Arbitrage Conspiracy Results

17 years ago

There's an entire thread discussing Arbitrage Conspiracy in the CPA section.
A couple of members have posted some of their results, but nothing spectacular
so far.

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Star Riley

17 years ago

Looks like the formula is create something you can sell for thousands get big name people to promote for a big percentage and rack in the bucks.

Well I'm off to create a product on how to create a product and sell it for a big price with others promoting it. Should I price this at $3000 or $9997 anyone interested?

If no one interested could someone post how they have done with AC?

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matreatza

17 years ago

Has anyone tested the CPA Arbitrage product ?

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toptones

17 years ago

I completed the AC course and consider it over-hyped and over-priced. To say I didn't learn some valuable info on CPA marketing would be untrue, but I do not believe that the results they promised were possible. They talked about 1 in 10 campaigns becoming nuggets. Well I think the truth is more like 1 in 100. And you have to work smart and hard and price bids higher than they initially implied to even compete.
Not recommended. Try one of the other courses like Gauher Chaudry

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Justin1

17 years ago

Yeh I got it, they really seemed like honest upfront guys, lots of content, but I just couldnt get the ppc going and was constantly worried about not breaking even, there were a lot of others in the same boat as me. Its a real shame, money down the drain for me really, it was super over hyped though.

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MAV923 17 years ago

I got it too...Over promised under delivered.
Lousy training, content ok, unfortunately I realized this to late to get a refund, by about a week.
I asked and was told "too late"
I have decided to boycott all of the AC pimpers, and there are a lot of them.
The "star" Anthony is offering to share his resources for $1500.00 a MONTH (programmers, lawyer, whatever).
Since I "lost" my money I go into the forums and check whats happening, I think Anthony is the only one making any money.
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- 2Quick 17 years ago
  
  This course was an Absolute Joke! I dare anyone to tell me otherwise or dispute this! First off, we were only a couple weeks into this Mess and I emailed them to tell them, they needed to go back and read their own sales page a time or two and get with it.
  These guys were experts making six figures daily! Surely they had a system in place that allowed for such earnings, and that they could teach this to anyone. And this is what the sales page expressed.
  
  The guy who did the teaching mostly, Emmanuel, was terrible and needed to be replaced, he clicked around the screen so fast, that you could not tell what the heck he was clicking on.
  
  Someone mentioned Anthony, the Star, here! Now this is Real funny for me! These idiots told us straight up, that Anthony had spent 50K on his campaigns! How many people do you know, who are looking to earn some extra income or at least enough to replace their current employment can go and spend money like that?
  
  Anthony said, in a message to the leaders, that he had so slow down or stop his campaigns until he got some money back from the CPA networks. He had charged thousands on Credit Cards.
  
  He also said, he was working 20 hours per day nonstop, six days a week, cranking out 30 campaigns or more daily.
  
  This is the funny part, as if that already was not enough. These guys told us that Anthony "Gets it" and is going full throttle at this making sure to succeed. Now, we are only in week 2 when this is all happening and all the talk is about his success.
  
  They begin to tell us in week 2, that we should be out there cranking campaigns, testing the waters. LOL Week 2 of a 12 week course! Not once did they ever provide anyone else who was succeeding. Never!
  
  But.....they kept mentioning each week, "keep all those testimonials coming in people, we enjoy reading them". How funny is that, or should I say SAD.
  
  Get this, I quickly joined a Facebook group for Arbitrage Conspiracy members in the first week or so, and there ended up being about 40 of us. Not one of the members in our group had success. All of us were struggling!
  
  I could go on and on, but I think you all get the point. It was very sad to see that they were going to open this up again right after we finished the course.
  
  More suckers to be had it seems!
  
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- Graphix Guru 17 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by MAV923
  
  I got it too...Over promised under delivered.
  I have decided to boycott all of the AC pimpers, and there are a lot of them.
  
  Once I quit (fortunately in time to get my money back -- phew) I decided that I would NEVER AGAIN trust one of these mother f... ah, excuse me... ahem... *gentlemen*. I even set up a special filter on my email to take anything from Brad Fallon, Tellman Knudson, Eben Pagan, Russell Brunson (whom I otherwise have a modicum of respect for), Mike Filsaime (ditto for Mike) and the lot of them and DUMP IT into a Junk Folder.
  
  Even though I did get my money back, I was *thoroughly pissed* and still am. I believe the fact I asked for a refund while the course was still going is THE ONLY reason I got it. It appears now that they aren't (and haven't been) honoring the guarantee. They couldn't afford even more bad press while the course was still ongoing, though.
  
  I suspect the rate of refund in the early days was very, very high and they couldn't afford to lose even more already skittish customers. I mean, I don't expect MUCH from the IM crowd. Most of 'em are rank amateurs when it comes to presenting information in a professional way. But the AC stuph was such TOTAL GARBAGE that I couldn't stomach the idea of watching anymore of it. It reeked of bad cheese from the very beginning, and I've reached the point in life where if I smell the reek in the beginning, I'm not going to stay around until the end...
  
  Further, I have a rule I try to live by: don't waste my money, but most important of all, DON'T WASTE MY MOTHER F.... ER, GOSH DARNED TIME!
  
  After all, money can be replaced, but time can't.
  
  Speaking of time, if I had the luxury of it, I'd start up a site called The Arbitrate Conspiracy Exposed and show all these turds for who and what they really are. To wit: pimps who just want a piece of the JV pie. They're not concerned about who gets hurt so long as they get their fat affiliate checks. Shame, shame, shame!
  
  To his credit, Jerry West was warning against the course from day one. There are many, many folks wishing they'd listened, present company not excepted.
  
  Live and learn.
  
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MAV923

17 years ago

AC update.

I just got a PM from someone else on AC forum, she wanted to know if I went with the "Anthony deal" I told her it was too much money for me.
It appears she went with the deal and is having serious regrets now.
She researched him after buying and found some iffy information, along the line of him not being who he says he is....
I am amazed at the garbage some of these "gurus" promote. All I can say is they must have gotten a different program from what I got.

I regret not using the Warrior forum sooner i could have saved some serious money by looking around here first, but I still learned something for AC.
Big name gurus cant be trusted anymore than anyone else, especially the higher the price/commission they stand to make.

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2Quick

17 years ago

Not only did they get lots of money from us initially, but they also had us feeling that we needed to have Speed PPC, SpyFu, StatsJunky and a few other items/software to help us succeed.
Read the sales letter or page from these Scammers, then here from those like me, that they told us straight up in the video lessons, that we might have a hundred or more campaigns going with no profits or profitable ones and that sometimes you have to go through 300 campaigns to find that one Golden Nugget.
None of this is mentioned of course in the sales material! Emmanuel kept saying that he started with a credit card and $500 worth of credit to work with. Now how can you have ten, fifty or more campaigns that are losers and not rack up huge expenses in adwords?

When people complained that they were not seeing any good results following everything to the letter, we were told to keep cranking and that it takes many campaigns to find the golden ones.

Nobody needs $2000 worth of training to accomplish this!

Jeff

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homejobcreator

17 years ago

I totally agree with Jeff. There should be some legal clause for internet products that don't deliver - apart from the 30 days refund period, cause often you don't know until the course is finished if it was worth it or not. Something like, if 60% of the students found the product substandard quality, the company has to refund.

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Graphix Guru

17 years ago

Originally Posted by homejobcreator

There should be some legal clause for internet products that don't deliver - apart from the 30 days refund period, cause often you don't know until the course is finished if it was worth it or not.

You hit the nail right on the head, my friend. That is exactly the ugly point. These jerkwads know that by the time you figure out that you're screwed, it's too late. They also know that 90% of the people who fail after spending a lot of time and money on a product just quietly slink away into shame, ignominy and self-loathing -- as if their failure was their fault.

I've said this before about AC but I believe it's true about any of these high-priced "how to" courses. If the so-called g-u-r-u tells me everything I need to succeed is in the course, and I find out that this is not true, then by definition it is a bad course!

The "AC Boys" (may they run into a group of disgruntled customers who recognize them in a bar someday) knew very cynically what they were doing, and their co-conspirators (pun intended) -- the "g-u-r-u-s" who pimped the course for them -- should all be indicted and convicted under RICO.

I bet there are plenty of empty cells next to Madoff...

I know, I know. I can hear it now. "But the AC Boys are up in Canada!" Well, to this I say: ever hear of "foreign rendition?" I'm no big fan of extra-Constitutional illegal-under-international-law-and-treaty activities of U.S. spook agencies, but I'd make an exception for "Ayman" and "Emmanuel."

Gitmo would be too good for them. My vote is for torture in Albania. What total dirtbags...

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Justin1

17 years ago

Jeez AC getting a bad rap in here, you know the info provided will make you very wealthy, but most people will just cancel and not try anything through, there is a lot of value for money with the program and it teaches a lot of stuff. Truth is no one can give u a golden bullet that will just make money, u still have to do the work and stick at it. I bought the course and didnt want a refund as it provided great value for money and a lot of nuggets of information that will help in years to come.

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Jeff Noel

17 years ago

There was some good information however the teaching just sucked and was very disorgainized. When question where asked during webinars the reply from Emmanuel would be "we covered that in the course" but what most people wanted was a little clarification. There were suppose to be a lot of bonuses which were not fullfilled. The forums are under some sort of qustopo type of moderation. The thing that pissed me off the most was their promise of we are going to teach you A-Z. Maybe their language doesn't have all the same letters as the english. Finally for 2g's I should be able to download the course.

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Chris Keith

17 years ago

Honestly I thought I was going to go nuts if I heard "crank, crank, crank..." one more time!

Overall, a very disappointing course... I agree with justin's post above, however, the promises were obviously a little big for the info this course delivered. Ive definitely seen better, cheaper courses.

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apollocreed

17 years ago

What is unfortunate is that the gurus who were singing praises for this product are free do do it all again and again.

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SolarFelineAU 17 years ago

My sympathies are with the people who have paid hard-earned money for this course, and that the course delivery and teaching methods sucked and did not live up to participant's expectations.

Another expensive course to avoid. Thankyou to everyone who posted your experiences. Gosh, there is quite a lot of s**t out there, isn't there? :confused:

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- Jeff Noel 17 years ago
  
  Although most of the people that helped to promote this product I removed from my e-mail list. The one that I bought through actually sent me way more bonuses in the $1000's then he offered in his promotion e-mail. Naturally he didn't say sorry for promoting such a bad product, but I think he realized just how bad AC was and to keep his list gave up more value then the AC program was worth. So I have a lot of respect for him.
  
  I don't think your going to see a lot of these marketers promoting it when it relaunches. I have a feeling that they have read all the threads on AC and will have to decide whether or not to put their reputations on the line once again.
  
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Amber Jalink

17 years ago

Mind me asking who the guys were who created this program? I can't remember off the top of my head, but obviously want to be alert to it in future. (No, I didn't buy)

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Zach Booker

17 years ago

I'm not saying that the course itself wasn't bad. I'm sure it was by the sounds of it.

But before you go off on all the g.uru's here's one point to consider.

Not all the "g.uru's" were "in on this".

You all signed up because the concept looked awesome, right?

Well some of the promoters, who were not involved with the making of the product, thought the concept was great and thought his or her's list would love it and at the same time the promoter could make a little cash.

No one knew the course would end up being terrible(Not even the initial group who made it), and i'm sure some of the promoters feel bad that so many people are dissapointed.

The "g.uru's" aren't all out to get you, they don't have a secret clan where they discuss how to rip you off whenever they can, and they don't constantly try and take your money.

They're a group of people who are held to the highest standard and when they don't meet that standard they are harshly criticized.

Zach

P.S- Some of the "gur.u's" (I hate using that word) were in on this, and they did not try and make the program work when they saw it going downhill. For that they should be criticized.

But I don't believe people like Eben Pagan were in on this, they were just asked to promote it. And people like Eben's thought process would be probably something like this: "Well all these guys are doing it so it'll be high quality, so I guess my list should like it and appreciate me telling them about it."

Guys like Eben make millions online each year, do you think making an extra 100 grand promoting this is gonna make a huge difference? Of course not.

If they would have known it'd hurt their reputation than of course they wouldn't have promoted it.

Just keep this in mind...

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Jeff Noel 17 years ago

My thinking is that if you are going to promote a product that cost 2g's to your customers you should at least know that there is very high quality.

If the guru's didn't review this course before they put their name behind it then that is their reputation that is on the line. So there for they will face the repercussions of their actions.

This was a course that was created on a weekly basis, each week new videos came out and new webnairs were done. If it was my name and reputation on the line I would have contacted other affilates that were involved in promoting AC and made a strong point that AC is not standing by their promises. As a group then contacted the AC boys and say that you better step up to the plate and start producing a better product.

Maybe my ethic's and standards are just to high and I am misunderstanding the concept of "Deliver more value then you ask for!"
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SaSeoPete

17 years ago

I am not surprised it didn't work. People are dying to find out the big "CPA secret" that will help make thousands of dollars while they sleep. Here is the truth - build a frikin landing page and send traffic to it. Easy as that. If you are making any money at all online, then you can make money with CPA. Stop spending your money on 2 grand courses and use some common sense.

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Zach Booker

17 years ago

Originally Posted by SaSeoPete

I am not surprised it didn't work. People are dying to find out the big "CPA secret" that will help make thousands of dollars while they sleep. Here is the truth - build a frikin landing page and send traffic to it. Easy as that. If you are making any money at all online, then you can make money with CPA. Stop spending your money on 2 grand courses and use some common sense.

Yeah exactly, I wrote a long post about this yesterday and got no replies to it. Not too surprising though.

It's actually as easy as you said except you gotta track on a keyword basis and once you get some profit scale and add PPV to your portfolio etc

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SaSeoPete

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Zach Booker

Yeah exactly, I wrote a long post about this yesterday and got no replies to it. Not too surprising though.

It's actually as easy as you said except you gotta track on a keyword basis and once you get some profit scale and add PPV to your portfolio etc

Too right. Offering some one something "for free" is far easier than a $30 IMO. Of course scaling up etc. is important, but thats marketing 101, that you can learn for free here on the WF.

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Zach Booker

17 years ago

Don't even know how people are making a killin' with Clickbank products. Sales pages suck + you get 75% or less commission.

Crazy that more people aren't doing CPA.

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BrandonLee 17 years ago

I think that from a business point of view, in a syndicated market such as Internet Marketing, your JV's and your affiliates are your most important customers, period.

This should work two ways. First of all as a vendor you shouldn't make a product that makes your JV/affiliates look like jerk's for promoting it. However, as a list owner who also is/wants to be in the network, you have to consider your opportunity cost. What's it worth to tick off your list, vs not to play along with the group.

It just becomes a business choice that people have to make. It's not a realization that all of us as customers probably want to hear, but it's true never the less.
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17 years ago

Originally Posted by JoyPackard

I did invest in this course. Although I'm still not an expert, it did open my eyes to the world of internet marketing, and that I thank them for. I was also able to get on with some of the CPA networks because I was associated with AC, so again, that was great.

You know, Joy, this is the way I looked at it. Sure, I could have learned about CPA marketing without paying 2k. But, I took it upon myself to make this work.

Yeah, the course could have been better, I'll agree on that. But, at the same time, they did have some good info in there. That's the way most internet marketing courses are, they will have at least some piece of information that will make you some money. The whole key here is applying yourself and testing things to see what works and what doesn't. I made a commitment to myself to make this work. And, I have. It is a great feeling to log into my CPA networks and seeing those conversions steadily rising every month.

On a side note, I got this e-mail the other day:

It’s Aymen here with a VERY urgent message…

In case you haven’t heard…

The Rumors Are TRUE.

YES – the Arbitrage Conspiracy will be re-launching within the next 30 days…

YES – the program is going to be “beefed up” significantly… all new training videos… powerful bonus content… and so much more…

YES – there will be a new contest where one person will be selected to become the “next Arbitrage Millionaire” and coached personally in their pursuit of building a seven-figure Arbitrage business…

Yet There’s One Thing
You Probably Haven’t Heard.

Unlike most programs that charge you for every update… make you pay for every “2.0 version”… and often make you cough up a monthly charge just to stay in the program…

Your price will for this upgraded version of Arbitrage will be NOTHING.

I mean it: Nada. Zip… zilch… zero.

It’s all totally free.

Just our way of saying “thank you” for taking the leap to join us as a member of the Arbitrage Conspiracy… and remaining a loyal member.
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I'm really looking forward to this, for I hope it will be more thought out than the first version.

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Lance K 17 years ago

Sounds like it's a good thing (for them) that they quickly changed the wording of their original guarantee before too many people signed up.

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17 years ago

my review - don't do it. invest the money in a campaign.

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Justin1

17 years ago

Since when do all the Goobers not push every piece of crap they find on you???? Franky baby (as much as I like him) sells any shit that comes around, as does Filsame, Tellman, all of them sell the same stuff basically, they are all just used car salesmen, at least AC had a large amount of content, I agree with the guy that said it should be downloadable, I downloaded the first half until they used some hardcore security that I couldnt find a way to download! However, you can always capture the video live on the screen.
They should have shipped us dvds of it as a parting gift....
LOL, so why does it rewrite it as goober? pretty funny

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TheMole

17 years ago

They were going to beautify the site and launch version 2. What happened?

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MAV923 17 years ago

Originally Posted by TheMole

They were going to beautify the site and launch version 2. What happened?

I got an email on July 22nd saying it will be relaunched within 30 days, and they are looking for recommendations!!! I suppose they will find someone to say they made lots of money, if they offer enough of a bribe.
BTW I heard a rumor that Anthony their big money maker is questionable, and according to my source Aymen was told about him, and decided to ignore the information....
If true AC is really bad news for the IM industry, maybe the FTC or whatever the equivalent in Canada will have a nice chat with them.
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17 years ago

I'm guessing that no one was willing to promote more crap and spoil their reputation. Thanks fellow warriors for bringing this all to our attention. I got sucked into the toiletbowl dreams of Aymen and his merry band of idiots with ADD - I'm sure that there was something to this course but after the guru's did their used car salesman dance - the hype entered the stratosphere and poor 'ol Aymen simply could not deliver... I'm guessing that the 20 year olds just panicked. Think about it.. here they were puttin up a walled garden and trying to teach something that they have no system or process for in the first place!

This was a fine experiment in throwning money into the wind
course cost: $2000
tools: $2200 thus far plus ongoing monthly membership costs
Adwords: $8000 (if you followed the instructions and cranked, cranked cranked)

net profit... ?

umm... hang on....

Revenue generated?

ummm... wait for it!

DID WE EARN MONEY?

Well, one CPA network company did pay us $445 USD
and as soon as we hit the target payout amount for another network.. we will get a check for a whopping $100

wow!

I WANT A REFUND... are you listening Aymen?
By the way... Brad Fallon of Stompernet, you got me into this mess
now show us that you still stand behind your reputation and company and honor your mistakes by giving all that want one a full refund - you know that Aymen and Co. did not deliver. Yet you just let it happen.... Your own staff member Jerry West warned us all... why did you not listen and more importantly, WHY DID WE TRUST YOU BRAD? You just destroyed your reputation... bammm!

I mean, can we trust guys like you anymore?
Is that the kind of quality Stompernet stands for these days?

No wonder Jerry West, Leslie Rhode and Dan Theis. were so upset... they knew what was behind curtain number 1 and Brad pushed this out anyway!

shame on you Stompernet

Hey Andy Jenkins.... you listenin'?

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elliec

17 years ago

I too bought and refunded at the beginning of week 3. What a load of rubbish. Can't add anymore to what has been written but I too have unsubscribed from lists related to Brad Fallon, Mike Filsaime ( who had the big Las Vegas bro ha ha for these turkeys don't forget) Michael Cheney and Russell Brunson. None of them stepped up and said "whoops..this is a dud folks, get out while you can and I apologize for sending all the hype your way". Guess they don't really know what they are promoting do they? A lesson for all of us. Know your product before you promote!

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BrandonLee

17 years ago

This won't make me very popular I'm sure, and if I was smart I would not post it at all. Here it is though, as much as we, the product buyers don't want to hear this: We are not the important customer. Period, end of story, we are not.
I manage a lot of launches in the Forex and investing niche, and my number one priority is always to take care of my JV's and affiliates? Why? Because my very best customer might spend $10,000 with me, my very best JV might send me $1million worth of business. Who do you think is most important to me?
Now, does that mean I'm going to let my client put out a crap product, no, in fact I realize that putting out a crap product damages the relationships my JV's have with their list, just like you mentioned unsubscribing from all of the guys above's lists..and unless I make them a horseload of money, they are not going to forgive me for that. So, I do have an obligation to make my JV's look good for sending you to me..but, as a buyer, never ever forget that your not the most important part of this business.

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I too bought and refunded at the beginning of week 3. What a load of rubbish. Can't add anymore to what has been written but I too have unsubscribed from lists related to Brad Fallon, Mike Filsaime ( who had the big Las Vegas bro ha ha for these turkeys don't forget) Michael Cheney and Russell Brunson. None of them stepped up and said "whoops..this is a dud folks, get out while you can and I apologize for sending all the hype your way". Guess they don't really know what they are promoting do they? A lesson for all of us. Know your product before you promote!

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Lance K 17 years ago

Customers are the most important part of ANY business. Without them, there isn't a business. And repeat customers are worth WAY more than one time purchasers.
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- BrandonLee 17 years ago
  
  Who are your customers? I tend to think of my JV's as mine, and I think that's a big difference between the guys who make a little, and those who make hundreds of thousands to millions.
  I never said the actual customer is not important, in fact I think that a huge part of my obligation to my JV's is to take care of the people they send me, to make them look good. The best way to do that is to care about the customer, but in the end, my JV's and affiliates are my customers, they drive my business.
  Every person that ever buys from me, be it one time or 100, comes from them.
  
  Originally Posted by Lance K
  
  Customers are the most important part of ANY business. Without them, there isn't a business. And repeat customers are worth WAY more than one time purchasers.
  
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Ryce

17 years ago

This Sucks.......

Anyone tried the FTC or BBB?

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Justin1

17 years ago

I think it was a kickass program and really cool of them to include free upgrade to 2nd round of launch.

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Jeff Noel 17 years ago

It's good to see AC allowing it previous members the free upgrade. Hopefully they learned from their first launch all that was missing and fill in some gaps. As well I would like to see them address some of the changes in the PPC world.
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Nomad Warrior

17 years ago

wow! awesome... those of us that got nothing out of the nonsensical 'training' in v1 (the beta version) will now get to be exposed to more of nothing in the v2 'training'

I personally hope that the boys actually created a real course this time around rather than cramming on the fly (as they did for their Univ. exams)... otherwise, as my math prof used to say... 0 + 0 will always equal 0... I tried to explain that that is not true because we need to invest time as well... and thus 0 + 0 + out time is something that we will never get back so... here's to hoping that the learning is good this time around and that the "boys" from Canada / Egypt have learned their lesson

rock on

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chanetsa

15 years ago

Thanks everyone. Great comments.

I never saw version 2???

The web site is now gone - arbitrageconspiracy.com

When I opened this thread I was willing to concede that I got something for my $2k even though I thought the course was built on the fly and the marketing was way over hyped. Now I cannot even access what I paid for!

Time to move on...

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larkykid

15 years ago

Originally Posted by chanetsa

Thanks everyone. Great comments.

I never saw version 2???

The web site is now gone - arbitrageconspiracy.com

When I opened this thread I was willing to concede that I got something for my $2k even though I thought the course was built on the fly and the marketing was way over hyped. Now I cannot even access what I paid for!

Time to move on...

Lol, yep on to the next big thing! although a little bit belatedly...

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psresearch

15 years ago

Originally Posted by chanetsa

Thanks everyone. Great comments.

I never saw version 2???

The web site is now gone - arbitrageconspiracy.com

When I opened this thread I was willing to concede that I got something for my $2k even though I thought the course was built on the fly and the marketing was way over hyped. Now I cannot even access what I paid for!

Time to move on...

Really? You can't even access the content anymore? Was that the original plan that buyers were told would happen? If not, then that's a BIG problem.

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chanetsa

14 years ago

Nope. The web site has gone.

For what it's worth, I believe that most of these self proclaimed "internet guru's" are only out for the short-term profit. Those JV partners that promote them so hard lose credibility too. Do you remember the hype around this launch? All the guru's in Vegas. What a load of BS.

In an immature industry with so much competition, someone will emerge that is ethical, customer focused and genuinely interested in helping others to build legitimate long-term businesses.

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Cisco

13 years ago

They already have: Mark Ling, James Schramko, Jeff Johnson, Frank Kern....

Originally Posted by chanetsa

Nope. The web site has gone.

For what it's worth, I believe that most of these self proclaimed "internet guru's" are only out for the short-term profit. Those JV partners that promote them so hard lose credibility too. Do you remember the hype around this launch? All the guru's in Vegas. What a load of BS.

In an immature industry with so much competition, someone will emerge that is ethical, customer focused and genuinely interested in helping others to build legitimate long-term businesses.

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