Mike Filsaime Lots of Character Very Classy Guy

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I received my ButterflyMarketing 2.0 kit today and I have to say it is very high quality stuff, I have not had a chance to jump in with both feet but it looks like it's going to awesome.

The news letter which I am holding in my formerly nicotine-stained fingers is a very good read lots of good information so far.

And yes Mike I believe that this information can help me!
#character #classy #filsaime #guy #lots #mike
  • Profile picture of the author E-Newbies
    Now you have your nearly free product - dont forget to cancel your membership if you can!
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    • Profile picture of the author stayfocused
      I haven't seen Mikes newsletter or even seen the price attached to it. I love how everyone is so quick to say cancel the newsletter. It could be a very valuable subscription to keep.

      If it is worth the price he is charging then there is no reason to cancel.

      Nearly free product? Why does everyone get all hot and bothered when a marketer gives something away for "free" but requires you to pay shipping and handling?

      Now I know that the price of shipping and handling is inflated to cover his fulfillment and shipping costs but so what.

      Do you really expect people to give stuff away on a mass scale and take a loss while doing it?

      IF the newsletter is worth it then keep getting it. If it isn't then cancel. I doubt Mike would make it impossible to cancel the thing. I doubt his reputation is worth that. It may be but for some reason I doubt it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by stayfocused View Post

        Nearly free product? Why does everyone get all hot and bothered when a marketer gives something away for "free" but requires you to pay shipping and handling?

        Now I know that the price of shipping and handling is inflated to cover his fulfillment and shipping costs but so what.
        It bothers people because it's a lie. If you're ok with being lied to, hey, no skin off my nose.

        Do you really expect people to give stuff away on a mass scale and take a loss while doing it?
        I don't expect people to do anything other than what they tell me they are going to do. If they tell me they are giving me something for free, I don't expect to foot the bill for it. If you tell me you're giving me a free product, then charge $20 for shipping that costs $4.95 so you can have me cover your product costs, you are a liar, and a fraud. That is NOT a free product. I haven't given you a free car if I require you to cover the $25,000 it cost me to acquire it, have I?

        The point of the "free" product is for the marketer to foot the bill. No one is forcing marketers to run this type of promotion. Don't say you're giving someone something for free when you aren't.

        These days, anytime I receive something that has obviously engaged in blatant deception/shipping inflation, that something gets returned for a refund.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
          Originally Posted by blackhatcat View Post

          It bothers people because it's a lie. If you're ok with being lied to, hey, no skin off my nose.
          Just love these kind of clueless statements.

          Sorry, but that's what it is.

          Here, directly from the sales page:

          The Entire Butterfly Marketing Home Study Course with Software is being given away for free to 5000 people that pay the s&h of $29.95 US and Canada (+$10 all other countries.)

          So tell me - where is the lie?
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          • Profile picture of the author bluet
            Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

            Just love these kind of clueless statements.

            Sorry, but that's what it is.

            Here, directly from the sales page:

            The Entire Butterfly Marketing Home Study Course with Software is being given away for free to 5000 people that pay the s&h of $29.95 US and Canada (+$10 all other countries.)

            So tell me - where is the lie?
            LOL The lie is it was given to 14000, not 5000, and 1000 more to come.

            I think I read in one of his emails, it cost him about $170,000 to get 10,000 more packages made.

            14,000, whew! There are a lot of friggin' butterflies out there now.
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          • Profile picture of the author jwyrick
            Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

            Just love these kind of clueless statements.

            Sorry, but that's what it is.

            Here, directly from the sales page:

            The Entire Butterfly Marketing Home Study Course with Software is being given away for free to 5000 people that pay the s&h of $29.95 US and Canada (+$10 all other countries.)

            So tell me - where is the lie?
            Hi Mike. Over the years I've respected you a great deal as a marketer, Mike Filsaime as well for that matter. However, this product was put out there for $2,000 and when he ran his 7 Figure Secrets promo he sold this as an OTO telling people he wasn't even sure if he would sell the product at the time. True to his word he didn't SELL the product, but what he did was GIVE IT AWAY and I agree that the homepage states that.

            However, this is a product as a whole that others have paid $2,000 for and then as an OTO the 7 Figure Secrets clients paid something like $500 - $700 (not sure on the exact amount as it's been a while). Now he's giving it a way for free ? ? ?

            In fairness, I can see where a LOT of his past customers feel lied to and misled. I know he's a good marketer, but he's giving away things they paid hard earned money for and worse than that many of them complain there's little to no support.

            Many of us have been to the events. We've seen both of you speak. We know you're both very good marketers that know this business inside and out. What we don't see is the behind the scenes stuff. If you guys are good friends, maybe you could talk to the guy and see about getting a more stable update and better support. With the money being made from the continuity alone I'm sure that a couple of extra support guys would not break his budget by any means.

            Again, I know he's a GOOD MARKETER and a very smart man, but most of the complaints that are being voiced here are very valid. Maybe the guy you're quoting didn't read that and he wasn't blatantly lied to, but if you read the rest of the posts I'm sure you can see and understand why the majority of these people feel deceived.

            Jeffrey S. Wyrick
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    • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
      Originally Posted by E-Newbies View Post

      Now you have your nearly free product - dont forget to cancel your membership if you can!
      Dude, change your mindset!

      What goes along, comes along.

      if you are gonna be in the internet business, then hopefully you would want people to stay on your membersips as long as possible.

      Now regarding Mike, I have not seen the product- I am guessing its a good one, but at this stage of MY career I do not feel like he can provide a whole lot of IM content for me... So I might decide to unsubscribe. But even if I pick up one tactic or strategy or one more butterfly as mike would call it from this newsletter... It would mean a few hundred of a few thousand dollars to me- Extra Money -Every month and that will provide a big enough reason for me to stay subscribed.

      But if you are still new to this business or if you do not already have a full time income producing cash machine up and running, I am gonna bet the content in the newsletter will have lots of new things for you. Especially since Mike says it has been redesigned and re-structured. Previous one was a disappointment for me though. I expect more from Mike.

      @OP: I agree with you regarding the fact that Mike's got character and is a classy guy. One thing I love about him over all the other top IM'ers... he is always doing something new which is a trait not many in this business possess. He is a massive action taker and this makes him all the more believable.

      -Lakshay



      P.S. I really hope I get it this week. That script can mean GOLD to me if I get that 1 click upsell technology with my Payment Processor especially since I am about to launch something pretty new this Thursday.

      So I know for a fact that if I can get my hands on the script by Tuesday, I will absolutely kill it. But lets wait and watch... I am not complaining. Mike has been good enough to give it to me for free... Right? Doesn't really make sense to be upset over it... I was not getting it anyway had it not been for the free promotion he's done. I know, I know. I talked myself into believing it might just take longer than I would like it to. So I guess I will have to rely on Paypal and good ole Slow upsell technology (If you can call it that!!) for orders.

      P.P.S. One thing I really like about BM is that it integrates perfectly with Aweber (I guess, I hope and I expect it to) which means the world to me since Paypal will not allow me to have a Squeeze page after the payment unless that was said on the S/L and chances are that people are going to be pissed off by it too!

      Now with BM, I believe buyers will automatically be added to a new list on Aweber which is pretty darned cool and freakin amazing.

      Do you realize that value of that? For me... traffic is what I pay for. Because I rarely rely on affiliates outside the IM niche products for traffic and hance I am paying for the traffic. Each and every customer I acquire... Well sometimes I do have to go negative on that customer acquisition because I make more money over time from them through multiple mid ticket items. Now if some of those customers are not going to opt-in, it means that my backend will be seen by lesser number of people and I certainly believe that some of the people who do not opt-in after the purchase might have ended up seeing the value in that backend and bought it.

      So you see BM can be change-all for me.

      This is a feature that is not available in any of the other cheap scripts on the market. they do the job considerably well, and they might get updated quickly, but I don't like waiting for updates. To be honest I would rather pay $1997 for something that I can get and use right away just as I want to than paying $300 for something that works SIMILARLY. Huge difference.

      With all this rambling on, I am really proving to myself and you that BM is worth investing in. At least the shipping charge. For everyone. Rookies, Pro's, and Middo's alike. Even if you never read any of the books that come along, you will still love the script.

      Might be hard to install, but who's scared of troubles anyway?

      Genius is 99% perspiration... As they say!

      Besides I get this feeling that the forum is going to be abuzz with people that are going to be installing the script and helping each other out with it.

      -Lakshay

      P.S. I saw some people comparing scripts somewhere... this post is my answer to them too.
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  • Profile picture of the author anth.elias
    Wow..I just watch the installation video of the script..pretty straight forward if you have experience creating MySQL databases. There are also lots of others videos to watch so I think I will watch a few of those before I dive in with the installation.
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  • Profile picture of the author stevenh512
    This isn't exactly a "product" review as much as it's a "guru" review.. lol.. but I'll add my 2 cents here.

    I'm still waiting for my BFM 2.0 package, considering how many people already got theirs I imagine it should be getting here soon. I've seen the newsletter already (got it with The 7 Figure Secrets and Get My Software Free), cancelled my subscription both times not because I don't think it's filled with great information, but because I can't really justify spending $40+ a month on a newsletter right now. I personally thought the newsletter was great and I'll be more than happy to resubscribe once I have a little more money coming in. BTW cancelling the newsletter couldn't have been easier.

    About the only "negative" issue I've ever had with Mike or any of his products is the fact that his helpdesk can sometimes be unebearably slow to respond.. lol.. but maybe I'm just spoiled by the "less than 24 hour" turnaround I've always managed to get from Sam Stephens every time I've had even the slightest support questions about DLGuard.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayStarr
    still waiting for mine but I am in australia so a little lionger is to be expected..

    and btw if you do not know.. he will still make about $3 - $7 profit on each "free" giveaway of this product.

    I have spoken to a logisitics & fillfullment company and they will produce, pack, archive, and deliver a similar type of product anywhere in the Nth America's for $13.. including printing of manuals, DVD production..

    so do the math.. 15,000 units X $5 = $75 K .. not bad considering he will make even more on the backend.

    I got his newsletter befor from the 7 figure Secrets and it was poor quality, info was ok but no where near its subscription cost.

    My secret when buying these types on continuity products is to use a VCC.. if I dont want to contimue I just dont refund my VCC.. gets cancelled pretty fast let me tell you.. somehow i just dont trust some of these I'm guys to make cancellation as painfree and easy as they say.

    PS: still cant wait for my BFM pack to arrive though.. just kinda bummed about the install as it sounds complicated.
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  • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
    I'm very hesitant to even install the script since it appears to be an abandoned product that he's giving away in a fire sale. I've read several places that it was buggy. And, it appears to be 2-3 years old. (The training video site says something like, "NEW January 2007 Update".) What happens 2 years down the line?

    You have to pay $300 for support. Which is understandable since it is a so-called "free" script. But, if it worked as promised, should it cost that much to support it? (Something yes, but $300?).

    Plus, my confidence isn't so high since his launch was a technical disaster.

    Seems like I'd be opening a big can of headaches down the line.

    I'm not knocking the guy. I'm just explaining why I don't have the confidence to install his script and use it for my business. But, I'm open to the possibility of being wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author stevenh512
      Originally Posted by PeteNY View Post

      I'm very hesitant to even install the script since it appears to be an abandoned product that he's giving away in a fire sale. I've read several places that it was buggy. And, it appears to be 2-3 years old. (The training video site says something like, "NEW January 2007 Update".) What happens 2 years down the line?


      Have you gone to the private BFM forum at all? If you have, I'm sure you'll find that while the script is roughly 3 years old, it's constantly being updated. The version you'll be getting if you ordered it is the latest update and had never been released before the BFM 2.0 launch (as I understand it, current BFM 1.0 owners can now download it from their members area). The "Butterfly Marketing 2.0" that you might have heard was really buggy was something he released only to a select few customers of "Traffic Fusion" and I've heard nothing but bad things about that one, but that was version 2.04 and the current version (as far as I know) is 2.08.

      You have to pay $300 for support. Which is understandable since it is a so-called "free" script. But, if it worked as promised, should it cost that much to support it? (Something yes, but $300?).
      If you go to the private forum, there are people there who have years of experience with this script and many of them are happy to help you. I seriously doubt many people are going to be stuck paying $300 for support when they can find plenty of "third-party" support either free or for a lot less money.

      Plus, my confidence isn't so high since his launch was a technical disaster.
      If you're going to judge the quality of the script based on something that was obviously a hosting issue, by all means don't bother installing or using it. I just hope you didn't buy it only to come to that conclusion, far too many people in the IM niche have a bad habit of buying things they have no intention of ever using.
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      • Profile picture of the author mick535
        I have owned this script for awhile and been to the forum hundreds of times. I like the use of the script, don't get me wrong. But I still have constant headaches with it.

        Mike Filsaime's customer support sucks. It all comes from the Forum. I believe I have only ever been helped by Caitlin there. If thousands of new people have this script now, Mike better have hired a few more people.

        I purchased his Hyper-plugin and the support at that Forum is non-existant. In fact, every time I had a problem with it, i had to go to the BFM Forum for help.

        In all honesty, if I hadn't gotten the BFM script for almost free, I wouldn't use it at all. Simple Member Pro and other Membership scripts sell for $97, have great Customer Service, and don't have any of the bugs this software has. Plus, for a newbie, the BFM script is very complicated. even with the Videos at Butterflymarketingvideos.com. Mike Filsaime hasn't updated his training videos since 2007. He doesn't care, he is making tons of money from rehashed crap.

        Take a look at all the bonuses he gave away with this product. There is not a product in that package that isn't at least 2 years old or older. Some of it is good stuff, but the internet is constantly evolving. Old techniques don't work anymore. Why else would he give it all away?

        This giveaway is almost the same as the one I lucked into in 2007. In fact, every product is the same. That should tell you something.

        If you cancel the Newsletter and get it all for Free and you learn something from the material. Good. Otherwise don't expect too much.
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        • Profile picture of the author stevenh512
          Originally Posted by mick535 View Post

          Mike Filsaime's customer support sucks. It all comes from the Forum. I believe I have only ever been helped by Caitlin there. If thousands of new people have this script now, Mike better have hired a few more people.
          Like I said before, that's really the only negative thing I can say about Mike Filsaime.. lol.. a lot of the time getting support from him or his helpdesk staff can feel like running your head into a brick wall a couple thousand times. That said, I still think most of his products and services are pretty solid, the customer support is just lacking.

          I've been visiting his forum several times daily since I bought BFM 2.0 and I notice Catalin does handle most of the support there, but I try to help out wherever I can and I've noticed a few other people doing the same.

          I purchased his Hyper-plugin and the support at that Forum is non-existant. In fact, every time I had a problem with it, i had to go to the BFM Forum for help.
          I've looked at the Hyper Plugin and some of the threads on that forum. I'll give you these two things. The forum is dead, and unless you're a "techie" (or have a decent programmer to help you) you're probably going to have problems with the plugin. Honestly I think this one does come down to bad planning on the part of Mike and Cata, but it was only intended to be released to a limited number of people so I'm sure they didn't expect too many customer support issues there beyond fixing bugs and keeping it updated so it installs into the latest version of BFM.

          Mike Filsaime hasn't updated his training videos since 2007.
          What needs to be updated? As far as I know the script installs the same as it did in 2007. There are a few new features, obviously, but I don't see too many people in his forum having trouble figuring those out on their own.. lol

          If he has to update his training videos every time there's an update to the script, I wouldn't expect many updates to the script. The videos might be 2 years old but they still walk you through the install with only a few minor hiccups (like the chmod 777 thing.. a lot of hosts don't like that, and really it's not the most secure way to do things.. these days a lot of hosts use phpsuexec so it isn't really necessary most of the time).

          Take a look at all the bonuses he gave away with this product. There is not a product in that package that isn't at least 2 years old or older.
          Ok now I'm just arguing for the sake of argument (not offense intended here, just having a little fun.. lol), but they're not all 2 years old. Sure, most of them are, but I know Viral Friend Generator is newer than that. Power Link Generator is pretty old, but I know it's been updated in the past year too. Personally I think Power Link Generator alone was worth a lot more than I paid for the whole BFM 2.0 package with all the bonuses, I got it as a bonus for one of his other products a couple years ago (can't for the life of me remember which one lol) and I use it all the time. The upgraded PayDotCom account is nice too if you want to sell anything using an affiliate program without relying on the BFM script, Clickbank or one of the more expensive "self-hosted" affiliate scripts.. and considering the price of the upgrade, that almost covers my entire investment in the BFM 2.0 package.

          If you cancel the Newsletter and get it all for Free and you learn something from the material. Good. Otherwise don't expect too much.
          Honestly, I liked the newsletter, I only cancelled it because I can't justify spending $40+ a month on it right now. I have every intention of renewing my subscription once I have more money coming in. I've taken a look at some of the back issues (available as PDFs for current subscribers) and I have to say it's constantly improving. If you got it a few months ago you might want to take a look at it again.

          I've also read the Butterfly Marketing Manuscript and listened to the audios (ordered through Get My Software Free and was given access to pretty much the whole "digital version" except for the actual script download). Those alone are worth many times what I paid for BFM 2.0, but I still can't wait to get the actual script and "get my hands dirty" so to speak.. lol.. I fully expect, like with any evolving piece of software, that there will be bugs. I also have a pretty good understanding of PHP, MySQL and most web hosting environments though, so I don't expect to need too much in the way of technical support.
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        • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
          Thanks Steven and Mick, I appreciate both your points of view.

          I'm with Mick, I'd rather pay for a solution that someone is supporting and updating. I don't want to build my business on the kind charity of people in a forum supplying me tech support.
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      • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
        Originally Posted by stevenh512 View Post

        If you're going to judge the quality of the script based on something that was obviously a hosting issue, by all means don't bother installing or using it. I just hope you didn't buy it only to come to that conclusion, far too many people in the IM niche have a bad habit of buying things they have no intention of ever using.
        I didn't buy it only to come to that conclusion... It was free, remember? :-)

        Sort of like going to the airport and watching all the planes crash. Then have the Flight Attendant board you on your plane saying, "Oh that was an issue with the weather. We're OK now." Um, no thanks I won't be flying today.

        It just doesn't encourage confidence in his product when his whole team of super smart guys couldn't plan and handle the launch better. Not saying that I can't forgive, just not feeling comfortable enough to hang my business on his script.

        And yes, I've purchased a ton of stuff I'll probably never use. But, I'm open to any method out there. I have to check it out before I can conclude if it's for me or not. So far, I've really settled into focusing one person's plan, and that's Jonny Andrew's Guru Assassin. It clicks with me and what I hope to accomplish.

        Thanks for your thoughts on this.
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        • Profile picture of the author MontelloMarketing
          Filsaime's a class act for sure.

          Self-serving business? Abso-freaking-lutely! Anything short of that is called charity.

          With Mike you usually get at least what you pay for. It seems with this offer you get much more than that.

          If you're going to learn... learn from the best and Mike's on my short list of marketers to trust.

          And... this is not a "buddy buddy testimonial." I've never done business with Mike or his company and have only met him twice at events.
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          • Profile picture of the author Nomics
            Mike was very upfront that this "free" deal was nothing more than a way to get people to join his continuity program. I appreciate that, and had no problem with it. I received my package the other day, and it was completely worth the $30 shipping to get it. Love the 2 manuscripts, audios, and dvd seminar. I bought Infomillionaire when that came out (same marketing structure) and was HUGELY disappointed by the quality. Butterfly was definitely worth it.
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          • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
            Originally Posted by MontelloMarketing View Post


            With Mike you usually get at least what you pay for. It seems with this offer you get much more than that.

            If you're going to learn... learn from the best and Mike's on my short list of marketers to trust.

            And... this is not a "buddy buddy testimonial." I've never done business with Mike or his company and have only met him twice at events.
            If you have never done business with him then how can you have any idea that what you are saying is true? In fact if you have never done business but only met him a couple times, then it appears you are giving exactly what you claim not to be... to use your words, "a buddy buddy testimonial".
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            • Profile picture of the author MontelloMarketing
              Originally Posted by DonDavis View Post

              If you have never done business with him then how can you have any idea that what you are saying is true? In fact if you have never done business but only met him a couple times, then it appears you are giving exactly what you claim not to be... to use your words, "a buddy buddy testimonial".
              lol... Nice try! I say what I say because I have many associates who do business with him. Partners... affiliates... customers and friends of his. And I have been a customer of his.

              So where exactly is the part where I don't have any idea what I'm saying? If it's the "never done business with him" part... come on... I obviously meant I've never worked for... or with him. I was merely pointing out that I didn't have a dog in the race. My opinion was an unbiased one.

              (Jeez... has this forum really gotten like this?)
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              • Profile picture of the author shorwood
                Originally Posted by MontelloMarketing View Post

                (Jeez... has this forum really gotten like this?)
                Yes, sadly it has. I came here about 6 months ago because people said it was a great forum with a lot of experienced marketers & a great place to learn about IM.

                Unfortunately, from what I have seen there is a lot of good info here, and a lot of great people, but there are also a lot of people here who just come to bash other people and call everyone liars and scammers. I have seen many people whose first post is just bashing a guru without anything to back up their claims about how terrible they are.

                Then there are the people that make 30 posts (usually 2 or 3 words, or else just long rants about something they know nothing about) and then post a WSO and never post again.

                It's sad, as there are a lot of great people on this forum, but I have stopped visiting here as much because of all the garbage there seems to be from people who just want to be loud spoken about something.

                However, I have found some great stuff on this forum, and I have gotten some great deals from the WSOs, so I am willing to take the bad with the good.

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              • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
                Well, I've done business with Mike and know him decently well, and can tell you a thing or two about him...

                He really busts his ass to take care of customers and affiliates, his employees, his partners and the list goes on and on. The guy has a gigantic heart and will bend over backwards for people.

                Sure, there's always opportunity for some customer to dish out negatives - especially when thousands of customers purchase... and if you've ever sold anything in this business at all, then you'd know what I'm talking about.

                The fact is, most never sell anything... and have no customers, so they get offended when a marketer, markets to them (sells towards them). And, usually the ones who speak the loudest in a forum - taking shots, are usually the ones who are jaded from their own shortcomings.

                I run into people all the time who have worked with Mike and they all say the exact same things... which is what Vin is saying, and me too. So, the best thing you could do is watch, listen and learn from someone who ACTUALLY does multiple millions per year in the exact business you are passionate about, instead of taking shots because you're a screen name on a forum.

                Personally, I hate this section of the forum, not because of real reviews, but because it's an open opportunity for some jackass forum fake name poster to take shots and say things they have no idea what they are talking about... and just taking an opportunity to throw rocks at the product creator/marketer.

                It bothers me because if people would just "sell stuff" themselves, and make money themselves, deal with customers themselves, etc etc.. then they'd realize that with each new launch comes your plethora of jackasses who feel compelled to complain about things, find any faults they can find, and attempt to damage someones reputation - because it makes them feel good about their own shortcomings.

                Or, it makes them feel BIG amongst the other forum fake namers.

                Whatever....

                Mike rocks and it's too bad you miss out on that.

                Eric
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                • Profile picture of the author shorwood
                  Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

                  Well, I've done business with Mike and know him decently well, and can tell you a thing or two about him...

                  He really busts his ass to take care of customers and affiliates, his employees, his partners and the list goes on and on. The guy has a gigantic heart and will bend over backwards for people.

                  Sure, there's always opportunity for some customer to dish out negatives - especially when thousands of customers purchase... and if you've ever sold anything in this business at all, then you'd know what I'm talking about.

                  The fact is, most never sell anything... and have no customers, so they get offended when a marketer, markets to them (sells towards them). And, usually the ones who speak the loudest in a forum - taking shots, are usually the ones who are jaded from their own shortcomings.

                  I run into people all the time who have worked with Mike and they all say the exact same things... which is what Vin is saying, and me too. So, the best thing you could do is watch, listen and learn from someone who ACTUALLY does multiple millions per year in the exact business you are passionate about, instead of taking shots because you're a screen name on a forum.

                  Personally, I hate this section of the forum, not because of real reviews, but because it's an open opportunity for some jackass forum fake name poster to take shots and say things they have no idea what they are talking about... and just taking an opportunity to throw rocks at the product creator/marketer.

                  It bothers me because if people would just "sell stuff" themselves, and make money themselves, deal with customers themselves, etc etc.. then they'd realize that with each new launch comes your plethora of jackasses who feel compelled to complain about things, find any faults they can find, and attempt to damage someones reputation - because it makes them feel good about their own shortcomings.

                  Or, it makes them feel BIG amongst the other forum fake namers.

                  Whatever....

                  Mike rocks and it's too bad you miss out on that.

                  Eric
                  Well said Eric. I cannot speak for Mike Filsaime, as this BM 2.0 is the first time I have purchased anything from him. I realize it had some problems, but he was very upfront about them and he did his best to get everything worked out. I can't wait for BM 2.0 to arrive. I also have had the experience that everyone I know that has worked with Mike has only had good things to say about him.

                  I agree that this section of the forum has become a place for people to make fun of others to make up for their insecurities. I have noticed that almost always the people complaining are the ones without any products of their own, and they are not making much money (if any) online, and they need to take it out on everyone else. They also have really weird screen names and don't have photos.

                  Now I'm not saying that everyone without a photo and a real name is just here to complain and find fault in everyone else, but it is very common.

                  I hate seeing the comments with people complaining about other marketers marketing to them. I like it when people market great quality courses/content to me. If no one had marketed to me 6 months ago, I still wouldn't know what internet marketing was and I wouldn't have the money to pay for my house and university. I also wouldn't have a constantly growing business, that hopefully one day will allow me time to relax and spend with my family instead of working 8+ hours/day.

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                  • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
                    Originally Posted by shorwood View Post

                    Well said Eric. I cannot speak for Mike Filsaime, as this BM 2.0 is the first time I have purchased anything from him. I realize it had some problems, but he was very upfront about them and he did his best to get everything worked out. I can't wait for BM 2.0 to arrive. I also have had the experience that everyone I know that has worked with Mike has only had good things to say about him.
                    Shawn
                    Shawn, you seem like a good honest guy. Coincidentally, last night I printed out your entire thread on getting affiliates to promote your clickbank product. I am also about to launch a clickbank product. Hope yours is going well!

                    If I PM you in several weeks, will you let me know your honest experience with using the Butterfly Marketing script with your product? Do you have much technical skill with PHP, MySql, scripts etc?

                    I'm not trying to prove a point, I just really would like to know if it's worth using the script.

                    Thanks
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                    • Profile picture of the author shorwood
                      Originally Posted by PeteNY View Post

                      Shawn, you seem like a good honest guy. Coincidentally, last night I printed out your entire thread on getting affiliates to promote your clickbank product. I am also about to launch a clickbank product. Hope yours is going well!

                      If I PM you in several weeks, will you let me know your honest experience with using the Butterfly Marketing script with your product? Do you have much technical skill with PHP, MySql, scripts etc?

                      I'm not trying to prove a point, I just really would like to know if it's worth using the script.

                      Thanks
                      Definitely. I will for sure tell you my honest experience with Butterfly marketing. I have some technical skill with PHP & MySQL, but I am definitely not an expert.

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                    • Profile picture of the author stevenh512
                      Originally Posted by PeteNY View Post

                      I'm not trying to prove a point, I just really would like to know if it's worth using the script.
                      I think most people who have actually used the script (whether they had trouble with it in the beginning or not) would probably tell you it's worth it.. lol

                      For the record, I do have quite a bit of technical experience with PHP and MYSQL, and with installing scripts on a number of different free and paid web hosts, so my experience with the script might not relate to that of the "average" marketer.. but it took me less than 30 minutes (on dialup, this includes upload time) to install my first BFM 2.08 site with the latest Hyper Plugin and get everything working. I was a little disappointed to see that my idea is probably going to require a little bit of custom programming, but nothing that I can't handle on my own, I'm well on my way to launching my first site and I just got the script yesterday.
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                • Profile picture of the author stevenh512
                  Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

                  He really busts his ass to take care of customers and affiliates, his employees, his partners and the list goes on and on. The guy has a gigantic heart and will bend over backwards for people.
                  I'm sure he does. I don't really know him very well (just know him by his products and services, and an email exchange with him a couple years ago) but to me he always seemed like the kind of guy who really tries to do right by his customers and affiliates. But I think anyone who's ever tried to use his helpdesk would agree that it's painfully slow.. perhaps he should invest in a few more people to staff the helpdesk and speed up the turnaround there just a little bit.. lol. Other than that one thing, I've never had a problem with Mike, and I've never had a problem with any of his products or services that wasn't (eventually) solved even if it does sometimes take forever.

                  I run into people all the time who have worked with Mike and they all say the exact same things... which is what Vin is saying, and me too. So, the best thing you could do is watch, listen and learn from someone who ACTUALLY does multiple millions per year in the exact business you are passionate about, instead of taking shots because you're a screen name on a forum.
                  Good advice, and that's exactly what I plan to do. I'm already making a little money online, enough to get by, but I could always stand to learn a thing or two from someone who's earning a lot more in a month than I earn all year.. lol. That's why when I ordered BFM 2.0 I made sure to read the manuscript cover to cover and listen to all the audios before I even thought about downloading the script. I've also never known anyone who ever worked with Mike to say anything bad about him, that has to count for something.. and like I've already said, as a customer the only really major complaint I've ever had is the helpdesk.
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        • Profile picture of the author stevenh512
          Originally Posted by PeteNY View Post

          I didn't buy it only to come to that conclusion... It was free, remember? :-)
          It wasn't "exactly" free, if you ordered it you did have to pay something even if it was just the (roughly) $30 for shipping. Personally I would consider that a purchase or an investment (whichever way you want to look at it) whether it was advertised as "free" or not. Since I do plan to use the script, and I've gotten a lot of good information from the manuscript and audios that came with it (not to mention the bonuses) in my case I think the $30 was a pretty good investment.

          It just doesn't encourage confidence in his product when his whole team of super smart guys couldn't plan and handle the launch better. Not saying that I can't forgive, just not feeling comfortable enough to hang my business on his script.
          I don't know if that's really fair. I've had plenty of hosting issues that are completely out of my control. Even if you have a dedicated server, sometimes things go wrong. That's not Mike's fault and it's not the script's fault. Unless Mike was sitting in the data center with his finger on the reset button the whole time, there wasn't much he could do about that situation (and considering I saw him live on ustream during the launch, I know he wasn't sitting in the data center).. lol

          To put it in another perspective. Sam Stephens recently had a problem with his hosting, his site was down for a lot longer than the BFM site was on launch day. Does that in any way shake my confidence in his DLGuard product? Not in the slightest, his product is rock solid and probably one of the best investments I've ever made (even if I don't use it as often as I originally thought I would). His web host, on the other hand, is a different story and I hear he's already moved everything to a different host.
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          • Profile picture of the author mick535
            I will tell you what is completely in Mike Filsaime's control: Support

            If you put out a product in which you are charging $1497-$1997 for it; you provide support for it. Especially a digital product in which there really is not anything stopping you from selling thousands of copies (even though he ships DVD's, you still have to click on a link to download the software: Just another marketing gimmick to make you feel like you got more for the price.) I know he is giving it away for free now, but there are a large number of buyers who belied up and paid the full price for this same package.

            Hyperplugin and Traffic Fusion are 2 great examples of products launched by Mike Filsaime in which there is virtually no support for anymore. I got the Hyperplugin for the original $497. Quite a price to pay for a sell and forget it item.

            I am pretty sure Mike Filsaime is still in business and this latest "Giveaway" made him quite a bit of cash. He could choose to just provide support, but in this instance, you might have to pay $300 to get it. The quality of that support on the other hand is questionable. He has been made a Millionaire off of his many launches and could pay a support staff to take care of his cutomers, but the bottom line is; he can make the money and not provide support and people will still buy from him, so why do it right?

            Should you grab the marketing materials he is selling here for pennies and get the BFM 2.0 script. Hell yes. Should you expect any more than to have him ask for more of your money with endless emails and viral marketing attached to every "Free" item you just got: NO!
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          • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
            Originally Posted by stevenh512 View Post

            I don't know if that's really fair. I've had plenty of hosting issues that are completely out of my control. Even if you have a dedicated server, sometimes things go wrong. That's not Mike's fault and it's not the script's fault. Unless Mike was sitting in the data center with his finger on the reset button the whole time, there wasn't much he could do about that situation (and considering I saw him live on ustream during the launch, I know he wasn't sitting in the data center).. lol
            I'm not here to bash Mike Filsaime or his Butterfly Marketing Launch. But for me, it wasn't just the server crash. It was a handful of issues I had.

            If it was just an information product, I wouldn't say a word. I'd be grateful for the information (and I am). I just can't install the script and hope everthing will get better from here. Also, I'm not as knowledgeable about scripts, php and MySQL as you.

            You can overlook the problems. So, hopefully you'll use the script and make a ton of money. Hopefully, I'll find another solution that will work for me.
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            • Profile picture of the author stevenh512
              Originally Posted by PeteNY View Post

              I just can't install the script and hope everthing will get better from here.
              Just out of curiousity, what kind of problems are you having installing the script? Now that I've finally gotten my hands on a copy and installed it myself with no problems (on my actual web host and on a "test server" on my own computer), I might be able to help with that.
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              • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
                Originally Posted by stevenh512 View Post

                Just out of curiousity, what kind of problems are you having installing the script? Now that I've finally gotten my hands on a copy and installed it myself with no problems (on my actual web host and on a "test server" on my own computer), I might be able to help with that.
                Thanks Steven, I didn't mean to say I "can't" install the script. I meant, I "don't want to" install the script in anticipation of possible headaches down the road. I honestly appreciate your offer to help. But, it comes down to a trust issue (real or imagined).

                I may change how I feel at some point. But for now, I'm concentrating on the Guru Assassin method I was on before I got the Butterfly Marketing stuff. One step at a time.

                Thanks again!
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    • Profile picture of the author jwyrick
      Originally Posted by PeteNY View Post

      I'm very hesitant to even install the script since it appears to be an abandoned product that he's giving away in a fire sale. I've read several places that it was buggy. And, it appears to be 2-3 years old. (The training video site says something like, "NEW January 2007 Update".) What happens 2 years down the line?

      You have to pay $300 for support. Which is understandable since it is a so-called "free" script. But, if it worked as promised, should it cost that much to support it? (Something yes, but $300?).

      Plus, my confidence isn't so high since his launch was a technical disaster.

      Seems like I'd be opening a big can of headaches down the line.

      I'm not knocking the guy. I'm just explaining why I don't have the confidence to install his script and use it for my business. But, I'm open to the possibility of being wrong.
      I couldn't agree here more! As a marketer I will be the first to admit that Mike knows his stuff and that this shouldn't be a shocker that he's trying to rehash his old products and breath new life in to things with new recurring sales while increasing his list size.

      However, and I am NOT AT ALL against a continuity program by any means, but if you're going to do something like this and offer what many are calling a "buggy script" that does not come with the best support I'm not sure it's a very good idea. I can see now why he is offering this script for FREE, as I'm sure the actual marketing information in his monthly program will be worth far more than the BFM2 script itself.

      As for paying $300 for support (that many say they're not getting), I have spoken out on this a few other times in the past.....

      Why not use RAP, with FREE LIVE SUPPORT on Skype? The script is NOT buggy. There's no charge for support. And best of all you could buy the script, with membership add on, and not have to worry about nearly this many hassles. I'm working on an re-install for one of the the BFM2 customers and I can tell you that I would've been done in HALF the time with a much happier customer, yet here I am at 4:00 wondering WHY more people don't read the reviews before they buy this product.....as my customer is one of the ones who actually PAID for BFM before Mike so politely started giving it away free.

      Jeffrey S. Wyrick
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  • Profile picture of the author anth.elias
    Inflated shipping, new products, old products, buggy script, good script-for me and it was a good investment no complaints.

    Nothing in life is really free..I never expected Mike or any one else to give me something for free..why should they? Mike's BM 2.0 exceeded my expectations of what I was getting and the next time Mike decides to give something away for "free" I will purchase because for me BM 2.0 was well worth every penny, and I have never met Mike but he built and gained my trust, and that's a lesson in itself
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  • Profile picture of the author malcasid
    Mike Filsaime is an excellent Internet Marketer. He's genuine, sincere, and truly wants his customers to succeed. I have nothing bad to say about him. And you can do a Google search to corroborate what's already been said here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    The see the same old arguments from people time and time again.

    "He said it was free and I had to pay $29, so it's not free".

    Hey, Bozo's, listen up.

    If you want to get really pedantic about it, Filsaime correctly uses the term "Shipping and Handling".

    Just putting each package together costs money. Someone has to check your order, print off a label, stick it on an envelope, put your goods in the envelope, secure it up, check the weight. Fill out shipping docs, and finally put it on the pile of orders to go out. There is also the cost of the shipping materials, labels, boxes, ink and god knows what. There are also tracking costs involved and someone is monitoring all this.

    You could easily say that this was all part of the "handling" of the order.

    The guys that moan about this minimal payment are the same type of people that would moan if they won a new car and found out that they had to pay for a tank of gas!

    Get a life morons.
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  • Profile picture of the author InternetYogi
    jaystar I am in NZ and have mine already . So you should have yours.
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  • Profile picture of the author malcasid
    I just got mine today! Better start using it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc43
    As far I as I see the situation, I received my pack and all is well besides the start up software pak does not work for some reason I am missing some mozilla.exe type of file.

    It really does not matter, from what I already got and the videos for newbies and advanced it was well worth the price.

    I do not intend to even go through the migraine of the .net not worth loosing the time on this one, also the newsletter not worth it, but the offer was a great ROI period. thanks Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author DougBarger
    I purchased the butterfly marketing a few years ago and loved it.

    I paid in all, about $600.

    When I saw it was being offered for the $29.99,

    I didn't think it was bad at all--- I was grateful that I had it a few years before
    anyone else did.

    As many know, sometimes in order to be first in line, you have to pay a premium.

    I was fine with that.

    There's tons of videos that show exactly how to do what's needed and has been
    for years.

    If someone doesn't want to watch the videos or go the caterpillar forum for
    assistance like the rest of us,

    I don't see that being a reflection on Mike, but on that person who didn't follow
    the procedures set in place and provided.

    It doesn't matter how much Mike has made with his business.
    That doesn't entitle anyone else to anything.

    That whole attitude just wreaks of the type of entitlement, 'punishing achievement'
    mentality that has been purveyed long enough.

    Just my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Hi Jeff,

    What I was responding to was the statement that the product was really not free because you had to pay $29.95...

    In response to your post, well, I can see how some would be upset, but in the IM niche, this is the kind of thing we see all the time.

    Many "big name" marketers have given away products they previously sold - and for more than BFM was sold for - in the name of getting new recurring customers.

    Is it right? Wrong? Etc.?

    That is an opinion that only individuals can answer. Judging from the response to this sale, I would say MOST people loved it. And consequently, VERY FEW (if any) lodged any type of complaint.

    As for many of the complaints - well, I won't go too far in to those, but I can tell you a few things...

    One complaint is that the script is buggy. While it's not perfect by any means, in every case I have been involved in (my own sites as well as those I have helped), I have been able to get the sites to run exactly as requested/needed. And I continue to make good money from these sites (as do many other people).

    I can also tell you from experience that many of the "bugs" that are complained about are not always bugs, but are at times, lack of understanding of the script setup or server issues on the sites they are hosted on. So the number of "buggy script" complaints is skewed.

    Again - I AGREE there are bugs. But many are merely classified as bugs, but in reality may not be.

    Support - well, a couple of things here...

    First, there have been complaints of no supporting documents. While I know there have never been any WRITTEN support docs for this script, I CAN tell you that there is included, a very well done set of videos which take you step by step through the installation and setup. More so than most written docs I have seen from other scripts.

    I realize to many people if there's no PDF, there's no supporting docs. And I do know that many people don't like or want videos. But this is the chosen method for supplying the "supporting docs".

    As well, the forum is chock full of answers and people willing to help too. Every piece of software I have ever purchased has some sort of "peer to peer" support section and BFM is no different. People such as myself, Becky Dielman and Randy Fogg peruse the forum and help people regularly. As do so many other BFM users and experts.

    So in the end, I do agree things could be better. But I also feel things could be worse. It is my contention that anyone that has this script, and the right hosting environment, and of course, a bit of patience has the potential to make some good money.

    This is just my opinion, of course.

    Mike
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  • I like Mike, I don't know him personally but I like his style.

    He's a businessman, sometimes I get sick of everyone wearing T-shirts and flip flops, it's nice to see a touch of class - a touch of real professionalism once in awhile.

    Oh, and yeah - Butterfly marketing ROCKS!

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  • Profile picture of the author jwyrick
    Hi Mike,

    Thank you for a very well thought out reply and I want to mention again that I too have a great deal of respect for Mike Filsaime as a marketer. Most of what I've mentioned in my last two posts was based on some of the opinions that have been passed on to me as an internet marketer slash web designer while asking for my unbiased opinion.

    Also, as for Doug's comment, I can see your point of view as well and I can see how and why you feel the way that you do. I was merely pointing out my viewpoints as this exact SAME VERSION of this script was offered as an upsell just a few months ago to the 7 Figure Secrets customers at a significant rate. With that in mind I'm not the only one with this viewpoint, as I've heard the same from other people.

    Coming back to Mike's comment about "bugs", I agree that all scripts have strengths and weaknesses. In this case, unlike many who I've seen and heard complain about this and many other programs, I've installed this script many times as well. I've done some modifications and customized things for customers and partnered with people who will use NOTHING else. I respect them for their convictions and do what I can to use the tools that are given to make the best of each situation.

    At this moment, the problem I'm having is that the client I'm working for will NOT use any other merchant provider, other than Authorize.net, due to the multi-tiered rules of the majority of the other companies available. For some crazy reason no matter what we do NOTHING works. We have the account in "test mode". We've logged in to the Authorize.net website and copied / pasted the api code. And we've set up a brand new trans key (deleting any previous ones) and set all of this up within the script. Again, none of this is working! In fairness, this could be an Authorize.net issue, which we'll know for certain tomorrow when they open as we were literally 3 minutes late with our 4th phone call in to them today trying to get support.

    In the meantime Mike, as YOU were one of the initial "beta testers" for the Butterfly Marketing Script, if you have any advice for me on this one I would appreciate that more than you know. As mentioned in my last post I have a great deal of respect for both you and Mike Filsaime, there are just a few things I disagree with regarding how this rolled out and the fact that people have to pay an additional $300 for support. These are merely my opinions though and I hope that you guys can respect those just as I respect the opinions that everyone else has to offer.

    Coming back full circle here again though, I would again like to humbly ask for your comments or any help you could offer on the Authorize.net issues that we're having. Any advice you might have would be helpful.

    Jeffrey S. Wyrick
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenneth L
    As a paying customer of BFM1 I would say the script is pretty difficult to use and most Newbies who signed up would be better using XSitepro 2 and running a traditional site without the technical trouble.

    Outside the I.M Niche, where 99% of Newbies should be marketing, there is very little need for the BFM Script. Hardly any customers in these markets are going to start heavily marketing your products to make any significant difference to your financial life.

    With regard to giving away software people paid a LOT for I think it's pretty crappy. Okay, it's up to him however, it still does stink, especially for those who bought it recently.

    There has been a trend of this in IM. The worst case was when John Reese sold The Reese Report Collection in December for $2000 and then gave it away as a bonus in February for Mass Control. How gutted would you be if you bought?

    Kenneth
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    • Profile picture of the author Mario Brown
      I heard Mike speaking last weekend in San Diego at the Mass Control Seminar, he explained why he gave his product away for free, he explained the psychology behind his move and he revealed how much he made with the upsell and the continuity.

      It all made a lot of sense and he truly is a Bad Ass marketer. I wasn't a big fan of him before the seminar but things are different when you meet somebody in person or see him on stage learning what happened behind the scenes.

      Anyway, when I opened the package of BM I was impressed just by the Butterfly Marketing Material and the 7 Figures Material.
      The advise in the folder alone is worth more than 30 bucks, let alone the script.
      I mean people received a script that was sold for 2k for 30 bucks and still complain.
      Here's what I would do, take some of the money that you have saved and pay somebody to install the script for you. That's it. Keep it simple.

      Frank Kern mentioned that there was a big thread about spelling errors in his product when his Infomillionaire came out and he said it's hard to believe that people take the time to keep on posting stuff about things like that after receiving a solid product for free.

      It's all about the mindset folks.

      For 30 bucks I received some very solid material with the BM Manuscript + 7figures manuscript plus a 2k program/script.

      I think there are more important things to focus on than complaining about getting such a great value for 30 bucks.

      Just my 2 cents.
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      • Profile picture of the author jwyrick
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        EDIT -- I've been contacted by Mike personally and he assures me that all PAYING members of the Butterfly Marketing Script do get FREE support and FREE access to the videos. It's possible that my clients who have pointed these things out to me are either unaware of this or they're one of the 15,000 people who received BFM2 for FREE, so at that point...hard to complain.

        Thank you Mike for clearing this up for all of the people who have been wondering about this.
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        Mario, No one is questioning that Mike Filsaime is a GREAT marketer. The problems many that I've talked to have had are more surrounding "bugs" in the script and a lack of support. True, many paid upwards of $2,000 for the script and some of those people are NOT HAPPY to see the same software given away for free. Others would argue that this happens all the time in the IM niche. Admittedly both sides have a valid point and YOU got very lucky to happen on such a great deal at the time you did.

        However, the script is "buggy" and the only form of "free support" comes from a forum that most of the people I've talked to are claiming takes quite some time to get help on as the majority of the help they've gotten all comes from ONE person. Please note that I said "most of the people that I've talked to" and NOT that EVERYONE feels this way, as I don't at all mean to imply that I know the THOUSANDS who have purchased, bought as an OTO or now gotten one of the 20,000 FREE copies of this software.

        The bigger complain comes in when people have to pay an additional $300 for direct support and another $97 for the installation videos. If you're not techno-savy and you happen to be one of the people who have paid upwards of $2,000 for the script and then had to pay more for support and installation videos I think you'd hold resentments just like those who are complaining.

        Honestly, I have NOTHING against Mike Filsaime. I'm sure he's a wonderful guy and based on what I've seen, heard and read he's an EXCELLENT marketer. My experience in all of this comes from the numerous installations, modifications and headaches I've had working with this script....and that comes after TEN YEARS of experience in the industry. If the same group asked me I would've directed them to talk to Sid Hale about his RAP (rapid action profits) script, as it's far easier to use and install, there's less problems with it over all, the support is both LIVE and FREE on Skype. Plus, there's a ton of addons that are now available and many more in the process of being developed.

        On that note, I'm admittedly biased. However, the reviews that I give are honest and based on many years of experience in the industry along with many installation of both of these scripts for myself, partners and clients. Sadly, on the other end of that spectrum, I'm also aware that far too many will complain without any real knowledge of what's going on and little to no experience with the BFM or BFM2 software.

        Jeffrey S. Wyrick
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by Kenneth Rearden View Post

      Outside the I.M Niche, where 99% of Newbies should be marketing, there is very little need for the BFM Script. Hardly any customers in these markets are going to start heavily marketing your products to make any significant difference to your financial life.
      I just wanted to comment on this...

      I would say to anyone outside the IM niche that this is EXACLTY where the script is a good fit. Here's why...

      I the IM niche, we are all used to, and EXPECT to see OTO's, upsells, downsells, etc. We have become rather "immune" to them where the effectiveness is no where near what it once was.

      Late last year, I decided to set up a site revolving around a product I actually created back in 03 or 04 in a different niche. I offered my product for 30 bucks and then an upsell for another 17 bucks.

      Let me tell you, I was FLOORED by the number of people who took the upsell. Much more than I have seen in the IM niche in a while.

      Price COULD have played a part with the upsell being cheaper than the product, but I have done that before in the IM niche and have not seen these numbers.

      I had over 50% of the people take the upsell. Actually, almost 60%.

      Now, I agree though that you WON'T get a truckload of affiliates to grab your tools and promote. Many niches don't care about that. But this script is not ONLY to have affiliates, or offer a free product with an upsell.

      I saw very good numbers in a NON-IM niche and I plan to do the same thing in another niche.

      Just wanted to share...

      Mike
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      • Profile picture of the author Kenneth L
        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        I just wanted to comment on this...

        I would say to anyone outside the IM niche that this is EXACLTY where the script is a good fit. Here's why...

        I the IM niche, we are all used to, and EXPECT to see OTO's, upsells, downsells, etc. We have become rather "immune" to them where the effectiveness is no where near what it once was.

        Late last year, I decided to set up a site revolving around a product I actually created back in 03 or 04 in a different niche. I offered my product for 30 bucks and then an upsell for another 17 bucks.

        Let me tell you, I was FLOORED by the number of people who took the upsell. Much more than I have seen in the IM niche in a while.

        Price COULD have played a part with the upsell being cheaper than the product, but I have done that before in the IM niche and have not seen these numbers.

        I had over 50% of the people take the upsell. Actually, almost 60%.

        Now, I agree though that you WON'T get a truckload of affiliates to grab your tools and promote. Many niches don't care about that. But this script is not ONLY to have affiliates, or offer a free product with an upsell.

        I saw very good numbers in a NON-IM niche and I plan to do the same thing in another niche.

        Just wanted to share...

        Mike

        Yeah but you can easily run a one time offer without needing a complicated script. There is a really good free-one available by David Thomas. Frank Rumbauskus uses it.

        Butterfly Marketing Script is built on the fact you're going to get people signing up and promoting, mostly through JVs and you don't have to worry about traffic.

        That won't happen outside I.M. Therefore people would be better off with a simple solution to get going.

        Kenneth
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
          Originally Posted by Kenneth Rearden View Post

          Yeah but you can easily run a one time offer without needing a complicated script. There is a really good free-one available by David Thomas. Frank Rumbauskus uses it.

          Butterfly Marketing Script is built on the fact you're going to get people signing up and promoting, mostly through JVs and you don't have to worry about traffic.

          That won't happen outside I.M. Therefore people would be better off with a simple solution to get going.

          Kenneth
          Kenneth,

          You're splitting hairs...

          I simply responded to someone who said it does not work outside IM, and I simply pointed out how it does.

          And, let me make this clear too...

          Once you have installed and configured this script one or two times it really ISN'T all that complicated. I have worked with membership scripts 10 times more complicated than this one.

          There's a curve - but what these days DOESN'T have a curve?

          And for 30 bucks...well, why NOT use it outside the IM niche?

          It's all personal preference. I have set up literally DOZENS of BFM sites (just my own) and I have them installed and configured inside of a couple of hours (ready to take orders).

          It gets easier - trust me. I ain't all that intelligent

          Mike
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    EDIT -- I've been contacted by Mike personally and he assures me that all PAYING members of the Butterfly Marketing Script do get FREE support and FREE access to the videos. It's possible that my clients who have pointed these things out to me are either unaware of this or they're one of the 15,000 people who received BFM2 for FREE, so at that point...hard to complain.

    Thank you Mike for clearing this up for all of the people who have been wondering about this.
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    Mike,

    I'm logged in to the support forum right now and there are 82 posts regarding issues that people are having with Authorize.net working with the BFM and BFM2 script. At one time there were videos for this that were offered FREE (or so I'm told) to those who have in the past purchased or been given the BFM script, which my client has. He was NOT one of those more fortunate who received the recent "free offer", which again in itself I think is good at the price just from the marketing inormation received.

    Anyhow, seeing what I see in the forum I can tell that my client is NOT the only one who is having problems configuring with Authorize.net and wondered if you might be able to shed some light on this, point us in the right direction for the videos or give us contact information for someone who can help. We have been able to get things up and running smoothly with ALL credit cards, except with VISA, which we're looking in to right now. However, I'm inclined to believe that if more people were aware of the free videos and where they could find them there would be less support issues. :-)

    Jeffrey S. Wyrick
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Hi Jeff,

      I will speak to Becky Dielman and Randy Fogg (from the ButterflyMarketingVideos.com site) about putting Authnet videos at the top of their list.

      Integrating with Authnet is NOT all that easy if you have never done it, but with good instruction, it's not that bad either.

      I know videos on this subject are forthcoming, but I will see if they will push them up a bit.

      I'll keep you posted...

      Mike

      Originally Posted by jwyrick View Post

      Mike,

      I'm logged in to the support forum right now and there are 82 posts regarding issues that people are having with Authorize.net working with the BFM and BFM2 script. At one time there were videos for this that were offered FREE (or so I'm told) to those who have in the past purchased or been given the BFM script, which my client has. He was NOT one of those more fortunate who received the recent "free offer", which again in itself I think is good at the price just from the marketing inormation received.

      Anyhow, seeing what I see in the forum I can tell that my client is NOT the only one who is having problems configuring with Authorize.net and wondered if you might be able to shed some light on this, point us in the right direction for the videos or give us contact information for someone who can help. We have been able to get things up and running smoothly with ALL credit cards, except with VISA, which we're looking in to right now. However, I'm inclined to believe that if more people were aware of the free videos and where they could find them there would be less support issues. :-)

      Jeffrey S. Wyrick
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    Is the OP someone on Mike's staff?

    This whole thread is sounding like one big damage control.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by TheAngelGuy View Post


      Is the OP someone on Mike's staff?
      No. Just someone with an opinion - just like you
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    EDIT -- I've been contacted by Mike personally and he assures me that all PAYING members of the Butterfly Marketing Script do get FREE support and FREE access to the videos. It's possible that my clients who have pointed these things out to me are either unaware of this or they're one of the 15,000 people who received BFM2 for FREE, so at that point...hard to complain.

    Thank you Mike for clearing this up for all of the people who have been wondering about this.
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  • Profile picture of the author jwyrick
    Also Markus,

    The ability to upsell and downsell is by no means NEW to internet marketing or "real world" business by any means. How many times have you ordered something over the phone and they asked if you wanted to add something OR how many time (as Mike Filsaime points out) have you gone to McDonnalds and asked for a burger or something and heard "Would you like fries with that?" / "Would you like to make that a combo for just.....$X.xx more?". And by no means is this new and in the world of online marketing either. The BFM script is merely taking advantage of this highly effective marketing strategy.

    A great LIVE example of something like this that Anik gives in the new LaunchTree that he and Mike Filsaime have recently released is Amazon. If you go there to order a book, which is by NO MEANS internet marketing related, they will show you other best sellers or more popular options that others who have purchased the same book were interested in. This is their way of upselling and honestly....if Amazon is doing this....it works!

    Jeffrey S. Wyrick
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