apps and others ways to earn income, I have real doubts about that but I don't know never tried lol but I do know when I talked to my clients about having an app and show them the app (existing client base FYI) I am closing around 47%.

would be good to hear how it works out for you mike with the offline clients...

could you also send me the link for the 3 day trial?
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mike_lucas

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael_Le

would be good to hear how it works out for you mike with the offline clients...

could you also send me the link for the 3 day trial?
cheers

well I created 2 local business app tonight 1 of which I am 99% sure I can sell it was quick and easy and for whom i have in mind I am sure she will be happy. if there is any issues I come across I will be sure to post them here as I have no problms is saying some is broke or needs improvement I don't do affiliate stuff so I have zero vested interest expect my money I spent lol.

On small WSO I usually do not ask for a refund but on this big ticket item if it don't deliver I will but so far I really do like what I see.

pm sent with the 3 day -$1.00 offer

sure pm sent

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wislndixie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mike_lucas

well I created 2 local business app tonight 1 of which I am 99% sure I can sell it was quick and easy and for whom i have in mind I am sure she will be happy. if there is any issues I come across I will be sure to post them here as I have no problms is saying some is broke or needs improvement I don't do affiliate stuff so I have zero vested interest expect my money I spent lol.

On small WSO I usually do not ask for a refund but on this big ticket item if it don't deliver I will but so far I really do like what I see.

pm sent with the 3 day -$1.00 offer

sure pm sent

Mike, I'm using the 3 day trial also. The problem I've run into and I haven't heard back from support yet is I created two business apps using the smb software. Once I'm done, the only option I see is to download it to the desktop. I asked support how to get the app on my smartphone and they told me to download the app to my desktop and "email it to myself" and then it would load on my phone.

I haven't found a way either in their videos or manual on how we're supposed to make the app available for download for the clients customers. Since this is a small business app, I don't think it would be loaded up to google play. So I'm confused as to where the small business app is hosted and how it's downloaded for customers. How are you doing this?
Mike

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by wislndixie

Mike, I'm using the 3 day trial also. The problem I've run into and I haven't heard back from support yet is I created two business apps using the smb software. Once I'm done, the only option I see is to download it to the desktop. I asked support how to get the app on my smartphone and they told me to download the app to my desktop and "email it to myself" and then it would load on my phone.

I haven't found a way either in their videos or manual on how we're supposed to make the app available for download for the clients customers. Since this is a small business app, I don't think it would be loaded up to google play. So I'm confused as to where the small business app is hosted and how it's downloaded for customers. How are you doing this?
Mike

Hi, our support desk probably didn't understand what you were asking, please PM me your ticket # or email and I will look it up

Short answer is you are missing a step

Step One - put it on your own phone (by emailing it to yourself)
Step Two - Sell the app to a client
Step Three - Upload it to Google Play (yes google play) and iTunes

so first you need to get through step one

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wislndixie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Greg Jacobs

Hi, our support desk probably didn't understand what you were asking, please PM me your ticket # or email and I will look it up

Short answer is you are missing a step

Step One - put it on your own phone (by emailing it to yourself)
Step Two - Sell the app to a client
Step Three - Upload it to Google Play (yes google play) and iTunes

so first you need to get through step one

Thanks,
Greg

(Owner of SkyBuilder)

Hi Greg, thanks for the quick reply. I just want to make sure about your answer. This is an app for a small business using your SMB software (which I really do like) and I still upload the business app to Google Play?

If so, then I'm assuming once it's on Google Play, my client can direct or I'll direct prospective users to the app on google play to download?

Thanks again,
Mike

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infohighwayman 12 years ago

From my understanding,with Skybuilder, the push notifications are free after the nomal monthly or annual licensing fee. This would seem to be very lucrative for offline bar or restraunt branding and marketing during the slower customer count periods or off days. You could even charge the establishement for these notifications on each indidual noticifation if it is a valuable addition to their profit margin.And the customer could start fun topical celebration nights or contests(like trivia contests.) hmmmmm.
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AUKev

12 years ago

Mike,

For Android apps, you can deliver the apps multiple ways. You can email them, offer a download page on a website or even upload to a server and create a QR code that can be scanned and automatically download the app.

The caveat here is that most Android devices by default are set to only allow Market apps to be installed on the device. To put on directly, the user would have to go to their phone settings --> Security --> Unknown Sources and click the check box 'Allow installation of non-Market apps'.

I have dozens of non-market apps on my Android device.

As for Apple, as far as I know today, there is no way to get an app onto an Apple device without going through the Apple iTunes Market.

Originally Posted by wislndixie

Hi Greg, thanks for the quick reply. I just want to make sure about your answer. This is an app for a small business using your SMB software (which I really do like) and I still upload the business app to Google Play?

If so, then I'm assuming once it's on Google Play, my client can direct or I'll direct prospective users to the app on google play to download?

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Michael_Le

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by mike_lucas

well I created 2 local business app tonight 1 of which I am 99% sure I can sell it was quick and easy and for whom i have in mind I am sure she will be happy. if there is any issues I come across I will be sure to post them here as I have no problms is saying some is broke or needs improvement I don't do affiliate stuff so I have zero vested interest expect my money I spent lol.

On small WSO I usually do not ask for a refund but on this big ticket item if it don't deliver I will but so far I really do like what I see.

pm sent with the 3 day -$1.00 offer

sure pm sent

cheers dude, will be back with a review once i've tried this out. though i have to admit, i'm starting to see the good side of it but still have doubts

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12 years ago

I have been working with SB for about a week now and have 3-4 apps almost complete. Complete to the point of testing them, but nothing published.

I have a few minor complaints. The Twitter and Facebook tabs, open up in a separate window (your browser), so you are outside the bounds of the app at that point. Hitting the back button will take you back into the app. I personally prefer keeping them inside the app like it works with BizApps.

I like to iframe in mobile pages often. This way, I can update the mobile pages dynamically as needed and not have to resynch the app in the store and have my users download and reinstall a new version. You can build WYSIWYG tabs, but when doing an html iframe, it is clunky. It puts a border around the iframe and it leaves 10-15 pixels space around the edge of the frame. It is obvious it is a frame, instead of having an iframe be the entire area of the app. Most other app providers including BizApps and Seattle Clouds have a specific tab type for a web page.

I LOVE the Push! This is the best push I have seen a provider offer so far. You can schedule future pushes and the best part is that you can attach a URL to a push. When the user gets notified and they click on it, it will take them to the URL. AWESOME for embedding affiliate links and driving the customers to a web page.

I have a BizApps account and use it for high end apps. Start streaming audio or video et al, BA is great. But, for many of my smaller apps, I cannot justify $30-50 per month per app to publish.

I have been testing Seattle Clouds the past couple of days and while it is not as robust as BizApps, it is stronger than SB with a lower cost. But, I do NOT like the BA or SC Push. Both of them offer a push, with the message being stored on a tab for messages.

So currently I have not completely settled on a platform. They all have advantages and disadvantages over the others. Long term I think I will end up with multiple product offerings. BA for premium apps and SB or SC for basic or low cost apps.

I can say with SB, that I can knock out apps in less than an hour. In fact, my last app, it took me longer to locate the app icon image and splash screen image than it did to create the app and start testing.

I have also easily integrated Admob into my app and have even my demo apps serving up ads.

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cganz 12 years ago

I agree with what Kevin says in the WSO. So far the interface for SC is way too complicated. But like everything else there is a learning curve. I did publish some SB apps and they worked fine. Just some fine tuning in order to get pictures and text not to overlap in the Android App. Waiting for the IOS approval. Push worked flawlessly. GPS didn't work, you can't load a Google Map easily, can't customize icons, can't put Click To Call on multiple pages using shortcodes etc and I don't like the title showing at the top of the app. Prefer to be able to remove it but you can't.

But for ease of use this seems so far to be the easiest app of all. Created 5 apps in less than two days and published two on the Android store which seem to work fine.

Still some outstanding issues which I hope will be completed soon. Customers will demand more than so far we can produce even with so-called simple apps. Customers demands are never simple.
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by AUKev

I have a few minor complaints. The Twitter and Facebook tabs, open up in a separate window (your browser), so you are outside the bounds of the app at that point. Hitting the back button will take you back into the app. I personally prefer keeping them inside the app like it works with BizApps.

I like to iframe in mobile pages often. This way, I can update the mobile pages dynamically as needed and not have to resynch the app in the store and have my users download and reinstall a new version. You can build WYSIWYG tabs, but when doing an html iframe, it is clunky. It puts a border around the iframe and it leaves 10-15 pixels space around the edge of the frame. It is obvious it is a frame, instead of having an iframe be the entire area of the app. Most other app providers including BizApps and Seattle Clouds have a specific tab type for a web page.

Very good points! Hopefully Greg Jacobs will reply to this, as well as the following points by cganz:

"GPS didn't work, you can't load a Google Map easily, can't customize icons, can't put Click To Call on multiple pages using shortcodes etc and I don't like the title showing at the top of the app. Prefer to be able to remove it but you can't."

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mike_lucas 12 years ago

I suspect if you want greg to respond you use the support system within the program. I dont think he visits here often as this is not a WSO so he would be less likly to monitior these thread

Now these are come good points I seen addressed if any one does summit a ticket and get a response it would be cool to post it here as to keep everyone informed. If no one has submitted a question on this issues I would be more then happy to do so and post any responses but I rather not submit double tickets.

Also I have gotten a few pm requested the link for the 3 day trail for $1.00

you can either pm me or email me and I will be happy to send anyone the link I found as I figure thereare more then enough g businesses needing apps

email mlucas at 303 dot gmail.com or a pm
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by fitzpatg

Very good points! Hopefully Greg Jacobs will reply to this, as well as the following points by cganz:

"GPS didn't work, you can't load a Google Map easily, can't customize icons, can't put Click To Call on multiple pages using shortcodes etc and I don't like the title showing at the top of the app. Prefer to be able to remove it but you can't."

Greg?

I'm going to agree with Mike, and try not to set a standard here as this is review thread not a wishlist and our support desk is much more complete and dependable with their replies than me posting on a forum which is quite informal.

So the blanket answer I will tell you is that what you see now is Phase 1. We have all these things and more than we can even divulge on our list for development. So its all coming and more. The cool thing is if you like the features that we have now enough to use it, that if you get in now, you are locked in at your rate. So when we have more features and double our prices you are still locked in at the rate you joined at

Also if you have a specfic bug, as always submit a ticket to our support desk and they are more than equipped to help.

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AUKev

12 years ago

I do not know what features are in the planning stages of being added, but I can honestly say as a customer of Greg Jacobs with his WPMage product that the product got continuous updates and added features often.

I am hoping that SB gets it's own forum, that is where some HUGE value came from in the Mage group.

I am still trying to flush out my long term 'value' app platform and at this moment, it is close between SkyBuilder and Seattle Cloud.

Since this is a SB review thread, I will stick to it. I will say that at this time, SB absolutely has the best Push technology and certainly has the lowest learning curve to getting apps out. You do not have to be very technical to publish apps.

But here is what you have to consider... I am a Java developer. I can literally write an Android app from scratch using Eclipse and the Android SDK. I can do almost anything. I could spend hundreds or thousands of hours to create a killer app. The ONLY limitation would be the Android Operating System. It is technical, but the features are limitless.

So now, you take a tool that knocks out the technical aspects. The less technical the tool, the less features you will have. It is a limiting factor. So there is the trade off. Seattle Clouds platform has more features than SkyBuilder. But SC is quite a bit more technical than SB. So consider that the easier the tool is for building, then the less features that will be available.

Therefore, I have determined for my business, I will have 2 tools. One for higher end apps that require things like streaming podcasts or video or even live video or higher user interaction. Then I will have a tool for value apps. Most local business owners do not need the Porsche of apps. They just want to say they have an app to impress their customers and build their brand. Or build quick niche apps. SB is certainly something to consider.

I will update my progress this week as I continue to work with both this and Seattle Clouds.

Based on my experience with WPMage, I trust that Greg and his team will continue to improve the product into the future. Greg is not a typical WSO seller where a product works for a month and then you are screwed. You may hate the monthly fee, but Greg does not want steal a month of fee from you. He wants your money every month for years to come. :-) Otherwise, his income will drop drastically as new app builders come available, so he will have to improve the product to keep active members.

I have been in a holding pattern since last October trying to land on a value app platform. I suggest you pick one and go with it. Whether it is SB, SC, BizApps or whatever. Pick one and start building apps.

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12 years ago

Kevin

I see your smoking a nice stogie. looks like a hoya but cannot really tell. always love bonding with fellow cigar aficionados

also.. your right about Greg. he is an excellent marketer BUT also in this for the long run.

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12 years ago

BBF's are one of my favorites for sure. The cigar in my picture is my all time favorite. A La Flor Dominicana Double Ligero 700 Maduro. In fact right now I am on my back porch smoking a DL700 Maduro and working on a SkyBuilder app.

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Kevin

I see your smoking a nice stogie. looks like a hoya but cannot really tell. always love bonding with fellow cigar aficionados

also.. your right about Greg. he is an excellent marketer BUT also in this for the long run.

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PS. I have some boxes of bolivar belicosos that have been aging for 6 years in my humidor.. will be trying one out this weekend

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ZNICK 12 years ago

Does SB work for Windows or Blackberrys?

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12 years ago

Kevin

that is a fine smoke my friend. have not had one of those in a long while. I moved out of the states 12 years ago from NYC right after 9/11 and now live in costa rica where some cigar smoking freedoms are still available plus I have easy access to cuba for some additional treats

if you ever want to visit look me up.

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BBF's are one of my favorites for sure. The cigar in my picture is my all time favorite. A La Flor Dominicana Double Ligero 700 Maduro. In fact right now I am on my back porch smoking a DL700 Maduro and working on a SkyBuilder app.

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sammib01

12 years ago

Originally Posted by AUKev

BBF's are one of my favorites for sure. The cigar in my picture is my all time favorite. A La Flor Dominicana Double Ligero 700 Maduro. In fact right now I am on my back porch smoking a DL700 Maduro and working on a SkyBuilder app.

We have La Flor Dominicana here in Europe to. You have very good taste. Enjoy it. Glad to see people with taste here as well.

As far as software, I bought WPMage and it did nothing for me but cost me money. Nothing against Greg, I like Greg and respect what he does , but WPMage was a bad decision on my part. It looks as though this is much better. I like Seattle Clouds myself although I am not an expert, but I can see how SkyBuilder could be good for many people. Good luck.

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sammib01

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bluecoyotemedia

Kevin

I see your smoking a nice stogie. looks like a hoya but cannot really tell. always love bonding with fellow cigar aficionados

also.. your right about Greg. he is an excellent marketer BUT also in this for the long run.

eddie

PS. I have some boxes of bolivar belicosos that have been aging for 6 years in my humidor.. will be trying one out this weekend

Hi guys,

Just wanted to say I am an American but live in Europe so I get real Cubans here. I do like the dominicans for regular smoking but after a good meal I love a Cohiba or Montecristo they are stronger but after eatting it is great.

Great to see other cigars smokers here. Keep puffing...

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bitwise

12 years ago

What are all the ways you can monetize with this? (admob, startapp, etc?)

Can we add our own sdks by any chance?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by bitwise

What are all the ways you can monetize with this? (admob, startapp, etc?)

Can we add our own sdks by any chance?

Thanks!

Current Monetization methods
-Admob
-StartApp
-Everbadge Wall
-Airpush (coming soon)
-Push Notifications to CPA offers (my fav)

as of now no adding your own SDK's but it is a good idea we can look at.

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gabluesky

12 years ago

Does it cost anything to put an app on Google play? Also, what are push notifications that people are talking about?

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maidmarion 12 years ago

I can see easy money being built from making Apps for local busineses, but this won't work for everyone. If you don't have much computer tech knowledge you can make an app, but perhaps trying to sell it is harder as you don't have any credentials. If I was a computer programmer or worked in computers it would be easy to sell it to someone else as this is your field and you are an expert in it and you look like an expert.

Anyway, wondering if by using the niche method, with admob etc. has anyone received much money from this? I know the equivalent, adsense, is pretty slow to make money, wondering if this was the same.

Anyone made money from Niche marketing of Apps?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by gabluesky

Does it cost anything to put an app on Google play? Also, what are push notifications that people are talking about?

25.00 per year unlimited apps to Google (android)
Iphone 99.00 per year unlimited apps

Pushed are notices or similar to text messages that are sent to any user that has download your app (short version)

Also as stated Skybuilder is closing this evening at midnight I knwo a few have asked me for the link the the 3 day trial for 1.00 I think I sent the info to all who asked it now you have a few hours left to get in then from everything I heard its closed.

I do believe unlike many (limited WSO) that closed will mean closed as I long ago purchased on of Greg's products a few years back (mage) and when he closed... he closed.

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einsmite

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mike_lucas

25.00 per year unlimited apps to Google (android)
Iphone 99.00 per year unlimited apps

To publish Android apps on Google Play, it's a one-time fee of $25 rather than annual.
https://support.google.com/googlepla...=1njg14nqndbhh

I bought Skybuilder a few days ago and have been playing around with it. It's pretty cool but has some kinks that need ironing out, as with any new product. I'm hoping to see updates next week after the launch closes.

My intent is to focus on selling apps to brick-and-mortar businesses. The "niche app" thing is likely to get the hammer from Google before too long, IMO. Just like they did with the SERPs, they're going to look at all these junky, low-value apps in the marketplace and decide it's time to clean it up.

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cncbuss

12 years ago

Originally Posted by einsmite

My intent is to focus on selling apps to brick-and-mortar businesses. The "niche app" thing is likely to get the hammer from Google before too long, IMO. Just like they did with the SERPs, they're going to look at all these junky, low-value apps in the marketplace and decide it's time to clean it up.

I don't see why Google would bring the hammer down on the type of app we're building. I mean, c'mon, we're providing users with quality content, regardless of how easy it is to build. We're assembling everything interesting about particular niches which people are searching for. There's no black hatting here, IMHO.

Selling the apps to local businesses is a terrific angle, though. And one which doesn't necessitate one to be a Marketing GOD to convince a small-med sized business owner to buy. I have a feeling that this way of selling apps will last only so long. Business owners will lean to do it themsleves in time or find a cheaper alternative in time, I think. .

I believe there's good money to be made using both methods for now. Milk it for all it's worth while lasts, I say.

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einsmite

12 years ago

Originally Posted by cncbuss

I don't see why Google would bring the hammer down on the type of app we're building. I mean, c'mon, we're providing users with quality content, regardless of how easy it is to build. We're assembling everything interesting about particular niches which people are searching for. There's no black hatting here, IMHO.

It could be I'm overly paranoid, but... this is Google we're talking about. :p

I'm sure a lot of niche apps on the market deliver value, but I see more that are just pure crap. I really don't think G is gonna let that go on too long. JMHO.

Originally Posted by cncbuss

Selling the apps to local businesses is a terrific angle, though. And one which doesn't necessitate one to be a Marketing GOD to convince a small-med sized business owner to buy. I have a feeling that this way of selling apps will last only so long. Business owners will lean to do it themsleves in time or find a cheaper alternative in time, I think. .

I believe there's good money to be made using both methods for now. Milk it for all it's worth while lasts, I say.

Agreed!

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bluecoyotemedia

12 years ago

I don't think offline business will be building these apps.

in fact I spoke with a Deli owner yesterday and he had a little experience in internet marketing

and his response to me was

why should I hire you to do this when I can do this myself

I understand exactly how you feel.. it would be me asking you the same question

why would I buy a sandwich from you when I can just make one myself!!!

he bought lol

business owners are so busy running there business that they have not the time nor the expertise to do these kinds of things

eddie

Originally Posted by cncbuss

I don't see why Google would bring the hammer down on the type of app we're building. I mean, c'mon, we're providing users with quality content, regardless of how easy it is to build. We're assembling everything interesting about particular niches which people are searching for. There's no black hatting here, IMHO.

Selling the apps to local businesses is a terrific angle, though. And one which doesn't necessitate one to be a Marketing GOD to convince a small-med sized business owner to buy. I have a feeling that this way of selling apps will last only so long. Business owners will lean to do it themsleves in time or find a cheaper alternative in time, I think. .

I believe there's good money to be made using both methods for now. Milk it for all it's worth while lasts, I say.

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AUKev 12 years ago

I now have 4 Android niche apps published and I am already averaging about $2 per day in Admob commissions. I am working on Admob mediation to use some additional networks. Admob is notorious for the lowest in commissions.

$2 a day is not much and I have an average of less than 100 installs per app (in less than a week), but growing fast. My goal is to have 50 apps deployed within 30 days. If I can just get $2 per day per app, I am making $3K /mo. Then hire a VA and put out 75-100 apps per month.

I have not even started my long term monetization yet. Once my install base grows, I plan to use Push notifications to affiliate offers and/or CPA offers. That is where the real revenue is long term. Now I just have to learn the proper balance of Push and people uninstalling the app. Much like an email list, there needs to be value and the right timing and quantity of touches.

I know SB is closed now, but I have tested MANY platforms. And although most other solutions over more functionality and more robustness, I LOVE the SB Push platform. It is quick and allows redirect to any URL. It really is slick for sending users to affiliate or CPA offers. Hopefully they will fix a few minor bugs and this tool will be great. My biggest bug complaints are: rotating to horizontal on Android app causes app to crash, No pinch zoom functionality (standard Android feature), iframe puts a border around your webpage so it makes it obvious it is an external site). Other than that, it does what I need.

LITERALLY, it takes me longer to find the images for the launch icons and splash page than it does for me to build the apps. If I had all the images, I am building apps in 15 minutes. Heck it also takes longer to put in the ads than to build the app.
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bluecoyotemedia

12 years ago

Kevin

aside from having good taste in cigars

your a kick ass marketer also

good mix

congrats on the initial success

eddie

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Aubrey

12 years ago

I ask Mike this question, now I see more people on this forum is more knowledgable than other forums, I am asking the question here :-)

Is there a platform to build an ebook as a mobile app? The book app will allow people to download free and read the first few chapters. If they like it, they click a button to pay and read the full book.

I know I can build the book in epub format or the universal PDF format (I prefer the PDF), but do not know how to get the trial reading mechanism into the PDF book. Anybody know?

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einsmite

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Aubrey

I ask Mike this question, now I see more people on this forum is more knowledgable than other forums, I am asking the question here :-)

Is there a platform to build an ebook as a mobile app? The book app will allow people to download free and read the first few chapters. If they like it, they click a button to pay and read the full book.

I know I can build the book in epub format or the universal PDF format (I prefer the PDF), but do not know how to get the trial reading mechanism into the PDF book. Anybody know?

Apple has an "in-app purchase" feature that could be used to require payment to access further content. Not an expert, but I don't think Android has that, though, so you'd be limited to the Apple platform.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by einsmite

Apple has an "in-app purchase" feature that could be used to require payment to access further content. Not an expert, but I don't think Android has that, though, so you'd be limited to the Apple platform.

Android does have it too.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Amber Jalink

Originally Posted by einsmite

Apple has an "in-app purchase" feature that could be used to require payment to access further content. Not an expert, but I don't think Android has that, though, so you'd be limited to the Apple platform.

Android does have it too.

Thanks, Amber, I didn't know that. Seattle Clouds only makes that feature available for Apple, so I thought Android didn't have it. Lo and behold, there's all kinds of info about it on the Android developer site!

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gathersuccess

12 years ago

I got skybuilder as well.. has anyone managed to get the app approved by Apple? because this is the reply I had from Apple

We found that the experience your app provides is not sufficiently
different from browsing a content or link aggregator web site, as required
by the App Store Review
Guidelines.

Based on what I know it would be easier to get it approve if there is camera function to it.. I written a support ticket to them.. I hope they consider to add that in... if not I believe many people who create the apps will get rejected...

If you managed to get approved by Apple care to share what functions u added it to get it approved?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by gathersuccess

I got skybuilder as well.. has anyone managed to get the app approved by Apple? because this is the reply I had from Apple

We found that the experience your app provides is not sufficiently
different from browsing a content or link aggregator web site, as required
by the App Store Review
Guidelines.

Based on what I know it would be easier to get it approve if there is camera function to it.. I written a support ticket to them.. I hope they consider to add that in... if not I believe many people who create the apps will get rejected...

If you managed to get approved by Apple care to share what functions u added it to get it approved?

I haven't submitted to the App Store, but I intend to and have concerns about this with Skybuilder. The apps are pretty much content, there's not much the end user can actually DO with them. I'm hoping to see native phone features added very soon, or firm indications they're coming soon. I'd like to see users be able to share apps with their friends via SMS or Facebook, use camera functions and other things specific to smartphones.

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cyber49

12 years ago

After reading this thread, I've investigated all of the services mentioned here, and for various reasons have narrowed it down to Seattle Clouds and Skybuilder, and I'm leaning towards SB.

The price seems comparable, and I think the features are too, although @AUKev says that "Seattle Clouds platform has more features than SkyBuilder. But SC is quite a bit more technical than SB." Care to elaborate?

Looking at SC's feature list -
Desing an iPhone App Online
it seems that aside from White Label and FTP access are the only things costing more than $99 per month. Can anyone speak to the "more features" in SB ?

1. Anyone know if SB offers ftp access? Although I'm not sure why I'd need it.

2. With SB, it's totally "white label" already, correct? There's no indication that the app is built or maintained using Skybuilder, is there?

3. Does SB offer multiple logins , and if so, any segmentation? Like for example, could we offer a client the ability to maintain their own app?

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cncbuss

12 years ago

If anyone is still interested in this, I just got an e-mail from Greg Jacobs and he'll be pulling the plug on SB at midnight Sunday the 22nd. I think he got pi**ed off at being criticized for the high cost and short guarantee. I figure he'll raise the price (maybe even double) starting Monday morning.

I picked up a copy of Christopher Gabriel's releases, Revenge of the APPS (that's the name of the program, go figure) for only $13 this past week and have learned the basics of building apps using Seattle Clouds as that program outlines. It's good and I can really see the potential, but you do have more work to do with Revenge-O-D_APPS. But, you still need to subscribe to SC for $99 per month. Nonetheless, it's a great program and you can get started on building some apps before you start the $99/ month subscription.

We've all heard the expression, "once bitten, twice shy" (hell I've got bite marks all over) and I'm still trying to figure out what Greg's leaving out... but I have a gut feeling that the window of opportunity for getting started easily and making easy profit building apps will only last a short while. And if only the brave make it, I hope I'll be one of them.
I would have hoped to to get some insider feedback from newbies who are seeing results with SB in the short time they've made the purchase.
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by cncbuss

If anyone is still interested in this, I just got an e-mail from Greg Jacobs and he'll be pulling the plug on SB at midnight Sunday the 22nd. I think he got pi**ed off at being criticized for the high cost and short guarantee. I figure he'll raise the price (maybe even double) starting Monday morning.

I don't follow this? What do you mean by pulling the plug? As in killing SB altogether?

If he's pi**ed off at at criticism over a high price, then why are you thinking he'll double the price? Makes no sense to me???

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bluecoyotemedia 12 years ago

don't forget these is a $99 set up fee with seattle clouds..
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cncbuss

12 years ago

All I know is he's got a video up of his latest webinar in which he loses patience and goes on a rant (more of a tirade) about people who just sit back and collects shiny objects and do nothing with them. He's yelling and telling people who are on the call that if they don't see the valu yet, to just leave. I can hardly believe it.
Then, when you click the link to get to the SB website, he's got a countdown clock showing that Skybuilder will shut it's doors in 1 day. 19 hours, 58 minutes and 25 seconds as of this post to be precise.

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12 years ago

I have both

skybuilder is much less technical than seattle clouds.. and it builds pretty good apps. I bought this because its simple enough for my outsourcers

seattle clouds is a whole another animal but it has a leaning curve

if I had to pick just one adding to the mix my tendency of having a short attention span..

then I would go with skybuilder. once you have apps done and are making money you can graduate to SC

hope this helps

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Originally Posted by cncbuss

All I know is he's got a video up of his latest webinar in which he loses patience and goes on a rant (more of a tirade) about people who just sit back and collects shiny objects and do nothing with them. He's yelling and telling people who are on the call that if they don't see the valu yet, to just leave. I can hardly believe it.
Then, when you click the link to get to the SB website, he's got a countdown clock showing that Skybuilder will shut it's doors in 1 day. 19 hours, 58 minutes and 25 seconds as of this post to be precise.

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cncbuss

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bluecoyotemedia

I have both

skybuilder is much less technical than seattle clouds.. and it builds pretty good apps. I bought this because its simple enough for my outsourcers

seattle clouds is a whole another animal but it has a leaning curve

if I had to pick just one adding to the mix my tendency of having a short attention span..

then I would go with skybuilder. once you have apps done and are making money you can graduate to SC

eddie

I totally agree with you. Both have their advantages. I hope to get some residual income with some SB apps first then keep building with S.C.

P.S. I too have a short attention sp.... Hey look! A Dagonfly!

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cyber49

12 years ago

Thanks for all the feedback, and I did pick up Skybuilder, making my first app (for a small business) in under an hour. In keeping with the theme of this thread, here's my "review" after just over an hour or so.

It's really easy to use, but for the end product, there's not very much to the "app".

At first it was confusing, because there's something called Skybuilder Cloud and Skybuilder SMB -

The Training module 1 video doesn't even explain (or mention) any difference, and the video starts with Greg already inside one of them (Cloud I think) making another (the same? Rhianna app. The training videos are incredibly short, and the app is completeld pretty fasy, but sort of pointless.

I used the SMB app builder, and the difference from the training was that there were "templates" to choose from, although I really coudn't understand the difference, and there's nothing I found in the training.

I got through the app creation myself very easily, made a nice graphic, chose icons etc. and it was fairly easy to deploy for an Android test.

After deployment, I realized that most of the app involves going off in a web browser, so anything populated by RSS feed, like the blog, will show a snippet only. Same thing goews for Facebook, Twitter etc.

I realize not that if I want to keep the user in the app I have to make better use of the tiny little WYSIWYG editor for each "page" of the app - essentially build a little mobile site to really run as an "app" but that's fine.

At this point SB looks pretty new - there's still lots of room for improvement and Im glad he mentions in this thread that they're coming .

Right now Greg, what we need is a forum so we can help each other. I know there's a support desk, but as a Mage owner also, I got far more value out of the forum than I ever did from the software.

My Conclusion?

I'm really not looking to build just spam apps (spapps?) which I see that SB could be GREAT for, and instead I'm hoping to build something useful and reputable for businesses.

While I do see that SB can give me the basics of creating an "acceptable" app, I'm not yet knocked out, so I'm going to look into Seattle Clouds too.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by cyber49

Right now Greg, what we need is a forum so we can help each other. I know there's a support desk, but as a Mage owner also, I got far more value out of the forum than I ever did from the software.

This is our plan as well. We just need to get out of launch (ends today) and initial round of tech kinks to work out. We haven't decided if its going to be a fourm or a private FB group... any comments on that and why - let our support desk know

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12 years ago

too late - bummer!

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12 years ago

skybuilder sold out

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12 years ago

I hope the reopen it for a short period of time!!

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12 years ago

I wonder how difficult the apps will be to edit once we're out of subscription with Skybuilder and have businesses we've created apps for.

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cyber49

12 years ago

Sorry hijack, (sort of) but this seems to be the only place to post about Skybuilder -

I'm over 48 hours on one support ticket with no reply
(#NGG-531532 - Bug - Google Calendar Map Links Not Opening - in case anyone's reading this from SB) and since this is a review thread, I'll update my review a bit...

I've made three apps and I'm still loving it, my mind reels at the possibilities, and I KNOW the business opp is a good one.

The software is easy enough to use, and it will be nice when they have a forum for user interaction. i'm not unhappy, but faster support would be nice, jees. 24 hours is bad enough, but 48? How many people could have bought this in the short window anyway? I mean how much support could there be?

I'm about a week in, and pretty happy...

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by cyber49

Sorry hijack, (sort of) but this seems to be the only place to post about Skybuilder -

I'm over 48 hours on one support ticket with no reply
(#NGG-531532 - Bug - Google Calendar Map Links Not Opening - in case anyone's reading this from SB) and since this is a review thread, I'll update my review a bit...

I've made three apps and I'm still loving it, my mind reels at the possibilities, and I KNOW the business opp is a good one.

The software is easy enough to use, and it will be nice when they have a forum for user interaction. i'm not unhappy, but faster support would be nice, jees. 24 hours is bad enough, but 48? How many people could have bought this in the short window anyway? I mean how much support could there be?

I'm about a week in, and pretty happy...

I just checked your ticket and we havent answered because you keep adding to it so it goes to the bottom of the que so we dont see it. :-( I will have someone reply today.

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jamesbgr

12 years ago

That's strange because I was attended within hours yesterday, it was an accounting issue though. But it does need a forum, there are a few bugs I noticed as well ie the youtube videos don't play when i download the app on my mobile (that could be my phone's problem however).

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Aubrey

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jamesbgr

But it does need a forum...

I see the forum has been set up in the members area: Please login

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by gathersuccess

I got skybuilder as well.. has anyone managed to get the app approved by Apple? because this is the reply I had from Apple

We found that the experience your app provides is not sufficiently
different from browsing a content or link aggregator web site, as required
by the App Store Review
Guidelines.

Based on what I know it would be easier to get it approve if there is camera function to it.. I written a support ticket to them.. I hope they consider to add that in... if not I believe many people who create the apps will get rejected...

If you managed to get approved by Apple care to share what functions u added it to get it approved?

There is no "push button" solution for Apple Store approval for Niche apps. We do not claim nor imply this. This is the company line

1 - Niche apps out of the box will get rejected from Apple and approved to android. SMB (Small Business) Apps generally get approved on the first try to both the AppStore and the Android store.

2 - There is no push-button app approval out there for the AppStore- There are services that will curate and will "try" to get your niche apps approved and they cost anywhere from $30-200 per app. we are not associated with any of these. nor recommend them

3 - We recommend you dont waste your time with these. The SB recommended model is
a) get your NICHE apps on Android.
b) find the winners
c) by that time you will know what you are doing and can take some time and responsibility for getting your app approved via creating unique and original content

HOWEVER - - all this being said. SkyBuilder SMB (Small Business) apps generally get approved to the Apple store on the first try. And if not an easy round of revision will do the trick

Bottom line is when you create an app in 12 minutes you aggregate content and that is a non-approval flag even with the multiple native features included in the apps. To get approval in the app store, they require unique content.

Now this topic is beaten to death on our own internal forum, but I will echo it here, that none of this matters and the problem is more a conceptual one for non-action takers than a practical one for people in the pits.

Reason being
1 - If you are creating apps for Small Businesses this does not effect you as your apps will get approved
2 - If you are creating "niche" apps for commissions it does not effect you because we recommend to throw a bunch up on the Android store to find the winners in the niches. Once you have a winning niche, we recommend to use the HTML editor in SB to put in unique content and make something AppStore worthy.
3 - Currently Appstore is %50 of the smart phone market. Within a few years we expect that to drop to %20 as Android is clearly taking over by the numbers

As for "native features" currently onboard are

Call/Email/GPS Directions
Push notifications
GPS Coupons
Customizable Contact form

and a slew others in dev

Originally Posted by eagle50

Hello
With skybuilder and other app builders you can add buttons (links) that bring you to websites you don't own . In the Rihanna demo a rss feed from a website not owned by the creator is used -( I assume ) . Is this all legal ?

Eagle

If a website owner provides an RSS feed, then he/she expects you to use that.

Originally Posted by Aubrey

I see the forum has been set up in the members area: Please login

yes it has, existing members please use that to discuss. and for those that have not joined, an FYI that we are sold out, there is a waiting list on our homepage.

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cyber49

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Greg Jacobs

...Now this topic is beaten to death on our own internal forum,...

What internal forum? For members? If there is one, I'd like to know where, please...

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Aubrey

12 years ago

Originally Posted by cyber49

What internal forum? For members? If there is one, I'd like to know where, please...

So you did not read my post? Here is the link again if you are a SB member: Please login

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@affiliates

12 years ago

From Seatlle Clouds:

Regarding your price plans, can you tell me with the subscription package if I stop paying this monthly at a future point... what happens to the apps that have already been created and put on the App Store?
If you stop paying at a future point the apps will still be available for download in AppStore and will work on installed devices. Subscription based apps will try to connect online and check your payment status. If it detects you cancelled your payment, it will popup a warning message. Message goes away when you resume your subscription payments. If you don't want a monthly subscription payment schedule, you can always to buy out your app for a single, one-time fee. Apps that you purchase upfront are not making any online verifications and will never popup warning messages.

The apps will never be yours at SC.

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Roma

12 years ago

What you say is quite true, I asked Seattle Cloud the same question and they replied:

.......The application you will develop using our service will belong to you only. But once you cancel your subscription with us, all the applications that you already published will be unavailable on Google Play Store or iTunesconnect or Amazon.

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einsmite

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Roma

What you say is quite true, I asked Seattle Cloud the same question and they replied:

.......The application you will develop using our service will belong to you only. But once you cancel your subscription with us, all the applications that you already published will be unavailable on Google Play Store or iTunesconnect or Amazon.

I found a great deal for Seattle Clouds through a reseller, one-time payment, no monthly fee, so the issue of cancelling the subscription is avoided completely.

Anyone who wants to know more, PM me, but I think this deal is going away in the next day or two.

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bluecoyotemedia

12 years ago

einsmite

ok.. lets be transparent ok and I know it's all about affiliate commisions

but this kind of shit really peeves me.

first of all this is NOT true

so you are lying or just plain ignorant to the facts.

even though you have no monthly payments... if something happened you would still need to buy out the app that you built.

it's the same company seattle clouds just a private reseller

so please keep things correct

eddie

PS even though I am also an affiliate link I signed up with your aff link..since you sent this to me.

Originally Posted by einsmite

I found a great deal for Seattle Clouds through a reseller, one-time payment, no monthly fee, so the issue of cancelling the subscription is avoided completely.

Anyone who wants to know more, PM me, but I think this deal is going away in the next day or two.

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einsmite 12 years ago

Eddie,

Yes I promote the service as an affiliate, and to anyone who PM'd me for information, you included, I explicitly state the link I pass along is an affiliate link. I didn't think it "cool" to be posting an affiliate link in the thread. And clearly you saw the value in the information I passed along, else you wouldn't have bought through my link. (Thanks, by the way. )

I am certainly not "lying" and calling me a "weasel" is pretty harsh. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but if someone pays a one-time fee, and does not have a monthly subscription payment to keep up, how can it be that their apps would be disabled by no longer paying the subscription? There is none! Enlighten me, please.

Also, please explain " if something happened you would still need to buy out the app that you built." I have no idea what you're talking about. What kind of "something happened" scenario are you thinking of?

It may be my knowledge of how the program works is incomplete, but in no way did I attempt to misinform anyone.

Peace,
Bryan
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12 years ago

Skybuilder...

In addition to what we have said and what others are saying!

A member of ours, who has bought into SB, has just made their first.. DEAL!

Under an NDA, but we can say it is worth $345 a month, it is in the Travel niche, it was a deal sold *only* on what they have built with Skybuilder for the client as a *fun* example...

So worth the money to buy? HELL YEH!

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eagle50 12 years ago

Hello
With skybuilder and other app builders you can add buttons (links) that bring you to websites you don't own . In the Rihanna demo a rss feed from a website not owned by the creator is used -( I assume ) . Is this all legal ?

Eagle
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bluecoyotemedia

12 years ago

Bryan

sorry for the weasel comment. I get worked up with this forum sometimes.

but here is what I mean

the company is still seattle clouds it is a private label. so lifetime is a relative term since if amber decided to not continue with the program we are tied into her account.

and it seems there is still a buyout for each app. unless I am misreading this. to get all the source codes for the particular app.

but hey

it's all good

and there is risk in everything you do. I guess the goal is to try and recoup all investments made as quickly as possible which should not be too hard.

like you have done

and I was glad to buy thru your link.

I am also an afffiliate for this product. btw

I want to support Amber in her efforts

but thanks for replying .. and hope you accept my apologies

eddie

ps. now lets go make some apps

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einsmite 12 years ago

Eddie,

Apologies totally accepted. I get worked up from stuff I see on the forum too LOL!

You are right about lifetime being relative to Amber maintaining her white label account with SC. While I don't know Amber, from what I've seen she knows a thing or two about the mobile app biz, and she appears to have a good reputation on the WF. If she just woke up one day and decided to end things with SC, leaving all her customers to fend for themselves, her name would be mud forevermore, and she could forget about selling products on the forum in the future. And I get the impression she's pretty sharp business-wise, so it seems very doubtful to me she would need to end the program because she was losing money on it.

So I didn't even see that as a possible concern, but can imagine some might.

And, if she wanted to end things with SC because she found a better option, I'd think she'd provide a migration path for her current customers. She likely would get few takers if she just said, "Hey guys, shutting down now (sorry!) because I have a better option. Sign up now and I'll treat you right!" LOL!

The app buyout I'm not sure about, but for reasons stated above, I'm not concerned about it.

Yep, risk and reward are key in business, and this deal struck me as super high reward for very little risk, and I was happy to promote it and help others find a great deal... and recoup my cost as well.

Cheers bro!
Bryan
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rabbroon

12 years ago

Great feedback guys, i have this software and use it but only uploaded to date android apps.
Does anyone have any tips on how to best monetise their free apps?

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cyber49

12 years ago

After many hours learning and some helpful back and forth in their support and forums, (sometimes with 24+ hour wait on support responses) I created four apps for local businesses, and none of them were any better than I could do on Conduit.com, so I got a refund this morning.

Two of the apps were acceptable, done for friends, although one of the two was declined to Apple for reasons that were out of my control -

1. Primarily, the graphics came through at a standard not good enough for Apple, and I think they mean the graphics inside the WYSWYG builder, where they come through very fuzzy.

2. Apple said the interface was "slow and non responsive" and I concur, even on my android, tapping anything meant a 1-2 second delays between screen changes. It was not at all "snappy".

3. Apple cited "the app does not behave as expected" and again I concur - there were lots of problems on my declined app with tapping/hover color not working at all for more than one of the apps, despite repeated builds and rebuilds. This morning I actually took an app OFF the Google Play store because it was embarrassingly bad.

While Skybuilder is amazingly cool, and it's adequate for making niche android apps, I suspect (and so did others in the member forum) that there has never been an app created with Skybuilder that has been approved by Apple - Ever.

One person CLAIMED that they had one approved in the forum, but couldn't (wouldn't) provide a link... If anyone knows of a single app that's been approved on iTunes via Skybuiilder, please feel free to correct me and drop a link here.

Several support tickets I put in over the month most were "solved" but there were a couple of TOTAL deal breakers for clients (like the simple fact that a Google MAP link coming from the Google Calendar feed will not open - period) and even the "working apps" ran too slowly to show anyone.

So, this morning I asked Skybuilder for either an extension of my trial for a while, or even to waive my refund and stick with them if they comped me a free year two when they finally got the bugs out, but they declined, refunded me in full, and ended my access to their help center, their forums, or obviously, my apps dashboards.

Bottom Line:

SB might be fine for niche apps, but I found very little that could be created at Skybuilder that was any better (or even as good as) the free mobile apps you can make with something like Conduit.com. (really even Conduit is not that bad!).

My goal was to make usable local business apps for iPhone and android that they can be proud to have their names on, and that's not possible with SB. Everything I saw from SB seemed sort of schlocky to me, and now I'm even sort of "on the hook" to make two for folks that I told them I could...

Over the past month I've also checked out several others, and if I were more talented or patient, I'd spend my same $ from Skybuilder at Seattle Clouds - their interface is amazing(ly complex) by comparison but at least it makes you something you can sell w/o being embarrassed.

Sorry, SB / Greg & Michael no offense intended - the support was great, but the unwillingness to admit there's a problem (like locking the "slow and unresponsive apps" thread) or offering me some time to hang longer seems a little shortsighted.

Greg I was a Mage and Mage upgrade client too and I do wish you luck, and thank you for processing my refund so quickly after I requested it. .

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Greg Jacobs

12 years ago

Originally Posted by cyber49

After many hours learning and some helpful back and forth in their support and forums, (sometimes with 24+ hour wait on support responses) I created four apps for local businesses, and none of them were any better than I could do on Conduit.com, so I got a refund this morning.

Two of the apps were acceptable, done for friends, although one of the two was declined to Apple for reasons that were out of my control -

1. Primarily, the graphics came through at a standard not good enough for Apple, and I think they mean the graphics inside the WYSWYG builder, where they come through very fuzzy.

2. Apple said the interface was "slow and non responsive" and I concur, even on my android, tapping anything meant a 1-2 second delays between screen changes. It was not at all "snappy".

3. Apple cited "the app does not behave as expected" and again I concur - there were lots of problems on my declined app with tapping/hover color not working at all for more than one of the apps, despite repeated builds and rebuilds. This morning I actually took an app OFF the Google Play store because it was embarrassingly bad.

While Skybuilder is amazingly cool, and it's adequate for making niche android apps, I suspect (and so did others in the member forum) that there has never been an app created with Skybuilder that has been approved by Apple - Ever.

One person CLAIMED that they had one approved in the forum, but couldn't (wouldn't) provide a link... If anyone knows of a single app that's been approved on iTunes via Skybuiilder, please feel free to correct me and drop a link here.

Several support tickets I put in over the month most were "solved" but there were a couple of TOTAL deal breakers for clients (like the simple fact that a Google MAP link coming from the Google Calendar feed will not open - period) and even the "working apps" ran too slowly to show anyone.

So, this morning I asked Skybuilder for either an extension of my trial for a while, or even to waive my refund and stick with them if they comped me a free year two when they finally got the bugs out, but they declined, refunded me in full, and ended my access to their help center, their forums, or obviously, my apps dashboards.

Bottom Line:

SB might be fine for niche apps, but I found very little that could be created at Skybuilder that was any better (or even as good as) the free mobile apps you can make with something like Conduit.com. (really even Conduit is not that bad!).

My goal was to make usable local business apps for iPhone and android that they can be proud to have their names on, and that's not possible with SB. Everything I saw from SB seemed sort of schlocky to me, and now I'm even sort of "on the hook" to make two for folks that I told them I could...

Over the past month I've also checked out several others, and if I were more talented or patient, I'd spend my same $ from Skybuilder at Seattle Clouds - their interface is amazing(ly complex) by comparison but at least it makes you something you can sell w/o being embarrassed.

Sorry, SB / Greg & Michael no offense intended - the support was great, but the unwillingness to admit there's a problem (like locking the "slow and unresponsive apps" thread) or offering me some time to hang longer seems a little shortsighted.

Greg I was a Mage and Mage upgrade client too and I do wish you luck, and thank you for processing my refund so quickly after I requested it. .

Since you have address this public? fourm post to me personally, im assuming that means you want a public? response.. ok.. sure I guess we can talk back and forth regarding your case for everybody to listen :-)

ok few things

1 - The Apple store is a monster. same apps sometimes accepted sometimes not. Its not "skybuilder" apps that are the issue. The issue is the randomness of the submission process. some other "services" have you pay them per app you submit and they handle the submission and approval process. So for instance if you are paying $100 to have your app submitted, they are going to keep submitting and tweaking it until it is accepted.

With SkyBuilder you actually have more freedom but that is good and bad. You can make as many apps as you like an own them all, however you are also free to fail at your submission. The issue is not "SkyBuilder apps" as they are similar +- (some parts better, some parts up and coming) with others comparable.. the issue is that the submission is left in the hands of the user rather than being done on a conceierage basis. we are looking into a few options up and coming for people that want to pay per app as well

2- Regarding Apple Rejection "reasons" This is a half shaven kid drinking too much starbucks ticking off boxes. Same app can get different "reasons" or get approved depending on a number of things. Also one thing we found is quality of the splash image and icon plays a HUGE deal into acceptance. This is obviously something we cannot control as it is all you.

3- regarding not extending your "review peroid" - we don't do that because we know SB works fine and is only going to get better. IF you are not committed by this point, then its probably not good for either of us and at a certain point we need to close our books

4- Regarding not showing App URLS. We have had many apps approved as have our users. We NEVER EVER show our app urls and if asked we recommend that our users NEVER EVER share their Urls as well.

Why?
Well.. some history, I own one of the biggest autoblogging software on the internet. WP MAGE, and in our experience over the years, we noticed a particular phenomena that as soon as someones site would be revealed on our semiprivate forums (remember anybody that has a license can view and we don't monitor who does or doesn't buy) that something would happen. Either their sites would go down, or their would be copycats. . or something would get banned.

The conclusion we came to was that just don't show your URLs.. and we found this to be the same with Apps. Just don't show them and then nothing can go wrong. So if you are one of those users waiting around for "proof" of apps getting accepted, you are just going to have to

1 - Take our word on it
or
2 - Go and work with our support desk and get your own app accepted. If neither of those work, then you probably not right for this sort of business and should be off to the "next big thing" ;-)

Lastly, we have not announced this yet, but in the coming weeks we will have an option available for a direct push of Apps to iphones, bypassing the iTunes store, allowing your clients to get their apps out to their customers without having to use iTunes. More on this in our private forum once we have a solid announcement ready.

Hope that clears some things up

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0oo0

12 years ago

It sounds like this thing kicks out html5/css3/javascript/jquery apps and that's it.

You'd be better dropping 1,000 on a programming course and hand coding these.

If this thing were capable of full blown apps using JAVA(for android) and objective-c(for iphone) and could make REAL apps like games and such, it may be worth it.

Do youself a favor and takd 2 months out of your life to learn how to code html/css/JS then you won't get ripped off by things like these...

Sure you make a cheesy looking app in an hour... but I could hand code one in 4 and optimize it to be fast and responsive.

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keisse24

11 years ago

hi guys i just used skybuilder app builder it is amazing and easy to use .

Asker Moh

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Don Warren

11 years ago

What is up with Skybuilder? It's not even loading. I can't access the control panel, the support or anything and I have a lot of work I'd like to do today. There's been no update on what's going on or anything. I don't like to air dirty laundry, but when customers are kept in the dark it's pretty tough. Please give me an update. Thanks

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Dogbite1

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Don Warren

What is up with Skybuilder? It's not even loading. I can't access the control panel, the support or anything and I have a lot of work I'd like to do today. There's been no update on what's going on or anything. I don't like to air dirty laundry, but when customers are kept in the dark it's pretty tough. Please give me an update. Thanks

The update is that it is junk & Greg doesn't care about anything but the money. He has the worst attitude & customer service. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by Dogbite1

The update is that it is junk & Greg doesn't care about anything but the money. He has the worst attitude & customer service. Good luck.

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Sorry, I am not clear what you are upset about? If you are one of my customers please submit a support ticket and we always reply within 24 hours, though usually much less and we are happy to address your specfic concerns

SkyBuilder is working great and we have thousands of loyal customers that use it daily and are satisfied.

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