by DotMK
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Hi All,

Anyone puchased clickbank code? if so how have you found it, is the same recycled information, or worth purchasing...

i understand i was only launched yesterday or today..
#clickbank #code
  • Profile picture of the author Sam Kern
    I am also keen on a review of clickbank code as i got so many emails from gurus promoting the product. But i would not be surprised if it is just a hyped product since there have been so many "Dominate Clickbank" products already on the market
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    • Profile picture of the author kundanmuskan78
      Thanks for the review. VERY much appreciated.

      "Adwords - start with $500 a day budget. " - & this is for the newbie. What a joke.
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  • Profile picture of the author WahbReview
    I purchased it today.

    Research - pick 5 or 6 products from clickbank and perform due diligence - market, keywords, traffic, demographics.

    Adwords - start with $500 a day budget. Each keyword in own group. Send to landing page(s) on a mini site with enough unique content to avoid slap.

    Tell a story to sell the product.

    Track. Pick the winners. Expand to MSN and Yahoo.

    Articles can be used for free traffic.

    All been said before - and better (with examples and templates) - in products like commission blueprint and the like.

    Comes in 4 modules - the clickbank code being the first and then 3 others for either 77 or 97 each.

    Didn't purchase the other three after watching the first 28 videos!

    The 2 bonus products have very nice, professional graphics and sales pages. Could easily modify them for ones own product.

    Summary - not enough detail for newbies - nothing new for experienced - and the middle ground will still not commit to putting a budget of $500 a day into Adwords (I would guess).

    P.S. Am writing this as I could not find one single real review of this product from anyone who actually watched the videos and read the PDF's.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Great Gordino
      wahbreveiw yours is the best review I have seen.
      It does have a good sales page, but I wanted some opinion. Type it into google and all you get is the overused 'dont buy it (but really I mean buy it here)' tactic.

      When I searched around this site though I got some very worrying views abotu MichaelJones - it's just a pen name, and also refunds from his previous products seemed to be not being sent.

      This one is sold via clickbank so that doesnt seem a problem with this, but for the $77 there seems to be better stuff around at the moment.
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      • Profile picture of the author Azlan.MY
        Originally Posted by The Great Gordino View Post

        wahbreveiw yours is the best review I have seen.
        It does have a good sales page, but I wanted some opinion. Type it into google and all you get is the overused 'dont buy it (but really I mean buy it here)' tactic.
        That's because all those blogs or articles come from affiliates. They mean "Don't buy it somewhere else, but buy from my link".
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    • Profile picture of the author montero
      WahbReview:

      What a genuinely helpful review! It's a model for reviews.
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    • Profile picture of the author xlfutur1
      Originally Posted by WahbReview View Post

      I purchased it today.

      Research - pick 5 or 6 products from clickbank and perform due diligence - market, keywords, traffic, demographics.

      Adwords - start with $500 a day budget. Each keyword in own group. Send to landing page(s) on a mini site with enough unique content to avoid slap.

      Tell a story to sell the product.

      Track. Pick the winners. Expand to MSN and Yahoo.

      Articles can be used for free traffic.

      All been said before - and better (with examples and templates) - in products like commission blueprint and the like.

      Comes in 4 modules - the clickbank code being the first and then 3 others for either 77 or 97 each.

      Didn't purchase the other three after watching the first 28 videos!

      The 2 bonus products have very nice, professional graphics and sales pages. Could easily modify them for ones own product.

      Summary - not enough detail for newbies - nothing new for experienced - and the middle ground will still not commit to putting a budget of $500 a day into Adwords (I would guess).

      P.S. Am writing this as I could not find one single real review of this product from anyone who actually watched the videos and read the PDF's.
      Thanks for the excellent synopsis. Its funny how when these people show how much they made in CB sales, they always fail to mention how much they actually SPENT to make those sales.

      A $520 day on CB sounds alot different if you know they spent $500 to make that $520. All they show is the big numbers and alot of us fall for the same thing time after time.

      I would so like to see a video that says " I made X amount of money NET after spending X to drive traffic to this offer." That's why these screen shots of CB earnings videos are so misleading. Who cares if you made $500 in one day if you spent the same amount on adwords. That's like saying you can make $0 money with my product if you follow my exact instructions. who would buy that? No one, and that's why the "expenses" are always left out of the sales letter videos.

      Just my 2 cents and a beef I have had for along time with many of these product sales pages.
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      • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
        Originally Posted by xlfutur1 View Post

        All they show is the big numbers and alot of us fall for the same thing time after time.
        It really is amazing to watch. But I see it launch after launch.

        If you want to make some money in an online business, stop running from launch to launch and put your nose to the grind stone and WORK.

        It really isn't rocket science.
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    • Profile picture of the author Copywriter UK
      So refreshing to get an honest review like this. Wish I'd discovered Warriors Forum years ago for this very reason. One of the few places you can find out what's really going on with products before putting your money down.

      Thanks very much.
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    • Profile picture of the author tazsolmarketing
      Originally Posted by WahbReview View Post

      I purchased it today.

      Research - pick 5 or 6 products from clickbank and perform due diligence - market, keywords, traffic, demographics.

      Adwords - start with $500 a day budget. Each keyword in own group. Send to landing page(s) on a mini site with enough unique content to avoid slap.

      Tell a story to sell the product.

      Track. Pick the winners. Expand to MSN and Yahoo.

      Articles can be used for free traffic.

      All been said before - and better (with examples and templates) - in products like commission blueprint and the like.

      Comes in 4 modules - the clickbank code being the first and then 3 others for either 77 or 97 each.

      Didn't purchase the other three after watching the first 28 videos!

      The 2 bonus products have very nice, professional graphics and sales pages. Could easily modify them for ones own product.

      Summary - not enough detail for newbies - nothing new for experienced - and the middle ground will still not commit to putting a budget of $500 a day into Adwords (I would guess).

      P.S. Am writing this as I could not find one single real review of this product from anyone who actually watched the videos and read the PDF's.

      Thanks xlfutur1 its a great info that you've share.
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      @ Wahbreview

      The review was succinct and to the point. At least, someone would save his money and get the same information and more that is rife on this forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author plester
      Thanks WahbReview for the straight and honest review,i'm sure i'm not the only one happy to see this!
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      Thank you for such a detailed review. This has saved me some money.
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      • Profile picture of the author apollocreed
        Originally Posted by HeyAdMan View Post

        Thank you for such a detailed review. This has saved me some money.
        LOL.

        The guy is promting the same product on his site.

        I would not trust such a review.

        Apollo
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        • Profile picture of the author Ron Storvik
          I previously had been promoting the "Clickbank Code" on Google and other pay per click sites but my return on the investment did not pay off. I was getting a pretty good response or click through to my page but after the visitors went from my page to the pitch page developed by the author of the "Clickbank Code", the number of people that filled out orders compared to the number of people that visited was VERY LOW. As I stated in my previous post I am a newbie and although I was making some money I found that I wasn't making enough money to continue promoting that product with pay per click. I did get a lot of information from his product but in all honesty it is not performing in a way that I would have expected after I ramped-up my advertising. Maybe I need to find a different product to promote using his his methods but after my poor results with my first attempt I am somewhat skeptical. I hope this is helpfull to you.
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    • Originally Posted by WahbReview View Post

      I purchased it today.

      Research - pick 5 or 6 products from clickbank and perform due diligence - market, keywords, traffic, demographics.

      Adwords - start with $500 a day budget. Each keyword in own group. Send to landing page(s) on a mini site with enough unique content to avoid slap.

      Tell a story to sell the product.

      Track. Pick the winners. Expand to MSN and Yahoo.

      Articles can be used for free traffic.
      That sounds EXACTLY like Commission Blueprint 1.0
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    • Profile picture of the author kdockins
      Your assessment of the steps in "Clickbank Code" are perfectly accurate. I also purchased the "Clickbank Code" on January 2, 2010.

      Ironically, I just refunded it. But, not because the product is not a good one. In fact, to support the author of this program... the steps are clearly laid out, and well described.

      There are even lots of "insider" tips and tactics that "real-life" affiliate marketers can benefit from. However, I refunded it because soon after purchase, I received a similar offer from the same author, for a more appropriate sounding product called, "The AFFILIATE Code."

      What was bothering me about The ClickBank Code" is that is relies most heavily upon the PPC technique, which, for beginning PPC marketers, can be quite an expensive lesson to learn.

      Nonetheless... I am making this post today, because a thought just occurs to me...

      Thinking about some of the best Internet-marketing-related products I have purchased and used during 2009 and up to now in 2010, they all have a basic central theme... and this theme is the most difficult thing for the "average" person to accomplish.

      That is, sooner or later, you discover that you must write an ENORMOUS sum of articles, or post a MONUMENTAL number of blogs, or buy and set GIGANTIC numbers of brand new, fully activated websites for each and every product idea that comes to your mind.

      Although these things are "possible," as evidenced by the fact that at least a few individuals are actually doing this... essentially where and how does an average, single-handed, person find the time to do all of these things without assistance of any kind whatsoever?

      For example, some "gurus" claims that they can write 5 to 10 high quality articles good enough to be accepted by EzineArticles... in only about one hour! And this is needed because these marketing plans literally call for about 20 to 30 articles per keyword campaign!

      I think I will stop buying stuff for a moment, and just talk with you guys here at Warrior Forum... to make more sense of it all. There must be a legitimate way to sensibly make considerable income online without buying all of these software programs... which tend to cost up to $100 or more, each.

      I welcome some helpful and insightful comments here.

      Sincerely,

      K e n


      Originally Posted by WahbReview View Post

      I purchased it today.

      Research - pick 5 or 6 products from clickbank and perform due diligence - market, keywords, traffic, demographics.

      Adwords - start with $500 a day budget. Each keyword in own group. Send to landing page(s) on a mini site with enough unique content to avoid slap.

      Tell a story to sell the product.

      Track. Pick the winners. Expand to MSN and Yahoo.

      Articles can be used for free traffic.

      All been said before - and better (with examples and templates) - in products like commission blueprint and the like.

      Comes in 4 modules - the clickbank code being the first and then 3 others for either 77 or 97 each.

      Didn't purchase the other three after watching the first 28 videos!

      The 2 bonus products have very nice, professional graphics and sales pages. Could easily modify them for ones own product.

      Summary - not enough detail for newbies - nothing new for experienced - and the middle ground will still not commit to putting a budget of $500 a day into Adwords (I would guess).

      P.S. Am writing this as I could not find one single real review of this product from anyone who actually watched the videos and read the PDF's.
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  • Profile picture of the author Haydies
    I am so glad I read this post. I was getting suckered in and started to wonder if 'this' was the product to finally help me. Glad I still have my $77

    Thankyou
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Daley
      Thanks for the review. VERY much appreciated.

      "Adwords - start with $500 a day budget. " - & this is for the newbie. What a joke.
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      • Profile picture of the author RobertAxelsen
        77$ puts it at the the top of it's price range, but you get a lot of value.

        I just posted my review of The ClickBank Code here:
        Clickbank Code Review | Information Product Reviews
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        • Profile picture of the author NewDayDesigns
          I'm in the process of writing a review/case study on my blog at "netknucklehead [dot] com".

          Unfortunately, one of the main components of the course is still missing/unavailable, which is an Excel spreadsheet for doing CB product evaluation. I think it's still too early to give it a thumbs-up or thumbs-down.

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          • Profile picture of the author WahbReview
            [QUOTE=Unfortunately, one of the main components of the course is still missing/unavailable, which is an Excel spreadsheet for doing CB product evaluation. I think it's still too early to give it a thumbs-up or thumbs-down.
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            The spreadsheet is very nicely done. And _could_ be usefull.

            Only prolem is that is makes assumptions...

            1% purchase
            3% of purchases refund

            And the kicker...

            It uses the the Google CPC/Position and Traffic stats to calculate if the product will (could) be profitable.

            Using such things as a guide is fine - using such things as the definative go/no go is false.

            The video's don't emphasis how "off" Google's own positional/CPC stats are - there will be lots of people in for a big surprise when they come to expect position 4-6 for a keyword at $0.25 and actually need to pay $0.75-1.25.

            Qualifier - The above reflect my personal experience/opinion - just that, nothing more.
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        • Profile picture of the author templarjustice
          Robert,

          It's people like you who provide non-quality reviews that make absolutely no sense that gives this industry a bad name.

          No effort or thought was put in to the 18 word sentence that makes absolutely no sense at all.
          Everyone else here has provided something of substance, and you have provided what: $77 is top of it's price range? Are you serious? --You get a lot of value? WHAT!! :confused: Did you even purchase the product & actually use it?


          Originally Posted by RobertAxelsen View Post

          77$ puts it at the the top of it's price range, but you get a lot of value.

          I just posted my review of The ClickBank Code here:
          Clickbank Code Review | Information Product Reviews
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          • Profile picture of the author drnet
            One of the funny things is, he says he is a complete newbie to clickbank, but he has been marketing his whole career..I wonder if this was a blunder..
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            • Profile picture of the author templarjustice
              Yeah. It's ridiculous. Then, he also contradicts himself in the other videos, saying that he's been doing this for years. So if you put two & two together, the ONLY way he was even to make the $45,000 in one month was because he had EXTRA cash from all his other efforts -- And that's even if he really did it!

              See, this is one reason I sent out this survey:

              http://www.survs.com/survey?id=EGRXG...nel=2QKK3NV0SP
              So that we can better understand where we are compared to everyone else.
              And to finally realize the missing link. I have a feeling I already know what it is. Part of it is that people are just throwing out theory. They create a product based on unsubstatiated or half-ass facts.
              Like, if 10 people bought it at $50, this site is now $500 per month.
              Then they create some hyped up sales letter saying that something like:
              "I make $50,000 per month with only a couple hours work!"
              THIS IS THE STUFF THAT HAS TO STOP. Regardless of ramping it up, the key thing for US to know as consumer is, what did it costs to get the initial 10 customers behind the scenes.

              What does everyone else think? I'd like to be challenged to see if I"m thinking wrong here......
              Originally Posted by sclark View Post

              One of the funny things is, he says he is a complete newbie to clickbank, but he has been marketing his whole career..I wonder if this was a blunder..
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        • Profile picture of the author Star Riley
          Originally Posted by RobertAxelsen View Post

          77$ puts it at the the top of it's price range, but you get a lot of value.

          I just posted my review of The ClickBank Code here:
          Clickbank Code Review | Information Product Reviews
          Most reviews even the ones I do are to sell the product, what I like about Warriorforum is if you search you can find unbiased reviews. i.e I bought this it is good for ____ not good for _____ or just plain sucks save your money.

          I think I'll save my money on this one. Thanks for the blog review wrapped around an affiliate link if I change my mind I'll be sure to buy it from your link since your review was so unbiased and honest.

          One more thing: Is their a Warrior-Group for sarcastic, smart butt Warriors who post hidden messages in their posts, I would like to join that group of humanitarian.
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        • Profile picture of the author brand-all
          Originally Posted by Richfellow View Post

          It's unfair to ask newbees to spend $500 a day on adwords-where do they get the funds?

          Richfellow

          Obviously your nic is a clear case of hopeful, positive thinking.

          The key word in your sentence is 'ask'

          No one forces us to spend any amount of money. Obviously there is a 'suggestion' that spending that amount of money is ONE way to place your adverts in a better position or get more hits through a bigger spend.

          The reviews and comments in this thread have been very helpful over-all, and it's the posts from actual buyers/ users that we all look out for in this great forum.

          Due Diligence starts here, on every product that is spat out of the IM masses. Thanks to everyone for the comments.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom2009
    Uf.. when will they come with some really original idea..? Imean they use and re-use the same ideas, with different shapes...500$ per day with Adwords..well you could promote your own product with that money and make much much more...How come a newbie afford to invest 15k... all BS..
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    • Profile picture of the author NewDayDesigns
      I'm not trying to justify the course at all but the $500 figure is just one mentioned in the videos. Michael Jones isn't saying "you MUST spend $500 on PPC in order to make money". As everyone knows, you must be willing to spend *some* money in order to make money.

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      • Profile picture of the author WahbReview
        Originally Posted by NewDayDesigns View Post

        I'm not trying to justify the course at all but the $500 figure is just one mentioned in the videos. Michael Jones isn't saying "you MUST spend $500 on PPC in order to make money". As everyone knows, you must be willing to spend *some* money in order to make money.

        Randal
        You are correct.

        It has been said by several people that putting high daily limits makes google "belive" you are more serious and therefore give you extra room to manouver.

        May be true, I have seen no evidence in any of my personal campaigns.
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    • Profile picture of the author BrandonLee
      Here is the problem with 95% of IMers...they think about tactics, and not about strategy.
      Tactics have all the sex appeal, but if you don't understand the strategy behind the tactic, your simply going to be a victim when the latest tactic stops working because you won't know what to do next. Your only option is going to be to buy the next course, teaching you the next great thing that has a shelf life, and when that expires you repeate the process again and end up with an empty wallet.
      The problem is not with the Clickbank Code, it's with people who are looking for the next great thing..all the while never putting the last thing into action at all before they move on like a bunch of 3 year old afflicted with a severe case of ADD. I found it to be a good product and if you can't find $77 in value in what Mike teaches it's because your not looking.


      Originally Posted by Tom2009 View Post

      Uf.. when will they come with some really original idea..? Imean they use and re-use the same ideas, with different shapes...500$ per day with Adwords..well you could promote your own product with that money and make much much more...How come a newbie afford to invest 15k... all BS..
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    • Profile picture of the author anitahd
      I am with you Tom, spending and spending is not the right direction to go in. If you want to joint venture I will bring the taco shells. I will need 50 cents of that dollar though.
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    I think that review by WahbReview sums it up pretty well.
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  • Profile picture of the author ideasuniversity
    Thanks for all the review. If I want to spend $500 on Adwords, I will just send it to Indian and outsource organic traffic for my site.
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    • Profile picture of the author WahbReview
      Originally Posted by ideasuniversity View Post

      Thanks for all the review. If I want to spend $500 on Adwords, I will just send it to Indian and outsource organic traffic for my site.
      You should do that - and document all the steps and all the results.

      If it works (it will) - bundle it all up into a product - that would sell like crazy (and be usefull).
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Guys, may i ask something?

    Instead of following the new products every week, why don't you choose to make some cash instead of spending it?

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    • Profile picture of the author MLDerk
      Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

      Guys, may i ask something?

      Instead of following the new products every week, why don't you choose to make some cash instead of spending it?

      That's good advice. However, if a person is new (I'm a rank newbie) to the "field," spending on one or two products might not be a bad idea. My first week, I went hogwild and bought a bunch with the idea that I would look into them in detail, pick two at the most and return the rest.

      I know I was flirting with not being able to purchase through Clickbank any more, but I got through and found four products that gave a lot of information and seemed to be good products. I had a hard time trying to pick just two. But I was determined, and found two that appear to be working for me (I haven't used them long enough to be sure - obviously they aren't miracle products ).

      I won't tell you which two I chose until I've used them long enough to see if they were truly good choices. Also, each person needs to follow their own trail and choose not only the product, but the method of finding them.
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  • Profile picture of the author freedomtolive
    Thank you WahbReview for an honest review. $500 day to test, what a joke. Seriously who has that amount of cash? It's not a code it's a gamble and an expensive one at that.

    I too will removing myself from any copy and paste guru lists, I'm sick to the teeth of people promoting stuff just for a fast buck. Want me on your list? I need a reason. Seriously, I'm not just a cash cow for you list owners there has to be something to benefit me too, just ramming another pre sales email pitch down my throat isn't going to cut it.

    It's about time people woke up and realised that the biggest commodity you can have as a marketer is trust.
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    thanks for the review, you have just saved me $77 !
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    I expect a certain amount of hype in sales pages. But this one claims that, as a complete newbie, he just chose some Clickbank products, grabbed some "ugly" templates and put up some ads and made over $40,000 his first month. Sorry, this is just not believable.
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  • Profile picture of the author templarjustice
    $500 a day budget is ridiculous.
    This means "Michael Jones" based on his business model spent:
    1. Adwords spending = $15,000 for his first month
    2. Sales Results = $45,000

    So, for every $500 you spend, you should expect a 130% return.

    Now, of course, you may say, well, you won't fully spend the whole $500/day & you can ramp up & ramp down & all that jazz. That's not the point, and technically, should not be done that way anyway.

    Base on this model, Michael Jones had to have a high level of expenditures over an extended period of time (ie: 30 days) to achieve the $45,000. This is exactly why I asked everyone to take my Survey -- so you all would understand that these gurus are just blantantly throwing out all these high amount so money they are supposedly making, but can't back up what they actually spent or did to prove it.

    I honestly think that if people throw out numbers they make, they need to fess up about how much they actually spent to honestly receive it.

    And we don't even know if that model even works. What if he actually spent $44,000 to achieve $45,000. Would it be a difference?
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    • Profile picture of the author Netafile
      Originally Posted by templarjustice View Post

      $500 a day budget is ridiculous.
      This means "Michael Jones" based on his business model spent:
      1. Adwords spending = $15,000 for his first month
      2. Sales Results = $45,000

      So, for every $500 you spend, you should expect a 130% return.

      Now, of course, you may say, well, you won't fully spend the whole $500/day & you can ramp up & ramp down & all that jazz. That's not the point, and technically, should not be done that way anyway.

      Base on this model, Michael Jones had to have a high level of expenditures over an extended period of time (ie: 30 days) to achieve the $45,000. This is exactly why I asked everyone to take my Survey -- so you all would understand that these gurus are just blantantly throwing out all these high amount so money they are supposedly making, but can't back up what they actually spent or did to prove it.

      I honestly think that if people throw out numbers they make, they need to fess up about how much they actually spent to honestly receive it.

      And we don't even know if that model even works. What if he actually spent $44,000 to achieve $45,000. Would it be a difference?
      TemplarJustice: I took your survey - did you publish the results anywhere?
      Would be curious to see results.

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author judeman
        If I had $500 on me on any given day, I wouldn't NEED to be here trying to earn some hard cash!!!

        Thanks for all the info though!
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      • Profile picture of the author jerodrx
        Rather than expense $500 on adwords i would better pay that
        money to a good ghost writer to make me some quality articles.

        This thread really represents of what is the Warrior Forum, simple
        threads like this is what makes this forum awesome.

        Thanks everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    C'mon now, warriors know better than this.

    If i come here saying i did 50K in 3 weeks, a Noob!!!!!

    Do you believe me? Do you buy a 77$ ebook from me? Guess not.

    So why do you buy from them?

    :confused:

    We all (maybe not all but you get my point) know HOW to do it, we just don't have the time/money/balls.

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  • Profile picture of the author trail29
    $500 a day???!!! wow. i do'nt know about it. anyone actually get something form it/
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  • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
    The problem is clickbank products are making IM seem like the most dishonest money grabbbing thing to hit the internet..... seriously i have bought 4 products off clickbank with the greatest sales letters but none have delivered this is not marketing or sales but lies GEEZ someone give me an honest product where you tell me hey "make $10 a day here is how but you might fail because you dont work hard enough".. and maybe i will buy it because its honest but please stop the LIES
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    • Profile picture of the author elogin
      when I heard "Michael Jones" saying that he didn't have a Clickbank account and just started a brandnew one - I found this statement rather suspicious. It sounded dubious to me.
      And I am quite certain that I have heard his voice in other sales pitches before.
      When I researched his name and products I decided not to buy as I got the impression something fishy is going on.... good decision!
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    • Profile picture of the author AffiliateMax
      Originally Posted by nashelver View Post

      this is not marketing or sales but lies GEEZ someone give me an honest product where you tell me hey "make $10 a day here is how but you might fail because you dont work hard enough".. and maybe i will buy it because its honest but please stop the LIES
      I agree - I like this sales letter because it's not like all the others:
      eBook Farming

      In the above case I actually like the product too but in my opinion the few decent 'make money online' products are mostly not sold on clickbank.

      Point is - as Fernando suggested - unless you want to learn about something specific (adwords for example) then we don't need any product. The basic concepts are the same - any 'how to' information can be found here or at a handful of other sites for free - and the most important thing is to make a plan and then just to go out there and do it: Eg: Choose a niche, research keywords, research products (if doing affiliate marketing) or adsense revenue potential (or both) build a site /blog, add quality, mostly unique, content, get backlinks, add more content, join affiliate networks (there is a world of products and services outside of clickbank!); add affiliate links and /or adsense, rinse and repeat. If you get stuck anywhere along the way - just ask in the forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
        Originally Posted by AffiliateMax View Post

        unless you want to learn about something specific (adwords for example) then we don't need any product. The basic concepts are the same - any 'how to' information can be found here or at a handful of other sites for free - and the most important thing is to make a plan and then just to go out there and do it: Eg: Choose a niche, research keywords, research products (if doing affiliate marketing) or adsense revenue potential (or both) build a site /blog, add quality, mostly unique, content, get backlinks, add more content, join affiliate networks (there is a world of products and services outside of clickbank!); add affiliate links and /or adsense, rinse and repeat. If you get stuck anywhere along the way - just ask in the forum.
        Thank you!

        Some people just choose to move from product to product and they forget to take action.

        Now, how funny is that? heheheh
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        • Profile picture of the author Marian
          Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

          Thank you!

          Some people just choose to move from product to product and they forget to take action.

          Now, how funny is that? heheheh
          This is very true Fernando...

          I'm just watching or better listening some of the tutorials Michael did... and found them useful. Sure, you can search the forums and internet for the stuff telling you basically the same things... but some people just prefer the things by watching... and included are many useful aspects of overall useful marketing/promoting.

          I believe the money is not wasted here IF you apply the knowledge - like Fernando already said :-)

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    Whew! Thanks so much for the caveat! WF comes thru again.
    Now off to my previously scheduled IM efforts...

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      • Profile picture of the author WahbReview
        Originally Posted by timgordon1970 View Post

        1. It is served in a clear and simple way. just excellent.

        2. $500/day. It's a lot, but at least he isn't selling you lies about $10/day that everyone else is. (From my experience you can do well with $150/day. with less it is difficult to test and improve).

        3. "Nothing's new". The pieces maybe aren't all new, but the way he puts them together, and the discipline he teaches worth the $77 big time.

        4. Many great marketing tips (not cb/adwords related), that are very smart and interesting (this is mainly what i learned from this course).
        I am very interested in your opinion. Would it be possible for you to expand a little?

        Specifically points 3 and 4.

        What steps will you be implementing, regarding discipline, in your own campaigns as a result of the course material?

        What marketing tips did you learn (or have reinforced) and how will these change your own marketing approach?

        Genuinely intersted if you have time to respond.

        P.S. I wholeheatedly agree with point no. 1. It is served in a clear simple way. But delivery does not make content - it can detract from the lack of it, which, for me personally, was the case here.
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  • Profile picture of the author howdab2
    Thank you so much for the honest and in depth review,
    and for saving me $77 as well !

    I had been considering buying it, but wanted to see a review
    first... and not the sales page reviews that there seemed to be so many of..

    I already own several products of the same nature,
    and am not really intrested in buying another rehash of a clickbank + adwords/ppc tutorial...

    Thanks again for the info!!!!

    Howard
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  • Profile picture of the author WahbReview
    Per cb snooper - refund rate is currently 19.37%
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    • Profile picture of the author templarjustice
      What's CB Snooper? Can you point us to where we can verify that information? That's a very high refund rate isn't it?
      How do they calculate refund rate?

      Originally Posted by WahbReview View Post

      Per cb snooper - refund rate is currently 19.37%
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    • Profile picture of the author remodeler
      Originally Posted by WahbReview View Post

      Per cb snooper - refund rate is currently 19.37%
      I just checked that as well. That is plain awful.
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    • Profile picture of the author AffiliateMax
      Originally Posted by WahbReview View Post

      Per cb snooper - refund rate is currently 19.37%
      Interesting - not heard of that site before.
      ( Clickbank Statistics Have Never Looked So Good - CBSnooper.com )

      There are much higher refund rates than 19.37% on some products - some are over 50%.. Surprised that micronichefinder (which I think is one of the very few products on clickbank I would class as good) has a refund rate of 14% while others have zero.

      Bear in mind that a lot of people do not know about clickbanks 60 day refund policy or just don't bother with a refund for whatever reason (or forget!) even though they may think the product is crap.

      Some interesting figures (assuming they are accurate)
      Bit sceptical about some of them though! (Too low)

      Reverse Phone Detective. Refund Rate: 38.68%
      Earth 4 Energy Refund Rate: 2.80%
      FatLoss4Idiots Refund Rate: 0.00%
      Truth About Abs Refund Rate: 58.14%
      Commission Blueprint Refund Rate: 86.26% (ouch!)
      Burn The Fat Refund Rate: 0.00%
      Paid Surveys Etc Refund Rate: 51.97%
      Get Google Ads Free! Refund Rate: 1.26% (come on - by common consent this product is garbage and yes, I have read it)
      SaleHoo Refund Rate: 0.00%
      Jamorama Refund Rate: 0.00%
      Brad Callen's Affiliate Elite: Refund Rate: 97.40%
      The Rich Jerk Refund Rate: 0.00%
      Water4gas Refund Rate: 0.00%
      Top secret fat loss secret Refund Rate: 45.23% (only 45%? sales page is worst load of complete garbage I have ever seen!)

      Pinch of salt required for some of those I think!
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        • Profile picture of the author AffiliateMax
          Originally Posted by dzoniij7 View Post

          Are you crazy??? Where did you got these statistics? it is total bullshit!!!
          I have sold hundreds of copies of commission blueprint only 3 refunds.
          About paidsurveys etc I promote this product also I have got 360 sales so far refund rate 5.67%. 86% refund rate is nearly immpossible only in that case if customer orders product and got empty pdf document
          Sveiki! No I am not crazy. I got them from the link I posted (CBSnooper) I didn't say I agreed with them or considered them to be accurate - hence my comments next to some of them and my closing comment that they should be taken with a (large) pinch of salt (ie: large dose of scepticism) as some of them made no sense at all.
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      • Profile picture of the author LB
        Originally Posted by AffiliateMax View Post

        Interesting - not heard of that site before.
        ( Clickbank Statistics Have Never Looked So Good - CBSnooper.com )

        There are much higher refund rates than 19.37% on some products - some are over 50%.. Surprised that micronichefinder (which I think is one of the very few products on clickbank I would class as good) has a refund rate of 14% while others have zero.

        Bear in mind that a lot of people do not know about clickbanks 60 day refund policy or just don't bother with a refund for whatever reason (or forget!) even though they may think the product is crap.

        Some interesting figures (assuming they are accurate)
        Bit sceptical about some of them though! (Too low)

        Reverse Phone Detective. Refund Rate: 38.68%
        Earth 4 Energy Refund Rate: 2.80%
        FatLoss4Idiots Refund Rate: 0.00%
        Truth About Abs Refund Rate: 58.14%
        Commission Blueprint Refund Rate: 86.26% (ouch!)
        Burn The Fat Refund Rate: 0.00%
        Paid Surveys Etc Refund Rate: 51.97%
        Get Google Ads Free! Refund Rate: 1.26% (come on - by common consent this product is garbage and yes, I have read it)
        SaleHoo Refund Rate: 0.00%
        Jamorama Refund Rate: 0.00%
        Brad Callen's Affiliate Elite: Refund Rate: 97.40%
        The Rich Jerk Refund Rate: 0.00%
        Water4gas Refund Rate: 0.00%
        Top secret fat loss secret Refund Rate: 45.23% (only 45%? sales page is worst load of complete garbage I have ever seen!)

        Pinch of salt required for some of those I think!
        Umm...no.

        CB does not publish refund rates.

        There is a formula that you can use with the supplied data to determine what the refund rate of a product would be HOWEVER this does not work for vendors selling more than one product under the same account. That's what causes strange numbers like -5% and 97.3% refunds. The data just isn't there, CB does not publish true refund stats.
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      • Profile picture of the author KenSilver
        Originally Posted by AffiliateMax View Post

        Interesting - not heard of that site before.
        ( Clickbank Statistics Have Never Looked So Good - CBSnooper.com )
        There are much higher refund rates than 19.37% on some products - some are over 50%.. ...
        Some interesting figures (assuming they are accurate)
        Bit sceptical about some of them though!...
        You should be sceptical about all of these figures if my experience is anything to go by.

        I just checked to see that my refund (not referred) rate there is stated as 55.34% (silverlotto.com).

        This is hugely wrong... it's actually less than 2%.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
        Originally Posted by AffiliateMax View Post

        Reverse Phone Detective. Refund Rate: 38.68%
        Earth 4 Energy Refund Rate: 2.80%
        FatLoss4Idiots Refund Rate: 0.00%
        Truth About Abs Refund Rate: 58.14%
        Commission Blueprint Refund Rate: 86.26% (ouch!)
        Burn The Fat Refund Rate: 0.00%
        Paid Surveys Etc Refund Rate: 51.97%
        Get Google Ads Free! Refund Rate: 1.26% (come on - by common consent this product is garbage and yes, I have read it)
        SaleHoo Refund Rate: 0.00%
        Jamorama Refund Rate: 0.00%
        Brad Callen's Affiliate Elite: Refund Rate: 97.40%
        The Rich Jerk Refund Rate: 0.00%
        Water4gas Refund Rate: 0.00%
        Top secret fat loss secret Refund Rate: 45.23% (only 45%? sales page is worst load of complete garbage I have ever seen!)

        Pinch of salt required for some of those I think!

        LOL!

        Now THAT is funny.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    ^^ There's no way a product can have a 0% refund rate. Not those products that exist for some time now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Netafile
    Those refund rates seem awful suspect to me.

    Some at 0%, Comm Blue @ 86%? Google Free 1.26%? Aff elite 97%?

    I don't believe it.
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  • Profile picture of the author bigdaddy
    There is no way that the Google Ads For Free product doesn't have at least a 25% refund rate. It's one of the the few products that I got a refund for. Obviously the internet marketing products will have higher refund rates.

    The consumers in other niches like weight loss, probably don't know about the refund policy and are probably used to diet products not doing what they claim to do.

    Thanks for the info WahbReview. I will not be purchasing the product now as I know that there isn't any info that I don't already have. I already know about using landing pages to help lower your adwords costs.

    The rest is basic internet marketing for some one studied on the subject.
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    • Profile picture of the author GlenH
      Haven't ...'Make Money With Clickbank' courses totally run out of credibility?

      How many times can you re-hash the same information, but just say it in a slightly different way each time.

      What do we get next....Clickbank Code 2.0.... Clickbank Code 3.0.

      I'm not heaping all this on the CBC product. It's just that it's in the firing line here.

      There are plenty of other product owners who work the re-hash game the same way.

      But the owners keep sucking people in and making the bucks!


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  • Profile picture of the author BrunoPisano
    Is there a link where I can download the Commission Blueprint for a lower price than the $67 per month?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
    Hi guys . Imagine Clickbank actually reported official refund percentages that would be awesome and make people stop over selling on there sales copy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Private
    Hi,

    I purchased CB Code and found some interesting information in it. I'll try it out and can always get a refund in 60 days ... so have nothing to lose.

    Alex Minasian
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  • Profile picture of the author Private
    I'm new to this forum and wish I knew of it much earlier. I've been trying to make money online since Jan and have spent $2,000 to date without making a single dime.

    Bye the way ... anyone know how to really make money online ... seriously!

    Alex
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    • Profile picture of the author IMnwxlh2
      Originally Posted by Private View Post

      I've been trying to make money online since Jan and have spent $2,000 to date without making a single dime.

      Bye the way ... anyone know how to really make money online ...
      Hi Alex

      Wow, $2000.00. Ouch!!!

      First thing, stop buying things!!!

      Go over to www.thirtydaychallenge.com. It's free and there's a new session starting in June. Take the pre-season training. You get to learn all the tools before the actual course takes place. Even if you don't take the free training, the pre-season stuff is really well worth it.

      And did I say it's free?

      Also, stick around this forum and you'll get lot's of help from members.

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    • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
      If any of those $2000 products is refundable, and you feel they have tought you nothing please get your refund and rather use that money having someone write you articles or something, or start and adwords campaign i personally spent $500 to make my first $300 yes a loss but there is no better feeling thatn checking your clickbank account and finding and it really motivates you
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    • Profile picture of the author launchcode
      Well I think that the first mistake a lot of newbies make is thinking they are going to make money in IM as a FIRST niche. Your nuts.
      So many other niches are bigger, more profitable and not as competative as IM. Plus, if you have not ever made any money online anyway, what the heck can you add to the mix in IM?
      Seriously look at the stock market, golf, real estate, weight loss, dating, forex, emini trading etc etc. All of these niches are HUGE and you can make a ton of money in them much easier then IM.
      Plus, if you are bound and determined to break into the IM niche, you will have the experiance and the credibility to do so from your other products.


      Originally Posted by Private View Post

      I'm new to this forum and wish I knew of it much earlier. I've been trying to make money online since Jan and have spent $2,000 to date without making a single dime.

      Bye the way ... anyone know how to really make money online ... seriously!

      Alex
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  • Profile picture of the author Avidpoet
    Most of the products thats come out the last few months teach the Herd to head over to Clickbank to promote their products. The grass is greener on the other side and there are some really good programs out there beside Clickbank.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amenda Jessera
    It seems to me that most of the blogger here know how to work and earn money in clickbank. Anyone can give me idea how to biggen. Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author mowens17
    Thanks for the info, hard to tell whether you will actually be able to repeat any of the usual hped up claims. I think adword guides are kind of hit and miss if you've never tried PPC or you dont have $500 a day to spend.

    I don't doubt this guys makes that money but the likelihood of you recreating those results exactly as they say is remote without experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author Saul'
    Uhm... you people do know that Clickbank Code is a blatant rip off of Commission Blueprint right? On the CommBlue forums, Steve Clayton is saying they're gonna sue this con artist and I sure hope he seriously does.

    If rehashing is not enough, they begin to straight out copy products... Anyone who bought anything from this Michael Jones character I suggest you take your money back asap, that is if he gives money back which I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't.
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  • Profile picture of the author BaldShark
    This is my first post. The Clickbank Code was my first product purchase (4 days ago)...my first 77 bucks spent. I've watched all the videos and looked through all the support materials.

    So from a total newbie perspective, one that hasn't made any money with this yet, I actually learned a lot. I thought the videos were informative and walked through a ton of info. The Excel spreadsheet is pretty useful at this point too.

    I don't have $500 a day to spend (which seemed more like a suggestion on the video than a "must") on PPC of course, and I'm a bit gun shy to setup a whole new web site and hosting to promote one single clickbank product as a "test"...which is the advice given.

    I did send in a support question asking for examples of sites and promotions...I did get a quick reply, but I didnt get a real answer or any examples.

    I don't plan on spending another $77, although it's tempting, until I really try and make use of the info I just paid for. It's all a bit of information overload which makes it a bit tough to start from scratch.

    I'm glad I found this forum.

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Saul'
    If you want real answers, get your money back and get the original product, not the pirated version.
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  • Profile picture of the author milliontraders
    Many people were asking who's this Michael Jones. Well if you bought the CB Code, you could see his Gmail's username, 'kenthephotoman'. I went on to dig deeper about 'kenthephotoman' and found his twitter which is 'kenthetrainer' and he's using 'Ken Walker' as his name. It might be his true identity or another identity created for specific niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    He had another product that appeared to do well but I can't recall what it was.
    I do remember it ending with something less than a bang though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Polywood01
    Thanks for the nice info

    Andrew
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  • Profile picture of the author cgschmidt
    Hi,
    I too got many emails promoting the "Clickbank Code" - and I found it very similar to "Commission blueprint" which I refunded after 5 days (looking through the files and the videos).
    Therefore I thank all members for the valuable meanings and reviews and am very glad that I didn't purchase the Clickbank Code :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Treborrevo
      I can't comment on the Clickbank Code.

      I can say that "Michael Jones" did not honor his refund policy on the Adwords Code after he told me he would and after I paid $100 to send it back to Israel where one of his fulfillment houses is.

      This led to a multi-month battle with the credit card company, providing the guarantees from his copy, his emails promising to refund, shipping receipts, confirmation receipts etc.

      He uses many names and many companies. I believe he is located in Switzerland.

      I am not the only one having this issue.

      This product may be great, my my experience with the creator has not been.
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  • Profile picture of the author Saul'
    Sorry for sounding like a broken record and repeating myself, but the product isn't great, it's a pirated version of another product. What you're saying about his customer support only proves his methods of scamming people. And sorry for the strong word but it is what it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author embrown
    Wow. I bought a domain name to market this product,too. I'm glad it was only $.99.

    I just got this from the clickbank page:
    Originally Posted by Clickbank:

    $/sale: $43.18 | Future $: - | Total $/sale: $43.18 | %/sale: 60.0% | %refd: 79.0% | grav: 612.22
    With a $/sale and a total $/sale of 43.18, doesn't that mean low refunds? Thats what I was going on when I first decided to try to market it.

    Oh! Edited to add a few things.
    I don't get this: In CB's affiliates resource page, he gives us a series of emails to send to our lists. I read it and I'm thinking, "ok,I may do that." I also signed up for Maverick Money Makers (I can rant on those guys in a thread of my own) and I start getting the same emails that I just read on the CB codes page from MMM's list.

    I'm thinking MMM and CB are in cahoots
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    • Profile picture of the author Treborrevo
      IF support and follow-up emails are coming from a service called "Info@EverProfits.com" then they are the same. He uses that service system for all his products.
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  • Profile picture of the author CopyWhiz
    Well, this has been interesting. I subscribed to this forum because I thought I would be getting information from experienced IMers...I'm still pretty green. I've been working (hard) along my day job, for a couple of years. I've created a product...in a poor niche. But, I continue to work and learn.

    I am appalled by most of this thread. Most people haven't tried to use the product...obviously...but they're having fun slamming it.

    Here's my take...again, as a pretty green IMer.

    1. The information is presented clearly with a clear direction of where you're going.
    2. You are advised to watch ALL the videos before you start working (Unless you're really lazy, you'll be done in way less than 60 days so you can get your $77 back!)
    3. You are taught a process to follow...something we newbies need. And, it makes sense.
    4. $500 is what he says to use in doing your initial assessment. (You really need to watch all the videos!) He does NOT tell you to spend that every day! GET REAL!
    5. This isn't intended for you "SMARTER THAN EVERYONE" guys, it's intended for people who want to learn, and it's presented so people like that can learn.

    Now, one more thing...about that %refd item on Clickbank...and this is from a newbie...it means % referred, not % refunded.

    Hope I helped. I'm pretty pleased with what I'm learning. And, his spreadsheet is giving me a structured way to analyze my data. I need that, maybe you don't!
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    • Profile picture of the author Saul'
      Originally Posted by CopyWhiz View Post

      Well, this has been interesting. I subscribed to this forum because I thought I would be getting information from experienced IMers...I'm still pretty green. I've been working (hard) along my day job, for a couple of years. I've created a product...in a poor niche. But, I continue to work and learn.

      I am appalled by most of this thread. Most people haven't tried to use the product...obviously...but they're having fun slamming it.

      Here's my take...again, as a pretty green IMer.

      1. The information is presented clearly with a clear direction of where you're going.
      2. You are advised to watch ALL the videos before you start working (Unless you're really lazy, you'll be done in way less than 60 days so you can get your $77 back!)
      3. You are taught a process to follow...something we newbies need. And, it makes sense.
      4. $500 is what he says to use in doing your initial assessment. (You really need to watch all the videos!) He does NOT tell you to spend that every day! GET REAL!
      5. This isn't intended for you "SMARTER THAN EVERYONE" guys, it's intended for people who want to learn, and it's presented so people like that can learn.

      Now, one more thing...about that %refd item on Clickbank...and this is from a newbie...it means % referred, not % refunded.

      Hope I helped. I'm pretty pleased with what I'm learning. And, his spreadsheet is giving me a structured way to analyze my data. I need that, maybe you don't!
      Are you kidding me? The authors of Commission Blueprint are suing this guy for ripping off their product. The customers of Commission Blueprint and Clickbank Code scream all over different forums that it is indeed a straight rip off with no exceptions. Many of those who bought and asked for a refund haven't got it. And you even have the nerve to come here defending it? How much you got paid?

      What if someone ripped off your product? How would you feel? Why do you support criminals? The guy is hiding in Switzerland for all I know for goodness sake...

      Be careful of what you're standing up for.

      My tip to you is get Commission Blueprint, just for the kicks, but be prepared to be surprised and keep in mind that it predates Clickbank Code over half a year.

      And stop promoting this criminal, you got screwed, the least you can do is help others from falling for it.

      I know I'm getting heated up, but as a customer of Commission Blueprint and seeing what job the guys have done and how much effort it costs them I can't just sit seeing them being ripped off.
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      • Profile picture of the author CopyWhiz
        So, I'm the bad guy? I went to Clickbank. I bought a product. It's teaching me things I didn't know. I come here to the forum and find people giving all kinds of emotional blather. Most of them haven't used either product, maybe you did. You seem to have a REALLY STRONG emotional attachment to whoever wrote this "Commission Blueprint" thing and I should stop what I'm doing, forget what I've learned, put my life on hold, and wait because the people you believe in have started a law suit.

        You know, my son and my daughter-in-law are trial lawyers. That still doesn't hold water with me. (Maybe you or your father wrote "Commission Blueprint." I don't know.)

        I know that Clickbank Code is helping me. That's all I said.

        Oh, yeah, I also pointed out that some of the people commenting are so ignorant that they think %refd means % refunded...

        I'll stay with my onetime charge for Clickbank Code...and keep working...action, remember, that's what separates the winners from the losers!

        Have fun!
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        • Profile picture of the author Saul'
          Originally Posted by CopyWhiz View Post

          So, I'm the bad guy? I went to Clickbank. I bought a product. It's teaching me things I didn't know. I come here to the forum and find people giving all kinds of emotional blather. Most of them haven't used either product, maybe you did. You seem to have a REALLY STRONG emotional attachment to whoever wrote this "Commission Blueprint" thing and I should stop what I'm doing, forget what I've learned, put my life on hold, and wait because the people you believe in have started a law suit.

          You know, my son and my daughter-in-law are trial lawyers. That still doesn't hold water with me. (Maybe you or your father wrote "Commission Blueprint." I don't know.)

          I know that Clickbank Code is helping me. That's all I said.

          Oh, yeah, I also pointed out that some of the people commenting are so ignorant that they think %refd means % refunded...

          I'll stay with my onetime charge for Clickbank Code...and keep working...action, remember, that's what separates the winners from the losers!

          Have fun!
          Do you honestly absolutely don't care by what means this product was made and where this information you're learning comes from? You paid your money for this, do you not care that it went to an account of someone who didn't deserve it? And do you not care that you are in a way helping to ruin someone's business?

          It's not the product or people behind it I'm emotionally attached to, they are not my relatives and I don't work for them, it's the simple moral principles that I do care about. To each his own though, to each his own...
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  • Profile picture of the author matreatza
    Thanks a lot for these tips . Saved me a lot of cash !
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  • Profile picture of the author chandan_dutta
    Thanks for the review. But $500 for adword while starting ? It is impossible for a newbie to start.
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    This product sounds like Commission Blueprint.
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  • Profile picture of the author disciple
    Hi Everyone,

    I have written an extensive review (2500+ words) of the Clickbank Code on my blog. It goes over every piece of the core product. I will be writing about the OTO's and other add on's soon.

    You can view the post by clicking on my blog's link in my signature.

    Thanks

    Rick
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    • Profile picture of the author Saul'
      Originally Posted by disciple View Post

      Hi Everyone,

      I have written an extensive review (2500+ words) of the Clickbank Code on my blog. It goes over every piece of the core product. I will be writing about the OTO's and other add on's soon.

      You can view the post by clicking on my blog's link in my signature.

      Thanks

      Rick
      I'm getting tired of replying over and over again the same thing in vain, but if you want to make your review really good, compare it to Commission Blueprint. Help your readers make a really informed decision.
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  • Profile picture of the author truthspace
    Thank you for the review...I bought it too a few days back. (but my I am new to IM ) It was the second IM program I ever bought... I had just come off learning from Jonny Andrews stuff (which I liked he's fun to listen to) "The Money Siphon 2.0" anyway so I got CB Code I don't know what it was the sales page got me because of his voice and it sounded put to together well and straightforward like you could just follow the steps and understand it. Well I made it through the first module and started loosing interest with his excel stuff because you can get a better tool for that through some good intelligence software out there... basicly I arrived at the same conclusion as everyone. I have like 1000 bucks on me at any giving time and I'm going to risk it all and also have to wait for clickbank to send me payment for the sales (if I make any) I'll be dead in the water waiting... I'm a 3 month old newbie to online marketing so I got distracted after a few modules... I started looking at an email I got from Frank Kern..."The Legend" (who I like and follow his stuff but can't afford...haha) anyway he was bragging about this new release of "The Google Cash Detective 2.0" by Chris Carpenter and I got all "goo goo" eyed over that thing and I've been wanting to get it and join that group and stick with them... I checked it all out and I'm thinking why the F not it looks cool and at least they help you along and have webinars and show you how to clone shit right? plus he seems like a decent dude been in the industry for years and is successful... nice guy too... Soooo What do you guys think? I love this forum by the way... best thing I did all day - Jonny Andrews turned me onto it in one of his videos... guy cracks me up... ;-) OHHH other than that I was gonna get Aff. Elite by Brad Callen which would be cheeper than the Google Dectetive but I just saw that he had a 97% return rate on that thing !! it looked good too... WTF I thought that was a good one and he put out good stuff no? what is going on....
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    i am still a newbie and last month i purchased it thinking that this was it. and ummm NO, the techniques he teaches is spending buku money on Adwords that i dont have.
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    • Profile picture of the author truthspace
      I know we are in the same boat - check out the Google Cash Detective... I know we can make money doing this it's just that I don't want to buy a ton of info products and waste time I want to find a good one which I do now have... and go for it right? ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Mitch Miller
    I highly doubt there is a 97% refund rate on Aff Elite. Are you sure you weren't looking at the referred number?

    Success isn't as easy as cloning another campaign either, at least not they way they are suggesting. So I would hold up on GCD as well. It sounds to me like you need to stop looking for which magic button to buy and learn the basics like the back of your hand from the info that is already out there in this forum and others. If I were you that's where I would start. You have already fallen into the trap of going from product to product looking for the magic bullet.
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  • Profile picture of the author truthspace
    Thank you guys... I hear ya on going from one product to the next. It is so wacked how your mind works... you end up realizing how little you know about this stuff so you start racing around looking for the best "one" product to get ya going... haha then you keep getting these emails from people you see are super successful like Frank Kern and you want to get his stuff but can't so you try checking out some cheaper stuff... then you realize hey I'll just learn how to clone stuff using adwords but then you realize how dangerous the PPC game is cause of the cpc if you screw up so you want that good "intelligence software" and hope that you can follow that and it's not a waste... I am learning alot of free stuff which is good "Russell Brunsen" stuff and various others so I gettin' ready... I mean I only have gotton 2 IM programs in three months and they weren't bad... still going to watch the rest of the CB Code and join up with the GCD and just start in carefully testing the waters... how is that for starters? no more onfo products which I know is retarded to do... ;-)
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    • Profile picture of the author dou9las
      Very glad I found this thread, and like everyone else, kudos to WebReview for the candid and straight dope. Was starting to think this "Michael Jones" had something special. The man certainly has a good salesletter (and that vid/voiceover) going for him. If he did nothing but that as a consultant for all of the other marketers, he would probably be in good shape. Or maybe he has a future in radio and infomercials...

      I think this is one of those cases of "write a killer sales page, then create the product to over deliver on value..." EXCEPT that he ran out of steam before getting to that last part.

      I hear Commission Blueprint is a better system and more value for the money. About to look for threads here about that.
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      • Profile picture of the author RussGu3
        Hey Truthspace - PARAGRAPHS please!!

        My two cents:

        I opted-in the day before yesterday to see what was behind the intro video, and today I received an email from Michael Jones about another product - Copy-N-Profit!

        Now, I'm not on any of his other lists, so it really surprised me to be getting pitched for some other product, rather than his own Clickbank Code.

        I also received a promo email from Jack Humphrey about this product - which gave me pause.

        Why did it give me pause? Because I had already visited this thread on day one and saw what the majority were saying about it.

        And getting a recommendation by Jack (someone I've never heard anything but good about) for this product reminded me of other well-respected marketers recommending complete junk to me in the past.

        Do these guys actually review the products? Or do they have their outsourcers do a quick review and throw together an email and load it into their autoresponder, so they can maintain a steady email profit stream?

        Who knows...

        One thing for sure. When that happens, the marketer's credibility is severely damaged in my eyes. And if it happens twice (Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me...), it's UNSUBSCRIBE TIME!!

        Like so many other people have said, the IM sphere is rife with $77 Clickbank/affiliate marketing products.

        There may be multiple ways to skin the proverbial cat, but in the end, what you end up with is the same thing - work results in profit.

        When you think about it, any one of us could take a collection of previously released $77 products - from Chris McNeeney, Chris Carpenter, Chris Rempel, Jonny Andrews and a dozen others - extract some key tidbits, put them into our own words and write our own ebook on Clickbank and affiliate marketing.

        Thus, the frequently used term - re-hashed.

        Hell, these guys rehash their own stuff on a regular basis!

        In fact, there are several courses out there that teach you how to do exactly that - either non-plagiaristically copy someone else's work and create a product of your own or rehash/rebrand/repackage your own stuff.

        Clearly, the more of these offerings you've bought and read, the less you are going to find that's new.

        I mean, it's not like Clickbank is restructuring their entire operation on a monthly basis, right?

        So, the primary target audience/customer base is the huge influx of IM newcomers (there's a sucker, I mean a customer born every minute...).

        You notice how all the newbie reviews seem positive, while the more advanced folks are tearing this apart?

        Maybe all of us more advanced folks should make sure all of our subscribers and customers know about this forum so they can at least get an idea about what they are being bombarded with before they unsuspectingly whip out their wallets.

        I know I've saved countless dollars and hours by being a frequent visitor of just this part of the forum.

        Over and out. Be well,
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        • Profile picture of the author sarahstaar
          Well all i can say is, this product has an amazing sales page. I have been told that the Clickbank Code sales page is bringing in over 100K a month !!
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        • Profile picture of the author truthspace
          Originally Posted by RussGu3 View Post

          Hey Truthspace - PARAGRAPHS please!!
          yes paragraphs are good... I know... haha

          Anywho The Clickbank Code is organized nicely and explains what you should to to get up an running... the major issue is: If it is for Newbies - you better be a rich Newbie. Cause how in the hell can you blow about 500 each day on adwords... wait for clickbank to pay you... and keep feeding adwords 500 a day... wow that would be nice but on this planet a newbie is not that flush with cash... you could do it for less but it doesn't work so well... I mean ya gotta follow the plan...

          O and I got all those cross promoting emails too - they must have partnered up because there products are in the top ten of clickbank so they figured what the hell lets team up and really cash in... good move if ya ask me both products aren't bad either...

          I just want some good intelligence software to show me PPC campaings to copy !!!! hahahahah is that GCD thing worth the 97 bucks a month membership? ahhhh I've heard alot of mixed wacked out pissed off people talk about that thing.... anybody got any new info on that?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Marshall
    Many thanks for your review- not only did it save me $77 but it also stopped me spending hours studying the videos and days/weeks trying it out.

    I can now go back to the marketing actions I was going to do today......I am so grateful to you!

    Kind regards,

    John.
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  • Profile picture of the author agrotags
    I am glad to find a forum where many people shared their experiences with these re-produced systems and with that given you the opportunity to choose to go for or not. I did purchased a product once from this same person, never got my requested refund back, his voice also helps him a lot in convincing people to buy his products but I already learned my lesson.
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  • Profile picture of the author buddy7
    xlfutur1 I totally agree with the NET after spending amount. Who cares if you made $120,000 in a month if you spent $110,000 to make it. (Not that $10,000 a month is something to sneeze at)

    I think the $500 for an adwords budget is just what most people say so that your add gets seen as much as possible. On most words when you are starting out you aren't going to be spending anywhere near that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maryleena
    I also bought CB-code a about a month ago, but I have refunded my purchse...I don't recomend it, you can get the same info for free, by looking for free e-books on the subject...Only thing I liked was the spreedshet he used to calculate if the product is worth buying ADs for.
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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by Maryleena View Post

      Only thing I liked was the spreedshet he used to calculate if the product is worth buying ADs for.
      The spreadsheet used was very poor quality in layout and design and in it's function

      i would grade it 1/10 if that, it should have had a pro build it up as that sheet can be totally automated and made into a far superior worksheet / workbook
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  • Profile picture of the author NightWolf
    I personally thought CB Code was pretty good. Having been through about 5+ courses, I thought this was the best, in regards to "Clickbanking". My full review in my sig.
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  • Profile picture of the author dontono7
    Thanks for the info all of you - this is why I'm here, to get the "real scoop" on what is real and what is made up.
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  • Profile picture of the author NightWolf
    I see a lot of people slagging how other "top marketers" will promote crap. To me, basically, u gotta make ur own judgment.

    I'm on the lists of around 10+ of those marketers, and yes, indeed they ALL promote the same products a lot of the time. I often see the EXACT same emails coming from 3-4 different marketers, obviously taken straight from the affiliate section of the product.

    But that's the nature of the business...And obviously it's successful for them, or they wouldn't be doing it. If they've got a list of 10,000 subscribers, and even just 5% take their recommendation, that's an easy $20k.

    Like Saj P said on his sales page for Zero Friction Marketing, he was "sickened" by the way some of those top guys talked about the fact that the people in their list "eat out of the palm of their hands" etc.

    Se la vie I suppose, that's the nature of Affiliate Marketing.

    Back to Clickbank Code, and the $500 ad-spend that freaks everyone out...obviously you can scale that down to say $100, $200, but use the same principles?

    My two cents...

    P.S. Yes, a lot of it is re-hashed, but what newbie or intermediate would buy a 2 year old product, knowing that in this business things change so often?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Storvik
      I admittedly am a newbie to internet marketing and I probably don't have anywhere near the experience that many of you have. I did buy the ClickBank Code back in May when it first came out. I have gone through the training material 3 times and I have been very impressed with his material. I have learned a lot and I have started to use his methods with a certain amount of success. His referencing $500/ day for advertising is only an arbitrary budget for example purposes and he actually guides and cautions you to use a much smaller amount in actual use. He in the testing non-live stage sets a budget high enough for the non-live test case to generate about 500 clicks per day. I think he would have been better off to use in his promotional material a smaller figure so as not to scare people away. I am not making a ton of money yet but I can say that I think his product is good and I have learned a lot from it. I wish you all the best!

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  • Profile picture of the author Judikke
    I also spent the $77 as i was looking for a place to start. I bought it because 'no experience' was required. But when i started watching the video's i understood rather quickly that infact you do need experience and that i needed to invest more than i had anticipated. Therefor i would not recommend this if you are just starting out.
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    • Profile picture of the author sarahstaar
      Originally Posted by Judikke View Post

      I also spent the $77 as i was looking for a place to start. I bought it because 'no experience' was required. But when i started watching the video's i understood rather quickly that infact you do need experience and that i needed to invest more than i had anticipated. Therefor i would not recommend this if you are just starting out.

      I think this happens a lot with IM products. the sales page says no experience needed, and I think they usually are referring to the fact that no experience in their systems is needed. This is very misleading as some people who are starting out do not have the basic skills such as registering a domain name and setting up web hosting.
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  • Profile picture of the author kevin_costy
    Hy everyone I am a newbie in the IM. I`m looking to start something but for mi is a little bit dificil because I live in Spain and my goals are to start a campaign in spanish for the moment but I have no luck with this at this moment, I think that The affiliate Code is more apropiate to beginners lessons,I have it and I learn something much more that you could learn from Clickbank Code and is more simple but it has his bugs(for example WordPress MU because that how you get advise to generate traffic to your site)and at this moment lots of this MU Blogs do not have signup and I think for this reason you have to go on your one in this chapter but for learning the first steps is pretty good
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  • Profile picture of the author CBSnooper
    Regarding the refund rate on CBSnooper, it cannot be calculated with any accuracy due to the way the $earned figure is calculated on Clickbank. If the vendor only has one product for that account then it should be reasonably accurate. That is, if we have managed to get the price of the product correct. If there is a zero refund rate, then it's probably because we haven't managed to get a price for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Teez
    The one good thing that click bank code has in my opinion is the traffic generation method in module 6 that is a true killer of a tactic. Maybe cos Im not as seasoned as others its a big deal to me but I found that an excellent tip,

    Then the next thing I found useful was the way to check how clickban k products are doing i.e amount of refunds e.t.c for any particular product, also his walk through the commission junction is also useful if your new to that.

    But these are useful if you already know how to seo ur site ie.
    pick a good domain name in ur chosen niche
    You know how to do the sitemap for your site and all that technical stuff ie metat tags and all.
    Write good content for ur site
    write articles to get backlinks to help u rank
    Post to do follow forums to help ur rankings.

    Iff you already know these things then like ur fairly out of the novice sector and u'll find some things in the clickbank code very useful.

    But if your a brand new newbie like I was some time ago then u may find you have more questions rather than solutions in this clickbank code.

    But luckily we have the wealth of knowledge here at WF if not we'd really be chasing a dream.
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  • Profile picture of the author Teez
    By the way I have a question if you have a blogger that ends in blogspot.com


    eg Teez.blogspot.com

    and then custom domain it to teez.com via blogger

    Then would be right in thinking I can still use the traffic generation techniques in module 6 of the clickbank code where M.Jones uses ''wp Mu's'' to drive traffic to his site.

    Cos I understand he says don't ever do it for a .com but if its technically a blog I just custom domained into a .com is that alright?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ishan Soni
    Instead of paying $500 on adwords, I would hire 2 full time outsourcers from phillipines at $250/person and get them to do article marketing for me full time.

    Long term massive traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jackaroo
    Originally Posted by DotMK View Post

    Hi All,

    Anyone puchased clickbank code? if so how have you found it, is the same recycled information, or worth purchasing...

    i understand i was only launched yesterday or today..
    I notice these posts were all in may 2009 ... any reports on the affectiveness of these products ... clickbank and affilliate code ... both seem almost identical.:confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    Well all i can say is, this product has an amazing sales page. I have been told that the Clickbank Code sales page is bringing in over 100K a month !!
    No I wouldn't mind a bit of that!

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  • Profile picture of the author bm029444
    His another product "The Affiliate Code" is excellent..... I really learned a lot form his modules.
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