Anyone outsourcing to the Philippines?

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With the popularity of John Jonas' ReplaceMyself.com, I'd like to know if anyone is having success outsourcing internet marketing tasks to the Philippines.

Are you having success? What tasks is your VA doing?
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  • Profile picture of the author birddog200
    I am glad you posted this, as I have been looking

    for the same info. I hope this thread gets strong because

    I have a lot of ideas for outsourcing, and need to know the

    best place to outsource to.

    Thanks, Birddog
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewHansen
      It's like saying:

      Who's outsourcing to India?

      Who's outsourcing to the US?

      You can't possibly summarize the performance of a whole country at outsourcing. You can find good and bad outsourcers from any country.

      That said, I've worked a lot with Filipinos and I can tell you...

      As a general rule, it's not hard to find people with good english from PI, since the country has the highest percentage of english speakers of any asian country. So if you need writers, it's not a bad place to start.

      The outsourcing industry is huge there and employs a large percentage of the workforce so it's not hard to find people with experience in working on remote arrangements.

      And because their currency is hugely undervalued relative to the dollar, you can get them for great prices.

      It's up to the processes of your own business to locate the ones with highest skill levels, best work ethic and so on, but like many third world countries, this also isn't hard because there is great desperation for income, so people will work hard to get jobs and harder to keep them.

      I hope this helps.

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  • Profile picture of the author Beachedfish
    Hey Guys,
    I am planning a trip there in the next month or so to see about setting up an outsourcing company for my clients and I. I would be glad to keep you updated or trade any information. Just PM me.

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    • Profile picture of the author cscarpero
      I've had a few things done by Filipinos:

      blog building
      graphic design
      accounting
      video production

      I'm in the process now of hiring backlink building through Filipinos as well.

      I use Odesk almost exclusively to find them. There have been issues here and there, but overall I'm pleased. I pay between $2-4/hr.

      They do speak English very well. I could post the transcript here of my conversations and tell you that and American wrote it and you would believe it. It's that good!

      By the way, I just found this and it would probably help. It's only $19.95 for the online course.

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    • Profile picture of the author Lothar Evers
      Originally Posted by Marx Melencio View Post

      I'm from the Philippines, and here's an important key element you shouldn't miss:

      --- we've been absorbing external cultures, one after the other, for the last 400 years. Period.

      This means we can learn to speak any language and know where you're coming from anywhere in the world even when we haven't been there before.

      I believe a Filipino in general will know the culture of your country just by reading something about it on Wikipedia.
      Would this include German?
      More and more I get the impression that we are so much behind the English speaking world in Internetmarketiing is a result that it is much more difficult to outsource. (not only to the Philippines).
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      • Profile picture of the author Marx Melencio
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        • Profile picture of the author Lothar Evers
          Originally Posted by Marx Melencio View Post

          I believe so (took 12 units of German as a foreign language elective back in college - '99 I think).

          Our professor in that class became one of my good friends. Unfortunately, he died in '01, and I fondly remember just how much he seemed to have fully immersed himself in German culture (an advantage perhaps was his 2-year post graduate stint at a university there as a student plus a 10-year academe job in Munich).

          For one thing, he convinced me along with my college buddies that beer is just liquid bread and nothing else, so it was healthy to drink beer during lunch and dinner, which we did while we hung out with him during lunch and after classes (he lived within the campus in a home given by the University of the Philippines to his family).

          Drinking beer or any alcoholic beverage at noon or everyday isn't culturally accepted here, more so if it's done by university students and their professors during weekdays, and I don't think it's culturally accepted in Germany too, but nonetheless, that may just be part of the culture our professor absorbed while he was in Germany or even from the time he started to have an interest in German culture.
          Sounds great! And a vivid story! I imagine the shock this tasting of "liquid bread" must have been. While it is culturally accepted not to many people here drink at noon.
          If I step ahead with my outsourcing ideas I certainly will come back und use your knowledge of German and your Home Country.
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      • Profile picture of the author guzzi333
        I outsourced the design of a logo to the Philippines. For just $150 I got a beautiful designed logo
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  • Profile picture of the author kckaz
    I've hired a couple. The work ethic has been quite low, but I'm paying $2.00/hr, so I can't complain too much. From my experience, you have to be on top of things or 2-3 days go by and nothing is done. I started paying based on time sheets presented to me rather than a set monthly fee. That way, you can see how much time is being spent for different projects. I notice that it takes 3-4x longer than it'd take me for a lot of things, but even if I can do in an hour what they can do in four, it's still worth it. And, some people strike gold with $2-4/hr workers more knowledgeable and efficient then they are.
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  • Profile picture of the author J. Barry Mandel
    Tons of people are having success outsourcing to the Phillipines...

    My VA performs all kinds of tasks for me like website design, blog creation, FTPing ZIP files, programming etc. While I was at the Continuity Summit last weekend while I was networking he was even immediately sending emails to people who I met "BAM" right on the spot

    At this point simply put I would never work without a VA ever again.

    If anyone is looking for a VA or writer I have helped connect 4 other warriors up until this point with part-time or full-time help so feel free to PM me for more info.
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    • Profile picture of the author gffore
      I'm looking for a good Philippines VA. Please PM me.

      Originally Posted by Justin Mandel View Post

      Tons of people are having success outsourcing to the Phillipines...

      My VA performs all kinds of tasks for me like website design, blog creation, FTPing ZIP files, programming etc. While I was at the Continuity Summit last weekend while I was networking he was even immediately sending emails to people who I met "BAM" right on the spot

      At this point simply put I would never work without a VA ever again.

      If anyone is looking for a VA or writer I have helped connect 4 other warriors up until this point with part-time or full-time help so feel free to PM me for more info.
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  • Profile picture of the author Obama
    I have been to the Philippines about ten times and I know people from there abroad but I never outsourced from there (but I will).
    So my 2 cents is generally speaking they are honest, cheap, have good (not great) English; they are particularly good at design. And odesk seems to have crews of link builders from there. For admin tasks you will get great value.
    But as they say, hire fast, fire faster.
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      • Profile picture of the author mu123
        I agree with you . I am working with some of group A right now. But he is managing group B people. So it is very hard
        Originally Posted by Marx Melencio View Post

        Speaking from 29 years of real-life experience in Manila:

        --- most (not all or some or a few but most) "B", "C", "D" and "E" crowds here (the general population) are to a certain extent dishonest (they'll most likely rob you or exploit your financial capabilities once given the chance)...

        ...don't have "great" or even "good" English...

        ...cheap (yes and will sometimes even work for food)...

        ...don't have "good" clerical "administrative" skills, and...

        ...don't even have business sense, character attitude and "personality" humor.

        I'm not talking about social or financial status when referring to "A", "B", "C", "D" and "E" crowds here ---

        --- I'm referring to mindset and thinking patterns (psychographs if you may).

        That's why I'm saying people looking to outsource Internet marketing tasks or any job to Filipinos should hire exceptional Filipinos. Period.

        Exceptional Filipinos, the "A" crowd, have the qualities I mentioned on my previous post on this thread.

        They will run your business like you would manage it on your own or maybe even better, make accurate and timely decisions all for the good of your business, do anything or everything it takes just to get the job done, and if your business gets hit by a financial crisis or an economic disaster, they'll rebuild it from the ground up: no questions asked.

        You won't have the need to fire them --- they'll leave on their own once they decide to do so, but they'll provide you with the highest value while they're with you.

        They know their real value. You can't pay them ridiculous amounts of money and not throw ridiculous amounts of challenges and rewards at them --- they'll leave you once you stop giving them challenges and rewards.

        Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author salonmar
      All of this outsourcing stuff is new to me. However, a couple of people mention odesk, what is that?... can you explain? And how does a person find someone in the Philippines or any other place for help?
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  • Profile picture of the author arcdigital
    Originally Posted by lbwardellsr View Post

    I've tried outsourcing to the Philippines with bad results
    Do you have any more info on what happened, so we don't make the same mistake?

    Has anyone had trust issues, especially with a VA?
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  • Profile picture of the author MAV923
    I have worked in the computer field for 13 years and am just starting in IM, I havent done any outsourcing yet. But...

    My first computer job the owner of the company raved about the philippinos he had working for him, he said they worked cheaply, never asked for a raise and were excellent workers.

    There was one guy who worked the night shift, his english wasnt very good, the first time I called him he answered and said "nobody here call back in morning" I found out later that was about the only englisg phrase he knew.

    From my experience they did work hard, and never complained, that I saw...as far as money I wasnt involved in that aspect.

    So when the time comes I will give them a go..
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  • Profile picture of the author secretssovaluable
    Wow...compared to the bad experiences I have had with Indians and Pakistanis Philippinos are fantastic. I have used Philippino outsourcers a couple of times now and have had excellent luck. Of course there are good and bad from every country.

    My experience is that philippinos have very good work ethic and are hard working decent and moral people. That is more than I can say for the multiple bad experiences I have had with indians and pakistanis.

    The company I work for also recently outsourced inbound customer service calls to the phillipines too.

    It goes without mentioning (but i'll mention it anyway) ask for verifyable references. Don't be impatient. Make sure their experience is with projects similar to your own. Make no exceptions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Technologize
      Excellent thread. I'm looking to hire a part time 25 hour a week Phillipino Article Writer / Online Content Producer....

      Any ideas on the best place to find them?

      Thanks!

      Anthony.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dana Forsythe
    I use an SEO company over there and they're awesome. They assigned a little gal to me who promotes everything I want. Building blogs, twitter, submitting articles, bookmarking.. ect. The work ethic is fantastic as well! She asks me all the time if i'm happy with the services. For the price you can't beat it especially since I doubled my sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author mustard76
      Originally Posted by mrsforex View Post

      I use an SEO company over there and they're awesome.
      Please PM me the name of the company you used.
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      • Profile picture of the author fosu
        Can you please send me te info of that company.

        Thnaks
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    • Profile picture of the author Andy Immotna
      Originally Posted by mrsforex View Post

      I use an SEO company over there and they're awesome. They assigned a little gal to me who promotes everything I want. Building blogs, twitter, submitting articles, bookmarking.. ect. The work ethic is fantastic as well! She asks me all the time if i'm happy with the services. For the price you can't beat it especially since I doubled my sales.
      May I know the company you used? or website? Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
        Originally Posted by ImmotnaMarketing View Post

        May I know the company you used? or website? Thanks!
        Hey, we are from Philippines too and Danna (mrsforex) is our customer for our fulltime staff service and our outsourcing membership site.
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        • Profile picture of the author fosu
          Originally Posted by edpudol1973 View Post

          Hey, we are from Philippines too and Danna (mrsforex) is our customer for our fulltime staff service and our outsourcing membership site.
          I need to outsource a part-time content writter for my blog, any chance to send more info about the comapny.

          Thanks
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          • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
            Originally Posted by fosu View Post

            I need to outsource a part-time content writter for my blog, any chance to send more info about the comapny.

            Thanks
            right now all our writers are busy with volume orders from our customers and I guess our load will take 1 full month for us to complete them all. Unless we find qualified writer to be part of our writer team.

            Our company is base in Bataan, Philippines. We are providing outsourcing service since late 2005. Our company name lexor computer online, and we own Outsourcing Services , Lexorsoft.net - Outsourcing Solution, and recently a Canadian company partner with us and now starting this site Outsourcing Services in the Philippines

            We are more experience in providing SEO type of service, designing, and coding.

            With our fulltime staff service, the staff are all well trained to do SEO related jobs.... That is the one Danna (mrsforex) acquired from us, we assign a fulltime staff to her and work 8 hours a day , 6 days week for her. The staff assign to her do all the necessary SEO works for her like link buildings, and analyzing the keywords and site of mrsforex. She is also an active member of Lexorsoft.net - Outsourcing Solution for other jobs that she needed to be completed beside the service of her VA.
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            • Profile picture of the author Chad Eljisr
              Originally Posted by edpudol1973 View Post

              right now all our writers are busy with volume orders from our customers and I guess our load will take 1 full month for us to complete them all. Unless we find qualified writer to be part of our writer team.

              Our company is base in Bataan, Philippines. We are providing outsourcing service since late 2005. Our company name lexor computer online, and we own Outsourcing Services , Lexorsoft.net - Outsourcing Solution, and recently a Canadian company partner with us and now starting this site Outsourcing Services in the Philippines

              We are more experience in providing SEO type of service, designing, and coding.

              With our fulltime staff service, the staff are all well trained to do SEO related jobs.... That is the one Danna (mrsforex) acquired from us, we assign a fulltime staff to her and work 8 hours a day , 6 days week for her. The staff assign to her do all the necessary SEO works for her like link buildings, and analyzing the keywords and site of mrsforex. She is also an active member of Lexorsoft.net - Outsourcing Solution for other jobs that she needed to be completed beside the service of her VA.
              How much would cost a VA doing the same stuff as you have described? I am really interested to hire one. Thanks.
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              • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
                Originally Posted by Chad Eljisr View Post

                How much would cost a VA doing the same stuff as you have described? I am really interested to hire one. Thanks.
                We are charging our customer for fulltime SEO VA for as low as $600 a month. The staff will work 8 hours a day 6 days a week for you. They are all well trained to do SEM. If you have new technique to implement that they are not familiar with, all staff are easy to train.
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    • Profile picture of the author alfredjsmith
      Originally Posted by mrsforex View Post

      I use an SEO company over there and they're awesome. They assigned a little gal to me who promotes everything I want. Building blogs, twitter, submitting articles, bookmarking.. ect. The work ethic is fantastic as well! She asks me all the time if i'm happy with the services. For the price you can't beat it especially since I doubled my sales.
      Hi Mrsforex

      Please can you PM me the name of the company you use (i would PM you, but I'm new, so have to post more to be able to do so.)

      Thanks

      Alf
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      • Profile picture of the author sherecommends
        Originally Posted by alfredjsmith View Post

        Hi Mrsforex

        Please can you PM me the name of the company you use (i would PM you, but I'm new, so have to post more to be able to do so.)

        Thanks

        Alf
        I too would love to know who you use ... your comments were very convincing ... would you email me. I am new to warrior so I don't the necessary creds to email you.

        Thanking you in advance,
        Brenda
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    • Profile picture of the author matt2000
      MrsForex,

      I too am new and can't send PM. But would greatly appreciate the name of the SEO company you use in the Philippines.

      Also if anyone else has a good suggestion I would apprewcaite that too. The more referrals the better.

      Thank you in advance.
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    • Profile picture of the author fypnlp
      Originally Posted by mrsforex View Post

      I use an SEO company over there and they're awesome. They assigned a little gal to me who promotes everything I want. Building blogs, twitter, submitting articles, bookmarking.. ect. The work ethic is fantastic as well! She asks me all the time if i'm happy with the services. For the price you can't beat it especially since I doubled my sales.
      This is my first post this conversation is a god send because I've just spent the last couple of days trying to find a good, efficient, reliable outsourcing company in the philippines. Ms forex (i tried to message you privately but couldn't) and anyone else who can help; I would love get some recommendations and tips I need to know when outsourcing.

      thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author oryan58
      MrsForex.
      I would appreciate a PM with your infor who you go through.
      Thanks so much
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    • Profile picture of the author mailcold
      Originally Posted by mrsforex View Post

      I use an SEO company over there and they're awesome. They assigned a little gal to me who promotes everything I want. Building blogs, twitter, submitting articles, bookmarking.. ect. The work ethic is fantastic as well! She asks me all the time if i'm happy with the services. For the price you can't beat it especially since I doubled my sales.
      I am also looking at outsourcing some of my SEO work. It would be nice if you can PM me the contact information for the SEO company you dealt with.
      Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Jayson L
      what kind of work do you have her do? Backlinking, keyword research etc.. I would be interested in learning more if you don't mind.
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    • Profile picture of the author dlnunez
      Originally Posted by mrsforex View Post

      I use an SEO company over there and they're awesome. They assigned a little gal to me who promotes everything I want. Building blogs, twitter, submitting articles, bookmarking.. ect. The work ethic is fantastic as well! She asks me all the time if i'm happy with the services. For the price you can't beat it especially since I doubled my sales.

      How did you find her or the SEO company? Also, does she have a sister?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
        Originally Posted by dlnunez View Post

        How did you find her or the SEO company? Also, does she have a sister?
        Or Two Sisters, good help can always be used.

        Not to change this thread, but I got a curiosity question - I do a bit of outsourcing (and a lot of studying and understanding it), In the process I create training videos often for my outsource employees. Now I dont consider my online business work, it is all play to me , however the first month training my first oursource employee was hands down the hardest month I have worked in the last few years.

        What do you think the interest would be in a membership site to train other peoples outsource employee?
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        • Profile picture of the author mustard76
          Originally Posted by Mukul Verma View Post

          What do you think the interest would be in a membership site to train other peoples outsource employee?
          This is exactly what replacemyself.com is all about. But, I didn't find the replacemyself.com training materials very helpful because I have my own system.

          Also, you have to be competent at the method yourself before you can manage someone who is doing it for you. Buying a training video will help you train him, but it doesn't help you manage him. How will you know he is doing it right? How will you know if he is being productive? How will you answer his questions?

          You really have to understand the method and practice it yourself before you can manage someone else doing it - even if you buy training videos.
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    • Profile picture of the author mtopher
      MrsForex,

      Can you PM me the name of that SEO company in the Philippines?
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    • Profile picture of the author mflorin
      Hi, I would love to hear more about your Filipino SEO company you contract with. Thanks for any help you can provide.
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    • Profile picture of the author gffore
      Originally Posted by Dana Forsythe View Post

      I use an SEO company over there and they're awesome. They assigned a little gal to me who promotes everything I want. Building blogs, twitter, submitting articles, bookmarking.. ect. The work ethic is fantastic as well! She asks me all the time if i'm happy with the services. For the price you can't beat it especially since I doubled my sales.
      Can you PM the name of the company?
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    • Profile picture of the author webABCs
      Dana,

      Pls PM me the SEO company you use. As a retired Marine I use to be stationed in the PI so it will be good to get back to the good olde days.
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  • Profile picture of the author jeanmarie
    Jordan Hall told about the video and then I found out I had to pay $97 to get the jest of it. I paid Jordan $1500.00 and he won't give it back to me. He is a real scammer! I', probably not allowed to say that, but if someone else said it I woulldn't have lost $1500.

    Why isn't there a place on the internet that warns people about people like Jordan?
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  • Profile picture of the author tyler99
    I have several folks help from PH and have had great results. As long as you create decent instructions and manage the process, my overall experience with outsourcing has been excellent.
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    • Profile picture of the author Technologize
      Could someone comment or PM the best place(s) to find Phillipinos for full-time work?

      I'm on oDesk but everyone's project orientated and they're declining my work because they're too busy with other projects.

      I'm looking for a dedicated worker.

      Any suggestions appreciated!

      Cheers,

      Anthony.
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      • Profile picture of the author TomC123
        Originally Posted by anteck View Post

        Could someone comment or PM the best place(s) to find Phillipinos for full-time work?

        I'm on oDesk but everyone's project orientated and they're declining my work because they're too busy with other projects.

        I'm looking for a dedicated worker.

        Any suggestions appreciated!

        Cheers,

        Anthony.

        There are lots:

        Freelancer.com, scriptlance.com, limeexchange.com, elance.dom
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  • Profile picture of the author charlesmutrie
    I also believe the people from the Philippines are hard working. I have had the same impression as Sophia. I am sure there are some in all countries that do not fall in the hard working category but you must do your homework.

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  • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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    I kinda skimmed through this thread and thought I'd throw a little perspective on it. In a nutshell...be very careful of stereotyping by country or culture in this business. It's not smart and will backfire on you

    I've hired and worked with a good number of people from just about every developed country on the planet. I've had my share of successful relationships and my share of those that went sour.

    I would never say to anyone, "Go to the Philippines or stay away from India or whatever". That's ludicrous - not everyone in India drops the ball, nor has every freelancer in the Philippines come through perfectly.

    In my experience, it's no different in any one country or culture - you can find great people to work with anywhere on the planet, if you're patient, develop a good working relationship with them and pay them well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Technologize
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      I kinda skimmed through this thread and thought I'd throw a little perspective on it. In a nutshell...be very careful of stereotyping by country or culture in this business. It's not smart and will backfire on you

      I've hired and worked with a good number of people from just about every developed country on the planet. I've had my share of successful relationships and my share of those that went sour.

      I would never say to anyone, "Go to the Philippines or stay away from India or whatever". That's ludicrous - not everyone in India drops the ball, nor has every freelancer in the Philippines come through perfectly.

      In my experience, it's no different in any one country or culture - you can find great people to work with anywhere on the planet, if you're patient, develop a good working relationship with them and pay them well.
      Well Put Mike, Keeping it real.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cackle
        It's interesting...I posted a few times on CL in the Phillipines and got a lot of quotes back that were higher than Americans quoted me! I guess CL isn't the best place to look for outsourcing...but I found that interesting.

        A lot of them didn't read my ad at all and just sent info about their companies or selves. That was a bit discouraging...though people in the US do that too.
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        • Profile picture of the author Netafile
          I do most of my outsourcing in the Philippines these days, and depending on the project, use from India and Eastern Europe.

          I find the Filipinos generally easy to work with and for the most part fairly talented. However, I find that, like people everywhere in the world, you have to kiss a few toads to find the superstars.

          I found that agents of value does not really qualify their outsourcers too well, and you wind up paying double for people that you can find in places like hirefilipino.com or bestjobs.ph.

          I have also found it takes them several times longer to accomplish some tasks then their North American counterparts. I weed out the non-performers by giving four or five of them a small test project, and hiring the one or two that do the best job.

          Also, if you have enough steady work for them to do, it's best to hire two because one will flake out from time to time, get sick, or lose their connection - and you don't want your business to come to a screeching halt!

          One of the biggest challenges in hiring a full-time outsourcer is keeping them busy. It helps to have systems in place where they can do tasks without you having to micromanage them. At least have a default project that they can work on in-between specific assignments.

          It's also easier to select better service providers on sites like elance or RentACoder, because you can at least make an initial selection based on their feedback. With job board sites like bestjobs.ph, you need to have a vetting process in place, and your project management skills together.

          Note: bestjobs.ph no longer allows you to post work at home Internet marketing job
          posts. You can pay their fee to search their resume database and email them.

          Hope this helps!

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  • Profile picture of the author twinsense
    What a great topic! Thank you for all the information. ;0)
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  • Profile picture of the author Market1
    I've used Get Friday in the past and I found it a bit slow and expensive, I hardly use it now and I'm paying $10 just to keep the account active.

    Just recently I started dealing directly with freelancers and it's been great! I'm not at a point where I need or want to hire full time and if I do I have enough experience with my "temps" that the choice should be very straightforward if and when the need arises.

    Just make sure you have 2 providers per specialty as a backup measure
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    • Profile picture of the author fypnlp
      Originally Posted by jimmytron View Post

      Did you get ripped off or something? Or did the person drag out the work? I have outsourced a few times to the Phillippines with no problems, I guess Ive been lucky.
      jimmy tron can you pm me.

      I would love to know the company you used.
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      • Profile picture of the author efrontiers
        Originally Posted by fypnlp View Post

        jimmy tron can you pm me.

        I would love to know the company you used.
        Hi Fypnlp, I manage a group of writers. PM me for more details.
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  • Profile picture of the author RareGoodStuff
    Outsourcing to the Philippines is the best thing that could happen to anyone hoping to make money online. The people are very honest, friendly, humble, resourceful, enterprising and informed about internet marketing.

    I work well with Ross Dalangin. You can find him at Make Money Online With Ross Dalangin| Money Making Online Opportunities hopefully if his hands are not full, you'll be lucky to nab him.

    Though I hesitate to share him with the public but I will do anything for fellow warriors, to help you enjoy self employment and make more money.

    Yes, Filipinos are worth every pound in Gold!
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    • Profile picture of the author fypnlp
      Originally Posted by RareGoodStuff View Post

      Outsourcing to the Philippines is the best thing that could happen to anyone hoping to make money online. The people are very honest, friendly, humble, resourceful, enterprising and informed about internet marketing.


      Yes, Filipinos are worth every pound in Gold!

      thanks so much . Once I get my 15 forum entries I will thank you personally
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  • Profile picture of the author maveric
    OK, I know this is kind of specific, but how about using full time Filipino outsourcers specifically in the "offline gold" niche? I would love to get some help on getting this started.
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  • Profile picture of the author Reader
    Just a quick note about outsourcing to the Philippines: Beware. Don't be so quick to sign up.

    I used a company (I term that word lightly) that ranks high in Google. Trust me, that doesn't mean ANYTHING to me anymore. It does not mean that they are reputable.

    I was promised the moon (supposedly they knew how to build Wordpress sites, research keyword niches, and so on) with nothing to show as a result. Terrible communication problems with the website builder and the guy in charge (a non filipino) just didn't care---unless he gets the money first, of course. Phone calls to him were largely ignored.

    As a result, I have to delete the websites which are embarrassingly bad, and now I'll just do it myself. I wasted a month and good money on this. Don't believe what you hear from people, and beware. Ask for a sample, be skeptical, and again---buyer beware. Don't waste your money if you are not sure about the outsourcing service.

    I use an excellent service from the Philippines for social bookmarking, blog & forum posting which is reliable and trustworthy.

    But I will take the time to learn all I can and just do the website building on my own for the time being.
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    • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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      Originally Posted by Reader View Post

      Just a quick note about outsourcing to the Philippines: Beware. Don't be so quick to sign up.

      I used a company (I term that word lightly) that ranks high in Google. Trust me, that doesn't mean ANYTHING to me anymore. It does not mean that they are reputable.

      I was promised the moon (supposedly they knew how to build Wordpress sites, research keyword niches, and so on) with nothing to show as a result. Terrible communication problems with the website builder and the guy in charge (a non filipino) just didn't care---unless he gets the money first, of course. Phone calls to him were largely ignored.

      As a result, I have to delete the websites which are embarrassingly bad, and now I'll just do it myself. I wasted a month and good money on this. Don't believe what you hear from people, and beware. Ask for a sample, be skeptical, and again---buyer beware. Don't waste your money if you are not sure about the outsourcing service.

      I use an excellent service from the Philippines for social bookmarking, blog & forum posting which is reliable and trustworthy.

      But I will take the time to learn all I can and just do the website building on my own for the time being.
      I've no doubt that you had a bad experience with a bad company, but do you really want to stereotype a whole country based on that experience?

      Years ago I had a great writer from the Philippines who did fantastic work until he decided to retire. Today, as luck would have it, I've got another writer from Philippines who is also doing great work for us (she's gotten quite a few bonuses from me for her efforts).

      That doesn't mean that everyone in the Philippines is a great writer - and it doesn't mean that there aren't some really bad ones passing themselves off as good ones.

      All it means is that I've had the good fortune to encounter two good writers who handled their work professionally. Their country of origin has utterly nothing to do with it. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Reader
        Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

        I've no doubt that you had a bad experience with a bad company, but do you really want to stereotype a whole country based on that experience?

        Years ago I had a great writer from the Philippines who did fantastic work until he decided to retire. Today, as luck would have it, I've got another writer from Philippines who is also doing great work for us (she's gotten quite a few bonuses from me for her efforts).

        That doesn't mean that everyone in the Philippines is a great writer - and it doesn't mean that there aren't some really bad ones passing themselves off as good ones.

        All it means is that I've had the good fortune to encounter two good writers who handled their work professionally. Their country of origin has utterly nothing to do with it. :rolleyes:
        Whoa! Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions. I am not stereotyping the country! I said in my posting that presently I subscribe to a wonderful service in the Philippines that manually posts to blogs, forums, directories, etc. I am starting to get more traffic and they are reliable. I will continue with them for sure.

        No, I am not stereotyping an entire country. The problem is no matter what country you outsource from, if they do not train their people properly you will encounter problems. If you read my entire post you would see that. The problem was that the non-Filippino running the service did not bother to train the personnel properly and didn't respond to my complaints.

        They could not do research, build websites, add affiliate links, and so on. He didn't bother to train them. I paid a lot for the service.

        The person working on my website was a very nice person, eager to please, but was not trained. He tried very hard on his own with little help from his supervisor. So I unsubscribed. That's it.

        I will start building websites myself, but I just might try to find someone on my own from the Philippines that is an experienced independent freelancer.
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          • Profile picture of the author Reader
            You are so right! Thanks for the advice. And the person training the people led me to believe that they were already trained.

            Thanks again.
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            • Profile picture of the author mustard76
              Originally Posted by Reader View Post

              You are so right! Thanks for the advice. And the person training the people led me to believe that they were already trained.

              Thanks again.
              Reader,

              You should consider joining getreplacemyself.com and using the approach recommended by John Jonas. He recommends hiring VAs full-time and training them yourself.
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              • Profile picture of the author Justin1
                Originally Posted by mustard76 View Post

                Reader,

                You should consider joining getreplacemyself.com and using the approach recommended by John Jonas. He recommends hiring VAs full-time and training them yourself.
                nice affiliate redirect domain lol
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                • Profile picture of the author CraigX
                  Why not just go to e-lance or getafreelancer and post your job and find a qualified person yourself and dont worry about if this person was trained properly by somebody else. This seems to me that its your responsibility to check there past work along with recommendations and make the decission on if this person meets all your needs and not leave it to some unknown supervisor to tell you his people are trained well.
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          • Profile picture of the author mu123
            Originally Posted by Marx Melencio View Post

            I believe that's the main problem there:

            --- you're trying to hire people then other people to train those you initially hired.


            One person needs to be solely responsible for everything you assigned this person to do.


            4) A person without the initiative I mentioned above can't possibly have...

            ...high learning capacity (since he or she has been used to being dependent on information spoonfed by other people to this person)...

            ...valuable decision-making skills useful for the good of everyone involved (since this person is used to others making decisions that can affect his or her work), and...

            ..
            You need to hire stars.

            Hire exceptional people.

            Hire stars that can think and act exceptionally.

            Hire exceptional people challenged by ridiculous amounts of ridiculously difficult tasks per day.

            Hire stars who in about a year or so would leave you to start their own thing since these exceptional people will provide you with the highest value while they're with you.

            These stars will also ask for ridiculous amounts of ridiculously high rewards, yes, but everything would be worth your time and money since:

            These people will be the top external business contributors for the improvement of your life.
            ThANK YOU!
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    • Profile picture of the author mu123
      Hi, can you pm to me please? I think I ave deal with the same guy right now. needed help save some money. Please!
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  • Profile picture of the author DoctorQuest
    I want to thank all of you for sharing your amazing knowledge and ideas.
    With your help, my outsourcing results will improve. The learning curve
    never ends.

    My only real problem is that whenever I visit the WF, I can't find the exit.

    So much to see... !!!!!!!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author kaye
    Hi everyone,

    Chanced upon this thread and may be able to help. I am currently here in Manila sitting out the "economic crisis" in London

    Just send me a PM of what you need, your budget, etc and will see what I can do.

    I know quite a few freelancers here so can ask around for you.

    Cheers,

    Kaye
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    • Profile picture of the author Magic Johnson
      I have worked with people in panama and phillippens. I take provide the info to the right contact if anyone is intrested of the later.. Just pm then.

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      • Profile picture of the author lawed
        Review: Marx Melencio VA OUTSOURCING


        I have used Marx Melencio as a consultant on 2 Projects which required a Developer.



        I have had excellent results.

        The projects were done according to agreed terms. I supplied proper task requirements and was available to answer any and all questions.


        A few questions and answers were exchanged with the Developer through Marx. I asked fa few questions on my end and got prompt answers.


        I have found the work excellent. The terms fair and procedures very professional. Contracts and business conduct were clear, efficient and up to industry standards.

        I am making plans to give him a go with some more involved marketing based my experience so far.
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    • Profile picture of the author johnpaulgrant
      I have been in the outsourcing industry for years now and have tested a lot of countries and cultures and in my personal opinion the Philippines is the best place to outsource too!

      I used to own an SEO agency and would outsource some work, but would continually come away frustrated. Until i discovered the philippines anyway.

      The people there continually amaze me with there hard work ethics, integrity and honesty. You would think they would be entrepreneurial, but the majority of them are just not wired that way.

      My philippines staff have helped so many people succeed online, and I love it! In my industry everyone wins!

      Some people think it is wrong for some reason. However it is all relative ... whilst you can pay $3.95 per hour for a full time virtual employee the cost of living there is much lower also.
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  • Profile picture of the author kaye
    Hi everyone,

    Chanced upon this thread and may be able to help. I am currently here in Manila sitting out the "economic crisis" in London

    Just send me a PM of what you need, your budget, etc and will see what I can do.

    I know quite a few freelancers here so can ask around for you.

    Cheers,

    Kaye
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  • Profile picture of the author Ian del Carmen
    I'm from the Philippines. If you come here to find teams to outsource, let's meet personally. Maybe I can help...

    Ian del Carmen

    PS: Just PM me anytime...
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  • Profile picture of the author NitroKevin
    I've followed John Jonas's training in Replace Myself .com and found it excellent.

    We used BestJobs.ph, emailed people who met our qualifications, gave them a task to complete. This weeds out most people and the ones who complete it can see what their work looks like.

    One thing not discussed is your expectations.

    For the most part, they will do some things great and some things they do will leave you scratching your head thinking "why would they ever do that???"

    Realize there is a 3 to 6 month learning process for this person... which is true for most people being hired. A full-time outsourced person is no different then hiring a US employee.

    You will want to provide very clear and detailed step-by-step instructions of what you want, a camtashia video showing how to do it, and examples of what the finished work should look like so they can visually see what you want.

    Then provide feedback on what they did via camtashia (or jingproject is faster) "what they did right, what wasn't correct, and what should have done" And again example of what it should have looked like when done correctly.

    Once you have a well trained person they will be invaluable. Spending the time upfront to get that point is a great investment you can make.
    However don't freak out when they do something that is not what you wanted. If they have the right work ethic qualities and have good english, then they can be taught the "how to" portion.

    -Kevin
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  • Profile picture of the author Leads4Builders
    I'm a Replacemyself.com member as well....I've really enjoyed my membership and John Jonas is great. I must say though, I've been pretty disappointed with the caliber of people on Best Jobs. I've hired 2 people to do full time work. I gave them very specific information and step by step instructions for what I needed done. Both people I hired have been very slow in getting their task done, and their reporting has been terrible to say the least. I'm on my third person, so we'll see.
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  • Profile picture of the author developerholic
    I'm a filipina and i'm so glad with the positive feedbacks you're giving us. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author foufou
    Thanks guys for the information, I came accross replacemyself too and was thinking of hiring somebody to outsource my repetitive tasks and focus on research.
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  • Profile picture of the author lawed
    I have just started to Outsource. I have used a Filipino programmer part time for 2 months and I am more than satisfied.

    I am planning to seek more Web Design and VA help from there shortly.
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffsolochek
    I have outsourced successfully to the Philipines, Malaysia, India, China and several other third world countries.

    Stay away from Ukraine as I had a bad experience over there with a freelance programmer.

    I was told to stay away from Russia as well.

    I have been using Getafreelancer.com for my outsourcing.

    Usually I will stay away from a freelancer with zero feedback but the ones that have a lot of good feedback will charge you upfront.

    $100 to one of theese freelancers is like a bonus to them since they are making like $50 a week at their regular job. Freelance Students may not have a regular job and most of them will want to earn your repeat business so they will try to outperform for you.,

    My son also has a lot of outsourced programming done. Look at getmoretwitters.com as this was all done by an overseas individual.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheMole
    The Philippines are outsourcing heaven but as with anything you get good and bad quality work. My suggestion is to use a service like Odesk and check the job history of that person for that specific outsourcing agent. As a rule their cost of living determines that you will get better quality work at a better price than in USA
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  • Profile picture of the author younghamir
    i am a Filipino and i do several jobs for people from FL and CA. mostly data entry and we cater one company's call center, its not that big, having 7 people doing the data entry during the day(thats night time in the US) and processing calls during night time(day time in the US)
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  • Profile picture of the author stephan231
    thank you all for the info as it's first time i read on outsourcing internet marketing tasks to the Philippines using John Jonas' website.
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  • Profile picture of the author IWebGirl
    I have hired a few people from the Philippines at Odesk and I am very disappointed. The only good freelancer I found there was American and she was great.
    I have found one great freelancer from the Philippines but she's at $7/hour. I don't like Odesk because when a freelancer gets hot he asks for a raise and still forgets about you and keeps asking for more while the work quality and communication quality drops.
    I feel I have spent 4 times the time trying to find a decent freelancer at Odesk than it would have taken to do the job myself.
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    • Profile picture of the author mustard76
      Originally Posted by IWebGirl View Post

      I have hired a few people from the Philippines at Odesk and I am very disappointed. The only good freelancer I found there was American and she was great.
      I have found one great freelancer from the Philippines but she's at $7/hour. I don't like Odesk because when a freelancer gets hot he asks for a raise and still forgets about you and keeps asking for more while the work quality and communication quality drops.
      I feel I have spent 4 times the time trying to find a decent freelancer at Odesk than it would have taken to do the job myself.
      I had a similar experience. Now I hire full time VAs in the Philippines and train them myself. If you hire someone full-time you will pay $2 per hour. It's a long-term commitment and you may not see results right away. The key to this arraignment is that you are offering them a steady paycheck and they are willing to accept much less for a steady paycheck than a contact gig.
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      • Profile picture of the author IWebGirl
        Originally Posted by mustard76 View Post

        I had a similar experience. Now I hire full time VAs in the Philippines and train them myself. If you hire someone full-time you will pay $2 per hour. It's a long-term commitment and you may not see results right away. The key to this arraignment is that you are offering them a steady paycheck and they are willing to accept much less for a steady paycheck than a contact gig.
        I will keep that in mind. I don't mind training anyone. It used to be my job and I was really good at it. I am not sure how to train someone from the Internet or the phone. It seems much harder this way. I understand that a steady paycheck is very appealing to most people.

        Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author mustard76
          Originally Posted by IWebGirl View Post

          I will keep that in mind. I don't mind training anyone. It used to be my job and I was really good at it. I am not sure how to train someone from the Internet or the phone. It seems much harder this way. I understand that a steady paycheck is very appealing to most people.

          Thanks
          Training is not too hard. It just takes time and patience. I chat frequently on video Skype with my VAs in the Philippines. I also created videos using Jing.
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  • Profile picture of the author TPFLegionaire
    Hi,

    First post on WF, but long time lurker...

    I have 3 people working for me now, I managed everything with Odesk
    Odesk make it incredibly easy to post jobs , find and hire the right people and more importantly manage them...

    I have a webmaster from Macedonia (5.5$ an hour)and 2 data entry people doing backlinking for me (1.50$) .

    Do check them out....

    Outsourcing is the way to go!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    I am outsourcing it is GREAT!!!

    There are 2 ways you can hire 1. Through a company 2 Direct. You get what you pay for, I suggest a company for customer service that if it does not happen can put a road block in your business.

    Using direct is hit or miss. I have had people that did not work out from the start. They dont do anything and after 3 days of saying yes and giving assignment, you get nothing back.

    I had one guy who road some stuff and I asked him, he said that his friend told him it would be good SEO stuff. This guy was motivated, sharp and straight, but no skills. I hired him at $120 for a month project. AMAZING CHOICE!!!!!

    I LOVE outsourcing.
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      Originally Posted by Mukul Verma View Post

      I had one guy who road some stuff and I asked him, he said that his friend told him it would be good SEO stuff. This guy was motivated, sharp and straight, but no skills. I hired him at $120 for a month project. AMAZING CHOICE!!!!!

      I LOVE outsourcing.

      Hi Mukul!


      Can spare me the details of where you outsourced for $120 a month 4 ur SEO job?

      Please...

      Thank you Mukul!
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      • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
        Originally Posted by Google Lover View Post

        Hi Mukul!


        Can spare me the details of where you outsourced for $120 a month 4 ur SEO job?

        Please...

        Thank you Mukul!
        I got it from Best Jobs Philippines :: Philippine job search, job bank, employment and recruitment. (I believe they are not taking new applicants).

        You also have to consider 2 points in getting someone at that price.
        1. What plainwords said is right about you need experience and common sense to pick the right people. I have interviewed over 30 people in the Philippines and you gain experience and common sense over time.

        2. What is the job that they are doing. In the job I hired the person for posting links (he was given the content, the websites to post on). I would not give my accounting or programming or medical to just anyone. I would give me customer service, posting etc to a place where you have to train.

        3. You training is very important for outsourcing to work.

        I have a outsource employee that I pay $900 a month for and still do it as the value is well worth it to me.

        Mukul
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  • sure would be nice if we could put some of the out of work people here in the states to work!!

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    • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
      Originally Posted by lumpy burgertushie View Post

      sure would be nice if we could put some of the out of work people here in the states to work!!

      robert
      I agree it would be. The cost of hiring someone there was $10.800 a year (through a company, person gets benefits, tech person insite etc...) VS the same thing for anyone in the US would cost min 20K to 30K salary + benefits, insurance, equipment, all that is provided by the company. So you are looking at easily over $50,000.

      It makes hiring someone a option, where at min 50k it would not be a option.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    The company I use is GREAT. I have the person do everything customer service related (Email, live chat, 1 800 #, Messenger) + she works on projects of updating the site. When she does not have anything to do she will even goto Yahoo Answers and market. It is great outsourcing.
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    • Profile picture of the author lawed
      Makkuu If you do not mind would you post or send me the name of the company you use by PM?

      Many Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author lawed
        My error on misspelling your name Makul...I have a vision impairent which is one of the reasons I need to outsource. Thanks again
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  • Hey,

    Just got the chance to read all the post. We'll I have an outsourcing company here in the Philippines. I already posted my service thread and paid for it in the Classified Ads area in this forum just waiting for it to go live..

    So far my VA has been working great.. I have good reviews on other forums, dp, wf, etc. You can also check my website firstpagewebsearch.com

    PM me if you are interested. THanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Essi
      Originally Posted by firstpagewebsearch View Post

      Hey,

      Just got the chance to read all the post. We'll I have an outsourcing company here in the Philippines. I already posted my service thread and paid for it in the Classified Ads area in this forum just waiting for it to go live..

      So far my VA has been working great.. I have good reviews on other forums, dp, wf, etc. You can also check my website firstpagewebsearch.com

      PM me if you are interested. THanks.
      Hi Firstpagewebsearch,

      Quick question for you:

      I have a step-by-step IM product that I would like implemented and promoted.

      Can you give me a candid opinion on whether or not your VAs in the phillipines can do this?

      The course involves, blog design and creation, article writting and marketing, web 2.0 promotions, video marketing and a few more.

      The course in itself is training, so the only thing I would be requiring is results. I have a few other products like these, that I don't have the time to test and implement.

      What are your thoughts?

      Thanks,

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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    Great point Mustard, you are right, there are too many people who teach that do not understand it or have experience success.

    Well there will have to be 2 parts 1. For the business owner/IM/Boss whatever (educate them) and 2. Outsource employee.

    I should have mentioned this is 100% based around my expertee's, getting traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author hhayman
    I currently have a backlinking team in the Phillipines as well as a couple of article writers I use. Outsourcing these manual tasks has been the best thing I have ever done for my internet business.

    Unfortunately I took some time to assemble my team. I posted small projects and based on the performance I would then hire (or not) the person for regular or larger projects. I have only hired about 15% of the people a second time.
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      Originally Posted by hhayman View Post

      I currently have a backlinking team in the Phillipines as well as a couple of article writers I use. Outsourcing these manual tasks has been the best thing I have ever done for my internet business.

      Unfortunately I took some time to assemble my team. I posted small projects and based on the performance I would then hire (or not) the person for regular or larger projects. I have only hired about 15% of the people a second time.

      Hi hhayman!

      Where do you get your team from?

      odesk? Any tips please?

      Thank you hhayman!
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      • Profile picture of the author plainwords
        My experience with outsourcing to several '3rd world' countries, including the Philippines, is that you need a certain amount of experience, plus common sense, to pick the right people.

        I had to learn a few hard mistakes initially by being seduced by very cheap rates, like $5 an hour. Generally speaking, I've found that you get what you pay for, whether it's the Philippines, India or anywhere else.

        It's just that a super-star in the Philippines or India will cost less than in the US or another Western country.

        I'm happy to pay $25 an hour now for web programming to an Indian company, who do outstanding work. A $25/hour programmer in India is like a $100/hr programmer in the US. They are fast and good at what they do, so they can accomplish as much in one hour, as the less expensive programmer will achieve in 2 or 3 hours.

        The same applies in the Philippines. If you are interested only in getting work done as cheaply as possible, you will probably be disappointed with the result. But if you look to the top end of the market (which is still only about 25% of what you'd pay for the same quality in the US) you'll probably find a star, who will be a great asset to your business.
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        • Profile picture of the author IWebGirl
          Well I got great writing at $7/hour from the Philippines but it took her 3 hours to do a 750 word article. Even I did not take that long when I first started and English is not my first language.
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          • Profile picture of the author mustard76
            Originally Posted by IWebGirl View Post

            Well I got great writing at $7/hour from the Philippines but it took her 3 hours to do a 750 word article. Even I did not take that long when I first started and English is not my first language.
            If you paid $21 for a well-written 750 word article you got a great deal.
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          • Profile picture of the author mu123
            To IwebGirl I tried to PM to you. but your email box is full. can you tell me what web site did you find your writer on? I need to hire ASAP writer. Thanks
            PM please
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  • Profile picture of the author kabong
    Hi,

    I'm from the Philippines too and I'm happy that many of you want Filipinos to do the work. I create accounts for easy submitting of your marketing materials like videos using tubemogul, press releases, articlebot article directories, etc. Just PM me if you need one

    Regards,

    Ronald
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  • Profile picture of the author ValueRays
    I outsource to India. Never used the Phillipines. If you need some good developers, let me know.
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      Unfortunately, I don't trust developers from India anymore. The best ones I got were from Viet Nam.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketingstatic
    Personally i lost 600 wasted on a Virtual Assistant from the Philippines. I now have an assistant that is in South Africa a bit higher price 6.00 HR but better English, better internet connection etc..
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  • Profile picture of the author steveniam
    I am toying with the possibility of employing a few Filipinos to help with internet-related work. However when I search on the internet the rate are very much higher. I suppose most of the income goes to the agent or owner of the site. Just for information, the income of a nurse there is about $150 a month.

    Being a neighbour of Philippines I intend to pay a visit and seek the possibility of finding my assistants myself instead relying on other people.
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    • Profile picture of the author fypnlp
      I agree philippines outsourcing is very good.
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      • Profile picture of the author mustard76
        Originally Posted by fypnlp View Post

        The only thing I need now is a VA to type my transcripts and perform other secretarial work for me. Can anyone recommend a good reliable company?
        For audio transcription, I use Sandy Ray. She is very reliable.

        Her website: www. san-ray .com
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      • Profile picture of the author mflorin
        fypnlp, could you please let me know the name of the company you outsource to in the Phillipines? Any help is greatly appreciated!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    I wonder if I can hire a VA to come onto WF for me, since it would save me more time

    I love this place
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    • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
      Yes and I love them. I asked one of my girls why their salary requirements are so low :confused: and they told me that's the "going rate."

      I then began to ask her how much rent cost, a burger, if there were nice cars there, etc. Ive never been to the Philippines so I was curious.

      I also asked her generally if she was happy working for those rates and she said yes, very happy to be able to work from home.

      She told me that rent was $200 a month for a 2-3 bedroom, a burger was 75 cents and there were no nice cars.

      The work she and others do is outstanding, and they are easy to train.

      The key is to first test them before hiring. Create camtasias for the training process and work on speed.
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      • Profile picture of the author zrod
        So when you say test them before hiring, you give them a paid day of testing? Or ask them to complete something for free?
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        • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
          Originally Posted by zrod View Post

          So when you say test them before hiring, you give them a paid day of testing? Or ask them to complete something for free?
          Sure, well you don't need to do a whole day. If their resume looks good you can get a good idea in an hour.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
            Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

            Sure, well you don't need to do a whole day. If their resume looks good you can get a good idea in an hour.
            Thats true, I always make it a little longer (not too long) just in case I need time to be sure about a decision.

            Example - Recent article writer hire can produce 15 in a week, so I gave her a variety and tough ones. I could tell after 6 articles that she was a keeper, but said a week, you can always hire them before the test time.
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            • Profile picture of the author boris s
              hey warriors,

              trying my luck here, does any one have any idea how i can outsource writing and seo gruntwork in french ??

              I doubt someone can answer me as this forum is mostly about the US/UK market but just in case some one knows...
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      • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
        Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

        Yes and I love them. I asked one of my girls why their salary requirements are so low :confused: and they told me that's the "going rate."

        I then began to ask her how much rent cost, a burger, if there were nice cars there, etc. Ive never been to the Philippines so I was curious.

        I also asked her generally if she was happy working for those rates and she said yes, very happy to be able to work from home.

        She told me that rent was $200 a month for a 2-3 bedroom, a burger was 75 cents and there were no nice cars.

        The work she and others do is outstanding, and they are easy to train.

        The key is to first test them before hiring. Create camtasias for the training process and work on speed.
        Being a business person you love to understand how things work. I have had these conversations often and it suprises you at first.

        Also to add one my staff told me that they are happy to get jobs, as it is very hard to find a good paying job there and yes $200 to $300 is a good paying job there.
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      • Profile picture of the author steveniam
        I think it's much cheaper.

        You can easily employ a maid from Philiipines in the surrounding countries for around $200 and it cost her at least a thousand dollars for the agency/documentation fees before they can work abroad. Of course with the rate, anyone here can employ a maid. To manage the flood, the governments around the surrounding countries imposed a substantial levy plus quota, family income restriction etc to stem the flow.

        Due to their economy, it's not easy to find a job locally and their cost of living is very much lower compared to USA and they are able to have a good standard of living on the income you are giving them. Their economy is substantially supported by remittances from their people working abroad.

        Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

        Yes and I love them. I asked one of my girls why their salary requirements are so low :confused: and they told me that's the "going rate."

        I then began to ask her how much rent cost, a burger, if there were nice cars there, etc. Ive never been to the Philippines so I was curious.

        I also asked her generally if she was happy working for those rates and she said yes, very happy to be able to work from home.

        She told me that rent was $200 a month for a 2-3 bedroom, a burger was 75 cents and there were no nice cars.

        The work she and others do is outstanding, and they are easy to train.

        The key is to first test them before hiring. Create camtasias for the training process and work on speed.
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      • Profile picture of the author kcr101
        Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post


        I then began to ask her how much rent cost, a burger, if there were nice cars there, etc. Ive never been to the Philippines so I was curious.

        She told me that rent was $200 a month for a 2-3 bedroom, a burger was 75 cents and there were no nice cars.
        I've been doing internet marketing for about 2 years and am currently living in the Philippines as well. Since the exchange rate for the USD is quite high (US$1 = Php48 as of 9/18/09) I was able to stretch the earnings quite a lot! For a monthly income of $2,500, you can already live like a king (or queen).

        Anyway here's a list of some of the costs of living in the Metro if your curious :

        Maid - $63 / mo.
        Driver - $170 / mo.
        2BR condo rental - about $400/mo. average (depends where of course)
        Meal in a good Itallian resto - $4
        Big Mac - $3
        Metro Rail (fully air-conditioned)- $.25 max
        Unleaded Petrol - $.70 / L
        Cell Phone (unlimited calls and texts) - $7.30 / mo
        Yes, there are (very) nice cars here, but in the Metro

        As an IM, I have the freedom of doing business where there is an internet connection, and I must say, there's nothing like living in a world class beach resort with dirt-cheap costs! =)
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        • Profile picture of the author kcr101
          As for the outsourcing, I get them all from Elance. I suggest you start assigning small tasks with the newer ones to try out their services, since they charge lesser and still have relatively more time than the more established freelancers. If you are satisfied with the work, you can move up from there. But that's just an option...

          You can initially check their work experience background, and feedback for guidance.

          I also outsource web design work from Pakistan and India because they sometimes charge lesser and the quality is quite good, but ALL of my SEO and content come from the Philippines because of the English proficiency.

          Hope that helps!
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      • Profile picture of the author michaelbnielsen
        Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

        Yes and I love them. I asked one of my girls why their salary requirements are so low :confused: and they told me that's the "going rate."

        I then began to ask her how much rent cost, a burger, if there were nice cars there, etc. Ive never been to the Philippines so I was curious.

        I also asked her generally if she was happy working for those rates and she said yes, very happy to be able to work from home.

        She told me that rent was $200 a month for a 2-3 bedroom, a burger was 75 cents and there were no nice cars.

        The work she and others do is outstanding, and they are easy to train.

        The key is to first test them before hiring. Create camtasias for the training process and work on speed.
        They are normally very happy. Some areas of PH have no jobs and I mean really no jobs. My wife has 2 siblings in PH and none of them has ever had a real job. One is well educated but they simply live in an area where no one invests and therefore there are no jobs.

        Only possibility is to move away or migrate. Scary but true...

        Michael
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  • Profile picture of the author smogharp
    Has anyone had much success with outsourcing writing assignments? If so, what's the quality been like?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
      Originally Posted by erikorganic View Post

      Has anyone had much success with outsourcing writing assignments? If so, what's the quality been like?
      I have had good success finding a full time writer. You want to goto the Philippines they use US English, where India will use more British English.
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    • Profile picture of the author mustard76
      Originally Posted by erikorganic View Post

      Has anyone had much success with outsourcing writing assignments? If so, what's the quality been like?
      The quality depends on the writer. The best approach is to ask many writers to do one or two articles and then stick with the best writers you find. You have to take a shotgun approach to finding a good writer.
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  • Profile picture of the author planwell
    Yes, I am having success. They are mainly doing Social Bookmarking and RSS feeds submissions. The important thing is they should speak good English. Most Filipinos have a good understanding of English but their written skills may not be as good.

    But Social Bookmarking and RSS feeds submissions does not need any writing skills
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  • Profile picture of the author mondays
    I have been outsourcing in PH for the last 3 years.
    Still i have not worked with a company but strictly with individuals.

    How to find them.
    I have ads running full time on graiglist (ads running in all PH cities) so i am never out of people willing to work.
    People come and go, but at the end you will be able to get some really good workers to build up your team.

    About SEO
    In general i give everybody a little bit of all tasks to ensure that if someone decides to leave i will have no down time.

    About articles.
    Still the same principle, people come and go spread your work to several writers. Eventually you will have a very good team

    Rates
    I usually pay per project. Articles around $1.5-$4 depending on size, original or rewrite.
    SEO tasks, accounts creation and link building around $20-$30 per 50-75 properties.

    This is the way i do it and it works out fine for me.

    Hope i was helpful.
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanCoisson
    I am having success outsourcing to the Philippines and am actually looking to hire two more people over there right now.

    Ryan
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  • Profile picture of the author fypnlp
    bit of an update on John jonas. I got an email today stating he has opened (onlinejobs.ph) Find a real, online job! | Home I've had a quick look seems ok and it's free to join.
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    • Profile picture of the author mu123
      Originally Posted by fypnlp View Post

      bit of an update on John jonas. I got an email today stating he has opened (onlinejobs.ph) Find a [/URL] I've had a quick look seems ok and it's free to join.
      what is free? there 50$ a month just for browsing them.
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  • Profile picture of the author pintara3
    Just like anything there are good and bad.Overall the service is good,they speak good english,many telco's are using their call centres.
    Their skills are very good and they are cheap. I came across this report which is very good.

    Look around.
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  • Profile picture of the author DanielWynn
    I have a great web builder from the Philippines since may 09 working part time 20 hours per week and i have never spoke to him. But his english writing is great, he calls me Sir Dan and it made me feel like one of the Beatles!


    Heck my english is probably worse. I was looking on craigslist before i hired my guy and the CL web builders in word press wanted $25 to $50 per hour. I only pay a fraction of that and the work is doen when I wake up the next day.

    If you use CL or elance you need to start any employee or contractor with a 30 day trial period.

    Best

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    • Profile picture of the author drnet
      I spent and wasted alot of money outsourcing.

      One thing is for sure, you must make sure your outsourcing details are step by step and laid out in a way that will allow your outsourcing team to easily follow step by step. this is critical.

      I have been using a team from india and it took along time to find the right people to handle the work.

      Make sure you initially follow what your outsourcing team does to a tee and if you are expecting perfection, you better back off.

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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Bloom
    I placed some ads on Craigs list, looking for article writers. I got many responses and hired a couple of people. It was ok, nothing great. I had to fix grammar on all the articles, but it was much easier than writing them from scratch. I also asked for research and sometimes it took a little more explaining to get done.

    Work ethic varies, just like anywhere. Some people were very responsible and careful to produce the best possible result. Others were promising and yet never showed up after 50% of their job was done and they got paid for that part. So, I haven't found anyone yet I would want to work with long-term.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamespitt
    Hi there,

    I've actually got a small outsourcing team in the Philippines (where I am now), although I'm actually from the UK. Here are some thoughts on how to make a success of outsourcing here:

    1. Filipino's really don't like to say "I don't know" - this will get you all the time if you get the wrong person and a little bit with the right person. Make sure they clear things up when they don't understand.
    2. Try to break everything down to very small steps & put it in writing as well as just verbally.
    3. Get them to show you what they are going to do first. There are loads of screen-sharing tools for this.
    4. Find out where they went to school - my fav school is 'University of the Philippines' as they are pretty understated but normally very reliable. (it's a state school with tough entrance requirements). I know there are lots of other good schools, and that is just my personal favorite.
    5. Find someone who has worked overseas for a while - it doesn't matter where; China or the Mid East are fine. This will help them to understand you.
    6. Try to make sure they have an option if the internet goes wrong - we have to get two or three ISP's to cover downtime.
    7. Clarify in advance if they are going to work bank holidays here - there are a lot of them and they sometimes announce them 2 days in advance. If they work bank holidays they are meant to get double pay or pay plus 30% (the rules get a bit complex). Also they might expect a double salary in December - that's a legal requirement if you have a company here.
    8. Keep on top of what they are doing. Use something like rememberthemilk (dot com) to to send them tasks & get them to do a full daily report. Again - it's good to get something that records what they've been doing on their screen.
    9. Give them a small basic salary and lots of bonus when they get things right. Companies here tend to also do the opposite and fine when they make mistakes but that's a little too much for me.
    10. Ask them all the time what they are doing and why - they can be totally clueless and not tell you. (see 1.)

    Drop me a PM if you'd like to know a bit about what we could do - we're not really looking for clients for a few weeks, but I've got a couple of new guys would could do with some projects to work on at a much lower cost as we train them up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rocketguy
    I am looking to hire several people from the Phillipines, but I am actually having trouble finding people to do automotive forum posting for me. All I am requiring is good written english and some automotive/car knowledge.
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  • Profile picture of the author Arbitrager
    Be careful when you outsource, it is not easy to work with freelancers. Better work with outsourcing company. They do cost more but they provide better quality and supervised workers.

    Here is what exactly happen to me. Quoted from Jason Potash.
    Only LIARS Say It's Easy

    If you decide to outsource your traffic building... congratulations on your new job title as...Professional Babysitter-- you'll have to manage your team, organize their task lists... constantly train them (because what works now is constantly changing), clean up their mistakes... and then 3 months later they'll get bored -- or a better offer -- and vanish (so you get to start the process all over again). Fun!

    Believe it. This is the reality of outsourcing. It isn't pretty.
    Not trying to hold you back. Its just the reality.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ian Harmon
    Yeah I'll second that Arbitrager, I've been working with full-time and part-time outsoucers for a few years now. For the last 6 months I've been using bestjobs.ph facilities and so far I've found the people pretty much the same as other websites I've used to source workers. You still have to micro manage them and constantly check their work.

    Outsourcing is definetly the key to growth but it is far from a walk in the park. I've been sucked into some purchases for outsourcing products in the past where the sales letter says that these workers from X are 'really trustworthy' and 'you don't have to micro manage them' 'we'll provide you with the exact plan you need to outsource your business' blah blah blah.

    But the reality is you will have to Micro manage them for a substantial period of time. But even before you get to that stage, you'll have to go through tens or even even hundreds of resumes and contact them with your job offer.

    Then you'll have to pick who you think are good candidates for the job. Then go through and interview each of your shortlist. After going through the process you'll finally pick one who you think is right for the job, only to find out when you hire them that they're not!

    Then you start the whole process again.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't want to put anyone of outsourcing as I believe it's essential to grow your business and like myself you will find some good workers.

    Just be prepared for the reality of finding, training and managing them. It is far from easy and can be very time consuming.
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    • Profile picture of the author juzanobo
      Originally Posted by Arbitrager View Post

      Be careful when you outsource, it is not easy to work with freelancers. Better work with outsourcing company. They do cost more but they provide better quality and supervised workers.

      Here is what exactly happen to me. Quoted from Jason Potash.


      Not trying to hold you back. Its just the reality.
      Originally Posted by dink View Post

      Yeah I'll second that Arbitrager, I've been working with full-time and part-time outsoucers for a few years now. For the last 6 months I've been using bestjobs.ph facilities and so far I've found the people pretty much the same as other websites I've used to source workers. You still have to micro manage them and constantly check their work.

      Outsourcing is definetly the key to growth but it is far from a walk in the park. I've been sucked into some purchases for outsourcing products in the past where the sales letter says that these workers from X are 'really trustworthy' and 'you don't have to micro manage them' 'we'll provide you with the exact plan you need to outsource your business' blah blah blah.

      But the reality is you will have to Micro manage them for a substantial period of time. But even before you get to that stage, you'll have to go through tens or even even hundreds of resumes and contact them with your job offer.

      Then you'll have to pick who you think are good candidates for the job. Then go through and interview each of your shortlist. After going through the process you'll finally pick one who you think is right for the job, only to find out when you hire them that they're not!

      Then you start the whole process again.

      Don't get me wrong, I don't want to put anyone of outsourcing as I believe it's essential to grow your business and like myself you will find some good workers.

      Just be prepared for the reality of finding, training and managing them. It is far from easy and can be very time consuming.
      I agree with the both of you. Outsourcing is not as easy as those "guru" in outsourcing are saying. As stated by Dink, you will have to go through a long process in finding the right person to employ but often, the one that you have selected can't do the job. Then you'll go through the same process all over again which is a pain in the neck. This has always been one major problem in outsourcing, FINDING THE RIGHT ONE.

      WHen you have found someone that suits your needs, you will deal again how they will work. Keeping an eye on them if they really do the tasks as been instructed and if they could meet the deadline. Managing your staffs require almost FULL TIME of work.

      Outsourcing is very convenient if you employ individuals that are being locally managed by a firm/company. You won't have to go through that long process of selection; you won't have to keep an eye on them because there is SOMEONE doing it for you to ensure the job is being done accordingly. Let's face it, you don't have a total control over your staff when you outsource, they could deal with multiple clients aside from you which will have a negative result on your part.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketingstatic
    I have had a tough time in PH getting good help and lost many hours trying to train even ones that speak good English. I am finding many do not know how to use wordpress only Dreamweaver. The prices dont equate to what you could lose in time value vs. production. I have had some good luck with simple tasks like bookmarking but not much else. Found a good VA on e lance that lives in South Africa which is nice because there is not a 15 hour time difference more like close to East cost time
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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    Yes there are challenges, but once you get it to work, it is well worth it.

    Sidetrack
    9 out of 10 business dont work
    999 out of 1000 Internet Marketers dont make it.

    Point being that challenges is part of the path.

    You need to expect a little give and take when working with them, treat them like people and part of your team and they will overdeliver for you. I got one that created a Facebook group and got like 70 people on it in a day (still amazed) OR was on my case before I even heard of tweetdeck to grow business

    Next, understand there culture. If they only doing articles, bookmarking, link building. Give them there holidays off.

    Let them choose there hours. I work GREAT in the day time, my wife up til very late night and sleeps til noon. Whatever works, use it.

    This is all knowing them, treating them like part of team to get results.
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  • Profile picture of the author juzanobo
    When you outsource in the Philippines, have them work in regular day time job 8am-5PM, 9am - 6PM. DON'T force them to adjust to your own timezone. They could produce better quality of service, may that be link building, article writing, programming, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author kimvalerio05
    There are many Filipinos here at warrior forum who are providing services, some of them are freelancer and some of them are Company.. I prefer established company because I don't need to babysit the staffs. They are well trained to all the services they are providing and I don't need to train them from time to time. They have their supervisors and training officers in their company so I don't need to worry that they will not do what I want them to do for me with out training them. Unlike when I was using freelancers before, I need to train them from time to time.

    The problem is, it waste too much time also to train people my purpose to outsource leg works to get freer times seems not meet because I spend a lot of time to train my staff every time there are new technologies or techniques I need to implement for my online business.

    Luckily, I find a great Philippine base company offering outsourcing services for internet marketer like me here at warrior forum. Now, I don't need to do all those training and upgrading of their knowledge, I have more free time now. One more problem with freelancers from Philippines, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, and even from US is that when they learn all things you've teaching them, they are leaving you and I experience this many times before.
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    • Profile picture of the author juzanobo
      Originally Posted by kimvalerio05 View Post

      There are many Filipinos here at warrior forum who are providing services, some of them are freelancer and some of them are Company.. I prefer established company because I don't need to babysit the staffs. They are well trained to all the services they are providing and I don't need to train them from time to time. They have their supervisors and training officers in their company so I don't need to worry that they will not do what I want them to do for me with out training them. Unlike when I was using freelancers before, I need to train them from time to time.

      The problem is, it waste too much time also to train people my purpose to outsource leg works to get freer times seems not meet because I spend a lot of time to train my staff every time there are new technologies or techniques I need to implement for my online business.

      Luckily, I find a great Philippine base company offering outsourcing services for internet marketer like me here at warrior forum. Now, I don't need to do all those training and upgrading of their knowledge, I have more free time now. One more problem with freelancers from Philippines, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, and even from US is that when they learn all things you've teaching them, they are leaving you and I experience this many times before.
      This is basically the problem when you hire freelancers, aside from having many clients on their side, when they learn so much and can stand on their own, they will definitely leave you if you don't increase their salary. They will look for a greener pasture.
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  • Profile picture of the author plainwords
    I've recently hired two full time employees in the Philippines - a web programmer and a graphic designer/web designer. I found them both at onlinejobs.ph, which is John Jonas' site.

    After two months, my experience is very positive overall. Philippinos are very loyal and eager to please. The quality of the work of my two guys is excellent.

    The only downside I've found is they tend to have a very laid back approach to work. In other words, their output is about half what I would expect from a full time employee.

    This is understandable, given that they are working in a the corner of the family's main living room, with constant activity and noise going on around them, and continual interruptions.

    When I talk to my guys on skype I can hear roosters crowing in the background, babies crying, people laughing etc. It's a third world environment. And the Internet goes down if they have a storm.

    Having said all that, outsourcing to the Philippines has been one of the best things I ever did in my business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
      Originally Posted by plainwords View Post


      The only downside I've found is they tend to have a very laid back approach to work. In other words, their output is about half what I would expect from a full time employee.

      This is understandable, given that they are working in a the corner of the family's main living room, with constant activity and noise going on around them, and continual interruptions.

      When I talk to my guys on skype I can hear roosters crowing in the background, babies crying, people laughing etc. It's a third world environment. And the Internet goes down if they have a storm.

      Having said all that, outsourcing to the Philippines has been one of the best things I ever did in my business.
      I'm so glad you said this! I did a skype chat with my guy two weeks ago and it was the evening for him, it sounded like a party was going on. I didn't want to say anything so I bit my tongue on it. I guess that's just life!

      But my first guy is doing OK work. Not terribly fast, but decent work. And he's very new at this. He's learning.

      I just hired a 2nd worker last night. Content writer for $350/month. She writes in perfect English, seriously. I was amazed. 45 min skype text chat and she made no grammar errors, and less typos than me.
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    • Profile picture of the author OzDesign
      Thanks for sharing your experience. I assume that the employees you got work from their own home?

      I heard of places like Agents of Value where you pay a bit more but the staff work in an office environment(where they need to go to an office) so their productive might improve?


      Originally Posted by plainwords View Post

      I've recently hired two full time employees in the Philippines - a web programmer and a graphic designer/web designer. I found them both at onlinejobs.ph, which is John Jonas' site.

      After two months, my experience is very positive overall. Philippinos are very loyal and eager to please. The quality of the work of my two guys is excellent.

      The only downside I've found is they tend to have a very laid back approach to work. In other words, their output is about half what I would expect from a full time employee.

      This is understandable, given that they are working in a the corner of the family's main living room, with constant activity and noise going on around them, and continual interruptions.

      When I talk to my guys on skype I can hear roosters crowing in the background, babies crying, people laughing etc. It's a third world environment. And the Internet goes down if they have a storm.

      Having said all that, outsourcing to the Philippines has been one of the best things I ever did in my business.
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  • Profile picture of the author stgeorge01
    I do believe filipinos are worth to hire..they are hard working people..
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  • Profile picture of the author dsmpublishing
    Hi guys

    i thought it was going to be a real hassle outsourcing to the philippines and had a bad experience of it via a classified ad on here and then gave it a wide birth.

    A few months later i realised that i couldnt through in the towel just because of one bad one so now i have a team of 50 based there and they do an amazing job. You are hiring staff that might not know your methods so as long as you are prepared to train them its a real life saver. If you are fairly new to internet marketing its great as its a real low expense to pay out for.

    kind regards


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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
    Yeah ... quite simply go get access to John's site. If you wanna read about my hiring experiences, the first link in my sig is to my "outsourcing" posts. Basically how I started with elance, moved to Replacemyself, etc.

    ALWAYS chat with your candidates before hiring. Do not believe what is claimed on a resume unless it is described in detail. If they check off "advanced" for SEO that means nothing. If they say "I performed detailed keyword research and site optimization around those keywords on 3 prior websites, while in my last job" ... then you can trust it's a bit more accurate since it reflects some actual knowledge.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
    I'll never go to an agency if I can avoid it. I want to control how my guys get paid, meaning I want to be able to bonus them directly for great work. I would rather than feel comfortable working at home, knowing they will be treated really well.
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  • Profile picture of the author honeyyoung
    Try hiring freelancers at easyoutsource.com. It is good place to hire Filipinos. Most Filipino online freelancers who register at sites like these are already experienced with online work.
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    • Profile picture of the author blue_sky
      what I dont understand is why all the hype about the philippines right now?

      Its not like they have electricity and computers only since yesterday and they are too big to overlook them on the map!
      In addition the us americans do business with them for a very long time (even the willis jeep is sort of manufactured there)
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      • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
        Originally Posted by Chris Thompson View Post

        I'll never go to an agency if I can avoid it. I want to control how my guys get paid, meaning I want to be able to bonus them directly for great work. I would rather than feel comfortable working at home, knowing they will be treated really well.
        It would depend on the work, if its bookmarking and you know it, then do it direct. I use agency for customer support (1 800 #s, Live Chats, email) basically functions that are a MUST at all time for my business. Also they have onsite IT people and managers. I still deal directly, but those extra benefits make it worth it.

        Originally Posted by blue_sky View Post

        what I dont understand is why all the hype about the philippines right now?

        Its not like they have electricity and computers only since yesterday and they are too big to overlook them on the map!
        In addition the us americans do business with them for a very long time (even the willis jeep is sort of manufactured there)
        Good question.

        Outsource has grown in the last few years. The Phillipines have been very qualified for a long time, they produce goods, now services are moving there. They are right now where you can get the cheapest labour for educated people. Also to mention the work ethics play favortism as well.

        Cheers,
        Mukul
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        • Profile picture of the author Technologize
          Unfortunately, for me it's come time to replace my current phillipino assistant.

          She's worked for me for six months, but she's just not cut out for the job. Lately i've been ramping things up, but she's still running at a snails pace.


          I have to constantly check her work for errors, i find myself repeating instructions to her over and over, and my mind boggles at why she takes so long to do some tasks. The crunch came for me today when i gave her 2 hours to do some tasks i could probably do in a hour max, and she wasn't still even half way thru the tasks after 2 hours.

          Yes i think they have a laid back approach to work, but some a way more laid back then others. Make sure you get a good employee.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
            Originally Posted by anteck View Post

            Unfortunately, for me it's come time to replace my current phillipino assistant.

            She's worked for me for six months, but she's just not cut out for the job. Lately i've been ramping things up, but she's still running at a snails pace.


            I have to constantly check her work for errors, i find myself repeating instructions to her over and over, and my mind boggles at why she takes so long to do some tasks. The crunch came for me today when i gave her 2 hours to do some tasks i could probably do in a hour max, and she wasn't still even half way thru the tasks after 2 hours.

            Yes i think they have a laid back approach to work, but some a way more laid back then others. Make sure you get a good employee.
            Hire slowly, fire fast. It sounds like it is time for her to go (I always give warning first)
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            • Profile picture of the author Technologize
              Originally Posted by Mukul Verma View Post

              Hire slowly, fire fast. It sounds like it is time for her to go (I always give warning first)
              Yeah, i've kept her on because i figured she would get better... but lately i've been designing a new strategy, and i'm almost tearing my hair out because i don't understand WTF she is doing...

              I'll spend ages designing videos, putting detailed instructions into point form, doing screenshots.. but she'll still amaze me by asking something i've already explained.

              At the end of the day, she was ok for basic work like article writing (400-500 words would take her 5 hours), blog commenting, posting articles to wordpress... etc but anything more advanced and i think she feels a bit lost.

              Micromanaging is what i want to avoid... which is what i've had to do... time for her to go. Sad, but essential.

              What sites have others found great people to hire?
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              • Profile picture of the author davidjames42973
                Originally Posted by anteck View Post

                Yeah, i've kept her on because i figured she would get better... but lately i've been designing a new strategy, and i'm almost tearing my hair out because i don't understand WTF she is doing...

                I'll spend ages designing videos, putting detailed instructions into point form, doing screenshots.. but she'll still amaze me by asking something i've already explained.

                At the end of the day, she was ok for basic work like article writing (400-500 words would take her 5 hours), blog commenting, posting articles to wordpress... etc but anything more advanced and i think she feels a bit lost.

                Micromanaging is what i want to avoid... which is what i've had to do... time for her to go. Sad, but essential.

                What sites have others found great people to hire?
                This is usually the sign that they have another job. Hire assistants on Full Time so they'll work on your projects and your projects only. If you hire somebody part time they usually work well in the beginning, but usually flake things off and take a long time.
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                • Profile picture of the author Technologize
                  Originally Posted by davidjames42973 View Post

                  This is usually the sign that they have another job. Hire assistants on Full Time so they'll work on your projects and your projects only. If you hire somebody part time they usually work well in the beginning, but usually flake things off and take a long time.
                  It's interesting you say that, because around two months ago i was seeing some signs she was doing other work (logging into her skype after hours, etc...)

                  Thanks for the suggestion!
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              • Profile picture of the author Dexter XD
                Originally Posted by anteck View Post

                Yeah, i've kept her on because i figured she would get better... but lately i've been designing a new strategy, and i'm almost tearing my hair out because i don't understand WTF she is doing...

                I'll spend ages designing videos, putting detailed instructions into point form, doing screenshots.. but she'll still amaze me by asking something i've already explained.

                At the end of the day, she was ok for basic work like article writing (400-500 words would take her 5 hours), blog commenting, posting articles to wordpress... etc but anything more advanced and i think she feels a bit lost.

                Micromanaging is what i want to avoid... which is what i've had to do... time for her to go. Sad, but essential.

                What sites have others found great people to hire?

                Hi I new here and I guess a lot of people have read Tim Ferris' book 4 hour work week - My twopence worth - from what I've gleaned from the book. Tim hired two VAs one was very good at XYZ the other was better at ABC - might I suggest that if you are happy about one aspect of work that they do - then find another that does the thing well thats not covered by the first, I guess without going mad (budget accommodating!) its infinitely scalable - I think in the end Tim was advocating teams - because if you have one person doing everything if something goes wrong.....
                Kind regards
                Ken
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          • Profile picture of the author Marx Melencio
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            • Profile picture of the author Technologize
              Hey Marx,

              That's an Awesome reply, and has give me some serious things to think about.

              Thanks u bunch mate!

              Anthony.
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              • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
                Better hire company instead of free lancer, when you hire free lancer you need to supervise them your self. If you hire a staff from company , the company will supervise their staff.

                Company staff stays at the same place so there are supervisors watching them, if you hire free lancers you need to watch them from time to time because they may have another customers at the same time.

                If you can't afford to hire one from a company, I suggest that you check the consistency of your staff works. Before hiring ask them how many task they can complete per day. For example how many authority sites they can create for you per day, how many bookmarking, how many article directory submission.

                Then look for other free lancers and company and ask them the same question. The difference should be not big. If the difference if big then find another free lancer.
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  • Outsourcing is not depends upon the country, its depend the company or person you are provide outsource. We can find good and bad outsources from any company.This is new youth generation, we are all in the computer world.So peoples from all countries really wiling to hardword to acheive their own goal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Irishcopywriter
    Having lived and worked all over the world and now claim my permanent residence in Las Pinas City (Metro Manila), I find that Filipinos, for the most part are honest and hard working. It's a different culture and things there run on "Filipino time". An hour to a Filipino usually means at least two or three. If anyone wants outsourcing, I can recommend some that I use, and would be happy to help anyone else looking for specific areas of competency. Although I am currently in London, my son is local there and speaks the language, so no mis-communication!
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    • Profile picture of the author juzanobo
      Originally Posted by Irishcopywriter View Post

      Having lived and worked all over the world and now claim my permanent residence in Las Pinas City (Metro Manila), I find that Filipinos, for the most part are honest and hard working. It's a different culture and things there run on "Filipino time". An hour to a Filipino usually means at least two or three. If anyone wants outsourcing, I can recommend some that I use, and would be happy to help anyone else looking for specific areas of competency. Although I am currently in London, my son is local there and speaks the language, so no mis-communication!
      Hi,

      I just have to clarify a little bit that you have stated. "Filipino Time" means an event will be started a little bit later than the what has been scheduled. I.e. Graduation will begin at 3PM, but with the notion of "Filipino Time", some people will attend after 3PM because they think that the graduation program organizers won't start the event on time.

      Filipinos treat 1 hour as 1 hour (just like any other individual in the world) and not equivalent to 2 or 3 hours, after all there's only 24 hours in a day wherever you may reside .
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    • Profile picture of the author hopelin
      Originally Posted by Irishcopywriter View Post

      Having lived and worked all over the world and now claim my permanent residence in Las Pinas City (Metro Manila), I find that Filipinos, for the most part are honest and hard working. It's a different culture and things there run on "Filipino time". An hour to a Filipino usually means at least two or three. If anyone wants outsourcing, I can recommend some that I use, and would be happy to help anyone else looking for specific areas of competency. Although I am currently in London, my son is local there and speaks the language, so no mis-communication!
      I'm planning to find a few people in Philippine to help me with my content writing, article marketing as well as some online research......

      Would like to hear your recommendation. Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author BobV
      Originally Posted by Irishcopywriter View Post

      Having lived and worked all over the world and now claim my permanent residence in Las Pinas City (Metro Manila), I find that Filipinos, for the most part are honest and hard working. It's a different culture and things there run on "Filipino time". An hour to a Filipino usually means at least two or three. If anyone wants outsourcing, I can recommend some that I use, and would be happy to help anyone else looking for specific areas of competency. Although I am currently in London, my son is local there and speaks the language, so no mis-communication!
      Hi Charles,

      I´m looking for a content/article writer. Can you recommend some to me?

      Thanks,
      Bob
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      • Profile picture of the author fypnlp
        Originally Posted by BobV View Post

        Hi Charles,

        I´m looking for a content/article writer. Can you recommend some to me?

        Thanks,
        Bob
        Originally Posted by Amanda_Davis View Post

        nobody's going to give you the details of someone great they've found.

        Do you OWN research and find your OWN people.
        The above comment was eloquently put by another poster with a similar request.

        Without trying to be rude you will have figure that out yourself. No will share that kind of info.
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        • Profile picture of the author BobV
          Originally Posted by fypnlp View Post

          The above comment was eloquently put by another poster with a similar request.

          Without trying to be rude you will have figure that out yourself. No will share that kind of info.
          @fypnlp: You should read the thread before posting any coments.

          This was the post from Charles:

          [/QUOTE]Having lived and worked all over the world and now claim my permanent residence in Las Pinas City (Metro Manila), I find that Filipinos, for the most part are honest and hard working. It's a different culture and things there run on "Filipino time". An hour to a Filipino usually means at least two or three. If anyone wants outsourcing, I can recommend some that I use, and would be happy to help anyone else looking for specific areas of competency. Although I am currently in London, my son is local there and speaks the language, so no mis-communication!.[/QUOTE]

          So I think my question was legitimate.
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        *snip* double post
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  • Profile picture of the author Klemen
    Hello Charles,

    i am in need of php programer that would need to build me websites from scratch,
    actually have one found already through onlinejobs.ph, but since you posted here I m open for additional options, specially if they are already proved;

    I sent you an email to your websites contact;

    best regards!

    Klemen
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    • Profile picture of the author magentawave
      I hired a VA in the Philipines about a month ago through a company I found on this forum. Not much has been accomplished in that month due to almost daily power outages and then there were two weeks off because of a family emergency he had to tend to.

      The other problem/challenge I'm having is actually teaching the guy how to do the stuff I need done. I created a bunch of short instructional videos but then found out that his internet connection is so slow that it takes forever to load the videos, so now I'm having to write everything out.

      I guess you can't except a whole lot for only $75.00 per month.

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author innovator
        Originally Posted by magentawave View Post

        I hired a VA in the Philipines about a month ago through a company I found on this forum. Not much has been accomplished in that month due to almost daily power outages and then there were two weeks off because of a family emergency he had to tend to.

        The other problem/challenge I'm having is actually teaching the guy how to do the stuff I need done. I created a bunch of short instructional videos but then found out that his internet connection is so slow that it takes forever to load the videos, so now I'm having to write everything out.

        I guess you can't except a whole lot for only $75.00 per month.

        Steve
        I thought they are working in an office and have a stable connection?
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        • Profile picture of the author magentawave
          Yeah, so did I.

          Originally Posted by innovator View Post

          I thought they are working in an office and have a stable connection?
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        • Profile picture of the author magentawave
          Sorry, I meant to say $75.00 per week full-time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Irishcopywriter
      Klemen,

      I used this guy before and offered him to my clients. His name is Quincy Pataboy, his skype is globalcreativedesigns, his website is the same .com. I know he does work in CSS, coding from scratch, so he may be able to help you with your designs. Email is info@ , yahoo is globalcreativedesigns, msn is info@. Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Klemen
    Hi Charles,

    Thank you, I ve spoke with Quincy, but since he is frontend developer, maybe you could recommend someone who does backend programming too?

    thank you,

    Klemen
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  • Profile picture of the author Philam
    Hey guys, newbie here. We are an outsourcing provider from the Philippines.

    This is just to give you an idea. If you would like to know more about how an outsourcing company works try visiting linkedin website. There you can read some recommendations from the clients or you can even ask them if you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author mithil
    For me it's always a two way business. You work with wrong people or right people is entirely on you as you select and decide to work with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Elliott
    Can someone please post a good outsourcing company? It seems very hard to find one. I have been trying to organise a part time VA for several weeks now, but keep getting messed around.
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    • Profile picture of the author tyroneshum
      Hi Aaron,

      Can someone please post a good outsourcing company? It seems very hard to find one. I have been trying to organise a part time VA for several weeks now, but keep getting messed around.
      I've been hiring people from the Philippines for a while and I use a VA company who has a team of VAs, which makes it much easier to manage and if anyone falls sick, then there's still backup VAs to help out.

      Here's her direct details and you can contact her anytime. She's been awesome and has provided me with numerous VAs and also my members have also used her as well.

      Rochelle Martinez
      CSVAS - Contact Services Virtual Assistant Solutions
      63 42-7313894
      ym: contactservices.vasolutions
      Email: contactservices.vasolutions@yahoo.com

      Hope this helps and also great to see other Australian's online too!
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      • Profile picture of the author firstdrum
        Originally Posted by tyroneshum View Post

        Hi Aaron,



        I've been hiring people from the Philippines for a while and I use a VA company who has a team of VAs, which makes it much easier to manage and if anyone falls sick, then there's still backup VAs to help out.

        Here's her direct details and you can contact her anytime. She's been awesome and has provided me with numerous VAs and also my members have also used her as well.

        Rochelle Martinez
        CSVAS - Contact Services Virtual Assistant Solutions
        63 42-7313894
        ym: contactservices.vasolutions
        Email: contactservices.vasolutions@yahoo.com

        Hope this helps and also great to see other Australian's online too!

        Tyrone, very nice set of videos on your site dealing with outsourcing! And just to add my 2 cent worth, I've been outsourcing to the Philippines for a year now (mainly because of the lower language gap to English), and have had a few bad experiences. But most of the people I've worked with have been very good. The key for me has been training. Just like having an employee work for you in your own office, you need to be prepared to teach them to do the job. Stress that you will be paying attention to details, they need to show up on time all the time. And you like working with people who have a good attitude about their job and they are willing to continually learn new things.

        Basically, let them know what you expect from them and be willing to start them on something smaller to get a feel for their abilities. This way you find out quickly what kind of person you're dealing with and can risk very little.
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      • Profile picture of the author magentawave
        I have a few questions about Rochelle Martinez's service and would really appreciate if you could answer them please...

        1) Are you affiliated with her company in any way?

        2) Have you found them to have reliable high-speed internet good enough that they can easily watch instructional videos without having to wait forever for the videos to buffer?

        3) Do they have reliable electrical power or are they always plagued with power outages?

        Thanks very much.
        Steve


        Originally Posted by tyroneshum View Post

        Hi Aaron,

        I've been hiring people from the Philippines for a while and I use a VA company who has a team of VAs, which makes it much easier to manage and if anyone falls sick, then there's still backup VAs to help out.

        Here's her direct details and you can contact her anytime. She's been awesome and has provided me with numerous VAs and also my members have also used her as well.

        Rochelle Martinez
        CSVAS - Contact Services Virtual Assistant Solutions
        63 42-7313894
        ym: contactservices.vasolutions
        Email: contactservices.vasolutions@yahoo.com

        Hope this helps and also great to see other Australian's online too!
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    • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
      Originally Posted by Aaron Elliott View Post

      Can someone please post a good outsourcing company? It seems very hard to find one. I have been trying to organise a part time VA for several weeks now, but keep getting messed around.
      You may want to try Lexorsoft.net - Link Building Services - Outsourcing Philippines , many members of warrior forum is using it already.

      We also providing fulltime VA if someone interested...
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Bloom
    Yes, I outsourced some article writing to the Philippines and liked the results, but I've screened several candidates until I found the ones I liked. Some things (really technical articles) I couldn't outsource.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
    You just have to work a bit on the hiring. Ask them about their setup and connection.

    Get them to complete some tasks for you as a (paid) trial.

    Accept the downsides (electricity and internet black outs, training required, cultural differences, language barriers) as well as the upsides (huge cost savings)
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    • Profile picture of the author magentawave
      Yeah that is true. You have to be able to chill if you're doing the third world VA thing or you will go nuts. I made the mistake at first about not asking about their setup and connection. I know better now. A paid trial is a very good idea too.

      Steve



      Originally Posted by Amanda_Davis View Post

      You just have to work a bit on the hiring. Ask them about their setup and connection.

      Get them to complete some tasks for you as a (paid) trial.

      Accept the downsides (electricity and internet black outs, training required, cultural differences, language barriers) as well as the upsides (huge cost savings)
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  • Profile picture of the author gtt
    Hello everyone.

    I'm sorry to be an intruder to this thread but I'd just like to inform everyone that might be interested in our outsourcing and other virtual assistance services that we cater. We're an American-led Filipino outsourcing company based here in Manila, Philippines. We have several SEO experts on board, ready to serve you and we're committed to do our best to make you a very happy customer!

    Should you consider us, we'd be glad to be working with you! Kindly visit our website (through my signature below) for further inquiries.

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  • Profile picture of the author dpavid
    I have had great success with my workers. If fact, they turned me here to this website. I also pay them very well and give them bonuses fast. They average about $450 per month each but crack out work fast and good. I'm happy with the amount of time and headache they save me monthly.
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  • Profile picture of the author VinceLaw
    I've had great experiences outsourcing work to the Philippines. I have been using Xoom.com to pay them but recently Xoom.com has stopped all non-USA credit cards from their service. This is the only problem I have faced when outsourcing to the Philippines.

    However, I have found local remittance services to the Philippines that have enabled me to send money to the Phillipines at a lower rate than Xoom.com and Western Union.

    If you are an American, you should have to deal with these payment problems but for everyone else, we just have to find other ways to pay them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Technologize
      I've just hired and fired my second assistant. I'm at the point where I'm going it Alone for a while.

      What I've found seems to be an occuring theme. The last assistant did things really well, which I enjoyed. However she would submit end of day reports to me at 4am. Take days off without notice. I asked her if everything was ok but she would give different excuses such As poor Internet, fogetting to pay Internet bill, etc.

      She disappeRed this week... Just stopped turning up for work.

      I feel a lot of young people take these online bAsed jobs thinking they'll love it, but they soon loose motivation and work quality And attendance drops out. Then come the excuses...

      I've carefully screened applicants but this same scenario keeps happening. I'm taking a break from hiring philippinos for a while. I've heard good things from others but in reality it hasn't worked out.
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      • Profile picture of the author magentawave
        I experienced the same thing with my first guy too. He disappeared for two weeks but they were always so vague when it came to explaining what happened or why. Then there were recurring problems with lousy internet access and constant power outages. It took the guy a full day just to download and install 2 programs! I had to let him go and am now with some place where I pay a bit more but it seems to be working although one of the tasks was to ping 10 pages/posts per day per 10 sites and the thing is that I really don't know of anyway to actually check to see if they did in fact do the job. I guess I just have to trust they did the task.

        Emails are a lame way to track this kind of stuff so I'm just now looking into getting some kind of online project management deal set up. I've looked at tons of them like Basecamp, etc. but might go with one that I own (no monthly fee's) like Big Mikes EZ Project Manager. What are you guys using?

        Steve



        Originally Posted by anteck View Post

        I've just hired and fired my second assistant. I'm at the point where I'm going it Alone for a while.

        What I've found seems to be an occuring theme. The last assistant did things really well, which I enjoyed. However she would submit end of day reports to me at 4am. Take days off without notice. I asked her if everything was ok but she would give different excuses such As poor Internet, fogetting to pay Internet bill, etc.

        She disappeRed this week... Just stopped turning up for work.

        I feel a lot of young people take these online bAsed jobs thinking they'll love it, but they soon loose motivation and work quality And attendance drops out. Then come the excuses...

        I've carefully screened applicants but this same scenario keeps happening. I'm taking a break from hiring philippinos for a while. I've heard good things from others but in reality it hasn't worked out.
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    • Profile picture of the author magentawave
      Paypal for paying has worked for both of the places I have dealt with in the Philippines.

      Steve


      Originally Posted by VincentL View Post

      I've had great experiences outsourcing work to the Philippines. I have been using Xoom.com to pay them but recently Xoom.com has stopped all non-USA credit cards from their service. This is the only problem I have faced when outsourcing to the Philippines.

      However, I have found local remittance services to the Philippines that have enabled me to send money to the Phillipines at a lower rate than Xoom.com and Western Union.

      If you are an American, you should have to deal with these payment problems but for everyone else, we just have to find other ways to pay them.
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    I have found several decent , hard working people at Find a real, online job! | Home

    it is worth having a look

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  • Profile picture of the author Gravc
    When it comes to outsourcing I stick to the same person for writing articles. She costs a bit more but her writing makes sense.

    When it comes to design I also stick to paying a bit more and working with somebody I know and trust with the task.

    If I am outsourcing anything that doesnt require any creativity or much thought I prepare clear written or videos instructions and hand the job to the cheapest bidder!!!

    It's very unlikely that you will ever find one person to do all tasks. I'm not pre-judging any nationality but if you are having articles written it's probably best to choose somebody that is from the same country as your readers! Not just because of language but there are differences in culture and slang to consider too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
    Here is a HUGE important thing to know: when you employ someone, even if you tell them it's "full time" they will almost certainly be working for someone else as well.

    I've spoken with several potential employees who have admitted they planned to do 8hrs per day for me after their other office-based job (i.e. starting at 7pm)

    You CAN get really cheap workers in the Philippines but if you try to be too cheap, this is what you'll get!

    A lot of workers get health and transport benefits from their office jobs, so you need to pay them extra to cover those if you don't want them to keep their job.
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  • I have tried a couple of different ways to outsource to the Philippines with some success.

    First I put an add in Craig's list for an article writer in the Philippines and got several reply's. Many of them had good writing skills, but little internet experience or knowledge. I was looking for someone who could post on 3 blogs daily with enough internet knowledge to do a little research. I found one lady that did an outstanding job, but only lasted a couple of months. She found that she didn't have the time to do the job longer term.

    The next time I went through ODesk and found that to be much more successful. You have many applicants to choose from and they all have to pass certain tests to qualify. You will find applicants from all over the world and for a variety of wages.

    I hope this is helpful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Technologize
    I was using Thymer, which is simple, easy, and effective for small teams.

    I tried basecamp, active collab and a bunch of others, and it was major overkill and too much to setup.

    Checkout thymer, it rocks...

    One thing i would absolutely recommend for outsourcing, is to make it a condition of contract that the worker is ALWAYS logged onto skype or Gtalk when working. I found as soon as i asked my worker to do this, they disappeared. Some digging on the internet (a simple search for her name) found her twitter account, where i found here updates revealed working till the early hours of the morning from a coffee shop... or hey boyfriends place... and taking days trips to visit friends... all when she was meant to be working.

    One thing i cannot stand is the lying. From my experience, it seems commonplace for these workers to lie about what they are doing. That really ticks me off. I'm flexible, pay bonus, good hourly rate... holiday and sick pay... and in return i'm being lied to about all kinds of things.


    Sorry, but from my experience i cannot recommend philippino's for this reason. Yup, it's only based on my experience, so YMMV
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    • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
      That is the advantage of using Company instead of getting freelancers. If you choose freelancers you need to supervise them.

      If you hire a VA from a company they have their own supervisors to supervise them, and all staff are in one place easy to monitor. One more advantage of hiring VA from company is that you can request for replacement of your VA any time if he or she is not meet your requirements.

      But I disagree with your comment that you can not trust Filipinos, maybe there are some that are dishonest, but most of Filipino workers are honest.


      Originally Posted by anteck View Post

      I was using Thymer, which is simple, easy, and effective for small teams.

      I tried basecamp, active collab and a bunch of others, and it was major overkill and too much to setup.

      Checkout thymer, it rocks...

      One thing i would absolutely recommend for outsourcing, is to make it a condition of contract that the worker is ALWAYS logged onto skype or Gtalk when working. I found as soon as i asked my worker to do this, they disappeared. Some digging on the internet (a simple search for her name) found her twitter account, where i found here updates revealed working till the early hours of the morning from a coffee shop... or hey boyfriends place... and taking days trips to visit friends... all when she was meant to be working.

      One thing i cannot stand is the lying. From my experience, it seems commonplace for these workers to lie about what they are doing. That really ticks me off. I'm flexible, pay bonus, good hourly rate... holiday and sick pay... and in return i'm being lied to about all kinds of things.


      Sorry, but from my experience i cannot recommend philippino's for this reason. Yup, it's only based on my experience, so YMMV
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      • Profile picture of the author Technologize
        Originally Posted by edpudol1973 View Post

        That is the advantage of using Company instead of getting freelancers. If you choose freelancers you need to supervise them.

        If you hire a VA from a company they have their own supervisors to supervise them, and all staff are in one place easy to monitor. One more advantage of hiring VA from company is that you can request for replacement of your VA any time if he or she is not meet your requirements.

        But I disagree with your comment that you can not trust Filipinos, maybe there are some that are dishonest, but most of Filipino workers are honest.
        Do you own or run such a company? Unfortunately. you can disagree as much as you like on the 'honesty factor' but it doesn't change the impression i've gotten in my own experiences. It seems to be that others have had similar experiences as well.
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    • One of the things I like about ODesk is the ability to pay on a project basis rather than hourly. That way you don't have to worry about what they do with their time. You can also read their history and what their former employers thought of them. I don't think the Philippine people are any more prone to lying than anyone else. It is an individual thing rather than a complete cultural thing, in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doctore
    In my opinion, its really up to the way we work, our experience in outsourcing and managing staff (even better if you've managed remote staff), and overall project management experience. Our work style may fit best with a freelancer model, whereas some of us might like working with a firm that can supply VAs.

    I've done both for several years, and I know the type of work I'll send to freelancers versus sending to a firm.

    However, one thing I'd like to bring up is that generalizing that you "cant trust Filipinos" is just not right. I often hear the same thing about Indians, Russians, Vietnamese, and even Americans (ohh nooo..)... bottom line, don't generalize a whole country just because of one bad freelancer that you most likely hired for $1 - $2 bucks an hour, whom you probably never met, and didnt bother to check references..

    I personally have worked with Filipinos, and have had way more positive experiences than negative ones..

    The funny thing is I actually work in Asia, and one of the things I often hear is that tech companies out here are a bit apprehensive about hiring Americans... why?? because they are lazy..

    By the way, I've personally used edpudol1973's firm Luxorsoft.net, and I'd recommend them to anyone..
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    • Profile picture of the author Technologize
      Originally Posted by Doctore View Post

      In my opinion, its really up to the way we work, our experience in outsourcing and managing staff (even better if you've managed remote staff), and overall project management experience. Our work style may fit best with a freelancer model, whereas some of us might like working with a firm that can supply VAs.

      I've done both for several years, and I know the type of work I'll send to freelancers versus sending to a firm.

      However, one thing I'd like to bring up is that generalizing that you "cant trust Filipinos" is just not right. I often hear the same thing about Indians, Russians, Vietnamese, and even Americans (ohh nooo..)... bottom line, don't generalize a whole country just because of one bad freelancer that you most likely hired for $1 - $2 bucks an hour, whom you probably never met, and didnt bother to check references..

      I personally have worked with Filipinos, and have had way more positive experiences than negative ones..

      The funny thing is I actually work in Asia, and one of the things I often hear is that tech companies out here are a bit apprehensive about hiring Americans... why?? because they are lazy..

      By the way, I've personally used edpudol1973's firm Luxorsoft.net, and I'd recommend them to anyone..
      Go & read my posts again. I'm saying this is based on MY EXPERIENCES. Did you understand that?

      As for your other comments, i'm not american, i paid more then $2 per hour (+ holiday, + sick pay + bonuses), i checked references and screened carefully. Who's generalizing here?

      I'll stand by my experiences and trust my intuition, thanks very much. I'm sure the readers here are quite capable of making up their own minds. Nothing is ever black or white. Nothing is ever completely right or wrong. Making such statements are simply inaccurate. As i said in my last post, YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary)
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  • Profile picture of the author Technologize
    Here's where i think the problem lies.

    If you look at most applicants on bestjobs.ph, they're young kids between 19-24.

    They think 'woohoo', home job, it will be cruisy. They've had friends tell them 'hey, that work rocks, you can do things in your own time... work from home'

    They are always motivated to start off with (I've had some great paid trial results) and everything seems great. Initial work is high quality and done well.

    Things get a bit mundane for them. They get sick of working from home. They start to take time off to get out of the house. They're not used to not interacting with others in a normal office.

    Work quality drops. They feel unmotivated. Employer is frustrating, wondering why work quality and ethic is dropping.

    Employee quits, disappears, and or gets fired.

    & To those who think it's the 'employers fault'...

    I spent hours making easy to use manuals with loads of screenshots.
    I setup a great, easy to use project management system
    I sent up systems to make things as easy as possible for the employee
    I motivated them with a payday bonus if work was high quality & done well
    I paid out sick leave, holiday pay (13th month, paid biannually)

    My first assistant was OK. She was slow to start off with, but i wonder if thats because i gave her too many hours to do things. It got to the point where it was obvious she was just not working half the time, and taking longer and longer to do things. She had good references. I fired her because she was clearly lying to me about how long things took to get done (if anything people get quicker to do the same task, not slower!)

    My second assistant was top notch, high qualty, much faster. But soon after she began working with me, the wierd stories and excuses started. Too almost every friday off, with a different excuse every time. She used the 'i forgot to pay the internet bill' twice, which is clearly BS.

    Then she got sick, which i believe actually happened, however she was submitting reports to me at 4AM Manilla time, which i questioned her on. That cannot be healthy for anyone & could be why she got sick.

    Then, she would take odd days off, and not tell me. She would catch up... but wouldn't reply to my emails asking why she didn't work.

    Eventually she disappeared. I found out on her twitter she had gone to the city for a few days, and just didn't bother to tell me.

    I warned her a few weeks before firing her that she needed to pick things up. She never responded to that either. One thing i've found constant is that, in my experience, philippinos avoid confrontation and for me this is huge downfall. If i've got a problem, i'll voice it to see what resolution can be reached.

    However, i've always gotten the 'sorry, i won't happen again'... and guess what... it happens again, and again.

    Dont' take this as gospel, but i swear that the general view on these jobs for philippinos is that online based home base jobs are 'easy, cruisy' and a good standby, or extra job for easy cash. Work ethic is variable, as is attendance and general attitude. Yep, they're hard working, yep they're better then other countries with similar economies, but they are not without faults.

    All this BS that they are the 'next best thing' is just Hype, usually pedalled by people who are directly invested in making money.
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    • Profile picture of the author batchos
      Anteck,

      It doesn't matter if people believe you, those are your experiences. I can believe much of what you wrote because I have similar experiences.
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
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    The Philippines has a population of over 90 million people. Please avoid generalizations, either positive or negative, about a country based upon experience with only a handful of people.

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  • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
    Like I said, it's common for them to have more than one "full time" job (I don't believe they're trying to rip you off - I believe they want to work hard)

    Which is why you will get replies at 4am Manila time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Technologize
      Originally Posted by Amanda_Davis View Post

      Like I said, it's common for them to have more than one "full time" job (I don't believe they're trying to rip you off - I believe they want to work hard)

      Which is why you will get replies at 4am Manila time.
      If that's the case...hypothetically...

      Then they are lying, which supports my earlier statement.I've asked both workers if they had another job, or are going to school. The reply ... 'No'. Actually, my first assistant started going to school every friday, just before i gave her the flick. She told me. I gave her the day off. No problem. I didn't fire her for that. I fired her because it was clear she was getting slower and slower to do the same task, 6 months after she started...

      I'm very flexible, open and encourage transparency with my workers. I have a writer in the US, he is late, he can't make the articles on time, then he tells me, no problem. But being lied to is just not on, whatever the circumstance.

      ANother thing... So when do they sleep? That's just unhealthy. Nobody can output quality work when they are working two jobs, and sleeping what... 3 hours a night?

      Seriously, that's a recipie for trouble. I would never accept that they work two jobs, if they are both full-time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doctore
    anteck,

    It's too bad that you had bad experiences, my whole point in replying was to highlight that people have bad experiences everywhere.. not just the Philippines.

    As for me, I've had great experiences with teams I've used in PH, especially in Davao. I'm also really high on Vietnam, specifically Hanoi. Other places you might want to look is Malaysia and SG (although the costs are a bit high).

    I will usually use a firm for technical work, since these types of projects require the use of formal software development best practices (Requirements Management, Software Project Planning, Software Project Tracking & Oversight, QA, etc......), and will use freelancers/VAs for work such as link building, article writing, etc.

    However, this is just my own personal preference and what works for me, may not necessarily work for you or someone else.. which is why I cringe when I see programs such as Outsource Force advice people to stay away from outsourcing firms.
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    • Profile picture of the author fypnlp
      Atneck,

      It’s unfortunate that you have had such a bad experience with the person that you have hired from the Philippines. Such things can definitely have a lasting effect. Additionally many people on this forum have had similar experience.

      However, the difference is this…. no one has made (to my knowledge) the comment ‘i cannot recommend philippino's for this reason…

      A rather provocative comment to say the least. And can be construed to be a sweeping statement about ‘all the people of that region’, which may or not have been your intention when you wrote it.

      Have met every single VA working in this region? :confused:

      No, you were unlucky to hire with a VA who didn’t unfortunately live up to your expectations. Hiring someone who turns out be ‘rubbish’ is a problem everyone faces the world over – not just the Philippines.

      When you hire a freelance those are the risks you take - and I’m not telling you anything that you don’t already know.

      So maybe it’s better to stick to facts than just shoot from the hip about ‘phillipinos’.

      I personally can 100% vouch for Edpudol1973 company Lexorsoft, I’ve outsourced to their company for over a year. They have been nothing but honest, professional, courteous and willing to go the extra mile to help me. If I’ve been unhappy about a task (which is rare) they have gone out their way to make me happy.

      That’s why I like using an outsourcing company because unlike using a freelancer your worker is locally answerable to someone in the region and if you’re VA doesn’t work out there is always someone else in the wings.

      So I will continue work in this region in the future. So I’m going present the equally true argument that those ‘Hiring a VA from the Philippines can be a great experience’, because I’ve found them honest and trustworthy’.

      Make of that what you will.
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  • Profile picture of the author Technologize
    I don't know how many times i can stipulate this is based on 'my experiences'. I think i've said it three times now. Why do some of you keep re-interpreting my experiences as 'generalisations'?

    I can only state it so many times.

    How you interpret what i've experienced is up to you, it's not my responsibility.

    This is a forum right? A place for different people's opinions, experiences and perspectives?

    I have a right to voice my opinions here, and i won't hold back because some of you think i'm referencing things on a global basis, when in reality i'm just another person with one experience.

    In reality, the best facts anyone has to hand is their own experiences. This is where i'm coming from. I find it surprising that some of you are offended by this, as it's very obvious to me, and i think to anyone with some half decent reasoning skills.

    Your perspectives that 'the philippino VA's are honest, and hard working' is as equally valid, and as equally bias as any other statement. Just because your statements are in a positive light, and mine are not, does not make you any less or more right about anything.

    fypnlp : I stand by what i said. Like i said, what you make of it is up to you. If you look through this thread there are many people saying 'it didn't work for me, i wouldn't recommend it'. Go have a look for yourself. Check the thread before you ask me to check my facts. I actually described at length that i have had TWO assistants. Doesn't sound like you read my last post in this thread. Who's quick to shoot from the hip here?

    Yes, there are good and bad people everywhere. Yes i think philippinos are probably the best of the bunch based on what i've read. But who knows? I surely can't make that statement for everyone, and i'm not trying to. I'm providing YET ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE. Can you people understand that? I hope so.

    There is a LOT of hype at the moment, and a LOT of bold, bias and generalization being made that 'Philippinos are great, hard working, the best place to outsource'. Hell, it's being sold like wildfire by Jon Jonas, and now a handful of other IM 'Guru's'. What i'm doing here is going against the tide... and highlighting what i've found. Nothing is ever black and white.


    Thanks for all your input, suggestions, and comments. I think hiring VA's in a firm is a much better idea, as they have a workplace, a routine set in, and some supervision.

    & For the last time, YMMV (Your Miliage May Vary). I won't say that again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Katz
      Thank you all for your great input!

      I am having problems with my Ph worker and its wearing me down.........sigh.........still not sure what to do??
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      • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
        Originally Posted by Katz View Post

        Thank you all for your great input!

        I am having problems with my Ph worker and its wearing me down.........sigh.........still not sure what to do??
        Give them feedback. Tell them what you need doing and how and why they're not performing as you need them to. Ask them how they plan to improve - and give them a deadline for doing so (i.e. say "we will re-evaluate in 2 weeks")

        If they don't improve, let them go.

        But you should DEFINITELY go through the above points first.

        Too many people think it's always the fault of "lazy workers" but it is often also a problem of inexperienced managers (you) and a lack of communication.

        Think about it... if you had someone working for you in an office, you would speak to them many many times a day. Yet people leave their outsourced workers for days without speaking to them.
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  • most filipinos are hardworker and because of currency value in the Philippines most likely they try their best to keep the job
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    Katz,

    Just fire them!
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  • Profile picture of the author mydavis3
    Great Thread and some great post. I learned a lot here.

    Thanks All
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    • Profile picture of the author Katz
      Thank you for all your input, but now I'm living the outsourcers nightmare I think.

      My sites gone.....:confused:

      And yes I am technologically challenged...........lol.

      Am trying to contact my outsourcer but to no luck. I was going to fire them but thought I should maybe ask them to explain themselves (again) before I took the drastic measure. I changed all my passwords to be on the safe side.......mmmmm........

      Can I ask some really pointed questions to the others that have outsources in the phillipines?

      Here goes

      Do they have frequent power outages?
      Is it usual for them to take a long time to do tasks? like days to find two photos (even with thier slow internet conections)?
      Would your workers ask you for money to fix there computer?
      When you ask for original content(more than once) Do you get it?
      These are just a few of many questions but Im a bit rattled at the moment.
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      • Profile picture of the author OutsourceToolbox
        Originally Posted by Katz View Post

        Can I ask some really pointed questions to the others that have outsources in the phillipines?

        Do they have frequent power outages?
        Is it usual for them to take a long time to do tasks? like days to find two photos (even with thier slow internet conections)?
        Would your workers ask you for money to fix there computer?
        When you ask for original content(more than once) Do you get it?
        These are just a few of many questions but Im a bit rattled at the moment.
        Yes, outages can be common, especially outside of the major cities and during or after bad weather. This is not your problem however, and they should be prepared to make up for lost time.

        A long time to do tasks is (generally) a poor worker.

        Ask for money to fix the PC? I smell a scam.

        If you ask for something you should get it. Original content, an article re-write, a new Wordpress install or whatever. It doesn't matter. YOU are the boss and if you are not in control then THEY will be.

        In short, no one single thing alone can cause you to label an employee or contractor as bad. A pattern of behavior or repeated problems is your best guide. If you have clearly made your task and deadline requirements known then it is time to cut them loose - right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author wallabyinoz
    I employ people in the Philippines and the first thing you have to come to grips with is their culture. Their values are different to people in the Western world. It is a shame that people in the Western world (me included) don't have the same values that they do.

    I no longer employ people in the Philippines who have any internet marketing experience at all. The only people I employ are people who have no experience at all. This way you can teach them to do things the way you want them to. This may cost you money in the short term but you are also helping out somebody who needs money. It is not all about getting rich by using slave labor.

    I also give them work that will take them months to get through. Job security is very important to them. Some of my workers I have created contracts with a guarantee of 5 years work. It is important to stipulate that they only work for you. If they need extra money to do this, then so be it. But it is worth it.

    Many people from the Philippines who are looking for work online also have degrees from University. They just can't find a job in their field. What I try to do with them is to create a website that utilizes their expertise. I find this keeps them interested in their job.

    Maybe I am lucky but I have only had to fire 1 worker.
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    • Profile picture of the author plainwords
      I now employ two full time workers in the Philippines. One is a brilliant graphic designer who can also code his designs into nice clean CSS/HTML and also can code a design to Joomla. He is worth his weight in gold to me. He's 30 years old, married with a young child, so is wanting a stable, long term job without having to move to Manila (he's in a small city and likes living there.) So it's a win-win for both him and me. I pay him $800 a month, which is a middle class income in the Philippines.

      My other employee is a web developer who is skilled with PHP, wordpress, joomla etc and can do pretty much anything I throw at him. He's 24 and single (lives with his widowed mother and the $800 a month I pay him is their only income.) My only complaint is that in his town the power and Internet seem to go down quite often, so he disappears for a day every now and then. But he's a loyal and conscientious worker and will work his butt off to do what I ask him.

      I had to fire a couple of other philippinos before finding these two gems... due to a lack of skills in one case and poor work ethic in the other. But overall I've had a very positive experience with the Philippines. And it's nice that both my empoyees call me 'sir' :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author BobV
        Originally Posted by plainwords View Post

        I now employ two full time workers in the Philippines. One is a brilliant graphic designer who can also code his designs into nice clean CSS/HTML and also can code a design to Joomla. He is worth his weight in gold to me. He's 30 years old, married with a young child, so is wanting a stable, long term job without having to move to Manila (he's in a small city and likes living there.) So it's a win-win for both him and me. I pay him $800 a month, which is a middle class income in the Philippines.

        My other employee is a web developer who is skilled with PHP, wordpress, joomla etc and can do pretty much anything I throw at him. He's 24 and single (lives with his widowed mother and the $800 a month I pay him is their only income.) My only complaint is that in his town the power and Internet seem to go down quite often, so he disappears for a day every now and then. But he's a loyal and conscientious worker and will work his butt off to do what I ask him.

        I had to fire a couple of other philippinos before finding these two gems... due to a lack of skills in one case and poor work ethic in the other. But overall I've had a very positive experience with the Philippines. And it's nice that both my empoyees call me 'sir' :-)
        Hi plainwords,

        I´m just curious from where do you have the information that $800 per month is a middle class income in the Philippines.

        The gross national income in 2008 was $ 1890 per year.
        (source worldbank.org)
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        • Profile picture of the author madzseo
          Originally Posted by BobV View Post

          Hi plainwords,

          I´m just curious from where do you have the information that $800 per month is a middle class income in the Philippines.

          The gross national income in 2008 was $ 1890 per year.
          (source worldbank.org)

          Hi,

          I would agree with plainwords that $800 is the average middle class income in the Philippines - probably even more. I think I am from the lower middle class - we have 2 cars - a german car and a japanese car, our own house, a couple of investment properties, we go on vacation abroad every once in a while that kind of middle class. Growing up I remember that my father's salary is about $1500 and I think we would be considered as the poor middle class. (A Honda City which is an average middle class family car costs about $20,000 and you probably won't be approved for a car loan if your salary is less than $800).

          People from the middle class are probably middle management or own their own business.

          Now the average income of the average employee is less than that probably about $200/month - college graduate, working administrative/clerical job.

          Below is the salary of employees at a regular Business Process Outsourcing company here:

          Data Entry: $250-280
          SEO (about 1 yr exeperience): $400-430
          SEO Specialist: $530-800
          Web Designer (entry level): $350-400
          Link Building: $300
          Virtual Assistant: $300
          Customer Support: $250-300

          There are other BPO companies that offer lower or higher salaries but I think that's the average rate for most companies.
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          • Profile picture of the author madzseo
            Oh and to those saying that people in the Philippines work two jobs..I think that happens everywhere even in the US. Especially when the economy is not so good, people do what they can to make ends meet.

            I mean a lot of people here at WF probably started with internet marketing as a side job too. There are some who probably still have their day jobs and that is the reason why they hire virtual assistants to help with their internet marketing business. So I don't think it should be a problem so long as they are able to do their jobs well.
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  • Profile picture of the author dpavid
    i must be lucky too to have two great employees. one thing i have them do daily is fill out my daily report on my website. They know if they do not fill out the form, they will not get paid for the day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Katz
    Yes I did the daily report thind as well as a detailed invoice each week. Which I paid promptly. I really think I am being scammed now. This is my latest email....

    Mam,

    Thanks for the email and password, I'll have to check it Mam, what happen to the site, just, one favor Mam, I need to pay my electric bill, can I have my salary for last week work done Mam, that I can continue working by tomorrow Mam May 17, 2010.

    Hoping for your kind consideration again Mam.

    Best Regards,

    I have emailed hime and asked for his invoice......again. It will be interesting as he only worked 1.5 days last week because his computer blew up and he wanted me to pay for that too. He has worked for me for 4 weeks now.

    Does anyone get these type of emails?
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
    Katz - you need to look for a better worker, period. Ask yourself one simple question. If you knew what you know now about this worker, would you hire him again? We both know the answer here.

    Find someone else and move on. Follow the advice in this thread for better luck next time.
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  • Profile picture of the author fypnlp
    katz, you also have consider writing particular clauses in your contract with your outsourced employee that are non negotiable and would be grounds for dismissal for non compliance.

    Additionally if you have a VA make them work a 1 month trial payable on performance (with weekly payments based on hitting particular targets) before hiring them full time. If they are rubbish you can both walk away. If they are great- pay them a surprise bonus.
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    • Profile picture of the author batchos
      Katz,

      It's a tough call, especially when you try to deal compassionately with another human being.

      Earlier this year I hired a VA. The first week I gave her 3 assignments but she didn't do any. In fact, I didn't hear from her for about a week.

      I then wrote a tersed email telling her I was about to fire her.

      Her response: I am sorry but I had to rest my eyes because my astigmatism flared up.

      I didn't fire her because I was only paying when she logged in to Odesk's system to do my work.

      Anyway, because I have eye problems that can blur my vision for a few hours, I decided to give her another chance.

      I drafted a project and she agreed to have it done quickly. Since agreeing to do the project, I haven't heard from her.

      It's a judgment call and you should allow your intuition to guide you.
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  • Profile picture of the author fypnlp
    katz

    You have a choice. You can hire an outsource VA yourself and have the hassles of dealing with them or you can hire an outsourcing company (I'm sure there are Philippines outsource companies have left responses on this thread- but you will have to read through).

    If you have hire an independent VA like I said add clauses in your contract that are subject for dismissal if they are not fulfilled (I know john jonas blog as has good free stuff about that). Make sure they do a performance based trial (where they are paid weekly), and be tough on your VA if you have to be.

    This is your business and livelihood-that requires you being tough when necessary.
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    • Profile picture of the author magentawave
      Unless I misunderstood him, I found it interesting that in John Reese's latest product launch about outsourcing that he recommends that you NOT hire an outsourcing company.

      Steve


      Originally Posted by fypnlp View Post

      katz

      You have a choice. You can hire an outsource VA yourself and have the hassles of dealing with them or you can hire an outsourcing company (I'm sure there are Philippines outsource companies have left responses on this thread- but you will have to read through).

      If you have hire an independent VA like I said add clauses in your contract that are subject for dismissal if they are not fulfilled (I know john jonas blog as has good free stuff about that). Make sure they do a performance based trial (where they are paid weekly), and be tough on your VA if you have to be.

      This is your business and livelihood-that requires you being tough when necessary.
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      • Profile picture of the author fypnlp
        Originally Posted by magentawave View Post

        Unless I misunderstood him, I found it interesting that in John Reese's latest product launch about outsourcing that he recommends that you NOT hire an outsourcing company.

        Steve
        No offense? It's not exactly unbiased balanced view point is it.

        There's room for everything every opinion in this discussion.

        John Reese perspective really has no consequence for my experience and what my findings have been. I ultimately use them for web design, linking services and SEO. As long as you give them clear instructions (using screen capture software) its been fine.


        Apples and oranges really.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedan
    I have been working in the Philippines for 4.5 years now, and I'm from Texas. I have setup successful companies before and am working on an SEO services BPO now. Anyways, to let you know what I have found out:

    - Watch out for excuses. You will get LOTS of reasons and BS why a job was not done or why the person could not show up on time. If it happens regularly, get rid of them. (ie: Vertigo, astigmatism, migraines etc.)

    - Lot's of people will BS to get the job and not be able to do it. Make sure you have a good screening process to test their skills before hiring.

    - Don't pay advances or money before work is done. People will take it and run, and/or a precedent gets set that you will advance/loan money and you will be asked again, repeatedly. Don't do it once.

    Just some things I've learned =)
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    • Profile picture of the author batchos
      Thanks, Dan

      LOL

      Originally Posted by thedan View Post

      I have been working in the Philippines for 4.5 years now, and I'm from Texas. I have setup successful companies before and am working on an SEO services BPO now. Anyways, to let you know what I have found out:

      - Watch out for excuses. You will get LOTS of reasons and BS why a job was not done or why the person could not show up on time. If it happens regularly, get rid of them. (ie: Vertigo, astigmatism, migraines etc.)

      - Lot's of people will BS to get the job and not be able to do it. Make sure you have a good screening process to test their skills before hiring.

      - Don't pay advances or money before work is done. People will take it and run, and/or a precedent gets set that you will advance/loan money and you will be asked again, repeatedly. Don't do it once.

      Just some things I've learned =)
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  • Profile picture of the author Katz
    Hi all again!! LOL

    fypnlp- Yes, may look into the pro's and con's of an outsourcing company and yep and I have been following John Jonas. I like his no nonsense approach.
    Thedan- yep think I relied to much on the online jobs dot ph testing to much
    Alex Miller- Hi there, I already have Replace Myself and have followed the directions and tips.
    Chris Thompson- Thank you so much for your input ...because yes I have actually been asking myself that for the last two weeks.........Someone just slap meeeeee!!!
    So to all of you I did actually let Mr go.....but I think he may be a bit upset as my site has disappeared and a warning message replaced......and I don’t have a faintest idea on how to fix this one...........oh man ......grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Not Happy Jan! (this is an Australian saying)
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    • Profile picture of the author fypnlp
      Originally Posted by Katz View Post

      Hi all again!! LOL

      fypnlp- Yes, may look into the pro's and con's of an outsourcing company and yep and I have been following John Jonas. I like his no nonsense approach.
      Thedan- yep think I relied to much on the online jobs dot ph testing to much
      Alex Miller- Hi there, I already have Replace Myself and have followed the directions and tips.
      Chris Thompson- Thank you so much for your input ...because yes I have actually been asking myself that for the last two weeks.........Someone just slap meeeeee!!!
      So to all of you I did actually let Mr go.....but I think he may be a bit upset as my site has disappeared and a warning message replaced......and I don’t have a faintest idea on how to fix this one...........oh man ......grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Not Happy Jan! (this is an Australian saying)
      speak to your hosting company they may be able to help. My sister had a site hacked a few weeks ago. They were great. Aslo check if you can access your control panel because you many be able to take the message down yourself.

      Another queston, do you have the orginals of the website? *text and pictures*. Depending how complex it was you might be able to throw up a quick basic version of your original site...if you don't and they have everything connected to yoursite....well, your in the poo.

      Well, actually your not, fresh engergy from a new site design might be a good thing. there are some 'warriors for hire' on this site who will do a great a resdesign for a great price.

      Your VA actions just show 'what a lucky escape' you had. To quote Mr T 'I pity the fool' who hire's him next. How unprofessional and petty!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author Katz
        Originally Posted by fypnlp View Post

        ....well, your in the poo.


        Your VA actions just show 'what a lucky escape' you had. To quote Mr T 'I pity the fool' who hire's him next. How unprofessional and petty!!!

        Nope Nope not meeeee I'm all clear!! Have done my first seek, search and un-destroy. Hehehe have all fixed troublesome horrible little mans actions....No poo here!!! Yay!
        Have fired little mans horrible little butt with professionalism and tact. And feeling very relieved about it. It will be a little while however before I will go down the full time outsourcers route again. But I will as I am woman not a machine and need to get a life....away from the tap tap scroll scroll of her beloved computer.

        Thank you all once again, especially you fypnlp.
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        • Profile picture of the author fypnlp
          Originally Posted by Katz View Post

          Nope Nope not meeeee I’m all clear!! Have done my first seek, search and un-destroy. Hehehe have all fixed troublesome horrible little mans actions....No poo here!!! Yay!
          Have fired little mans horrible little butt with professionalism and tact. And feeling very relieved about it. It will be a little while however before I will go down the full time outsourcers route again. But I will as I am woman not a machine and need to get a life....away from the tap tap scroll scroll of her beloved computer.

          Thank you all once again, especially you fypnlp.
          katz pm'd you. hope it makes sense. I think quicker than I type sometimes! it's such an annoying habit

          oh, your former va must have been terrrible...can't even sabotage your site properly...really you can't get the help these days!
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelbnielsen
    They are inexpensive and can be a fine. However as more than one here have mentioned you really need to find the right guys/girls.

    My experience tells me that is hard and I even have inside help. My wife is from Philippines and educated on one of the best institutions for IT education in all of Philippines.

    My advise would be to get a fixed price for the job. Be very specific with your specification as you should not expect them to think for themselves. They tend to deliver exactly what you tell them, not more, not less. You missed something and it will not be there.

    And if you do find a real gem, keep them as they can be real good. Just too many pretenders in between.

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  • Profile picture of the author jackmiloto
    i've seen bestjobs.ph to be a good place to look for Filipino VA's
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    • Profile picture of the author fypnlp
      Originally Posted by jackmiloto View Post

      i've seen bestjobs.ph to be a good place to look for Filipino VA's

      Last year you couldn't register with bestjobs.ph if you came from the US or the EU. That might be still be the case.
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  • Profile picture of the author nettech
    I've used a few people from the Phillipines for article writing and although the level of English is quite good, I wouldn't use anyone from there to write website content. The articles I've had back just aren't good quality from someone who is a native and you CAN tell that the person writing does not have English as their first language.

    Saying that, I haven't tried any other servies but I've heard that link building etc are also very good. I will try that. I also use oDesk which is very good.

    Just my 2 cents!
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  • Profile picture of the author johndetlefs
    Hey guys... i'm pretty new to the outsourcing to the Philippines thing, but I've trialled 3 different VA's over the last couple of days, and they've all disappeared during the first day.

    I prepaid one for a days work because they were worried about not getting paid, and they skipped town (kind of ironic really), and the other 2 just disappeared.

    I have noticed that the ones that i've interviewed have all balked at being on skype during the hours of work (9am to 5pm Philippines time) as they've all said that they're night people or "nocturnal" (seriously, one said that she's nocturnal).

    My fiance is vietnamese and she says that a lot of the shops are open until 10 - 11pm at night, so maybe it's just the culture to work later rather than earlier?

    Not sure, but this is turning into a frustrating game to play.

    This "disappearing" thing without coming back with any feedback is a killer...

    I think there is understandably some cynicism on their behalf as well... they know that they are cheap labour, and i've heard a lot of stories about being ripped of after doing a months work...

    Not sure where to go from here... i'll just keep plugging away!
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    • Profile picture of the author magentawave
      They are "nocturnal" because they probably have day jobs. Just curious, what was the task you attempted to have them do for you?

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      • Profile picture of the author johndetlefs
        Steve,

        I tried to start easy and asked her to find 10 dinner recipes that were "Zone" friendly (after a diet called the The Zone Diet) and put them into a Word document.

        After about 5 hours I asked how it was going and she said she should have it done by the end of the day.

        I queried this and she said that she thought i wanted her to write an article about it (plausible, i guess) and so i showed her exactly what i was after.

        I got a word file about 4 hours later with copied and pasted recipes (exactly what i was after, which was good) and then never heard from her again.

        I still paid her the daily rate that i'd offered, but i haven't heard from her since...

        And I sent her several emails about "if you have any questions, just let me know, always happy to help etc" but they didn't seem to help.

        I've got one that keeps messaging me and she's desperate for a job but i don't think she has the skills that I need (CSS/Wordpress - Thesis Theme), but i'm considering hiring her anyway.. i've got a lot of work on at the mo, and am getting a little desperate!

        So finding a good VA isn't a walk in the park, but i'm hoping that when I find a good one, it'll have been worth the wait!

        John
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  • Profile picture of the author dpasive
    The Philippines offers a wide array of talented people who can help you make money for a fraction of the regular cost. Check you can check out this great site for great articles and other SEO services. OM me for details
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    • Profile picture of the author leanfang
      Hi All

      I've been wondering where the best place to post this was so maybe it is here.

      Hopefully I can help someone here as I reluctantly need to give up my Filipino VA who has been with me over a year and I have trained in many different parts of IM.

      Now to be clear I want her to go to a good home as she is a lovely girl and I want her to be well looked after. NB I am making no money from this.

      My business model is changing and I just don't need her full time any more as I am not mass producing sites or backlinking like I was.

      A brief rundown on her skills is below:
      Wordpress blog building inc:
      plug ins
      themes
      adding forms
      adding adsense
      etc
      Blooger blog building

      Mini site design / HTML knowedge
      she knows all the types of pages needed and what is on a download page etc - she can do all the set up and make sure it all works.

      Link building / traffic generation

      Article directories and submissions - knows ezine articles .com really well etc and can submit articles and knows about approval etc.

      Software - lots used incl. incansoft / big mike tools - she has these to use e.g. socialbot, etc

      Link wheel / pyramid building -she can do this

      Google predator System - has recently been trained on the brand new Google Predator system.

      Keyword research - she knows the tools and concepts to look for.

      directory submission - another skill

      Basically if you want someone to build and manage blogs and minisites and SEO tasks then you can't go wrong. She is reliable helpful and friendly.

      It will really help you have you already have a good process for her to follow - you will get more out of her (as you would with anyone) but do not expect miracles if you do not give precise instructions. I made a lot of use of Jing videos etc.

      NB what she is not so good at is content based work such as article writing and blog commenting. She is better at tech tasks than content based tasks though don't get me wrong she is a great communicator and sends me long e-mails in perfect english but her preference is not to do these - and when she can do so many other things so well, why bother!

      Salary level for 40 hours a week is probably c. $400+ a month. Conbsidering what she knows and the fact you do not need to start from scratch is a massive bonus, believe me.

      Let me know if you are interested / need more details.

      Thanks

      Fraser
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      • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
        Originally Posted by leanfang View Post

        Hi All

        I've been wondering where the best place to post this was so maybe it is here.

        Hopefully I can help someone here as I reluctantly need to give up my Filipino VA who has been with me over a year and I have trained in many different parts of IM.

        Now to be clear I want her to go to a good home as she is a lovely girl and I want her to be well looked after. NB I am making no money from this.

        My business model is changing and I just don't need her full time any more as I am not mass producing sites or backlinking like I was.

        A brief rundown on her skills is below:
        Wordpress blog building inc:
        plug ins
        themes
        adding forms
        adding adsense
        etc
        Blooger blog building

        Mini site design / HTML knowedge
        she knows all the types of pages needed and what is on a download page etc - she can do all the set up and make sure it all works.

        Link building / traffic generation

        Article directories and submissions - knows ezine articles .com really well etc and can submit articles and knows about approval etc.

        Software - lots used incl. incansoft / big mike tools - she has these to use e.g. socialbot, etc

        Link wheel / pyramid building -she can do this

        Google predator System - has recently been trained on the brand new Google Predator system.

        Keyword research - she knows the tools and concepts to look for.

        directory submission - another skill

        Basically if you want someone to build and manage blogs and minisites and SEO tasks then you can't go wrong. She is reliable helpful and friendly.

        It will really help you have you already have a good process for her to follow - you will get more out of her (as you would with anyone) but do not expect miracles if you do not give precise instructions. I made a lot of use of Jing videos etc.

        NB what she is not so good at is content based work such as article writing and blog commenting. She is better at tech tasks than content based tasks though don't get me wrong she is a great communicator and sends me long e-mails in perfect english but her preference is not to do these - and when she can do so many other things so well, why bother!

        Salary level for 40 hours a week is probably c. $400+ a month. Conbsidering what she knows and the fact you do not need to start from scratch is a massive bonus, believe me.

        Let me know if you are interested / need more details.

        Thanks

        Fraser
        Fraser,

        I am not looking for someone, I got a team already.

        Change your business plan or model (to include her if you want) and make money. Outsourcing does not make you money. Outsourcing only expands what your model is. If you have done it for a year and its not making you money, change the model.

        Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author jcbradley
    Try Odesk, ive found some good people that way and from the phillipines too. their system helps keep all your workers honest by taking screen capture shots of their computer. i had one guy who worked 8 hours but with hardly anything done and nothing on the screen shots but he said he had an emergency and forgot to take it off and ended up making up the hours. though, the chore i had him do took longer than i wanted so that was the end of that but without that screenshot, he could have easily turned in some junk and claimed he worked.

    the other thing, hire 2 people for the same job and keep the one that does the best.
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    • Profile picture of the author madzseo
      Hi Everyone,

      I've been lurking in this forum from quite some time now. I think this is only my second post and I've been going to this forum since 2007! (Sorry about the profile - I'll edit that one of these days) Since I have learned a lot from comments and free stuff that people have been giving away here, I thought I might add some input about outsourcing to the Philippines. I am by the way a Filipino - living in the Philippines and I am a product of outsourcing

      I agree with some of the people here that just like in any other country there are good workers and there are bad workers in the Philippines. I have heard of horror stories from internet marketers who outsourced here who got really bad outputs from the people they hired. Meanwhile I have heard of virtual assistants from the Philippines who, after working several months were not paid by their employers. So I think it works both ways too.

      First let me talk about getting writers. When outsourcing article writing, review each one do the edits yourself if necessary. That's the reality of outsourcing - especially for the first few months - you still need to do a lot of things yourself - you are both on a learning curve and you need to really "sit down" with your worker and tell them your expectations. You really have to train the person and do some stuff yourself until they get the hang of how you want the work to be done. You can get articles for $1 but don't expect the quality to be good.

      Outsource the stuff that you can't do that's not your core business. If you are an internet marketer one thing that you should definitely outsource is web design but make sure that you are still be a part of the whole process - tell the designer what you want the site to look like, send similar sites that you like that they can copy and ask for mock ups. Tell them how you would like the site to function etc.

      Based on what I have noticed and experienced outsourcing works best
      for the manual repetitive tasks. Do not outsource the important parts of your business - like networking and creating a marketing strategy. You should have a clear idea of what your business is and where you are going with it.

      I know of some people who buy programs, make the virtual assistant go through the program then make them follow it and get frustrated when the virtual assistant cannot make a whole business from the program. If they can do it themselves they probably won't be working as an assistant

      The reason why some people fail at outsourcing is because they outsource too early. Start a business first before you outsource. Make sure you know the business inside and out. If you get an SEO for example it's easy for them to tell you "Ohhh I can't do that task yet because *insert lame excuse with lots of SEO jargon you can't understand here*". If you know your stuff you would know when your workers are just giving you BS because they did not do anything for that day.

      The mentality of some people is...

      "I would like to get into internet marketing. These are the things I would do Step 1: Buy a program Step 2: Hire someone from the Philippines, India, Malaysia or wherever that I can get cheap Step 4: Get the virtual assistant to do it Step 5: Wait for the money to start coming in". Sound familiar?

      There are several outsourcing products out there like Outsource Force that say you can find good workers to work for you for as low as $2 per hour although that is not entirely false...there might be some problems with that. One of the complaints of internet marketers outsourcing is that their outsourcers often take in other jobs - that is because for $2 an hour that is about $320 a month (conversion rate is 43-44 pesos to a dollar) which is about 14,000 pesos - that is usually the entry level salary for a lot of people here especially in Manila. (In the provinces like Cebu and Davao it may be a little lower.) Based on my experience it is barely enough to get you through with the bills and all.

      That rate is probably good for manual repetitive tasks like submitting to article directories, doing customer support emails, social bookmarking, backlinking.

      What you can do is break down the tasks so that all the simple ones are given to the $2/hour worker and the more difficult tasks like writing, marketing and strategy are given to a more skilled and higher paid worker.

      You know what they say...you pay for peanuts...

      Part time workers are usually unrealiable. I am making a huuuuge generalization here [you may get lucky and get a good part time worker] but this is based on my experience - working telecommute, working with outsourcers and from what I have learned from our real estate business. For part time workers their priority is their full time jobs or studies or something else but never their part time work - they're mostly just in it for the money because they need extra cash - you'd hear a lot of excuses like they need to be in school or their boss asked them to work overtime, their mother is sick and would need to take her to the hospital, nobody will take care of the baby and the list goes on...

      This takes so much time and effort at first but internet marketing is pretty much the same as starting an offline business and outsourcing is the same as hiring employees.

      Oh and don't forget to have contracts and a clear job description. Contracts help because it makes the worker feel secure and make them feel that they are actually working for someone and it scares the h3ll out of them. It really does not hold water because you're in different countries so you really can't sue each other for damages but it's better to have it.

      That's my 2cents on outsourcing not just to the Philippines but to any country.

      Hope this helps

      Good luck with all your businesses everyone!

      Madz

      PS

      I just realized I just wrote such a long post...I guess that's what happens when you've been silent for several years. The flood gates have now been opened! Prepare for the worst lol
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      • Profile picture of the author johndetlefs
        Wow... Great post Madz... i can't figure out how to thank you using the system, so i'll do it in person!

        Thanks!

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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Ranger
    I've been using oDesk a lot lately - my whole mindset has changed. In the past I looked at HireAFreelancer.com (or whatever it was called) and couldn't really get my head around it. Now the first thing I think when starting something is 'can I get someone else to do it'.. I'm getting quite lazy which is bad.

    At the moment I'm having a small program developed, submitted the details and 24 hours later I've got working examples for me to look at - it's incredible. When they send you a working example in 24 hours you feel terrible if you don't hire them though.

    So far I've used programmers from Romania, writers from India and had small repetitive jobs done by people from the Philippines - all without hassle. Just create a simple CamTasia video explaining everything

    But yeah, such a powerful tool.
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  • Profile picture of the author kimwriter
    Here's my 2 cents worth.
    When outsourcing to Philippines or anywhere else for that matter, you should consider the following factors:
    1. Do you really need to outsource?
    2. What are the perceived benefits of outsourcing? e.g. time, cost
    3. Analyze the benefits against potential risks e.g. poor quality work, missed deadlines through lost/non communication

    If after anaylzing this, the results are for outsourcing, look for an overseas provider who provides the best combination of the following:
    1. Speaks and writes fluent English
    2. Has proven skills in your area of interest e.g. Blog design (insist on seeing a portfolio)
    3. Is available at the time you need them
    4. Cost
    This way you will not run into any problems. One more thing, do not make any advance payments and pay only for actual work done. Odesk makes this easy with their Teams feature but there are lots of other great ways to find overseas workers such as:
    Set up a "jobs/careers" page on your website and then use AdWords or Facebook to advertise your job in the target country e.g. Philippines, (this should keep your costs minimal). You will get hundreds of applications and you can shortlist the one's that meet your specifications for a Skype interview.
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  • Profile picture of the author brentbraceros
    Is there a site where i can find good workers from the Philippines? aside from odesk?
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  • Profile picture of the author RichardBaldock
    I am looking to sign up a couple of guys from PI. Does anyone have any legal contracts samples I could use ?
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    • Profile picture of the author theleader
      Originally Posted by RichardBaldock View Post

      I am looking to sign up a couple of guys from PI. Does anyone have any legal contracts samples I could use ?
      Yes, I would as well want to know the same.

      Could you please tell me if there is any such sample contract available here?

      I am looking at hiring a full time content writer VA but it sounds I will have to do my homework after reading this thread.

      If there are references anyone can provide, feel free to PM me.
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      • Profile picture of the author madzseo
        RichardBaldock and theleader,I have a couple of contracts and nda samples here. I can send them to you
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        • Profile picture of the author johndetlefs
          Originally Posted by madzseo View Post

          RichardBaldock and theleader,I have a couple of contracts and nda samples here. I can send them to you
          If possible Madz... i'd really appreciate having a look at those as well.

          Cheers,

          John Detlefs
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          • Profile picture of the author magentawave
            What are "nda samples"?


            non-disclosure agreements
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        • Profile picture of the author gjpcoach
          Originally Posted by madzseo View Post

          RichardBaldock and theleader,I have a couple of contracts and nda samples here. I can send them to you
          Hi

          Could you send them to me too? I'd be very grateful.

          Thank you
          Gillian
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  • Profile picture of the author Mktrilogy
    Standard contracts and NDA is enough. DO ask for government ID eg. Drivers Licence and SSS. I am connected to 4 warriors active in article writing business (the top 3 in google) doing all sorts of backlinking/linkbuilding package you see in their sites. Managing and running the sites/back end administration as well. Also part of the task is to manage 15 people that we hired for internal business Process operations/backlinking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Love2KnowU
    Hi Mk. What is SSS?
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  • Profile picture of the author madzseo
    SSS - social security system.

    MKtrilogy - just curious why you would need these things?

    I would agree that contracts and nda's are really not enough. They just make things look legal. Let's say your VA goes to a competitor and sells all your leads - there really isnt any way for you to sue that guy since you are in different countries. If there is it's going to be too expensive. So in a way it's good to hire a firm that way somebody is going to be accountable.
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