Why I'm Definitely Not Joining Empower Network

by jc0708
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My experiences with Empower Network this week.
I attempted to join Empower Network with some
online credit card processing issues.

Reason for my valid USA Credit Card being declined
by the servers that Empower Network uses to process
valid USA Credit Cards. They are using a London, UK
credit card processor. Also expect to pay a 3% fee
from your USA processor. When I checked out activity
on my credit card, even to check for the credit card
being declined, was negative with no activity.

Called Empower Network Support for help and they don't
know what the problem is other then to tell me that my
computer has a proxy of 2,000 miles away and I don't
have anything wireless attached to this computer, it's
connected directly into my phone line. Called my Empower
Network Sponsor with little help or options.

Just recently attempted to followup with Emails with
Empower Network and their url support link will just not
load after 15 minutes. Sent my sponsor a Email with
my phone number with no response.

Do I really want to get involved with a company like
this with a few major roadblocks that they've had to
deal with over the years like not being able to process
USA orders with USA Credit Cards, because USA Credit
Card Processors don't want to process their orders,
so they chose to go overseas. A USA Company located
in Florida with USA Products that they can't process
on here in the USA. They've been banned from FaceBook
with allegations of spamming.

I'm back on the fence and was really looking forward to
becoming a Empower Network Afilliate.
#empower #joining #network
  • Profile picture of the author jc0708
    Anybody online have these problems with Empower Network,
    or their sponsors. Next option is to write snail mail letters.
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  • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Jonbones
    Seems like it would be something to avoid rather than look into, if you are having that many problems getting started.

    When it get's to the "I don't care what the problem is, shut up and take my money" stage, I had already bailed three steps ago.
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    • Profile picture of the author jc0708
      Originally Posted by GracieLake View Post

      It's not for you, obviously. I had a couple minor hiccups when I joined, and my credit card didn't go through at first because it was offshore.

      Yes, sometimes pages (not just EN) don't load as quick as I'd like (I'm impatient), but I hang in there and it's usually due to some momentary connectivity issue.

      For instance, I tried to log in to my bank account today, and it was down. I didn't go over there and yank my money out. Sometimes you just have to have faith that something will work - and that drives your success, I promise you. Yesterday, I spent half the day dealing with a firmware update for my wireless router - but I still give kudos to Linksys for working with me to get it right.

      I've never had any problems with the EN system since I signed up. There's a phone number to call for support and they're very friendly. So far, when my downline contacts me, I haven't had any problem getting back to someone.

      Best of luck to you and I hope you find what you're looking for

      Disagree with your remark: "Obviously It's Not For You".
      WHY, I'm not getting any help from support or my sponsor.
      Support is very nice, but they couldn't resolve this issue
      or suggest for me to call my bank to inquire about a block
      on my account for international transactions. I called my
      bank to inquire about any activity including a decline which
      was negative (no activity). From your responses of being
      patient, I think I did a very adequate job of doing that in
      regards to solving this through support, my sponsor. It's
      obvious that Empower Network might have a inadequate
      online system if a simple support page can't load. Made
      three attempts to get the card processed without success,
      called support, called my sponsor and I'm still on the fence.
      Not here to debate about this issue, just would like to get
      it resolved and keep moving forward.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
    Originally Posted by jc0708 View Post

    My experiences with Empower Network this week.
    I attempted to join Empower Network with some
    online credit card processing issues.

    Reason for my valid USA Credit Card being declined
    by the servers that Empower Network uses to process
    valid USA Credit Cards. They are using a London, UK
    credit card processor. Also expect to pay a 3% fee
    from your USA processor. When I checked out activity
    on my credit card, even to check for the credit card
    being declined, was negative with no activity.

    Called Empower Network Support for help and they don't
    know what the problem is other then to tell me that my
    computer has a proxy of 2,000 miles away and I don't
    have anything wireless attached to this computer, it's
    connected directly into my phone line. Called my Empower
    Network Sponsor with little help or options.

    Just recently attempted to followup with Emails with
    Empower Network and their url support link will just not
    load after 15 minutes. Sent my sponsor a Email with
    my phone number with no response.

    Do I really want to get involved with a company like
    this with a few major roadblocks that they've had to
    deal with over the years like not being able to process
    USA orders with USA Credit Cards, because USA Credit
    Card Processors don't want to process their orders,
    so they chose to go overseas. A USA Company located
    in Florida with USA Products that they can't process
    on here in the USA. They've been banned from FaceBook
    with allegations of spamming.

    I'm back on the fence and was really looking forward to
    becoming a Empower Network Afilliate.
    I literally just used the support desk about 15 minutes ago (unrelated incident). The link is working fine for me, just thought I'd put that out there.

    Just incase your using a bad link or whatever, here is the link to the support desk -

    EmpowerNetwork - Copyright © Empower Network, LLC

    Also if your card is getting declined the problem is on your end. Well, it's not your "problem" exactly, its (probably) due to the transaction taking place outside of the US and your bank will block it automatically thinking its fraudulent.

    I had a similar problem with a different company, the issue needs to be taken up with your bank. Give 'em a call and explain to them your trying to make the transaction and they will remove the 'block' for you and everything should work fine.

    Hope this helped.
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      • Profile picture of the author eGranny
        Originally Posted by jc0708 View Post

        Thanks for the help and yes it did help. Why didn't support
        suggest I call my bank to inquire about any block on the
        account for possible fraudulent activity which I have to
        give the bank points for even if it's causing a problem for
        me to have a international transaction processed. What
        do you think about this 3% international transaction fee
        that will be charged by my bank to do a international
        transaction.
        I am French AND Canadian AND reside in the USA. My children are spread all over the world (Vietnam, Costa Rica, France). With this background, I am very familiar with int'l transactions. Until I dealt with Chase, I always had outrageous fees (really can't remember the rates). For these transactions, I now use Chase Sapphire: no foreign transaction fees! Not even a penny
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    • Profile picture of the author jc0708
      Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post

      I literally just used the support desk about 15 minutes ago (unrelated incident). The link is working fine for me, just thought I'd put that out there.

      Just incase your using a bad link or whatever, here is the link to the support desk -

      EmpowerNetwork - Copyright © Empower Network, LLC

      Also if your card is getting declined the problem is on your end. Well, it's not your "problem" exactly, its (probably) due to the transaction taking place outside of the US and your bank will block it automatically thinking its fraudulent.

      I had a similar problem with a different company, the issue needs to be taken up with your bank. Give 'em a call and explain to them your trying to make the transaction and they will remove the 'block' for you and everything should work fine.

      Hope this helped.
      Josh: Would you know what London, UK bank/institution is processing USA Credit Cards for Empower Network, because I know it's not on your
      credit card monthly statement. Your credit card statement will show EmpowerNet followed by a 888 phone number.

      When I call my bank, they might question who the international London, UK processor is, so want to be prepared with specific correct information.
      Don't know if using a different credit card would help or would make any difference. Attempted to get the card processed again, and again there was a decline, reenter the correct information and try again. Information entered is correct, used this same card with another USA company that processes USA orders through a USA processor.

      Thanks for the help and will keep trying until I get this resolved.
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    • Profile picture of the author pringle1troy
      Originally Posted by BenDavis View Post

      Sounds like you need to do a better job of finding a good person to sign up with.

      YOU PICK YOUR LEADERS in this game. They are not assigned to you.

      I do not think this is Empower Network fault at all.
      A lot of it has to do with the Empower Network infrastructure itself.

      I have been trying to join for 2 days. I called Empower Network ( EN ).. support several times. They told me it was my credit card company. I called them, nope, no transactions denied.

      Then they told me, it was behind a proxy - I thought, oh dummy me. I'll go check that.. No, I was not behind a proxy - I checked, called back the next day and they told me it was their processor " allied wallet ".

      Nope, I called them to, nothing denied by them.

      Then they told me it was their system blocking my card because it was high risk - to their system. I used the card several times on many sites - they were fine with it.

      Empower Networks system is blocking my card - no guess as to how long it would take before my card is not high risk. They said: to many factors as to why it is high risk. They told me to get a different card. I tried using my money network card, nope that didn't work. I loaded money on it and it didn't work. Called them back and they said the system doesn't except pre-paid cards. What? It's a money network card.. I guess that's considered a pre-paid card..

      At the end of the day I do like Empower Network. But, they do have some real issues to resolve.

      The only way is to contact your sponsor - pay them through PayPal, if it's cool with them. They can then call Empower Network and tell them you paid. That's the final resolution that was offered after all the trouble.

      The only other thing one could do is to wait 48hrs, a week or many weeks for the card not to be high risk. If you've been charging a lot it could be that the EN System is flagging the card as high risk, not your card company and not Allied Wallet..

      Well, I hope this helps someone else figure out their problem and how to resolve it.

      And yes you do want a good leader who answers emails within 24hrs or less, at least most of the time.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kevinhoss
    Great reviews and I certainly appreciate all your input. I am also thinking of using DAP myself. So far, there are far more positive reviews. However, I would not discount the negative experience from jc0708.
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    • Profile picture of the author jc0708
      Originally Posted by Kevinhoss View Post

      Great reviews and I certainly appreciate all your input. I am also thinking of using DAP myself. So far, there are far more positive reviews. However, I would not discount the negative experience from jc0708.
      Still dealing with this credit card issue with no success. Just called my
      USA Credit Card Processor for support. After explaining what I wanted
      to accomplish, they approved the international order. Made another
      attempt without success. Tried another credit card without success.
      I use these cards for purchases throught USA Credit Card Processors
      without any problems, so the problem is on the international border
      and not the USA border. Have one more option before I have no
      choice but to walk away and move on. I'd like to know where David
      Woods or Dave Sharpe are to help resolve this problem where their
      support team was unable to help or offer options. These two guys
      are the founders of Empower Network.
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      • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
        Originally Posted by jc0708 View Post

        Still dealing with this credit card issue with no success. Just called my
        USA Credit Card Processor for support. After explaining what I wanted
        to accomplish, they approved the international order. Made another
        attempt without success. Tried another credit card without success.
        I use these cards for purchases throught USA Credit Card Processors
        without any problems, so the problem is on the international border
        and not the USA border. Have one more option before I have no
        choice but to walk away and move on. I'd like to know where David
        Woods or Dave Sharpe are to help resolve this problem where their
        support team was unable to help or offer options. These two guys
        are the founders of Empower Network.
        Sorry I'm late with my follow-up reply here's what you need to do -

        Wait 24-48 hours and don't attempt to make the purchase. If you cleared the problem with your bank, you will now be getting blocked by Empower (Too many failed attempts locks you out for X amount of time, usually 24 hours, but give it 48 to be sure).

        If you contacted your bank like you say, you will be able to make the purchase in 48 hours (I say this to be safe) it's usually 24 though.

        Also to clear up, the above scenario happens on EVERY site, it's not just Empower. It's the security features to prevent fraud from your bank AND the payment processor.

        Hope this helped.
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  • Profile picture of the author CoachManny
    It is interesting that one of their major delays at the beginning was the credit card processing problems causing delays for their launch.

    I've followed the company for a while (never an interest to join) as I try and stay tuned into Network Marketing companies.

    I've not heard of such a hiccup. Does sound weird that this is the only case I'm hearing about at the moment and I do believe JC is having this problem and not just an online troll trying to give the company a bad name.

    I did not know that the cc processing was done in London. I find that interesting. It's hard to really believe that can be very positive for them to have a cc processing based in London. I'm sure there are other MLM companies doing that so it's hard to know who does and who does not.

    I have had an instance where an individual was sure they had the money in their bank account and their debit card was declining. My thought was that the bank was protecting the card since the transaction was in Washington state and he lived in Kentucky. I also thought maybe it was a slew of transactions because it was a special and lots of people were taking advantage of the special.

    In the meantime, for JC to join EN he has to pay to join. That is the first hiccup he is faced with.

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    • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
      Originally Posted by swearbox View Post

      You are NOT the only one having these issues mate, here's what I know.

      I joined EN over a week ago, maybe going on two weeks now, and after my account was created I tried to pay my $25 blogging fee. The transaction was declined. I whipped out another card and tried again...declined. I got onto their Billing dept to find out what was up.

      I was asked if I had any 'charge backs' to my first card (EN operates a no refund policy) and I told them no, I wasn't in the habit of buying stuff then returning it before the refund period had elapsed. But I did tell the guy about an incident where someone used my details to buy an online subscription to Hustler that I subsequently had to get cancelled and refunded for. 'That could be why' came the reply from Billing. 'So what about the second card I tried?', I asked...'Probably because you tried again from the same IP address', he told me. I was told to try again in a couple of days time and I left it at that.

      I tried again using the second card I tried, the one with no charge backs. It failed so I got onto billing again. This time I got a much more experienced EN associate and she started to run through things with me. Here's the good stuff...

      She told me that they have a fraud detection system that pre screens your 'application' to part with money. The risk score you must get below is 6 or else your payment is going nowhere...it will be declined. There is a myriad of things that get checked but there are two show stoppers that you need to be aware of.

      1. A check is made to see if the card you are using was issued in the same country that you reside. In my case my first attempt was stopped because my card was issued in the UK (I'm a Brit) but I now live in Canada. My home address ties up with what my bank has but that means nothing.

      Card issued in UK + Request to pay coming from IP address outside the UK = FAIL

      2. The 'Open Proxy' conundrum. During my second call to the billing department I was told that one of the reasons for my high risk score (85) was due to the fact that I was using some kind of proxy. I wasn't (to my knowledge) even though I have used them in the past. I had Foxy Proxy installed as an add on to Firefox but I had uninstalled it 9 months ago. We tried a few tests (trying to pay from Internet Explorer) but still my risk score was through the roof and still I was showing as having some sort of proxy operating.

      I told the girl I would get a brand new card and then go to someone else's house to make my payment which I did. I had to wait 5 more days to get my new card. I went to my father in law's house and I successfully paid my $25 blogging fee using MY LAPTOP connected WIRELESSLY to his wireless router. I then decided to go home to complete the rest of my transactions as I'd been assured that once your card is in their system you should have no further payment issues. WRONG.

      I got back home and to cut a long story short I was declined the $19.95 payment to activate my affiliate account with Allied Wallet (their merchant account based in London UK).

      I waited two more days until today when earlier in the day I went back to my father in laws house with an unused card and tried to pay the affiliate fee. I used EXACTLY the same setup as before, my laptop, father in laws wireless internet, I even sat in the same effing seat at the table to do this. Result = DECLINED. WTF?

      I've been on to billing 4 times today over this and once to Allied Wallet in London. The big stopper today was this OPEN PROXY nonsense. How, I asked them, could it accept my transaction on Wednesday but decline it today when NOTHING has changed in the equation except I used a different card that I know is good to go. They have no answer. They cannot tell you anything about this 'proxy' problem except that it's on my end and must be something running om my laptop or network.


      I think it's all bollocks personally and is some random piece of code that executes for the wrong reason in THEIR system. I even checked with my ISP to see if they were doing anything unusual but they aren't. I tried another test to see if my score would come down any (it had risen to 93). I disabled my Kaspersky Internet Security, I connected directly to the router via ethernet cable, I disabled my wireless NIC (just in case), and still I showed up with an open proxy running.

      This problem is affecting way more people than you may expect and if you look at it in monetary terms it's potentially a MASSIVE loss of revenue for the guys higher up because folks who are having this issue simply won't bother to get it resolved and will throw in the towel. Not me though...I'm committed to finding out what's causing this issue and I'll be back here to broadcast it when I do.

      I wrote my first EN blog post yesterday...guess what it was about ? Todays blog post will be a follow up highlighting todays frustrations. Dunno if you can advertise links on here as I'm not a regular contributor but if you want to see my post go to EN...my username is robschofield...and for the love of all things bright and shiny DO NOT buy anything through my links because I'm not an affiliate and the money will go to my upline. Thanks for reading

      Rob
      When you went over to your father in laws house, why didn't you use the same card as before?

      Of course it will decline if you made the original payment on one card, then decided to pay the next product on a different card..

      DO NOT buy anything through my links because I'm not an affiliate and the money will go to my upline.
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  • Profile picture of the author kingrich21470
    People sometimes have to get hit by a brick to learn there lesson.

    Here are keywords to lookout as a RED flag

    "Three Clicks of Your Mouse to Millions"
    "STOP! This is the Last Program Your Going to Buy Ever"

    And if you buy a product or service before researching first, is
    your mistake.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
      Originally Posted by kingrich21470 View Post

      People sometimes have to get hit by a brick to learn there lesson.

      Here are keywords to lookout as a RED flag

      "Three Clicks of Your Mouse to Millions"
      "STOP! This is the Last Program Your Going to Buy Ever"

      And if you buy a product or service before researching first, is
      your mistake.
      Oh come on, where's the fun is using common sense?
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Another CULT has formed I await the fall
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  • Profile picture of the author kingrich21470
    There is nothing wrong with your credit-card, the people at EN are having problems
    processing new people to there so called service, because PayPal as canceled there
    service and once a credit-card processing company as big as PayPal, the word gets out
    to other credit-card processors not to take there business.

    P.S. The company won't tell you this, because they what to keep things going. The FTC will
    get wind of this company soon, and there assets will be frozen..
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  • Profile picture of the author serendipitous1
    I think the Empower Network is still a very good system to get involved with (i'm strongly considering)

    If you look at the Alexa rating these days, it is still super high with a ton of people visiting the site everyday...even this long after it first launched.
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  • Profile picture of the author milla04
    I am not apart of EN, however I have looked in to many programs like this. One thin I always look for which is a massive problem is duplication and making sure your downline can do the same. All I have found is people not having the money to run paid ads with EN. Plus I have found a trend of failures out weighing success.

    EN is a great program only if you can generate traffic to your capture page which will be at a cost. if you were to blog, you still have to pay for link building, more costs.

    This is why I joined a company where I can actually buy my downlines and have a call center call them on my behave, and my downlines can duplicate the same system without any problems or worry about paid advertising.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lanx
    i've been semi interested in empower network, now i don't need to learn how to sell or whatever, i just want access to the network. i know it sounds silly, but those member websites are really ranking up there with other web2's (i.e. wordpress/squidoo) do a pre-launch jack search and you'll see 2 empower guys, a web2 and 2 bought domain names.
    yea i know, why don't i just use the good web2's then? well i've actually come to learn if you try to build a web2 network wordpress2.0 is kinda restrictive, they do the afflink test.
    i was wondering what you could do with the empower network, now is it 25bucks a month or 25bucks for membership, these mlm things confuse me (i'm not interested in the 100upsell or whatever, just interested in the network). cool thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author milla04
      Originally Posted by Lanx View Post

      i've been semi interested in empower network, now i don't need to learn how to sell or whatever, i just want access to the network. i know it sounds silly, but those member websites are really ranking up there with other web2's (i.e. wordpress/squidoo) do a pre-launch jack search and you'll see 2 empower guys, a web2 and 2 bought domain names.
      yea i know, why don't i just use the good web2's then? well i've actually come to learn if you try to build a web2 network wordpress2.0 is kinda restrictive, they do the afflink test.
      i was wondering what you could do with the empower network, now is it 25bucks a month or 25bucks for membership, these mlm things confuse me (i'm not interested in the 100upsell or whatever, just interested in the network). cool thanks.
      Are you talking about the blogging system? If you get the blogging system, I believe its $25 a month.
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    cool, thanks for the clarification.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lanx
        you can't pay with paypal and just cancel subscription at will?

        i know they don't "payout" with paypal, but do they accept it?
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      • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
        Originally Posted by gudstuff View Post

        You will find that if you want out it will be as hard to get out and by the time you shut down you cc you will have been lead a long way (working with them to get out) when i got in there was no way to get out that any one could tell me i had to close my cc to get out
        Thats what happen to me last year
        This couldn't be further from the truth - lol

        There is a big button in the members area that says "Terminate Subscriptions" (see screenshot - 2013-03-01_0344 - jasondinner's library)

        This is the actual page to do it on (but you must be logged in)
        https://www.empowernetwork.com/Membe...n=subscription

        It couldn't be any easier. Some people just don't bother to look. And their customer support is very helpful too - if you just call them. But technically you don't have to call to cancel because it's brain dead simple to from inside of your account!! SMH
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  • Profile picture of the author milla04
    one way to try EN and be sure you will get your money back. In your paypal account sign up for a paypal debit card and make your payment through that, if after 30-40 days you are not happy contact paypal and they will get your money back. This is not a guarantee due to EN advertising on their site no refunds ( I believe, but I am sure someone will correct me) . Plus you can not expect to make a lot of money with EN within a month, although it is possible. Something to think about.
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    • Profile picture of the author milla04
      Originally Posted by Paula Zadick View Post

      Their videos are also banned on YouTube
      I am not the greatest fan of EN, but it would naive to think youtube is out right banning EN based on their creditably, which is wrong. Its the marketers who are buying fake views, likes and more who are getting banned. Although paypal, facebook have banned them so maybe Google and Youtube are next. But I very much doubt that. I suspect google to just blacklist the whole domain, this is something that could happen in the near future if people post spam.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
      Originally Posted by Paula Zadick View Post

      Their videos are also banned on YouTube
      The videos and entire channels are being banned from Youtube because there is a group of people purposely going out of their way to flag anything that bears that name.

      Also note that many of these people who had their channels banned got them back simply by contacting Youtube.

      Google it - lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshster
    EN is great if you have a large list and are prepared to sell them this MLM 'product', or have some other source of quality traffic. < ie. Work super hard getting a ton of traffic.

    Also you will need to be ready to pull up around $1500 (I can't remember the exact amount) to be fully invested in all the products.

    Personally I passed on this almost a year ago. Not my cup of tea.
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      Originally Posted by Joshster View Post

      EN is great if you have a large list and are prepared to sell them this MLM 'product', or have some other source of quality traffic. < ie. Work super hard getting a ton of traffic.

      Also you will need to be ready to pull up around $1500 (I can't remember the exact amount) to be fully invested in all the products.

      Personally I passed on this almost a year ago. Not my cup of tea.
      I have also passed on this ages ago even though it is being regulary promoted and recommended.
      The system is a pyramid scheme which is illegal that is why is is getting banned all over the place.
      The mainstay is you pay $25 month for a blog but you have to get others to do the same ,Thats where you make your money.so they say
      it is a Pyramid Scheme
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  • Profile picture of the author J T
    My partners and I are going like crazy in Europe and we are having ZERO problems with Dave And Dave.

    End of message, no links, no need

    team: The Rule of Six
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  • Profile picture of the author eGranny
    I have received a ton of emails about EN, and saved it all in a folder to investigate at a latter date. After reading these enlightening comments, I'll save myself the time, money and mailbox space. DELETE and don't look back! Enough aggravation at trying to understand the ropes
    Thanks to all.
    Martine
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  • Profile picture of the author SupplementTalk
    Hmmm. I really want to join EN and know that there are some very successful people within. However I don't like what I am hearing on this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author lordkensal
    No problems - here in UK. Very happy I joined. (through the BIG IDEA MASTERMIND). getting great results.
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    Just trying to wade through the Internet Marketing hype, find the good stuff and keep it simple - with the Internet Marketing Bootcamp

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