MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!!

Totally agree.

market samurai blows MNF out of the water IMO

brilliant

tag2453, you *can* install Market Samurai on more than one computer - you can install it on *two* computers, and without an extra licence - how cool is that.

I recently started a website devoted to Market Samurai resources and reviews (see my sig for the link). Since you already use the software, you might like to check out my latest Market Samurai tips and also the list of Market Samurai videos in the post before that.

Laurian, I love Market Samurai. This software does so much more than you might already know. Much, much more than just research.

To check up some of the other things it can do for you, you can view the whole salesletter (there's a link to it on the right-hand side of my site) scroll down to about two thirds down the salespage, and you'll see a whole list of things that will surprise you.

You can install it on more than one cpu...I have it on my laptop and desktop

You can. You can install MS on 2 computers. If your having issues, go to the MS site and log in, manage your software via their support panel. Reset it. Then register up to 2 copies of MS.

Cisco

internetmarketer 99, the competition results (SEOC) in Market Samurai are taken straight from Google; they're the results of the phrase-match searches (made in quotes), so you need to do the comparison search as "your keyword" in quotes. Also, you want to make sure that you're using exactly the same settings in Market Samurai as you're using in Google.

Hey Ray,

I think the clock expired on this, but if you ping 30DC 2009 version, there "was" a 40% discount on Samurai.

As a 30 day challenger, you can now get Market Samurai for $87 instead of the regular price of $149. That's a discount of 42%. I can't believe the Noble Samurai boys are offering Market Samurai at this price but there it is...what can I do.

PS: I bought MNF (v4.2) 6 months ago ~ who wants it for 33% off?

It pulls from google external tool not wordtracker (which is a good thing to most people), so they would be different. Edit: actually results are 100% reliable against google external keyword tool.

This is a common concern.

The truth is, reliability isn't the real issue.

Market Samurai can only ever display the data that it finds (it's software - it just performs a simple process).

But unless you know the process it's using, you'll never get the same results if you try to duplicate them manually.

So although people often worry about Market Samurai being slightly different to the data they receive manually, it's usually because they're gathering the data in a slightly different way.

Let me show you what I mean...

Yes.

SEOBook's keyword suggestion tool uses Wordtracker's keyword suggestion tool. (So they *should* match each-other)

But Market Samurai will ALMOST NEVER match either of them. We do something that I think is much more accurate - we use Google's own data.

Wordtracker uses data from meta search engines - like Dogpile. Unfortunately, most people these days don't use meta search engines anymore - most people use Google data. So Wordtracker needs to scale-up its data to estimate how much traffic there might be on the larger search engines.

So if Dogpile has [say] 1% of the search market, and Google has 80%, and Dogpile is your source of data, you could assume that 80 days worth of Dogpile data is equal to 1 day of Google searches... But unfortunately, this isn't always the case.

For example, most internet marketers would use Google to search for products and services - not meta search engines... Likewise programmers, and other tech-savvy people. So the data gets skewed in some markets.

Market Samurai uses Google's own keyword traffic data to estimate traffic levels.

It sounds obvious - I know - but Market Samurai was the first keyword tool to do this.

When we're checking competition results, there are two things we check:

1. The number of competitors (the SEO Competitor counts that you see in the Keyword Research module), and;
2. The strength of competition (the SEO Competition Analysis module)

Let's look at both of these.

The SEO Competitor counts are based on phrase-matched results in Google.

So if your keyword is dog training (to pick a good internet marketing example ) then Market Samurai will do a Google search for "Dog Training" (in quotes) to find out how many web-sites are using that phrase.

It's a much more indicative measure of competition - because there's a big difference between "credit cards" and companies that make greeting "cards" that shop owners can buy on "credit"... Or "dog training" and a video store's web-site that stocks both "training" day and reservoir "dogs"

In that way, Market Samurai is counting the number of sites that at least mention the keyword phrase... Because it's the most basic thing a web-site can do if they want to compete for rankings on the keyword.

Now, SEO Competition Analysis...

This is the top 10 results in Google for a keyword, and their SEO factors.

This is affected by your project settings - so you'll get different results if you select "All Countries and Territories" to "Botswana" to "United States".

Or if you're comparing results that you search manually, to results that Market Samurai gathers for a specific region. (Because Google will automatically try to tailor results to where it sees you're from)

Or if you're logged into a Google account when you search (again, because Google will try to tailor results to where it sees you're from)

Or if you try doing a search in Internet Explorer, and then try again with Firefox or Safari or Chrome (because for some weird reason, Google shows different results to users of different browsers)

HOWEVER...

...what Market Samurai is getting is an average, typical top 10 competitor snapshot for the region that you have selected.

Google has 100's, perhaps 1,000's, or even 10,000's of servers all displaying search results (each with slightly different data) - and they want to tailor results to users.

But what Market Samurai does is uses a smart system for getting typical results from any region in the world, tailored to any language in the world.

So although Google might change its data in different circumstances, what you see in Market Samurai will be very similar to what searchers see (if they're coming from the region that you selected in Market Samurai)

I hope this helps you out.

Brent

Market Samurai does it all... practically. I've been using it for months and i still haven't used the advanced features. Each of the modules is like a seperate application unto itself. Kudos to the MS team for making such a vaulable product

Sorry I didn't get back to you both earlier - we had a holiday here in the UK.

Ray, the links are on the right hand side of my site. However, the promotion is open to anyone who signs up at the moment, so you can do it through Noble Samurai's own site if you prefer (they're the team behind Market Samurai): http://www.noblesamurai.com/products.php

I don't know how long the promo will last.

PLEASE NOTE: the info I previously put into this post was incorrect, & I have now corrected it.

curiousguy, could you please expand on that "trouble with google" problem you're having - what sort of trouble is it? Ie, what happens, and at what point does it happen?

@curiousguy, if you download MS right now (free), then I think there is a 7 day deadline for getting it at $97. After that it would be $147 or something.

I got it at $97. So far so good. As I said, I am not throwing away my KElite, and will use that to get thousands of keywords (proj 1) and then run that thru MS, and let MS take care of it from there.

I don't know what Boadicea offers besides that, but I am sure he will jump in.

Actually, you get the USB drive for free when you place your order. This may be a limited offer but last I checked it is given to you as a bonus. I just got mine in the mail.

Which one Steve - 1. or 2. ?

And did it help at all (what I wrote)?

Yes, vuedoolor, Market Samurai is definitely worth the buy.

1. You can get long tail keyphrases using the "Google Search Keywords" feature. You can view how to do that at this blog post:

Market Samurai Gets a Long Tail | Noble Samurai

2. It definitely measures the strength of the competition.

You can watch Noble Samurai's training videos and YouTube videos without signing up to Market Samurai, so I'd say if you like take a look. There's a long list of the videos here:

List of Market Samurai Videos | Market Samurai Resources and Reviews

I need to update the list but the ones you want are there.

Hope this helps?

Please can you let me know what it is that you've been doing just before you get that message curiousguy? It really depends on what you were trying to do.

It's been $97 for new subscribers since 19th May (and I think for some time before that), but only if you'd bought Market Samurai in the first 7 days of your trial. For the next 5 days of your trial it would have been $127 to buy, and after that it's the full price, ie $149. Those are the same figures I wrote in my May 20th post in this thread.

I see from an earlier post that you'd already taken up your trial on May 5th. So your 12-day trial period would have ended on or before May 17th, depending on what date you started the trial, which is why you're being asked to pay the normal price.

The normal price is $149 not $167 - I think you might have been reading this bit of the sales page: "free upgrade to our "Mystery Module" - (to be released in the next 4-6 weeks) - value $167"

To reiterate, the $97 offer is for people who buy within the first 7 days of their trial. It's an incentive to buy earlier rather than later.

I've been using Market Samurai now for 3 months and find it extremely useful. It is great for finding niche markets that have high search and low web presence. Well worth the investment. The other great thing is that the developers are always improving the product. Just about every time I load the software there is an upgrade waiting to be installed!

Regards
Mark Ames

If I could only keep one it would be MS. MS is such a comprehensive tool you can find niches with it if you know how to work it.

MS allows you to do more than just keyword research it goes much further ...

But if I was on a sinking ship and could only take one ... MS would be it.

after watching the videos i bought MNF only to be disappointed in the customer service, there is none. i emailed my questions several times and got no response.

the most trouble some feature is you can't toggle between searches. i end up saving alot of the same kw because i cant remember if i saved them or not.

i realize james is busy but i feel if you sell a product you should take care of your customers questions. if he is to busy hire someone.

Market Samurai is definitely my top choice. Easy to use, great for researching niche markets and constant upgrades make it worth every cent

Hi Everyone.

I just download the trial version of MS. I have KWE and I like it. But I guess a person can't have to many tools!

Oh, I think I saw during the trail you can get it for $89.00, If am not mistaking.

I thing that's what I saw.

But what I'm seeing, I like...

Thanks
Steven

I love Market Samurai with all of its features.
Bought at the discounted price of $87.
I like the fact that it is a once off purchase price and that the product gets updated on a regular basis

Waldo

If you want to be succesful with internet marketing get MS, it is an incredible tool.

However if you don't want to spend the cash you can always try traffic travis which is a poor man's copycat, but is still very useful.

Hello!

I own Market Samurai and Micro Niche Finder.

Micro Niche Finder offers a wonderful one-page display with easy red, yellow, and green indicators to summarize the keyword potential. Also, its creator, marketer James Jones, is generous, helpful and talented. The upgrades come frequently, and the Help Desk works very well. You'll never have buyer's remorse because of his efforts.

The one major drawback of Micro Niche FInder is it doesn't run off a proxy (or whatever I'm supposed to call it). That means that Google will block searches after way too short a period. Research is slow as a result, although James tries to fix the problem by allowing background search options.

Market Samurai offers a complete array of solid keyword bells and whistles plus wonderful new training videos. Ed Dale and his crew offer excellent support and upgrades. Market Samurai flies because of the upgrades, and it doesn't quit because it runs on a proxy.

Often the OCI competitive indicator is slow or quits in both of these programs. It wasn't built to withstand the onslaught of keyword searching that goes on daily. Maybe it doesn't matter: Adwords costs are probably a better competitive indicator anyway.

I'm happy to own them both plus others dedicated to specialized searches. Good luck!

Market Samurai is the last tool I will ever use for keyword research, back linking, and finding content. When I first tried Market Samurai I had tested out the unfinished beta version, and even then I was so amazed at how easy it made keyword research for me. Then after it was finished all the features that were added to my Market Samurai arsenal truly makes Market Samurai the best market research tool I have ever tried, and trust me I have tried many. Being as lazy as I am I always seem spend money on tools that claim they will make keyword research easier. In my opinion Market Samurai definitely over delivered.

Reviews by:
ivansreview

You simply can't go wrong with Market Samurai. It rules!


Mike

I'm Looking to get keyword Elite this week it seem like you guys talks about Market Samurai more, it's sound like that the product everyone need to be using..

Market Samurai all the way, well other two are also good every has it's own pros and cons.

Hi Folks,

I want to tell you about my experience with Micro Niche Finder.

It just doesn't work.

The programmers have sent me update after update and none of them work. I spent $147 for this piece of junk. It seemed to work a couple of years ago, but not this year. It all seemed to fall apart when they updated the software. I went to support many times and finally I decided not to touch it anymore because it was degrading my pc and even causing it to freeze up so I would have to reboot. Support no longer contacts me.

It is a piece of junk.

Do not buy it.

Buy Market Samurai. It rocks.

Market samurai is amazing.. All in one keyword tool..

There is free report in called the Niche Marketing Blackbook written by Noble Samurai Team. The report teach you how to use the Market Samurai to find profitable, buyers keywords with lesser competition so you can dominate your Niche Market.

Just sign up to their email list and you will get the short report.


Hope this helps.

Winson

Hi,
Do I need a NEW computer with powerful RAM and CPU capacities for using any one of these latest kw tools?

I have been a happy user of Keyword Elite for a couple of years but not any longer.

I have always used the PPC cost function in KE so i can see what keywords will give me the best adsense clicks.
It has always worked fine and then about a month ago this feature stopped working so i contacted the helpdesk who said it was being looked into and there would be an update soon.

I waited a month and still no update so i contacted them again and this is the reply i got

So they are basically saying go use Adwords keyword tool instead and hard luck that you have bought software you can no longer use.

I personally now wouldnt recommmend anyone buying software that doesnt function as it should and cant be fixed

The answer most people are going to tell you is...drumroll please...

Whatever pays the most through an affiliate program! What's the hot and trendy and flavor of the month?

I downloaded Market Samurai and I think it's a good tool. I tried some the early -early versions so I know it's more evolved now. I own the Micronichefinder and know it works.

Market Samurai seems to have more bells and whistles, but is new and still has "growing pains" and the Micronicher Finder to me seems to be a more stable / mature platform. (That's my bias creepin in) If you aren't broke. Heck Use both. Microniche Finder videos and marketing/ sales page are so advanced that they can be explained to people that can barely operate a browser. The Samurai seems to be targeted at a slightly more advanced marketer. Those are my two cents.

Plus I want them back someday at 10% compounded interest over 30 years wired to a bank account.

Can KEYWORD ELITE 2.0 do similar stuff like the MARKET NINJA and MACRO NICHE FINDER?

Hi, TShipp

I found this on Google...

"Keyword research is NOT all about the number of searches a keyword has and the number of competing sites for a specific keyword. The true key here is knowing the STRENGTH OF COMPETITION (SoC).

The Strengh of Competition includes several variables, mainly: PageRank, page reputation, site authority, incoming links, PageRank of incoming links, relevance of content and many others (over 200 variables according to Google).

Which is why MNF takes the win, it actually measures the Strength of Competition and it gives you an opinion:

Green Light: Go for it now.
Yellow Light: Hard but possible.
Red Light: Close to impossible.

MNF is the winner...?!

I like your comparitive analysis ... independent and succinct ...

Thanx !

So...THEY said that?
Come on! All product owners will say that their products are one of the best in the world

The point is...

If you can send a rocket to the moon by using this simple feature: E = mc2
Then, there is no need to use this complicated feature: E = (3mc3 - mc3)/2mc

Because they both yield the SAME result.

Simplicity is the key, man

Just my 2 cents

why am I getting more keywords from googles keyword tool
than from ms

ms doesn't seem to find many long tail keywords,
maybe I'm using it wrong.

maybe it is better to import keywords from google's tool

None of these. These tools are "MAINLY" niche finders and keyword research tools, with a few minor SEO features thrown in.

I would suggest looking for an SEO Software product, rather than a keyword tool.

Brad

For your purpose, All you need is "SEO Elite" software (at www seoelite com).
I know it is good because I am using it..

Hope this helps.

ebuyer123

I have seo elite as well for backlink checking.

update: I've decided to go with Keyword Elite.

I really hate it when developers dont consider Mac users. Ive got both now a Windows and a Mac so Im longer bogged down checking if its Mac Compatible but jamies response tipped it for me and Im buying MS. Ive been trying to make this decision for months now.

Brent,

What about Strenght of Competition (SOC)? Does MS provide SOC data, and is it easy to see/use?

Thanks.

Brent,

When running your filters below, are you setting it for Broad, Phrase or Exact?

It's also nice to be able to change settings to give your local country stats too.

Great to see software with frequent updates/improvements.

Thanks,

Gary

I cannot find any SEOC, SEOTC, SEOTCR, AWA, or OCI data since I have been using this program. Its a great app, but i feel like im spending alot more time analyzing than i should be with these columns blank and not working, regardless of my keyword. Is there an update coming or something that will address this?

I use MNF, and used to use keyword elite. I like MNF right now and have used it often - I like its simplicity, something KE lacked IMHO.

In saying that, KE2.0 is coming this week and I don't think Brad Callen is going to make a product that isn't substantially better than the other 2, so I am going to give it a whirl.

Is there a bonus list for this launch?

I used KE and MNF and Niche Inspector.

Niche Inspector was awesome but Market Samurai is THE tool.

I continue to use it daily.

Hi all,
I downloaded the free 40 day Market Samurai trial through the 30 day challenge website, and I really like this software. Being fairly new to IM and keywords tools I found the interface abit overwhelming, and the program does take a bit of getting used to, but well worth the time and effort..
I would love to buy it, and there seems to have been some promo codes to purchase it at $97, but it is currently at $149 (£120). Does anyone know if there are any discount codes?
Regards.

You might like to have a look at Market Samurai Resources and Reviews which gives lists of videos at Noble Sanurai's Tutorials and Blog plus other info and videos at other websites.

There really is a lot of info on Market Samurai.

Enjoy!

Joe

Hey, I've trying to use MS for keyword research in Spanish, it works but only if you add the keywords manually, and that sucks if you are using the program TO get the keywords.

For example, (using Spanish as the language in the options)
I put "rapidshare", and gave me like 6 keywords. None on the really related to rapidshare.
So I added a keyword manually, and it gave me good the complete information. But, again, not always you have keywords to add.

My vote is for market samurai and with the free trial you can just try it and if you dont like it dont buy it. I find that with all tools you have to use them or ya it wont be worth your money.

I was really undecided about MNF or MS but it looks like I will be taking the Market Samurai free trial.

guys thanks for all your feedback

I give to vote to MS. Even I was newbie before, the support and videos tutorials plus TDC really help me to find low competition but high search on some IM niche. Really a great stuff keywords TOOL!

Hello Folks;

I have used MNF for 1 1/2 years and found it is great on the initial niche availability. I take the results from MNF and plug into MS for more detail. You have to be a little more astute to use MS. Both programs can run on multiple computers.

I am currently looking at KE2. My initial impressions are the processing times are a little long . It appears it can only run on one computer. That being said Brad has added KE University which goes into detail on how to use in video format KE2. The case study from start to finish is great.


Wayne

Any idea what is the "mystery module"?

Has the "mystery module" been developed and updated in MS?

I got KE 2.O and am finding it difficult to use for seo.
It seems to be more for ppc.

I'll have to ask how to get the most out of it for seo.

I have no problem with MNF, just think of some keyword
ideas and mnf will tell you the search count, competition,
and strength of competiton.

Then just create content and get backlinks.

Sometimes Market Samurai and Micro Niche Finder give wrong results when determining the size of competing pages. There is nothing to do here, however i rely more on Micro Niche Finder than on Market Samurai.

Where keyword elite shines is in it's ability to dig deep and provide 1,000's of keywords. Can be very useful for PPC testing.

Frank

No, there's no monthly subscription as yet. Market Samurai is currently a one-off purchase of $147 if you take the full trial period; however you can get it for $97 if you purchase within the first 7 days of your trial.

This is superb value. It's likely to move towards a subscription in the future, so the time to buy is now

I've used all 3 keyword tools and if you are on the fence on deciding which tool is best -- well it really depends on what your main objective is. I would say MNF is the easiest, less complicated tool for finding low competition keywords.

Market Samurai really excels in digging down further and looking at the SEO competition (checking on PR strength, Page backlinks, age of domain, etc) -- although this can all be done for free with extension like SEO Quake.

I think the best feature of Keyword Elite is the "Adwords Site Targeter" function.

Traffic Travis is another good option for SEO competition analysis.

Please pm me directly. NONE of that should be happening, obviously. Whatever is causing this on your PC can be fixed fast, but I need to know it's happening. Can you please pm me with details?

Thank you.