CarbonCopyPRO?

17 years ago

Hello Anthony,

What they sell are high end products, with the first step being financial education, then a high end seminar, and a seminar with what appears to be a vacation attached, etc.

I like the program, but it is expensive, so have to consider very carefully.

Good luck,
Ed

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Marketingmoore

17 years ago

I was wondering about carbon copy pro also I really didn't get it either.

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Anthony J Namata 17 years ago

Thanks!

Well, "financial eduction" sounds like "good timing" considering the current economic slowdown.

Anthony
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- bellis160 17 years ago
  
  My sister is involved with the company. She bought into it about 2 weeks ago. They are teaching her internet marketing. She didn't know anything at all about internet marketing to begin with but she seems to be advancing rapidly.
  
  Don't know much more about it.
  
  I know she's pumped about it right now.
  
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yoursavings

17 years ago

I have been making money from home for 7 years now marketing big ticket items. I have thousands and thousands of leads and opt ins in my database that of course in this economy havent joined my big ticket program. People these days DONT want ebooks, or personal development, or juices they want to MAKE MONEY and SAVE MONEY. So its smart to offer a smaller ticket program to your prospects to get them to join you instead of leaving money on the table.

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JonathanRudd 17 years ago

Originally Posted by yoursavings

So its smart to offer a smaller ticket program to your prospects to get them to join you instead of leaving money on the table.

I don't know if you have already, I just visited this post, but explain to me about offering a Smaller Ticket Program. Should I not try and join CCPro and offer this Big Ticket Program? I am really debating on this program but want to make money.
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jasoncercone

17 years ago

I've been working with Carbon Copy Pro for about a month now and it's a great community to be apart of. The leadership is fantastic and always quick to lend a helping hand, the training is exceptional and thorough, and the mission is very clear-cut.

Carbon Copy Pro is the marketing system for high-end products that cover all facets of personal wealth education and management. In the current economic climate, the product is very in-demand because A) the market is not saturated with this sort of product...i.e., lotions, potions, pills, juices, etc., and B) many people are looking for ways to financially secure themselves in the wake of an uncertain future in our economy.

I recommend Carbon Copy Pro to only the most serious entrepreneurs. It takes a strong-minded, positive, never-say-die mindset to be successful with this company.

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worlok 17 years ago

They are charging $40 for their APPLICATION KIT. How much does the program itself cost??
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- appr 17 years ago
  
  I have read that the two main educators or founders of Carbon Copy Pro are highly successful and ethical, and know their stuff.
  
  Another thing that draws people to Carbon Copy Pro is the concept of GPT, Get Paid Today. In most MLMs it takes a long time (years, in some cases) to get paid decent amounts. With Carbon Copy Pro, you get paid a significant amount right away when someone purchases the product.
  
  I have not purchased the product, however, I have done a lot of research.
  
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  ccprosell 17 years ago
  
  I have been with CCPro now for a year and I only can recommend this business strongly.
  
  Last month I have been appointed to L1-Leadership, although working this business from Germany. That was possible with all the help and leadership from the people at Carbon Copy Pro.
  
  I don't like to sound as a sales pitch here, but I have never seen a better and more serious internet business.
  
  For deeper information send me a private message.
  
  Kind regards
  Mark
  
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Kurt Henninger

17 years ago

Carbon Copy Pro (and just as a caveat, I am not a member) but its a company specific recruiting system for Wealth Masters International, created by Jay Kubassek.

I've heard excellent things about both of them and Jay is an excellent marketer.

Gives you a plug-an-play system to start recruiting yourself online for WMI.

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ccprosell 17 years ago

Hi !

Here are some news, that show, that CCPro is really the real deal-

Just received an email from Jay Kubassek (one of the founders of CCPro) with great news:

"A USA Presidential Candidate Endorses CarbonCopyPRO (Video)"

A high profile 2008 United States Vice Presidential nominee,
2012 "Presidential" nominee and best-selling author just went
LIVE with his endorsement of CarbonCopyPRO.

Check it out "in video"...

RIGHT HERE --> ccpromentors (.com/RootVideo .html)

Don't miss this whatever you do Mark.

Sincerely,

Jay Kubassek

If you need more informations, feel free to send me a private message here at the Warrior Forum.

Mark
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- Kurt Henninger 17 years ago
  
  Does that mean CCPro is for Democrats or Republicans?
  
  Just kidding. Great job on the endorsement.
  
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ccprosell

17 years ago

That's why CCPro is offering the BiB Product (Business-in-a-Box). It closes the gap of joining CCPro only on a M1-Consultant-Level.

Get in on a BiB-Level, make some money and then upgrade to M1 or above, when you are comfortable with CCPro.

How much is the BiB ?

The BiB retails for only $395 yet pays a whopping $200 commission! PLUS - as a bonus it includes the first month's subscription to CarbonCopyPRO!

Also included:

$400 QuickStart Discount Code for m1
$200 Discount for future LIVE CarbonCopyPRO Event

I can even give away a Bonus for the BiB ($50 or $100).

I think this is a great chance to join CCPro on low cost and then upgrade later on, when you earn money from your BiB-Sales.

Mark

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JonathanRudd

17 years ago

Originally Posted by ccprosell

That's why CCPro is offering the BiB Product (Business-in-a-Box). It closes the gap of joining CCPro only on a M1-Consultant-Level.

Get in on a BiB-Level, make some money and then upgrade to M1 or above, when you are comfortable with CCPro.

Mark

well I better sell some chicken dinners, car washes and some raffles because I don't have $395 right now. Thanks. I will work on getting my BIB.

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ccprosell

17 years ago

Hi Jonathan !

Don't forget to ask your sponsor for the Discount-Code.
He can give you up to $100, so the price is $295.

Mark

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hugeaffiliatecash

17 years ago

CCPro is a feeder into WMI - $40 application to become a lead for them (Funded proposal) - then $395 for the Business In A Box, then $1995 for Level 1 product, $8995 for Level 2 and $12,995 for level 3 - and they push that you need to do all 3 to make the big bucks.

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Lexcraft10 17 years ago

I dont mean to chime in all of a sudden, but are they nuts? Is this really real or the usual crap people get suckered into? Hell, I am nervous about the bib. I still dont understand what they do although I have read the above posts. They sell high end products. Ok, how do they recommend you market the products? I can afford the $395 investment, but once I hit the enter(payment) button, its do or die. If you would, those that are using the product would tell us more about it to easy the expensive mysteries.
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- dynamicwealth 17 years ago
  
  Hey James,
  
  The CarbonCopyPro marketing system and the WMI opportunity are very real.
  
  Once you make the decision to get started and gain access to the CCPro back office you will be able to earn a Masters Degree in marketing.
  
  The top income earners in the company provide step by step training calls & webinars. The trainings show everyone exactly what they are doing to generate thousands of dollars in profit each and every week virtually on auto-pilot.
  
  As far as the type of marketing training you will have access to it is quite extensive. There are also marketing blueprints to fit all budgets.
  
  Here is a small taste to what is available to all CCPro members.
  
  When reviewing this keep in mind that there are step by step training modules to teach you EVERYTHING you need to know about each specific marketing method.
  
  Check it out...
  Marketing Plan 1 - Budget $0-$500
  
  Article Marketing
  
  Press Release Marketing
  
  Blog Posting
  
  Social Media Marketing
  
  Video Marketing
  
  Free Classiﬁeds/ Forum Marketing
  
  Marketing Plan 2 - Budget $500-$2,000
  
  In this plan you combine paid marketing with free advertising. Allocate 50% of your marketing to paid methods & the other 50% to free methods.
  
  Part I: Paid Advertising
  
  Choose two.
  __ Ezine Advertising
  __ Banner Advertising
  __ Paid Email Marketing / Solo Ads
  __ Paid Classiﬁeds (online)
  __ Paid Classiﬁeds (ofﬂine)
  __ Facebook Social Ads
  __ Google Adwords (Recommended for Advanced Marketers Only).
  __ MSN and Yahoo Pay-per-click
  
  Part II: Content Marketing
  
  Choose two.
  __ Article Marketing
  __ Press Release Marketing
  __ Video Marketing
  
  Part III. Basic Social Media Setup
  In this day and age on the internet, you need to have a presence on social media sites. Setup accounts on the popular social media sites and spend approximately 30 minutes per day networking. This means adding new friends, making posts, joining groups and posting relevant content for viewers.
  
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  
  As I said above this is only a tiny fraction of the training and support our team members receive.
  
  I'm so passionate about CCPro/WMI because I honestly feel that it gives people, regardless of their marketing experience, the greatest chance at BIG success in a very short amount of time.
  
  Let me know if you have any additional questions.
  
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chris338

17 years ago

Originally Posted by hugeaffiliatecash

CCPro is a feeder into WMI - $40 application to become a lead for them (Funded proposal) - then $395 for the Business In A Box, then $1995 for Level 1 product, $8995 for Level 2 and $12,995 for level 3 - and they push that you need to do all 3 to make the big bucks.

Thanks for the input. This tells me all I need to know. When will people realize that if you have to pay someone money to participate and "lead" then you aren't running a business. You are funding THEIR business! MLM is a complete scam and a waste of time. I'm an Amway refugee and had my eyes opened. Someone else in the thread mentioned the conferences. I could tell some horror stories about that within Amway.

So it looks like you are selling memberships (Business in a Box? BiB?) to Carbon Copy Pro huh? How is that your own business? [Sigh] I knew there was a catch to that thing.

Let me end by answering the detractors: I know some of you may be making great money at it. I know some people may love that business model. I'll grant that some are successful. But ultimately the MLM model does not produce "free" people. Your new job becomes motivational speaker and marketer. That isn't for me. Best of luck to those people who like that kind of work though.

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ccprosell

17 years ago

I'm still a M1-Consultant and if you don't want to upgrade you don't have.
No pushing at all.

Yes, it's a high price ticket, but you don't need a downline to earn a lot of money, because CCPro is based on the GPT-Method (Get paid today).
You earn huge commisions, not the $35 like on all the clickbank products in the affiliate business.

Mark

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TheCEOGuy

17 years ago

The only negatives are when you make a app and BIB sale you have to wait a full month to be paid.

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orlan52 17 years ago

I tried CarbonCopyPRO and lost my money...very expensive to enter and even more expensive to participate...I do not recommend it unless you have money to burn and enjoy going to conferences...
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ccprosell

17 years ago

Hi Orlan !

Sure you can lose money when trying to build a business on the internet, but that is the truth for every business you start. Marketing is the key to success not the business, that you have chosen.
After joining CCPro (by the way you can join CCPro on low cost with the BiB) you don't have to go to conferences, if you don't want. I'm working CCPro from Germany and I have never been to any conferences.
Your costs for working this business are the same as in any other business. You can focus on free marketing methods (article marketing, ...) or take the costly way with PPC.
It all depends on your budget not on CarbonCopyPro !

Just another argument for "System works, people fail" ?

Mark

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joshril

17 years ago

I would assume that in order to sell the higher priced products you have to have purchased them yourself?

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shirland

17 years ago

The website below is an honest review of Carboncopypro, wealthmasters etc. It also includes all the cost associated with them

Wealth Master International and Carbon Copy Pro

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Shariyf Clark 17 years ago

Their Alexa stats are from over a year ago and they misinterpreted the purpose of the funded proposal application process. Not even involved with CCPro but I suspect this review is biased.
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- dynamicwealth 17 years ago
  
  Hey Everyone,
  
  I've been using the CarbonCopyPro marketing system since it first launched in October 2007.
  
  I've been a part of the Wealth Masters International opportunity since September 2006.
  
  I highly endorse this opportunity. I've been working from home full time for over 8 years and I can say hands down CCPro/WMI is the best opportunity I've ever been associated with.
  
  I agree with Mark 100% no one is ever pushed or pressured to upgrade to the higher levels. When I got started I made decision to purchase all three products immediately. It was totally my decision.
  
  My sponsor never even asked me to upgrade... I simply saw the tremendous value in all three products and the leverage of being able to earn a nice commission on each of the products.
  
  What ever direct sales/network marketing program you are considering you should, if you can, put yourself in a position to earn the most money in the shortest amount of time.
  
  Let me know if you have any questions about CCPro/WMI.
  
  Give it some serious consideration. I've found the closer people take a look at it the more excited they get about the opportunity.
  
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ccprosell

17 years ago

Hi Warriors !

I only can recommend CCPro as you have read my posts above. It's always amazing how people, who never worked with CCPro make a honest review about this business - lol

@James: Why not call your potential sponsor. He is able to give you a $100 Sign-up-Bonus if you want to cut your costs. As in every serious business (and I mean serious not all the other crap you can see on the internet) you have to invest not only into your business but also into your mindest) to become successful. If you only can afford the BiB and that's it, please don't join. You still need an advertising budget. If other business tell you, that you just sign up and they do all the rest for you - FORGET IT !
Follow the steps in the CCPro-Backoffice and success is only a matter ot time !

Hope this helps !

Mark

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phi0001

17 years ago

CarboncopyPRO is a good site. They provide a lot of information about the online business. They provide a good service too. They guide us in a good manner. to know more details please visit this site.

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forfun_cash

17 years ago

Having ONLY people with signature links affiliated to ccpro sales page complimenting about ccpro doesnt do ccpro any good. Hmmmm.

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muteki

17 years ago

ccpro is a funded proposal system that markets the wmi program packages. it is meant to make you some money upfront while you are looking for the serious person who is ready to invest in a real business model.

it can be very lucrative but you have to be ready to really put the time and effort into it because if you are new to internet marketing there will be a huge learning curve.

i found it to be very costly with the monthly fee and i just couldnt keep funding it while trying to set up everything and learn how to market it and try and make sales.

if you have some capital and have the time then you can do really well with ccpro but it does take dedication and effort. well i guess like anything else if you are gonna be successful then it takes time and effort.

hope that helps.

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pavionjsl

17 years ago

I promise that carbon is not worth the money, there are easier ways to learn this and spending the difference on the right tools is better. NOT THE GURU HYPED CRAP You see..........INSERT MASS ARTICLE CREATOR HERE HYPE HERE

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AntonioEaster

17 years ago

I was a part of CCpro. At the time that I was apart, another trend was taking the internet by storm. So I went that way, and made a ton of money. However, HANDS DOWN there is NOT another group of PROFESSIONAL HUMAN (Internet) Marketers available online PERIOD! I AM NOT A PART OF CCpro AT ALL NOW! I am just telling you the truth. Would I go back to promoting CCpro...? Most likely not. The only reason is that I am building a MASSIVE income online with a completely different type of marketing. But again...CCpro would be my first choice if I was going to promote a high ticket home business opportunity. The information (if used) ...you CANNOT put a price tag on. Contact Brian Fanale. He is one of the top money earners, and he TRULY WAS and HAS HELP a HUGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE become successful. You Can get in contact with Brian Fanale at Brain Fanale dot com or simply google him. NOTE: I HAVE NOT TALKED OR HAD ANY CONTACT WITH BRIAN FANALE FOR OVER A YEAR AND A HALF. HE HAS NO IDEA THAT WHAT I AM DOING...NONE! This is simply to point you and anyone else in the BEST DIRECTION POSSIBLE. Please ignore links at the bottomof this post. They will be updated soon!

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timvnorton

17 years ago

I actually did go through the application process with Carbon Copy Pro for $49. I was very impressed with their system and their marketing. I did not become part of Carbon Copy Pro even though my application was approved but I did get a great DVD of Mike Dillard interviewing Jay Kubassek for applying.

I did not get introduced to several different tiers though. As soon as I submitted my application I got an email from Ferny Caballos saying that it would be $2,000 to join. Had I known that I could join for under $400 I may have joined at the time but I wouldn't now. I love Carbon Copy Pro's detailed, systems driven approach to down-line building but what kept me from joining was the fact that Wealth Masters (the product company that Carbon Copy Pro markets) asks $2,000 for seemed to be basically a box of books and CD's about "wealth education."

This is not meant to be a review of the Wealth Masters product nor is this post intended to be a bash against Carbon Copy Pro or Wealth Masters in any way. If you think the books and CD's that you get for your $2,000 is worth it then by all means join CCP and run with it. I am just saying that I the cost did not match the value that I personally would receive from the product. How many books by Robert Kiyosaki, Donald Trump, J. Paul Getty, Napoleon Hill and others could I get at Barnes & Noble for $2,000? If you can really get the same or more comparable market value from the box of stuff that CCP markets that you could get from books and CD's at Barnes & Noble, Borders Books or Amazon.com then please correct me and explain the comparability to me in detail and I will seriously reconsider.

If you are thinking of joining Carbon Copy Pro, I would suggest that you go ahead and submit an application just so you can get the DVD of the Mike Dillard and Jay Kubassek interview. It was well worth the $49 to me.

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- Tara-2 16 years ago
  
  How does CarbonCopyPRO compare with EZWS ( advertsmart.com )?
  
  It appears that with EZWS, one need not go on paying as heavily as CCPro.
  
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  Originally Posted by Tara-2
  
  How does CarbonCopyPRO compare with EZWS ( advertsmart.com )?
  
  It appears that with EZWS, one need not go on paying as heavily as CCPro.
  
  Hi Tara - not sure if you got my last post. It was deleted as I mistakenly put a link to stuff I sell in my sig file, which is a big no-no on this forum (& fair enough really).
  
  In brief - I had a look at EZWS: the site seems to offer a way to make money, for sure, and it's way less expensive - obviously at $10/month, it's designed to cater for anyone wanting to make money without a capital investment.
  
  In reality, there is always the flipside, one of which might be that you may need to produce some kind of 'downline' akin to network marketing/MLM, and the attrition rate in MLM is well-known. I'm not knocking that model per se, but to be really successful in that model you it's a requirement to have a high degree of personal, training and leadership potential, as your downline has to catch the vision about the product or service to and similarly reproduce your efforts.
  
  Some internet marketing products are going a similar way, attempting to automate much of the attrition by putting systems in place instead of people...and to some extent that does work.
  
  My discomfort with that model is that it seems to be leaning towards pyramid selling again, which at best is a naff model, and at worst downright illegal.
  
  A real online business has to have a product or service of genuine value that will benefit the recipient. Without descending into potential definitions of what a product or service is, all I can really speak about is the comparison product, which is the one I'm using (CCPro). And that does have genuine value.
  
  I've posted elsewhere on this thread about that, but contact me directly if you have any more questions re CCPro.
  
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16 years ago

We're looking for intelligent reviews - by people who don't have disguised affiliate links in their signatures. Otherwise the thread closes.

Update - The sneaky affiliate tried it again - and his post was immediately deleted. This is a final warning.

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sdentrepreneur 16 years ago

I have been with them since October 2007. I find them ethical and quality Internet training.
There is a cost for the back office and the Wealth Masters Products. Wealth Masters is an Networking Marketing Company. Not MLM but similar.

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dezfutak

16 years ago

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We're looking for intelligent reviews - by people who don't have disguised affiliate links in their signatures. Otherwise the thread closes.

Update - The sneaky affiliate tried it again - and his post was immediately deleted. This is a final warning.

Pearson

Hi Pearson - my bad. Many apologies. Didn't do the basics of RTFR (Reading the Forum Rules).

I've 'cleaned up' the sig file so the affiliate links are gone.

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ocon9316

16 years ago

Honestly, I'm not a fan, but that's just me. I'm not really one for MLM anyway but basically here's how CCPro works:

- You buy their "Business in a Box" (BiB) for 495 bucks (you can get it cheaper if your sponsor gives you a coupon code)

- You receive your "BiB" in the mail which is basically a binded report and DVD telling you how to sell the "BiB" to others.

- You "upgrade" (pay more money) to their higher tier programs and you then promote those higher end products as well. (You cannot earn any commissions on these higher ticket products until you yourself have bought them)

- They do offer pretty good training (not worth even close to the pricetag, IMHO), but ultimately what the program boils down to is you pay money for the BiB which then shows you how to sell the exact same BiB to others. It's very similar to the old newspaper ads which read "Send me $10 to learn how to make easy money!" You then send $10 and get a letter telling you to place an ad in the newspaper telling people to send you $10 to learn how to make easy money...

Just my two cents. I tried it and didn't like it, but if you think you can really promote it well then go for it. For me there are much easier and far cheaper ways to make good money in IM.

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dezfutak

16 years ago

Disclosure: I am a CCPro member, so invariably, I have an insider's view.

Originally Posted by ocon9316

Honestly, I'm not a fan, but that's just me.

Me neither. CCPro operates a direct sales commission strategy. There is a small amount of money you get every month from people you introduce - an on-going commission - but that's it. There aren't any commissions from people they market to.

Originally Posted by ocon9316

I'm not really one for MLM anyway but basically here's how CCPro works:

- You buy their "Business in a Box" (BiB) for 495 bucks (you can get it cheaper if your sponsor gives you a coupon code)

- You receive your "BiB" in the mail which is basically a binded report and DVD telling you how to sell the "BiB" to others.

The original version consisted of two guides, which were more marketing training, systems & personal development, aiming to give you the core skills needed to market, plus a significant amount of information about what the web-based back office provides, alongside goal-setting strategies...The two DVD's provided more in-depth training.

Originally Posted by ocon9316

- You "upgrade" (pay more money) to their higher tier programs and you then promote those higher end products as well. (You cannot earn any commissions on these higher ticket products until you yourself have bought them)

From afar, that's how it might look. On closer inspection (ie as an insider), it doesn't work like that, particularly if you buy the BiB as a standalone.

If I can clarify: The business-in-a-box is really designed to provide the core training for anyone wanting to learn how to market a product or service online, whether it's their own traditional brick-and-mortar business, or a service they offer, or as an affiliate for other products.

If you like, it provides the rocket launch pad - the required structure to get a business owner or individual up & running with marketing what they want to sell. In other words, it's marketing education of genuinly high value.

The high end products aren't CCPro - they are wealth education & investment management products offered by WMI.

When you buy CCPro, you do have a complete marketing training system, complemented by on-going training, webinars and so on. You don't have to market the high end products, or be associated with WMI at all, and there is no expectation to do so.

Originally Posted by ocon9316

- They do offer pretty good training (not worth even close to the pricetag, IMHO), but ultimately what the program boils down to is you pay money for the BiB which then shows you how to sell the exact same BiB to others. It's very similar to the old newspaper ads which read "Send me $10 to learn how to make easy money!" You then send $10 and get a letter telling you to place an ad in the newspaper telling people to send you $10 to learn how to make easy money...

I wouldn't be involved with CCPro if that's what it was. CCPro provides marketing training and education. Before joining in August 2009, I did 3 other online marketing training courses last year, which were all good to excellent.

The main reason for my continued use of CCPro is that I'm not just connected with a product, or training, but also I'm part of a community of entrepreneurs, on which I place significant value.

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Just my two cents. I tried it and didn't like it, but if you think you can really promote it well then go for it. For me there are much easier and far cheaper ways to make good money in IM.

I guess it depends on what you're after. It's quite possible to pick up some of the training piecemeal, but to have bang-up-to date strategies in an integrated platform, which are constantly being refined as the internet develops, plus on-going access to marketing trainers, leadership development and so on, makes all the difference IMO, & makes the price tag very much worth it: the price of the individual webinars, calls, skills and leadership development and live events (the latter of which I only pay a nominal fee for) if added it all up, would be in the tens of thousands of dollars.

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AffiliateKungfu

16 years ago

Does anyone have any idea about the drop-out rate of CCPro members?

I suppose it could be quite high considering the fact that they only reveal the higher participation costs to you further down the road.

Not that it's a problem for those who can afford to continue, though.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by AffiliateKungfu

Does anyone have any idea about the drop-out rate of CCPro members?

I suppose it could be quite high considering the fact that they only reveal the higher participation costs to you further down the road.

Not that it's a problem for those who can afford to continue, though.

Re drop-out rate: no idea, sorry.

About the 'higher participation costs down the road' - not quite sure what you mean. When I joined CCPro, I knew there would be an on-going monthly fees for use of the on-going marketing education & training, plus time & money costs associated with advertising. That's inevitable with any business, and something I readily accept.

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mdotwhite 16 years ago

Carbon Copy Pro seems to be a pretty legitimate opportunity to make money. Keep in mind that making money with a program like CCP depends on how well you market. I'm aware that they do provide extensive training and that's great. In my opinion though, to make money with CCP you will have to have a nice marketing budget. Just my 2 cents.
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16 years ago

Carbon Copy Pro Members-

All of you know that you are selling a product on how to make money (Carbon Copy Pro) that tells you how to make money selling the product on how to make money (Carbon Copy Pro).

You are basically using a funded proposal system to make the lead (Carbon Copy Pro buyer) qualify themselves, so you can later upsell them into Wealth Masters International.

Since you are using a modified MLM compensation model (hence your dowline/ upline terminology), the product you are selling is virtually immaterial to the business. THE REAL PRODUCT you are selling is the BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY itself. It is the compensation plan that attracted you to the business not the product. Would any rational business person buy any of your expensive info products without the financial component attached to it? Your customer is the distributor and the distributor has to get more distributor/ customers so you can get residuals. Otherwise the compensation model would not be attractive. And you can't be a distributor unless you are a customer? Geez what I wrote sounds as convoluted and inane as some of the glowing soliloquies I've read about CCP.

Okay, the CCP people have gained much knowledge from the financial education and products they've bought, read, and put into practice.

Instead of sales jargon give all of us some of the benefit of your experience from using the product you're selling.

Quantify what you've learned. Report some numbers to us like businesses do. Your sole proprietorship's, partnerships, C corps, S corps, LLC whatever you have must have filed tax returns or if you've just started you must have kept financial records.

Just give us percentages...
Gross Sales
Cost of Goods
Net sales

Admin Expenses
Salaries
Rent
Utilities/ Telephone
Etc.
Net Before Taxes

Give a us a cash flow proforma for the next few months

or maybe something easier
your ad spend every month
time (labor) spent on research =$ (your time is worth something)
time (labor) spent talking to people =$ (your time is worth something)
sales made
net profit or loss

And please spare the worn out platitudes like people fail systems don't crap. That's an excuse for being an incompetent leader/ manager in sales.

Enlighten us...

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by hblzr1

Carbon Copy Pro Members-
All of you know that you are selling a product on how to make money (Carbon Copy Pro) that tells you how to make money selling the product on how to make money (Carbon Copy Pro).

Naaahh - CCPro isn't in that league, thankfully. It's a marketing education & training system designed to train any online or offline business in how to market. Think of it like an mba in online marketing.

Originally Posted by hblzr1

You are basically using a funded proposal system to make the lead (Carbon Copy Pro buyer) qualify themselves, so you can later upsell them into Wealth Masters International.

You can purchase the marketing training independently of WMI as of sometime last Fall (sorry I don't have the exact date on me); in my case, as someone with no previous investment or depth of financial knowledge, I wanted the WMI product, so I purchased the CCPro training bundled with WMI - but, as I say, there is no need to do that if you aren't interested.

Originally Posted by hblzr1

Since you are using a modified MLM compensation model (hence your dowline/ upline terminology), the product you are selling is virtually immaterial to the business. THE REAL PRODUCT you are selling is the BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY itself. It is the compensation plan that attracted you to the business not the product. Would any rational business person buy any of your expensive info products without the financial component attached to it? Your customer is the distributor and the distributor has to get more distributor/ customers so you can get residuals. Otherwise the compensation model would not be attractive. And you can't be a distributor unless you are a customer? Geez what I wrote sounds as convoluted and inane as some of the glowing soliloquies I've read about CCP.

Well, I'd be 'out the door' pretty quick if I thought for one moment that I'm not getting genuine value for the products that I've bought. I'm no more a fan of pyramid schemes than anyone else on this forum, and CCPro & WMI don't fall into that category.

In my understanding, they both fit in the category of "single tier direct sales" products. It's true that if I choose to market the WMI product, I do get a potentially large or very large commission. That's not unique by any means to WMI - there are several other businesses I've seen out in the field which have a similar commission structure & high-ticket product.

Both CCPro & WMI aren't really suitable for people with no budget of either time or money - that's the same for any product being marketed.

I started out in Internet Marketing in Jan 2009 doing PPC/affiliate marketing & getting small commissions, running multiple campaigns...lots of CPA offer, and so on, and like many others, I learned by trial & error.

I don't regret that experience one bit (I even made some money on one or two offers, which surprised me as I'd had no previous play with PPC).

The thing I found most hard, was that I didn't have a network around me of other marketers who could give advice, or training from a variety of different people on different aspects of marketing.

I was attracted to CCPro because I knew I'd find that training & marketing education. I had prevsiously been part of 3 other PPC training courses (which were pretty good to excellent), but they didn't really come across as communities, but I have found that in CCPro.

Sure, I get a commission on the product when I'm marketing it - that's true of many of us here I guess. And I wouldn't be here explaining my angle on CCPro if I didn't think it was worth anything to some people - as I say, it's a real product, not some shell.

Originally Posted by hblzr1

Quantify what you've learned.

You got me there! I've been a member of CCPro as of August 2008, and haven't really sat down to quantify the impact of the training on the businesses I run - that would be quite hard for me in reality, as what I've learned feeds into what I'm doing in several ways. Sorry I can't help there

[very frustrating I know!]

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16 years ago

Dez, I am sorry you wasted your time writing a post trying to defend CCP. The intent of my post was not to denigrate the program. You could have substituted any make money program in its place.

The post was more of a wake up call for IM/ MLM/ Direct Sales people to stop falling for the feel good, self improvement hyperbole that's part of that business model and take a real hard look at the business or any business you've chosen to be in.

You are in business to make a profit aren't you? You have to have respect for money. Respect that as a consumer you have worked hard to earn every penny or in your case tuppence. Respect that as a seller that you give great value to the consumer to earn that hard earned dollar/ euro/ pound they part with. Don't spend/ invest that hard earned money wisely and make it work for you and you will go broke.

No matter what business you're in, you have to establish a baseline and apply some kind of metrics to find out where you are in every step of the process to reach your financial goal. The math is simple - sales minus expenses equals a profit or loss. How far away are you from profit?

It escapes me why people abdicate their common sense when they enter into the IM/ MLM/ Direct Sales business. On a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being zero income and 10 being your idea of financial success, can you honestly say where you are?

You said that with CCP you have an MBA in online marketing. Can't you see you've fallen into the trap of espousing the same make money hyperbole? Since you have the MBA of online marketing, again I ask where are the numbers to validate that what you learned is of any value? Surely you must have been taught that you need financial data to file taxes.

Master of Business Administration or Massive Bank Account, the CCP information hasn't given you either. What good is advanced financial advice like tax shelters, off shore banks, etc. if you don't have a pot to piss in?

You seem to have knowledge and experience in the IM area. Forget the gurus and stop buying any more schemes and believe in your own abilities. I am sad to say that if your post reflects what you've learned from CCP, the information has failed you miserably regarding business.

Use the alleged good financial and marketing advice you got and open your mind, put pencil to paper and develop a good business plan to attain your financial goals. Direct sales people love pithy sayings, so I have one for you PLAN YOUR WORK AND WORK YOUR PLAN.

If it's your plan you will succeed. You don't need other people to make that plan. You will need people to succeed, duh. Only you and you alone can know what you want. It's YOUR BUSINESS.

Good Luck or should I say SKILL!!

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by hblzr1

Dez, I am sorry you wasted your time writing a post trying to defend CCP. The intent of my post was not to denigrate the program.

The post was more of a wake up call for IM/ MLM/ Direct Sales people to stop falling for the feel good, self improvement hyperbole that's part of that business model and take a real hard look at the business or any business you've chosen to be in.

Hi hblzr1,

There's a mix of points in the above - many people are striving for self-improvement, and WMI emphasizes the financial aspects of self-improvement particularly. IMO, that's a solid business model.

CCPro provides an online marketing education for anyone wanting to gain the skills needed to market their existing business (of which I have two, and have just started a third).

Both companies offer a commission if you choose to market their products.

Originally Posted by hblzr1

You are in business to make a profit aren't you? You have to have respect for money. Respect that as a consumer you have worked hard to earn every penny or in your case tuppence. Respect that as a seller that you give great value to the consumer to earn that hard earned dollar/ euro/ pound they part with. Don't spend/ invest that hard earned money wisely and make it work for you and you will go broke.

Good stuff hblzr1 - completely agree. I'm using the self-improvements I'm gaining through WMI & CCPro to become a better businessman in the businesses I'm already running, and to gain the skills and financial education I know that are required to be able to turn other ideas I have into valuable products for possible future clients.

Originally Posted by hblzr1

No matter what business you're in, you have to establish a baseline and apply some kind of metrics to find out where you are in every step of the process to reach your financial goal. The math is simple - sales minus expenses equals a profit or loss. How far away are you from profit?

As I say, my main emphasis for using both is to provide myself with the education I know is required for my existing & future business plans. I'd rather gain this experience and knowledge from up-to-date training and expertise that try to figure it out via the classic trial-and-error approach that I know I would be operating otherwise.

It may take me 3 years to graduate, but the training is superb - as I say, I benefitted from 3 other IM courses during '09, but this is by far the best in terms of experienced trainers and up-to-the-minute marketing insight.

Maybe I didn't communicate it clearly enough (sorry if this is the case) - but my main reason for buying both the CCPro & WMI products is because I knew what I didn't know, and it was imperative to find out, if I was to gain the knowledge needed to run a business. I also wanted to be part of a connected community, with systematic training in place, rather than just grabbing snippets of help from all over the place.

As someone who is on the receiving end of the education I'm gaining, it's worth every cent. I've been in education for the last 15 years, and I know good training when I see it. The knock-on effects of the experience and understanding always comes later, in many different ways.

Some of this might become quantifiable yes, but some of it less so. When you apply what you learn in new situations and contexts, it becomes more of an art rather than a science, to gain reliable, empirical data on how effectively you are using what you have learned, and what it wouldn't be like if you didn't know what you do know.

In my existing businesses, I can certainly say that what I've learned already from CCPro is having a significant impact on the value that I'm giving to my existing business clients, and the knock-on effect it will have in their profit margins, so if that's a metric, then, yes, I'm gaining, and so are they.

Originally Posted by hblzr1

Use the alleged good financial and marketing advice you got and open your mind, put pencil to paper and develop a good business plan to attain your financial goals. Direct sales people love pithy sayings, so I have one for you PLAN YOUR WORK AND WORK YOUR PLAN.

If it's your plan you will succeed. You don't need other people to make that plan. You will need people to succeed, duh. Only you and you alone can know what you want. It's YOUR BUSINESS.

Good Luck or should I say SKILL!!

Hey hblzr1! Have you nicked the CCPro training manuals??!!!

Seriously for a minute - that's exactly what any good business advice, including CCPro, gives. In fact, what you've said above is continually being elucidated in the CCPro training - I suspect because many people don't plan. (97% don't if Robert Kiyosaki's data is correct).

What you've written above is very clearly laid out & I hope will be of use to many here. Keep the no-nonsense posts coming. I know they're doing a lot people some big favors.

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Lee McKenna

Banned 15 years ago

I'm involved with YourNetBiz.com and make good money but I've always wanted to join something else and CarboCopyPRO keeps popping up.

I was going to just join WMI and sell it on the back end of YNB but not sure if that will work as well as selling CarbonCopyPRO then WMI on the back end?

I think it would be best to just start a new business from scratch and srat a new list and keep it separate from YNB and see what makes the most money.

By the way what do you think would make the most money with the same amount of quality leads... YourNetBiz were you get $2,995 per sale and get to keep $2,000 profit or CarbonCopyPRO with WMI?

ANd if anyone knows how much can you just make selling CarbonCopyPRO by its self?

Is it residual?

How does it work?

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I think I will join one day soon as its nice to have two business running just as a back up if anything were to go wrong with one.

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dezfutak

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lee McKenna

I'm involved with YourNetBiz.com and make good money but I've always wanted to join something else and CarboCopyPRO keeps popping up.

I was going to just join WMI and sell it on the back end of YNB but not sure if that will work as well as selling CarbonCopyPRO then WMI on the back end?

If you have a well segmented list, then those that are interested in wealth creation would provide a very congruent fit with WMI, so that wouldn't be a problem.

Originally Posted by Lee McKenna

I think it would be best to just start a new business from scratch and srat a new list and keep it separate from YNB and see what makes the most money.

As Frank Kern always mantrasizes (not sure if that's a word):

"The money is in the relationship & the value that you build with the people on your list" (my expanded version, but same sentiment).

...so you can always introduce PRO or WMI (or now, with the new PROU product line alternatively) to a proportion of your existing lists, or just build new sales funnels using CCPRO. It has a very flexible/customizable marketing platform.

Originally Posted by Lee McKenna

By the way what do you think would make the most money with the same amount of quality leads... YourNetBiz were you get $2,995 per sale and get to keep $2,000 profit or CarbonCopyPRO with WMI?

With WMI (& now also PROU), there are a number of backend products - Skype me if you want more info.

Originally Posted by Lee McKenna

ANd if anyone knows how much can you just make selling CarbonCopyPRO by its self?

Is it residual?

How does it work?

For PRO itself: $150 + $30/month residual. That's just the tip of the iceberg now though, as PRO has just expanded its product line hugely.

Originally Posted by Lee McKenna

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I think I will join one day soon as its nice to have two business running just as a back up if anything were to go wrong with one.

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Lee Mckenna

It's all down to cashflow. The ROI on PRO/WMI/ProU is very good when you have cultivated the right relationship with the right list (back to Mr Kern again!)

Add me on Skype if you want to get my low-down on PRO/WMI etc. They are top notch communities/companies IMO.

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Lee McKenna

Banned 15 years ago

I've added you on Skype I would like to know more about the commission structure and what is ProU?

Is that another back end product like WMI?

Thanks for your help

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lee McKenna

I've added you on Skype I would like to know more about the commission structure and what is ProU?

Is that another back end product like WMI?

Thanks for your help

Lee Mckenna

Great to chat with you yesterday Lee - glad it was useful.

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neilmak 15 years ago

Thanks hblzr1. This has to be one of the top posts in the Warrior Forum: Practical, down-to-earth, useful, what-is-the-bottom-line? material.
Posts like this are the reason most of us joined the WF (the others just want to promote their own products...). Keep up the good work.
Suggestion: A better byline might be "The voice of reason." [grin]
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AffiliateKungfu

16 years ago

Great post there by hblzr1.

I believe life should be made simple, not the other way round!

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davesteffensmeier

16 years ago

I have several mentors that promote Carbon Copy Pro. It sounds like it gives you up front cash and residual cash.

Have a great day!
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sdentrepreneur 16 years ago

CCPRO has changed from a Home Business/Make Money from Home to an Internet Education Company. As of November 2009, you can now resell CCPRO Internet Education to Retail Businesses and you can also chose not to sell Wealth Masters products and you can plug in what ever business opportunity you chose.

I have been with them over 2 years now and personally know many successful people in this company including myself.
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rjaf

16 years ago

CCP sounds as dodgy as dodgy can be!

Hint: Do you think that any single Forum member ever, ever, ever paid their employer each month for the "privilege" of working for them? Or did they work for the employer, and then be paid for the work they did?

The words gullible, pyramid, Ponzi, Cayman Islands, and broke spring to mind.

Surprisingly, CCP is, as of this year, part of Warrior Forum's PIPS scheme. Not sure at all of what to make of that.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by rjaf

CCP sounds as dodgy as dodgy can be!

Hint: Do you think that any single Forum member ever, ever, ever paid their employer each month for the "privilege" of working for them? Or did they work for the employer, and then be paid for the work they did?

The words gullible, pyramid, Ponzi, Cayman Islands, and broke spring to mind.

Surprisingly, CCP is, as of this year, part of Warrior Forum's PIPS scheme. Not sure at all of what to make of that.

Hey there Rjaf, I have been with CCPRO since 2007 and I can assure you it is far from dodgy. Myself and many others have had amazing success with this company. I don't think you can name any other company that has created as many 6 and 7 figure members.
It is definitely not for every one. If you are lazy and have a poor mindset, there is slim chance of you making it.
There are costs to get started and you need to pay a monthly membership fee. I wish you well on what ever you chose to do but I just wanted to set the record straight that you are clearly misinformed if you think CCPRO is a pryamid or ponzi scheme.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by rjaf

Surprisingly, CCP is, as of this year, part of Warrior Forum's PIPS scheme. Not sure at all of what to make of that.

Hi rjaf - like sdentrepreneur, I'm also a member of CCPRO, so feel free to completely disregard the rest of the post below...

My main benefit is that I have continual updates on cutting-edge internet marketing education and training, with what is working today, and access to a team of mentors to help me in every way possible.

Additionally, CCPRO as a business opportunity operates a single-tier direct sales commission payment model, so there is NO WAY it could ever be accused of being a pyramid scheme.

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16 years ago

Hi James & Dez,

I genuinely hope you both make a good living from CCP; I won't be trying it, though.

It's weird, to say the least, that getting to the nub of What It Does To Make One Any Money (other than flogging CCP to others) seems impossible. And that means a "Thanks, But No Thanks" from me!

Richard

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by rjaf

Hi James & Dez,

I genuinely hope you both make a good living from CCP; I won't be trying it, though.

It's weird, to say the least, that getting to the nub of What It Does To Make One Any Money (other than flogging CCP to others) seems impossible. And that means a "Thanks, But No Thanks" from me!

Richard

Thanks rjf.

What does it take to make money on the internet?

Mindset, Marketing, Mission, Method & Team.

Mindset = many people don't make money because of unresolved issues between their ears, which inhibit their certainty of success.

Marketing = A system/pipeline/funnel with a database/email list/CRM

Mission = a bigger picture of how exactly you want life to be once you have the $$$

Method = on-going, relevant and cutting-edge training.

Team = masterminding with other like-minded entrepreneurs (certainly available here).

CCPRO offers that all in one single package.

Hope that helps,

Dez.

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rjaf 16 years ago

@Dez

Thanks for that.

Perhaps my expectations are naive, but my plan is to build a load of niche websites, see which ones work, bin those that don't, and continue ad infinitum. I expect to outlay $1000 over the next 12 months to "get my party started", and, after careful research of WSOs, have identified about 8 WSOs that I'll be buying into to get me up-to-speed ASAP.

What made you go for CCPro, rather than the usual (and less expensive) niche/CPA approach?

Also, isn't there an inherent danger of putting all one's eggs in one basket with CCPro?

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by rjaf

CCP sounds as dodgy as dodgy can be!

Hint: Do you think that any single Forum member ever, ever, ever paid their employer each month for the "privilege" of working for them? Or did they work for the employer, and then be paid for the work they did?

The words gullible, pyramid, Ponzi, Cayman Islands, and broke spring to mind.

Surprisingly, CCP is, as of this year, part of Warrior Forum's PIPS scheme. Not sure at all of what to make of that.

Hi, I joined CCPRO two weeks ago after thoroughly researching the company. It is definitely not a scam but you are required to dedicate a lot of time to learn the techniques. This so far has been a very steep learning curve but I know that I will reap the benefits within the next few months.

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sdentrepreneur

16 years ago

Cheers to that Imurphy !!! I joined CCPRO in 2007 and I have been full time Internet Marketer since then. I get 90 % of my training from their back office and the rest from Forums and other training programs like Frank Kern.

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16 years ago

Once I start making some big bucks from some of my current adventures, I might take a look at CarbonCopyPro. Seems like a rich mans MLM. I'm actually in another Rich man's MLM right now. I wonder how hands off and passive you can make CCP if you've got the money? If I one day join I don't want to be working hard all day.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Crop Circle

Once I start making some big bucks from some of my current adventures, I might take a look at CarbonCopyPro. Seems like a rich mans MLM. I'm actually in another Rich man's MLM right now. I wonder how hands off and passive you can make CCP if you've got the money? If I one day join I don't want to be working hard all day.

If you get any sales funnel working well, you can make it hands-off

for the most part. Every funnel wants some tweaking, testing and changing.

In terms of the amount of money - here's the thing: one person can make 7 figures, and with the exact same system, another person may make zilch, nada.

At the end of the day, the biggest factor is always going to be what's going on between the ears.

But I will tell you this: the combination of CCPRO + WMI mean you don't have to work so hard to get the income you want.

For myself, I've gone the same route as James Hickey - I run my own marketing agency and work with offline businesses, as well as operating my online marketing in conjunction with CCPRO.

HTH,

Dez.

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Josh Richardson

15 years ago

I am a sponser of this program and for good reason. THIS WORKS. Expensive? Yes. Worth every penny? Yes

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15 years ago

"Good things are not cheap..and cheap things are no good"

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dezfutak 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Regional Warrior

"Good things are not cheap..and cheap things are no good"

Well, I agree with the first half...but there are some terrific cheap WSO's flying around at the moment

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rockgold

15 years ago

I was still a newbie a few years ago and was taken in by carbon copy pro for over $3000 in high end products that weren't any use to me. I wish I could get a refund on it now. There are far cheaper ways to learn affiliate mktg on a shoestring budget.

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dezfutak 15 years ago

*OUCH* Sorry to hear

Well, I most certainly wasn't taken in & the products that I purchased continue to be of immense value even 18 months later; I *do* agree that there are cheaper ways to learn affiliate marketing for sure, but CCPRO provides a huge gamut of training covering many areas of sales & marketing, with expert & well-respected industry leaders giving training that alone would cost hundreds, if not thousands of dollars.

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jrafique

15 years ago

This post is going to be huge and should be as CCPRO is really worth the money.

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dezfutak 15 years ago

Originally Posted by jrafique

This post is going to be huge and should be as CCPRO is really worth the money.

? Not sure what you mean by "is going to be..."

The thread has been simmering away nicely for over 12 months now, but I wouldn't say it's by any means "huge" compared to other threads that take WF by storm (eg some of the amazing WSO's recently).

I do agree CCPRO is worth the money (many times over) though

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srbilles

15 years ago

I used it and didn't think it was worth it's salt. There are way better marketing systems out there to spend your money on then CCPro. Just my opinion though.

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dezfutak

15 years ago

Originally Posted by srbilles

I used it and didn't think it was worth it's salt. There are way better marketing systems out there to spend your money on then CCPro. Just my opinion though.

@srbilles - Well, I guess it's "courses for horses"; it depends on how you want to get to where you want to be. PRO is much more than a marketing system; it offers the whole gamut of sales, marketing, mindset & leadership development, strategic wealth creation training and more than can be described here.

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Dez.

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15 years ago

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