Overall I like Market Samurai the best and use it most. That being said, I also use Micro Niche Finder as well. If I were only allowed 1 out of the 3, hands down for me it's market Samurai.
Overall I like Market Samurai the best and use it most. That being said, I also use Micro Niche Finder as well. If I were only allowed 1 out of the 3, hands down for me it's market Samurai.
Without a doubt, Keyword Elite is the best tool out there... and you wait until Keyword Elite 2.0 comes out... this one totally kicks butt
Loz, you are great guy and I have bought your product too and I am a KE owner. BUT I don't like the fact that it does not use the google external keyword data.
Now if you tell me that situation is changing, I would be very happy !!
google external data, what ya mean mate, the suggestion tool, or the search numbers it spits out? If the latter, then I agree, but that's not cos Brad doesn't want to, it's due to the fact that Google hasn't released it out in their API yet.
So it uses a 3rd party to get the numbers to find aggregate data collected from a few sources... all one has to do is multiply the figures for searches shown by 3 for google
Originally Posted by steveaaa
Loz, you are great guy and I have bought your product too and I am a KE owner. BUT I don't like the fact that it does not use the google external keyword data.
Now if you tell me that situation is changing, I would be very happy !!
But then keyword external does not always give me all the related keywords (and the laterals). So I like to use Proj 1 in KE for that (I have not tried it actually, but that is what I am planning), and then importing that into Market Sam.
tag2453, you *can* install Market Samurai on more than one computer - you can install it on *two* computers, and without an extra licence - how cool is that.
I recently started a website devoted to Market Samurai resources and reviews (see my sig for the link). Since you already use the software, you might like to check out my latest Market Samurai tips and also the list of Market Samurai videos in the post before that.
Laurian, I love Market Samurai. This software does so much more than you might already know. Much, much more than just research.
To check up some of the other things it can do for you, you can view the whole salesletter (there's a link to it on the right-hand side of my site) scroll down to about two thirds down the salespage, and you'll see a whole list of things that will surprise you.
You can. You can install MS on 2 computers. If your having issues, go to the MS site and log in, manage your software via their support panel. Reset it. Then register up to 2 copies of MS.
You can. You can install MS on 2 computers. If your having issues, go to the MS site and log in, manage your software via their support panel. Reset it. Then register up to 2 copies of MS.
Cisco
So...?
What is the point?
You can install all of the freeware keyword tools on all of your computers.
And you can install the paid programs like KeyWordElite and MicroNicheFinder on multiple computers, not just two, with ease. You do not have to make changes or go through a CIA waterboarding to get it done.
internetmarketer 99, the competition results (SEOC) in Market Samurai are taken straight from Google; they're the results of the phrase-match searches (made in quotes), so you need to do the comparison search as "your keyword" in quotes. Also, you want to make sure that you're using exactly the same settings in Market Samurai as you're using in Google.
Is Market Samurai running a promotion currently? Any coupon etc. for discounted price?
Ray
Hey Ray,
I think the clock expired on this, but if you ping 30DC 2009 version, there "was" a 40% discount on Samurai.
As a 30 day challenger, you can now get Market Samurai for $87 instead of the regular price of $149. That's a discount of 42%. I can't believe the Noble Samurai boys are offering Market Samurai at this price but there it is...what can I do. PS: I bought MNF (v4.2) 6 months ago ~ who wants it for 33% off?
Nearly every result I got was waaaaay different than Wordtracker and SEOBook.
In fact, when I checked the "competition" results, which is verifiable via Google, every one I checked was completely off.
I really want MS to fulfill it's 'promise', but I've found the results to be very unreliable.
Mark
It pulls from google external tool not wordtracker (which is a good thing to most people), so they would be different. Edit: actually results are 100% reliable against google external keyword tool.
Is Market Samurai running a promotion currently? Any coupon etc. for discounted price?
There's a promotion currently going on. If you buy during the first 7 days of your 12-day trial, it's $97. For the 5 days after that, it's $127. Once your trial has ended, the price goes back up to the normal $149.
[Edit note: previously in this post I referred to using a link on my site. I've now deleted that from this post. Yes, use the Market Samurai links on my blog by all means (please ) but the promo is for *all* new subscribers.]
Originally Posted by steveaaa
I just tried samurai today myself, and it is a GREAT tool. Only beef is the small screen
Steve, you can maximize the screen. See far top right of your Market Samurai screen, button next to the red one. It will go as big as your monitor screen.
Wow, thanks, yes, can maximize the screen. I feel like a dummy!
Other than that, this is the best tool ever.
One thing I wish you guys would do -- it is VERY tedious otherwise:
allow multiple key phrases to be entered together, just like google external. It is tedious right now.. if I am researching 'white teeth' and 'white tooth' have to create two searches - tedious. Or maybe I am missing something.
One thing I wish you guys would do -- it is VERY tedious otherwise:
allow multiple key phrases to be entered together, just like google external. It is tedious right now.. if I am researching 'white teeth' and 'white tooth' have to create two searches - tedious. Or maybe I am missing something.
Steve, do you mean that you want to know the figures for each of 'white teeth' and 'white tooth', or do you mean you want to get related keywords for each of them?
1. If you want the data for each, then open a tab for, say, white teeth, and then type white tooth into the "Add Keywords" box & click Update. You can paste a whole lot of other keywords into that box & click Update.
2. If you want to get a whole lot of related keywords for each, then the easiest way is to open up two separate tabs.
There's a promotion currently going on. If you buy during the first 7 days of your 12-day trial, it's $97. For the 5 days after that, it's $127. Once your trial has ended, the price goes back up to the normal $149.
[Edit note: previously in this post I referred to using a link on my site. I've now deleted that from this post. Yes, use the Market Samurai links on my blog by all means (please ) but the promo is for *all* new subscribers.]
Steve, you can maximize the screen. See far top right of your Market Samurai screen, button next to the red one. It will go as big as your monitor screen.
Is the upgrade promo still on for the first 7 days?
Will I still get all the bonuses of the $149 full version if I upgrade the trial at $97
According to the site the bonuses are:
Give you access to FIVE active market samurai modules (including "SEO Competition" without which you are DEFENSELESS against violating Golden Rule #3).
Give you FREE access to three more cutting-edge "Bonus" modules
(to be released this year) - valued at $481
Give you a Free upgrade to our "Mystery Module" - (to be released in the next 4-6
weeks) - value $167
That's $648 of Bonus Value - But only if you take action TODAY:
I wrote about the first 7 days upgrade promo in May. I'm trying to get confirmation that it still stands from the Market Samurai team (see the Newsflash good news line at the bottom of this post)
Here's more good news:
Originally Posted by neongreen
According to the site the bonuses are:
Give you access to FIVE active market samurai modules (including "SEO Competition" without which you are DEFENSELESS against violating Golden Rule #3).
Give you FREE access to three more cutting-edge "Bonus" modules
(to be released this year) - valued at $481
Give you a Free upgrade to our "Mystery Module" - (to be released in the next 4-6
weeks) - value $167
That's $648 of Bonus Value - But only if you take action TODAY:
Whichever way you buy Market Samurai today, with whatever offer or promo, you will get *all* the bonuses.
The take action TODAY bit is to do with the team keeping it tight under their belt as to when they're going to start changing the way the software is bought by us Joe & Josephine Public. I don't *think* that will happen tomorrow, because right about now a lot of new Market Samurai users will be queuing up to buy as a result of the Thirty Day Challenge course that used Market Samurai. But I'm not privy to their secrets.
Nearly every result I got was waaaaay different than Wordtracker and SEOBook.
In fact, when I checked the "competition" results, which is verifiable via Google, every one I checked was completely off.
I really want MS to fulfill it's 'promise', but I've found the results to be very unreliable.
Mark
This is a common concern.
The truth is, reliability isn't the real issue.
Market Samurai can only ever display the data that it finds (it's software - it just performs a simple process).
But unless you know the process it's using, you'll never get the same results if you try to duplicate them manually.
So although people often worry about Market Samurai being slightly different to the data they receive manually, it's usually because they're gathering the data in a slightly different way.
Let me show you what I mean...
Originally Posted by internetmarketer99
Nearly every result I got was waaaaay different than Wordtracker and SEOBook.
Yes.
SEOBook's keyword suggestion tool uses Wordtracker's keyword suggestion tool. (So they *should* match each-other)
But Market Samurai will ALMOST NEVER match either of them. We do something that I think is much more accurate - we use Google's own data.
Wordtracker uses data from meta search engines - like Dogpile. Unfortunately, most people these days don't use meta search engines anymore - most people use Google data. So Wordtracker needs to scale-up its data to estimate how much traffic there might be on the larger search engines.
So if Dogpile has [say] 1% of the search market, and Google has 80%, and Dogpile is your source of data, you could assume that 80 days worth of Dogpile data is equal to 1 day of Google searches... But unfortunately, this isn't always the case.
For example, most internet marketers would use Google to search for products and services - not meta search engines... Likewise programmers, and other tech-savvy people. So the data gets skewed in some markets.
Market Samurai uses Google's own keyword traffic data to estimate traffic levels.
It sounds obvious - I know - but Market Samurai was the first keyword tool to do this.
Originally Posted by internetmarketer99
In fact, when I checked the "competition" results, which is verifiable via Google, every one I checked was completely off.
When we're checking competition results, there are two things we check:
The number of competitors (the SEO Competitor counts that you see in the Keyword Research module), and;
The strength of competition (the SEO Competition Analysis module)
Let's look at both of these.
The SEO Competitor counts are based on phrase-matched results in Google.
So if your keyword is dog training (to pick a good internet marketing example ) then Market Samurai will do a Google search for "Dog Training" (in quotes) to find out how many web-sites are using that phrase.
It's a much more indicative measure of competition - because there's a big difference between "credit cards" and companies that make greeting "cards" that shop owners can buy on "credit"... Or "dog training" and a video store's web-site that stocks both "training" day and reservoir "dogs"
In that way, Market Samurai is counting the number of sites that at least mention the keyword phrase... Because it's the most basic thing a web-site can do if they want to compete for rankings on the keyword.
Now, SEO Competition Analysis...
This is the top 10 results in Google for a keyword, and their SEO factors.
This is affected by your project settings - so you'll get different results if you select "All Countries and Territories" to "Botswana" to "United States".
Or if you're comparing results that you search manually, to results that Market Samurai gathers for a specific region. (Because Google will automatically try to tailor results to where it sees you're from)
Or if you're logged into a Google account when you search (again, because Google will try to tailor results to where it sees you're from)
Or if you try doing a search in Internet Explorer, and then try again with Firefox or Safari or Chrome (because for some weird reason, Google shows different results to users of different browsers)
HOWEVER...
...what Market Samurai is getting is an average, typical top 10 competitor snapshot for the region that you have selected.
Google has 100's, perhaps 1,000's, or even 10,000's of servers all displaying search results (each with slightly different data) - and they want to tailor results to users.
But what Market Samurai does is uses a smart system for getting typical results from any region in the world, tailored to any language in the world.
So although Google might change its data in different circumstances, what you see in Market Samurai will be very similar to what searchers see (if they're coming from the region that you selected in Market Samurai)
I just tried samurai today myself, and it is a GREAT tool. Only beef is the small screen, but that is probably due to Adobe Air and cannot be helped...
Market Samurai does it all... practically. I've been using it for months and i still haven't used the advanced features. Each of the modules is like a seperate application unto itself. Kudos to the MS team for making such a vaulable product
Market Samurai does it all... practically. I've been using it for months and i still haven't used the advanced features. Each of the modules is like a seperate application unto itself. Kudos to the MS team for making such a vaulable product
Been using MS myself and I can see why everyone recommends it. It does everything it claims.
I found it hard to find the link you referred to. Could you clarify, PM maybe?
Also, for how long will the promo last?
Originally Posted by curiousguy
Hi Boadicea
These prices are your offer or these are market-samuri rules?
regards
Sorry I didn't get back to you both earlier - we had a holiday here in the UK.
Ray, the links are on the right hand side of my site. However, the promotion is open to anyone who signs up at the moment, so you can do it through Noble Samurai's own site if you prefer (they're the team behind Market Samurai): http://www.noblesamurai.com/products.php
I don't know how long the promo will last.
PLEASE NOTE: the info I previously put into this post was incorrect, & I have now corrected it.
My apologies to all in this thread and to all who read it - the promo is available to *all* new Market Samurai subscribers, regardless of which link you use to sign up. I don't know how long the promo will go on for.
I've corrected the previous posts I put in this thread.
Now I'd like to make amends. So if you have more questions about Market Samurai then please ask.
I have been heavily hitting MS for the last 24 hours and all I can say is WOW!
I still like KE for crawling all the top sites for the keyword phrase, and extracting those. I am thinking of getting those and importing them to MS. That would do the 'lateral thinking'.
HI every body
I have a trial version of market samurai and I have trouble with google sometimes?THe problem is trial version or something else?
thanks
curiousguy, could you please expand on that "trouble with google" problem you're having - what sort of trouble is it? Ie, what happens, and at what point does it happen?
@curiousguy, if you download MS right now (free), then I think there is a 7 day deadline for getting it at $97. After that it would be $147 or something.
I got it at $97. So far so good. As I said, I am not throwing away my KElite, and will use that to get thousands of keywords (proj 1) and then run that thru MS, and let MS take care of it from there.
I don't know what Boadicea offers besides that, but I am sure he will jump in.
Market Samurai Has a LOT of features
and different functions.
Micro niche finder doesnt have all the
different functions as MS does,
But I do use MNF to analyze data from MS...
so go figure...
I use both MNF and MS now,
they have different functions and different purposes.
MNF has some free vids to watch to show some ways it
is being used.
MNF has a lower price tag than MS,
and u can buy a MNF-to-go, a version that
is available on USB drive, and installable
on more than one machine also.
Or you can get the standard download...
u can buy a MNF-to-go, a version that
is available on USB drive, ...
Actually, you get the USB drive for free when you place your order. This may be a limited offer but last I checked it is given to you as a bonus. I just got mine in the mail.
I have MNF it doesn't do that good of a job finding long tail keyphrases but I cross reference with other free tools. I have not tried MS yet because you can't register for seo digger anymore and I also heard that it doesn't measure the strenght of competition.
2. It definitely measures the strength of the competition.
You can watch Noble Samurai's training videos and YouTube videos without signing up to Market Samurai, so I'd say if you like take a look. There's a long list of the videos here:
Hi Boadicea
First: Some times google doesn,t respond to query.I'm not sure about the message exactly but something like "server is busy, try later".
Please can you let me know what it is that you've been doing just before you get that message curiousguy? It really depends on what you were trying to do.
Second: Are you sure about $97 for market samurai during trial period?
I decided to buy it but the price is $167 ?Where can 1 buy it at $97?
It's been $97 for new subscribers since 19th May (and I think for some time before that), but only if you'd bought Market Samurai in the first 7 days of your trial. For the next 5 days of your trial it would have been $127 to buy, and after that it's the full price, ie $149. Those are the same figures I wrote in my May 20th post in this thread.
I see from an earlier post that you'd already taken up your trial on May 5th. So your 12-day trial period would have ended on or before May 17th, depending on what date you started the trial, which is why you're being asked to pay the normal price.
The normal price is $149 not $167 - I think you might have been reading this bit of the sales page: "free upgrade to our "Mystery Module" - (to be released in the next 4-6 weeks) - value $167"
To reiterate, the $97 offer is for people who buy within the first 7 days of their trial. It's an incentive to buy earlier rather than later.
Market Samurai is definitely the bst for SEO. It much more than just Keyword Research and has so many usefull functions that you cannt do proper SEO without it.
If you need something for PPC then it's probably not the best. KeywordSpy and Spyfu will probably be better at giving you exact money earner keywords.
I've been using Market Samurai now for 3 months and find it extremely useful. It is great for finding niche markets that have high search and low web presence. Well worth the investment. The other great thing is that the developers are always improving the product. Just about every time I load the software there is an upgrade waiting to be installed!
i use keyword elite and mnf they seem to accentuate each other at times and with mnf its like the previous posts say you get an extra copy of the program on a 64 gig usb stick that you can use on any computer anywhere.just don.t forget it at home like i have lol
I prefer MS. over the others. however they all have their advantages.
MS tends to have the best data and I think it has to do with comparing data with google trends. If you follow ed dale. He taught this 2 years ago in 30 day challenge.
I'm very solidly in the Market Samurai camp. The free keyword research module is worth more than most paid keyword tools on its own, and when you add in the other SEO functions, it seems like a no brainer to me.
after watching the videos i bought MNF only to be disappointed in the customer service, there is none. i emailed my questions several times and got no response.
the most trouble some feature is you can't toggle between searches. i end up saving alot of the same kw because i cant remember if i saved them or not.
i realize james is busy but i feel if you sell a product you should take care of your customers questions. if he is to busy hire someone.
I love Market Samurai with all of its features.
Bought at the discounted price of $87.
I like the fact that it is a once off purchase price and that the product gets updated on a regular basis
Micro Niche Finder offers a wonderful one-page display with easy red, yellow, and green indicators to summarize the keyword potential. Also, its creator, marketer James Jones, is generous, helpful and talented. The upgrades come frequently, and the Help Desk works very well. You'll never have buyer's remorse because of his efforts.
The one major drawback of Micro Niche FInder is it doesn't run off a proxy (or whatever I'm supposed to call it). That means that Google will block searches after way too short a period. Research is slow as a result, although James tries to fix the problem by allowing background search options.
Market Samurai offers a complete array of solid keyword bells and whistles plus wonderful new training videos. Ed Dale and his crew offer excellent support and upgrades. Market Samurai flies because of the upgrades, and it doesn't quit because it runs on a proxy.
Often the OCI competitive indicator is slow or quits in both of these programs. It wasn't built to withstand the onslaught of keyword searching that goes on daily. Maybe it doesn't matter: Adwords costs are probably a better competitive indicator anyway.
I'm happy to own them both plus others dedicated to specialized searches. Good luck!
Market Samurai is the last tool I will ever use for keyword research, back linking, and finding content. When I first tried Market Samurai I had tested out the unfinished beta version, and even then I was so amazed at how easy it made keyword research for me. Then after it was finished all the features that were added to my Market Samurai arsenal truly makes Market Samurai the best market research tool I have ever tried, and trust me I have tried many. Being as lazy as I am I always seem spend money on tools that claim they will make keyword research easier. In my opinion Market Samurai definitely over delivered.
Hi Brent,
Many thanks for such a detailed reply. Yes, it clearly explains what was showing in my MS research.
Now I will manually add the missing URL's from UK competitors in the UK search result (radius button), to complete Competition Strength, to show what I need to obtain a higher postion.
In your guy's opinion, what's the better indicator of competitition for your keyword? I'm using the trial for both Market Samurai and Keyword Elite. Would it be Market Samurai's "SEOTCR" or Keyword Elite's "Competition Strength". I saw in results they differed from each other so I'm confused now.
I'm Looking to get keyword Elite this week it seem like you guys talks about Market Samurai more, it's sound like that the product everyone need to be using..
What about the best keyword tool for SEO and not PPC? I think some of those you mentioned above are great for PPC but I think that something like Keyword Discovery which draws results from organic search traffic and does not mix in google PPC click counts may be what people are looking for when doing SEO research for keywords?
What about the best keyword tool for SEO and not PPC? I think some of those you mentioned above are great for PPC but I think that something like Keyword Discovery which draws results from organic search traffic and does not mix in google PPC click counts may be what people are looking for when doing SEO research for keywords?
I agree!!!
Finally, someone with some sense.
There are uses for the paid keyword tools and we can all argue about their virtues and defaults until the radiation debilitates us, but the free tools work just as good for the average marketer and for finding the best results in each particular search engine that you may be using.
It is common sense.
If you are targeting a market that is already owned, online and offline, by major corporations, then it doesn't matter what keyword tool, SEO tool, or newest marketing tool that you buy or use, you will not win. You might catch a small corner of their market for a while, but trust me from experience, they will grab it back with a vengeance if they think that they are losing money to your advertising.
If you are sending them money, or customers, then they will usually allow you to stay in the marketplace as an affiliate.
In other words, unless you already have an established name or brand don't rock the boat, or you will might suffer a Tsunami. Be satisfied with what you get and try to get more everyday, unless you have something new and unusual.
Build upon what you know and learn and set a solid foundation with these. You can not go wrong.
I am not trying to dissuade anyone from entrepreneurship. I am only trying to let you all know that to argue the virtues of one paid software product over another is almost like betting on what city in Libia is going to be controlled by the Regime or by the Opposition Forces, on a given day.
I have KE, MNF, and MS, on my computer and to be very honest, I seldom use any of them.
They are okay for certain things but trust me I have much better results using other tactics. It may be due to my offline learning. I marketed for years offline with great success and learned a lot about the principles.
My simple point is that this debate can go on endlessly. My suggestion is for all of you to purchase all three, as I have, and compare them for yourself.
I can guarantee that you will never arrive at a consensus. And this is due to your specific needs, desires, wants, habits, and learning.
There will never be one program that will satisfy everyone, or even the majority, and if you find that program I want to find one that is better or different.
Keeping up with changes is what truly differentiates products and programs.
I have not found one yet that does this to my personal satisfaction, and I doubt that I ever will. Because everything changes with time, and daily, and monthly, searches are just like this.
If you are not relying on the current events for your sales, you do not need or require any of these paid keyword tools. Simple Fact.
Re: "Finally, someone with some sense. "
I sure wish you Practiced what you preach! Making sense is NOT YOUR forte.... you spew a lot of gibberish below..;}
Originally Posted by gregw2
I agree!!!
Finally, someone with some sense.
There are uses for the paid keyword tools and we can all argue about their virtues and defaults until the radiation debilitates us, but the free tools work just as good for the average marketer and for finding the best results in each particular search engine that you may be using.
It is common sense.
If you are targeting a market that is already owned, online and offline, by major corporations, then it doesn't matter what keyword tool, SEO tool, or newest marketing tool that you buy or use, you will not win. You might catch a small corner of their market for a while, but trust me from experience, they will grab it back with a vengeance if they think that they are losing money to your advertising.
If you are sending them money, or customers, then they will usually allow you to stay in the marketplace as an affiliate.
In other words, unless you already have an established name or brand don't rock the boat, or you will might suffer a Tsunami. Be satisfied with what you get and try to get more everyday, unless you have something new and unusual.
Build upon what you know and learn and set a solid foundation with these. You can not go wrong.
I am not trying to dissuade anyone from entrepreneurship. I am only trying to let you all know that to argue the virtues of one paid software product over another is almost like betting on what city in Libia is going to be controlled by the Regime or by the Opposition Forces, on a given day.
I have KE, MNF, and MS, on my computer and to be very honest, I seldom use any of them.
They are okay for certain things but trust me I have much better results using other tactics. It may be due to my offline learning. I marketed for years offline with great success and learned a lot about the principles.
My simple point is that this debate can go on endlessly. My suggestion is for all of you to purchase all three, as I have, and compare them for yourself.
I can guarantee that you will never arrive at a consensus. And this is due to your specific needs, desires, wants, habits, and learning.
There will never be one program that will satisfy everyone, or even the majority, and if you find that program I want to find one that is better or different.
Keeping up with changes is what truly differentiates products and programs.
I have not found one yet that does this to my personal satisfaction, and I doubt that I ever will. Because everything changes with time, and daily, and monthly, searches are just like this.
If you are not relying on the current events for your sales, you do not need or require any of these paid keyword tools. Simple Fact.
I want to tell you about my experience with Micro Niche Finder.
It just doesn't work.
The programmers have sent me update after update and none of them work. I spent $147 for this piece of junk. It seemed to work a couple of years ago, but not this year. It all seemed to fall apart when they updated the software. I went to support many times and finally I decided not to touch it anymore because it was degrading my pc and even causing it to freeze up so I would have to reboot. Support no longer contacts me.
Market Samurai is an awesome product! (And, no, I'm not an affiliate!) I have built a number of niche websites using MS, and it has been quite profitable for me.
I have bought Market Samurai last month. There is only word to describe the software and support: "Excellent" Why I say that is because the software literally gives the data I want to dominate my Niche market by spotting the best buyers keywords.
I have no comments about other keyword research software. Normally I do not use a keyword research software to do my keyword research before purchasing the software. But after downloading the trial version and using it for a day, I am convinced of the speed of gathering data. It is just in mere mins and secs. I am shock and amazed by this software.
The support they provide:Superb. When I have problems in using the software, they solve the problems straight away.
IMPORTANT: I know of a Niche Membership which is of Great Value. They do 98% work for you and you make 100% profit. The link is at my signature.
I've been thinking about getting Marketing Samurai... have one question after reading their website and this thread:
Hi Holly,
Does it have a module that enables you to find out what keywords your competition is targeting? (for example, like keywordspy does)?
There is free report in called the Niche Marketing Blackbook written by Noble Samurai Team. The report teach you how to use the Market Samurai to find profitable, buyers keywords with lesser competition so you can dominate your Niche Market.
Just sign up to their email list and you will get the short report.
Keyword Elite 2.0, coming VERY soon to a theater near you. You'll be hearing lots about it towards the end of the summer. 1 full year in the making :-)
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I have been a happy user of Keyword Elite for a couple of years but not any longer.
I have always used the PPC cost function in KE so i can see what keywords will give me the best adsense clicks.
It has always worked fine and then about a month ago this feature stopped working so i contacted the helpdesk who said it was being looked into and there would be an update soon.
I waited a month and still no update so i contacted them again and this is the reply i got
I'm sorry, but the Adwords Traffic Estimator is no longer functioning.
The programmer has not been able to fix it. We do apoligize for this
inconveinence. You can use the Adwords Traffic Estimator from within
your Google Adwords account after logging in there.
Jim
Software Support Team
So they are basically saying go use Adwords keyword tool instead and hard luck that you have bought software you can no longer use.
I personally now wouldnt recommmend anyone buying software that doesnt function as it should and cant be fixed
I have been a happy user of Keyword Elite for a couple of years but not any longer.
I have always used the PPC cost function in KE so i can see what keywords will give me the best adsense clicks.
It has always worked fine and then about a month ago this feature stopped working so i contacted the helpdesk who said it was being looked into and there would be an update soon.
I waited a month and still no update so i contacted them again and this is the reply i got
So they are basically saying go use Adwords keyword tool instead and hard luck that you have bought software you can no longer use.
I personally now wouldnt recommmend anyone buying software that doesnt function as it should and cant be fixed
I'm with spuds. I've been a user for over a year and now my expensive KWE 1.0 is about half of the product it was supposed to be. I got the identical email from support. In a nutshell: "tough luck"
Just used Market Samurai and does a great job for me. The ability to dig deeper into each niche and analyze others campaigns is awesome. Great tool to grow any online business and searching for new ones.
The answer most people are going to tell you is...drumroll please...
Whatever pays the most through an affiliate program! What's the hot and trendy and flavor of the month?
I downloaded Market Samurai and I think it's a good tool. I tried some the early -early versions so I know it's more evolved now. I own the Micronichefinder and know it works.
Market Samurai seems to have more bells and whistles, but is new and still has "growing pains" and the Micronicher Finder to me seems to be a more stable / mature platform. (That's my bias creepin in) If you aren't broke. Heck Use both. Microniche Finder videos and marketing/ sales page are so advanced that they can be explained to people that can barely operate a browser. The Samurai seems to be targeted at a slightly more advanced marketer. Those are my two cents.
Plus I want them back someday at 10% compounded interest over 30 years wired to a bank account.
Market Samurai is awesome, the amount of competitor information is superb its very easy to see what your up against. On saying that I also use micro niche finder and that keeps getting better and better, but MS comes out on top in my book...
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Programmers have told me "YES", but I'm not saying anything's official yet :-)
Brad
Brad, I was about to buy Market Samurai until reading this thread. Will the price be competitive with the introductory $97 offer of Market Samurai? Can you give me (us) any more insight to its features? Will it be worth the wait? Thanks for any input. Take care.
I have all three and have to say Market Samurai is my choice. Being able to do competition analysis and link analysis with your keyword research puts it over the top for me.
I have all three and have to say Market Samurai is my choice. Being able to do competition analysis and link analysis with your keyword research puts it over the top for me.
Hi, TShipp
I found this on Google...
"Keyword research is NOT all about the number of searches a keyword has and the number of competing sites for a specific keyword. The true key here is knowing the STRENGTH OF COMPETITION (SoC).
The Strengh of Competition includes several variables, mainly: PageRank, page reputation, site authority, incoming links, PageRank of incoming links, relevance of content and many others (over 200 variables according to Google).
Which is why MNF takes the win, it actually measures the Strength of Competition and it gives you an opinion:
Green Light: Go for it now.
Yellow Light: Hard but possible.
Red Light: Close to impossible.
"Keyword research is NOT all about the number of searches a keyword has and the number of competing sites for a specific keyword. The true key here is knowing the STRENGTH OF COMPETITION (SoC).
The Strengh of Competition includes several variables, mainly: PageRank, page reputation, site authority, incoming links, PageRank of incoming links, relevance of content and many others (over 200 variables according to Google).
Which is why MNF takes the win, it actually measures the Strength of Competition and it gives you an opinion:
Green Light: Go for it now.
Yellow Light: Hard but possible.
Red Light: Close to impossible.
MNF is the winner...?!
I own both MNF and Market Samurai. I use them both daily. With MNF it gives you the green light instantly but you get the same information with Market Samurai you just have to analyze your dater a little longer.
Market Samurai just released a feature the other day that lets you monitor your sites keyword rankins in Google, Yahoo, MSN, Youtube and some Web 2.0 properties. Very powerful stuff if you consider it Moniters the top 1000 results.
Should be an interesting Summer now that Keyword Elite 2 is coming out but Im loving this new Market Samurai feature.
I own KE and MNF and think the ease-of-use of MNF is an advantage although they are not as flexible on the source of search engine data as KE is. Now, I was just contemplating purchasing SEO Elite (SE) until someone referred me to Market Samurai.
I understand SE helps you do a detailed analysis of top 10 competition and what
their backlink sources are qualified by strength.
Can anyone tell me if Market Samurai accomplishes the same functions as
KE & SE combined? So, if I can get my site on page 2 or 3, does it help me
analyze or quantify what sort of backlink campaign it would take to crawl
my way up on page 1 rankings?
MS has done another upgrade - and all of them have been FREE for current users.
I can't vouch for their customer service as I've never had to use it! I've really never had a real problem with MS - reading this thread just made me realize that. I'm not a affiliate though I'm starting to think why not? I really love this software.
I haven't used MicroNiche so can't comment on that.
KE is better at creating 200+ keyword lists. So if you're doing PPC campaigns it is worth it for that alone.
MS is the best tool at finding how competitive a niche is IMO. Not only of those 3, but of all the tools and systems I've seen,
I like your comparitive analysis ... independent and succinct ...
Thanx !
Originally Posted by Jay Rhome
MS has done another upgrade - and all of them have been FREE for current users.
I can't vouch for their customer service as I've never had to use it! I've really never had a real problem with MS - reading this thread just made me realize that. I'm not a affiliate though I'm starting to think why not? I really love this software.
I haven't used MicroNiche so can't comment on that.
KE is better at creating 200+ keyword lists. So if you're doing PPC campaigns it is worth it for that alone.
MS is the best tool at finding how competitive a niche is IMO. Not only of those 3, but of all the tools and systems I've seen,
I tried all three of them. At first I liked Micro Niche Finder better because it could really find those micro niches over MS. However, I was just on MS website and they said that they were getting better at finding those micro niches.
However, I was just on MS website and they said that they were getting better at finding those micro niches.
So...THEY said that?
Come on! All product owners will say that their products are one of the best in the world
The point is...
If you can send a rocket to the moon by using this simple feature: E = mc2
Then, there is no need to use this complicated feature: E = (3mc3 - mc3)/2mc
I'd like to know which software is best for showing backlinks (to my site and competitors sites), and for distinguishing the do-follows from the no-follows. I have had the experience of links being changed from df to nf behind my back and I need a software package that will show EVERY link coming into my site and just exactly what sort of links they are. WHICH SOFTWARE IS BEST FOR THIS?
I'd like to know which software is best for showing backlinks (to my site and competitors sites), and for distinguishing the do-follows from the no-follows. I have had the experience of links being changed from df to nf behind my back and I need a software package that will show EVERY link coming into my site and just exactly what sort of links they are. WHICH SOFTWARE IS BEST FOR THIS?
None of these. These tools are "MAINLY" niche finders and keyword research tools, with a few minor SEO features thrown in.
I would suggest looking for an SEO Software product, rather than a keyword tool.
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I'd like to know which software is best for showing backlinks (to my site and competitors sites), and for distinguishing the do-follows from the no-follows. I have had the experience of links being changed from df to nf behind my back and I need a software package that will show EVERY link coming into my site and just exactly what sort of links they are. WHICH SOFTWARE IS BEST FOR THIS?
For your purpose, All you need is "SEO Elite" software (at www seoelite com).
I know it is good because I am using it..
Market Samurai for me, hands down. I love the interface and it just seems easier to use than MNF. The SEO competition module rocks. I couldn't live without that now.
I decided to purchase Keyword Elite a few years back when it was first released and I loved it back then, however the internet has evolved and the search engines have changed so quickly and now its a completely different ball game.
Yes Keyword Elite has updated itself along the way, but if you are looking for 1 piece of software to do literally all of your Keyword Research, SEO research and analysis and find articles etc. then Market Samurai is the king that comes out on top.
I have had Market Samurai for a few months now and I must say I have fallen in love with it. The user interface is aesthetically pleasing. There are many different modules all easily accessible on the left side of the software whenever you need them.
These include Rank Tracker (to see where your domains rank for different keywords on different search engines). There's Keyword Research, SEO Research, Find Content & Promotion modules available too, however the software is constantly being updated and there are other modules due for release in the future such as Adwords, Monetization etc.
Keyword Elite does not run on a Mac whereas Market Samurai does so thats a big point for Mac users and I know most people are switching or have already switched to Mac to run their internet businesses.
I really hate it when developers dont consider Mac users. Ive got both now a Windows and a Mac so Im longer bogged down checking if its Mac Compatible but jamies response tipped it for me and Im buying MS. Ive been trying to make this decision for months now.
Originally Posted by jamieludlow
I have both Keyword Elite and Market Samurai.
I decided to purchase Keyword Elite a few years back when it was first released and I loved it back then, however the internet has evolved and the search engines have changed so quickly and now its a completely different ball game.
Yes Keyword Elite has updated itself along the way, but if you are looking for 1 piece of software to do literally all of your Keyword Research, SEO research and analysis and find articles etc. then Market Samurai is the king that comes out on top.
I have had Market Samurai for a few months now and I must say I have fallen in love with it. The user interface is aesthetically pleasing. There are many different modules all easily accessible on the left side of the software whenever you need them.
These include Rank Tracker (to see where your domains rank for different keywords on different search engines). There's Keyword Research, SEO Research, Find Content & Promotion modules available too, however the software is constantly being updated and there are other modules due for release in the future such as Adwords, Monetization etc.
Keyword Elite does not run on a Mac whereas Market Samurai does so thats a big point for Mac users and I know most people are switching or have already switched to Mac to run their internet businesses.
I think MARKET SAMURAI can give better and more accurate results but the problem it is somehow expensive and wish it gets cheaper!
There were a few questions about price in this thread...
Market Samurai's keyword research tools are free.
They always have been free.
When you sign up for a trial, you get the keyword research tools for free - but you get time-limited trials to the other features (the Rank Tracker, the SEO Analysis tools, the Content Finder, the Promotion and Link Building tools, etc.
...
Jeremy - let me see if I can help you out..
Originally Posted by Jeremy123
why am I getting more keywords from googles keyword tool
than from ms
ms doesn't seem to find many long tail keywords,
maybe I'm using it wrong.
maybe it is better to import keywords from google's tool
Hrm... this doesn't sound right.
When you create a Market Samurai project, and go into the keyword research area, click the "Google Keyword Tool" and "SKTool" boxes...
Then, click "Generate Keywords"
This will generate a list of up to 2,000 keywords for you (from Google's Keyword Tool and their Search Based Keyword Tool... There's no need to visit these sites manually - Market Samurai does it for you)
The Google Keyword Tool keywords will be semantically related (good for themezoom-style)
The Google Search Based Keyword Tool keywords will be long-tail.
Originally Posted by Jeremy123
There is so much data I find it hard to choose keywords,
what should I base my choices on, there are many ways to look
at the data.
You're right - there's a lot of data that comes back.
Here's what I look at inside Market Samurai...
1. I want a High Traffic keyword - so I pick something that has an SEOT score of at least 80 (that's at least 80 hits per day from that keyword to the #1 site in Google)..
So I set an "SEOT" filter of 80.
2. I want a Low Competition keyword - so I pick keywords that have fewer than 100,000 competitors.
So I set an "SEOC" filter of 100,000.
3. I want traffic that is valuable, not worthless - so I pick keywords that have at least $10 worth of traffic per day. (That's why I set an SEOV filter of $10)
Originally Posted by Jeremy123
Hope MS comes out with a video explaining step by step how to create a content site using MS.
There are many already.
We have tutorial videos (although we're improving these right now);
We've released some specific videos on our blog;
The Thirty Day Challenge has lots of videos taking you through this process step-by-step. (This is a fantastic course - updated every year - and it's free)
I believe Niche Blueprint and Commission Blueprint (by Steve Clayton and Tim Godfrey) also does this. (I haven't done the course myself, but have seen some cool results coming out of it)
...
You're right - there's a lot of data that comes back.
Here's what I look at inside Market Samurai...
1. I want a High Traffic keyword - so I pick something that has an SEOT score of at least 80 (that's at least 80 hits per day from that keyword to the #1 site in Google)..
So I set an "SEOT" filter of 80.
2. I want a Low Competition keyword - so I pick keywords that have fewer than 100,000 competitors.
So I set an "SEOC" filter of 100,000.
3. I want traffic that is valuable, not worthless - so I pick keywords that have at least $10 worth of traffic per day. (That's why I set an SEOV filter of $10)
...
Brent
Brent,
What about Strenght of Competition (SOC)? Does MS provide SOC data, and is it easy to see/use?
When running your filters below, are you setting it for Broad, Phrase or Exact?
It's also nice to be able to change settings to give your local country stats too.
Great to see software with frequent updates/improvements.
Thanks,
Gary
Originally Posted by BrentHodgson
You're right - there's a lot of data that comes back.
Here's what I look at inside Market Samurai...
1. I want a High Traffic keyword - so I pick something that has an SEOT score of at least 80 (that's at least 80 hits per day from that keyword to the #1 site in Google)..
So I set an "SEOT" filter of 80.
2. I want a Low Competition keyword - so I pick keywords that have fewer than 100,000 competitors.
So I set an "SEOC" filter of 100,000.
3. I want traffic that is valuable, not worthless - so I pick keywords that have at least $10 worth of traffic per day. (That's why I set an SEOV filter of $10)
There are many already.
We have tutorial videos (although we're improving these right now);
We've released some specific videos on our blog;
The Thirty Day Challenge has lots of videos taking you through this process step-by-step. (This is a fantastic course - updated every year - and it's free)
I believe Niche Blueprint and Commission Blueprint (by Steve Clayton and Tim Godfrey) also does this. (I haven't done the course myself, but have seen some cool results coming out of it)
microniche finder is great. jamesjones is a great marketer.I purchased it years ago and recieve updates when he has improved anything.. he truly cares about his buyers and products. He periodically updates it and send you new ways to use the software. ie.. he created a template that was fill in the blank for an instant adsense site, free. he also gets back with new ideas.. along with videos showing how he is implementing it.
I cannot find any SEOC, SEOTC, SEOTCR, AWA, or OCI data since I have been using this program. Its a great app, but i feel like im spending alot more time analyzing than i should be with these columns blank and not working, regardless of my keyword. Is there an update coming or something that will address this?
I cannot find any SEOC, SEOTC, SEOTCR, AWA, or OCI data since I have been using this program. Its a great app, but i feel like im spending alot more time analyzing than i should be with these columns blank and not working, regardless of my keyword. Is there an update coming or something that will address this?
Have you watched the tutorials at Noble Samurai and at YouTube?
If these fields are blank, you're not analyzing the keywords. Watch the videos.
To those who purchased KE2, anyone went for the PPC Mindset upsell? What do you think of this video course? I don't enough about PPC to see if PPC Mindset is a good value. Your feedback will be appreciated.
I use market samurai for niche marketing. I have multiple niche online wordpress sites that collect opt ins and sell a clickbank ebook.
I add all my keywords to market samurai as projects, then add my domain names and the MS rank tracker tracks the rankings in Bing, yahoo, Google.
Rank tracker is the best feature of MS, you will find yourself checking your rankings every day, its addictive!
If you are keen on niche marketing, similar process as the 30 day challenge then click the link below. It will take you to niche profit classroom, the service I use to get my niche silent sales machines up and running.
I definitely have to put my vote in for Market Samurai.
It is the real deal and they've just released more modules, giving it even more killer functionality.
You owe it to yourself to at least test it during the current 40 day free trial.
I've been using Keyword Elite for some time now and it gets the job done. The thing about all these programs (in my humble opinion) is they are not 100% accurate. Use them with a grain of salt and don't let them replace your brain.
Seriously, go with Market Samurai: Support is fast and accurate, updates are frequent and if you sign up at the Thirty Day Challenge you will get a link for a 40 day trial of the software AND a huge discount (60$) if you buy within 7 days.
I own all 3, and use Market Samurai mostly. They have finally added their monetization module to it, which is kinda cool. Unfortunately, I'm not real great at using any of them, so I'm going to have to make time to really understand everything in Market Samurai to get full advantage. But like I said, I use it the most cause it seems somewhat easier for me to understand.
You download the trial and install it. Then when you start it there will be an upgrade button. You have to do it withing the first 7 days of the trial. Once you hit that button, you will go to the buy page and your email wil be filled in, then you will be taken ot paypal where the price should be $87. Failing that, you can just go to the website and hit products > sull version and at the bottom you will see a timer counting down. Hit that and enter your email to get to paypal for the 87$ price.
So there's the two ways. But if it gives you the full price, (and your within the 7 days), buy it and notify the Noble Samurai team, who will then refund you so you get your 87$ price. Hope that helps! Trust me it is worth full price.
Try it, it will work. As long as you're within the first 7 days of your trial. Alternately just buy it and they will hook you up with a refund to bring the price down. They are good like that.
I use MNF, and used to use keyword elite. I like MNF right now and have used it often - I like its simplicity, something KE lacked IMHO.
In saying that, KE2.0 is coming this week and I don't think Brad Callen is going to make a product that isn't substantially better than the other 2, so I am going to give it a whirl.
MS is a one time fee though they have talked about a sub once it is fully released. Again, if you get it while in beta it is aone time fee upgrades and new modules free 4 life. I went with MS and am very happy Idid so. Best value, and even works on Linux as well as Windows/Mac
Brent - thanks for the post helping Jeremy as I also found this problem with MS - your post really helped, as I'm taking the free trial, I'll try this out.
Great thread this was just what I was looking for - thanks guys!
Market Samurai more than exceeded my expectations.
For the person that asked whether or not MS calculates or shows SOC, does it ever. The SEO Competition module in MS is fantastic. The interface of that module is superior to any other interface I've seen that presents the same details. I use that module daily.
Some great discounts on KE out there and I considered it for about a minute, but I personally believe if you're going to own two keyword tools, they should be Micro Niche Finder and Market Samurai, and if you're only going to own one MS wins hands down.
MS really is a remarkable tool. The way you can quickly visualize how difficult (or easy) it would be to outrank your competition is probably my favorite part. Definitely my number one go-to tool for SEO.
Quick answer: Download the demo and find out. Long answer, it finds you content that you can repurpose (even let's you do it within the program) and then upload. Seriously, go check it out. I bought it (with a discount but I'd have paid the full price) and man am I ever happy I did! Cuts my work down to minutes.
Hi all,
I downloaded the free 40 day Market Samurai trial through the 30 day challenge website, and I really like this software. Being fairly new to IM and keywords tools I found the interface abit overwhelming, and the program does take a bit of getting used to, but well worth the time and effort..
I would love to buy it, and there seems to have been some promo codes to purchase it at $97, but it is currently at $149 (£120). Does anyone know if there are any discount codes?
Regards.
I have not tried keyword Elite yet but i am still using market samuri free for 40 days on the 30 days challenge course and i have to say it is a great tool to get the work done,
You might like to have a look at Market Samurai Resources and Reviews which gives lists of videos at Noble Sanurai's Tutorials and Blog plus other info and videos at other websites.
I haven't used Micro Niche Finder or KW Elite 2, but I did use KW Elite 1 for some time.
For me, I'd say that Market Samurai is the best of the three. Especially the fact that it runs on a mac, which I own, is a seller. KWE doesn't run on a mac so I cannot use on my main computer, I would have to go to a different machine and export to a shared drive. I do like some of the features listed in the new KWE, but MS works on my machine.
I'm not crazy about Adobe Air, but I can see it's use now!
All software built going forward from now on should always be built on Adobe AIR, be web based, or have both mac/windows versions. There are waaaayyyyy too many of us marketers who use mac that are left out in the cold on certain software. The time for one platform developing is way since past. Its a new day. All you developers need to get with the program and stop freezing us out.
Hey, I've trying to use MS for keyword research in Spanish, it works but only if you add the keywords manually, and that sucks if you are using the program TO get the keywords.
For example, (using Spanish as the language in the options)
I put "rapidshare", and gave me like 6 keywords. None on the really related to rapidshare.
So I added a keyword manually, and it gave me good the complete information. But, again, not always you have keywords to add.
I love Market Samurai but will now be using Keyword Blueprint which comes with Commission Blueprint 2.0 from now because I like it much better. Just my 2 cents.
My vote is for market samurai and with the free trial you can just try it and if you dont like it dont buy it. I find that with all tools you have to use them or ya it wont be worth your money.
I`ve never used anything else except Market Samurai. Works great so I don`t need anything additionally.
However, I wonder what the users of the new KE 2.0 can say, especially the ones who have tried MS too! (that JV miner tool looks pretty good - I wish MS would have a similar functionality soon )
yeah, that JV is a gold mine, worth the price tag alone.
I spent about 2 hours finding about 100 peeps, after checking their sites, emailed them all... in approx 3 1/2 days, i had 9 JV's... that was via one search term.
I thinks i'll have to outsource that work, cos its darn boring.
Originally Posted by Alex Williams
However, I wonder what the users of the new KE 2.0 can say, especially the ones who have tried MS too! (that JV miner tool looks pretty good - I wish MS would have a similar functionality soon )
Looks like The Samurai is the way to go. Initially, I was set on buying MS, then caught wind of KE2.0, so I delayed my purchase. It seems that most still favor MS even with KE2.0 on the market. I will soon be joining the ranks of the Samurai. Thanks.
One question that I do have regarding micro niche finder is it's green light indicator, SOC. I have Market Samurai and use it daily, but I've become interested in MNF because of John's xfactor course.
Does anyone have a benchmark indicator that can be used in MS to give the same feel as the SOC? I do use the seo competition tools in MS, but sometimes the data gives the wrong impression.
Hi Frank,
Haven't I met you somewhere before, oh yes I'm sure on the Steve Weber forum, how are you doing?
Anyhow, I have found this, take a look, i hope this answers your question.
Regards
Jeff.
Hi Frank,
Haven't I met you somewhere before, oh yes I'm sure on the Steve Weber forum, how are you doing?
Anyhow, I have found this, take a look, i hope this answers your question.
Regards
Jeff.
Jeff,
Your reference link to this MS Forum was a really good find. Just reading Brent's reply on a few posts filled in a much needed missing piece I've been tossing with for a couple of weeks and that's after using MS for quite some time.
You post, along with Brent's comment and this WF thread will be a good touch points for a few of my readers who are still on the fence as to which tool they should start with; MNF or MS. Since I'm a big fan of both, I usually tell them start with MNF, its a little easier to learn and get your feet wet with SEO SEM and then go uptown and get MS if you want to compete with the big dogs.
By using these 2 tools, I've gotten my fair share of SEM traffic for:
How to use Micro Niche Finder
Market Samurai Backlinks
Social Media Money Makers
and a few other longtail KW's by mirroring their SEO and SEM tactics.
I have Keyword Elite 2.0 and Market Samurai, both have a specific purpose for me. But if I had to pic between the two I would have to choose Market Samurai.
I also used MNF for a bit, and I agree with fraggler about MNF's SoC value being very misleading. And I have ranked for terms they say are impossible as well.
I give to vote to MS. Even I was newbie before, the support and videos tutorials plus TDC really help me to find low competition but high search on some IM niche. Really a great stuff keywords TOOL!
Hi,
I reinstalled Market Samurai this morning and received an Activation limit message. I emailed MS support at around 6.45am (uk time), and within 15 mins I received an email to reactivate my account.
Now that's what I call support.
Thanks MS.
I have used MNF for 1 1/2 years and found it is great on the initial niche availability. I take the results from MNF and plug into MS for more detail. You have to be a little more astute to use MS. Both programs can run on multiple computers.
I am currently looking at KE2. My initial impressions are the processing times are a little long . It appears it can only run on one computer. That being said Brad has added KE University which goes into detail on how to use in video format KE2. The case study from start to finish is great.
I am currently looking at KE2. My initial impressions are the processing times are a little long . It appears it can only run on one computer. That being said Brad has added KE University which goes into detail on how to use in video format KE2. The case study from start to finish is great.
Wayne
You sure? it's really fast my end.
more vids will be uploaded to ke uni when I've done a ppc case study with the various keyword tools available.
Neongreen, the "mystery module" has indeed been released in Market Samurai: it's a Rank Tracker tool, enabling you to track your rankings for any keyword you wish (for any number of keywords), & for any domain or url, so you can even track other pages' rankings alongside your own.
It is superb, can track your rankings in Google, Yahoo and Bing (previously MSN), right down to 1000th position, in any one of 234 regions.
It tells you what your current ranking position is every time you update the figures using the tool, and shows you a graph of how you've gone up or down since you started using the rank tracker. It's brilliant.
ArtfulWebsites: you can sign up to the 30 day challenge here: Thirty Day Challenge and yes, you can get a further $10 off by buying before midnight Thursday 10th Sept (US Pacific time), by using the link and discount code in the thread that James links to above.
For anyone reading this who has missed that deadline, remember that you can still currently get Market Samurai for $97 if you buy it within the first 7 days of your free trial; that's only $10 more than the discount you get using the special THANKYOU30DC link and discount code that runs out Thursday midnight.
This is a great thread. Thanks for all the input, you're helped me make my decision.
It looks to me like M.S. is the way to go. I signed up for the free trial and got the offer in my email to buy for $87, but as a previous post says, this offer does end at Midnight Sept 10, so if you're thinking about getting it, I guess now is the time.
Ok I just pulled the trigger on Market Samurai for $87 before the midnight deadline and I'm glad I did. A friend showed me some of the features of this software and it's looks like it will be all I need.
I have been using Market Samurai since last year's 30 day challenge and I love it. It is interesting to note that Ed Dale and Dan Raine are not the only gurus who use/promote it. Michelle MacPherson also does and I was just looking the new StomperNet site and they do to.
I have all the three but but I think Micro Niche Finder is the best software.
It is the easiest of the three to use and generates a handful of long tail micro niche keywords in seconds and the research is pretty easy.
In Keyword Elite, if you are not aware of how to use the tool, you are going to go nuts using it.
I would never prefer Market Samurai.
Hi,
I have been using MS for the last few weeks and it's great piece of software, however, for keyword research I still find MNF quicker and easier. I think the two programmes complement each other, as MS has got some great features.
Regards.
Im having a MAJOR problem here with Market Samurai and i hope someone can give me a good answer to the issue.
I just put my keywords that ive researched in Market Samurai that were SUPPOSEDLY getting no less than 200 searches a day and did seo, articles, etc, on these keywords.
Now, ive gone and put these same kewyords up in googles keyword tool:
and im seeing the same words that I was getting at least 200 searches a day, turns out to be 200 searches a MONTH in the google tool. This data discrepancy is extremely disconcerting to say the least, has me wasting time and money, and id like to know just who am I now to rely on when it comes to search volume for a particular keyword? Market Samurai or Google?
Im believing the Google tool is the one thats giving me the right data since I rank number 2 out of 5,000,000 for one of my keywords, and im only getting like 1 visitor a day to my site. What the hell man?
Sometimes Market Samurai and Micro Niche Finder give wrong results when determining the size of competing pages. There is nothing to do here, however i rely more on Micro Niche Finder than on Market Samurai.
I'm going to stick put my 2 cents in. Market Samurai all the way.
Because:
No monthly fee.
Great training videos - via the 30 day challenge
Great one time price (I got a 42% discount)
I can install MS on my pc and my laptop under one license.
I've read really good things about both MS and MNF. I don't think that you can go wrong with either software you'll still end up at your destination. Kind of like saying "Which is vehicle better the Lexus or the BMW? You'll still get from point A to point B but it depends on your personal preference".
Personally, I like Keyword Elite 2.0 which I own and use exclusively. I haven't had the honor of using the other two programs, but I must say that the newly released Keyword Elite 2.0 is something to behold...
Personally, I like Keyword Elite 2.0 which I own and use exclusively. I haven't had the honor of using the other two programs, but I must say that the newly released Keyword Elite 2.0 is something to behold...
Ben
Where keyword elite shines is in it's ability to dig deep and provide 1,000's of keywords. Can be very useful for PPC testing.
I have two questions, firstly how accurate are the results in terms of the actual amount of links and the anchor text?
When I do my backlin research I use everything possible, yahoo, google, msn, backlinkwatch, I find I sometimes will find links on msn that weren on the others and vice versa, how accurate is this?
Also I am only really interested in information about the other sites in my niche's links and anchor text, is this the best option for that kind of research of is there something cheaper that will give me exactly what I need?or is there something else?
Well, I was a MS purist for some time and I've started to use MNF with MS and I find it to be a winning combination! Yes they do come up with similar keywords but I find MNF is great for fast overview of a niche, and (HINT,HINT), I love the brainstorm button!
But MS is superior when it comes to hard analysis of the keywords with actual competition facts and figures.
So, I find that I use them both together. I wish MNF had the ability to use proxies like MS to quickly pull up stats on keywords, but I guess you get what you get!
I believe you have to take different Approach - what are you looking to do?
MS is good for Search engine ranking - natural, but the competition is detailed and in depth
MNF is fast and takes a simple approach (grwta if you are looking to do many small niche sites.
Keyword elite - is power is you are running PPC
But the whole picture is they are "Guides" - and can be wholly inacurate- people see to process them as "this is down to the letter- written in blood numbers" - sorry its not that simple.........
I guess it depends on your budget and how much time you wanna spend researching your niche.
Micro Niche Finder is quick and less expensive.
Market Samurai has more features, which means more time to do your research.
I don't own Keyword Elite, But I did try a 14 day trial version of Keyword Elite 2.0.
I just didn't have enough time to try all its features, 14 days went by fast.
But, I like to buy it in a near future.
I use MNF and I love it. It gives you the green light for keywords with low competition and I have been able to be on the front page page of Google within hours of publishing my campaign. I have been able to find great micro niches and been able to dominate it. I tired Keyword elite, it was not my favorite. MNF helps me find affilate products, amazon products and ezine articles related to a certain keyword.
I have not tried Market Samurai but so far I love MNF. Is it MS a monthly subscription?
No, there's no monthly subscription as yet. Market Samurai is currently a one-off purchase of $147 if you take the full trial period; however you can get it for $97 if you purchase within the first 7 days of your trial.
This is superb value. It's likely to move towards a subscription in the future, so the time to buy is now
I've used all 3 keyword tools and if you are on the fence on deciding which tool is best -- well it really depends on what your main objective is. I would say MNF is the easiest, less complicated tool for finding low competition keywords.
Market Samurai really excels in digging down further and looking at the SEO competition (checking on PR strength, Page backlinks, age of domain, etc) -- although this can all be done for free with extension like SEO Quake.
I think the best feature of Keyword Elite is the "Adwords Site Targeter" function.
Traffic Travis is another good option for SEO competition analysis.
Has anyone else had a problem with Market Samurai pulling what seems like questionable data? For example, I was researching a particular keyword phrase and the SEOC was approx. 3600, which was shockingly low. I was ready to put down 3k on a domain to target these keywords as it looked like an extremely promising niche. The next day the SEOC was at 3.5mm making it a very competitive keyword phrase. Possibly I did something wrong though.
I have MS and love it. BUT it is missing two important points, and I do hope the developers are listening (one has been mentioned by another poster).
1. There is no way to compares SOC's quickly. I mean when you are looking at 100's of keywords, you have to click on them, create tabs, go over to those tabs, run other reports.... yakkks
MNF gives you a pretty decent SOC in-line for all keywords. Granted, you have to do more research, but it is a great start. MS does give you allintitle results in-line, but that is not as good as MNF's SOC (I LOVE allinanchor as an indicator, and MS misses that one TOTALLY).
2. Competitive Analysis - I think factors like allinanchor are very important. Seeing pure number of incoming links to a page is not enough. You have to have a column for allinanchor (for the specific target phrase).
My grip #1 is forcing me now to buy MNF. Market Sam, are you around??
I'm using the trial version of Keyword Elite. I'm personally having problems. The program freezes quite often, it shuts down on its own, and at times I find that it doesn't up data for highly searched terms.
But saying this I am using the trial version, which could be a beta version that Brad has released to people who purchased Google Sniper. Anyways, when it does work, I am impressed, but that feeling doesn't occur as often as I had hoped. Maybe the full version is different. If anyone is having similar problems with the trial version, let me know, at least I'll know its not a problem on my end.
I'm using the trial version of Keyword Elite. I'm personally having problems. The program freezes quite often, it shuts down on its own, and at times I find that it doesn't up data for highly searched terms.
But saying this I am using the trial version, which could be a beta version that Brad has released to people who purchased Google Sniper. Anyways, when it does work, I am impressed, but that feeling doesn't occur as often as I had hoped. Maybe the full version is different. If anyone is having similar problems with the trial version, let me know, at least I'll know its not a problem on my end.
Please pm me directly. NONE of that should be happening, obviously. Whatever is causing this on your PC can be fixed fast, but I need to know it's happening. Can you please pm me with details?
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Please pm me directly. NONE of that should be happening, obviously. Whatever is causing this on your PC can be fixed fast, but I need to know it's happening. Can you please pm me with details?
Thank you.
I had the full version of KE2 and it froze up with me and the computer as well
several times. Everything the support team suggested over 6 days of trying didn't work and I think they were only too happy to tell me how to get a refund
They have a mis-conception that most faults are caused by a virus checker
or firewall but in my experience removing the VC and firewall made no difference
whatsoever
Its a pity becasue KE2 looks good but I'll be sticking to Market Sumarai
problem is, files get corrupted by these viruses... I'd bet ya if you did a clean install of your OS, it would work
Originally Posted by weeburty
I had the full version of KE2 and it froze up with me and the computer as well
several times. Everything the support team suggested over 6 days of trying didn't work and I think they were only too happy to tell me how to get a refund
They have a mis-conception that most faults are caused by a virus checker
or firewall but in my experience removing the VC and firewall made no difference
whatsoever
Its a pity becasue KE2 looks good but I'll be sticking to Market Sumarai
I had the full version of KE2 and it froze up with me and the computer as well
several times. Everything the support team suggested over 6 days of trying didn't work and I think they were only too happy to tell me how to get a refund
They have a mis-conception that most faults are caused by a virus checker
or firewall but in my experience removing the VC and firewall made no difference
whatsoever
Its a pity becasue KE2 looks good but I'll be sticking to Market Sumarai
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Wow, looks like everyone praising MS. Is it worth if you only have one website?
Personally, I have all of the above tools and I just wish I'd found MS before the other two.
I would say it depends on how big your website is. If you have 1 small website then I would say it's no going to be worth it but if you are developing niche websites on a regular basis then it's a fantastic all round tool.
I use Market Samurai to research keyword competition for every post, article, or satellite blog I want to create. You just can't go wrong with this tool.
Here's my take on the three. Market Samurai although good doesn't really find those long tail keywords as well as KE2 and MNF.
For keyword research I'm personally finding MNF a lot easier to use, and it's finding me some real gems. But saying this I would still keep KE2. The reason why is that you can double check competiton strength, and by quickly inputting a certain keyword in to KE2 you can look more closely at the competition, i.e backlinks, PR etc. Personally, i think if you can get both then do so because they compliment each other.
We do send out a good amount of analysis reports to our pre-customers. The SEO competition is something that always blows them away. Also it give you something what we refer to as the SpPA (Strategic Penetration Point Analysis). The video support is awesome!
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I need to say that any of those are very different, so its very difficult to compare.
KE II (imho) has its priority on adwords, and it has all those additional modules which might be helpful.
MS is very powerful, but its a little weak when it comes to brainstorming and finding long tails.
And with MNF i never got over the fact that it doesnt automatically fetch competition or OCI.
My favorite atm is MS. I agree with a poster above, the SEOC is (IMHO) the most important factor and just looking at search volume and SEOC can be incredible profitable in terms of rankings.
I dont care for CPC anymore, neither do i do a lot with adsense, so i personally dont have a use for any of the other tools which are more adwords focused with CPC values etc.
MS is very good for my uses - but i personally would like some features. For example, i dream about a KW tool where you can enter a custom formula for a KEI, a formula which would also weigh PR.
There are some hyper-interesting articles online about calculating a KEI. Example...it is a difference whether i try to rank a phrase for my own, new site - or on ezine articles. On my own site i might never be able to rank for "insurance" - but using a ezine article it MIGHT be worth a try.
Such factors need to be taken into account - SEO/ranking is NOT always the same.
That being said..i think i might post this on the MS forum.
I have personally used micro niche finder. I have never had a chance to use the other 2 although I heard about them. For me, I found that micro Niche wasnt really that necessary. I think that the google keywords tool is a good enough of a tool to use.
I use to think that way untill MS. google keywords tool is like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Once you get MS and compare it to the best keyword tools it is like bringing a desert eagle, contender or shotgun to a knife fight. Of course we like all other people have them ... opinions that is.
I'm using MS for now but I have noticed some inaccuracy in AWA - Adwords Advertisers. I do realize there are a number of Ggl search engine data centers that make up some of these discrepancies, however, I have checked over and over and think this column is unreliable. It will say zero advertisers for a keyword- go to Ggl search and I see like 8 advertisers, sometimes another amount.
Unless I'm doing s.t. wrong, I always check this data for sure, which defeats some of the purpose of making quick decisions. It makes me think if this column data is unreliable, what other data is?
I tried out Market Samurai, loved it, bought it. Works natively on Mac which is so important for me. No recurring monthly. SEO competition analysis is just amazing.
My only complaints are that it takes up a lot of memory and the keyword research is not the best. I think Keyword Elite might be better for long tail. Samurai doesn't find those long tails that amazing. Some of the stats are clearly off and it's not great for PPC. But when it comes to SEO, Samurai is the best.
Can't speak to MNF, but it doesn't work natively on mac, neither does KE. Parallels drains my system so it's not efficient. Just my 2 cents...
The best tool is the one that you can work fastest with and solves YOUR particular needs. Consider that if you don't understand the reason and method behind proper niche and keyword research, the "best" tool is useless. There was a huge debate when Bruce Lee unveiled JKD. All this talk over which style was best. When in fact the main point was survival. That was the point, the root. The styles were like different branches on a tree. Pick one, master it and you'd be fine.
Same thing here. When you understand how to pick a niche, find profitable keywords, you can use ANY tool. It comes down to what tool fits best into your work flow. I've used KE2 and seen MNF and have MS. And for me, MS does the trick. It is pointless to argue over tools. We're all trying to get to the same place, and we all use different techniques. The result is the same.
If you mean the keyword research module, it is free once the trial period is over and it is free forever.
If you're talking about the full program there is no way to get it free and to even ask such a thing disrespects not only the creators of Market Samurai but those of us that have paid for it and use it.
So...
I think most people who've used MS would agree that it has the broadest feature set in KW research of any KW tool. But Im concerned this will eventually become its' weakness. What MS has in breadth, it lacks in depth.
It'ss already a memory hog and in some functions, it is very slow. The MS folks seem to want to add more modules without enhancing existing ones. For example, it was silly to add 'Finding Content' and 'Publish Content" modules. These are only peripherally relates to SEO and KW research, and should be a separate tool.
Making MS so big, with so many different functions, only prevents them from adding more power to existing modules. I'd like to see more power in the ability to find good long tails rather than simply having new applications.
I think most people who've used MS would agree that it has the broadest feature set in KW research of any KW tool. But Im concerned this will eventually become its' weakness. What MS has in breadth, it lacks in depth.
It'ss already a memory hog and in some functions, it is very slow. The MS folks seem to want to add more modules without enhancing existing ones. For example, it was silly to add 'Finding Content' and 'Publish Content" modules. These are only peripherally relates to SEO and KW research, and should be a separate tool.
Making MS so big, with so many different functions, only prevents them from adding more power to existing modules. I'd like to see more power in the ability to find good long tails rather than simply having new applications.
I totally agree with your sentiments. I would very much like your reactions to these suggestions "Boadicea" if you are still tracking this thread.
I have market samurai and I love it for my niche sites. I love the keyword tool and to be able to see the the seo competition stats. I like this software and use it alot.
Just had a chance to jump back into the forums, and saw this thread.
I'm glad that a lot of people are enjoying using Market Samurai
Johncpu - you raised some good concerns that I wanted to address briefly...
Originally Posted by Johncpu
It'ss already a memory hog and in some functions, it is very slow. The MS folks seem to want to add more modules without enhancing existing ones. For example, it was silly to add 'Finding Content' and 'Publish Content" modules. These are only peripherally relates to SEO and KW research, and should be a separate tool.
I see your point here - but let me rebut some of this briefly.
Firstly - Market Samurai was never designed as a keyword research tool.
Instead, it was designed as a workflow tool - the tool that you opened every day for internet marketing - because the key tools you needed were all in one streamlined workflow so that you didn't waste time switching between tools.
It was an experiment - something different, that no other tool was doing - and it seems to have worked. But I think there are benefits to splitting the tool up into 8 pieces of software too.
Re: the "Find Content" and "Publish Content" modules - these aren't recent additions - the buttons etc were all a part of Market Samurai from Day 1. We made a commitment that they'd be released, and we released them.
Re: Enhancements - There have been a LOT of enhancements released since we launched. It seems that every week, there's bug-fixes, new features, speed enhancements, improvements to the tools or something else being released.
And, with the Adobe AIR 2.0 release coming up, it looks like the memory limitations will be removed, and Adobe AIR will run a lot faster.
Originally Posted by Johncpu
Making MS so big, with so many different functions, only prevents them from adding more power to existing modules.
No way!
We've constantly been adding more power to existing modules since we launched.
Originally Posted by Johncpu
I'd like to see more power in the ability to find good long tails rather than simply having new applications.
The issue that we keep coming across is finding long tail keywords that are still valuable.
There are a lot of keyword sources available - but you find that if you import them into Market Samurai and filter out all of the "junk" keywords - in many cases you're left with just the same keyword set as if you just used Market Samurai's existing tools in the first place.
We added more long tail analysis a while back with the addition of a 2nd source of keywords a little while ago - and we're constantly experimenting with other sources that we can integrate into Market Samurai.
If you can help us with this - or if there's other specific features that you want to see - get in touch with us.
Many of the good ideas implemented into Market Samurai come from users - and we pay especially close attention to user feedback.
Anyway - I hope this has helped you in some way.
Thank-you for speaking up. We get a lot of good feedback - but unless we get criticism, we'll never know what we need to fix - so I really appreciated reading your post.
I own both MS and MNF and am using both on a daily basis for kw and niche research. there is a wso with some great niche research videos on using just these tools (sorry - not more helpful w/ the link).
anyway - MNF gets me kicked out of google everytime I use it so I had purchase a proxy service. It doesn't have proxy functions. Otherwise, I absolutely love it.
MS - is a little better at finding the long-tail kw's and doing some broader searches. And, of course, has all of the other bells and whistles already mentioned.
I had the KE2 trial and it was fine but prefer to stick with the above 2.
I've been usiing micro niche finder for awhile now,and it just keeps getting better and better. Each update adds something else that just increases how well it works.
I've only ever used Micro Niche Finder and have been very satisfied. Must say though that I'm impressed by the very positive feedback for Market Samurai.
Brent - thanks for responding. I appreciate the comments, and let me respond with my own:
Regarding enhancements - I don't recall any big performance improvements. Seems that most updates have been bug fixes(not a bad thing !). In fact the recent loss of the AWA column was disappointing, but I understand that was a google issue and not an MS fault.
Regarding long-tail KW - I spend a lot of time manually adding phrase variations like singular to plural forms, changing phrases etc, that MS should be doing for me. Hopefully this function can be strengthened.
I don't want this post to sound negative. MS is a great tool. I just hope that improvements are made in existing features rather than simply adding modules. I've tried to post critiques and challenges on the MS blog, but they never get published (not surprisingly), So I'll add a couple suggestions/requests here.
1) MS needs a faster engine. The analysis speed is fine, but I can watch the second hand on my watch when I do things like move between KW tabs or pull up an existing KW file. The slowness is painful.
2) You must add more ability to manipulate the data. Simple things like combining KW tabs, or moving phrases between tabs would be a start. The only way to do that now is to dump it into a spreadsheet. But there are several steps that MS could do before that last dump.
3) Get rid of OCI. This just slows down the tool, and is a completely inaccurate and bogus measurement. And for MNF users, sorry, but this is true for your tool too. If the MS or MNF folks decide to discuss where this comes from and how it is calculated, I think most will agree with me on that.
Again, MS is an excellent tool. And despite the critique, I'd recommend it to anyone.
The winner, after buying and using 7 KW tools for my businesses, is Micro Niche Finder, hands down.
Not only does it kick out quick results, but it shows you lists of affiliate products that go with each long-tail keyword; lists articles that use the KW terms, suggests keywords, brainstorms keywords, and much more.
What is also a tremendous help for me in my business is that I can sit employees in front of the computer, and teach them how to pull stable and meaningful results out of the tool within five minutes.
Not many KW tools are that easy to learn, easy to teach, easy to use, AND keep my customers always coming back to me for repeat business. Why? They get click-throughs based on the keywords generated by MNF, and people buy their products.
It's like Travis Sego would say, "Find a hungry crowd and give 'em what they want." When I use MNF I get the results fast, and the *counts* and *green light* guarantee that my clients are going to make money off the articles I write for them. Period.
I also like the fact that new enhancements are continually being added, and I don't have to pay a yearly upgrade fee.
thank's a lot. i don't know how to used of them. if any review about xrumer.
Xrumer is for posting forum spam. If you're a serious marketer, you'll stay far away from anything like that. My advice is get the trials of Keyword Elite 2, Market Samurai and buy Micro Niche Finder. Use all three LEARN the process of spotting a good niche and then keep the one you feel fits best with your workflow. And take your business seriously. Shortcuts like xrumer will not serve you in the long run. Tools that let you research and publish good quality content that fills a need, will.
I am looking at Market Samurai but so far I like the simplicity of Micro Niche Finder. It is very useful for finding low competition keyword domains for site building. In particular, I like the SOC (Strength Of Competition) and MOB (Measure Of Backlinks) features. This is really useful for Amazon product sites. For example using MNF I was able to find a few excellent niches in the automotive parts section of Amazon and have made quite a few sales this last month alone.
i would say that they each have thier place in a well thought out keyword brainstorming session. but i would not favour ANY of the search results over the other they all need further invetigation to get the correct or acurate data on search volume that you are looking for... hope this helps
MS is a stunning tool and as in an earlier comment you should go to MS and make sure you go through all the training videos as the thing does a huge amount of jobs.
The one thing I would like it to do is to give a 'difficulty rating' when comparing top ten websites for a given keyword. There is a lot of info to decipher.
Traffic Travis (yae I know - not one of your requested comparisons!) has 5 star rating system that gives you a kinda 'go - no go' for attacking the niche keyword. So I always go over to Traffic Travis to do this as a final check before deciding on a niche.
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I've used Micro Niche Finder and found that it's a great product. I haven't tried Market samurai or Keyword Elite, but it sounds like I'll need to try Market Samurai.
I have been using Market Samurai for about 3 months now and it seems to be a great tool I also use Adwords External as it seems to give some nice keywords too.
I don't own KE so I can't offer any opinion on that product. But as for a MNF and MS comparison, I own and use both.
To me, it's not as easy as saying one is better than the other because it would be like comparing a spanner wrench to a socket wrench. Both are wrenches, both work great for tightening and loosening things, but neither does all jobs. Perhaps not the best analogy so I'll try to elaborate.
MNF works best (in my opinion) in the initial phase of keyword research; the brainstorming, finding new niches, etc. It really helps me in the creative phase of the keyword finding process and quickly zeroing in on a viable market.
Once I've identified the market and some great keywords, I then transfer my MNF findings over to MS for confirmation and further analysis.
If I had to choose only one, right now I couldn't do it because MNF is ideal for my phase 1 research and MS is ideal for my phase 2.
However, if someone is a complete newbie, MS may be the better choice solely because of their exceptional training videos. Both are great products, but I find the MNF training resources are somewhat sparse and scattered and certainly not laid out in an A to Z format like the training in the MS dojo.
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I don't own KE so I can't offer any opinion on that product. But as for a MNF and MS comparison, I own and use both.
To me, it's not as easy as saying one is better than the other because it would be like comparing a spanner wrench to a socket wrench. Both are wrenches, both work great for tightening and loosening things, but neither does all jobs. Perhaps not the best analogy so I'll try to elaborate.
MNF works best (in my opinion) in the initial phase of keyword research; the brainstorming, finding new niches, etc. It really helps me in the creative phase of the keyword finding process and quickly zeroing in on a viable market.
Once I've identified the market and some great keywords, I then transfer my MNF findings over to MS for confirmation and further analysis.
If I had to choose only one, right now I couldn't do it because MNF is ideal for my phase 1 research and MS is ideal for my phase 2.
However, if someone is a complete newbie, MS may be the better choice solely because of their exceptional training videos. Both are great products, but I find the MNF training resources are somewhat sparse and scattered and certainly not laid out in an A to Z format like the training in the MS dojo.
Agree. I use the same approach. I also use the free version of Traffic Travis to quickly find the top 20 sites for a given key word phrase so that I can assess whether the top sites are strong authority sites. Just a little more insight..
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Originally Posted by CanuckWarrior
I don't own KE so I can't offer any opinion on that product. But as for a MNF and MS comparison, I own and use both.
To me, it's not as easy as saying one is better than the other because it would be like comparing a spanner wrench to a socket wrench. Both are wrenches, both work great for tightening and loosening things, but neither does all jobs. Perhaps not the best analogy so I'll try to elaborate.
MNF works best (in my opinion) in the initial phase of keyword research; the brainstorming, finding new niches, etc. It really helps me in the creative phase of the keyword finding process and quickly zeroing in on a viable market.
Once I've identified the market and some great keywords, I then transfer my MNF findings over to MS for confirmation and further analysis.
If I had to choose only one, right now I couldn't do it because MNF is ideal for my phase 1 research and MS is ideal for my phase 2.
However, if someone is a complete newbie, MS may be the better choice solely because of their exceptional training videos. Both are great products, but I find the MNF training resources are somewhat sparse and scattered and certainly not laid out in an A to Z format like the training in the MS dojo.
I have been marketing online for a while now and I have only really tried a few of the keyword research tools.
My favorite would have to Market Samurai but that comes with a pretty steep cost. If you're looking for a cheaper way out, i'd say Niche Research Commando cause its only like 27$.
But again, overall the Market Samurai is probably one of the best products out there when it comes to keyword research. And if you have the money, it's well worth it.
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This is a great thread and it addresses the exact question I came here to ask. Thanks Warriors!
Here is a question for you. I am using both MNF and MS to do my keyword analysis for a new niche I am planning to target, and I am getting different results in each tool. For some phrases, MNF is giving me the green light, but when I analyze those same phrases in MS, there are red boxes all over the place - tons of competing sites with lots and lots of backlinks. Who do I believe in this case?
This is a great thread and it addresses the exact question I came here to ask. Thanks Warriors!
Here is a question for you. I am using both MNF and MS to do my keyword analysis for a new niche I am planning to target, and I am getting different results in each tool. For some phrases, MNF is giving me the green light, but when I analyze those same phrases in MS, there are red boxes all over the place - tons of competing sites with lots and lots of backlinks. Who do I believe in this case?
Thanks!
BJ
I haven't had that happen very often but a few times I have seen the following:
Suppose you're getting an SOC of 40 in MNF for your keyword and then you check MS and find those 40 competing sites are all targeted, relevant sites with good backlinks, move on. But first double check manually by visiting the sites to see if they're just spam sites that will eventually get axed by Google anyway. If they are quality sites, unless you have the exact match .com for that keyword you'll need to put in a ton of effort to overtake them (if you even can).
But it also depends on your long term strategy. If you're building an authority site, go for it, it's another niche relevant page for your site.
Hope that helps. It's not always a black and white situation.
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I use MNF to get some competition info but back it up with Market Samurai. I lucked out and bought them both at the opening day prices so I saved a bundle!
Forgot to say in my last post to you (#266), try Tony's tip (#263) and see what the free version of Traffic Travis tells you regarding competition. Haven't tried it myself yet, so I'd be interested to hear what you find.
Just make sure you use a spam email address for the Traffic Travis trial or your inbox will be bursting at the seams with "thousands in bonus" pitches for guru launches of the day.
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Thanks for your valuable input on this. From your statement:
"Suppose you're getting an SOC of 40 in MNF for your keyword and then you check MS and find those 40 competing sites are all targeted, relevant sites with good backlinks, move on. But first double check manually by visiting the sites to see if they're just spam sites that will eventually get axed by Google anyway. "
It sounds to me like the SOC is really just a quantity, not a quality evaluation of the competition. At least MS gives you more info on backlinks, on-page factors, etc. to help evaluate the competition.
This is all good stuff to know. I am learning the strengths and the weaknesses of these tools, and it will help me in my research. I guess there is really no one magical tool that evaluates all the factors and gives you a go/no go decision on a keyword phrase.
I will take you advice and see what I find in Traffic Travis. I need more stuff to confuse me right now. ;^)
It sounds to me like the SOC is really just a quantity, not a quality evaluation of the competition. At least MS gives you more info on backlinks, on-page factors, etc. to help evaluate the competition.
This is all good stuff to know. I am learning the strengths and the weaknesses of these tools, and it will help me in my research. I guess there is really no one magical tool that evaluates all the factors and gives you a go/no go decision on a keyword phrase.
I will take you advice and see what I find in Traffic Travis. I need more stuff to confuse me right now. ;^)
Thanks so much for your help!!!
BJ
You're welcome BJ.
Btw, SOC is more than just a count, if you click on the number generated you'll find that number contains 3 factors: inanchor count, intitle count and inurl count which are certainly important for SEO. So it's still a very credible number, don't dismiss it.
MS just gives other helpful measure like Phrase to broad match ratio, etc.
So you're right, no one tool seems to do it all. I find MNF and MS work better together than on their own. I'm going to try out Tony's tip next time a conflict between the two arises, but don't get too bogged down in the analysis. You can get great results using either MNF or MS, so you don't absolutely need both to get started. In fact, you can get started with free tools, it just takes more time.
I think it's better to have imperfect keyword results with more sites/pages built than it is to spend all your time looking for the magic unicorn keyword and have no sites/pages built.
Once you start tracking your traffic, you'll find keywords people used that neither tool identified anyway. :-)
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Btw, SOC is more than just a count, if you click on the number generated you'll find that number contains 3 factors: inanchor count, intitle count and inurl count which are certainly important for SEO.
To me, this is one of the downsaides of MNF. The SOC seems to be simply a go/no go indicator. But I have no idea how that recommendation is made. MS gives much more information about the competition, and actually shows me the info so I can evaluate the data myself.
And as someone else pointed out, MNF has no free trial. But MS gives you a great KW tool for free, no time limit. Then if you want info about the competition etc, you can choose to buy.
To me, this is one of the downsaides of MNF. The SOC seems to be simply a go/no go indicator. But I have no idea how that recommendation is made. MS gives much more information about the competition, and actually shows me the info so I can evaluate the data myself.
And as someone else pointed out, MNF has no free trial. But MS gives you a great KW tool for free, no time limit. Then if you want info about the competition etc, you can choose to buy.
john
believe me, you dont want to rank against 10 15 year old PR6+ sites in Google. That SEO competition module is a must
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I used MS for keyword research. I found a good keyword, having only 30.000 competive sites. I set up the wordpress site.... but when I search in google I realize that the result is more than 30.000 pages, it's 3.000.000 pages. So getting to pos 1 in google wasn't that easy as I hoped for based on the MS data
Having said that, the numbers from MS might be based on a serach with quotes "".
I used MS for keyword research. I found a good keyword, having only 30.000 competive sites. I set up the wordpress site.... but when I search in google I realize that the result is more than 30.000 pages, it's 3.000.000 pages. So getting to pos 1 in google wasn't that easy as I hoped for based on the MS data
Having said that, the numbers from MS might be based on a serach with quotes "".
Yes, most of us base our keyword research results in "quotes". Looking for a <30k search results without quotes is almost impossible these days. There are some but hard diamonds to find.
Looking at the pr or sites at the front page of google is also a good way to spot a good keyword. Among other things, but these are quite enough to base my research on.
I used MNF until MS and TT came out. Now, I do a lot research using the Google Keyword tool and then run potential results through MS or TT to get an idea of the competition I'm facing for top spots.
I used MNF until MS and TT came out. Now, I do a lot research using the Google Keyword tool and then run potential results through MS or TT to get an idea of the competition I'm facing for top spots.
I do something similar. I can see a lot of potential in MS but I keep going back to GKT as I just find it a lot quicker to get the results I need as MS hogs the PC's resources like crazy, then I check the comp in TT. TT runs nice and quietly in the background compared to MS that brings my PC to a standstill.
I tired Keyword Elite for a free trial it was good, but I didn't buy it. After hearing a lot about ms in here I checked it out and I am using it for my free trial and I am going to buy this one for sure. If you do not have this tool get it. MS wins hands down.
Kind of makes me wonder what PCs some of you have. I mean mine is a 2.6 GHZ Acer, got it for around 600$ MS works great on it. And same with the HP laptop we've got. It even rocks on wifi.
Speaking of which. If you're at the public library you've probably got their open and unprotected network. If you've got a desktop at home (and are on a laptop obviously), there is a way to protect yourself: set up your own Virtual Private Network. Do a search for AnalogX Proxy and LogMeIn Hamachi. If anyone wants I'll do a quickie setup tutorial.
Once these two things are up and running, and you've made the necessary changes in Firefox or whatever, you're set and safe. You can also set MS to work with it as well.
Kind of makes me wonder what PCs some of you have. I mean mine is a 2.6 GHZ Acer, got it for around 600$ MS works great on it. And same with the HP laptop we've got. It even rocks on wifi.
Speaking of which. If you're at the public library you've probably got their open and unprotected network. If you've got a desktop at home (and are on a laptop obviously), there is a way to protect yourself: set up your own Virtual Private Network. Do a search for AnalogX Proxy and LogMeIn Hamachi. If anyone wants I'll do a quickie setup tutorial.
Once these two things are up and running, and you've made the necessary changes in Firefox or whatever, you're set and safe. You can also set MS to work with it as well.
My pc works quite well too with MS. No slow downs or anything that some are complaining about. A tip is to go and upgrade your pc ram. I have 3gb's of ram and that is good enough for MS to run fast. Though i'm still on vista but i think that 4gb will do well for win7.
Doesn't cost much ya know a ram. Go to your local pc retailer and upgrade your pc if you find it slow. Trust me. I upgraded my friends pc ram and it's lightning fast now.
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