Pay Per call Ninja, Chris Winters

by cadoutsource 30 replies
Chris Winters is a respected honest marketer in my opinion. You don't see him just endorsing all kinds of products in this forum. Saw somebody tried to rip this off in this for earlier this year. Must be great training? Is anybody willing to do an honest review? Better yet has anybody made money from implementing these tactics and is it worth the price tag ? Just curious!:rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author cadoutsource
    Forgot to mention this product is $497
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  • Profile picture of the author EdVictor791
    I would also be curious as to any reviews/comments on this product...hmmm $497 for something with "Ninja" in the name. I suppose the name is par for the course in this crazy world of ticky tac online business.
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    • Profile picture of the author cybernet
      I'm also interested... His plan for making money with pay per calls seems to be real but... I have my doubts when it comes to his claim re: ranking websites on the 1st page of google for local search terms. If you can't rank the whole business model falls apart. Any opinions?
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      • Profile picture of the author JasonAaron1
        I haven't purchased this particular course, but in my opinion it seems like this method is safer than doing SEO work for a company on their site with no control over what happens after you get it ranked.

        It is a lot easier to get a long term client if you are the one that controls the lead flow.
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        • Profile picture of the author kbrady
          He emphasizes EMDs which were hammered recently. I would be curious to see if that Google update had any effect on rankings for his sites.
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          • Profile picture of the author mantis108
            Originally Posted by kbrady View Post

            He emphasizes EMDs which were hammered recently. I would be curious to see if that Google update had any effect on rankings for his sites.
            Actually imo this is a huge misnomer. EMDs were only hammered for very thing content sites, which is NOT what Chris advocates. EMDs still work very well on sites that have good content, trust me.
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            • Profile picture of the author apexlm
              Originally Posted by mantis108 View Post

              Actually imo this is a huge misnomer. EMDs were only hammered for very thing content sites, which is NOT what Chris advocates. EMDs still work very well on sites that have good content, trust me.
              I agree. I haven't used Chris' methods, but I have done similar types of sites for local lead generation and used EMD. It definitely works and with very minimal, and in some cases no backlinks on several that I have done.

              Ryan
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              • Profile picture of the author trelli
                As a call it, as I see it, type of guy that I am. I apologize in advance if this offends anyone..

                Gotta love political correctness. OK sorry back to the point.

                As someone that has followed (and purchased from, many times) CW is without a doubt, a very sharp individual, whom also managed to overcome many tough obstacles in life..
                For that, I say kudos to him, and wish nothing but the best!


                That being said, he exemplifies most everything that is right, and sometimes wrong. in this business.
                It is obvious this is going to get long, so for clarity, let me emphasize, I am neither a "fan boy" nor a detractor... period (as I have legitimate reasons to be both).


                Although this relates to the negative aspect, it was the first post, so will address it first... in response to this quote:

                Quote: cadoutsource
                "Chris Winters is a respected honest marketer in my opinion. You don't see him just endorsing all kinds of products in this forum."

                respected? Absolutely
                honest? After all this time following him, can not answer this with certainty..

                ....here is where it gets easy:
                "You don't see him just endorsing all kinds of products in this forum."


                Apparently, you are not on one of the 10 lists that I am on, whether I signed up for or not... get it? If there are doubters, one can easily verify....
                So.... before you go and judge my opinion, thinking it is just to skewer him, think again. Even after some things that are considered, (to me at least) not things that one could endorse.


                I am still seriously contemplating jumping in on this, for a couple of reasons.
                First, the guy has taught me quite a lot. 2nd: he seems to have an instinct, and a knack for strategies that I wish I had thought of.

                And 3rd, and probably most important, instinct tells me that even though, some of his negatives would have sent me packing from most... His sincerity, which is most important to me, shines through..
                Therefore, he sincerely cares, and wants to help people, or.. is sincerely an incredible BS'er. You be the judge..
                Usually the ability to figure ones true motives comes much easier for me.


                Not a great deal of help in the decision making process is it? Sorry, but in as short of form as I could put it, (there is much more) That is the honest TRUTH the way I see it, which, when am searching for info is All that matters...
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  • Profile picture of the author 8point6
    I was also a little worried about his claim to rank high, I did get there later in the presentation, but they took the time to answer alot of my questions at the end. They don't claim to be able to rank in the top.. it was a good sales pitch though, I had my all info typed, just ready to fire. I wimped out :/
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    • Profile picture of the author jvalentin
      Originally Posted by 8point6 View Post

      I was also a little worried about his claim to rank high, I did get there later in the presentation, but they took the time to answer alot of my questions at the end. They don't claim to be able to rank in the top.. it was a good sales pitch though, I had my all info typed, just ready to fire. I wimped out :/
      Funny, I was on a webinar today and although it does seems like a good program to get into, I too was hesitant to purchase.

      The issue is with his claims on ranking. I don't know of any site that needs a some SEO and Backlinks to get it rank. He did mention that he uses SENUKE and brush over the fact that he uses it to rank but said in most cases it's not necessary.

      I think there is more than meets the eye.

      Although I understand he has a money back guarantee but at $497 I'm not fully sold on it.

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  • Profile picture of the author BenQ
    I've seen his video. Good pitch and good business plan, but the claim of high ranks with no backlinks is not true. If you research some of the domains he shows at the top of google, they all have plenty of backlinks. I didn't see any with none. So the course may be good, but backlinks and seo will be necessary.
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    • Profile picture of the author rohitiyer11
      Originally Posted by BenQ View Post

      I've seen his video. Good pitch and good business plan, but the claim of high ranks with no backlinks is not true. If you research some of the domains he shows at the top of google, they all have plenty of backlinks. I didn't see any with none. So the course may be good, but backlinks and seo will be necessary.
      He goes back and backlinks domains. But he's ranked them w/o backlinks. I'm part of the course and I've done the same as well. Just depends on the niche/area and other variables. And if it doesn't rank, throw a few backlinks and get a little interaction going via loveclaw and you're set.
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  • Profile picture of the author bluecoyotemedia
    jvalentin

    That is the whole point of a money back guarantee would you not agree?? LOL

    I can never understand this thing that people do on this board. its like a herd mentality.

    if something interest you.. you may do a little diligence.. yes.. to check on the guys credibility.

    then you go and see for yourself.

    do you know that 97% of the people that buy any course never do anything with it.?

    anyway. Its a great course and Chris Winters is the real thing.

    Eddie

    PS. Another point.. Chris Launched this course back in October 2012.. and he has live weekly webinars.. that he still does to this day. answering questions updating strategies..that's 8 months of continuing education in real street experience etc

    he has archived more than 50 hours of webinars. better than a college education thats for sure.

    imagine getting access to this guy whos company does more than 4 million a year..

    for what $495?? a pittance.. the problem with the warrior forum is that people here are accustomed to these $7.00 WSO's and demanding the world for 7 bucks

    PPS. think about this... lead generation for offline business with the upcoming recession.. more and more businesses will be needing these services.

    this is a great model because its easy to explain to business people. they don't care about SEO, facebook, etc.. all they want are new customers.
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    • Profile picture of the author jvalentin
      Originally Posted by bluecoyotemedia View Post

      jvalentin

      That is the whole point of a money back guarantee would you not agree?? LOL

      I can never understand this thing that people do on this board. its like a herd mentality.

      if something interest you.. you may do a little diligence.. yes.. to check on the guys credibility.

      then you go and see for yourself.

      do you know that 97% of the people that buy any course never do anything with it.?

      anyway. Its a great course and Chris Winters is the real thing.

      Eddie

      PS. Another point.. Chris Launched this course back in October 2012.. and he has live weekly webinars.. that he still does to this day. answering questions updating strategies..that's 8 months of continuing education in real street experience etc

      he has archived more than 50 hours of webinars. better than a college education thats for sure.

      imagine getting access to this guy whos company does more than 4 million a year..

      for what $495?? a pittance.. the problem with the warrior forum is that people here are accustomed to these $7.00 WSO's and demanding the world for 7 bucks

      PPS. think about this... lead generation for offline business with the upcoming recession.. more and more businesses will be needing these services.

      this is a great model because its easy to explain to business people. they don't care about SEO, facebook, etc.. all they want are new customers.
      I totally agree with you on the point of money back guarantee. I seen the webinar and it's good stuff.

      My thing is that I don't know if it's for me. Meaning it does not fit in my overall plan.

      That's all.

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  • Profile picture of the author BrianKo
    Can I use Pay Per Call Ninja in Canada? Can I use my twillio canadian tel numbers in his software?
    Has anyone purchased this yet? Is it good?
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    • Profile picture of the author petelance
      Chris said on the webinar that you can only use US numbers someone from Canada asked.
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  • Profile picture of the author highrider21
    How much will it cost to set up these EMD lead gen sites? How much more do I have to invest after purchasing the course assuming I want to outsource the articles and most of the backlinking?
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    • Profile picture of the author georgearthur
      Originally Posted by highrider21 View Post

      How much will it cost to set up these EMD lead gen sites? How much more do I have to invest after purchasing the course assuming I want to outsource the articles and most of the backlinking?
      He said he sets up 150 sites per niche in a recent webinar. The minimum investment would be 150 domain names. At $3 a pop, that would be $450 - per niche. Phone numbers are $3 per month per phone number and 10 cents a minute.
      So you're looking at a minimum initial investment of $497 for the course, $450 for the domain names and $450 for phone number for a total of $1397 for your first niche and $900 for each additional niche if you follow his program. Then you have to find clients.

      Their PDF said say your not locked into the phone numbers - so that tells you that finding a niche that works is not guaranteed.
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      • Profile picture of the author betterbee
        I wonder if you can use exact match subdomains so you don't have to pay per domain name. ie. automechanichouston.local.com instead of just automechanichouston.com
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      • Profile picture of the author MakeItCount
        This is all true. As georgearthur mentions, the people who seem to be having success in this have sites numbered in the hundreds ... per niche.

        Like most programs (and I'm not saying this program does not have merit), it is much more involved and much more work than indicated on the webinar. There are a lot of struggling people in the private forum although, just like any membership-type forum, perhaps the successful people are busy making money and not seeking help.

        I signed up to see if this was something I could use to help out my clients. For my particular business, I decided it was not something I would consider implementing.

        Originally Posted by georgearthur View Post

        He said he sets up 150 sites per niche in a recent webinar. The minimum investment would be 150 domain names. At $3 a pop, that would be $450 - per niche. Phone numbers are $3 per month per phone number and 10 cents a minute.

        So you're looking at a minimum initial investment of $497 for the course, $450 for the domain names and $450 for phone number for a total of $1397 for your first niche and $900 for each additional niche if you follow his program. Then you have to find clients.

        Their PDF said say your not locked into the phone numbers - so that tells you that finding a niche that works is not guaranteed.
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      • Profile picture of the author ndwf21001
        Originally Posted by georgearthur View Post

        He said he sets up 150 sites per niche in a recent webinar. The minimum investment would be 150 domain names. At $3 a pop, that would be $450 - per niche. Phone numbers are $3 per month per phone number and 10 cents a minute.
        So you're looking at a minimum initial investment of $497 for the course, $450 for the domain names and $450 for phone number for a total of $1397 for your first niche and $900 for each additional niche if you follow his program. Then you have to find clients.
        While this is technically correct, it's a little misleading. Yes the training cost what ever it costs (i think it's around 450 or 500), but the idea is to scale things up to 150 or more sites, instead of jumping in with that amount.

        This is standard business stuff though, it's simple scaling.

        You don't start up a new coffee franchise and say, well, I have to open up 1000 stores to see if this is going to work or not. You open 1 and test and track, and if it's profitable you move forward and open a few more. Only when you have the system down do you expand to 150 - 200, and by then you're funding the effort with profits from the first couple sites. If it doesn't work early, you cut bait and try again in another niche.

        While I don't know Chris Winters personally, I do enjoy his training style. He takes the time every week to answer the questions he gets and archives the recordings so you can always ref to it later on. His training is thorough, and the vibe I get is that he tries hard to get the people that join his course to make money. The system is easy to understand, and not close to being saturated, yet, so in my opinion it was a good time to explore it.

        But, as always, it's going to be a great fit for some, but others not so much. While we all want to make money, that common denominator is simply not enough to ensure that a business venture is right for you.

        If you're familiar with basic website setup, good at understanding a task and delegating it to a team (outsourcing), have the time to talk to clients over the phone (although its not really cold calling), and are adept at scaling, then this business could work out great for you.

        If any of those things aren't in your comfort zone, then it's probably best to try something else.

        Either way, I had no complaints about Chris Winters or his course.
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  • Profile picture of the author danners
    I purchased the Chris Winters PPC program at the end of April. It cost me $495 which is way more than any "flat rate" program I bought before. I can honestly say, I think the $495 was well spent. Chris has so many videos and weekly live conference calls that you really can't digest all the information...and it's good, honest information, especially the weekly coaching calls!

    Comments have been made that there's more to it than Chris is selling...and there is. It's not a plug and play, push a button and make money type of business; but what is?! It's a business model that teaches you how to generate passive income... if you do it right. Just like anything worth the time; you have to put in the work, know your market, do the research, put your plan into action, learn as you go, adjust accordingly and then maybe it will payoff. Sound like a "real" business?

    Have I made money since I bought the program on April 17 and now, Aug 2? No. I've built 8 sites. 2 are in the top 2 on Google, 2 are on the first page, 1 is on pg 2, 2 are around pg 19 and 1 is no where to be found. 1 of my Google first page sites has generated 4 calls and 2 have generated 1 call each but unfortunately I didn't have the right customers answering the calls and all 6 leads were wasted.

    Does it work...yes! Does it take practice, a certain level of experience and time to work...yes! Is it a long term, lead generation system to build a REAL business around...I believe so! Is it for everyone...no! Do I think my $495 + $3mo for phone numbers + $25mo for hosting + $12yr for each domain was well spent...not yet! Obviously when I turn a profit, that will convince me, but this is the first program that I can envision building a legitimate long term business around that provides value to the marketplace and creates a steady, diversified, passive cash flow.
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  • Profile picture of the author doriono
    I never tried Christ Winters product before is it really worth to spend $497 any proof that people made money here? If you guys can post it, it would be of really great help.
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  • Profile picture of the author videomarketerus
    Chris Winters' Pay per call ninja is real, I have a site that is now ranking in the first page of Google for few months, and I am selling this for $1500.. i can transfer to you the number, earnings is around $40 - $70 per week...

    this site is ranking for several keywords and Chris also taught how to rank YT videos in Google that can be use for pay per call, and this website has YT video that is already ranking in first page of Google..

    I can send you invoices what was earned by this site. PM me to know the URL of the site. thank you.. more sites coming for sale..great business model.. earning almost $500 in just two months time..
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  • Profile picture of the author infoseek
    spend the 497 then put it to sleep inside your computer - that's what most people here will do - just another charge for the CC company
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