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Is anyone familiar with or have experience with the empower network?
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  • Profile picture of the author eternalsongbird
    The Empower Network is an all in all blogging platforms that provides all members with a blog that increase online exposure to their business.
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    • Profile picture of the author crlsgrc
      I joined Empower Network about a week ago and I love it so far. Anybody that joins Empower Network has to at least start at the $25 a month level. At this level you get a blog and they do encourage you to post to it daily.

      They also have four other products that you can receive commissions The product prices are 25$ a month for the blog, the Inner Circle is 100 a month the Costa Rican Intensive is one time $500 and the 150000 k a month formula is $1000 one time. Buying these products allows you to receive 100% commissions on them. So if you sell the inner circle at $100 a month you get $100 a month commission as long as they stay a member. If you don't buy the product and someone buys it through your link you won't get the commission.

      IMO if you market Empower Network the way they tell you and you pick up all the products so you can receive commissions on them and apply what you've learned. I think it's impossible not to make a lot of money from Empower Network because of how good Empower Network is at selling. They're so good that I was thinking about selling my car to pick up the the products.

      And it's really not all about money and scamming they're very honest and upfront about everything. And they disclose all their stats so you can see what people are making and it's impressive.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
        Originally Posted by crlsgrc View Post

        I think it's impossible not to make a lot of money from Empower Network because of how good Empower Network is at selling.
        Actually, you won't make any money at all once they close down the program. And they will close their program or sell it to someone else some day.

        I wouldn't sell that car just yet.

        Edit: If you're new to internet marketing, be careful with all the replies in this thread. It appears everyone on Empower is making money! Does that sound normal? It doesn't to me. These responses are being posted to create curiosity in the hopes you'll send a Private Message to find out "how" they're doing it. They eventually respond with an affiliate link that earns them money and leaves you holding an empty bucket of hope.

        It's a tactic that is used to attract you into joining the Empower MLM program. And yes, Empower is an MLM program.
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        • Profile picture of the author figgity
          Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

          Actually, you won't make any money at all once they close down the program. And they will close their program or sell it to someone else some day.

          I wouldn't sell that car just yet.

          Edit: If you're new to internet marketing, be careful with all the replies in this thread. It appears everyone on Empower is making money! Does that sound normal? It doesn't to me. These responses are being posted to create curiosity in the hopes you'll send a Private Message to find out "how" they're doing it. They eventually respond with an affiliate link that earns them money and leaves you holding an empty bucket of hope.

          It's a tactic that is used to attract you into joining the Empower MLM program. And yes, Empower is an MLM program.
          Totally agree with you. That's exactly why I would stay away. I know people are saying it's not a ponzi scheme or MLM or a cult, but some of the e-mails I'm getting from people trying to recruit me sure make it seem that way.
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        • Profile picture of the author JimDoyle
          Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

          Actually, you won't make any money at all once they close down the program. And they will close their program or sell it to someone else some day.

          I wouldn't sell that car just yet.

          Edit: If you're new to internet marketing, be careful with all the replies in this thread. It appears everyone on Empower is making money! Does that sound normal? It doesn't to me. These responses are being posted to create curiosity in the hopes you'll send a Private Message to find out "how" they're doing it. They eventually respond with an affiliate link that earns them money and leaves you holding an empty bucket of hope.

          It's a tactic that is used to attract you into joining the Empower MLM program. And yes, Empower is an MLM program.
          Hello
          I was "all in" as they call it. But I found it next to impossible to sign anyone up under you because there are so many people flogging it.
          There are a lot of paid solos that refuse to have anything to do with it as their lists are sick of getting emails about it.
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        • Profile picture of the author mcocan
          Empower is NOT an MLM program it is direct sales and you earn 100% commissions as an affiliate. They have some of the best products on Internet marketing out there thought by some of the best! I ran into Mike Dillard at the Empower Event in Austin... Why would he be there hmmm....
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        • Profile picture of the author cobwab
          Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

          Actually, you won't make any money at all once they close down the program. And they will close their program or sell it to someone else some day.

          I wouldn't sell that car just yet.

          Edit: If you're new to internet marketing, be careful with all the replies in this thread. It appears everyone on Empower is making money! Does that sound normal? It doesn't to me. These responses are being posted to create curiosity in the hopes you'll send a Private Message to find out "how" they're doing it. They eventually respond with an affiliate link that earns them money and leaves you holding an empty bucket of hope.

          It's a tactic that is used to attract you into joining the Empower MLM program. And yes, Empower is an MLM program.

          "Roland Whitsell, a former business professor who spent 40 years researching and teaching the pitfalls of multilevel marketing": "You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone making over $1.50 an hour, (t)he primary product is opportunity. The strongest, most powerful motivational force today is false hope."[30]

          ^ a b O'Donnell, Jayne (February 10, 2011). "Multilevel marketing or 'pyramid?' Sales people find it hard to earn much". USAToday (Gannett Company). Retrieved April 5, 2011.
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        • Profile picture of the author Gabriel75us
          Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

          Actually, you won't make any money at all once they close down the program. And they will close their program or sell it to someone else some day.

          I wouldn't sell that car just yet.

          Edit: If you're new to internet marketing, be careful with all the replies in this thread. It appears everyone on Empower is making money! Does that sound normal? It doesn't to me. These responses are being posted to create curiosity in the hopes you'll send a Private Message to find out "how" they're doing it. They eventually respond with an affiliate link that earns them money and leaves you holding an empty bucket of hope.

          It's a tactic that is used to attract you into joining the Empower MLM program. And yes, Empower is an MLM program.
          As seasoned as Jesus sounds and probably is, and my respects brother, it seems as though he's not very familiar with the product.

          As with any business doors can close on anybody for a number of reasons... Diversify no matter who you're with. This is business 101.

          Some companies don't allow you to be involved with other mlms simultaneously - and that's my first question. If that's the case, then bye, bye as far as I'm concerned.

          I am involved with one company that puts a cap on how far you can climb, but that's cool. Their health product is awesome and it's mostly about the product for me with them anyway...

          If you do a little homework on the company and its founders and all checks out okay, you believe in the product, you feel that the market will respond favorably to it, and you are ready to do some work, then have at it!

          As far as Empower Network is concerned, I think that the system and the company culture is great! I'm not making anything worth bragging about yet, but I have internally turned a corner because of their empowering audios...

          If you're a newbie and especially you're kind-of spinning your wheels in online marketing or mlm then there is probably something that you have to work out with your mindset, your DMO, systems, or all of the above and Empower is a good place to get your head straight - at least it was for me.

          This said, you will need to join at the inner circle level which is the $100/month level. Totally worth it and there's new content coming out 3 (minimum) if not 4 times a month!

          Treat it like a business, do the math, and don't be afraid of a little overhead - especially if it makes you or your business better!

          It's a must have tool to keep focused and your people focused and motivated.

          Hope this helped!
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        • Profile picture of the author Robert02011
          Sounds to me you have sour grapes, i`am not a member of empower network but believe the system works.
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          I`am looking for an honest legal business that can make real money online.
          I found one ??????http://successxxx.com

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      • Profile picture of the author xenonlamp
        Originally Posted by crlsgrc View Post

        I joined Empower Network about a week ago and I love it so far. Anybody that joins Empower Network has to at least start at the $25 a month level. At this level you get a blog and they do encourage you to post to it daily.

        They also have four other products that you can receive commissions The product prices are 25$ a month for the blog, the Inner Circle is 100 a month the Costa Rican Intensive is one time $500 and the 150000 k a month formula is $1000 one time. Buying these products allows you to receive 100% commissions on them. So if you sell the inner circle at $100 a month you get $100 a month commission as long as they stay a member. If you don't buy the product and someone buys it through your link you won't get the commission.

        IMO if you market Empower Network the way they tell you and you pick up all the products so you can receive commissions on them and apply what you've learned. I think it's impossible not to make a lot of money from Empower Network because of how good Empower Network is at selling. They're so good that I was thinking about selling my car to pick up the the products.

        And it's really not all about money and scamming they're very honest and upfront about everything. And they disclose all their stats so you can see what people are making and it's impressive.
        you are right sir. But i need immediate mearning
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      • Profile picture of the author Robert02011
        I agree with you i`am not in empower network yet but have been looking for a product that pays well and can`t find one better than en.
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        I`am looking for an honest legal business that can make real money online.
        I found one ??????http://successxxx.com

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        • Profile picture of the author jambaman2
          Empower Network LIE #1: $25 per month to join - PLUS another $20 per month, if you intend on getting PAID!

          Empower Network LIE #2: 100% profits - check the compensation plan! You start at 50% and earn 80% after your SIXTH signup

          Empower Network LIE #3: Income! Just check the disclaimer: Empower Network: Income Disclosure ONLY the top 1% make $10K or more. 3% average LESS than $9K PER YEAR! The rest make chump change at best
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          • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
            Originally Posted by jambaman2 View Post

            Empower Network LIE #1: $25 per month to join - PLUS another $20 per month, if you intend on getting PAID!
            Actually it's $25 to join, $19.95 to re-sell the products as an affiliate.

            So when they say $25 to join, it's not a lie it's the truth - You don't have to re-sell the products.


            Empower Network LIE #2: 100% profits - check the compensation plan! You start at 50% and earn 80% after your SIXTH signup
            Yes, they have pass-ups but you're still keeping 100% of the commission (minus fee's of-course).

            Empower Network LIE #3: Income! Just check the disclaimer: Empower Network: Income Disclosure ONLY the top 1% make $10K or more. 3% average LESS than $9K PER YEAR! The rest make chump change at best
            They are clearly presenting you with an income disclaimer showing exactly what's earned. So how are they lying about income, when it's right in front of you at the income tab.

            Name some other networks that display the amounts earned by members..

            As with everything in life, there is always going to be a "top percentage" that earns significantly more than everyone else (That's how the world works).

            You state 3% make $9,000/year (or less) that's still insanely good.

            I know that there are 100,000 active affiliates so that means that 3,000 people are still making up to $9,000/year whilst only actually "putting in" 15 hours of "work".

            Explain how those are bad numbers. 31% of people are at least making $100/month, that's 31,000 people making an extra few hundred bucks per month. Again, please tell me of another opportunity which boasts such high numbers?

            What you have to remember is that the whole "make money industry" generally attracts people that are looking for a way to get rich quick, not a business.

            The reason that "most people" aren't successful with any sort of biz-op, home business or whatever you want to call it is simply because they're not looking for one. They are looking for a way to get rich quick WITHOUT willing to sacrifice time, money or any of the other things that running a successful business requires.
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    • Profile picture of the author annieflora
      I signed up with empower network just over 2 weeks and its crazy. I am so impressed and if i knew then what i know now i would have save myself so much money on fake programs and would be making much more than i am making now
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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    sounds like your typical MLM program where only the people at the top win... that is not the true MLM program... to not credit someone is a pure sign of a program that will not last and is only designed towards those who can market.. so all they are doing is praying on big marketers to pull in people who dont have clue, and those who give up the sponsors will benefit from it...

    a true MLM program has equal earning opportunities as their upline.

    E.P = I pass.

    Why? cos this type of structure misleads those less experienced.
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    • Profile picture of the author pringle1troy
      Originally Posted by askloz View Post

      sounds like your typical MLM program where only the people at the top win... that is not the true MLM program... to not credit someone is a pure sign of a program that will not last and is only designed towards those who can market.. so all they are doing is praying on big marketers to pull in people who dont have clue, and those who give up the sponsors will benefit from it...

      a true MLM program has equal earning opportunities as their upline.

      E.P = I pass.

      Why? cos this type of structure misleads those less experienced.
      Just curious I was thinking about joining E.N. What program do you use that works better? Empower Network pays out 100% commission and residual monthly for the 25 and 100 month plans.

      The Empower Network commission plan explained in simple terms. ... Sale #2, #4, #6 and every 5th sale after of the $25 product are passed up. ... on products that you have NOT purchased, will be automatically passed up.

      My thoughts? Does it matter if you pass up sales. Everyone you bring in will pass sales to you as long as they stay in and are taught how to make money.
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    • Profile picture of the author RobertoM
      Originally Posted by askloz View Post

      sounds like your typical MLM program where only the people at the top win... that is not the true MLM program... to not credit someone is a pure sign of a program that will not last and is only designed towards those who can market.. so all they are doing is praying on big marketers to pull in people who dont have clue, and those who give up the sponsors will benefit from it...

      a true MLM program has equal earning opportunities as their upline.

      E.P = I pass.

      Why? cos this type of structure misleads those less experienced.
      "Sounds like..."???
      Dude, you're only guessing .
      Maybe it's you who are misleading people here.
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      • Profile picture of the author haslow
        Well, to all Warrior Forum Empower Network thread readers, this is my research over months of investigation. I can speak frankly about Empower Network because I am not a member of Empower Network, Empower Network members cannot speak frankly, read why.

        I have been waiting a long time to reveal my findings about Empower Network but held off until my information was fully creditable.

        Like many I was interested in what Empower Network was all about. I was going to join even thou I did not like the idea of how the founders David Wood and David Sharpe promoted their system, but that's what it is all about, "Their system, Empower Network".

        First let me tell you, YOU WILL NEVER SEE A EMPOWER NETWORK MEMBER TALK BAD ABOUT THE EMPOWER NETWORK because when you sign up they put the fear of penalty on you as you MUST agree to the "Terms Of Use" under "CONFIDENTIALITY" which clearly state:

        "You agree that you will not make any derogatory statements, either oral or written, or otherwise disparage us, our products, employees, services, work or employment, and will take all reasonable steps to prevent others from making derogatory or disparaging statements. You agree that it would be impossible, impractical, or extremely difficult to fix the actual damages suffered by reason of a breach of this paragraph, and accordingly hereby agree that Company may determine recover five thousand dollars ($5,000) as the amount of damages sustained by reason of each such breach, without prejudice to Company's right to also seek injunctive or other equitable relief."

        So do you think that the Davids knew what they were planning was going to be unethical when they were building the system? That they knew members when once joined and paid, were going to be dissatisfied as results from honest ethical IM were going to be at best, minimal, unless you opted to follow the deceptive marketing practice and pyramid system? Yes that is where the money is, in the pyramid structure.

        A friend of mine had joined and tried to get me to join because he was blinded by the excitement he got from his boost in page rank and quick commissions he received due to his followers who trust him bought into his positive talk about the Empower Network and joined under him. So he profited, reportedly not by much, a few hundred very quickly and then it stopped as his interested subscribers all joined and those subscribers under him made no sales. Yes he also opted to sell Empower Network which we had many arguments over on how he was leading his followers who were not at his level of success to unfortunate failure. Our friendship has been damaged as of present. He is an experienced very successful affiliate marketer and used the Empower Network for the Alexa power it has to promote his websites which does work to boost your page rank if you have external website business that is already successful. He had forgotten how beginners or those who strictly rely on affiliate links without websites would fail upon embarking on this type of system, I forgive him.

        My findings:
        At first I recognized this as a pyramid structure system as it is so clearly seen if you listen to the intro videos every member promotes. David Wood, front man for the system is a very good motivator and hence why he is the main rep for the company. The upsell push on this system is just plain embarrassing. The buy in to get the upsells is so paramount to their promotion because it is their bread and butter.They know if they fail to sell the Empower Network system and upsell then their income stops. The road to riches WAS at the ground floor with the Davids and their friends who got in at the ground floor and are the highly promoted success stories. Yes they made bundles and the original group continues to make money as new members continue to fund their accounts with hopes they could make it big too, but so sorry, it is not going to happen. Road closed, ground floor full. No more can the riches be experience by newcomers as this is how pyramid schemes all work and for the most part, companies in general. You start a company, get your family and friends to join, make profits accordingly and then hire employees who work for you. That is where Empower Network stands as of late last year. Everyone but the elite ground floor group, is just an Employee working for the Davids and their CEO's and continuing to make them rich, not you.

        Oh I know I am going to get bashed on this post by Empower Network members because they MUST, according to their terms of agreement protect the Empower Network name. Well come on, welcome, do your best, we all know your talk holds no water.

        I did my homework:
        First, if I lived in a apartment and was having a house built but my lease was up 1 day before I could move into my new home, I guess I could camp out in my van over night, no problem. Guess what? I can now legally say I lived in my van because legally, I did. I just did not tell you how long I lived there or need to prove it to you, but if you tried to sue me for misrepresentation I would win because I told the truth, I did live in my van. Did David Wood do this?

        About the Scooby Doo looking van by the beach which he said he lived in and so happened to have a photo of, how many of you happen to take a picture of your junk vehicle with nobody in the picture. Is this really his van? This picture can be seen on all the promo videos the Empower Network members are promoting. If this is the van why did it change to a different newer van on the empowernetwork dot com website? Wait David ,did you forget which van you lived out of and just happen to have another picture of a van with nobody in the picture?

        I had been invited and sat through their so called "LIVE" webinars which were actually prerecorded. I have proof which I have screen captured on my hard drive of multiple dates and times of the so called "live" webinars that are all the same single video. Is that so bad? It is deceiving but what is worse is during the so called "LIVE" webinar, they are giving you the opportunity if you "Join Now so you can get a special bonus with only 30 spots available", and during the webinar they give updates as to how many spots are left. "Hurry up and get in now, don't be a wussy". Sure thing David here is my $5 grand. Whoops did you screw up on this one David? The webinars are all about upsell and all the ground floor group bragging about how successful they are. No learning at all involved.

        Another thing that nobody talks about is at the lowest member joining fee of $25, it is not just a $25 a month fee, yes it is a monthly recurring fee, but if you opt to try to sell Empower Network there is an additional $19.95 a month payment processing fee to sell there product so in essence you are paying a monthly $44.95 to have the privilege of being a member with selling rights.

        OK so what about the insiders member area? Well yes, I did get to see it through my friends membership which he joined at the $125 a month level plus the $19.95 a month for allowing payment processing and had privileges to the insiders area which is where the video training is at, You do not get this at the $25 level. What is it? More upsell and how you are a "wussy" if you don't get the upsell and yes they do tell you that! As far as the so called instructional education? It is there, same old rehash of what has been taught by every IM guru but with the Empower Network "Bad Ass" attitude. They had to provide the education videos as not to be penalized and shut down for being a pyramid scheme.

        Oh wait there's more! Did everyone who joined miss this in the "Terms Of Use"?

        "USER CONTENT.
        You grant Company a license to use the materials you post to the Site or Service. By posting, downloading, displaying, performing, transmitting, or otherwise distributing information or other content ("User Content") to the Site or Service, you are granting Company, its affiliates, officers, directors, employees, consultants, agents, and representatives a transferable and sub-licensable license to use User Content, including without limitation, a right to copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, reproduce, edit, translate, and reformat User Content. You will not be compensated for any User Content. You agree that Company may publish or otherwise disclose your name in connection with your User Content. By posting User Content on the Site or Service, you warrant and represent that you own the rights to the User Content or are otherwise authorized to post, distribute, display, perform, transmit, or otherwise distribute User Content."

        In other worlds guess what Empower Network members, everything you put on their network including your website now becomes property of the Empower Network and any other member! Doesn't anybody read these things anymore? Go ahead members, steal each others property, its all up for grabs including everything on their website if it is linked! Does intelligence of a fern come to mind.


        So in closing, What is the Empower Network?
        A pyramid system with no more option to become financially rich quick.
        A blogging system which nobody reads except Empower Network members. (When is the last time you read a Empower Network blogs to shop or more so, bought anything from a Empower Network blog?)
        A internet marketing training program which you can get for free by other internet marketing sites or by other gurus. Nothing mind blowing or secrets reveled there.
        A network with authority. Yes this is the only value. If you have a existing site you can use the network to boost your page rank but at what expense? Whenever I see Empower Network tied to a URL I am immediately turned off as I feel this site may be deceptive and I go elsewhere. Best option, if you have a site, use Empower Network only for the authority power but mask your URL. (Provided you don't care about it being altered, copied, or even hijacked. You have given up all rights even registered trade marks and copyrights! Subsequent infringement will be your responsibility for posting on the network!)

        My take on Empower Network and David Wood and David Sharpe is they are very clever marketers and so good at what they do they have managed to deceive some of the most skeptic minds.They are good no doubt about that, and had designed a system that has made them rich along with the crew at the ground floor, but they are not looking out to do anything other than pad their wallets. Not saying this is wrong, unethical yes, but just be aware, to continue their success, the tactics are going to become ever more deceptive as they see their earnings decrease. And what about that "Terms Of Use" "User Content" clause? In a pinch, think they would give a rats ass about taking over some of your sites?
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        If you are an affiliate marketer and have a sizable mailing list, sure you can email your list a promo for the Empower Network, send them a testimonial and even a vid on how great it is and you may make your money back and even a sizable profit but how do you stand now with all the people on your list who just bought into a system which makes them nothing? Sure as cows give milk, your future emailings are destined for that digital dumpster along with your reputation.
        You can be a excellent baker and open a bakery, you can be a excellent gangster and run a crime syndicate or you can be an excellent marketer and have a deceptive marketing system,all designed to make money. It's an occupational choice.

        CAUTION: Be weary of "webinars" as there is a deceptive clever tactic that is being used where you are invited to a so called "live" webinar which is prerecorded. It is run through services like goto meeting and there is a live moderator to answer easy questions so technically it is live but it is a staged prerecorded webinar. You can tell if you ask a complex question and it is not answered or the presenter will never address your question or reply to you directly. David Wood does this along with others which I do not need to mention here. Sure a simple question like "is this live" will be answered by the moderator, and the moderator will occasionally inject comments which are made to look like they come from participants like "This system is great" and then the moderator will also reply "Yes it is" so everyone sees that and thinks it is live.

        Please chime in everyone, Is this what affiliate marketing is all about? Being deceptive at selling schemes you know have no value but you need to recoup your investment, and hopefully profit? If so, I can put affiliate marketing in the same class as oil companies, physicians, lawyers, and politicians.
        I am a affiliate marketer but never sell or recommend anything I have not tried, tested and feel is of value. I know there are many honest affiliate marketers out there but then there are those who push products they no nothing about except that they can hopefully profit off it and they tell everyone it is the best thing since individually wrapped cheese. If the true opinion of everyone of affiliates is that they are only concerned with how much cash they can make regardless of ethics, then I will gladly bow out. I have a internet business which is honest. Affiliate marketing is just a hobby of mine. Please everyone, let me know what your feelings are on what you think of where affiliate marketers stand.

        Empower Network and the Davids are at the top of the mountain now of deceptive affiliate marketers but they will not be there for long. They made their millions, they are safe, but the network will fall.

        Take care,
        Haslow
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  • Profile picture of the author leighs31
    If your going to join it. Join under someone that is already extremely successful and has a team below them. These are the guys making the money in the network as they share their tools etc. Anything works if you put your mind to it. Just stick to one thing and get a mentor for it
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    • Profile picture of the author smoor2012
      I like this advice..I may or may not join empower network myself in the future..I don't know enough about it yet to knock it by any means and I am watching reviews and keeping an eye on it for a period of time right now.

      The statement that you can make something work by sticking to it I definitely agree with and with the fact that you need to research and find one mentor you can align with that is successful and then follow their lead. That is solid advice.

      Empower looks really good..I research stuff awhile first before I join.
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      • Profile picture of the author seven7bh
        If you are deciding to join Empower Network, think about this for a minute.

        Resource: Empower Network Income Disclaimer page Everyone
        Empower Network: Income Disclosure

        So basically this says that out over everyone who signs up, 91% do not make a profit. This includes people who signup and leave immediately or never try, but that should say something about this system. It's so successful that only 9% actually make more money than they spend Overall.

        So just ask yourself this question, are you part of the 9%. Because if you have any doubt whether you can make it or not, 91% failure rate is something to think about.

        And if I was running a company, I would be ashamed that 91% of people could not use the Training (Top Notch as they say) or system to make money (full proof as some claim).

        Also to all the people claiming they are making money with this system, some of them are lying, the numbers speak for themselves.


        Good luck out there!
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        • Profile picture of the author briancouch85
          Originally Posted by seven7bh View Post

          So basically this says that out over everyone who signs up, 91% do not make a profit. This includes people who signup and leave immediately or never try, but that should say something about this system. It's so successful that only 9% actually make more money than they spend Overall.
          From looking at the bottom line of your link, I see 91% make less than $100/month including people who never try anything. The low is $0, the high is $75, and the average is $27

          It's $25/month to have the blog and you pass up your second sale. What I see is that on average, 91% has at least 3 active team members. That's including people who literally have never logged in.
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          • Profile picture of the author enterpryzman
            Originally Posted by briancouch85 View Post

            From looking at the bottom line of your link, I see 91% make less than $100/month including people who never try anything. The low is $0, the high is $75, and the average is $27

            It's $25/month to have the blog and you pass up your second sale. What I see is that on average, 91% has at least 3 active team members. That's including people who literally have never logged in.
            I joined to test it out and to help the guy who sent it to me--have been in for about 6 months and never mad a single sale and have zero downline....I suspected my to have something, oh well.
            I am sure you get what you put into it.

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            • Profile picture of the author briancouch85
              Originally Posted by enterpryzman View Post

              I joined to test it out and to help the guy who sent it to me--have been in for about 6 months and never mad a single sale and have zero downline....I suspected my to have something, oh well.
              I am sure you get what you put into it.

              Enterpryzman
              You definitely get what you put into it. I know I'm not alone in saying the reason you never made a single sale is because you were just testing it out. It's fine to test things out if you know what you're doing and can sell anything, but if you can't sell, then don't test things out. Choose something people are making money with and stick with it long enough to figure a few things out.
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  • Profile picture of the author gavinthorne
    IMHO - I joined 6 weeks ago and have earned $12,150k (yes proof available for all those skeptics)

    And yes like anything you have to work at it but it has worked for me, so as others have said join someone who can show you the way.

    The training contained is really fantastic, I am really mean that - I have tried MLSP and SFM and others (no I not knocking them) but my success has come from EN - it really is a simple, scalable system that can be easily duplicated

    Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author Datingport
      Originally Posted by gavinthorne View Post

      IMHO - I joined 6 weeks ago and have earned $12,150k (yes proof available for all those skeptics)

      And yes like anything you have to work at it but it has worked for me, so as others have said join someone who can show you the way.

      The training contained is really fantastic, I am really mean that - I have tried MLSP and SFM and others (no I not knocking them) but my success has come from EN - it really is a simple, scalable system that can be easily duplicated

      Good luck
      I'm interested Gavin,
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    • Profile picture of the author jbhappy15
      Originally Posted by gavinthorne View Post

      IMHO - I joined 6 weeks ago and have earned $12,150k (yes proof available for all those skeptics)

      And yes like anything you have to work at it but it has worked for me, so as others have said join someone who can show you the way.

      The training contained is really fantastic, I am really mean that - I have tried MLSP and SFM and others (no I not knocking them) but my success has come from EN - it really is a simple, scalable system that can be easily duplicated

      Good luck
      Hey Gavin Im interested, e-mail me @ jbhappy15@gmail . com

      Cheers mate!
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      • Profile picture of the author jrgattison
        Hi all! I just want to add my 3 or 4 cents.

        As with any business opportunity Empower Network included you are going to have to follow the system before you can honestly judge whether it is a good opportunity or not.

        For those who haven't actually at least bought the blogging system and have something negative to say I think you are at least a little out of integrity.

        If you have gotten in and didn't follow the system and have something negative to say then you are a probably out of integrity to say the least.

        To all of you that are considering Empower I will challenge you to ask yourself some questions before you pay the $25 in order to save yourself from being frustrated and falling out of integrity with yourself:
        1. Are you committed to following the a system for at least 30 days?
        2. Are you willing to not chase the next new product launch that comes into your email box for at least 30 days?
        3. Are you willing to express yourself and whether it be through blogging or videos on a consistent basis?
        4. Are you willing to cut off the negative influences in your life for at least 30 days (that includes going through this post and reading what others think about EN who have never even went through the process)

        Understand that EN is a system that teaches you how to market. It does recommend that you invest in more products as it will allow you to learn other aspects of marketing as well as allow you to earn higher commissions. Any one that markets online successfully is going to do the same thing. You can never have one product in your arsenal and expect to make a full time income for the long term.

        Here's another point. ANY company that doesn't innovate and come out with something new and innovative WILL go out of business eventually that includes the Empower Network.

        There will always be negative broke people that are going to always talk about how something doesn't work and how bad things are. Don't be one of those people. Take consistent action on something whatever system it may be. Having a system to follow is easier that creating one of your own and that is really what EN brings to the table unlike almost any other program.

        I'll cut this post here but if anyone has any questions about EN I will answer what I can or point you in the right direction to get your questions answered.

        One more thing is that although they are going to direct you to "Get All In" that is not a requirement but if you think about it this is sound advice IF you believe and utilize the system. Would you like to earn $25 commission or $100 commission? That should be a no brainer.

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    • Profile picture of the author earnagreatlife
      can you be my friend i just joined empower network too 3 days ago...and my sponsor wont reply back to me....

      im gettin everything set up that i can... i only have the bloggin system so far....
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      • Profile picture of the author workingathomemom
        Hey, did you get set up yet?
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        • Profile picture of the author showole
          just like ANY system...you have to drive traffic to see result.....

          Forget about the training for a sec...

          you are a buying reseller rights to products at $25, $100, $500, $1000, $3500 price point

          YOU MUST DRIVE TRAFFIC .....PERIOD

          I have made close to $200K with Empower...SO I KNOW
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  • Profile picture of the author selfimprove
    I am in empower network and I can tell you that it works. Simple as that.
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    • Profile picture of the author doucarsha
      I have been in Empower Network for 3 months, I own all the programs and I am making from home, what I used to make at my full time job, and the best part is your income increases every month! If you are willing to buy the programs and do what they say, it will work for you, plus I help my downline out for the ones that are serious and I get them leads when they first start out so that they are making money right way! Dont judge something until you've tried it! If anyone is interested inbox me and i'll get you started right! or doucarsha at msn dot com
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      • Profile picture of the author Raz Schultz
        Thanks to all of you who have replied to questions about the Empower Network.
        They heavily advertise only $25. a month. Of course, you can sign up for that.
        My questions is, what if you don't have $100 a month or $500 to get into the other programs right away?
        Is there a possiblity of making money at the $25 a month level first, and making enough to go up to the other levels?
        Otherwise, it is very deceptive to take even $25 from someone by saying they can make money with the program, only to have them find out that now they need $500, or $100 a month.
        Not everyone has that much money to get started.
        Also, how technical do these programs get? Do you have to know html, ftp, or cpanel, etc.
        Any information on this?
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        • Profile picture of the author Raz Schultz
          Thank you, that gives me some idea about whether it really is for people who don't have much money.

          For some, even $25 is a strain and they're not being a "wuss." We've all heard about people living in cars or tents and not having enough money to even rent a room somewhere. I'd like to think there is hope for someone like that to actually get started on a shoestring and make a life for themselves.

          Most people who know how to make good money on the Internet are not going to tell anyone else for $25. Just curious about whether this Empower Network actually works or is just another hyped-up disappointment.
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          • Profile picture of the author doucarsha
            It is possible to make money with the $25 blog, but you will only qualify for $25 commission, if you have a desire to make a lot more than that, then you may upgrade but its not mandatory. Its only $25, there is no excuse someone that really wants to do it couldn't come up with $25 or more than that, the right people will always find a way to get the money, period. Borrow the money from a friend, sell your food stamps, do odd jobs..help someone on Craigslist move their furniture for $50...sell stuff, get a job....there are plenty of ways to get money, its just a matter if they want to. Im not rich, but when I got in I still bought all the products ($6,125), the training is worth more than that alone, and you cant look at it like your losing that money, your investing in YOUR business, in which you keep 100% of the money, so if only ONE person gets all the products...you get all you money back, then everyone else is profit for life. You invest once and it pays you forever. I dont know anything else out there that compares to that.
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            • Profile picture of the author fong47
              Yes, you can make money with the $25 program and if you are not sure if upgrade is for you, you can wait till you make your first $25 and upgrade later on. The key is to blog daily so you can get lots of traffic. Its a very simple program and you just need to be dedicated and follow the system. Why reinvent the wheel? Blog daily and you can start seeing some progress.
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              • Profile picture of the author successproducts
                Empower Network sells a dream -- they really sell nothing - but you make money because their videos really really converts. So if you join and know half of what you know as Internet Marketer you probably will make money. So if anything study their video really well - it says all the right stuffs and so people will buy. Also having a blog and post something about your life creates a kind of trust and bang -- people will sign up under you. Good business model actually.
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                • Profile picture of the author successproducts
                  Yeah -- if anything it entices me and my buddies to start such a network ...hire an actor to create a video like that founder guy and sell like that .. I am telling you it's selling a dream via the video. and instead of monthly fee for $50.00 -- I throw in few bones - and give back to charities of my choice. such as helping animals sanctuary ... yeah ..
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                • Profile picture of the author Brian Tayler
                  Originally Posted by successproducts View Post

                  Empower Network sells a dream -- they really sell nothing - but you make money because their videos really really converts. So if you join and know half of what you know as Internet Marketer you probably will make money. So if anything study their video really well - it says all the right stuffs and so people will buy. Also having a blog and post something about your life creates a kind of trust and bang -- people will sign up under you. Good business model actually.
                  Exactly. The ones making the REAL money here are "David Wood" and "David Sharpe" they are, smartly, cashing in as quick as they can... because it will get taken down and/or sold and/or restructured. That's the world of MLM.

                  Want to make REAL money? Model their full system and build something yourself. Even create an MLM if you feel so inclined.

                  But as said, they are really just selling a dream. The people at the top profit, and somewhere, someone has to "loose" and that is likely the people on the bottom of the pyramid.

                  Also a side note: As a pretty big/established warrior with a couple mailing lists... I could have decided months ago to mail my lists Empower (actually thought about it when Jason Moffit was pushing it so hard). And I knew I'd make a BOAT LOAD of cash because many of my list subscribers would have joined. However I chose not to. Sometimes its not about the money. I can teach people on my list to be successful and provide REAL value without having to con them into Empower. Empower Network is just one of many... and it won't be around forever. No disrespect to those marketers that do sell Empower to their list, but I just had too big of an ethical issue in doing so.

                  How is this different than, say, Pure Leverage?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Joe Russell
                    Originally Posted by Brian Tayler View Post

                    Exactly. The ones making the REAL money here are "David Wood" and "David Sharpe" they are, smartly, cashing in as quick as they can... because it will get taken down and/or sold and/or restructured. That's the world of MLM.

                    Want to make REAL money? Model their full system and build something yourself. Even create an MLM if you feel so inclined.

                    But as said, they are really just selling a dream. The people at the top profit, and somewhere, someone has to "loose" and that is likely the people on the bottom of the pyramid.

                    Also a side note: As a pretty big/established warrior with a couple mailing lists... I could have decided months ago to mail my lists Empower (actually thought about it when Jason Moffit was pushing it so hard). And I knew I'd make a BOAT LOAD of cash because many of my list subscribers would have joined. However I chose not to. Sometimes its not about the money. I can teach people on my list to be successful and provide REAL value without having to con them into Empower. Empower Network is just one of many... and it won't be around forever. No disrespect to those marketers that do sell Empower to their list, but I just had too big of an ethical issue in doing so.

                    How is this different than, say, Pure Leverage?
                    Hey Brian,

                    I totally agree...

                    After 14 years in this business seeing dozens of these structurely insecure programs come and go I have never once promoted anything like this to my subcribers for the same exact reasons you mentioned.

                    With 250k subscribers I certainly could have made a mint but like you I plan to be in this business for many years to come and wouldnt ruin my reputation for the sake of a few more dollars.

                    Joe Russell
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            • Profile picture of the author gavinthorne
              Hi there
              This is not personal but a general view on the vein of comments that are coming in on this.

              Let's be clear here - for $25p/month you get fully set up blog that has an Alexa ranking of 489, which means it's an authority site. And your posts will get ranked better than starting off your own Wordpress blog.
              There is a great option to also become an affiliate of the system and sell their products.

              I get very tired of people knocking Products or Systems (any in fact) they have no actual idea of how they work because they have never tried all this without offering any value to the Warrior Community so people can make their own minds up.

              thank you

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            • Profile picture of the author gavinthorne
              Originally Posted by doucarsha View Post

              It is possible to make money with the $25 blog, but you will only qualify for $25 commission, if you have a desire to make a lot more than that, then you may upgrade but its not mandatory. Its only $25, there is no excuse someone that really wants to do it couldn't come up with $25 or more than that, the right people will always find a way to get the money, period. Borrow the money from a friend, sell your food stamps, do odd jobs..help someone on Craigslist move their furniture for $50...sell stuff, get a job....there are plenty of ways to get money, its just a matter if they want to. Im not rich, but when I got in I still bought all the products ($6,125), the training is worth more than that alone, and you cant look at it like your losing that money, your investing in YOUR business, in which you keep 100% of the money, so if only ONE person gets all the products...you get all you money back, then everyone else is profit for life. You invest once and it pays you forever. I dont know anything else out there that compares to that.
              Hi there
              This is not personal but a general view on the vein of comments that are coming in on this.

              Let's be clear here - for $25p/month you get fully set up blog that has an Alexa ranking of 489, which means it's an authority site. And your posts will get ranked better than starting off your own Wordpress blog.
              There is a great option to also become an affiliate of the system and sell their products.

              I get very tired of people knocking Products or Systems (any in fact) they have no actual idea of how they work because they have never tried all this without offering any value to the Warrior Community so people can make their own minds up.

              thank you

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          • Profile picture of the author luna522
            Originally Posted by Raz Schultz View Post

            Thank you, that gives me some idea about whether it really is for people who don't have much money.

            For some, even $25 is a strain and they're not being a "wuss." We've all heard about people living in cars or tents and not having enough money to even rent a room somewhere. I'd like to think there is hope for someone like that to actually get started on a shoestring and make a life for themselves.

            Most people who know how to make good money on the Internet are not going to tell anyone else for $25. Just curious about whether this Empower Network actually works or is just another hyped-up disappointment.
            Definitely. And they heavily bill it as 25 but you have to pay another 25 to be an affiliate for them. But that isn't mentioned until after you sign up.. Also if you decide it's not for you all they do is say how much of a quitter or loser you are... Personally I don't think the empower program will do much for you if you already know how to set up your blog, sites, autoresponder.

            Just my opinion but I'd save your money and invest in your own personal business.
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          • Profile picture of the author FranckBlevinal
            I think that empower network has been created for people who do not have a lot of money to started. Never forget that the two founders were homeless. One of him lived in a Van. There are many members today who started with little cash. Some have failed in their lives, and were also homeless. As John Wells for example: HOW John Wells Made $30,000 With Empower Network YouTube - YouTube

            You can start with $25 (+ $19.95 affiliate fees), and pay $100 per month when you have enough earnings. Start earning money with your $25 per month first, and later increase your investment. Start smartly. No need to be in hurry

            Don't forget also, to save 20% of your earnings for your marketing.

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          • Profile picture of the author makkeakino
            I've been with Empower Network for a couple of months now, and i'm only on the $25 blogging system.

            Dave Wood said, "blog daily..." so i did... did i see any money for the past couple of weeks?.. NO... but surely though, most of my blogs are in the first page of Google Search engine...and i get flooded with email from both Dave(s) and did i say i get email daily?... yes.. daily... sure enough, there are only two things I've seen with Empower Network.

            1. they Blogging system ranks high
            2. they flood your Inbox with email from the founders and other people who are affiliated with the system.

            with respect to all the people in this forum that already "made a lot of money" with EN, good on you and i wish you more success, but i can tell from this forum and other forums out there, "not everyone" can afford to "buy" all the products within the EN system, and more so, they can not afford to pay $50 (Blogging System) +$100 (Inner Circle), monthly. Most Newbie get exited and jump right on it, but the issue is... once they're in, they are somewhat "trapped" because when they watched the training videos of EN there's a part there where Dave Wood said "...if you're not in the Inner Circle i would not even talk to you... so get "All-in"..... ", some people take these words personally and they opt-out of EN, due to the same fact that they could not afford the monthly fee.

            (Just voicing out what other people are saying about the system....)
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          • Profile picture of the author onlinemoney00
            Originally Posted by Raz Schultz View Post

            Thank you, that gives me some idea about whether it really is for people who don't have much money.

            For some, even $25 is a strain and they're not being a "wuss." We've all heard about people living in cars or tents and not having enough money to even rent a room somewhere. I'd like to think there is hope for someone like that to actually get started on a shoestring and make a life for themselves.

            Most people who know how to make good money on the Internet are not going to tell anyone else for $25. Just curious about whether this Empower Network actually works or is just another hyped-up disappointment.
            If you can't afford $100 a month, you shouldn't be in business full stop. Maybe get a job and build up a nest egg & come back when you are ready. I don't know of any successful business offline that has expenses of less than $1000 monthly. So just because we are online doesn't mean we should lose our common sense
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        • Profile picture of the author Datingport
          Originally Posted by Raz Schultz View Post

          Is there a possiblity of making money at the $25 a month level first, and making enough to go up to the other levels?


          Also, how technical do these programs get? Do you have to know html, ftp, or cpanel, etc.
          Any information on this?
          Raz, you can start making money at the $25 level. But at that level, you only get commissions from others at that level. You have to purchase each product in order to be able to resell it. But you can do that in stages.

          Also, The wordpress site has two parts. One is a very simplified version that is literally plug and play. The other side operates just like a normal wordpress site with a few minor modifications. You can switch between the two anytime you please. You don't need to know any html, ftp, or cpanel, etc.
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          • It's always amazing to me how many people will get lathered up and jump into something as long as there are huge dollar figures mentioned in the pitch, and then try to find a way to justify it afterward.

            Sure, the people marketing this were very crafty in setting it up to make this sort of appeal, and to 'convert' such a high number. But come on...maybe you shouldn't be concerned ONLY with 'conversion rates' - after all, Jim Jones had a nearly 100% conversion rate, with his final 'offer.'

            There is no 'product' with Empower, other than 'the dream' of getting rich quick, at any cost. They rely totally upon the unbridled enthusiasm of those who are 'desperate to get rich,' and upon the lock-step conformity of their newly formed devotees.

            This sort of thing is just like a prairie fire...it's big, bright, and burning with intensity, but also leaves behind a smoking trail of devastation. The object is to be one of those who moves along with the fire, and who keeps frantically stoking it with all the human fodder they can find.
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            • Profile picture of the author Rags2Richs
              That says it all much like Larry McMurtry or Louis L'amour writes.
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            • Profile picture of the author MetroWest
              Originally Posted by Salesmanship In Print View Post

              It's always amazing to me how many people will get lathered up and jump into something as long as there are huge dollar figures mentioned in the pitch, and then try to find a way to justify it afterward.

              Sure, the people marketing this were very crafty in setting it up to make this sort of appeal, and to 'convert' such a high number. But come on...maybe you shouldn't be concerned ONLY with 'conversion rates' - after all, Jim Jones had a nearly 100% conversion rate, with his final 'offer.'

              There is no 'product' with Empower, other than 'the dream' of getting rich quick, at any cost. They rely totally upon the unbridled enthusiasm of those who are 'desperate to get rich,' and upon the lock-step conformity of their newly formed devotees.

              This sort of thing is just like a prairie fire...it's big, bright, and burning with intensity, but also leaves behind a smoking trail of devastation. The object is to be one of those who moves along with the fire, and who keeps frantically stoking it with all the human fodder they can find.
              I've not joined EN (yet - maybe never), but I think this is an incorrect analysis. Their product is training and a pre-pimped out site. Training in what? Essentially, monetized blogging. If there's a negative, it's this.. they're setting people up to sell the same product(s), hence a slew of YouTube vids with different twists to sell the same things. They say to use your individual expertise (whatever that may be) to post comments in various forums with links back to your site in order to get people to, well.. do the same thing.

              The big selling point is the 100% commission that passes to you on certain sales (e.g., sale #s 1, 3, 5, and so forth), and that commission be ongoing, as long as (your) people keep paying their $25/mo.

              You also get 100% of certain one time payments (I think like $250, $500, and maybe even $1,000 or more) for various big ticket upsells.

              Is the product/training value there at those price levels? I believe not.. only getting the ability to receive that level of commission from future buyers.. again, 100% for a certain number of buyers in your downline that get the product.

              As for this thing fizzling out or burning itself down, I don't think that will be the case for quite some time (maybe even never) because there's sort of a catch-up feature built in. Someone who joins under someone else can quickly surpass the recruiter's income, even if they've purchased all the products and qualify for all pay levels. Why? I think that this deal truly rewards width AND helping others in width and depth.

              Bottom line: I think the program will be around for years, people will be able to make exactly what they put into it, no one's getting stuck with a bunch of worthless products, and the payouts are unlike anything in the MLM world. Apparently (unless there's some serious lying going on by hundreds of people), someone can make 10, 20, 30K+ in their first frick'n month.

              Why haven't I joined yet? I'm seeing if I can do the same thing with my own products, so I can keep all the dough!
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              • Profile picture of the author Paulwilson123
                As with all MLM business's it relies on recruiting new people to make any decent income, and when you have to rely on that, it's tough for most!
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                Would not wordpress free blog have more authority than en ? Wp is 2004.
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                • Profile picture of the author paddyboy
                  I visited this thread to see how long Empower Network has been around and I see that it started about November of 2012. It was good to get the details about monthly fees and the upsells. The initial sign up page that I was directed to only mentions $25 and I did not see any mention that it was a recurring fee, so good to know.
                  This is the first MLM I have seen in a while that really grabbed at my mind; I haven't felt that from an MLM pitch for a looonnngg time!
                  I am guessing that if I feel that twinge of greed at my jaded and contented age then there must be people signing up for this super slick campaign in droves left and right!
                  I will not be signing up and I do not intend to bash it, but I will throw my prediction simply as one more viewpoint.
                  It will and must collapse as I have seen others do in the past. (mis-management, government intervention, finger pointing, insert any random reason here) and then the payments stop. There I said it; no hate, no judging, I'm just giving an honest guess after taking a brief look based on my own life experience. Am I jumping to a conclusion...yes..guilty as charged. Am I giving an opinion without looking at all the facts - yes again, guilty as charged. Will people make money from it? - of course some will; but I'm guessing most won't. I will drop in to this thread once and a while and see how it goes. I hope all opportunity seekers make good progress in 2013 whatever business they are in. Good luck to all.
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            • Profile picture of the author freemen14
              Originally Posted by Salesmanship In Print View Post

              It's always amazing to me how many people will get lathered up and jump into something as long as there are huge dollar figures mentioned in the pitch, and then try to find a way to justify it afterward.

              Sure, the people marketing this were very crafty in setting it up to make this sort of appeal, and to 'convert' such a high number. But come on...maybe you shouldn't be concerned ONLY with 'conversion rates' - after all, Jim Jones had a nearly 100% conversion rate, with his final 'offer.'

              There is no 'product' with Empower, other than 'the dream' of getting rich quick, at any cost. They rely totally upon the unbridled enthusiasm of those who are 'desperate to get rich,' and upon the lock-step conformity of their newly formed devotees.

              This sort of thing is just like a prairie fire...it's big, bright, and burning with intensity, but also leaves behind a smoking trail of devastation. The object is to be one of those who moves along with the fire, and who keeps frantically stoking it with all the human fodder they can find.
              You've just summed up 90% of ALL MMO marketing
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Linley
                Originally Posted by freemen14 View Post

                There is no 'product' with Empower, other than 'the dream' of getting rich quick, at any cost. They rely totally upon the unbridled enthusiasm of those who are 'desperate to get rich,' and upon the lock-step conformity of their newly formed devotees.
                Well you probably shouldn't talk about things you are clueless about because I just bought the 15K formula for 1K and it has more training via videos and PDF's than any WSO I have ever bought for 7 bucks or even $1997 bucks! This has real tangible products and it's so sad for so many of you non believers and I am done wasting time on this discussion but I am working on my business and making even more money and enjoying life and staying out of these negative sad discussions. I have better things to do with my time!
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                • Profile picture of the author haslow
                  Media which is not hard copy is NOT tangible! Duh. The hEmpower Network has nothing tangible!
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                  • Profile picture of the author shizloc
                    When You're taking college course online.. You're getting an Education.. IS that tangible? But yet we pay for it.....

                    But because of the structure and the money opportunity.... EN is wrong?
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            • Profile picture of the author NBAY
              Originally Posted by Salesmanship In Print View Post

              It's always amazing to me how many people will get lathered up and jump into something as long as there are huge dollar figures mentioned in the pitch, and then try to find a way to justify it afterward.

              Sure, the people marketing this were very crafty in setting it up to make this sort of appeal, and to 'convert' such a high number. But come on...maybe you shouldn't be concerned ONLY with 'conversion rates' - after all, Jim Jones had a nearly 100% conversion rate, with his final 'offer.'

              There is no 'product' with Empower, other than 'the dream' of getting rich quick, at any cost. They rely totally upon the unbridled enthusiasm of those who are 'desperate to get rich,' and upon the lock-step conformity of their newly formed devotees.

              This sort of thing is just like a prairie fire...it's big, bright, and burning with intensity, but also leaves behind a smoking trail of devastation. The object is to be one of those who moves along with the fire, and who keeps frantically stoking it with all the human fodder they can find.
              So eloquently put and so true. These systems are designed to bring in a army of individuals who are constantly recruiting new members into a cycle by which most of the members will contribute money and more new members and then burnout. The cycle continues over and over again and allows those at the top to make a fortune while all of the others are chasing the rabbit or as you put it add fuel to the fire. (smile) The system is great if you are one of the founders but for everyone else it's a suckers game.

              In this case most people feel as if they are getting their monies worth because of the training and ebooks that they were given access to but the fact is all of that is and has always been available for free on the internet.

              If you are joining just for social interacting and the natural instinct to want to belong to a group of like minded individuals then I guess you are getting your money worth but if you are joining to get rich... It's not going to happen. As for the products that you get to sell for 100 percent profit? That's what PLR products are for. Get your own website and put your own PLR products on it and you have a much better chance of getting rich or at least making money.

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        • Profile picture of the author Zackary Richards
          Originally Posted by Raz Schultz View Post

          Thanks to all of you who have replied to questions about the Empower Network.
          They heavily advertise only $25. a month. Of course, you can sign up for that.
          My questions is, what if you don't have $100 a month or $500 to get into the other programs right away?
          Is there a possiblity of making money at the $25 a month level first, and making enough to go up to the other levels?
          Otherwise, it is very deceptive to take even $25 from someone by saying they can make money with the program, only to have them find out that now they need $500, or $100 a month.
          Not everyone has that much money to get started.
          Also, how technical do these programs get? Do you have to know html, ftp, or cpanel, etc.
          Any information on this?
          Hi Raz. I've been an Empower Network member for 60 days and although I haven't earned a commission yet, the tutorials have given me a college education on marketing. None of it is difficult to learn, nothing complex and they reveal what their members make on their pages. If you want to learn more they have a number of tutorials on YouTube you can watch to get a better idea of whats involved, For example check out Vick Strizheus $710,000 video at the top, This guy really know his stuff.
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        • Profile picture of the author pickupcash
          Originally Posted by Raz Schultz View Post

          Thanks to all of you who have replied to questions about the Empower Network.
          They heavily advertise only $25. a month. Of course, you can sign up for that.
          My questions is, what if you don't have $100 a month or $500 to get into the other programs right away?
          Is there a possiblity of making money at the $25 a month level first, and making enough to go up to the other levels?
          Otherwise, it is very deceptive to take even $25 from someone by saying they can make money with the program, only to have them find out that now they need $500, or $100 a month.
          Not everyone has that much money to get started.
          Also, how technical do these programs get? Do you have to know html, ftp, or cpanel, etc.
          Any information on this?
          As with any business, offline or online, your success hinges on your own actions or inactions.

          Is it possible to make money at the $25 level? Of course it is. I have made almost $25,000 in Empower just from that $25 product.

          This is for anyone wondering why the $19.95 affiliate fee is not typically advertised up front. The affiliate system fee is only for affiliates. People who wish to earn commissions by referring others who purchase any of the products at Empower Network. We have thousands of Customers who just want the blogging system or the other I.M. training products so they can learn and promote another business they own. The affiliate fee covers your ewallet and merchant account so you can accept all major credit cards and have your commissions deposited directly into your bank account. All merchant accounts have fees. Most of them are around $20 a month.

          As for the other products, it's entirely up to you. The higher the level you are the more advanced the training and the higher commissions you can earn per referral or sale. Look at it like any other educational platform. The more education you have the more you are capable of earning.

          Hope this helps answer some questions...
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      • Profile picture of the author tlangdon
        Hi, Really it is actually working for you. Can you explain what you do exactly to generate this profit? Do you literally blog a lot about anything and lead people to your website that way?
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  • Profile picture of the author stevet563
    Dave Wood and Dave Sharpe started the company because they wanted the little guy to also be successful. Dave Wood was already successful and saw in the industry that there was a group of people who did things in a certain way that made them get their results.

    The company is the fastest growing in the industry, paying out over $40,000,000 in one year. This is to people who have never made a dime on the internet before. The stories are there if you look. Where else can you get 100% commissions on top selling high ticket products that people need and want?

    No where. That's it Period.

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    Come join me and let's build this thing.

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  • Profile picture of the author gurokevin
    When you set up your blog under Empower Network, does it have to be a certain type of blog (ie: online marketing, etc.) Or can it be a blog on anything?
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  • Profile picture of the author gurokevin
    an what do you do if you already have a blog?
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    • Profile picture of the author Datingport
      Originally Posted by gurokevin View Post

      When you set up your blog under Empower Network, does it have to be a certain type of blog (ie: online marketing, etc.) Or can it be a blog on anything?
      Originally Posted by gurokevin View Post

      an what do you do if you already have a blog?
      It can be about anything you like. I see blogs on there ranging from cars to perfume so you can write about any subject.

      Also I have quite a few blogs of my own that are subject specific. On my sports blogs I just link to my empower blog in the blogroll, On my online marketing Blog, I posted a few articles on the empower network and also linked to some of the posts I have there. I still write regular articles that have nothing to do with empower but I think them all together for SEO purposes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Datingport
    Originally Posted by successproducts View Post

    Empower Network sells a dream -- they really sell nothing - but you make money because their videos really really converts. So if you join and know half of what you know as Internet Marketer you probably will make money. So if anything study their video really well - it says all the right stuffs and so people will buy. Also having a blog and post something about your life creates a kind of trust and bang -- people will sign up under you. Good business model actually.
    I never really got into any MLM or any other type of marketing that involves selling "training" or otherwise. I usually keep an eye out for that stuff. But I have to hand it to Empower network. They have the best sales tools - Hands Down. So much so that I actually signed up. If I can't make money off this I shouldn't be doing what I do.

    Sorry Gavin but I got in under someone else.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nvsjewelry
    I'm a member for little over a week. Ive researched Internet marketing and am just trying to understand everything without being so overwhelmed. I joined to be part o something and if its selling a dream then so be it because I'm learning what I have been trying to learn now for years. I'm excited that other in my group wantvto help me succeed in the process.
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  • Profile picture of the author tomtommarketing
    To be honest I'm quite sick of hearing about Empower Network. I find Empower Network blogs at the top of Google targeting program reviews all the time and the content (despite what Google thinks) is garbage. They train their members to rank articles hosted on the Empower Wordpress blog platform in hopes of siphoning off clicks to the Empower Network banners on the side of the blog. Don't waste your $25 as Empower Network should be dead soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Southernstorm
      Originally Posted by tomtommarketing View Post

      To be honest I'm quite sick of hearing about Empower Network. I find Empower Network blogs at the top of Google targeting program reviews all the time and the content (despite what Google thinks) is garbage. They train their members to rank articles hosted on the Empower Wordpress blog platform in hopes of siphoning off clicks to the Empower Network banners on the side of the blog. Don't waste your $25 as Empower Network should be dead soon.
      My question to you:
      Have you made any money from anything else? If so, then please tell us all about it. I'm sure everyone will follow you if you have something better than EN.

      And just so you know, I am part of EN as well - it took me more than a year to make the decision to join, and I'm glad I did because I have joined the most powerful group of them all. If I don't make at least $5,000 a month in less than 3 months from now, I will be in shock.
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    • Profile picture of the author getsometraffic
      I have wasted 300 dollars signing up and was promised all this and that and never made any money back.. i spent another couple hundred trying to get traffic to there squeeze page and still ended up empty handed.. So its a give or take .. I believe this system is getting dried up..


      Originally Posted by tomtommarketing View Post

      To be honest I'm quite sick of hearing about Empower Network. I find Empower Network blogs at the top of Google targeting program reviews all the time and the content (despite what Google thinks) is garbage. They train their members to rank articles hosted on the Empower Wordpress blog platform in hopes of siphoning off clicks to the Empower Network banners on the side of the blog. Don't waste your $25 as Empower Network should be dead soon.
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      • Profile picture of the author cyberma
        First thing EN teaches is to blog every single day. I am not sure if anybody can create a high quality content every day. If a person starts producing a lot garbage, all audience is gone soon. Who wants to read pointless blog posts?

        I attended a so called webinar of EN. For an hour, they just interviewed people present there how much money they earn. And what I learnt from the webinar was, that to make $1,000,000 a year, you just need to do $3,000 a day. Wow, who in a world would say that?

        In my opinion all the initial EN videos are just crap without any useful information. Just a loot of talking and attempt to create a cult.

        I think EN could have been profitable for many people at the beginning, but now, because it is a pyramid, it is more and more difficult to chase new people to buy the EN products. Mathematically, how many people can buy $4,000 product? I don't think there are millions of them.


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        • Profile picture of the author longterm62
          Originally Posted by cyberma View Post

          First thing EN teaches is to blog every single day. I am not sure if anybody can create a high quality content every day. If a person starts producing a lot garbage, all audience is gone soon. Who wants to read pointless blog posts?

          I attended a so called webinar of EN. For an hour, they just interviewed people present there how much money they earn. And what I learnt from the webinar was, that to make $1,000,000 a year, you just need to do $3,000 a day. Wow, who in a world would say that?

          In my opinion all the initial EN videos are just crap without any useful information. Just a loot of talking and attempt to create a cult.

          I think EN could have been profitable for many people at the beginning, but now, because it is a pyramid, it is more and more difficult to chase new people to buy the EN products. Mathematically, how many people can buy $4,000 product? I don't think there are millions of them.


          I am not sure, if you have seen this video, but I cannot stop laughing when I see it Enjoy

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        • Profile picture of the author heavysm
          Originally Posted by cyberma View Post

          I am not sure, if you have seen this video, but I cannot stop laughing when I see it Enjoy

          SCAM UNIVERSE - YouTube
          LOL at least one of the better known 7 figure marketers knows crap when he sees it. It left a bad taste in my mouth to see marketers like Vick Strizheus jump on board.

          It's like you want to think they have good intentions, but then you see them associate with programs EN. Marketers like Vick only do so well because of the bonuses they attach to their offers (his high traffic academy was a huge hit obviously).
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  • Profile picture of the author axel40
    Does any one know if it is possible to avoid using your true name for the web site hosting etc. on EN and instead use a penname.
    If you for any reason do not want to be found in this connection on search engines...
    Important for me anyhow !
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    • Profile picture of the author NinjaTech
      Originally Posted by axel40 View Post

      Does any one know if it is possible to avoid using your true name for the web site hosting etc. on EN and instead use a penname.
      If you for any reason do not want to be found in this connection on search engines...
      Important for me anyhow !
      Yeah Man its easy to change your name just login on the admin profile page at the top right click profile delete your first name and put anything you want on the last name. Also on the wordpress blog section you put you name in the profile just like any wordpress setup.
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  • Profile picture of the author yesucandoit
    It is hillarious that people are willing to pay $25 a month for a free blog, $100 a month for motivational speaking and $1,600 for a outdated seo course that who knows how many people are using. Do people still believe they can outsmart a multi billion dollar company?

    You think the share holders paying $600 a share will put up with some punks doing this.

    This program has cult and suckers written all over it.

    Oh yeah this David wood guy use to live in a van with no im experience lol

    Get real folks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Datingport
      For those who are knocking Empower,

      Sure you're sick of hearing about them.
      Sure its a wordpress blog. I have a few myself that I built for free.
      Maybe they're selling a dream......
      And I really don't think he lived in a van either.

      But like I said earlier, They have killer sales tools. That's what sells it.
      I joined on the 11th, I made my first sale today.
      I have no list.

      I'm not really a blogger, I'm more adult oriented but I have a few satellite sites that aren't adult.

      Needless to say, My network was doing just fine without Empower. It's just another tool in my arsenal to make money. I just integrated it into my network and it's on autopilot already. Now I write my normal article for MY blog, or Squidoo like I normally do, wait a day or two, spin it and post it back on Empower's blog. Time spent? 3 minutes for working on my Empower blog.
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      • Profile picture of the author yesucandoit
        Originally Posted by Datingport View Post

        For those who are knocking Empower,

        Sure you're sick of hearing about them.
        Sure its a wordpress blog. I have a few myself that I built for free.
        Maybe they're selling a dream......
        And I really don't think he lived in a van either.

        But like I said earlier, They have killer sales tools. That's what sells it.
        I joined on the 11th, I made my first sale today.
        I have no list.

        I'm not really a blogger, I'm more adult oriented but I have a few satellite sites that aren't adult.

        Needless to say, My network was doing just fine without Empower. It's just another tool in my arsenal to make money. I just integrated it into my network and it's on autopilot already. Now I write my normal article for MY blog, or Squidoo like I normally do, wait a day or two, spin it and post it back on Empower's blog. Time spent? 3 minutes for working on my Empower blog.

        Killer sales tools?

        Based on pipe dreams?

        The funny part is they are getting branded by others money lol and making $19.95 a month for customer support and a payment processor which you pay a fee per transaction on top of that.

        Everyone is different I just like to sleep well at night knowing I haven't taken someone hard earned money and sold them a pipe dream or got them to pay for something that is free.

        All the top earners where former marketers and had the inside leg on this opportunity. Yet they create the Illusion.

        They create the illusion they where just "normal just like you and I" lol

        How can anyone support or promote a company that has an event called "release your inner bad ass?"

        Again the cult mentality do and not think.

        Anything for a buck I guess for some. I guess they have to justify paying $1,600 for an outdated seo course.

        Gee I wonder if the empower biz op guy wives know that they did that.

        Frying pans would be flying off the local store shelves onto the hubbies heads.
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        • A note to Empower peddlers - if you want to go even further down this road (in search of ruthlessly "killer" tactics with amazing conversion rates), why don't you go to your nearest kindergarten playground and offer to trade the little kiddies "a great BIG nickel!" for each of their "little bitty dimes." You'll double your money, and sleep like a baby.

          Thank me later.
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          • Profile picture of the author earlcash
            LOL Very funny , I have been with Empower for 18 months and have done very well,
            along with my team. That is all i have to say. Join for $25 blog every day.That is it
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          • Profile picture of the author Walters
            Originally Posted by Salesmanship In Print View Post

            A note to Empower peddlers - if you want to go even further down this road (in search of ruthlessly "killer" tactics with amazing conversion rates), why don't you go to your nearest kindergarten playground and offer to trade the little kiddies "a great BIG nickel!" for each of their "little bitty dimes." You'll double your money, and sleep like a baby.

            Thank me later.
            I laughed my axx off. I don't believe in this Empower Network MLM Scheme, I would advice anyone I know to stay away from it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnc1
      ok yesucandoit... what IM program/tool do you suggest for IM/Affiliate newbie with lots of internet/site experience willing to put the real grunt work into making a living at home choosing his own hours... albeit long ones????
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt@viewswin
      Did you all not read the first post of the thread. EN is rubbish, you can make money beating up old ladies and stealing their handbags, but you don't because its un ethical. EN is the same
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      • Profile picture of the author Saintsfan40
        Originally Posted by Kurt@viewswin View Post

        Did you all not read the first post of the thread. EN is rubbish, you can make money beating up old ladies and stealing their handbags, but you don't because its un ethical. EN is the same
        Agreed. It's unethical and a worthless hyped up piece of shit pipe dream. Same results, only the top few circle jerkers make money where the rest struggle to even make a dime.
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  • Profile picture of the author CoachManny
    IMO if it is not allowed on Facebook that tells me there is something wrong with it.

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  • Profile picture of the author matchoo77
    This group definitely has harnessed the power of a MASSIVE JV force....I saw a guy who isn't even accepting solo ads for this product anymore (probably due to so many ppl trying to promote it)
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  • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Veritas
    Yeah, I've heard some good things about Empower Network. Seems like a good number of big name IMer's are in it. And from what I hear, it's teaches you some good marketing and how to use IM tools. The potential to make a good money is there too. I think one of the main problems with this MLM system is a result of one of it's strengths. What I mean by that is that it looks good to have all those big name IMer's in it, but that's exactly what will make it very difficult for the newbie to average experience IMer.

    I think the competition is just too stiff more most. I really like the idea of residual income involved in MLM business structures, but when it gets saturated, it becomes tough to get much out of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert02011
    I was in empower network and got no traffic from the blog they gave me after being in for a month i quit and went back to my own blogs where i have more success.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
    Hey Marc,

    It's a great system for people who want to be affiliate marketers.

    However I wouldn't recommend it if you want to build an MLM business.
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    • Profile picture of the author boknows
      Hey David,

      What system do you recommend to build your MLM business? I signed up with Isagenix and it is going great and I want to keep on expanding. Which of course is the name of the game.

      Any help in doing this online would be appreciated.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    EN is the real deal guys. 100% commission which is great, and honestly - the things you learn - you can use to sell and market ANYTHING. Friend of mine signed up and made $3000 this month or so (he's brand new) to the Empower Network

    I'm going in at level 2 in empower today, the person that referred me to empower i VERY much trust and he's Just under one of the higher ups- which gives me (and my people) access to his stuff and even the OWNERS site and training.

    No scam at all, just do what they teach you and don't be afraid to put yourself out there.

    I would not be going in if I didn't trust this person.
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    • Profile picture of the author trswitch
      Do you have to pay $25 PLUS $19.95/month to earn the commission for promoting EN itself?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
        Originally Posted by trswitch View Post

        Do you have to pay $25 PLUS $19.95/month to earn the commission for promoting EN itself?
        Yes.

        You need to pay eWallet $19.95/mth to receive payments because no other payment processor will go near them.

        And you need to pay EmpowerNetwork $25/mth for membership.
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        • Profile picture of the author trswitch
          Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

          Yes.

          You need to pay eWallet $19.95/mth to receive payments because no other payment processor will go near them.

          And you need to pay EmpowerNetwork $25/mth for membership.
          Thanks a lot!
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        • Profile picture of the author TextRock
          Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

          Yes.

          You need to pay eWallet $19.95/mth to receive payments because no other payment processor will go near them.

          And you need to pay EmpowerNetwork $25/mth for membership.
          You can also use authorize.net, I'm not in EN but the facts are not hard to find. Might do some research before you post incorrect information.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
            Originally Posted by TextRock View Post

            You can also use authorize.net, I'm not in EN but the facts are not hard to find. Might do some research before you post incorrect information.
            No...you can't use Authorize.net.

            Authorize.net Removed From Payment Processor - Copyright © Empower Network, LLC

            As I predicted, they're losing processors quickly. It's just a matter of time.
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            • Profile picture of the author TextRock
              Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

              No...you can't use Authorize.net.

              Authorize.net Removed From Payment Processor - Copyright © Empower Network, LLC

              As I predicted, they're losing processors quickly. It's just a matter of time.
              Thanks for the information Perez, I do have to point out that at the time of your post 11-21-2012 authorize.net was still in use on EN it was not until 12-1-2012 was it announced that it would no longer be able to be used. But it looks like I should have done more research at the time of my post too lol!
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  • Profile picture of the author SeasideMarketer
    Would you recommend Empower Network to your family and friends? No - that should be the litmus test
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    • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
      Originally Posted by SeasideMarketer View Post

      Would you recommend Empower Network to your family and friends? No - that should be the litmus test
      I would, in fact I did. I referred my brother two days ago and he has already referred 10 people, of which I received the commission from the 2nd, 4th and 6th sale.

      There is nothing wrong with Empower Network, at all.

      If you put in the work, you will see results.

      The main problem I see with people joining Empower Network, is that they join, do a few blog posts then quit.

      Dedicate yourself at least one solid hour per day working on it at first. Don't just stick to posting on your Empower Network blog, use other avenues as well.

      Also, dont just promote Empower Network on your blog. I recommend using affiliate networks like Amazon and writing a product review. Less competition, and your blog will naturally rank quite well due to the authority it contains.
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      • Profile picture of the author SeasideMarketer
        Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post

        I would, in fact I did. I referred my brother two days ago and he has already referred 10 people, of which I received the commission from the 2nd, 4th and 6th sale.

        There is nothing wrong with Empower Network, at all.

        If you put in the work, you will see results.

        The main problem I see with people joining Empower Network, is that they join, do a few blog posts then quit.

        Dedicate yourself at least one solid hour per day working on it at first. Don't just stick to posting on your Empower Network blog, use other avenues as well.

        Also, dont just promote Empower Network on your blog. I recommend using affiliate networks like Amazon and writing a product review. Less competition, and your blog will naturally rank quite well due to the authority it contains.
        The sole purpose of Empower Network is to get members to recruit new members who in turn recruit new members...and so on and so forth

        Therefore it's MLM.

        So what is the product? If there is a product (the blog) it is something directly linked to the financial opportunity.

        Sure you can make money with it... but hey you can make doing a ponzi scheme - doesn't make it right.

        It'll be shut down soon enough

        Have a read off this

        Empower Network Scam or Legit? | Adventures in Self-Publishing & Making Online Income
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        • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
          Originally Posted by SeasideMarketer View Post

          The sole purpose of Empower Network is to get members to recruit new members who in turn recruit new members...and so on and so forth

          Therefore it's MLM.

          So what is the product? If there is a product (the blog) it is something directly linked to the financial opportunity.

          Sure you can make money with it... but hey you can make doing a ponzi scheme - doesn't make it right.

          It'll be shut down soon enough

          Have a read off this

          Empower Network Scam or Legit? | Adventures in Self-Publishing & Making Online Income
          There are four products actually, and it's mostly training. And no, it's not training on how to sell Empower Network to others.

          And also no, it's not a Ponzi Scheme either.

          A lot of doubters, but I guarantee if you get in, you will change your mind.

          How do I know?

          Because I stayed away from it for months, then eventually I got in about a week ago.

          The training is solid, and it's a great way to make money, so yeah I was a 'doubter' but now I have been converted.

          I'm not going to get into a huge discussion over it, but i don't really think you can judge it from the outside.
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          • Profile picture of the author SeasideMarketer
            Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post

            There are four products actually, and it's mostly training. And no, it's not training on how to sell Empower Network to others.

            And also no, it's not a Ponzi Scheme either.

            A lot of doubters, but I guarantee if you get in, you will change your mind.

            How do I know?

            Because I stayed away from it for months, then eventually I got in about a week ago.

            The training is solid, and it's a great way to make money, so yeah I was a 'doubter' but now I have been converted.

            I'm not going to get into a huge discussion over it, but i don't really think you can judge it from the outside.
            Yes, but the products are related to the financial opportunity - you want your downline to buy these products.

            Everyone is encouraged to buy all the products because that way everyone makes and is entitled to more money.

            And the fact you say ''you can't judge it from the outside'' and ''once you get in you'll change your mind'' is something that many less than respectable mlm's peddle.

            Either way, good luck with it
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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            Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post

            There are four products actually, and it's mostly training. And no, it's not training on how to sell Empower Network to others.

            And also no, it's not a Ponzi Scheme either.

            A lot of doubters, but I guarantee if you get in, you will change your mind.

            How do I know?

            Because I stayed away from it for months, then eventually I got in about a week ago.

            The training is solid, and it's a great way to make money, so yeah I was a 'doubter' but now I have been converted.

            I'm not going to get into a huge discussion over it, but i don't really think you can judge it from the outside.
            Ditto on that. I got in last night after being an doubter

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            • Profile picture of the author awww1some
              I am getting in as well. I worked another mlm for 2 weeks signing up two people and earned $5000 per month for 1 year. Some greedy distributers killed it 1 year after I got in. I worked for one more week and took the rest of the year off.
              The people knocking EN were already against it. When they review it they are looking for negativity. Look at the Brick and mortar business models. In two years you will be gone, unless you are a franchise. But look at the start up costs to get a franchise.
              I know of many, many, many, people who are average and making a good living after just a few weeks. The secret is they really want to make it and do not give up. they get all the support they need.
              It is not a scam or illegal pyramid. No cool aid here. Will it last forever. Hell no!
              You can still learn to market from the pros. You can then succeed at anything else when it is gone. Look how many people were Google slapped. I could come up with many other examples. Does it make Google a scam? Are people still making money.
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            • Profile picture of the author Lori Willis
              Hi, I've been in EN for almost a year now and have really loved what I've learned. I have my degree in Journalism & Marketing with a focus in advertising, because the world of "marketing & advertising" has changed Soooooo much since 2000 when I graduated, I can honestly say Empower has given me more up to date info on how to market my business in todays world than my own College Education gave me! I also noticed today, that i'm only being charged $19.95 per month and I still have access to my blog and my inner circle audios. I thought it was a monthly fee.... but I'm not getting charged monthly. This could be a glitch, but I hope not Best of Wishes on your decision

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          • As I have said elsewhere it depends on what you like.

            The sales copy is very well put together and pulls all the right emotional triggers. But, take away all the hype and rationalisation and you will find Empower Network is simply an MLM business using IM products as it's operational cash flow.

            I was in MLM for a decade and did very well - Empower fits the mould perfectly! But hey, at the end of the day it is about "convincing" people - and 9 times out of 10 you convince the wrong people. So then you have to convince them to do something.............................

            Look at the structure, look at what you are "advised" to do, look at the required investment(s), look at the different levels, listen carefully to the nature and content of the videos, especially the videos of the (carefully managed) home meetings and then try and tell me it is not MLM.

            It might be something that attracts you, it might be something that rings alarm bells.

            From my business journey to date, several decades, it rings alarm bells.

            Cheers
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            • Profile picture of the author briancouch85
              Originally Posted by Michael Field-Dodgson View Post

              As I have said elsewhere it depends on what you like.

              The sales copy is very well put together and pulls all the right emotional triggers. But, take away all the hype and rationalisation and you will find Empower Network is simply an MLM business using IM products as it's operational cash flow.

              I was in MLM for a decade and did very well - Empower fits the mould perfectly! But hey, at the end of the day it is about "convincing" people - and 9 times out of 10 you convince the wrong people. So then you have to convince them to do something.............................

              Look at the structure, look at what you are "advised" to do, look at the required investment(s), look at the different levels, listen carefully to the nature and content of the videos, especially the videos of the (carefully managed) home meetings and then try and tell me it is not MLM.

              It might be something that attracts you, it might be something that rings alarm bells.

              From my business journey to date, several decades, it rings alarm bells.

              Cheers
              I would agree with most of what you are saying. Main difference I'd like to bring up is that with most mlm's the payout is arond 55%, not 100% so there's more money being made. Additionally, most mlms have relatively easy to find competition in the traditional market place that is much cheaper. I wouldn't say that's necessarily true in IM.
              As for having to "convince" people, In MLM I had to convince people to meet me somewhere, then convince them to join. With Empower you just have to convince them to click a link. As for convincing the wrong people to do something, that's the system's job, you just keep focusing on convincing more to click the link to the sales funnel. Whats truely different about empower though is the culture of time and financial freedom through leveraging systems.
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            • Profile picture of the author getrichinfo
              Originally Posted by Michael Field-Dodgson View Post

              As I have said elsewhere it depends on what you like.


              I was in MLM for a decade and did very well - Empower fits the mould perfectly! But hey, at the end of the day it is about "convincing" people - and 9 times out of 10 you convince the wrong people. So then you have to convince them to do something.............................


              Cheers
              One top MLM leader say " you don't "convince" people to join you" Those who are skeptical will avoid it, not matter what you say. So you only explain to people who are interested.

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              • Profile picture of the author StrongVitality
                I don't understand why people are so skeptical.

                It's not a pyramid scheme since the products have
                extremely low refund rates. But hey, aren't all
                offline jobs "pyramids" anyways? Think about that...

                In my personal opinion, I'd never be where I'm at today
                because of going all in and absorbing myself into the products and training.
                I truly believe the training within Empower Network is the only reason
                why I've made my first sales within my first month of joining.

                I'm not only making sales in empower network,
                but also in other platforms I promote.
                Building my list, thanks to shaqir husseyin haha
                His 15k formula solo ad training is top notch.

                I really could go on and on but I don't want to bore you.
                The fact of the matter is whether you make money with
                Empower Network or not, it's the only place you'll get
                the training they offer.

                Which is extremely powerful...
                Doesn't it make sense to just pay a one
                time fee of $1500 to actually learn advanced techniques
                you can use the rest of your IM career...

                Instead of buying product after product,
                paying for personal coaching sessions,
                wasting your time looking for the secret (there isn't one, but keep paying for the promise that there is if you want to)
                wasting your time not knowing what to do,
                etc.
                etc.
                etc.

                Hopefully I've helped some of you here?

                To your success,
                Tim
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          • Profile picture of the author rickwill71
            i think it's a good product, but it's like anything don't abuse it
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          • Profile picture of the author lordkensal
            I have to agree with Josh - I stayed away for ages - as I wasn't sure exactly what it was. But when I start seeing other internet marketers making money with it (including my own Internet Marketing Bootcamp students) I just had to take another look. I asked around, did more research - but you know what. Best research is to just jump in and try it (if only for 30 days) - after all what is $25 Basic Members +$19 to be an affiliate - if I can't make that back in a month then, it is just not worth it. (and you get a decent blogging platform)

            So I jumped in. I made my investment back within the first week (you only need 3 commissions to cover all your expenses) - regretted not upgrading immediately, as I saw bigger commissions pass me by (over $1500 worth - because I delayed upgrading!).
            Upgraded to Inner Circle - now I earn $125 month commission if someone signs up to the Inner Circle.
            The training in the Inner Circle is much more broad than just selling the EN, it is about motivation, how to sell, how to sell honestly - and can be applied to any business.
            Look guys - this is relatively easy way to make money online.
            You can decide that it is NOT for you - and do nothing, and earn NOTHING
            or - You can decide that you would quite like another monthly income stream
            People DO make money from this - so why shouldn't you.
            It is that simple.
            Don't procrastinate - give it a go for a month - if you haven't covered all your costs in 30 days, then, hey - perhaps it is not for you!
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          • Profile picture of the author lizn32
            I asked for a refund as money was taken twice out of my account by mistake and they refused. This business disempowers rather than empowers people. It is appauling for newbies. They only care about those with a lot of money.Please don't join if you are a newbie!
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            • Profile picture of the author Saintsfan40
              Originally Posted by lizn32 View Post

              I asked for a refund as money was taken twice out of my account by mistake and they refused. This business disempowers rather than empowers people. It is appauling for newbies. They only care about those with a lot of money.Please don't join if you are a newbie!
              The bottom line is that they don't care about anyone or anything except taking your hard earned money. I wouldn't recommend Empower to beginners or any level. They're training techniques on how to hypnotize and brainwash people into joining. That right there is evil and downright scary.

              Avoid Empower like the Plague!
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              • Profile picture of the author Gabriel75us
                Originally Posted by Saintsfan40 View Post

                The bottom line is that they don't care about anyone or anything except taking your hard earned money. I wouldn't recommend Empower to beginners or any level. They're training techniques on how to hypnotize and brainwash people into joining. That right there is evil and downright scary.

                Avoid Empower like the Plague!
                Wow. I'm sorry to hear about what happened there and we're all entitled to our opinions, of course, but I will have to disagree with this post completely.

                As previously posted:

                If you do a little homework on the company and its founders and all checks out okay, you believe in the product, you feel that the market will respond favorably to it, and you are ready to do some work, then have at it!

                As with any business doors can close on anybody for a number of reasons... Diversify no matter who you're with. This is business 101.

                Some companies don't allow you to be involved with other mlms simultaneously - and that's my first question. If that's the case, then bye, bye as far as I'm concerned.

                I am involved with one company that puts a cap on how far you can climb, but that's cool. Their health product is awesome and it's mostly about the product for me with them anyway...

                As far as Empower Network is concerned, I think that the system and the company culture is great! I'm not making anything worth bragging about yet, but I have internally turned a corner because of their empowering audios...

                If you're a newbie and especially you're kind-of spinning your wheels in online marketing or mlm then there is probably something that you have to work out with your mindset, your DMO, systems, or all of the above and Empower is a good place to get your head straight - at least it was for me.

                This said, you will need to join at the inner circle level which is the $100/month level. Totally worth it and there's new content coming out 3 (minimum) if not 4 times a month!

                Treat it like a business, do the math, and don't be afraid of a little overhead - especially if it makes you or your business better!

                It's a must have tool to keep focused and your people focused and motivated.

                Hope this helped!
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              • Profile picture of the author Southernstorm
                Originally Posted by Saintsfan40 View Post

                The bottom line is that they don't care about anyone or anything except taking your hard earned money. I wouldn't recommend Empower to beginners or any level. They're training techniques on how to hypnotize and brainwash people into joining. That right there is evil and downright scary.

                Avoid Empower like the Plague!
                Well said - 100% correct!
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        • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
          Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

          How is it ponzi?


          The way I see it, it's a high ticket affiliate program with one helluva high-converting sales funnel. Sure, you can also recruit others too, but you'll only get 20% of their sales. You don't have to recruit.

          I don't think the blog network is high authority though. Sure, it may be 500 on Alexa but when was the last time you saw Empower ranking on Google page one for any terms? I'd never come across the site until I looked it up specifically.
          I am not sure where you get the idea it is a helluva high-converting sales funnel? David Wood himself, said you would need 100 people opting in per day in order to make two $25 sales.

          It is interesting what you say about their blog though as they promote that as one of the main reasons they charge $25 per month.
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          • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
            Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

            Yes but consider how many people upgrade. From what I understand, something like half will upgrade to the $100/month level.

            Maybe he is being a little humble with his stats. Something as big as this has obviously been tested like crazy. The landing pages are fantastic, as is the video.

            Yes, I'm currently trying some keyword experiments to see what kind of pulling power the blog has but its not as strong as, say, Livestrong, for example. The default template is very good though. Again, you can see that they have clearly worked on conversion with the banner design and templates.

            In terms of "blog every day and make money" message that some are saying, I don't think this is true if you want the big money. Looking at the blogs of those on the leaderboard, they are nothing special. They are clearly getting their leads some other way.

            But the way I see it, even if someone leaves after 6 months and has spent > $500, they still get one helluva marketing education. The materials are REALLY good. And the claims made about the program are nowhere near as outlandish as those made in WSOs.

            That's why I don't understand all the negativity towards Empower Network. It's like many people are automatically against it. And yet it is more honest than 99% of IM programs out there. Haven't counted but I think there's something like >100 hours of training material there. Way more than I saw in Wealthy Affiliate, for example.
            Yes, they say 40% up grade, but the nine who I brought in, none of them up graded.

            If the actual Empower Network landing pages are that fantastic, why are so many including all the top earners part of simple2advertise?

            Most of us know that the majority of WSO's are simply a way to take money from the naive, which I think is a far enough comparison.

            I for one am not against Empower Network, however it is not as simple to make money as many in Empower Network would have you believe. For example, David Sharpe says you should do a solo ad each day for Empower Network, however most Solo ad providers won't accept ad's any more as they have been saturated with people wanting to promote Empower Network.

            I can't really compare to other similar affiliate programs out there apart from dot com secrets x which gives a lot more value as far as marketing goes then Empower Network, unless you are all in as they like to call it.
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            • With systems such as Empower, if the law didn't require them to include 'products' to make it legal, they wouldn't bother to offer any (they exist only to avoid the legal definition of a 'scheme'). The 'products' are only placeholders. In other words, the products could just as well be various sized sacks of cow manure, as long as they hit the price points that make sense from a marketing perspective (low, med, high - to keep enough money floating around to attract more flies).

              The object of the game is to get prospects to look at the 'high-converting' sales funnel and say to themselves "Gee, if I would pay this much for sacks of cow manure, SURELY I could find others who would do likewise!" And thus the 'circle jerk' cycle begins...

              The only question is how much 'jerking' you will do before you get sick of peddling manure, and then get off the merry-go-round. Oh sure, some will 'make a lot of money!' Well...congratulations! Let me slap you on the back and buy you a big fat cigar.

              My only question is...what will you be willing to do NEXT TIME you get a whiff of money?
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              • Profile picture of the author passiveincomebiz
                Spot on -- hit the nail on the head there mate

                Originally Posted by Salesmanship In Print View Post

                With systems such as Empower, if the law didn't require them to include 'products' to make it legal, they wouldn't bother to offer any (they exist only to avoid the legal definition of a 'scheme'). The 'products' are only placeholders. In other words, the products could just as well be various sized sacks of cow manure, as long as they hit the price points that make sense from a marketing perspective (low, med, high - to keep enough money floating around to attract more flies).

                The object of the game is to get prospects to look at the 'high-converting' sales funnel and say to themselves "Gee, if I would pay this much for sacks of cow manure, SURELY I could find others who would do likewise!" And thus the 'circle jerk' cycle begins...

                The only question is how much 'jerking' you will do before you get sick of peddling manure, and then get off the merry-go-round. Oh sure, some will 'make a lot of money!' Well...congratulations! Let me slap you on the back and buy you a big fat cigar.

                My only question is...what will you be willing to do NEXT TIME you get a whiff of money?
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                • Profile picture of the author smak
                  Hi

                  This one specifically goes out to EN members.

                  Can you clear my confusion as to what exactly websites yu use to promote EN? Is it that you use the $25 blog that everyone gets with starter package.

                  Personally I feel that blog does not really showcase the biz opp side of EN very well - moneymaking potential of EN gets a little lost in the background amidst all the text and lenghty videos.

                  So is there a standalone website that specifically promotes the biz and focuses on the money making side of EN (with shorter and more interesting videos rather than 2 guys waffling for endless time). And what about the lead capture side of things - would love to see some sample EN squeeze pages.

                  I prefer having checked these sites before joining. So it will be appreciated if existing EN members can pm me with links of webpages they use to promote EN.

                  Cheers.
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                  • Profile picture of the author swriviera
                    I really find this all very amusing.

                    Have any of you promoted an affiliate product with recurring payments?

                    Honestly, how is this different?

                    With affiliate marketing people send out tons of emails or ads to get people to "join" ... I mean "buy". And if it is a product with a recurring payment it is like "joining" a club. And depending on which product you buy (join) you usually pay just to be able to continue to have access to the membership site - that NEVER changes!!! (That is a common rip-off). There are others out there that give you continuing training for your monthly payment - there are a few good ones out there!!

                    Most internet marketers are sending you tons of emails to buy this or that product ONLY based on the commissions they will get - they haven't even purchased the product to see what it really is!!!!
                    How about all of the phoney "reviews" people put on their websites for all of the clickbank products or WSO's. Most of the reviews are only based on what the vendor provided on the JV page. Tell me, how is THAT ethical?


                    The Empower Network uses all of the same marketing techniques that any internet marketer uses - there is not just ONE site. It is up to you if you prefer free or paid methods (or a mix).

                    There is one HUGE difference with promoting the Empower Network as compared to almost any other product is that you MUST purchase the product to be able to promote it. Internet Marketing has gotten so much out of control that I truly think that more products should be like that.

                    The advantage of the the blog is that

                    - you don't need to bother with the technical aspects of setting up a blog. This is one step that keeps many people from getting started and
                    - you can write articles on a blog that is ranking very high. If you do your keyword research correctly AND you promote it like you would any other blogpost (social networks, web 2.0, paid advertising etc etc) you are even more likely to rank very high MUCH faster.
                    - you can use the blog to promote YOUR "other" business - whatever it is.

                    The Empower Network IS an affiliate program with good training. It is not the only one, but, in my humble opinion, it is a good one.

                    What most people seem to be afraid of is that the founders come from a MLM background. In so many of their trainings they tell you how much the simple MLM system did NOT work for them that is why they created something different!!!

                    Have a great day!!

                    Sandra Walsh

                    P.S. I'm putting up a web site very soon where I can give you a list of different products I have tested. Many have recurring payments others don't. Some have "continuing education", others don't.
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                    • Profile picture of the author tlangdon
                      Hi, So what is your website?



                      Originally Posted by swriviera View Post

                      I really find this all very amusing.

                      Have any of you promoted an affiliate product with recurring payments?

                      Honestly, how is this different?

                      With affiliate marketing people send out tons of emails or ads to get people to "join" ... I mean "buy". And if it is a product with a recurring payment it is like "joining" a club. And depending on which product you buy (join) you usually pay just to be able to continue to have access to the membership site - that NEVER changes!!! (That is a common rip-off). There are others out there that give you continuing training for your monthly payment - there are a few good ones out there!!

                      Most internet marketers are sending you tons of emails to buy this or that product ONLY based on the commissions they will get - they haven't even purchased the product to see what it really is!!!!
                      How about all of the phoney "reviews" people put on their websites for all of the clickbank products or WSO's. Most of the reviews are only based on what the vendor provided on the JV page. Tell me, how is THAT ethical?


                      The Empower Network uses all of the same marketing techniques that any internet marketer uses - there is not just ONE site. It is up to you if you prefer free or paid methods (or a mix).

                      There is one HUGE difference with promoting the Empower Network as compared to almost any other product is that you MUST purchase the product to be able to promote it. Internet Marketing has gotten so much out of control that I truly think that more products should be like that.

                      The advantage of the the blog is that

                      - you don't need to bother with the technical aspects of setting up a blog. This is one step that keeps many people from getting started and
                      - you can write articles on a blog that is ranking very high. If you do your keyword research correctly AND you promote it like you would any other blogpost (social networks, web 2.0, paid advertising etc etc) you are even more likely to rank very high MUCH faster.
                      - you can use the blog to promote YOUR "other" business - whatever it is.

                      The Empower Network IS an affiliate program with good training. It is not the only one, but, in my humble opinion, it is a good one.

                      What most people seem to be afraid of is that the founders come from a MLM background. In so many of their trainings they tell you how much the simple MLM system did NOT work for them that is why they created something different!!!

                      Have a great day!!

                      Sandra Walsh

                      P.S. I'm putting up a web site very soon where I can give you a list of different products I have tested. Many have recurring payments others don't. Some have "continuing education", others don't.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Marian
                      Originally Posted by swriviera View Post


                      The advantage of the the blog is that

                      - you don't need to bother with the technical aspects of setting up a blog. This is one step that keeps many people from getting started and
                      - you can write articles on a blog that is ranking very high. If you do your keyword research correctly AND you promote it like you would any other blogpost (social networks, web 2.0, paid advertising etc etc) you are even more likely to rank very high MUCH faster.
                      - you can use the blog to promote YOUR "other" business - whatever it is.
                      And for all this you DON'T need Empower Network or any other network (except yours if you will)

                      Installing WP is a one-click action, writing articles is obvious, and promoting all I want is obvious as well.

                      Marian
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                      • Profile picture of the author Kev Tomlinson
                        Oh well, my first post on here. You have to start somewhere right?

                        Firstly let me declare my interest in as much as I work from home on a full time basis in Network Marketing (or MLM if you like) and also online marketing. I have been in the MLM field since 1992 and internet marketing or one sort or another since 2004.

                        I'm not going to join the discussion about whether Empower 'works' or not any more than I will get into a discussion about whether MLM works because frankly that is a mute point. People have already succeeded in making money... ipso facto, it works!

                        I do know however that the reason I left the Empower network (after purchasing the $25 a month blog + $20 ish affiliate fee don't forget - and the inner circle membership @ $100 month) hasn't been touched on yet in this forum (unless I missed it) and it might not even be an issue for most, I don't know. However, the reason I will have nothing to do with it is this:

                        Most if not all of you will know that there is an extremely high failure rate in business start ups. Notice I didn't limit that... I said business generically meaning conventional bricks and motor, online, offline, you name it, if you're starting up in business the statistics say that you are more likely to fail that succeed.

                        In MLM online and offline the failure rate is in excess of 90% (Failure for the sake of my point = unable to recoup investment) and in this one instance, just for the sake of brevity, I'm including schemes like Empower under that MLM umbrella simply because the failure rate is similar and I don't type very fast ,

                        Here's the rub! I am fully aware that there are exceptions to this but most traditional MLM companies offer a start up with minimal investment (not including the now extremely rare but once wide spread deplorable practice of front loading of new distributors). Some countries have even legislated to limit this initial cost. Also MOST distributors join MLM companies to try to generate additional funds precisely because they are failing to generate enough income from their jobs or perhaps because they have no jobs and are broke. Please note, I am not pandering to the MLM groupies who will have you believe many already successful people join just for time freedom..If you believe that I have some relics from Atlantis that you might be interested in .

                        Here is a question that I think is interesting about Empower Network in particular and all high ticket GPT (get paid today) companies in general....
                        There are exceptions to every rule but most ethical networkers would agree that frontloading is wrong and unethical in many ways and not least because it is simply a fact that with most networkers failing, frontloading means that many, many networkers would be left with large quantities of product on their hands that they cannot sell ... there are many reasons for this and just as many counter excuses but it does not alter the industry official figures that a massively high percentage of people who join MLM (yes and other types of business too) fail.

                        That being the case what is the difference between old style frontloading and a company like Empower? Empower heavily weights it's front line promotion on massive results from the company's $25 blogging system which is attached to an 'authority domain' etc etc. Then when a recruit joins it massively and quite brilliantly promotes backend up selling to a total of $4625 ($125 +$18 monthly recurring + $4500 outright product purchase) and heavy duty psychology is used to put huge pressure on the new recruit with the message that they are not really part of the gang, they are not really serious etc etc until they are ALL IN having bought all the products. They are constantly exposed to the message that they need to do whatever is necessary to find the funds up front as soon as they can, including maxing out credit cards etc etc. That is not advocated directly but Dave wood very cleverly mentions repeatedly that is what he did in many of the 'training products' and 'mindset training'. The massively heavy up sell is present in nearly everything that Empower produces from the live training calls to ALL the training products themselves.

                        The bottom line is that when people join a 'normal' MLM the chance to make it big is always there but the chance of them failing is very much higher BUT with relatively minimal financial risk.

                        On the other hand, although you wouldn't think it when surfing the net, Empower Network's success stories (and I have no problem in believeing that the vast majority are true) are very much in the minority when taking their whole membership into account and the relatively very small percentage that do find success are either naively, arrogantly or are in denial of the fact that they are surfing on the top of a wave of failures, many of who are left with what is for many of them are massive debts incurred by 'buying into the dream', buying the products and 'getting all in' and then failing as they were always going to do.

                        I like to sleep soundly at night; I for one will stick with the partnership between my primary mlm and my online marketing operations, cheers!
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                        • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
                          @Kev,

                          Very good for a first post.

                          You are absolutely right about the failure rate in MLM been over 90%.

                          People Fail because simply, they don't know HOW to SELL, reluctant to SELL, or are unavailable to SELL. Further, they cannot generate their own Leads - Consistently. For conversational and descriptive purpose, I respectfully categorize this MLM sector as "Amateurs".

                          However there is one company I know of (yes I am a part of it) that is turning it all around because we are simply transferring the Salesmen skills from the Amateurs to the Professionals within the system.

                          As far as I am aware, we are currently the only viable company in the world that comprehensively generates Qualified Leads & Traffic for direct conversions of: Personally Enrolled ("PE") Accounts - and then placing those PE's directly into peoples qualified: 3rd PARTY MLM Downline!

                          Further, in virtually every type of "MLM" structures in any MLM Company, prominent marketing & advertising "Gurus" (even "Donald Trump") rarely benefit anyone directly. With us, all that changes. We are proprietary and its other Top Internet Marketing Gurus and Advertising Professionals around the World will serve, and directly benefit those who join.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Kev Tomlinson
                            Cheers for that David

                            Forgive me if I sound at all jaded here and I am not one to spout on about my record or earnings or how many millions or how many recruits etc etc as I see some do on here and I never will do that because the day I have to rely on my past achievements or income figures to generate traction in a debate on a forum is the day I give it all up I say that simply because for over two decades I have seen them come and seen them go and in all of them I found really excited people promoting genuine revolutionary this or that and enthusiastically evangelising about how their company has a unique plan or has unique products etc.

                            I'm sure your right and I really wish you all the very best with your endevours. However, again with respect, whilst I'm really pleased you have found your business home and it sounds really great, I thought we were going to chat about the Empower Network?
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                        • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
                          Originally Posted by Kev Tomlinson View Post

                          Oh well, my first post on here. You have to start somewhere right?

                          Firstly let me declare my interest in as much as I work from home on a full time basis in Network Marketing (or MLM if you like) and also online marketing. I have been in the MLM field since 1992 and internet marketing or one sort or another since 2004.

                          I'm not going to join the discussion about whether Empower ‘works’ or not any more than I will get into a discussion about whether MLM works because frankly that is a mute point. People have already succeeded in making money... ipso facto, it works!

                          I do know however that the reason I left the Empower network (after purchasing the $25 a month blog + $20 ish affiliate fee don’t forget - and the inner circle membership @ $100 month) hasn't been touched on yet in this forum (unless I missed it) and it might not even be an issue for most, I don't know. However, the reason I will have nothing to do with it is this:

                          Most if not all of you will know that there is an extremely high failure rate in business start ups. Notice I didn't limit that... I said business generically meaning conventional bricks and motor, online, offline, you name it, if you’re starting up in business the statistics say that you are more likely to fail that succeed.

                          In MLM online and offline the failure rate is in excess of 90% (Failure for the sake of my point = unable to recoup investment) and in this one instance, just for the sake of brevity, I’m including schemes like Empower under that MLM umbrella simply because the failure rate is similar and I don’t type very fast ,

                          Here’s the rub! I am fully aware that there are exceptions to this but most traditional MLM companies offer a start up with minimal investment (not including the now extremely rare but once wide spread deplorable practice of front loading of new distributors). Some countries have even legislated to limit this initial cost. Also MOST distributors join MLM companies to try to generate additional funds precisely because they are failing to generate enough income from their jobs or perhaps because they have no jobs and are broke. Please note, I am not pandering to the MLM groupies who will have you believe many already successful people join just for time freedom..If you believe that I have some relics from Atlantis that you might be interested in .

                          Here is a question that I think is interesting about Empower Network in particular and all high ticket GPT (get paid today) companies in general….
                          There are exceptions to every rule but most ethical networkers would agree that frontloading is wrong and unethical in many ways and not least because it is simply a fact that with most networkers failing, frontloading means that many, many networkers would be left with large quantities of product on their hands that they cannot sell ... there are many reasons for this and just as many counter excuses but it does not alter the industry official figures that a massively high percentage of people who join MLM (yes and other types of business too) fail.

                          That being the case what is the difference between old style frontloading and a company like Empower? Empower heavily weights it’s front line promotion on massive results from the company’s $25 blogging system which is attached to an ‘authority domain’ etc etc. Then when a recruit joins it massively and quite brilliantly promotes backend up selling to a total of $4625 ($125 +$18 monthly recurring + $4500 outright product purchase) and heavy duty psychology is used to put huge pressure on the new recruit with the message that they are not really part of the gang, they are not really serious etc etc until they are ALL IN having bought all the products. They are constantly exposed to the message that they need to do whatever is necessary to find the funds up front as soon as they can, including maxing out credit cards etc etc. That is not advocated directly but Dave wood very cleverly mentions repeatedly that is what he did in many of the ‘training products’ and ‘mindset training’. The massively heavy up sell is present in nearly everything that Empower produces from the live training calls to ALL the training products themselves.

                          The bottom line is that when people join a ‘normal’ MLM the chance to make it big is always there but the chance of them failing is very much higher BUT with relatively minimal financial risk.

                          On the other hand, although you wouldn’t think it when surfing the net, Empower Network’s success stories (and I have no problem in believeing that the vast majority are true) are very much in the minority when taking their whole membership into account and the relatively very small percentage that do find success are either naively, arrogantly or are in denial of the fact that they are surfing on the top of a wave of failures, many of who are left with what is for many of them are massive debts incurred by ‘buying into the dream’, buying the products and ‘getting all in’ and then failing as they were always going to do.

                          I like to sleep soundly at night; I for one will stick with the partnership between my primary mlm and my online marketing operations, cheers!
                          Great post, and great addition to the discussion.

                          I have only been a member of Empower Network for around a month, but I'm already seeing the benefits after being so reluctant to join in the first place.

                          Obviously not everyone can succeed, but it's no different than any other product out there, whether it be on ClickBank, ClickSure, WSO or real life.

                          How many people buy weight loss DVD's and don't lose any weight? The same goes for people who start diets.

                          I've been online for just under three years now, and I've learnt how to pretty much do everything that is required to make whatever venture I do successful. I can generate leads, make sales etc but I know a lot of people can't.

                          This is why for everyone who joins my team, I have created my own personal training showing what Im currently doing to build leads, and letting them pretty much copy it.

                          My training along with the Empower Network training, I really cant see people not brining in AT LEAST one sale to break even, and I know it shouldn't be this way, but if you join a 'good team' you should be pretty much set, right? (Even though JUST joining Empower should be enough).

                          Just thought I'd add to the discussion, as I'm clearly not the 'average' person you talk about with your original comment.
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                        • Profile picture of the author samrand
                          Originally Posted by Kev Tomlinson View Post

                          Oh well, my first post on here. You have to start somewhere right?

                          Firstly let me declare my interest in as much as I work from home on a full time basis in Network Marketing (or MLM if you like) and also online marketing. I have been in the MLM field since 1992 and internet marketing or one sort or another since 2004.

                          I'm not going to join the discussion about whether Empower ‘works’ or not any more than I will get into a discussion about whether MLM works because frankly that is a mute point. People have already succeeded in making money... ipso facto, it works!





                          I do know however that the reason I left the Empower network (after purchasing the $25 a month blog + $20 ish affiliate fee don’t forget - and the inner circle membership @ $100 month) hasn't been touched on yet in this forum (unless I missed it) and it might not even be an issue for most, I don't know. However, the reason I will have nothing to do with it is this:

                          Most if not all of you will know that there is an extremely high failure rate in business start ups. Notice I didn't limit that... I said business generically meaning conventional bricks and motor, online, offline, you name it, if you’re starting up in business the statistics say that you are more likely to fail that succeed.

                          In MLM online and offline the failure rate is in excess of 90% (Failure for the sake of my point = unable to recoup investment) and in this one instance, just for the sake of brevity, I’m including schemes like Empower under that MLM umbrella simply because the failure rate is similar and I don’t type very fast ,

                          Here’s the rub! I am fully aware that there are exceptions to this but most traditional MLM companies offer a start up with minimal investment (not including the now extremely rare but once wide spread deplorable practice of front loading of new distributors). Some countries have even legislated to limit this initial cost. Also MOST distributors join MLM companies to try to generate additional funds precisely because they are failing to generate enough income from their jobs or perhaps because they have no jobs and are broke. Please note, I am not pandering to the MLM groupies who will have you believe many already successful people join just for time freedom..If you believe that I have some relics from Atlantis that you might be interested in .

                          Here is a question that I think is interesting about Empower Network in particular and all high ticket GPT (get paid today) companies in general….
                          There are exceptions to every rule but most ethical networkers would agree that frontloading is wrong and unethical in many ways and not least because it is simply a fact that with most networkers failing, frontloading means that many, many networkers would be left with large quantities of product on their hands that they cannot sell ... there are many reasons for this and just as many counter excuses but it does not alter the industry official figures that a massively high percentage of people who join MLM (yes and other types of business too) fail.

                          That being the case what is the difference between old style frontloading and a company like Empower? Empower heavily weights it’s front line promotion on massive results from the company’s $25 blogging system which is attached to an ‘authority domain’ etc etc. Then when a recruit joins it massively and quite brilliantly promotes backend up selling to a total of $4625 ($125 +$18 monthly recurring + $4500 outright product purchase) and heavy duty psychology is used to put huge pressure on the new recruit with the message that they are not really part of the gang, they are not really serious etc etc until they are ALL IN having bought all the products. They are constantly exposed to the message that they need to do whatever is necessary to find the funds up front as soon as they can, including maxing out credit cards etc etc. That is not advocated directly but Dave wood very cleverly mentions repeatedly that is what he did in many of the ‘training products’ and ‘mindset training’. The massively heavy up sell is present in nearly everything that Empower produces from the live training calls to ALL the training products themselves.

                          The bottom line is that when people join a ‘normal’ MLM the chance to make it big is always there but the chance of them failing is very much higher BUT with relatively minimal financial risk.

                          On the other hand, although you wouldn’t think it when surfing the net, Empower Network’s success stories (and I have no problem in believeing that the vast majority are true) are very much in the minority when taking their whole membership into account and the relatively very small percentage that do find success are either naively, arrogantly or are in denial of the fact that they are surfing on the top of a wave of failures, many of who are left with what is for many of them are massive debts incurred by ‘buying into the dream’, buying the products and ‘getting all in’ and then failing as they were always going to do.

                          I like to sleep soundly at night; I for one will stick with the partnership between my primary mlm and my online marketing operations, cheers!
                          I've got to comment on this because I do see your point. Not sure if most people
                          know this or not but big ticket programs get one wealthier quicker than small ticket
                          period. Ask anybody who pushes big ticket. The numbers are the numbers.

                          The numbers say usually 1 out of 100 people will buy into your $25 program.
                          The numbers say 1 out of 100 will also buy into your $1000 program. 1% rule
                          right? Give or take .

                          Now if you make 10 sales for the month and make $250 I guess one could
                          could find "less guilt" knowing that if 9 of his 10 recruits fail then at least they
                          didn't lose much money. That's good that you'll sleep better I suppose because
                          you'll need it for the job you will be needing to attend the next morning to pay
                          your bills with.

                          On the other hand the gent who just made $10,000 with 1% conversions, I imagine will feel bad the 9 people who spent $1,000 will lose out on never experiencing what $10,000 in the business feels like for not sticking it through.
                          I imagine he will also sleep well on his tempurpedic mattress well through the
                          morning.

                          To each his own but I'd rather be on the right side of the 1% conversion rule.

                          Cheers
                          (For clarification I'm not talking about EN's products in this example. I'm talking about hypothetical
                          programs at those 2 different price points)
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                          • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
                            Originally Posted by samrand View Post

                            Ask anybody who pushes big ticket. The numbers are the numbers.

                            The numbers say usually 1 out of 100 people will buy into your $25 program.
                            The numbers say 1 out of 100 will also buy into your $1000 program. 1% rule
                            right? Give or take .

                            To each his own but I'd rather be on the right side of the 1% conversion rule.

                            Cheers
                            If that was the case, why do they focus on the $25 sign up and not the big ticket sign up's?

                            The actual numbers according to one of their top leaders is that for every 100 people who visit one of their squeeze pages, 25% opt-in and over time 10% of those turn into sales and about half go on to buy the more expensive ticket items.
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                            • Profile picture of the author samrand
                              Originally Posted by davidbatchelor View Post

                              If that was the case, why do they focus on the $25 sign up and not the big ticket sign up's?

                              The actual numbers according to one of their top leaders is that for every 100 people who visit one of their squeeze pages, 25% opt-in and over time 10% of those turn into sales and about half go on to buy the more expensive ticket items.
                              To obviously attract everybody but if you see their videos they encourage you
                              to get all in which big ticket marketers find appealing.

                              Another important note is the low ticket stuff in EN is your 100% residuals
                              which everybody loves.
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                              • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
                                Originally Posted by samrand View Post

                                To obviously attract everybody but if you see their videos they encourage you
                                to get all in which big ticket marketers find appealing.

                                Another important note is the low ticket stuff in EN is your 100% residuals
                                which everybody loves.
                                Actually if you pay attention, they exhort you to get all in after you join as a basic member at the $25 level as I have already mentioned above, that is where their focus is.

                                So if you were actually correct about the numbers, why do they get at least double the mount of people who get in at the $25 level as opposed to the $100 level. Then at the next level less then half up grade who came in at the $100 level.
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                                • Profile picture of the author samrand
                                  Originally Posted by davidbatchelor View Post

                                  Actually if you pay attention, they exhort you to get all in after you join as a basic member at the $25 level as I have already mentioned above, that is where their focus is.

                                  So if you were actually correct about the numbers, why do they get at least double the mount of people who get in at the $25 level as opposed to the $100 level. Then at the next level less then half up grade who came in at the $100 level.
                                  Well because its a sales funnel friend. Naturally after one becomes a customer
                                  at $25 there will be less and less people upgrade as each step becomes more
                                  expensive.

                                  Maybe I'm a little foggy right now but maybe I'm missing your point about the
                                  numbers that I referenced earlier. Are you asking me why they wouldn't push
                                  the $3,000 course first instead of the $25 if the conversion numbers
                                  were the same?
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                                  • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
                                    Originally Posted by samrand View Post

                                    Are you asking me why they wouldn't push
                                    the $3,000 course first instead of the $25 if the conversion numbers
                                    were the same?
                                    Exactly. That would make sense if that was actually the case, wouldn't it?
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                    • Profile picture of the author Robert02011
                      Yes i agree with your comments
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                      I`am looking for an honest legal business that can make real money online.
                      I found one ??????http://successxxx.com

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                    • Profile picture of the author smak
                      To be honest, these squeeze pages you listed for EN don't seem very impressive. What I was looking for eally was that don't EN have website that focuses on its program by educating visitors on everything from products to making money system.

                      I mean that EN blog and the squeeze pages I have seen don't do this job.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
                        Originally Posted by smak View Post

                        To be honest, these squeeze pages you listed for EN don't seem very impressive. What I was looking for eally was that don't EN have website that focuses on its program by educating visitors on everything from products to making money system.

                        I mean that EN blog and the squeeze pages I have seen don't do this job.
                        As soon as you opt-in, before you can even think about purchasing you have to watch a video for 30 minutes that explains everything in great detail...
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              • Profile picture of the author tcallfitness
                Originally Posted by Salesmanship In Print View Post

                With systems such as Empower, if the law didn't require them to include 'products' to make it legal, they wouldn't bother to offer any (they exist only to avoid the legal definition of a 'scheme'). The 'products' are only placeholders. In other words, the products could just as well be various sized sacks of cow manure, as long as they hit the price points that make sense from a marketing perspective (low, med, high - to keep enough money floating around to attract more flies).

                The object of the game is to get prospects to look at the 'high-converting' sales funnel and say to themselves "Gee, if I would pay this much for sacks of cow manure, SURELY I could find others who would do likewise!" And thus the 'circle jerk' cycle begins...

                The only question is how much 'jerking' you will do before you get sick of peddling manure, and then get off the merry-go-round. Oh sure, some will 'make a lot of money!' Well...congratulations! Let me slap you on the back and buy you a big fat cigar.

                My only question is...what will you be willing to do NEXT TIME you get a whiff of money?
                Let me know when you join; I'll send you my affiliate link. I'm in for the education and wouldn't be bothered if nobody got in my team; that's pretty good value right there.
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            • Profile picture of the author adamj2
              Originally Posted by davidbatchelor View Post

              Yes, they say 40% up grade, but the nine who I brought in, none of them up graded.
              I have signed up 125 people with Empower Network and 48 of them have upgraded to the Inner Circle.

              That is 38% which is consistent with the figures David Wood talks about.
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          • Profile picture of the author Scott Skinner
            Dave was living in a van down by the river, really? I just gotta laugh.....

            "There is nothing new under the sun"



            It is quite hilarious to watch the controversy over this. When in actuality, sales and marketing, or human nature for that matter really has not changed for several thousand years. Here is a litmus test I use before promoting a product.....

            "To put it simply, at the end of the day, a product or service must enhance a person's life in such a way that they will recommend it to everyone they know, without promise of financial gain, for no other reason than the satisfaction of knowing that they made a positive difference in someones life."

            If it can do that, you've got a winner!
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    • Profile picture of the author zippaz23
      Originally Posted by SeasideMarketer View Post

      Would you recommend Empower Network to your family and friends? No - that should be the litmus test
      I wouldn't recommend any Internet Marketing Business to my family or friends. When I first got into Internet Marketing that was the strategy that companies taught. Trust me it never works out. Even though I showed them every single thing I was doing that I was finding success with, they never followed through. The reality is that very few, if any, of your friends are business minded and willing to do what ever it takes to be successful. The majority just won't follow through and stick it out for the long-term. Most join a company or program, "try" it for a maybe a month and then they quit. Once I realized that I couldn't build my business on family and friends, I started to find success.
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      • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
        Originally Posted by zippaz23 View Post

        I wouldn't recommend any Internet Marketing Business to my family or friends. When I first got into Internet Marketing that was the strategy that companies taught. Trust me it never works out. Even though I showed them every single thing I was doing that I was finding success with, they never followed through. The reality is that very few, if any, of your friends are business minded and willing to do what ever it takes to be successful. The majority just won't follow through and stick it out for the long-term. Most join a company or program, "try" it for a maybe a month and then they quit. Once I realized that I couldn't build my business on family and friends, I started to find success.
        Actually that doesn't make sense as every person who is in your business is someone's friend and relative, just not yours.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    It's funny...Network marketing is a proven business model. And there are still those that despite proof to the contrary (think Amway for one), label anything to do with it as a scam. True there are some out there (Emerald Passport comes to mind). But there are lots that aren't. And the problem usually isn't the plan, company etc. It's the person trying to market, either using techniques that might not work for that specific company or being unethical. And then there's the quick fix crowd....oy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by cypherslock View Post

      It's funny...Network marketing is a proven business model. And there are still those that despite proof to the contrary (think Amway for one), label anything to do with it as a scam. True there are some out there (Emerald Passport comes to mind). But there are lots that aren't. And the problem usually isn't the plan, company etc. It's the person trying to market, either using techniques that might not work for that specific company or being unethical. And then there's the quick fix crowd....oy.
      "Network Marketing" is the more respectable name for the far more accurately titled "multilevel marketing" programs ("mlms"). It is the same thing. Every business in the world relies on "networks" of associates and customers, and the term "network marketing" is as descriptive of them as it is mlms, but mlms wanted to polish their well deserved bad image.

      So they went with the warm and fuzzy, non-descriptive term to de-emphasize their basic nature; "fresh meat" must constantly be fed into the system at the lowest level; new recruits whose money collectively creates the pool of wealth the big fish at the top levels swim in. It's all about the hierarchy of levels, so let's go with the honest term "multilevel".

      What people should remember about mlms, is they are closed systems that don't create money out of thin air; the more impressive the big payouts at the upper levels, the more money they need to be fed in at the lowest levels, which make those payouts possible with their "payins". The fact they try to obscure with fabulously complex payout systems designed to hypnotize recruits with dollar signs in their eyes, is that all the money that gets paid out came from the pockets of the winners' "downlines".

      I agree that it is a proven business model. It is proven to be a very effective way of redistributing wealth from bottom to top; true "trickle up" economics. People at the bottom of these non-pyramids that work exactly like pyramids except there is a product involved, invariably end up with a lot of overpriced soap, vitamins, etc, and if they are action takers; pissed off friends and acquaintances that don't want to hear another pitch.

      If the majority of those coming in were suddenly (impossibly) all finding success, the market would almost instantly become saturated. Look what would happen if the model actually worked on average, as well as it does in theory; here is how many times the program could be shared on the model of "everyone share it with 5 who then share with 5...", before every human alive was a member , as illustrated by carrying out the multiplication: 5*25*125*625*3,125*15,625*78,125*390,625*1,953,125 *9,765,625*48,828,125*244,140,625*1,220,703,125*6, 103,515,625). I counted 13 levels of sharing, before we arrive at pretty close to the Earth's population, and those who got in last (5 billion or so; maybe a level above that too) would lose money on it. It's mathematically impossible to sustain the model except by having losers who far outnumber winners funding it all monthly, and a constant stream of new losers coming on board every month.

      (By "losers", I simply mean those that pay in far more than they will ever see in commissions. By paying out pathetic little commissions to the bottom levels, the company keeps the dream alive much the way casinos use noisy coin drops and tantalizing small wins to distract from the fact that the customers are there for a fleecing. It works well; I know a gambler that raved about her big win of $35k for months though she spent six figures of her boyfriend's money to do it)

      Amway creates big incomes at the top by selling grossly overpriced products (back in the 70s, a bar of soap was about $4-5 bucks) that few people in the real world ever buy at retail. They get around the pyramid problem by having products, but because the logic is still based on money being shifted from bottom to top, the prices simply must be jacked up to fund the payouts; hence the reality; the bulk of the customers are distributors on level one.

      In this case, what is the "product"? A blog? Were there no pyramid (that technically isn't one), there wouldn't be many takers for a $25 per month blog.
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      • Profile picture of the author samrand
        Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

        "Network Marketing" is the more respectable name for the far more accurately titled "multilevel marketing" programs ("mlms"). It is the same thing. Every business in the world relies on "networks" of associates and customers, and the term "network marketing" is as descriptive of them as it is mlms, but mlms wanted to polish their well deserved bad image.

        So they went with the warm and fuzzy, non-descriptive term to de-emphasize their basic nature; "fresh meat" must constantly be fed into the system at the lowest level; new recruits whose money collectively creates the pool of wealth the big fish at the top levels swim in. It's all about the hierarchy of levels, so let's go with the honest term "multilevel".

        What people should remember about mlms, is they are closed systems that don't create money out of thin air; the more impressive the big payouts at the upper levels, the more money they need to be fed in at the lowest levels, which make those payouts possible with their "payins". The fact they try to obscure with fabulously complex payout systems designed to hypnotize recruits with dollar signs in their eyes, is that all the money that gets paid out came from the pockets of the winners' "downlines".

        I agree that it is a proven business model. It is proven to be a very effective way of redistributing wealth from bottom to top; true "trickle up" economics. People at the bottom of these non-pyramids that work exactly like pyramids except there is a product involved, invariably end up with a lot of overpriced soap, vitamins, etc, and if they are action takers; pissed off friends and acquaintances that don't want to hear another pitch.

        If the majority of those coming in were suddenly (impossibly) all finding success, the market would almost instantly become saturated. Look what would happen if the model actually worked on average, as well as it does in theory; here is how many times the program could be shared on the model of "everyone share it with 5 who then share with 5...", before every human alive was a member , as illustrated by carrying out the multiplication: 5*25*125*625*3,125*15,625*78,125*390,625*1,953,125 *9,765,625*48,828,125*244,140,625*1,220,703,125*6, 103,515,625). I counted 13 levels of sharing, before we arrive at pretty close to the Earth's population, and those who got in last (5 billion or so; maybe a level above that too) would lose money on it. It's mathematically impossible to sustain the model except by having losers who far outnumber winners funding it all monthly, and a constant stream of new losers coming on board every month.

        (By "losers", I simply mean those that pay in far more than they will ever see in commissions. By paying out pathetic little commissions to the bottom levels, the company keeps the dream alive much the way casinos use noisy coin drops and tantalizing small wins to distract from the fact that the customers are there for a fleecing. It works well; I know a gambler that raved about her big win of $35k for months though she spent six figures of her boyfriend's money to do it)

        Amway creates big incomes at the top by selling grossly overpriced products (back in the 70s, a bar of soap was about $4-5 bucks) that few people in the real world ever buy at retail. They get around the pyramid problem by having products, but because the logic is still based on money being shifted from bottom to top, the prices simply must be jacked up to fund the payouts; hence the reality; the bulk of the customers are distributors on level one.

        In this case, what is the "product"? A blog? Were there no pyramid (that technically isn't one), there wouldn't be many takers for a $25 per month blog.
        I'm not as smart you but being this company is 100% commissions
        wouldn't each product you buy just go to your sponsor and not feed
        all the higher ups? I guess with the pass up sales that would be kinda
        true but that's the leverage they built in.

        A high authority blog is their first product with all the bells and whistles
        but their main products are advanced marketing education courses correct?
        Arguably the best on the net?

        If this is true would it be better if they just acted like say Harvard University
        and charged their students/customers and kept all the money themselves.
        Even unemployed Harvard graduates most wouldn't feel bad they spent
        6 figures on an advanced marketing education because of the "asset"
        they hold in their brain.

        Is it bad they open up their doors and let their students/customers resell
        their advanced information courses and take in 100% profits therefore
        creating some economy for people?

        Sure not everybody that graduates Harvard with a marketing degree will be a stellar
        marketer. And not everybody who takes in EN's advance training unfortunately
        will not be able to resell EN's products very succesfully.

        I see your point about these mlm money games with their overpriced
        vitamins and dingo juice or whatever, but with specialized training/information
        (if this indeed what they provide) will always, I presume, hold high
        perceived value that can be charged at a premium. (Unlike the stupid vitamins lol)

        Anyways I did enjoy your post sir.

        Cheers
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        • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
          Originally Posted by samrand View Post

          I'm not as smart you but being this company is 100% commissions
          wouldn't each product you buy just go to your sponsor and not feed
          all the higher ups? I guess with the pass up sales that would be kinda
          true but that's the leverage they built in.

          A high authority blog is their first product with all the bells and whistles
          but their main products are advanced marketing education courses correct?
          Arguably the best on the net?

          If this is true would it be better if they just acted like say Harvard University
          and charged their students/customers and kept all the money themselves.
          Even unemployed Harvard graduates most wouldn't feel bad they spent
          6 figures on an advanced marketing education because of the "asset"
          they hold in their brain.

          Is it bad they open up their doors and let their students/customers resell
          their advanced information courses and take in 100% profits therefore
          creating some economy for people?

          Sure not everybody that graduates Harvard with a marketing degree will be a stellar
          marketer. And not everybody who takes in EN's advance training unfortunately
          will not be able to resell EN's products very succesfully.

          I see your point about these mlm money games with their overpriced
          vitamins and dingo juice or whatever, but with specialized training/information
          (if this indeed what they provide) will always, I presume, hold high
          perceived value that can be charged at a premium. (Unlike the stupid vitamins lol)

          Anyways I did enjoy your post sir.

          Cheers
          Don't assume I'm smarter; I just have a working calculator.

          I haven't dug into the details of their plan; maybe it's not a typical mlm, in that normally, there are overrides of some percentage a couple levels or more deep to motivate people to build "deep" organizations. Perhaps here the motivation is to recruit more people a couple levels down so your immediate downline keeps feeling motivated to pay in, so you keep getting their money every month.

          Anyway, my basic point is that for every person who makes a living with the system, there have to be many others to provide the money that makes those incomes possible; no new wealth is created; it comes only from the pockets of other recruits. That is not what I call "creating an economy". Instead I'd call it "keep the fresh meat coming in so the gravy train doesn't come to a screeching halt."

          Since it takes many times the money from one recruit to equal one good income, it follows that the only way for some to prosper is for many others to simply pay in, never making a dime back.

          I doubt the value of these courses the company is letting recruits sell to other recruits, and keep all the money. It would be next to impossible to get an honest review, because the main point of the network is for recruits to make commissions selling to other recruits. What recruit is going to reduce the chances of doing that by publicly saying anything negative about the products?

          I see no reason to think their courses are some of the best; the people defending them aren't saying much about the quality of the content, but rather about the chance to make money selling it to newer recruits. As in most mlms, the products are just an excuse to take money from new recruits' pockets, and put it into the pockets of people who got in earlier. Just my 2 cents.

          Cheers
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          • Profile picture of the author samrand
            Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

            Don't assume I'm smarter; I just have a working calculator.

            I haven't dug into the details of their plan; maybe it's not a typical mlm, in that normally, there are overrides of some percentage a couple levels or more deep to motivate people to build "deep" organizations. Perhaps here the motivation is to recruit more people a couple levels down so your immediate downline keeps feeling motivated to pay in, so you keep getting their money every month.

            Anyway, my basic point is that for every person who makes a living with the system, there have to be many others to provide the money that makes those incomes possible; no new wealth is created; it comes only from the pockets of other recruits. That is not what I call "creating an economy". Instead I'd call it "keep the fresh meat coming in so the gravy train doesn't come to a screeching halt."

            Since it takes many times the money from one recruit to equal one good income, it follows that the only way for some to prosper is for many others to simply pay in, never making a dime back.

            I doubt the value of these courses the company is letting recruits sell to other recruits, and keep all the money. It would be next to impossible to get an honest review, because the main point of the network is for recruits to make commissions selling to other recruits. What recruit is going to reduce the chances of doing that by publicly saying anything negative about the products?

            I see no reason to think their courses are some of the best; the people defending them aren't saying much about the quality of the content, but rather about the chance to make money selling it to newer recruits. As in most mlms, the products are just an excuse to take money from new recruits' pockets, and put it into the pockets of people who got in earlier. Just my 2 cents.

            Cheers
            That's a good point and I addressed this earlier in posts on this thread.
            They are very popular for a reason and I wouldn't be as shallow to say
            it was just because of a 100% commission structure. I believe their movement
            is getting stronger because of the value in their products.

            Look I think overall some people will think they are selling their comp plan
            but the truth I think is in reverse. People want to become affiliates because
            what they are going to be reselling converts. Everybody wants to jump on
            a hot/steady stock right? These guys made it to the top of their "pyramid" which
            takes some brilliant salemanship and marketing because we all know in traditional
            mlm's you have to recruit a small army to make $10,000 or more a month.

            So if these guys figured out how to become top leaders in these MLM companies
            where the success rate is terrible, and decide to come out with their own company
            where they teach how they marketed to get to that top 1%, that knowledge is
            extremely valuable because they are proven . Not some well funded schmuck
            who decides to make a money game out of new skin cream on the market.

            I'll say this... with so much BS in the internet marketing space... if you have
            real high quality information products that people deem so, and you put out an affiliate system, obviously people will promote what sells right? In big numbers
            presumably?

            50,000 affiliates last time I checked. Either the products are good or they
            have some good brainwashing going on over there.
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    • Profile picture of the author shazaman
      I think a lot are jaded with network marketing, I am sure we have all tried our fair share, did not work. When seeing the guy, forgot his name, the creator, talking about it, I was really getting close to signing up, but all those failed network marketing memories raise up.
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      • Profile picture of the author haslow
        My God! the market must have reached critical mass. The hEmpower Network phishers are now advertising here! Hey I thought that was prohibited by Warrior Forum!
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  • Profile picture of the author jrgattison
    The reality is that the majority of people are going to see Empower Network as not being a good opportunity. People are looking to get rich quick and are always looking for an excuse as to why something will not work. That is holding you back.

    The truth is that Empower Network is affiliate marketing as if you were trying to sell a clickbank product. Same thing as far as that goes.

    In addition instead of it paying a straight portion of the product sale, they pay 100% out. So the entry product is $25 monthly and it pays $25 commission monthly.

    Where people get twisted and start labeling it as a ponzi scheme is that they have a MLM commission structure where there is a roll up of the commissions to a qualified associate. That kind of structure is not illegal and it is being used in other MLM opprtunities successfully.

    The products are internet marketing training products which are not overpriced as people will lead you to believe. Information is free online, but specialized knowledge is not normally free. For example the $25 blogging product comes with a Wordpress blog and the system on how to market that blog. Training is ongoing and is kept up to date.

    The higher priced items are for more advanced training.

    So in summary you can succeed in Empower Network just like you can succeed in many things. Whether you choose to do what it takes is totally up to you. You can find that to be true on this forum right here, right now. The majority of people are not going to do what it takes to make it happen in their lives. A small percentage will. Will that be you?

    The benefit of the Empower Network is that you have a community of people helping people and some encouragement along the way. That does help in your success. I have been online full time for over 10 years but the majority of it has been selling on ebay/amazon. I'm not new to affiliate marketing but am not completely where I want to be as far as affiliate marketing replacing my ebay income.

    And to give you a little insight on what people don't normally tell you is that when I say I have made my living online with a full time income that also means that my wife hasn't worked in 10 years a job AND I have 3 kids.

    So trust me when I say that the Empower Network is a legitimate opportunity just like many things on the forum here are but that it is you that will determine whether it works for you or not.

    If anybody has any questions I am open to answering what I can and there is also a thread on this forum that is trying to solicit mentors to help people get started earning online.

    Kendall "The Empowered Awkward Entrepreneur"
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    • Profile picture of the author mssharmt
      Hey Sam
      Thank you for your honesty..
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Some good reviews and some bad ones I see here.

    In my 10 years of promoting online, I really think that they are in the TOP 5 business opportunities ever to exist online. Again, this is my own view.

    If you really understand their compensation plan, it is a beautiful thing.

    For some people it takes longer to see results and with any business online, there will be failure stories and people who just like to complain about it everywhere online.

    Take a look at Amway. They are the biggest MLM company in the world with $$$BILLIONS generated each month and MILLIONS of people who are free. You will see many failure stories online from people who tried it and failed and talk about it as being a scam.

    If you compare other network marketing programs and regular affiliate programs, Empower Network rises above them every time.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    As someone who recently got into Amway (so my wife and I could work on something TOGETHER), I can say two things:

    1. The products really are excellent.
    2. There's no pyramid scheme here, you don't get paid for recruiting at all.
    3. Upline support is nothing short of amazing. They drive 2 + hours to see us to get us going.

    Truth be told when it comes to MLM, you have to (a) find the right company and (b) realize that those who call everything a pyramid scheme are misunderstanding the term and can't even attempt to do what you do.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
    You are right, this thread is about Empower Network and I followed your lead and allowed myself to be lead down the MLM track, following your example.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kev Tomlinson
    Ah Josh, that's a good point but it's not my point.

    How many people who buy weight loss DVDs lose $5k if they fail to lose weight. It is the massive consequences of failure in high ticket programs that matters here.

    I already said several times that it is a given that most will fail, that’s not debatable, that’s a fact. When most fail in ‘normal’ MLM they lose relatively little but pride. When someone buys a weight loss DVDs they do not end up in massive debt (relative to the most common income profile of failed MLMers). When 90% of people fail in Empower and they do and will, a high percentage of them will have gone ‘All In’ for the reasons stated above. They are left with $5,000.00 of debt to pay off. For the vast majority of these people $5k of debt is a very large debt indeed.

    I am pleased that you have made your own system but I will make a prediction… Actually that’s not fair on you, I have hard facts, stats and history to go by 90% of your recruits WILL fail. Your system will, if anything, help to recruit more people who think they may stand a better chance by signing in under a leader (thanks Mike Dillard ) but in reality it simply means that more people will be in debt under you when they fail.

    This is NOT an attack you Josh, I’m simply trying to expand on my initial post… I’m not saying that Empower is wrong, I’m am not calling it immoral, I am not justifying traditional MLM, all I am saying is that it is hard enough watching 90% of people fail in traditional MLM where they have little or no debt to subsequently face. I personally couldn’t live with myself knowing that I was drawing people into certain life changing debt and for the vast majority of people who joined me that’s exactly what I would be doing with Empower Network.
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    • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
      Originally Posted by Kev Tomlinson View Post

      Ah Josh, that's a good point but it's not my point.

      How many people who buy weight loss DVDs lose $5k if they fail to lose weight. It is the massive consequences of failure in high ticket programs that matters here.

      I already said several times that it is a given that most will fail, that’s not debatable, that’s a fact. When most fail in ‘normal’ MLM they lose relatively little but pride. When someone buys a weight loss DVDs they do not end up in massive debt (relative to the most common income profile of failed MLMers). When 90% of people fail in Empower and they do and will, a high percentage of them will have gone ‘All In’ for the reasons stated above. They are left with $5,000.00 of debt to pay off. For the vast majority of these people $5k of debt is a very large debt indeed.

      I am pleased that you have made your own system but I will make a prediction… Actually that’s not fair on you, I have hard facts, stats and history to go by 90% of your recruits WILL fail. Your system will, if anything, help to recruit more people who think they may stand a better chance by signing in under a leader (thanks Mike Dillard ) but in reality it simply means that more people will be in debt under you when they fail.

      This is NOT an attack you Josh, I’m simply trying to expand on my initial post… I’m not saying that Empower is wrong, I’m am not calling it immoral, I am not justifying traditional MLM, all I am saying is that it is hard enough watching 90% of people fail in traditional MLM where they have little or no debt to subsequently face. I personally couldn’t live with myself knowing that I was drawing people into certain life changing debt and for the vast majority of people who joined me that’s exactly what I would be doing with Empower Network.
      I understand what your saying

      But, you do throw the word debt around, quite a lot. If they had the $5k to start off with, it's not debt, it's a loss. Only those who don't have $5k will be in end up in debt, but IMO it's their own fault.

      If I couldn't afford to go all in, I wouldn't. Why would I knowingly put myself into debt, knowing full well there is a high change I may NEVER see any return.

      But in response to what you said about 90% of people failing, and leaving with their pride, I see it differently.

      If I've invested $5,000 of my hard earned cash, I'm going to stick it out and do EVERYTHING in my power to make sure I at least recover my investment, and I believe this is the reason they price their products so high. It's perceived value.

      Like you said, if you join a MLM program lets say for $20 then quit after a month, you haven't really lost anything..Thus with the price being so low, people have the "I can't be bothered" attitude.

      Flip the script and price something a lot higher, I understand people will STILL quit, but given their investment I think they people who quit, will give it longer than a month..And less people will go in with the "I can't be bothered" attitude.

      Hope you understand what I'm trying to say here, I didn't realize how hard this would be to type, when I can say all of the above in around two sentences
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      • Profile picture of the author Kev Tomlinson
        Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post


        But, you do throw the word debt around, quite a lot. If they had the $5k to start off with, it's not debt, it's a loss. Only those who don't have $5k will be in end up in debt, but IMO it's their own fault.
        I'm sorry, I may be playing with a stacked deck here. Please go and check out you country's industry stats (thay are all basically the same story). As I said above, MOST people who join any part of 'our' indusrty do so because they need the money and don't have $5k of liquid assets to invest. MOST people who buy into high ticked programs put the cost on credit cards. The 'only' that you refer to in your 'only those who don't have...etc' account for most who join.

        If I couldn't afford to go all in, I wouldn't. Why would I knowingly put myself into debt, knowing full well there is a high change I may NEVER see any return.
        as you said above Josh, your story cirtainy implies that you are in the 10% therefore you are not in the majority and what you would personally do is a mute point



        If I've invested $5,000 of my hard earned cash, I'm going to stick it out and do EVERYTHING in my power to make sure I at least recover my investment, and I believe this is the reason they price their products so high. It's perceived value.
        Once again, see my previous reply

        Like you said, if you join a MLM program lets say for $20 then quit after a month, you haven't really lost anything..Thus with the price being so low, people have the "I can't be bothered" attitude.
        Your point is an assumption not supported by evidence because the evidence shows a similar falure rate at all ticket levels(as I pointed to in my original post). It must be said however that many successful comapnies have products mainly based in that price range...including the biggest MLM on the planet...see Avon [/quote]
        Flip the script and price something a lot higher, I understand people will STILL quit, but given their investment I think they people who quit, will give it longer than a month..And less people will go in with the "I can't be bothered" attitude.
        Again your point is simply not supported by fact. 90% of people quit hight ticket companies as well as low ticket companies and the time they take to quit is irelevant... They fail, period.

        Hope you understand what I'm trying to say here, I didn't realize how hard this would be to type, when I can say all of the above in around two sentences
        Actually, I'm enjoying debating with you. Thanks for being both civil and honest
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        • To join Empower is to declare to the world "I don't give a s#*t what happens to the people I drag into this, as long as I make a profit!" An analogy would be a tightrope walker who invites a crowd to follow him across Niagara Falls, so they can have a share of the pot of gold on the other side. But only if they are 'all in!' and have paid out enough cash to 'earn' a share (with all proceeds going to the tightrope walker ahead of them).
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          • Profile picture of the author Kev Tomlinson
            Originally Posted by Salesmanship In Print View Post

            To join Empower is to declare to the world "I don't give a s#*t what happens to the people I drag into this, as long as I make a profit!" An analogy would be a tightrope walker who invites a crowd to follow him across Niagara Falls, so they can have a share of the pot of gold on the other side. But only if they are 'all in!' and have paid out enough cash to 'earn' a share (with all proceeds going to the tightrope walker ahead of them).
            One of the weird things about all this is that no matter how clearly it is spelled out, no matter what metaphor or simile is used, very few will see the truth in what you wrote Salesmanship In Print. They will regurgitate all the old MLM clichés that have been imprinted on them, blind to the fact that no matter what system is used, what magic beans are eaten, what wonderful training is available in the system (or not ) , the truth that Dave Wood's poo does not smell of cookies and cream and that it does not matter how much 'effort' someone puts into 'it'... the FACT is that over 90% of people fail... period.

            When a heck of a lot of those people find themselves with $5,000.00 to pay off on their credit cards and not much income to pay it, it stops being a mental exercise and becomes a very real issue indeed. I guess that there are none as blind as those that will not see.

            '...To join Empower is to declare to the world "I don't give a s#*t what happens to the people I drag into this..." ' <---- that is just perfect!!!

            But enough from me, what I wanted to say I have said in the posts above, so good luck and best wishes to all at Empower
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            • Profile picture of the author adamj2
              Originally Posted by Kev Tomlinson View Post

              One of the weird things about all this is that no matter how clearly it is spelled out, no matter what metaphor or simile is used, very few will see the truth in what you wrote Salesmanship In Print. They will regurgitate all the old MLM clichés that have been imprinted on them, blind to the fact that no matter what system is used, what magic beans are eaten, what wonderful training is available in the system (or not ) , the truth that Dave Wood's poo does not smell of cookies and cream and that it does not matter how much 'effort' someone puts into 'it'... the FACT is that over 90% of people fail... period.

              When a heck of a lot of those people find themselves with $5,000.00 to pay off on their credit cards and not much income to pay it, it stops being a mental exercise and becomes a very real issue indeed. I guess that there are none as blind as those that will not see.

              '...To join Empower is to declare to the world "I don't give a s#*t what happens to the people I drag into this..." ' <---- that is just perfect!!!

              But enough from me, what I wanted to say I have said in the posts above, so good luck and best wishes to all at Empower
              You could say that about any internet marketing product that most people fail.

              If you say 90% of people fail at Empower Network (depends what you class as failure) then that is probably a whole lot better than the 99% of people who will fail at internet marketing in general.

              I was failing at internet marketing when I joined Empower Network. Scrambling around about at $600 to $1,000 a month.

              And I just had a $5K month with EN and looking to take things to the next level now.

              And others are experiencing the same thing.

              Most people will fail because they treat it as a get rich quick scheme.

              The people who treat it is a real business have a great chance of success.
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              • Profile picture of the author successproducts
                I would say this -- although money is nice to make and after watching the video from Empower Network I can see why people make money. Because the video really converts especially for newbies.

                Here is the beauty of that program .. no matter what you do Empower Network makes money on you and your friends and your families - Because every time you make 25 bucks they make 50. It's a wonderful scheme FORE SURE.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kev Tomlinson
                OK, I did say I was calling it a day but I find it hard to believe that people try to counter my points with their own points that do nothing except clearly demonstrate that they have not read the previous posts before replying and therefore they make points that either have already been dealt with or that are completely separate from and nothing to do with the debate at hand.
                Originally Posted by adamj2 View Post

                You could say that about any internet marketing product that most people fail.

                If you say 90% of people fail at Empower Network (depends what you class as failure) then that is probably a whole lot better than the 99% of people who will fail at internet marketing in general.
                With the greatest of respect (& I mean that) I did clearly say that I did include ALL business start ups in that figure, that is not the point at all. If you are going to come back on a post in ANY forum, it might be a good idea to read the thread or at the very least, the previous posts by the person that you are replying to. However, to address the first part, my definition of failure is ALSO listed clearly above in a previous post. To the second part. You pose a logical fallacy in the form of a straw man (99%) , then you knock you own point down.... 99% of people do not fail at internet marketing in general, so this is a completely mute point.

                I was failing at internet marketing when I joined Empower Network. Scrambling around about at $600 to $1,000 a month.

                And I just had a $5K month with EN and looking to take things to the next level now.

                And others are experiencing the same thing.
                Your own success is irrelevant to the fact that 90%+ fail and a large proportion of those will be $5K in debt. As I said, please read the previous posts..

                Most people will fail because they treat it as a get rich quick scheme.
                This is assumption on your part and should not be stated as a fact. However, the reason for failure is not under question, simply the fact that if you do find success in empower's business model, you are funding it in the main with money from the pockets of people who can't afford it (again, please read the thread above). That is not an assumption, that is simply quoting a fact. I am not condemning not judging, simply pointing this out.

                The people who treat it is a real business have a great chance of success.
                Again, little or no real academic research has been done on this. Until it is, the reasons for failure or success are open to debate but none can claim to definitively know... but as I said, that is a separate point and irrelevant to the smimple thrust of the debate and the facts pointed out above.

                So far all I have seen in counter debate is purley assumptive statements either towing the company line or just missing the point completely (although perhaps that's on purpose? ). Anyway, great debate however you look at it. Thanks guys :-D
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  • Profile picture of the author shifty2112
    Nice thread here, I recently joined myself and honestly have not joined the inner circle and just sticking with the $25 a month. But after much reading, studying and etc... I am really leaning towards trying to just go with CPC, Clickbank or something on my personal blog. I am not finding the value in the $25 a month blogging system when I am able to setup my own blog for much cheaper. I am working hard at promoting and have not gotten any signups yet. The biggest problem I am having is the $25 a month system does not give you much training, just the capture pages and website. Everything else I am learning on my own. If I get a one client to pay for my $25 a month, I will stick with it, but I will be waiting until I hit $100 a month in clients before I jump to the inner-circle. I guess I am not all-in But I would tell anyone in my downline the same thing, build your business in steps, not be forced all-in. I tend to disagree with some of the statements about going in debt, look at people who have spent a ton of money on college and still do not have a job being out of college? I have spent $2500 in tech training at some points in my life. I looked at it as an education fee. The Empower Network has those products that are a one time cost, I don't know how great they are because I have not gotten them and I am not willing to pay that much until I actually see maybe some of the training on what it is like. If it teaches me about a lot more about the field and I can use that in other areas of my life, another business, I am willing to pay for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mo Jogee
    I know a member of the empowered network and he tried to convince me to join EN. I was told if I sold an x amount a month I could potentially make $10,000 per month which really got my attention. If I wasn't being a coached client of Lee McIntyre's then I would probably considered it. The only thing that puts me off about EN is that there will be thousands of people with similar type blogs and that is a complete turn off for me and for starters just blog marketing wasn't the kind of business model that am after. I think for people who are interested in just blog marketing then EN could be good for them but if you are looking for a different model then it might not be the golden nugget you're looking for! Just my 2 cents
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyler S
    Like everything else here, it works if you put the effort into it.
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  • Profile picture of the author samrand
    I'm not in Empower but I do like the fact that you can't sell what you don't
    own. I also like the fact that the company founders let you sell their products
    and receive full commissions on them . I also like the leverage built in the comp plan
    obviously similar to an mlm.
    Now "Salesmen in Print" is right in that you can put anything out for a product and then
    slap a price tag on it to make it legal....but truth is I don't here much complaints
    about their products. Especially the high priced ones. I've not heard 1 person
    ever bash the 15k formula ($1,000 product). Heard nothing but great feedback.

    Now some will say well you've only heard that from people trying to promote it.
    I disagree. I think most of us have known or heard about a high ticket product
    and if it sucks, people will complain about getting shafted. No such complaints
    that I have seen about that particular Empower product yet which is pretty amazing
    considering Empowers exposure. The people that complained about EN after
    they bought the products is always that they didn't sign anybody up. Boo hoo.
    Some people quit after 25 optins! lol

    Now if I ever get in Empower and get all in, and somebody else gets all in under me
    and I make $5,000 from them but they quit before they earn, will I feel bad? Yes
    I will feel bad that my residual is gone! I won't feel bad they lost $5,000 grand.

    David Wood explains that this is direct sales. Heck I've actually been in REAL sales
    face to face and if you don't sell you don't eat. This program from what I see is that they
    already do all the freakin selling for you. Your job is to get people to watch a video!
    Thats why in the videos David W. and David S. do encourage people to get 'all in'. They are
    the CEO's and the affiliates are the shareholders. They want to make their affiliates money
    and they have the PROVEN formula that if you are bought up to the 15k formula and you
    do 2 $25 sales a day for 12 weeks you will be making $30k monthly. They have been around now over a year and those are the proven metrics for those of you who like the facts. Bottomline they are making it clear that if you are using EN as an income vehicle its in
    your better interest to get all in.

    If your goal after you drop $5,000 is to not try to get at least 100 people a day to see
    a video and then quit after 30 days because you didn't achieve it then that's on you.

    The 97% failure ratio unfortunately might always be true because quite frankly
    most people need a job to be told what do. This will always be like buying lotto
    tickets for a vast majority. Good news is that this industry has now replaced
    Real Estate as the industry booming the most new millionaires every year.

    One last thing about people taking the "risk" of going in debt $5,000 when getting
    all in with EN. I know EN has this in their system where if somebody signs up
    under you, and they buy a product you don't own, then EN's email system notifies
    you that you lost a commission. Brilliant.

    I would suggest if you are listening to the fella a few posts up from me saying that its
    a huge risk for these type of programs, I would do this:
    Sign up free and get your capture page. Drive traffic. If you get a $25 sale
    (which you will lose because you don't own the product) upgrade and buy the blog
    and the $19.99 fee. I would then lose a commission on every level to justify that you upgrade
    and that you know its possible to make those commissions.

    That was actually another warriors original thought which I think makes perfect sense for
    all the skeptics who are about to join.

    P.S. I've seen some people on this thread talking a little slick about EN
    but putting their names behind some JUNK info products in the good ol
    WSO section. Happy Holidays!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Linley
    I just signed up just to see what it's all about since it says you get lots of good marketing material and for 25 bucks that is nothing to spend to check it out and see if I can learn something and maybe even get a few referrals or who knows maybe blog my current business income out of the water and finally break free and debt free and wealth! I will try to remember to come and post my results but who knows if I get too busy and forget to come back!
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  • Profile picture of the author samrand
    @davidbatchelor You know what I think I got what you're saying maybe lol.
    When I was talking about the 1% conversion rule for big ticket vs small ticket being
    virtually the same per amount of visitors I was making the point for initial point
    of purchase. No funnel, just this program is $1,000 and this one is $25. I know this
    thread is about EN but there is no way to get a 1% conversion rate on EN's
    $1,000 product because of all the upgrades. Not on your first 100 optins unless you get
    lucky or have a pretty motivated list to begin with.

    I suppose if EN just sold their 15k formula straight up with no residuals and no other
    products one would see that 1% conversion or more based on the 2 Davids salesmanship
    and value they apparently bring.
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    • Profile picture of the author monaya
      Great conversation guys. I have 2 questions:

      1. How does empower network make money if you get 100% commission on everything you refer?

      2. Do they have high converting banners you can put on your site?
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  • Profile picture of the author samrand
    Another thing I want mention is that although I'm not a member
    of EN, I have to congratulate EN for saturating the market.
    That's no small feat. Solo ad vendors won't take promotions anymore.
    I've literally seen a dozen funnels built around EN's funnel. Could this
    hit critical mass? I don't know but saturated may not be the appropriate term
    seeing that 1,000's of new people a day are looking online for income opportunities.

    Hate them or love them they seem to be growing
    stronger and for those of you who think they're gonna go down like
    Zeek, I wouldn't hold my breath. They seem to have their ducks in order
    and pretty transparent. But hey I could be wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author tcallfitness
    I have purchased some fitness products over the years (i.e., ebooks, audio, video, etc.). If you have purchased a Fat Loss ebook for $27, or $47, then you should already know about upselling.

    FULL DISCLOSURE: I am already a member of Empower Network.

    So, when you enter your name and email in the landing page because you are interested in how to exercise less, but lose more fat, you are immediately exposed to the upsell. Buy this fat loss book for $27, but when you upgrade and get the DVD set for just $47, the upgrade will give even more arsenal to lose weight. THIS IS STANDARD MARKETING, FOLKS.

    Buy in at $25 and you will watch a video on the next page that tells you about the next upsell to the Inner Circle for $100 a month. Then after that there is another upsell to buy the Costa Rica Intensive, or the 15K Formula. This is marketing at its finest - UPSELLING!

    If you don't understand that, then don't join; you'll regret it. You'll be doing what the NAYSAYERS ARE SQUACKING - giving money to the people who know what they are doing.

    But, if you want to learn the tricks of the trade (syndication, backlinking, SEO, article sharing, document sharing, video sharing, guest writing, THERE'S TOO MANY TO WRITE!) and find out what the top IMers are doing outside of the EN blogsite, then join because the EDUCATION is eye opening.

    When you go to college, are you buying a product? NO! You are buying time to spend reading a book, go through work problems, ask questions from the TA or teacher, and listen to the instructor regurgitate information so you might learn a new skill.

    EMPOWER NETWORK SELLS EDUCATION - INTERNET MARKETING EDUCATION. I have a marketing company and I need to stay informed on what is going on in the market place. I have to pay for education. Empower Network has EXCELLENT EDUCATION programs for internet marketers and I CAN DEDUCT THIS ON MY TAXES AS A BUSINESS EXPENSE.

    How do I know, BECAUSE I'M A CPA AND I GIVE THIS ADVICE TO MY CLIENTS ALL THE TIME.

    So, if you don't like MLMs, don't join. But, if you have to buy EDUCATION for your business, Empower Network has a great platform.
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      • Profile picture of the author MaxTheMarketer
        The friend of mine who introduced me to IM several years ago just made his $1000 sale or of it is was $3500 or what it was, I don't remember.

        I am really happy for him making that such sale but I still do not like the idea of selling this kind of product.

        However, I use their blog to get traffic to my blog posts that are about IM and then link to my main website instead!

        That is actually something useful and ethical if you ask me; to use their PR to link to your website! ^^,

        Take Care & Have An Awesome Weekend, Fellow Warrior(s)! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.
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        • Profile picture of the author reseller7
          Originally Posted by MaxTheMarketer View Post

          The friend of mine who introduced me to IM several years ago just made his $1000 sale or of it is was $3500 or what it was, I don't remember.

          I am really happy for him making that such sale but I still do not like the idea of selling this kind of product.

          However, I use their blog to get traffic to my blog posts that are about IM and then link to my main website instead!

          That is actually something useful and ethical if you ask me; to use their PR to link to your website! ^^,

          Take Care & Have An Awesome Weekend, Fellow Warrior(s)! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.
          Max, that's great to hear. You would be considered a "retail customer" a person using the system and NOT participating in the actual affiliate program. Thanks for heads up.
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  • Profile picture of the author samrand
    Sorry one last question. What do you mean by no new wealth is created?
    With their affiliate system? Because they are selling information online
    with no tangible product?

    Do college campuses generate money out of thin air? Oh yes. Charging for parking,
    textbooks, security, professors, janitors, the whole school faculty.. Who funds
    all that? The people getting educated their right?

    Maybe I'm wrong but they are using their students/customers to fund their outfit right?
    (Without the reseller rights of course)
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  • Profile picture of the author Nate A
    This has been an interesting and frustrating thread....

    I am not a member of EN, nor will I ever be for 2 reasons:

    1. MLM is an inefficient business model, and here's why: If what you are selling truly is a valuable product, why would you waste time trying to build your "downline" rather than simply selling it directly to the consumer?

    2. Like many mentioned before, MLM is NOT about the product, rather it is about the dream.

    Let me explain, before anyone jumps down my throat and touts their success with EN. If you have, that's great, and you probably would have success in any venture because you are an "action taker" (I hate that term, but it gets the point across quickly).

    I had an experience with @Mway a few years ago, and I have seen how other MLMs practice the same tactics. I was invited to a "networking" event that was an amway recruiting event in disguise. They never once mentioned exactly what it was you would be doing, I had to out and out ask someone, "what the heck are they talking about?"

    The whole pitch was "you can get freedom for (insert hot-button/pain point here). You join the company and "start your own business" but the only way to succeed is if you buy the business building materials, otherwise you'll fail.

    Everyone hangs on the nuts of the double-ruby encrusted diamond or whatever. The used a lot of cult-indoctrination tactics (complete obedience to the leader), LGAT (you gotta have the mindset, don't you want to build a business, you're leaving money on the table, etc.) and good ol' fashioned hardcore sales tactics. I had to tell them to leave me alone after a while.

    If you want to do it, do it. Get after it, and hopefully you achieve success. IMHO, MLM is a zero-sum game, where the people at the top rest upon the shoulders of those at the bottom. And for those who do succeed, it seems like stepping over mountains of money to pick up pennies.

    My final thought, and this isn't just mlm, but with the guru game as well. Their is always an incredibly high failure rate at the bottom rungs, but we seldom hear about it, namely because the psychological tactics used to sell the dream also convince those that fail that it's their fault for not doing it right, or havng the right mindset, etc.

    I try to view everything through the eyes of a skeptic, and choose carefully when to suspend disbelief.

    If anything, I'll swipe some some copy for my own file, but I'll build my own business, not someone else's.
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    • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
      Originally Posted by Nate A View Post

      This has been an interesting and frustrating thread....

      I am not a member of EN, nor will I ever be for 2 reasons:

      1. MLM is an inefficient business model, and here's why: If what you are selling truly is a valuable product, why would you waste time trying to build your "downline" rather than simply selling it directly to the consumer?

      2. Like many mentioned before, MLM is NOT about the product, rather it is about the dream.

      Let me explain, before anyone jumps down my throat and touts their success with EN. If you have, that's great, and you probably would have success in any venture because you are an "action taker" (I hate that term, but it gets the point across quickly).

      I had an experience with @Mway a few years ago, and I have seen how other MLMs practice the same tactics. I was invited to a "networking" event that was an amway recruiting event in disguise. They never once mentioned exactly what it was you would be doing, I had to out and out ask someone, "what the heck are they talking about?"

      The whole pitch was "you can get freedom for (insert hot-button/pain point here). You join the company and "start your own business" but the only way to succeed is if you buy the business building materials, otherwise you'll fail.

      Everyone hangs on the nuts of the double-ruby encrusted diamond or whatever. The used a lot of cult-indoctrination tactics (complete obedience to the leader), LGAT (you gotta have the mindset, don't you want to build a business, you're leaving money on the table, etc.) and good ol' fashioned hardcore sales tactics. I had to tell them to leave me alone after a while.

      If you want to do it, do it. Get after it, and hopefully you achieve success. IMHO, MLM is a zero-sum game, where the people at the top rest upon the shoulders of those at the bottom. And for those who do succeed, it seems like stepping over mountains of money to pick up pennies.

      My final thought, and this isn't just mlm, but with the guru game as well. Their is always an incredibly high failure rate at the bottom rungs, but we seldom hear about it, namely because the psychological tactics used to sell the dream also convince those that fail that it's their fault for not doing it right, or havng the right mindset, etc.

      I try to view everything through the eyes of a skeptic, and choose carefully when to suspend disbelief.

      If anything, I'll swipe some some copy for my own file, but I'll build my own business, not someone else's.
      This is where people get confused. Empower Network isn't about promoting Empower to other people.

      They provide you with training to build your own business. The 15k formula is great at this, shows you how to SELL, get traffic, build niche/affiliate blogs and so on.

      This is building you own business.

      HOWEVER

      Many people like the idea of promoting EN because of the 100% commissions and the comp plan, and that's why the majority of the users simply promote Empower and nothing else.

      I'm actually using the "viral blogging system" to promote Amazon products. The blog ranks extremely well with just on page SEO alone, then five minutes spent doing SEO and you can be on the first page within 48 hours tops (low competition).

      I don't care what anyone says, some of the training inside the members area is top notch. Yes, most of the 'good stuff' is in the $15k formula BUT in my opinion the $1,000 you spend (or invest as it should be called) to get it is worth it as you can easily get that back building 'your own business'.

      Also, before I forget, every lead you generate you keep. If that isn't building your own business, I don't know what is.
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    • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
      Originally Posted by Nate A View Post

      This has been an interesting and frustrating thread....

      I am not a member of EN, nor will I ever be for 2 reasons:

      1. MLM is an inefficient business model, and here's why: If what you are selling truly is a valuable product, why would you waste time trying to build your "downline" rather than simply selling it directly to the consumer?

      2. Like many mentioned before, MLM is NOT about the product, rather it is about the dream.
      If a surgeon decides to quit operating, the money stops.

      If a dishwasher decides not to wash dishes, the money stops.

      If an attorney decides to stop suing people, the money stops.

      If an IRS agent decides to stop auditing people, the money stops.

      In almost every profession, when the person stops working, the money stops. But not network marketing or Empower Network!

      In EN and network marketing, it's different. In the beginning, you do a lot of groundwork and foundation building, and you don't make a lot of money. If you were being paid hourly, you could complain that you were underpaid or getting less than minimum wage.

      However, most network marketing leaders look at this building period as a learning period. It's like going to school. But, instead of paying tuition, you can earn some money while you learn.

      Once you complete the groundwork and foundation, the money formula changes drastically. Now, you are getting paid bonuses every month, even if you don't work hard or when you take a vacation.

      So, in the beginning you do a lot of work that you don't get paid for, but in the end you get a lot of pay for when you don't work.

      That's why professionals want to get into network marketing and EN. They like the residual income and the financial security it brings.

      On a sad note, there are some individuals who get into network marketing and/or Empower Network and build a foundation. But because they didn't feel they earned enough money during this learning and building stage of their career, they quit.

      Yes, they quit just before they go into the collecting stage of their careers. I guess the rewards go to people with persistence and vision.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nate A
        Originally Posted by davidbatchelor View Post

        If a surgeon decides to quit operating, the money stops.

        If a dishwasher decides not to wash dishes, the money stops.

        If an attorney decides to stop suing people, the money stops.

        If an IRS agent decides to stop auditing people, the money stops.

        In almost every profession, when the person stops working, the money stops. But not network marketing or Empower Network!
        The examples you state here are completely irrelevant to my remarks.

        Your examples are that of trading hours or services for dollars, or an employee punching in on a clock and doing work.

        I referred to building a real business. And yes, I agree, you can build a real "business" with MLM. But because you did your work to set a foundation and grow your downline, does not really allow one to rest on his laurels and collect easy passive monies.

        MLM business takes, WORK, a damn lot of it if you want to succeed. You have to stay on top of your downline big time. Because if they don't perform, you get nothing.

        A real business involves a lot of work too, but a real business involves making systems, training and motivating people, and actually having something of value that is percieved as being more valuable than an equivalent sum of money.

        I own a real business, and there was a time where if I didn't show up to work, I didn't get paid, or my members would cancel. But by putting the work in, I know when I'm going to get paid. I can take a vacation if I want and I know whats going to happen.

        And my money isn't going anywhere else, well, except for the tax man..

        Thanks for your comments, I always appreciate a good spirited discussion.
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        • Profile picture of the author shifty2112
          I ran a photography business for 8 years. I spent thousands of dollars on studio rent, equipment, marketing material and countless hours trying to get business. Things were good for a while, but things started to fall apart, the real estate market crashed, lost about 75% of my business, I did a lot of realtor headshots. This left me with a tremendous amount of debt to pay off. What does this have to do with EN? Well, the business is $125 a month to run if your in the inner-circle, another $1500 to get all the material I believe (one time cost). That is less than 2 months of rent I paid. It cost me $250 a month for electricity! $100 a month for insurance, etc... The cost of doing business was huge!!! If I can learn to do a business online, how to monetize my blog and make over the course of next year more than $125 a month, plus the $1500, I will actually be more successful than I was running a photography studio and it cost me less. The investment is actually pretty darn cheap! I do Body by Vi also and love the product. Been using it for months. I got in becuase I loved the product, not because I wanted to make a ton of cash. I have made my $450 investment back and making about $100 a month plus product free. So, Im good with it. I have not taken the plunge to spend the money on the EN products yet because I just do not have it. Once I do, I probably will.
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  • Profile picture of the author nealhart
    I'm not a member and have no axe to grind but I have only heard good things about empower. Just my 2c
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick Batty
    I wont take a lot of time to debate all the issues I see.. however I will say. I'm in EN, I'm thriving in EN. Have made more money quicker in EN than I have in my other IM oriented endeavors. I've build up a good sized team, and now even have my own team training site, and am even doing one on one coaching with my team to get them ramped up quickly.

    I'm not trying to turn this into a commercial for EN.

    It's pretty pointless to try to convince people anyway.

    I don't waste my time on that.

    I know a lot of people are sceptics.. thats cool.. I get it.

    But I just wanted to chime in and give credit to EN. It's really working for me.. and I'm no genius. With a little effort on anyones part and a good mentor to guide you.. it can work for you too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tonster
    It seems the message is clear. There are those who think the Empower Network is a good and ethical moneyspinner while others view it as just north of legal. Whatever your viewpoint it seems it isn't going to change because of anything posted here.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Can someone post their results with EN? Is it worth time and effort to promote? When posting your stats, please post how many hours you spent to get those results.

    Thanks in advance
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  • Profile picture of the author jlcs
    Sounds like very easy to make money. I haven't try it out yet.
    If for newbies, estimate time to make the first hundred dollar would be how long to take it?
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  • OK so we signed up for Empower Network a few weeks ago to see what the hype was all about, turns out the guy without the shirt on knows what he is talking about. If you spend money on this system you can and will make money, we are currently doing different paid and non paid advertising for it and blogging daily, in just a few short weeks we have started to see some results, I will be happy to post more results as we see more of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    Originally Posted by Salesmanship In Print View Post

    There is no 'product' with Empower, other than 'the dream' of getting rich quick, at any cost. They rely totally upon the unbridled enthusiasm of those who are 'desperate to get rich,' and upon the lock-step conformity of their newly formed devotees.
    So you got in and went through the funnel? How do you know there is no 'product'?

    Just curious on how you came to this conclusion
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  • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Veritas
    Not sure about pyramid scheme, but you probably do have to get in early for it to really work for you as most might hope. I tend to look for companies with profit share. Doesn't matter so much when you come in.
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  • Profile picture of the author eladwin1
    I know this genius affiliate program, empowernetwork, anyone who wants to start writing blog so empowernetwork provides professional blog cheap price!
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  • Profile picture of the author 3dhotshot
    Hi There, I may be a Total Newbie but It's common sense for people to actually research a company before getting involved with it especially if you are paying a large amount to be all in ! I mean really people come one. I personally have not been with empower but one of my partners has been with them over the past 3 months and did not have a good experience.

    Delayed payments and problems with the merchant accounts and so on ! You really need to look at the finer details and pay attention before you go out and spend your hard earned cash. and who in their right mind wants to pay an extra fee to be able to get their commissions

    Again there are people that are having success furthermore there are better more dynamic companies out there who are more invested in the persons success who are truly in the game to help people.

    An example of this would be a company that takes care of the merchant accounts - pays you direct to your bank account weekly. Done for you marketing systems including automated presentations, capture pages and a cutting edge sales funnel. All you need do is drive traffic to the offer and build a few connections. Above all a simple and powerful system that can be explained to a person in under a minute !

    All the best for 2013 !
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    • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
      Originally Posted by 3dhotshot View Post

      Hi There, I may be a Total Newbie but It's common sense for people to actually research a company before getting involved with it especially if you are paying a large amount to be all in ! I mean really people come one. I personally have not been with empower but one of my partners has been with them over the past 3 months and did not have a good experience.

      Delayed payments and problems with the merchant accounts and so on ! You really need to look at the finer details and pay attention before you go out and spend your hard earned cash. and who in their right mind wants to pay an extra fee to be able to get their commissions

      Again there are people that are having success furthermore there are better more dynamic companies out there who are more invested in the persons success who are truly in the game to help people.

      An example of this would be a company that takes care of the merchant accounts - pays you direct to your bank account weekly. Done for you marketing systems including automated presentations, capture pages and a cutting edge sales funnel. All you need do is drive traffic to the offer and build a few connections. Above all a simple and powerful system that can be explained to a person in under a minute !

      All the best for 2013 !
      I have never had an issue with delayed payments. Are you sure your friend is telling you the complete truth regarding this and had things set up correctly?

      Empower Network has done for you marketing systems including automated presentations, capture pages and a cutting edge sales funnel.

      The hard part for many people is driving traffic, hence I show people how to do that simply and effectively and offer them an alternative option.

      Which is to Hire PROFESSIONALS to build their Network Marketing Business for them.

      Who Professionally & Systematically BUILDS the Qualified:
      3rd PARTY MLM Company For Individuals - WorldWide.

      They do all the hard work:

      Generating Leads, Converting and Selling!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ladyinbiz
    I have been an internet marketer for 7yrs. now and can't say enough about Empower Network. It is a great system that you can use to promote any business, or become an affiliate. I have learned more in 2 months than all my 7yrs. True, you do have to do some work, but they make it easy and fun. I love EN!
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  • Profile picture of the author ATL
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    Breaking News:Empower Network Results!
    *Ive been in for 2 months.
    *I have the $25 blog and the $100 inner circle
    *I have about 50 quality blogs on my site
    *I took the advice of my sponsor and got a $397 package with cpcbroker.com to get mega leads
    *I listened to a inner circle training about a guy that made major dough with Empower Network doing text messages.
    *I decided to spend $135 leads to do my own text messages with an iPhone app
    *My results are AMAZING!
    *I got a whopping 80 leads total from the cpcbroker.com, text messaging, and the $25 dollar blogging product
    *Drum Roll Please Before I reveal my Grand Total Made!!!!
    *On the front end I made $0.00 ($25 blogging product)
    *But on the back end I made $0.00 (inner circle and all other upsells)
    I will be putting and end to this mess ASAP. I put serious elbow grease into this thing. I used the 100 auto responder messages and even created some testimonial videos that others in the Empower network that supposedly made good money. Another person posted on here that they weren't able to make any money at all with the $25 dollar product. I immediately found that to be true after I had already gotten in. So I decided to do some of the other marketing tactics recommended by my sponsor who happens to be one of the top earners in Empower Network. They recommended to use a auto blogging software which come to find out they aren't even using. After further research the sponsor had an already established IM following due to previous success with another company. Long story short people. I would stay as far away as possible from this thing. You may and I stress may make money but only after you spend a grip on marketing. One more thing. Notice how everyone talking about how good it is hasn't said anything about how much money they made or if they did make some its barely anything probably to what they invested. Hopefully this is the last post in this thread if you catch my drift.
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  • Profile picture of the author WAL08
    Disclaimer: I am not in EM.

    My background is in internet marketing, and ebay. I've had much more success on ebay then I have on internet marketing.

    About a year ago I heard about this EM "thing" and just thought it was one of those fly by night trash programs that pop up. Sometime recently I saw a friend of mine post something on facebook about it, and I thought.. really? lol

    But then I did a little digging and I remember back in 2003 a MLMr name Tony Rush whom I used to follow, as I was into MLM back in 2003-2005, joined the company. That led me to look at it again.

    What I see is a chance for savvy internet marketers, put to use their skills they learn on the warrior forum and actually make residual income.

    I'm actually surprised at all of the negativity on this forum, yet these same people who are so negative drop their hard earned money on all these crappy WSO's that come out hourly these days.

    I guess it's easier to buy a $5 dream with 10 OTO's that you know won't work... then it is to by a $25 system with a $100/$500 oto that has the feel of a MLM... but in reality it's a better system which has of helping you earn money the that crappy WSO.

    Am I missing something?
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  • Profile picture of the author leoenoch
    Well, Just my 2 cents of worth, I joined empower network and after watching the videos, I decided to quit it, I hate being called a woosie everytime so that they can take $1500 out of my pocket. They are just playing with your ego.

    I would rather use that $1,500 to buy Solo Ads or other media buys I think building my List Assets is much better way than listening to them calling people woosies and paying money to something that is not clear of values.

    Thats just my personal take. And Why I don't like MLM, because a lot of them are using tactics like this that I think personally is unethical. Although I am very sure there are a lot really good people doing MLM businesses.
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  • Profile picture of the author WAL08
    That is a very good point, I actually meant to say that in my previous post. I can understand if people don't agree with the core philosophy of the leaders.

    It does seem a bit extreme IMHO.
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  • Profile picture of the author foenyxly
    Why not join Banners Broker... I spend 3 months with EN, write blog everyday promoting affiliated offers, but makes no money, nor even have a recruit...then I found BB, started out with $470, as of November, 2011, already withdrawn $2500. No recruit, no blogging, just strategilized how I want to grow my account. My account earns $1000/6-7 weeks.
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  • Profile picture of the author successproducts
    All methods work to some degrees. And the thing is you can make the same video like EN because it's the thing that converts and create the same club and you make all the money.

    My problem with EN is what really that you sell? I guess the beauty is that you don't have to buy anything tangible except your membership monthly and get others to buy into your dream.

    But then again selling craps having the same effects but at least you have some ebooks in your hands. hahaha ... I am actually laughing.

    I don't know but each is into its own - if it works for you duplicate the success 10 times more.
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  • Profile picture of the author kellio48
    In looking through this thread I see the vast majority of posts are negative but like me, the vast number of negatives have probably never tried it and of those who have, most appear to be fairly new to the WF which indicates they are probably reasonably new to IM as well.
    Now I'm not going to post negative comments on something I've never tried but one thing which stands out on the sales page is the threat of the price increasing soon. While that's hardly a new tactic, most I've seen in the past, particularly with WSO's is that the price does indeed increase.
    However, this has been around now at since early in 2012 and the price has not increased. IMHO, if that part is B/S, chances are at least some of the rest is as well.
    Yes, maybe if you put the work in you well may make money but that applies to thousands of other online money making systems as well.
    I'm not completely sure on this but it also seems that non US members need to join a payment system for an additional fee in order to get paid.
    Someone mentioned that Facebook won't touch it so it's also likely that PayPal won't either.
    I've visited other IM forums who also have threads on EM and the general consensus is the same as it is here.
    I realize that there will be skeptics regardless of how good a product or system is but I've been marketing online long enough to be wary of the next bright and shiny thing to appear and this sets off some alarm bells which will leave me sitting on the proverbial fence.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael_Le
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    why would you pay $25 to have a blog on their site when you can put all that effort into building your own? all that work you put in is only going to benefit EN, no wonder their site is ranking so high......MLM relies heavily on new recruits paying the joining fee to spread the money around.......Yournetbiz was the MLM doing the rounds a few years back and it seems EN has simply replaced it.

    if your serious about making money online, have a long term business plan and strategy. MLM will always ever be a short term strategy.
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    • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
      Originally Posted by Michael_Le View Post


      if your serious about making money online, have a long term business plan and strategy. MLM will always ever be a short term strategy.
      Hey Michael,

      And in your expert opinion, what are you basing that on?
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  • Profile picture of the author jon poland
    I have not reviewed Empower Network, in large part because I have very little interest in MLM / Network Marketing for the following reason: "Control."

    A big reason why many of us become entrepreneurs is because we want control of our business. With a network marketing opportunity, if the company goes belly up -- you and your business are screwed. Network marketing companies come and they go. And when they go, so do the businesses of thousands of their affiliates and distributors.

    You can be running a very profitable and ethical operation. But if the company you are representing runs into problems, there goes your business.

    If you have multiple income streams, perhaps a network marketing opportunity makes sense. But if the network marketing company is your "one" business, I believe you are taking a huge risk.

    It's kind of like the internet marketer who is reliant on one traffic source. If that one traffic source goes away, so does the marketer's business.
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    • Profile picture of the author ejm
      I just joined EN yesterday. In the past I've seen EN all over the internet and thought about joining but never did until now. The main reason I joined this time is because someone offered to mentor me with EN. If you would like to have access to the same mentor as I do please PM me.

      I used to be involved with a few MLM companies and never made any money with them. I don't consider EN to be a traditional MLM company.

      EN does have a comp plan (pass-up) that makes it an MLM but when you compare it to traditional MLM companies it's very different in many ways.

      Traditional MLM companies promote vitamins, health products, phone service, etc.

      EN sells a blogging system and training that I feel that it's more easier for affiliates to duplicate the strategies.

      Traditional MLM companies requires a lot of personal interactions. EN is done completely online.

      One of the nice things about EN is it's great for those that want to start blogging without having to worry about all of the technicalities when setting up a blog in the beginning.
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      • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
        Originally Posted by ejm View Post

        I just joined EN yesterday. In the past I've seen EN all over the internet and thought about joining but never did until now. The main reason I joined this time is because someone offered to mentor me with EN. If you would like to have access to the same mentor as I do please PM me.
        Oh yes, that is one of the tricks some of them use, supposedly personal mentoring.

        Who did you join under?
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          • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
            Originally Posted by ejm View Post

            I don't consider it as a trick at all. It's a genuine offer because it's in my mentor's interest to mentor me because if I get results my mentor will also be rewarded. He's giving value. He's currently working with me on 1 on 1 basis.

            These days most people don't buy into products that are a dime a dozen. They join people that gives value.
            Sounds to me like they have conned you.

            I mean that is why David & David want you to get all in so that you get the so called mentoring.
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            • Profile picture of the author ejm
              Originally Posted by davidbatchelor View Post

              Sounds to me like they have conned you.

              I mean that is why David & David want you to get all in so that you get the so called mentoring.
              They are not conning anyone. They've created a business system that gives average people the ability to earn 100% commissions. From watching the videos inside the affiliates area I do agree that they are convincing affiliates to "go all in" to get all of the training and maximize earnings, but it's not a requirement. I'm just starting at the $25 level and will reinvest part of my earnings to upgrade. I'm getting the training from my upline.
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              • Profile picture of the author mattpol
                I agree, I am also a member of Empower Network and it has been a good experience.

                I joined after attending the Atlanta event with a friend. I starting doing fairly well by august. I placed in the top 150 affiliates leaderboard at spot #88 i believe.

                The san diego event was also a great experience, and i'm looking forward to continue promoting empower network in 2013.

                I would not be a bit surprised if en grows at a faster rate this year then last.
                How big do you think EN will get this year?
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              • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
                Originally Posted by ejm View Post

                They are not conning anyone. They've created a business system that gives average people the ability to earn 100% commissions. From watching the videos inside the affiliates area I do agree that they are convincing affiliates to "go all in" to get all of the training and maximize earnings, but it's not a requirement. I'm just starting at the $25 level and will reinvest part of my earnings to upgrade. I'm getting the training from my upline.
                I was referring to this person's sponsor who I was replying to getting some special mentoring over and above what the EN business offers.
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            • Profile picture of the author profithunter7
              I haven't joined Empower Network. But this is my take on it.
              If you want to make money in IM it is good to have your own blog so you can
              promote your own product or other people's stuff or affiliate products. But you
              need first page ranking on the Google, Bing, Yahoo! etc. to get traffic and sales.
              I've noticed that some EN blogs get good page ranking on Google. So EN blogs
              have credibility and value if you are thinking of blogging.
              So, there really is nothing wrong with EN. The only thing is this: Are you willing
              to put up with the $25 to try for success?
              So EN blog is a tool well worth considering, like any other marketing tool.
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  • Profile picture of the author rossm
    Not sure how EN members sleep at night.

    EN offers a product of no tangiable value. Too many people on here who are blogging on EN say they receive no traffic from it whatsoever.

    So what do you get for your $25? SQUAT.

    You can only make money by sucking people into the same trap.

    As an experienced and ethical IM, I sell products of value that help solve an issue for people, I get great feedback and I sleep very well at night.

    EN is a hungry beast which needs feeding, and its members are like drug addicts. And when the drugs run out, thousands of people at the bottom of the pyramid who have spent there money joining EN from your referrals will be out of pocket.

    Ethical? Sleep well folks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shanks1
      Originally Posted by rossm View Post

      Not sure how EN members sleep at night.

      EN offers a product of no tangible value. Too many people on here who are blogging on EN say they receive no traffic from it whatsoever.

      So what do you get for your $25? SQUAT.

      You can only make money by sucking people into the same trap.

      As an experienced and ethical IM, I sell products of value that help solve an issue for people, I get great feedback and I sleep very well at night.

      EN is a hungry beast which needs feeding, and its members are like drug addicts. And when the drugs run out, thousands of people at the bottom of the pyramid who have spent there money joining EN from your referrals will be out of pocket.

      Ethical? Sleep well folks.
      I have to disagree with you on this. There are a lot of members inside of Empower Network that get free traffic by using their blog. You can do searches for a lot of topics in Google and run across an EN blog.

      The domain is aged, and receives thousands of new blog posts each day which allows the blog posts to get ranked on Google naturally. There is a reason that EmpowerNetwork.com is ranked #242 in the US and #513 Globally on Alexa.

      I've been in Empower Network since the beginning, and sleep well at night. Just because EN doesn't provide any physical products makes them unEthical? Are you kidding me. Have you joined EN?

      Yes, the $25 provides a blogging system with high converting sales page, landers, and guidelines on best practices for blogging... The 2nd package in EN is by far one of best in the industry with audio training from marketers in the industry who have had a lot of success and want to share their strategies. They teach how to market and brand your business. I don't know how you can say that isn't valuable.

      You will find a lot more information in the products that EN provides than you will in 99% of the WSOs sold on this forum. Most of that is just rehashed material from another seller with just a fresh coat of paint on it. You can be nickled and dimed on this forum and other sites out there buying crap marketing material where you still have to go out and build a website, create a high converting sales page, create all the images for sales pages, and at the end of the day find a product to sell or create one that provides value. OR you can join a company like EN that has done this for you.

      The company has over 70,000 members and cycled over $14,000,000 through the company in just over a year. They are a real company that is not going anywhere.

      So yes, I sleep well at night knowing I am selling a high quality product that provides REAL value to its members.
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      • Profile picture of the author scrunchie
        Hmm.

        I've been a member of Empower for around a month. So far I have only seen a few of the training videos. I haven't seen the blog because the system won't let me log into it. (It keeps teling me that I haven't got permission to access it even though I am a fully paid up member of the basic $25 membership) I've contacted support who have told me that they do not have an estimated timeframe that my problem will be resolved in.

        Is anyone else having this problem? If its not resolved soon I shall quit it because I feel that I cannot promote something that isn't working properly.
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Canfield
          I am not taking sides here but I do want to point out that you MAY be able to get better rankings with your own blog as opposed to a blog on the Empower Network.

          Google uses Social Indicators as part of their search algorithm, The biggest social media website Is Facebook. Facebook has banned the Empower Network. This would seem to be a negative mark of ranking your content with the Empower Network blog. I know you can still rank content on their but you if you are going to market the EN then you should do it with your own blog where you do not start off with any negative marks.
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    • Profile picture of the author MaxTheMarketer
      Originally Posted by rossm View Post

      Not sure how EN members sleep at night.

      EN offers a product of no tangiable value. Too many people on here who are blogging on EN say they receive no traffic from it whatsoever.

      So what do you get for your $25? SQUAT.

      You can only make money by sucking people into the same trap.

      As an experienced and ethical IM, I sell products of value that help solve an issue for people, I get great feedback and I sleep very well at night.

      EN is a hungry beast which needs feeding, and its members are like drug addicts. And when the drugs run out, thousands of people at the bottom of the pyramid who have spent there money joining EN from your referrals will be out of pocket.

      Ethical? Sleep well folks.
      I totally agree. I am currently a "member" of EN (but will probably leave after this month has ended), as a friend of mine told me, excitingly, to join and he has made $250k in one year now since the start but through expensive methods so if you are having a tight budget it is NOT recommended to join EN unless you are able to spend lots of money on buying solo ads for tested targeted e-mail lists.

      I am also imaging all lives he is currently destroying (which I find heartbreaking that he ONLY cares about the money and not helping people or getting success-stories from people who he has genuinely helped) by selling something that teaches you to sell the very same thing you were sold.

      As the product is about making money (which is evident by the sales-video's content), the money has to come from somewhere and after everyone has bought the product that is supposed to produce money, who is left to give money to anyone? That's the thing with "pyramid-schemes".

      Internet Marketing is NOT about knowing how to scam, trick, manipulate or make people something they do not want to. IM is about selling something that actually HELPS people.

      Why do you think a friend of yours are willing to pay you sometime when you help them? Because they find it THAT valuable and it produces something that they consider tangible results in their lives.

      I find it very distasteful when marketers ONLY want to make money no matter how little they actually help their customers with their products or services. Of course, customers must apply the products or services they purchase but we all know greediness is the enemy of the genuine desire to help other human beings.

      As I always say in my training programs, "Don't try to sell people sand in the Sahara Desert, sell them jackets on the North Pole!" That's the essence of great marketing: selling something people really need or want that they can achieve by purchasing your product or service.

      Take Care & Have An Awesome Weekend! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.
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      • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
        Originally Posted by MaxTheMarketer View Post

        I totally agree. I am currently a "member" of EN (but will probably leave after this month has ended), as a friend of mine told me, excitingly, to join and he has made $250k in one year now since the start but through expensive methods so if you are having a tight budget it is NOT recommended to join EN unless you are able to spend lots of money on buying solo ads for tested targeted e-mail lists.

        I am also imaging all lives he is currently destroying (which I find heartbreaking that he ONLY cares about the money and not helping people or getting success-stories from people who he has genuinely helped) by selling something that teaches you to sell the very same thing you were sold.

        As the product is about making money (which is evident by the sales-video's content), the money has to come from somewhere and after everyone has bought the product that is supposed to produce money, who is left to give money to anyone? That's the thing with "pyramid-schemes".

        Internet Marketing is NOT about knowing how to scam, trick, manipulate or make people something they do not want to. IM is about selling something that actually HELPS people.

        Why do you think a friend of yours are willing to pay you sometime when you help them? Because they find it THAT valuable and it produces something that they consider tangible results in their lives.

        I find it very distasteful when marketers ONLY want to make money no matter how little they actually help their customers with their products or services. Of course, customers must apply the products or services they purchase but we all know greediness is the enemy of the genuine desire to help other human beings.

        As I always say in my training programs, "Don't try to sell people sand in the Sahara Desert, sell them jackets on the North Pole!" That's the essence of great marketing: selling something people really need or want that they can achieve by purchasing your product or service.

        Take Care & Have An Awesome Weekend! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.
        Hey Max,

        great points.

        It's interesting that they rave about people such as Vick strizheus and Michaelangelo Lopez that samrand points out above who have already experienced HUGE success, but not once have I seen them rave about the success of somebody with no previous IM experience making it big in EN, unless it was a long time ago when solo ad providers where a lot more favourable with EN members.

        I had to laugh and at the same time cringe yesterday when David Wood posted that he had hired limo's to take his family to a restaurant and made a big deal out of what a giver he was. When it comes to giving, I think of people like Mother Theresa and certainly not David Wood, Tony Rush or other leaders in EN who like to gloat abut the new toys they have brought, but never about charities they support etc. I guess that's because they don't or at least not like how Mother Theresa and others give/gave.

        It's exactly like you said Max 'we all know greediness is the enemy of the genuine desire to help other human beings.'
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        • Profile picture of the author samrand
          Originally Posted by davidbatchelor View Post

          Hey Max,

          great points.

          It's interesting that they rave about people such as Vick strizheus and Michaelangelo Lopez that samrand points out above who have already experienced HUGE success, but not once have I seen them rave about the success of somebody with no previous IM experience making it big in EN, unless it was a long time ago when solo ad providers where a lot more favourable with EN members.

          I had to laugh and at the same time cringe yesterday when David Wood posted that he had hired limo's to take his family to a restaurant and made a big deal out of what a giver he was. When it comes to giving, I think of people like Mother Theresa and certainly not David Wood, Tony Rush or other leaders in EN who like to gloat abut the new toys they have brought, but never about charities they support etc. I guess that's because they don't or at least not like how Mother Theresa and others give/gave.

          It's exactly like you said Max 'we all know greediness is the enemy of the genuine desire to help other human beings.'
          Completely false friend and you are misinforming
          people. Anybody who wants to know facts go to empower network.com
          They're LAST 4 blog posts was a no name 19 year old
          who is now making $9,000 a month. Cool story I must
          say. A few blog posts down David Sharpe is helping
          with a project with Habitat for Humanity with a video
          presenting a big check.

          It's crazy to me how people can make sh$& up when the information
          is so easily found and public.

          For all you skeptics do REAL due dilligence
          because people will mislead you on this forum
          with misinformation and false recomrndations.
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      • Profile picture of the author samrand
        Originally Posted by MaxTheMarketer View Post

        I totally agree. I am currently a "member" of EN (but will probably leave after this month has ended), as a friend of mine told me, excitingly, to join and he has made $250k in one year now since the start but through expensive methods so if you are having a tight budget it is NOT recommended to join EN unless you are able to spend lots of money on buying solo ads for tested targeted e-mail lists.

        I am also imaging all lives he is currently destroying (which I find heartbreaking that he ONLY cares about the money and not helping people or getting success-stories from people who he has genuinely helped) by selling something that teaches you to sell the very same thing you were sold.

        As the product is about making money (which is evident by the sales-video's content), the money has to come from somewhere and after everyone has bought the product that is supposed to produce money, who is left to give money to anyone? That's the thing with "pyramid-schemes".

        Internet Marketing is NOT about knowing how to scam, trick, manipulate or make people something they do not want to. IM is about selling something that actually HELPS people.

        Why do you think a friend of yours are willing to pay you sometime when you help them? Because they find it THAT valuable and it produces something that they consider tangible results in their lives.

        I find it very distasteful when marketers ONLY want to make money no matter how little they actually help their customers with their products or services. Of course, customers must apply the products or services they purchase but we all know greediness is the enemy of the genuine desire to help other human beings.

        As I always say in my training programs, "Don't try to sell people sand in the Sahara Desert, sell them jackets on the North Pole!" That's the essence of great marketing: selling something people really need or want that they can achieve by purchasing your product or service.

        Take Care & Have An Awesome Weekend! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.
        Good lord! The PRODUCT once and for all is marketing education
        with modules that cover a wide range of marketing avenues from internet
        to offline. I'm not even in the company and I know this but would it be safe to say
        you only bought the blog? Being that it's marketing info that they're bundling
        why do you think the money will dry out when there's nobody left?
        People will always pursue education. You think a college institution is worried
        about there being no people left to sell their education to?

        Oh yeah "all the lives he's currently destroying".....Is your life destroyed now because you
        were unsuccessful with EN?
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        • Profile picture of the author MaxTheMarketer
          Originally Posted by samrand View Post

          Good lord! The PRODUCT once and for all is marketing education
          with modules that cover a wide range of marketing avenues from internet
          to offline. I'm not even in the company and I know this but would it be safe to say
          you only bought the blog? Being that it's marketing info that they're bundling
          why do you think the money will dry out when there's nobody left?
          People will always pursue education. You think a college institution is worried
          about there being no people left to sell their education to?

          Oh yeah "all the lives he's currently destroying".....Is your life destroyed now because you
          were unsuccessful with EN?
          Hello there! Thank you very much for replying. I scrolled through your other replies and you seem to be the very first "troll" I have come across here on this forum.

          I thought "trolls" were to be found on less serious sites and video games forums (SWTOR, SC2 & D3; yeah, I am gaming nerdballer myself). However, it is of course only my interpretation that you sound like a "troll".

          Take this interpretation from me as constructive feedback since I believe you want to be perceived as a respected authortiy and not a 18-year old girl seeking attention online because she aint getting any offline? ;-)

          Now, onto your reply in itself (enough me sound like "Tarzan-boy")...

          Your comparison of education in schools and education in EN is wrong in one way; when people to schools they KNOW what they are getting for their money; education.

          The majority of people seeking to (or finding) EN is looking for "fast cash", NOT education or a blog where they know you won't know exactly what to do, so they have upselling where you will have to spend about $1000 BEFORE you can actually get enough "education" to start making money.

          And here's the other catch: most people finding EN are already POOR and want to make money so they can get by in life, so they are really in trouble when they find it.

          Put your hand on your heart, dear troll (sorry for calling you that, but your tonality and style in posts here really sound like that), and tell me, is that really OKAY by them?

          And to answer "my life being destroyed", luckily in my own case, it was not, I have other issues now haha, however, I kinda knew what I was getting into and I soon realized it was really about "u gotta have cash to spend to make cash".

          And as said once before; most people joining EN do NOT have that amount of cash to get the system rolling. Also, what makes everything more tragic in my point of view is that they are then trying to get more poor people to the very same thing; throwing their money at something that does not really exist.

          It is a negative, unethical and bad spiral, MLM in a sense, and NO ONE should get involved. If you REALLY want to make fast money and still helping people, here is what I advice ANYONE to do right now (takes you 10 minutes):

          1. Go to Fiverr.com and create an account as a seller

          2. Create a testimonial gig (video-, audio- or written-based)

          3. Sell this gig as people will always need testimonials from different people (they cannot just buy the same testimonial from the same person several times and use it on the same product) and most people realize the power of testimonials due to the social proof mechanism in human social behavior

          I did this and just within days I started to get a couple of orders and money were rolling in while I could feel good about myself at nights knowing that I was helping people and NOT starving their kids to death.

          Take Care & Have An Awesome Day, Fellow Warrior! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.

          P.S. The reason I mention kids so much is because I really want to discourage people joining since it is really NOT helping the majority of people and many people joining this are desperate families trying to what they can to give their children a bright future, and you are literally taking advantage of them like a beautiful gold-digger does with an insecure millionaire-man.
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          • Profile picture of the author KnockYourBlogOff
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            Originally Posted by MaxTheMarketer View Post


            It is a negative, unethical and bad spiral, MLM in a sense, and NO ONE should get involved. If you REALLY want to make fast money and still helping people, here is what I advice ANYONE to do right now (takes you 10 minutes):

            1. Go to Fiverr.com and create an account as a seller

            2. Create a testimonial gig (video-, audio- or written-based)

            3. Sell this gig as people will always need testimonials from different people (they cannot just buy the same testimonial from the same person several times and use it on the same product) and most people realize the power of testimonials due to the social proof mechanism in human social behavior

            I did this and just within days I started to get a couple of orders and money were rolling in while I could feel good about myself at nights knowing that I was helping people and NOT starving their kids to death.
            Max, I was loving what you were saying until you started talking about the fiverr gig. I find it ironic that you would condemn EN for being immoral (as it is) but then tell someone to make fake testimonials that are illegal and immoral.
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            • Profile picture of the author MaxTheMarketer
              Originally Posted by KnockYourBlogOff View Post

              Max, I was loving what you were saying until you started talking about the fiverr gig. I find it ironic that you would condemn EN for being immoral (as it is) but then tell someone to make fake testimonials that are illegal and immoral.
              Oops! My bad and my fault. I take full responsibility for saying that. It is correct that you should NEVER sell testimonials due to it being illegal and immoral.

              You have all the right in the world, to offer people free products and let them evaluate your product on their own, no matter how good or bad the testimonial will turn out.

              Take Care & Have An Awesome Weekend, Fellow Warrior! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.
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          • Profile picture of the author samrand
            Originally Posted by MaxTheMarketer View Post

            Hello there! Thank you very much for replying. I scrolled through your other replies and you seem to be the very first "troll" I have come across here on this forum.

            I thought "trolls" were to be found on less serious sites and video games forums (SWTOR, SC2 & D3; yeah, I am gaming nerdballer myself). However, it is of course only my interpretation that you sound like a "troll".

            Take this interpretation from me as constructive feedback since I believe you want to be perceived as a respected authortiy and not a 18-year old girl seeking attention online because she aint getting any offline? ;-)

            Now, onto your reply in itself (enough me sound like "Tarzan-boy")...

            Your comparison of education in schools and education in EN is wrong in one way; when people to schools they KNOW what they are getting for their money; education.

            The majority of people seeking to (or finding) EN is looking for "fast cash", NOT education or a blog where they know you won't know exactly what to do, so they have upselling where you will have to spend about $1000 BEFORE you can actually get enough "education" to start making money.

            And here's the other catch: most people finding EN are already POOR and want to make money so they can get by in life, so they are really in trouble when they find it.

            Put your hand on your heart, dear troll (sorry for calling you that, but your tonality and style in posts here really sound like that), and tell me, is that really OKAY by them?

            And to answer "my life being destroyed", luckily in my own case, it was not, I have other issues now haha, however, I kinda knew what I was getting into and I soon realized it was really about "u gotta have cash to spend to make cash".

            And as said once before; most people joining EN do NOT have that amount of cash to get the system rolling. Also, what makes everything more tragic in my point of view is that they are then trying to get more poor people to the very same thing; throwing their money at something that does not really exist.

            It is a negative, unethical and bad spiral, MLM in a sense, and NO ONE should get involved. If you REALLY want to make fast money and still helping people, here is what I advice ANYONE to do right now (takes you 10 minutes):

            1. Go to Fiverr.com and create an account as a seller

            2. Create a testimonial gig (video-, audio- or written-based)

            3. Sell this gig as people will always need testimonials from different people (they cannot just buy the same testimonial from the same person several times and use it on the same product) and most people realize the power of testimonials due to the social proof mechanism in human social behavior

            I did this and just within days I started to get a couple of orders and money were rolling in while I could feel good about myself at nights knowing that I was helping people and NOT starving their kids to death.

            Take Care & Have An Awesome Day, Fellow Warrior! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.

            P.S. The reason I mention kids so much is because I really want to discourage people joining since it is really NOT helping the majority of people and many people joining this are desperate families trying to what they can to give their children a bright future, and you are literally taking advantage of them like a beautiful gold-digger does with an insecure millionaire-man.

            Yeah you started off tacky with the "18 year old girl who doesn't get none offline" and then finished off with the oh so bad advice regarding selling fiverr gig testimonials.
            Ouch!

            Sorry you think I'm a troll but some people just don't understand people who are on
            the opposite side of an opinion. I've replied to some posts on here, but mainly to people such as yourself with your dramatization. 90% of people who join EN are
            in bankruptcy, forclosure, and no food to feed their kids right?

            You have nothing to back up your assumptions, I know, but lets just get to the meat
            and potatoes shall we?

            People join EN by and large because they want to make money we all know that.
            The reality is that they should know that they will become a marketer with whatever
            they are "pushing" online. Say you for instance. You're from Sweden? You sell your
            "dating advice" to my countrymen (USA) because you think you're solving a problem for us out here with your extensive knowledge of the white European women out there?

            On behalf of all heterosexual American men who can't get laid much obliged.
            I certainly hope some of your "tips" can help some of my fellow Americans.
            EN simply allows you to resell their business and most people are inclined to
            do that because of their funnel and sales system setup. If you take a step back
            for a second to study the model you can examine a well laid out funnel designed to
            make sales and apply that in your own projects or company.

            That's exactly what their system teaches. Every marketer, even you, wants to
            know how to market better and convert better because at the end of the day we're
            all SELLING something okay?

            So lets stop whining about what you think is a REAL problem. You want to know a
            real problem? Bad marketing
            Bad marketing= no sales
            Real problem? comp plans to make product/company owners rich.
            Bad for the owners...no
            Bad for the affiliates...yes
            EN yes has made this a flagship also with their company to escape the "slavery"
            type comp models.

            So whether you agree or not (which I already know your position) EN solves
            a comp plan issue for a lot of people. EN solves a problem with a lot of peoples marketing and mindframe. There's testimonials on this very page of that.

            Are those not real issues for people Max?

            EN specialty is marketing mastery and sales conversions. The problem is that they let anybody
            resell their products with that kick ass funnel and comp plan. So naturally people
            said screw applying this knowledge elsewhere. I'll just sell whats already proven to
            convert. Then with the exploding number of affiliates, people such as yourself then think
            the products are just methods to resell the products. I understand your confusion
            and others on this thread.

            Their gift is their curse. If say David Wood had just came out and sold a $1,000
            product on "conversions and sales mastery from a 7 figure marketer" and he didn't
            let affiliates resell it for 100% then this discussion isn't happening. He would probably be commended for an outstanding product.

            When you open up the floodgates to affiliates and introduce a comp plan that
            the industry really hasn't seen and it spreads like wildfire it became less about
            the quality of product but it became more about it being a clever cult, pyramid, mlm....

            There will always be people who think Americans never landed on the moon
            so it's no use trying convince them otherwise but the real problem with EN is
            that they made a "mistake" in opening up an affiliate network with a comp
            plan and sales funnel that makes it hard for people to NOT want to promote it.
            Shame on EN. Why did they make such a desirable offer. Damn marketers!

            True indeed that it is already a business in a box. The reality is is that the bigger
            it grows with new affiliates the more scam, pyramid etc talk will progress.
            As with almost anything that becomes successful and powerful.

            It is what it is love it or hate it.

            EN is a company who sells marketing products with a wildly popular
            comp plan.

            Interpret it as you wish.

            All the best.
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            • Profile picture of the author MaxTheMarketer
              Originally Posted by samrand View Post

              Yeah you started off tacky with the "18 year old girl who doesn't get none offline" and then finished off with the oh so bad advice regarding selling fiverr gig testimonials.
              Ouch!

              Sorry you think I'm a troll but some people just don't understand people who are on
              the opposite side of an opinion. I've replied to some posts on here, but mainly to people such as yourself with your dramatization. 90% of people who join EN are
              in bankruptcy, forclosure, and no food to feed their kids right?

              You have nothing to back up your assumptions, I know, but lets just get to the meat
              and potatoes shall we?

              People join EN by and large because they want to make money we all know that.
              The reality is that they should know that they will become a marketer with whatever
              they are "pushing" online. Say you for instance. You're from Sweden? You sell your
              "dating advice" to my countrymen (USA) because you think you're solving a problem for us out here with your extensive knowledge of the white European women out there?

              On behalf of all heterosexual American men who can't get laid much obliged.
              I certainly hope some of your "tips" can help some of my fellow Americans.
              EN simply allows you to resell their business and most people are inclined to
              do that because of their funnel and sales system setup. If you take a step back
              for a second to study the model you can examine a well laid out funnel designed to
              make sales and apply that in your own projects or company.

              That's exactly what their system teaches. Every marketer, even you, wants to
              know how to market better and convert better because at the end of the day we're
              all SELLING something okay?

              So lets stop whining about what you think is a REAL problem. You want to know a
              real problem? Bad marketing
              Bad marketing= no sales
              Real problem? comp plans to make product/company owners rich.
              Bad for the owners...no
              Bad for the affiliates...yes
              EN yes has made this a flagship also with their company to escape the "slavery"
              type comp models.

              So whether you agree or not (which I already know your position) EN solves
              a comp plan issue for a lot of people. EN solves a problem with a lot of peoples marketing and mindframe. There's testimonials on this very page of that.

              Are those not real issues for people Max?

              EN specialty is marketing mastery and sales conversions. The problem is that they let anybody
              resell their products with that kick ass funnel and comp plan. So naturally people
              said screw applying this knowledge elsewhere. I'll just sell whats already proven to
              convert. Then with the exploding number of affiliates, people such as yourself then think
              the products are just methods to resell the products. I understand your confusion
              and others on this thread.

              Their gift is their curse. If say David Wood had just came out and sold a $1,000
              product on "conversions and sales mastery from a 7 figure marketer" and he didn't
              let affiliates resell it for 100% then this discussion isn't happening. He would probably be commended for an outstanding product.

              When you open up the floodgates to affiliates and introduce a comp plan that
              the industry really hasn't seen and it spreads like wildfire it became less about
              the quality of product but it became more about it being a clever cult, pyramid, mlm....

              There will always be people who think Americans never landed on the moon
              so it's no use trying convince them otherwise but the real problem with EN is
              that they made a "mistake" in opening up an affiliate network with a comp
              plan and sales funnel that makes it hard for people to NOT want to promote it.
              Shame on EN. Why did they make such a desirable offer. Damn marketers!

              True indeed that it is already a business in a box. The reality is is that the bigger
              it grows with new affiliates the more scam, pyramid etc talk will progress.
              As with almost anything that becomes successful and powerful.

              It is what it is love it or hate it.

              EN is a company who sells marketing products with a wildly popular
              comp plan.

              Interpret it as you wish.

              All the best.
              ok you "owned" me! :-)
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          • Profile picture of the author ajaxmike
            Originally Posted by MaxTheMarketer View Post


            when people [go] to schools they KNOW what they are getting for their money; education.

            The majority of people seeking to (or finding) EN is looking for "fast cash", NOT education or a blog where they know you won't know exactly what to do, so they have upselling where you will have to spend about $1000 BEFORE you can actually get enough "education" to start making money.

            And here's the other catch: most people finding EN are already POOR and want to make money so they can get by in life, so they are really in trouble when they find it.

            And as said once before; most people joining EN do NOT have that amount of cash to get the system rolling. Also, what makes everything more tragic in my point of view is that they are then trying to get more poor people to the very same thing; throwing their money at something that does not really exist.

            It is a negative, unethical and bad spiral, MLM in a sense, and NO ONE should get involved.
            There is one thing common about all MLMs (I have been in several): they are all full of broke people. The only people with money are the ones at the top and a room full of broke people look at them and "Wow, I could be that guy." There is always a story about a broke guy getting rich. What you find out once you get involved is that it takes cash to make cash as you say. The other reality is that the failure rate is huge.

            So in the end, EM is just like all the rest, but with a really good sales pitch. They prey on broke people who are desperate by selling a dream that can only be realized with cash and work. These folks don't have cash and most people won't do the work either. So look in the mirror and ask, do I want to be part of that?

            I agree with what clubapple said above though. One side benefit of all this is that you will likely gain some personal skills and confidence. Most MLMs have this sort of training. I developed a lot just hanging out with folks like that and reading/watching the materials.

            There are indeed some testimonials here that the education is first class by people who claim to have become members. I will take their word for it. But it wouldn't sell so well if the pitch was buy a $1K educational product, invest some additional cash in marketing, and you will make some money using the methods taught in the course. No dream there, just capital and work, but that's truthful.

            There are several posters who criticize the value of the educational material, despite not having used it themselves -- that's not ethical. Of the posters who have purchased and used the program, some said it was not worth the cost, most have said it was excellent. Perhaps the positive ones are just lying for sales, perhaps not. You have to decide for yourself.

            BTW, a poster above said he has been purchasing online for 30 years. Well, I have been in the IT business for longer than that and I can tell you there was no e-commerce in 1983. The "internet" at that time was only text-based bulletin board systems used by academics, techies, and the military. Even though the underlying technology was there, it wasn't called the internet, it was called usenet.
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  • Profile picture of the author samrand
    Vick strizheus from High Traffic Academy who also has a thread in this section joined EN
    on Dec 21, 2012 (last month). He brought in 600 people and as of Jan 9th made $559,000.

    Michaelangelo Lopez creator of University of Internet Science who joined in September of
    last year is also number 3 on their leader board.

    Its funny I'm subscribed to Michaelangelo's list and 9 months ago he also thought EN was a
    here now gone tomorrow program and sounded like some people on this very thread. Now
    he loves EN and its products and the movement.

    This is why most people think EN will fail is because they think its just another mlm. They
    actually sale marketing education and a blog with 100% commissions. You can't sell
    what you don't own unlike all of you clown affiliate marketers who swear your products
    are of value but you've never bought them. How does that make them an mlm?

    They are a direct sales company which includes an affiliate program that you can participate
    in if you want. The affiliate program has pass up sales that is built into the comp plan to
    create more leverage. That's it.

    How is that MLM?

    Also Facebook banned their url because it looked like spam. There were thousands of
    affiliates posting their blogs on Facebook so Facebook got nervous and banned the links.
    So what! Facebook is not marketer friendly we all know that.

    The reason why Empower is doing a million a week in commissions to affiliates is because
    of their products and message. The company was built for the people. The company founders
    get paid the same way everybody does and that's with their own affiliate accounts. What company owners do that besides them? What internet based company has full income disclosures published on their public page that is refreshed every 24 hours?

    I'm not in EN but I don't understand why some of you marketers on here take issue.
    They sell marketing education and a blog with all the bells and whistles for you to market
    anything you want on . Some people don't want to make a stupid blog lol. Some people
    don't want to build sales funnels (or know how to, that convert). Some people are interested
    in buying marketing education from the likes of David Wood who is a successful marketer
    truly. Not a successful WSO creator where all your traffic is already provided for you.

    This is long winded but if someone can tell me why its unethical to create marketing info
    products and then open up an affiliate program for folks to receive 100% from them, please
    explain that to me in another post.

    Oh yeah anybody else heard of someone making half a million being an affiliate with a company
    in 20 days. That is unheard of and this wasn't even a launch. EN been around since fall of
    2011. Honestly these days product creators can't even do low 6 figures during their own
    launches much less their affiliates who get 60% if their lucky. Only a handful can
    still do million dollar launches these days because people are more hip to the gimmicks and
    bs.

    Now to wrap this up if people with huge lists like Michaelangelo and Vick gave their lists the green light on EN, that's something to pay attention to. I can see why they sat on the sidelines
    waiting to see if EN would get past their growing pains. People with lists over 200,000+
    have to be careful with influence they have and what they recommend I assume.

    You'll probably see more big shots joining now after what Vick earned and the company
    I PREDICT will grow at record pace. I mean what other company is getting launch money
    every week 16 months after they launched? Possibly because of the pay plan and products
    eh?


    PS. I'm sure all of you "marketers" on this thread are selling a digital product of extremely high
    value right? Some of you are 300 pounds selling weight loss lol!
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  • Profile picture of the author Shanks1
    @Samrand Couldn't have said it any better myself...
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  • Profile picture of the author dedy
    Thanks GOD I'm not join in EN... thanks GOD I read this thread!
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    • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
      Originally Posted by dedy View Post

      Thanks GOD I'm not join in EN... thanks GOD I read this thread!
      It's suited for those who are already successful, hence I have decided to stop promoting it and am instead starting to promote something else where everyone can win and doesn't require a learning curve to get into profit.
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      • Profile picture of the author ejm
        Google indexed approx 4.3 million pages of empowernetwork.com and just started in late 2011

        Google indexed approx 5.3 million pages of ezinearticles.com and started in late 1999

        Squidoo has approx 580K

        Hubpages has 3.4 million

        At this rate I would not be surprised if Empower Network rises above all except maybe Facebook but who knows.
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  • Profile picture of the author samrand
    @davidbatchelor hey look man its cool to not like a company or its products
    but you just got caught with your pants down lying about this company. For everybody
    reading this thread read his comments closely that I quoted in the post above and cross reference that with empowernetwork.com where they have documented video proof in their last few blog posts to completely falsify his statement.

    Jan 9th post : No name success story (19 year old)
    Dec 21st post: Habitat for Humanity charity video
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  • Profile picture of the author brijt15
    I am in Empower Network, and like everything else in life you have to put forth the effort.

    Empower Network allows you to strip away the ego, the fear of failure, the negative voices... Look in the mirror and decide what YOU want and then GO FOR IT.

    No matter what you decide, have no regrets and make it count.
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  • Profile picture of the author brijt15
    I am in Empower Network, and like everything else in life you have to put forth the effort.

    Empower Network allows you to strip away the ego, the fear of failure, the negative voices... Look in the mirror and decide what YOU want and then GO FOR IT.

    No matter what you decide, have no regrets and make it count.
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    “You will get all you want in life if you just help enough other people get what they want.” Zig Ziglar.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon2011
    Hey, we started with EN at the end of September, went to the event in San Diego in October, came home and have made $35,304 in profit (not including profit generated that was passed up to our enroller). Not bad for 3 months over the holidays.

    We're using about 80% solo ads for traffic to a page: Opportunity Knocks. The EN pages work great too...especially the weird marketing tricks one.

    For the people who think "only the ones at the top win", here's my opinion on that.

    I got started in NM in 2002. I was a high school Biology teacher with no business training or marketing skills. I started my business putting flyers on cars. I walked parking lots round the clock putting 5,000 flyers out a week.

    My first year I made $400K.

    It's not the "folks at the top" who make money, it's the folks who are willing TO WORK TO GET TO THE TOP.

    When people meet me they are floored that I've made over $6 million since I started in home business, took two years off during my pregnancy and with my daughter, travelled the world and hang with my hubby everyday from where ever we feel like living this year. I'm pretty unassumming, not the best spoken, don't know any crafty sales lingo or tricks, but you can bet your ass I'll work 100X harder than most people to get results. That's why I've ended up at the top of everything I've done.

    Empower Network is not my primary business (it's my husband). I work with traditional MLM. Both are great. You can pretty much make money at almost anything, including affiliate marketing, if you're willing to work for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael_Le
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    @samrand for someone who claims they're not part of EM and no clue of what a MLM is, you sure am real vocal about sticking up for them.......
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    • Profile picture of the author samrand
      Originally Posted by Michael_Le