JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script?

It's a good software. I have Fantasos. I think you should really
look at the features you want/need and assess what really makes
sense for your business.

Byron,
This greatly depends upon what you are using a membership site for ... Will soon be sending you an email for sneak peak also ...

James

I have the JV Manager script and use it for certain projects. It is a very good script but as James pointed out it depends on what you are using it for.

I thought about getting Fantasos but for what I would use it for I could not justify the purchase cost.

Al

Hi Byron,

Which JVManager script?

JVM-1 or Fantasos?

Brian

I searched for Fantasos but I see a message about the product completed its cycle or something. What's up with that?

Sure will keep you posted Byron, this is going to be a very powerful membership script that will offer many features many sites do not. It will also be very affordable for many people without selling their home to pay for it...

James

Hi Byron,

JV Manager is a powerful solution for anyone who wants to centralize their marketing efforts. JVM's replacement, Fantasos, is even more powerful than JVM was.
Easy Member Pro and amember cannot even be compared to Fantasos because they just are not in the same league. Fantasos has the ability to do nearly anything you can throw at it:
Integration with Numerous Pay Points including Paypal and Clickbank
Clickbank Affiliate Program integration
Affiliate Instant Bonus Delivery
Links directories
Banner Rotator
Custom Tags
Quick Resell
Questionnaires
Control User's Opt-Out Settings
Test Mode in Mass Mail
Testimonials
JV Event Manager
One Time Offers
Taxes
Shipping for physical Products
Coupons
Minisites
JV Products
Rewards
Points Systems
Integration with Aweber
Follow Up Manager
Invoices
Dynamic Pricing

This is not an exhaustive list, it goes on and on!
It will Not make coffee nor fry eggs, sorry...
But it will help you sell recipes and track everything you do.

It is so powerful that there's a few people that just cannot get their head around it. They want Ferrari capabilities with horse & buggy control panel. It takes time and effort to master but it comes with complete user manuals and videos.

And yes, it is being replaced by Delavo.
And yes, Delavo will be free for one week.
And although I haven't personally got into the cockpit yet, it is said that even granny can run it.

So, even I should be safe to take it for a spin

Interesting question. I too have interests in membership scripts, but that's in the future and this post strikes up new questions I never thought of. While many are saying to get the one that serves you best.... how is that possible when one is not sure how to determine what is best?

Sounds like Fantasos is the one to get, but what if one needs something more simple?

I don't have any irons in the fire yet about getting a membership offer up, but what if I a membership with some downloads, PDF's and viewable videos to train and learn from.... I'm not sure or know why someone would need something complicated for that. ?? Seems to me something less than Fantasos would be ok. Not sure, just thinking.

LastWarrior

I personally love amember. I've got 3 licenses which manage all of my membership sites and I've never had one problem.

It's probably not the best if you're technically challenged as you have to manually manage the members area (eg create your own pages etc..., as well as playing around with php and html if you want to personalize the style).

In regards to product security, I believe amember is the best.

I think it is real funny that the person who was told to either read the manuals or pay for a consultation instead of wasting hours and hours of the Fantasos forum moderators time EVERY day when he could easily find the answers in the manuals is the only person who has something negative to say about Fantasos. And BOTH moderators got tired of answering numerous questions every day, questions that could be answered by just reading the manuals. But because of laziness on that person's part, the moderators spent hours answering the simplest questions.

And I find it REALLY funny that although I write all the manuals, the help files, and hold a monthly 6 hour workshop on Fantasos teaching advanced procedures that I am not good at teaching. LOL That makes me laugh since I also spend approx 15 hours per week just consulting on Fantasos and am booked 3 weeks in advance. So if I can't teach, why do I have 15 people at my workshops (the maximum I will take) and approx 10 consults every week?

As far as reseller's go, ONLY JV Manager 1 is available from a reseller. John sold the MRR to it on the condition that the reseller supported his/her customers. Fantasos was NEVER available through a reseller. So don't believe erroneous information that has been posted here on this forum by someone that has turned people against him because of his continous negative attitude.

Fantasos is a complete business platform and is now being replaced by Delavo which is much simpler. And yes, I am again the only person (and only person authorized by John) who is writing the manuals, the help files and holding free workshops to teach people how to use Delavo.

And Delavo is not a new version of Fantasos as the code has been rewritten. So Kirk, get your facts straight before you start spouting garbage.

Don't listen to someone that is a very negative person. Listen to what everyone else is saying about the very best business platform available.

Donna

Fantasos and now Delavo leave EVERY other platform in the dust. NONE come even close to what Fantasos and Delavo can do.

And it is the most secure platform available. People have tried to hack it and ALL have failed.

Donna

I concur - Fantasos is SECURE! - if that is important to
you it's worth checking out. Presumably the new Delavo
platform will be secure the same way, engineered from
the ground up for reliability.

I'm not gushing - I've had my aggravations with Fantasos too -
like any advanced software YOU have to adapt to the way it
does things, and because it has a lot of flexibility there is
a cognitive bridge you have to build between what you want
you customers to experience and how to set up Fantasos to
do it. There is a solid logic behind it but if you want to do
fancy things you need to pay attention to the details.

Hi Byron,

I want to add just a few more points here for your consideration.

1. Delavo is FREE for the week of May 17. That's an easy price to pay.
2. Fantasos is no longer available, period!
   Now, John may offer resale rights to Fantasos in the future as he did with JVM-1. Who knows?
3. JVM-1 is still available through resellers.
   I am one of those resellers. But if I were to make a recommendation, I would recommend that You get it from Brian Collins. He probably has the best understanding of JVM-1 out of all the resellers, that I am aware of.
   When I need help with JVM-1, that's who I call. That's also who John recommended to me too.
4. As far as this controversy goes...well I say controversy helps inform those of us who don't know about the issues. If one person is unhappy with a product, and they express that. Then a whole gang of people jump in to defend the product as well as the product creator, that says as much about the product and the creator as it does the sour puss.
   Last but not least!
5. John said Delavo will always be available to TurboMembers, even after his Birthday event.

I hope that helps!

Your friend,
Scott

Why would anyone want to purchase JVmanager 1 when they can get Delavo for free?

While JV Manager 1 was a great script, it is out of date. And even though I am a reseller, I am telling ALL of my subscribers and customers to get Delavo.

Donna

If you want a good membership site script, PLUS the ability to run your entire online business in every single aspect, without having to re-install, re-setup, re-do, then you are in for a treat with Delavo.

I have tried and tested all membership scripts that are out there, heck I own ones that I can resell hosted accounts at, but there is only 1 script that makes sense, that is easy to use, that is secure and that does not limit me in my growth.

That has been Fantasos, now it is Delavo.

This is my honest opinion, and as a reviewer I am willing to put one on one to the test and show you why I strongly hold this belief.

And when I say I have tried them all, I have tried them all.

The ease of use of Fantasos, of Delavo allows you to use any program to create the website and then just add the control of security in a couple of simple steps, you can literally have unlimited levels of access, and control every aspect of your marketing and sales.

The only limit that I see to that script, is the limit of my imagination.

Nathan

Maybe the reason Fantasos is hard to understand is because of the user

I LEARNED Fantasos without any help files and without any manuals in just 10 days. I had to as John asked me to write the help files.

So I can't understand why anyone can't do the same when they have manuals, videos, help files and a forum.

Donna

LOL No problem Byron.

I should not have lost my temper as I have dealt with that person in the past and know what he is like.

But honestly, if you are looking for a membership script, do yourself a favor and get Delavo.

Not only will you be able to create unlimited memberships, but you can also create unlimited Products/Packages for all your products. And to show you how simple Delavo is, I can set up my Product, attach it to a Package, PLUS edit the templates so that the order pages and thank you page look just like my sales site and I can do that in 30 minutes. Yes I have done it multiple times so I am very fast at it but even fumbling along, it won't take you more than an hour maybe an 1 1/2 at the most.

Plus, you can set up and maintain unlimited affiliate programs. And Delavo supports UNLIMITED tiered commissions. So if you wanted to pay someone commissions at even the 100th tier, you can.

Now what other script offers that?

Plus, I will teach all new Delavo owners (well, minus one ) through FREE 4 hour workshops to be held 2x per week (Wed and Sat) for at least 3 months.

So since the platform is free, you will get manuals, videos, contextual help files, a forum, and workshops also for free. getting Delavo should be a no brainer!

So get Delavo and try it out. You really have nothing to lose.

Donna

Hi Byron

Delavo sets up the membership site. You will need to add content in the protected folder just as if it was a website. You cannot use the WYSIWYG editor for creating content for this folder.

Donna

Hi Byron,

Well, JVManager 1 seems to have gotten a little lost in this growing thread ;-)

I wouldn't write it off - for $97 it is still the best value (in my opinion) script for centralizing your core administration for products, memberships, affiliates, payment, delivery and security - yes I am a reseller (and am flattered by what has been said above).

Let's not lose sight that Fantasos and now Delavo have been built on the same basic model of JVManager 1 and Fantasos has been a great tool as a result and has evolved into an absolute monster of a script as a result - I for one am looking forward to still using it for years to come in addition to using Delavo - which has been stated many times would be crazy not to pick it up for free.

I don't have an awful lot of information on Delavo, except to say that John is generously offering it for free starting tomorrow (may 17th - his birthday) - no purchase required, I will personally be picking up my copy and playing with it and adding it to my arsenal of scripts (I will also happily pay for any plugins produced and any support that I am asked to).

Personalities and (fierce) loyalties aside, this family of scripts continue to make me money and a lot of others that I know - yes there are other scripts that can provide functionalities that are similar but I have yet to find one that I trust with my business more.

You don't have to beleive me but the ONLY thing I have added to the basic core of the JVM's is a CMS platform (by the same man) and a help desk system (by another company - John doesn't do one - yet) - starting off for free with Delavo or JVM-1 for $97, in my opinion is a smart move that will take your business forward without having to worry about the important stuff like taking orders (direct or affiliate generated), presenting them to Paypal (and others) and delivering the goods.

Watch out though ;-) you will become a fan.

Brian

It really depends on your business. I have simple membership sites that use a basic script like Memberfire (which is super cheap and works well), but I also have sites that use more advanced and much more expensive member scripts - it really depends on the site you are building and what your requirements are, plus what your budget is.

Hi Brian

Yes I do have an advantage as I have been able to play with Delavo for awhile now.
And I am very impressed with what I have seen. But that shouldn't be a surprise since John created it!

Donna

I don't know anything about Delavo but amember is a great membership script. I found JVM extremely difficult and never did get it setup. I was able to setup amember myself. There isn't much need for knowledge of php if that is what you are concerned about. I am currently running two membership sites with amember and it is flawless.

Well, there are step by step manuals, videos, workshops, a forum, and 1 on 1 help from me via Skype (and ALL free) to get anyone up and running with Delavo ASAP.

And since Delavo is much more then a membership script, it only makes sense to get it when it is offered for free. Why waste time on something that canonly run your memberships when Delavo can run your entire Internet business?

I have used Fantasos since it was released and I can't say enough good things about it. I run all my products, my 4 membership sites, and ALL of my affiliate programs through just this one platform. And while some people say that it is difficult to learn, I have never thought that. I have found that those who think so have not used what is available: manuals, videos, forum, etc. Nor did they experiment with setting up procedures as outlined in the manuals and videos.

Delavo is the next generation and I am really looking forward to using it, especially since John said yesterday that every Fantasos owner with a PAID support subscription will get Delavo equal to Fantasos v1.18 at NO charge.

And even if you don't have Fantasos, the core Delavo far surpasses anything else available.

And to sweeten the deal, I will PERSONALLY help you understand how Delavo works and at NO charge whatsoever. So why would you pass on getting Delavo?

Donna

WOW!!!

Talk about a spirited discussion

Let me see if I can offer something for consideration as to the statement of "Lifetime Upgrades" to Fantasos...

Let's compare John's 3 Business Platforms (JV Manager, Fantasos and the NEW Delavo) to Microsoft's Windows Products.

Let's say JV Manager is like Window 95.

John SOLD JV Manager and Microsoft SOLD Windows 95.

Both were delivered with the promise of "FREE UPGRADES through the life of the product." And customers rejoiced.

JV Manager was revolutionary to the industry. It brought everyone to the next level and it set the stage for future growth...It brought the concept of centralization to an industry that desparately need it.

Windows 95 was revolutionary to the industry. It brought everyone to the next level and it set the stage for future growth...It brought Personal computing our of the "dark ages" of DOS and into the modern world.

John made NUMEROUS upgrades to JV Manager (For FREE).

Microsoft made NUMEROUS upgrades to Windows 95 (For FREE).

But the industry continued to evolve and become more sophisticated.

This forced John (& Microsoft) to contemplate how they would evolve their incredible products.

In the end, John (& Microsoft) made the decision to create a new platform to take advantage of the technological improvements made during the time of those products. And, both made the decision to halt development of the existing products.

From John, out came Fantasos... And from Microsoft, came Windows XP.

John told all the owners of JV Manager, that while Fantasos is a completely NEW product that pales in comparison to JV Manager...they will get a FREE upgrade to Fantasos. Some owners of JV Manager grumbled as they accused John of reneging on his promise of "FREE Upgrades". And John had to defend himself.

Now, what did Microsoft do...

Microsoft told all the owners of Windows 95...that Windows 95 is no longer the current product. There will be no more development on Windows 95. It is replaced by Windows XP. And that if you want to remain current you NEED to PURCHASE the UPGRADE to Windows XP...and by the way, it will cost you $100 per upgrade (I think that was the price at the time). Owners of Windows 95 grumbled but they kept hearing how good WinXP is and that is was light years ahead of Win95...that in the end, they all sucked it up and decided to give Microsoft they hard earned money.

And John then once again promised FREE lifetime upgrades to owners of Fantasos. And, Microsoft promised FREE lifetime upgrades to owners of Windows XP.

John continues to develop and evolve Fantasos for the next few years as does Microsoft with Windows XP.

But the industry continued to evolve and become more sophisticated.

This forced John (& Microsoft) to contemplate how they would evolve their incredible products.

In the end, John (& Microsoft) made the decision that it is once again necessary to create a new platform to take advantage of the technological improvements made during the time of those products. And, both made the decision to halt development of the existing products.

John began working on "Fantasos 2"...and told all owners of Fantasos...that he has begun development of "Fantasos 2" and that when it releases it, they will get it FREE of Charge and it will be GREAT. Please trust him. And John went back to developing "Fantasos 2".

Microsoft began working on Windows Vista and told all the owners of Windows XP...Windows Vista is GREAT, You will Love it... BUT it will cost you $200-400 per upgrade (depending on the version you want).

Users of Windows XP grumbled but in the end many decided to pay their money and upgrade to Windows Vista. And MANY were unhappy and "STUCK" with Windows Vista. BECAUSE Microsoft DOES NOT give refunds. Have a Nice Day...

John continues to develop on "Fantasos 2". It begins "morphing" into a greatly changed and improved product that takes advantage of all the latest and greatest technological advances of the past few years. (during the life of Windows Vista).

Windows Vista is a PR nightmare. Users of Windows Vista revolt and begin defecting to Apple and Linux. Microsoft must do something to stop the bleeding. So, Microsoft scrambles to make its successor, Window 7.

John stops to evaluate what he has created in "Fantasos 2". And although it might "resemble" Fantasos...it is most certainly an entirely new platform. It is obvious that "this creation" is definitely no longer "Fantasos 2". John must make a decision to make. And he announces that he is stopping development of "Fantasos 2" and that in fact, he will be releasing an incredible new business platform codename "D". More details will be forthcoming... But don't worry...John will make it right.

John now continues development in earnest on "D" and Microsoft continues to scramble with Windows 7 development.

Finally, John is comfortable with "D" that he is ready to announce its pending arrival. It is officially known as "Delavo". John knows he made a promise to Fantasos Owners they would get "Lifetime free upgrades to Fantasos"...but this is no longer Fantasos.

So, even though this is not Fantasos, John decides to honor his promise and will give all Fantasos Owners a FREE upgrade to Delavo. In fact, he says that for exactly one week, he will give EVERYONE a FREE copy of Delavo (that wishes to get one).

And Microsoft announces that Windows 7 will be released to the public in the 3rd quarter of 2009...and it will be GREAT... It will be everything Windows Vista should have been...BUT if you want it, be prepared to pay $200-$400 per upgrade)...as this is no longer Windows Vista...BUT you want this because it will fix all the shortcomings of Windows Vista.

JV Manager & Fantasos Owners begin to grumble that John is breaking his promise of free lifetime upgrades. They make accusations that Delavo is nothing more than Fantasos 2 renamed so he doesn't have to honor his promises.

Windows Vista owners are outraged at having to purchase Windows 7...but they say in desparation "FINE, we will pay you once again... When can we get it as Windows Vista SUCKS".

John Delavera says to the world... please come download Delavo for FREE (for this week*). It will be better than anything you have every seen. And, JV Manager Owners...while many of you upgraded to Fantasos for FREE...you can also upgrade to Delavo (including any Fantasos plugins you have) at a greatly reduced rate... and Fantasos owners...remember... you will get Delavo (including all your Fantasos plugins) for FREE...

But yet for some JV Manager / Fantasos owners this is just not good enough. They want, expect and demand more!!!

Hmmm... I wonder how many of thos JV Manager / Fantasos Owners are also Microsoft customers that purchased Windows 95, purchased Windows XP, purchased Windows Vista and are eagerly awaiting the opportunity to purchase Windows 7.

Come on folks... what more do you want from John...as apparently he is certainly less ethical than Microsoft in trying to dupe everyone into buying Delavo!!!

Oh well... I guess it takes all kinds and it just proves that there are those that will always expect and demand something for FREE...

How do you get Devalo?

Everytime I think I am getting it I have to opt in to another list. After three list opt in exercises I just gave up.

Sorry, it is my fault as I have not finished the help files and manuals yet. But I am working all day and night along with 2 others to get them completed ASAP. And it is VERY time consuming to write, take screenshots, edit, etc.

As soon as I have finished at least the help files, John will release Delavo(tm). So please, no one blame John. It is because I want all those files to be perfect that Delavo(tm) has not been released yet.

Donna

Hi dgerik (Dennis),

Good comparison, i'll ask John the same question I asked Bill (never got an answer from Bill though) - any unmarried sisters? ;-)

Brian

Nanohits

No The help desk is for TECHNICAL problems only. Usage problems were for the forum.

And we mods don't mind answering questions if someone has a problem. BUT not 27 questions in 2 hours when the answers are in the manuals and in the videos. And not every day being asked multiple questions when the answer is in the manuals.

While we will help when needed, it is not our job to teach someone how to USE Fantasos. And not to spend 2-3 hours EVERY day answering questions from just one person. That gets frustrating REAL fast. Besides which I know of NO mod that spends that amount of time answering questions from a single person.

And I put on 6 hour workshops 2x a day for 4 days straight to teach people Fantsos. I couldn't even talk afterwards! These were free for everyone to attend. Now what other script owner offered that? And if someone chose not to attend, I don't feel they have any right to complain in the future.

And I am offering free workshops for Delavo that will span 12 weeks. Now if someone choses not to attend, I again don't think it is my job to spend 2-3 hours every day answering questions when they can find them in the manuals.

It got to the point that other people on the forum PMed me asking me if this guy was for real or was he just trying to get me aggravated.

After WEEKS of this, and I do mean weeks, we mods told him ro read the manuals, view the videos, or pay for a consultation with someone. And I would do the same thing again.

Donna

I've just read all the posts in this thread and surprised that people are having second thoughts of whether to get Delavo or not.

I may be biased because I've used JVManager and later Fantasos. I made 5 figures last year (maybe small to some) but I owe it twice to to Fantasos and John.

Fantasos was phenomenally great and John (as a person) is one of the nicest and visionary man that I've known.

If you are still on the fence, then drop over to the Delavo side. Sign up and get Delavo for free while you still can. Even if you have no plans on installing it yet.

Then watch the videos, flip through the manuals, go into the forum, attend the webinars and then decide for yourself. With the multiple support channels all given for free, I don't think you'll get lost.

And I read that for Delavo, John is relaxing the requirements if SKILLED user want to write his own manual. The details have not been released yet but I'm already setting up a "Mastermind Club"
(link in my sig - free access)

Soon enough not only you'll be getting the official help, but the knowledgebase of Delavo will grow. All thanks to the "unofficial" but skilled users that will share their wisdom with us all.
(Most of these people have posted in this thread )

JVManager/Fantasos/Delavo is not "difficult". But rather than just words, let us show you how simple and how powerful Delavo can be.

Just be prepared in what you'll discover

Hi,

Looks like Delavo is getting close - the system at use-sell has already changed over...

Brian

I'm an owner of Fantasos and am confused on how Delavo is "Free" when I have emails from John saying I can only get it if I pay "a SYMBOLIC fee" of $297 for the support area.
Am I missing something here?
Thanks

I tried several membership site scripts and settled on JV Manger. It allows me to do individual product, multiple membership sites and works from one location over many domains.

A Big Thumbs Up From Me!

Alex

Hi people

No worries.

I had forgot 1 small detail
There is no problem with the new registrations.

All are under control.

Please try again once more and if you have no luck, then submit a ticket to the
helpdesk. Ed & Eric will give guide you.

If you have already opened a ticket you will get a mass email in some minutes.

Sorry about that

John

BTW... in almost all of the cases, only a human mistake can cause
problems to Delavo

John

Everyone must be trying to register at the same time, best idea is to wait a few hours before trying to register because it seems the server is having a fit:

"Internal Server Error. The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster @ jvmanager.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."

Looking forward to trying it out

Regards

James Harkin

I must admit that Delavo is not looking great at the moment.. I know that John might be a great coder/designer in a lot of peoples eyes, but for someone new to him its not looking too good...

1) It was suppose to go live sometime last week.. But actually went live about four days later.. I know and understand that people had to get things done, i.e the manuals before they can hand out the product.. Then if that was the case John should not had been advertising until he knew everything was right/done..

2) Since it has gone live. I cant access anything with my login details at all that was supplied via email.. I cant even access the support desk to sudmit a ticket..

Dont get me wrong the script Delavo and the ones he has done in the past might be fanastic but to a newbie to him its put you off with all the problems getting the free script..

I am sort of in limbo at the moment.. I want to get my membership site up and running asap, but I cant...

Hi Thomas

Did you sign up for the norification list at Delaverianmarketing.com?

A message was sent to all of those on the notification list at just past midnight on Mon. The email was titled Get DELAVO - Instructions

That email contained a link to the order page of Delavo.

I am not sure what emails you received but this email is the one that will get you to your Delavo download.

Donna

Ari - I return the wishes. Thanks
Thomas - no need to continue this. Sorry if I sounded as an egoist.

Please work with the support team for all issues.

Thanks

I would personally like to thank the following people for helping me out and finally get a working Devalo system on my domain name

Donna Walsh
Brian Collins
& Gordon Sheppard

Thank You Guys

Hi Michael,

I am also a Turbo member - where are you getting less than you had access to before - the version of Fantasos which is now Delavo has all the features it had before.

What you have downloaded is the version that is designed for people to host on their own server and can be added to with plugins.

I got the same e-mail (which actually requested that the information be kept private for turbo members) and thought it was a very nice gesture to give such a whopping discount - because John looks after his Turbo Members.

Brian

Michael

You should not be revealing information that was ONLY meant for TMers. You just cut off your nose to spite your face. How do you ever expect John to willingly help you in the future? Or any of us that are loyal followers for that matter? What a dumb thing you did.

And so what if you are not getting what long time TMers have. You should have joined the TM sooner. And in any case, the free version of Delavo will be sufficient for at least 80% of internet marketers.

Donna

Nope You can run unlimited memberships, products, affiliates through Delavo.

Donna

Hi Michael,

There are two things that seem to getting confused here.

As a turbo member, you get access to use a full blown Fantasos/Delavo account - nothing has been taken away and nothing has been added - only a script upgrade has happened.

The Free version of Delavo that you now have is an entirely seperate thing - if you want to host a version of Delavo on your own server then that is what you would use - it is a basic version which can be added to with plugins if you want.

You have access to the most powerful version through your membership.

As you saw with the e-mail that should not have been leaked - John has kindly discounted the cost of adding the plugins to bring the free version which you can host on your own server at a special Turbo Members price (I repeat he always looks after his loyal members).

Brian

Hmm... This seems more like an exclusive club than helping people out. I can see Mikes point and am starting to wonder from all the fanbois/fangals when someone says they had problems downloading or logging in, the usual answer from fanbois are, well I didnt have any problems so i have no idea why you are having the problem. As a matter of fact I had all kinds of problems and after a while got through but I can tell you the whole process is so convulated and confusing and there needs to be an easier way.

Just seems like if someone is negative or brings anything up negative, all the fanbois are very agressive to knock that person off. The case for Mike for example is not go to trial. Its more like shoot first then ask questions. People do make mistakes, give them a chance to correct it or get an explanation from them before terminating them. And from reading this entire thread, Donna seems to be particularly aggressive and harsh and seems less tolerant.

Just remember as in life if someone makes a mistake you dont just terminate them without asking them why they have done it or getting their point of view. As in any contract if a mistake has been done, there is always something called a cure and cause to work things out before termination.

P.S: Hope I am not a marked man for posting my opinion when I try out Delavo

I don't need ro find any tolerance especially with people who are not trustworthy. How can you trust somebody that will reveal privileged information? And you think I should find tolerance for somebody like that? I think not.

He ASSUMED something then instead of finding out facts decided to sling mud. So he deserved being hit back. And again 7 others also thought what he did was inexcusable.

He was completely wrong and that is it.

Donna

Hmmm. As an outsider looking in, I didnt notice any mudslinging. Didnt even know he breached anything until I saw your aggressive post..

Anyways I am just saying in this entire thread, you have come across more as a zealot than anything else where you are ready to pounce on any negative feedback.

That is your opinion and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

In my opinion, he came here slinging mud. I slung back.

End of the converstion.

Good motto... Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth

Just like the bible says

Yeah difference is thats the old testament, not the new testament. New Testament teaches more tolerance

To each their own. You live like you like but that doesn't mean everyone else should too. Again your opinion is your opinion, that doesn't make your opiniion right nor does it make it wrong. It is just your opinion.

You think I am wrong. I don't. Again your opinion is not the same as mine. Doesn't make you right, doesn't make you wrong. Doesn't make me right, doesn't make me wrong.

Since you don't know what my religion is, you don't know if I follow the old or the new testament. And which one I do, or even if I do, is up to me.

Fair enough,

Just FYI, I am a possible future customer of Delavo but I will evaluate it and see what Delavo can do before taking the plunge to buy up the plugins etc and will wait to hear from other newbies on what the customer service is like rather than only hearing from fanbois who have either worked for John or have some interests as volunteers for the program which most seem to be from reading this thread. But I am being put off by a lot of hostility shown thus far. Would be nice if more tact was shown and some fresh air instead of steam. Will also be nice to see crticism be taken in good spirit rather than saying its my opinion and I will do what I want, you do what you want. This is an open forum, many are watching whats being typed in this thread.

HTML clipboardHi everybody

I'd like to personally thank Michael for his PM.


The use of the right communication
funnels is the best and easiest way
to reach the solution faster and
without any danger to be misunderstood.

While Michael has been a new TMer,
only for a few days, and the TM is
quite huge for grasping the feeling of
the community and its rules, he did
a mistake, and recognized it, the mistake
had its consequences; we both understood
each other, there is no issue today and
we move on.

Peace.

I'd also like to thank all the TMers
for standing by the TM and me personally
and thus proving once more the integrity
and the solidarity of our turbo community.

We are not against to the CONSTRUCTIVE criticism
- that's how we are improving ourselves anyway.
And of course we are all supporters of freedom
to all levels, starting from the personal level and ending
up to the mental freedom that in turn leads us to our
successes in business. Thus rest assured we do
recognize to all the right to talk free and we also
demand the same right for ourselves too.

However as TMers we use to count our words
and know that each word counts, and that's
how we prefer to allow our actions to speak;
instead of publishing our frustrations, we choose
to work for a solution silently and see the process
as a learning experience.


If our actions when defending what we feel
is right and fair or unfair and bad, seem quite
hyperbolic is because we are are all quite a bit more
sensitive to some specific things that have to
do with ethics, integrity and discipline to their
extreme extent. That's why we may shout some
times - please do not consider it as an example
of a bad soul, but instead try to translate it as an
expression of a heart that has been hurt on a
personal and also on the community's level; that
heart is also entitled to exercise freedom of speech,
sometimes loudly - accordingly to the extent
of the damage and pain.

If you have the smallest doubt about
all the above, you can allow time to be
the fairest judge anyway.


Thanks in advance for your understanding,


John Delavera

The proper help funnel set up by John is to go to the forum. But also in that email is my Skype name where I can be contacted and my Turbo email address. So there is more help offered then just being sent to the forum.

And I didn't say I spoke to a lot of new TMers. I said several which was 3 out of hundreds and actually those 3 wanted to know what they should do next.

Donna