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14 years ago

No hands SEO means SEO done by automated software. Personally I do not like any kind of SEO software because they are nothing but spam. You may get ranking through them but they will not last there for long.

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powerofschool

14 years ago

Seo done by Software is really not good always.
Manual Seo service is good one.
So my preference is to take manual seo services.

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GuybrushT

14 years ago

These automated softwares should only be used for second or third tiers, when you're directly linking to your money site, always use high quality manual links with unique content.

And if you insist on automation, I'd also take a look at GSA Search Engine Ranker, it's very similar to NoHands, but might support more platforms (which equals more diversity).

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miki123 14 years ago

It is good for blasting your second or third tiers with low OBL blog comments but finding low obl blogs is slow. At least you will see increase in yahoo and bing ranking.
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PerformanceMan

14 years ago

The trouble with automated backlinks is they continuously get de-indexed. You end up fighting an uphill battle.

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13 years ago

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jimbobo2779

13 years ago

How so many people still believe in the mantra of automated being bad in the face of so many people with real experience with them actually getting and keeping high rankings with automated tools is absolutely beyond me.

How do people completely ignore the actual users that are seeing great gains and keeping their sites high in the rankings with automated tools? It really is bewildering to me.

Originally Posted by webby0031

Blasting a competitor site, if its not an authority will do damage in the end.

If you blast your money site, it will work but in the end you will be penalized.

If you blast your Tiered sites then your money site cant be penalized

Wrong on the first 2 counts, kind of correct on the 3rd. How do you explain the huge amount of case studies where people have attempted to blast a site out of the first page with shitty links only to bolster its position to the point of it being unmovable?

Yeah Neg SEO is possible in some cases but it is not nearly as easy as just firing up a tool and hitting go.

Originally Posted by Alex Greene

No hands SEO is something which can cause some nightmare for your website's ranking. You may see some initial improvement. But as a lot of those backlinks will get deleted and a lot them will be marked as spam. Never relay on anything automotive for SEO.

Yes, you can use softwares to find link opportunity but not for link building.

Again where do you people get this idea? If I had to do my link building manually or to pay someone to do it manually I would be broke as a joke right now.

Originally Posted by hyonmyongyun

Reall? I did not know that.

That's because it isn't true.

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submitinme

13 years ago

Automated tools for SEO will not give sustained results. The results you get from these type of tools are normally short lived and will hurt in the long run.

Tools should be used only to measure your performance but not to perform SEO.

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jimbobo2779

13 years ago

Originally Posted by submitinme

Automated tools for SEO will not give sustained results. The results you get from these type of tools are normally short lived and will hurt in the long run.

Tools should be used only to measure your performance but not to perform SEO.

You have anything to back up this incorrect assumption that you read somewhere?

There are probably 10s of thousands of webmasters out there that use automated tools on a daily basis and see gains all the time. In fact I still have yet to see any of my sites negatively affected by a Google update or attract any sort of penalty from using any automated tools and I have been doing this for 7+ years now, maybe longer.

Those that try to fool you into thinking manual all the way is the best are snake oil salesmen at best and outright scam artists at worst.

Get some experience yourself, learn how to use them and stop posting things that are not based on fact but some fantasy based around the lies of Matt Cutts (someone that is paid to spread misinformation on behalf of Google)

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Prowebstakht

14 years ago

NO hands seo is kind of like spam, so best to avoid using it.

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twilightofidols

14 years ago

Personally, I wouldn't use it to build Tier 1 links but there won't be any harm if done properly. Needless to say, it's much easier to use these automated tools the wrong way and do damage.

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Super Money Maker

14 years ago

Try manual SEO only it is much safer and better.

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kaytav

14 years ago

Manual SEO is the best. U might get in trouble with 2 animals if you use software for SEO. Manual SEO is the best for 2013.

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kccan

14 years ago

Okay, thank you all what is Manual SEO is that article writing?? or what?

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mrshark4 14 years ago

I have used No Hands SEO before and to be honest i wouldnt recommend it as your links will get de-indexed and it is spammy. Never ever use it on your money site. Its all about manual seo. writing on article directories,social media,press release,social bookmarking and video marketing. Make a few youtube videos as they rank really high in the search engines.
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samual james

14 years ago

Google is launching too many updates per months so using a software to build links is not good idea. Try to create links manually and you need to make sure that you are diversifying anchor text

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challanger

14 years ago

Automated way of doing Link building means Off-Page SEO is not good... although you can use Semi auto.. and when I say Semi-auto it means..
No need to make reports on your own
No forms filling one by one
research
rankings
etc. etc. etc. etc.

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saloni

14 years ago

I tried SE-Nuke.. its fantastic.. you can tryout once... but software's are not helpful in good ranking for long time so please try real backlinking or seo....

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jimbobo2779

14 years ago

As with any SEO tool its results are totally dependant on the user. Yes NHSEO can take just a couple of inputs (website address and desired link texts) and create thousands of links automatically but it can also be used far more intelligently.

With NHSEO you can set the comments to be posted (relevant comments if you wish), set your search keywords (so your links are targetted), set your anchor texts (so targeted links) for any or all pages of your websites (spread the links across your website).

On top of these features you can block certain domains or domains that contain certain bad words, limit by PR of the page or domain, limit by number of outbound links so you can ensure that the links created are of a good quality.

Lots of people (especially on this forum) seem to refuse to believe that software can have a positive effect when backlink software has been the goto tool for most good SEOs for many many years with no end in sight.

I personally have used NHSEO on many websites directly and indirectly at this point and have yet to see a negative impact on a single one of them due to this. If you are the cautious type then you are free to use software indirectly only. I have posted many many screenshots of webstats from around 25 or so domains that have had No Hands SEO run on them and the traffic has always been improving.

When I go back over my links created I see many instances of good PR (anywhere upto PR6 or PR7 are relatively common with rare occurrence of a PR8), some with low OBL and now with v2 I have started seeing a good percentage of dofollow links as well. If you cannot make links like these improve your rankings and traffic then that is not a failing of the software.

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dwayne123

14 years ago

It is a waste of time if you do by software. just do manually.

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14 years ago

By hand SEO is just awesome in these day, automated tools cause Google Penalty..

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hbhanot

14 years ago

I call them Spam if you do not use them wisely. Now in 2013 no hands seo seems to be outdated and could help penalized your site. There are free version available to no hands seo if you really want to have one. But use them carefully. Send me a PM and I will send you link to a blog post to get your 8-9 softwares.

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molsted

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kccan

Any feedback regarding this software would be appreciated, is it safe to use, is it worth the investment?

What type of SEO software would you recommend.

Thank you, if this is a newbie type question.

Keith C

I have never used No Hands SEO so I cannot really tell, but if you look at the feedback here saying that automated programs doesn't work etc...well, take that with a grain of salt. Most of the comments seem to come from people who sell SEO services (like I do). Of course they/we want people to use our services instead of automated scripts!

But, truth be told: Automated backlinks can work. You just need to use a lot of different types. I can personally (and many of my customers) vote for the increased rankings achived by automated solutions.

Just don't blast a new site with thousands of links. Build it slowly, diversify and use your brain and you should be fine!

That being said, nothing beats links from quality content on high quality authorative websites... if you afford/achive that, that is....

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Lanx

14 years ago

just like a few have point out, those who say
"go manual all the way"

somehow manage to have a for sale thread.

again ppl who spout manual backlinking are in it for 2 reasons
1. to spout ignorance (they feed on your FEARS in order to sell their services)
2. are afraid of/used software wrong.

look not everyone can or should drive... if you were unfortunate to be born blind, why do you deserve a drivers license? heck if you were born or by accident of have no hands, should you really drive?

these ppl that spout off about their religious zealotry towards manual linking just cannot use the software, they don't know how to, and can't learn, so they tell others the same.

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burton4550

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Lanx

just like a few have point out, those who say
"go manual all the way"

somehow manage to have a for sale thread.

again ppl who spout manual backlinking are in it for 2 reasons
1. to spout ignorance (they feed on your FEARS in order to sell their services)
2. are afraid of/used software wrong.

look not everyone can or should drive... if you were unfortunate to be born blind, why do you deserve a drivers license? heck if you were born or by accident of have no hands, should you really drive?

these ppl that spout off about their religious zealotry towards manual linking just cannot use the software, they don't know how to, and can't learn, so they tell others the same.

Well said!!

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coatedpill

13 years ago

Just a question.

Does .edu backlinks is better than .com?

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affilorama-portal

13 years ago

I would always prefer doing SEO manually. This way I know where my links are coming from, I can track the links easily, I can build backlinks naturally, etc. These are just few of the reasons why I like manual SEO.

However, this does not mean that automated SEO tools are no longer recommended. In my opinion, they are still useful when done right.

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Slin

13 years ago

It depends on what you're trying to do.

You're competition, your site, those kinda things. It does what it says though, it builds links on autopilot for you, with a few different platforms.

It's competitors are gsa ser and scrapejet.

I have nohands pointed at a test website right now in fact. If you have the money to spend and don't mind testing then go for it.

If you need professional help though, use that money to buy a service.

But yes, it does what it says it does, builds automatic hands off links.

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GyuMan82

13 years ago

Good SEO requires hands.

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seoace

13 years ago

I prefer GSA Search Engine Ranker. More diversity + quality + functions to get you better quality links.

Additionally, it can build links on 10x more sites than NHS.

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jimbobo2779

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seoace

I prefer GSA Search Engine Ranker. More diversity + quality + functions to get you better quality links.

Additionally, it can build links on 10x more sites than NHS.

Not true. 10x more sites? How is that? NHSEO supports around 50 different platforms that all have anywhere from a million page results to hundreds of millions, lots of GSA platforms will just target a single domain. Everything about NHSEO is based around diversity of domains and IP addresses (the back bone of a natural linking profile) which is why it was a conscious decision to not include single sites.

Also it is important to note that when you target single sites (such as a hosted blog platform) it is very easy for that site to make a small change and that script no longer works, I know from looking that there are many platforms like this in GSAs list.

The function difference in GSA and NHSEO is very small at the most and NHSEO is the only tool that I know of that will automatically crawl a website to promote all pages of a website, this is a great feature for improving the rankings of many pages for many keywords with very little effort.

Also to say quality is better in one or the other is not really thinking about the situation, both search for sites and post to those sites so both have very variable quality, both allow you to set quality limitations and as such the quality from both is comparable. To say otherwise is just outright incorrect.

I don't want to seem like I am coming down too hard on you because lots of people post this sort of thing and it is easy to just assume that everyone understands the intricacies about both tools but the sad truth is that most people (I am not saying you are one of these) are just parroting what they have seen other people post. The fact is both tools have a very comparable feature set and both post to a large amount of platforms, there are positives and negatives of both in regard to each other. Obviously which you prefer is your opinion and that is fine but certain misleading things are posted regularly and I feel the need to put them right so that others do not assume that NHSEO is somehow limited to posting to a small amount of sites when that could not be farther from the truth.

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mshajid

13 years ago

For my personal experience In SEO, It's Good "NHSEO" because it's better to build 3rd tier links to 2 tier links. Anyway It's SPAM but you could edit that software to a white hat seo from Black hat. Just change the footprints when you going to blog comment. If you've a specified niche then you could edit your comments which possible to attract your visitors(According to your niche) and spin them to various comments. Afterwards No Hand SEO also a Good software.

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Hansons

13 years ago

Yes, manual work is needed today, you can think people are not getting success even doing manual work so how would you do with automated work.

Well, you can use tools for research, on-page optimization, checking backlinks, collecting sites for link building purposes etc.

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jimcroisdale

13 years ago

Automated links can work, but there is a problem.

If you build 200 links a month (and get them to stick) for the next year, you might do really well. *Might*.

But then, when there's another Penguin update you could lose them all, and that will see your rankings tumble a long way, almost overnight.

A ranking drop is a bad thing, even of in the back of your mind you were expecting it.

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flipfire

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jimcroisdale

Automated links can work, but there is a problem.

If you build 200 links a month (and get them to stick) for the next year, you might do really well. *Might*.

But then, when there's another Penguin update you could lose them all, and that will see your rankings tumble a long way, almost overnight.

A ranking drop is a bad thing, even of in the back of your mind you were expecting it.

Automated links only work for a short period of time. If your building a site for the longterm, there is no point in getting automated links. They mostly all end up devalued eventually.

Regards,

Lee

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jimbobo2779

13 years ago

Originally Posted by flipfire

Automated links only work for a short period of time. If your building a site for the longterm, there is no point in getting automated links. They mostly all end up devalued eventually.

Regards,

Lee

It really amazes me that some people still hold onto this idea when there are lots of webmasters out there using solely automated link building methods.

I would say over the past 5 years the amount of manual links I have bought probably does not exceed 5% (and that is probably being very generous). I have not seen a single update result in any sort of penalty and am just astounded that so many people seem to claim this is not just a likelihood but something that will happen.

I have been in this business for almost a decade now and have never seen a single site catch any sort of penalty, obviously not all of my sites are at the #1 position but I would dare to say that I see much more success than most and spend far less time than the vast majority on link building. Up til now (and for the foreseeable future) there has been a very simple formula for decent rankings:
1) Have a decent site with unique content that people would actually want to see/read/view
2) Promote each content and category page not just the homepage
3) Vary anchor texts as much as possible for each page
4) Use relevant link content (articles, comments, bookmarks etc)
5) Use varying link page content (spun articles, comments, bookmarks etc)

More recently I have added another rule to the list and that is to add in some generic anchor texts. Having 0 generics was slowing my journey up the SERPs and when I started adding these in everything carried on as it had in the past and I found this to be more or less the only thing that the latest Google update really changed.

I also have quite lax limitations to links that I will generate to my sites and will generally just prevent posting to sites with a high number of outbound links as these are generally the sites that have been heavily spammed.

Nearly every time I have helped people to diagnose why they were hit by a penalty it has been due to the content on the site which fits in with what the latest updates have been there to target. In my experience if you have a decent site there is a high likelihood that you will be able to gain a decent rank and keep it there for a long time, this has never really showed any signs of changing and why would it?

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erica6

13 years ago

Manual SEO is more better.

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Kael41 13 years ago

Originally Posted by erica6

Manual SEO is more better.

This kind of thinking will only allow you to grow so big. Manual SEO is also a vague term. What do you mean by manual seo? Onpage optimization? Offpage comp checking? Backlinking?
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13 years ago

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webby0031

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JasonChan

I have a question - can "blasting" a site with LOTS of links POSSIBLY hurt that site?

let's presume that all these links come from "duplicate content" pages, so the "damage" is maximized

if it's possible to hurt a site by doing this, what's stopping our competitors in the same niche from "blasting" our site into oblivion? or stopping us from retaliating in like manner?

on the other hand, if this isn't true, then why are people using "second tier", "third tier" sites?

Blasting a competitor site, if its not an authority will do damage in the end.

If you blast your money site, it will work but in the end you will be penalized.

If you blast your Tiered sites then your money site cant be penalized

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dcary13

13 years ago

...until Google will target the tiered linking - and they will because its one of the major sources of spam around web 2.0. The footprint is that easy & big...

It will be fun here when tiered links will go down.

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Alex Greene

13 years ago

No hands SEO is something which can cause some nightmare for your website's ranking. You may see some initial improvement. But as a lot of those backlinks will get deleted and a lot them will be marked as spam. Never relay on anything automotive for SEO.

Yes, you can use softwares to find link opportunity but not for link building.

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Kael41

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alex Greene

No hands SEO is something which can cause some nightmare for your website's ranking. You may see some initial improvement. But as a lot of those backlinks will get deleted and a lot them will be marked as spam. Never relay on anything automotive for SEO.

Yes, you can use softwares to find link opportunity but not for link building.

It's a tool like anything else. With over 400+ domains and sites in my portfolio, I can assure you that nohands has a place along with Ultimate Demon and several other tools as well. These are 5 page microniche sites either. Tech,health, gaming, etc.

I've been running this tool for the past 2 years and I'd recommend it to anyone who understands how to learn how to use a tool before firing off on it blindly.

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ddev

13 years ago

I think that GSA Ser it's a better choice but...

1) Use it with strict filtering rules
2) Try with Web 2.0 (i like it to rank youtube videos) - wouldn't test directly with a money site.

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johnbrown12

13 years ago

I'm doing SEO from around last 6 years and running successfully my online business so I'll advise to do manual SEO is better than anything else and always remember fresh contents is the blood line of big G and SEO.

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johnbrown12

13 years ago

@Jason...it's very risky,obviously not good in the end

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Brian Lett

13 years ago

It actually works well for ranking authority sites such as Facebook pages. However, I wouldn't use it to build a single link to any of your money sites.

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imranfaq

13 years ago

Dear Friends

I read all threads, peoples split in 2 groups Manual and automated.

Its all depend on your keyword competition, if it's really high u need thousands of backlinks u should need automated but very very carefully, and if you have low competition u should do manually.

But now a days everything is changing, a mixture of manual and automated backlinking gives u good results but if u use it carefully, have you listen a term "Its not the gun Its man behind the gun", so use fresh and unique content, use automated tools just like human is doing itself, its fair.

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jattmarketer

13 years ago

Magic Submitter, SENuke and there are many software available for creating backlinks but they are worthless. SEO is not just creating back links in bulk, you need to do focus on content and kind of links that you are creating for the website. In my opinion you should do manual submissions to do the seo of the website, this will bring fruitful results for you.

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Kael41

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jattmarketer

Magic Submitter, SENuke and there are many software available for creating backlinks but they are worthless. SEO is not just creating back links in bulk, you need to do focus on content and kind of links that you are creating for the website. In my opinion you should do manual submissions to do the seo of the website, this will bring fruitful results for you.

All the Best!!

Karan J Singh

Did you even read my post right above yours? I have original sites, and domains, I've owned since 1997 that I use backlinking tools on <GASP> Amazingly worthless.

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cypherslock

13 years ago

Give me a break. You use those tools to make the process of getting your good quality content out there quicker. Add scrapebox to find your own high quality lists of sites and you're golden. It all starts with quality content. Tools like Magic Submitter, NoHandsSEO, GSA etc. just help speed the process. Worthless they're not.

And I can tell you that those who say they have a manual service, use tools too.

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affilorama-portal

13 years ago

I believe that automated tools for SEO are not that bad at all provided that they are used in moderation. They can certainly help in minimizing time and effort when building links. But again, it must be used in moderation.

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candymai

13 years ago

Auto backlinks are fine as long as they are not in Google restrict range.
For my safety, I only use them as tier 2.
For tier 1, manually done using semi-auto soft (roboform, etc) is safer.

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Simon Walker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by kccan

Any feedback regarding this software would be appreciated, is it safe to use, is it worth the investment?

What type of SEO software would you recommend.

Thank you, if this is a newbie type question.

Keith C

Avoid using automated software as their results are not long term. Try to find an SEO expert who can give your website 1-2 links per day. It will be better to have 60 100 links per month instead of having 10000 per month using automated.
A high quality link better than hundreds of poor quality links! With the new developments I tell you now Google gives negative score for poor links.

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jitendravaswani

13 years ago

Manually doing is good in SEO, why are you using automated software your website can be hurt and google can frown badly. So beware as search engines are getting very smart

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jimbobo2779

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Simon Walker

Avoid using automated software as their results are not long term. Try to find an SEO expert who can give your website 1-2 links per day. It will be better to have 60 100 links per month instead of having 10000 per month using automated.
A high quality link better than hundreds of poor quality links! With the new developments I tell you now Google gives negative score for poor links.

Originally Posted by jitendravaswani

Manually doing is good in SEO, why are you using automated software your website can be hurt and google can frown badly. So beware as search engines are getting very smart

1 - 2 links per day? Google will frown? Are you guys actually serious with this?

I am absolutely amazed that people can be so brainwashed and close minded that they actually think they will get anywhere in SEO thinking like this.

All I can assume is that the people that post this crap simply do not know what they are doing, they just cannot understand how to get rankings or to use software correctly. If any of them had used NHSEO recently they would know that all of the 50+ platforms have their stats listed such as dofollow/nofollow, whether they give relevant links (most do) etc also you can limit links by PR and by the amount of outbound links the target pages have. On top of all of this you get total control over your anchor texts (with spinning), comments (with spinning and the use of tags), you can insert generic anchor texts to create natural looking linking profiles and even setup automated tiering.

I could go on all day about all of the features that allow you to create a powerful yet natural looking linking pattern but it gets tiresome when it only takes someone else 2 seconds to come along and post ridiculous posts like the 2 I quoted here.

I guarantee I could create a much more efficient backlink profile with No Hands SEO than the overwhelming majority of people claiming manual is best.

Just to put it into perspective check these out from recent posts:

Pics from above post:

I could have posted a whole slew of different posts but the above just goes to show that NHSEO is effective and anyone that tries to say otherwise either has ulterior motives or simply does not understand the type of control No Hands SEO gives link builders.

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cypherslock

13 years ago

Quit trying to hawk your "manual" seo services here. I can tell you I've done that years ago. It sucked. Tools like NHSEO are just that: TOOLS. They're not some magical panacea that will get you ranking. If you don't have an understanding of what you're doing, you will hurt your site. It's not the tool, it's YOU, period. Jimbo has been very responsive to feature requests and has even started (must have more Jim, I'll help if you want) a video tutorial series.

I've tried all the tools, and own NH, Magic and soon GSA. Out of the three NH is the easiest by far but under the hood there's more than enough for the advanced seo guy or gal. So quit this crap already. Building your business properly means being outside your business, and that takes automation. Which this provides.

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crsnetwork13

13 years ago

I feel there are two strategies for seo marketing. 1st just doing viral articles that people get good content from and Secondly if you are going to do SEO use google keywords and do long-tail keywords that are less used.

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cypherslock

13 years ago

It's funny even with result after result to the contrary, there are always those that bash the tools. Guys, they're TOOLS. AKA you have to already have the knowledge of SEO to use them effectively. I've used NHSEO and have ranked sites (one of which, keywordmappro.net) is STILL #1 after a year. So it does work, quit saying it doesn't just to pad your post, look intelligent and sell your manual service.

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