JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script?

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Alright warriors

I am looking for people who have used the JV Manager script to find out if its the best out there....

Or what else would you recommended?

I have recently purchased Easy Member Pro, which does not have all the features that the top level scripts comes with...
#manager #membership #script
  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    It's a good software. I have Fantasos. I think you should really
    look at the features you want/need and assess what really makes
    sense for your business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

      It's a good software. I have Fantasos. I think you should really
      look at the features you want/need and assess what really makes
      sense for your business.

      I hear that Fantasos is about $3000 or something like that.. Way way expensive for the normal average joe
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      • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
        Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

        I hear that Fantasos is about $3000 or something like that.. Way way expensive for the normal average joe
        Hi Byron

        Yes it was but you can no longer even buy Fantasos. But you can get Delavo for free. And I think everyone can afford that!

        Donna
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        • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
          Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

          Hi Byron

          Yes it was but you can no longer even buy Fantasos. But you can get Delavo for free. And I think everyone can afford that!

          Donna
          Im looking into at the moment.. Already on the Notification lists for when it goes live tomorrow.. I did notice something, that certains bits are not included, such as oto part.. Howerver you have to buy a plugin to get that feature, Im just wondering how much roughly would the plugins be??
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          • Profile picture of the author TanB
            Kirk

            I don't like taking other people's role (moderators), but please read the first rule of this forum:

            "The main overriding rule for this forum is this:

            If you have a problem with another Warrior, a Guru, or God, take it up with them directly. Not here. No exceptions."

            http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ead-first.html

            Apparently you got tired asking your questions and started trying to spread the "bad word" about Fantasos in other forums. As an FYI: answers of all your questions can be found in Fantasos manuals created by Donna Walsh which has done an excellent job documenting how this Internet Marketing spacecship (Fantasos) works, as well as in online Fantasos help. Probably, the only "How To" missing in those manuals is: "How To prepare a coffee, using Fantasos"...

            Regarding your:

            So think through your needs very carefully so that you know exactly how you want to work, and then see if one of them can verify that it will do what you want.
            before preaching this, you should apply that thinking to yourself... In Fantasos case: to me all comes down to a very simple question: "love it or leave it!" Apparently you don't love it. Then leave it! It is this simple...

            Regarding the new tool, Delavo (TM), from what is being published so far it looks very, very user friendly and not only Fantasos users, but every newbie will be able to start using it as soon as (s)he is sitting in the driver's seat

            Originally Posted by 1 Marketing.

            ...Well we can here just either confirm that JV Manager is the best membership script or give our suggestion...
            We are not being forced to confirm that something is the BEST membership site, ebook, script, video, etc, etc... We all are giving our opinions and yes, we can give suggestions, but should be more considerate and without throwing mud, because as they say: "Your freedom to swing your fist stops where other's face begins"

            Originally Posted by Byron_Wells

            ...Howerver you have to buy a plugin to get that feature, I'm just wondering how much roughly would the plugins be??
            Byron,

            John is giving the gun for free and he is charging only for the bullets we need, which is a very, very smart way of marketing (Hats off to John Delavera one more time for showing a great marketing method!). Knowing the way he deals with his subscribers, I don't think John will be asking for an arm and a leg to get the bullets (plugins) we need... Although being an average Joe, I can confirm that by getting Fantasos when was released through a MegaEvent, I did get much more value for my money that what I paid for (I really mean it). Again, it all comes down to a very simple situation: be more open minded and, get the bigger picture... and do your part because Fantasos/Delavo, etc are only tools (great tools, indeed). We are the ones that should put them to work...

            That is all I can say

            TanB
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            • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
              Originally Posted by TanB View Post

              Kirk

              I don't like taking other people's role (moderators), but please read the first rule of this forum:

              "The main overriding rule for this forum is this:

              If you have a problem with another Warrior, a Guru, or God, take it up with them directly. Not here. No exceptions."
              Tan,

              The original post asked a question. I answered it.

              If you had read my post, you would see that I mentioned that Fantasos is very powerful.

              You also said "Love it or leave it." I have no problem with the software, only the difficulty of learning to use it, which is a very big consideration for anyone buying any sort of software these days. Not just will it be kept up to date, but "Can I use it?"
              You can see from the litany of posts about the software that many people recognize its power. You can also see see some say you have to accept it as being hard to understand.

              I don't need hard to understand. I need clarity in the written word.

              Kirk
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              • Profile picture of the author NetMan
                Kirk man you have balls dude!

                You should reread yourself, indeed you personally attacked 2 persons in here, an answer that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread and was not necessary to express you "opinion" about the software.

                Especially after ALL the help you received in the Fantasos forum, granted to you form benevolent persons btw.

                Cheers....

                Andre Foisy

                Originally Posted by Kirk Ward View Post

                Tan,

                The original post asked a question. I answered it.

                If you had read my post, you would see that I mentioned that Fantasos is very powerful.

                You also said "Love it or leave it." I have no problem with the software, only the difficulty of learning to use it, which is a very big consideration for anyone buying any sort of software these days. Not just will it be kept up to date, but "Can I use it?"
                You can see from the litany of posts about the software that many people recognize its power. You can also see see some say you have to accept it as being hard to understand.

                I don't need hard to understand. I need clarity in the written word.

                Kirk
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                • Profile picture of the author Sonja
                  Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel View Post

                  Hi John,

                  Clarification please -- does that mean after 7 days of using it a purchase will be required? Or does it mean that the free offer is available for 7 days (whoever gets it during those 7 days gets to keep it free)?

                  Thanks,

                  Gene
                  Hi Gene,

                  It means that it is yours to keep for free


                  Originally Posted by NetMan View Post

                  Kirk man you have balls dude!

                  You should reread yourself, indeed you personally attacked 2 persons in here, an answer that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread and was not necessary to express you "opinion" about the software.

                  Especially after ALL the help you received in the Fantasos forum, granted to you form benevolent persons btw.

                  Cheers....

                  Andre Foisy
                  Andre,

                  Exactly!
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        • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
          It seems my opinion has sparked some harsh responses. That doesn't surprise me.

          The quote below is a private message I received from one of the persons mentioned in my post.
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          Interpret it as you will. I was expressing my opinion, based on the messages I received and the responses I have been given. This response seems to support what I run into in conversations with others who have abandoned the software.

          Although I will go back and do it, I have not read all the responses from the involved parties, and I probably won't respond.

          I will state that mechanically the software is excellent. It is very powerful and has many features that other softwares lack.

          It is understanding it and getting how to use it questions answered that is difficult and confusing and why I feel I have received better support from users than the developer and his lovely assistant. It is also a common thread among others I encounter, even when they are thrilled with it's power. The lack of some flexibility in the script is a result of its structure, not its power. And, the structure is fine for many users. Each software has its limitations.

          So now, as promised, here is the quote from the moderater of the Fantasos support forum.

          Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

          You are such an asshole!
          Don't ever and I mean EVER ask me any questions about either Fantasos or Delavo because you will never get an answer from me again.

          Ever heard the saying "Bite off your nose to spite your face"? Well you sure did.

          Donna
          Now Donna, that was downright tacky. And very similar to your response when I was asking questions about how to use certain features of the script.

          Jeez.
          Kirk
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          • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
            Jeez Kirk

            Truth hurts, doesn't it! And when I am publicly attacked, I WILL retaliate.

            And No, I will not answer any questions from you about Fantasos OR Delavo as you have attacked me on the Fantasos forum as well as here. Didn't your mother ever teach you NOT to bite the hand that feeds you? Or as I said, You bit off your nose to spite your face. Why should I waste my VERY valuable time with you when there are many people who are much more worthy?

            And IF you had read the manuals, YOU would have found the answers to all of your VERY simple questions that WERE answered in the manuals.

            Should I post here some of the LENGTHY questions you posted on the Fantasos forum? And then my answers? Threads that spanned hours, threads in which you were told to read the manuals as you would find the answers there. Answers that were readily found in the manuals but you were too lazy to read?

            As I told you on the Fantasos forum, it was not MY job to teach you how to use Fantasos. For that you needed to READ the manuals or pay for a consultation. You didn't like that response and from that day forward attacked me and John. Just as you have done here.

            Your byline under your pic says it all.

            Donna
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            • Profile picture of the author Alminc
              JV Manager / Fantasos is much more than membership management system. Memberships are only one of many features in Fantasos.

              If you are looking for the script that is specialised for membership sites, then aMember Pro is the answer. It has no bugs at all, many integration modules, it's stable, reliable software. Also very simple to use and extremely cheap for what you get.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Byron,
    This greatly depends upon what you are using a membership site for ... Will soon be sending you an email for sneak peak also ...

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Byron,
      This greatly depends upon what you are using a membership site for ... Will soon be sending you an email for sneak peak also ...

      James
      James

      No probs keep me posted
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      • Profile picture of the author TeamGlobal
        Hi Byron,

        I've used a number of different membership solutions. I have found Fantasos to be very convenient for running mutiple membership sites from one central control panel.

        Best of luck in finding what you need.

        All The Best,


        Tony
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        • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
          I have used both JVManager and Fantasos.

          They are both powerful and complicated. The developer does not do a good job of explaining them, and he seems to be paranoid about anyone else trying to develop training materials for them.

          If you buy from a reseller, you need to find out how well they support the system. Some of the resellers can do a better job of teaching and coaching. I've had good help from Brian Collins and Debbie Songster, but not so good from Donna (forget the last name) or from John himself.

          Both Brian and Debbie are big fans of the Fantasos power.

          But, there are some areas in which, in addition to being complicated, the software is not as flexible as some people need. So think through your needs very carefully so that you know exactly how you want to work, and then see if one of them can verify that it will do what you want.

          Cheers,
          Kirk
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by warezguy45 View Post

      amember is good as well i think. secures all your site properties
      I really do hope that is just a fluke in the creation of your forum username .... :confused:

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author Al Andrews
    I have the JV Manager script and use it for certain projects. It is a very good script but as James pointed out it depends on what you are using it for.

    I thought about getting Fantasos but for what I would use it for I could not justify the purchase cost.

    Al
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  • Profile picture of the author UncleHQ
    Hi Byron,

    Which JVManager script?

    JVM-1 or Fantasos?

    Brian
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by briancol View Post

      Hi Byron,

      Which JVManager script?

      JVM-1 or Fantasos?

      Brian

      I was at the time looking at JV Manager 1... But I am open to any suggestions
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    I searched for Fantasos but I see a message about the product completed its cycle or something. What's up with that?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
      Originally Posted by dvduval View Post

      I searched for Fantasos but I see a message about the product completed its cycle or something. What's up with that?
      It means the developer promised lifetime upgrades, so he's ending the products development life and is building a new product. The new product was going to be a new version of Fantasos, until someone reminded him he promised lifetime upgrades. Then it became something else.

      Cheers,
      Kirk
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      • Profile picture of the author stevenh512
        Originally Posted by Kirk Ward View Post

        It means the developer promised lifetime upgrades, so he's ending the products development life and is building a new product. The new product was going to be a new version of Fantasos, until someone reminded him he promised lifetime upgrades. Then it became something else.

        Cheers,
        Kirk
        The developer also made it pretty clear on the website for the new product (DELAVO), that current Fantasos owners will get a free upgrade to DELAVO along with any plugins they need to match the same functionality of their current Fantasos installation. Since DELAVO is based on the same "engine" as Fantasos and you're getting a version of it that includes all the same functionality (as well as the ability to add more functionality to it by buying new plugins), I don't see how that violates the promise of "lifetime upgrades" just because the name has been changed.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Delavera
        Originally Posted by Kirk Ward View Post

        It means the developer promised lifetime upgrades, so he's ending the products development life and is building a new product. The new product was going to be a new version of Fantasos, until someone reminded him he promised lifetime upgrades. Then it became something else.

        Cheers,
        Kirk
        Kirk

        I am becoming paranoid with statements like that one, because you
        see everything through your own spectrum, ignoring ANY other color
        except from yours, which in most of the cases is black.

        So please do me a favor and be good.

        You forgot to tell people that ALL customers of Fantasos get DELAVO
        for free as an UPGRADE - as promised.

        You forgot to tell people that ex JVManager users also got Fantasos
        for free, an an UPGRADE and as promised.

        You forgot to tell people that even JVManager users that paid less
        then $50, ALSO have an option to get DELAVO for free along with all
        the plugins that make it equal to Fantasos.

        In sum: you forgot to describe all the other beautiful colors of the
        spectrum apart from the black one, which equals to the color of
        the dark and you know that it's quite difficult for someone to find
        in the dark where truth stands, especially in a public forum.

        You have the liberty to enjoy your personal sphere of freedom and
        continue with your logic and way of thinking and be as much black
        as you want, for as long you do not penetrate my personal sphere
        of freedom by insulting to my colors, that are certainly not black,
        unless you hit me.

        As for the paranoia you mentioned, yes I did not want anyone to
        start publishing "manuals" about Fantasos because just imagine:

        WITH the official manuals offered of more than 1000 pages in total
        and all the videos, there are people like you that see everything black.

        What would then happen if someone that has a talent to produce
        terrible "manuals" by describing 1/2 of the functionality, started
        delivering those manuals online...

        What if many others that have the same talent started creating
        manuals only for monetizing on that "help" presented as a "need"
        ONLY by those that decided to count on "free" support instead
        of following the official paths and thus be happy turbo customers....

        Give people (and me) a break please.

        John
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        • Profile picture of the author stevenh512
          Originally Posted by John Delavera View Post

          You forgot to tell people that even JVManager users that paid less
          then $50, ALSO have an option to get DELAVO for free along with all
          the plugins that make it equal to Fantasos.
          Now this I wasn't aware of. Just curious, does this include people who bought the original JVManager through a reseller? DELAVO alone looks like a pretty powerful system, but to have all the plugins that make it do everything Fantasos can do would be awesome.
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        • Profile picture of the author 1 Marketing
          okey John Delavera,

          You seem tough on Kirk... Well we can here just either confirm that JV Manager is the best membership script or give our suggestion. I must say if Byron_Wells has baught Easy Member Pro and not satisfied then let him try JV Manager.

          JV Manager certainly has some extra feature as compared to commonly used scripts.
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          • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
            I think Kirk was pretty tough on John and it was NOT warranted.

            Donna

            Originally Posted by 1 Marketing View Post

            okey John Delavera,

            You seem tough on Kirk... Well we can here just either confirm that JV Manager is the best membership script or give our suggestion. I must say if Byron_Wells has baught Easy Member Pro and not satisfied then let him try JV Manager.

            JV Manager certainly has some extra feature as compared to commonly used scripts.
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          • Profile picture of the author John Delavera
            Originally Posted by 1 Marketing View Post

            okey John Delavera,

            You seem tough on Kirk... Well we can here just either confirm that JV Manager is the best membership script or give our suggestion. I must say if Byron_Wells has baught Easy Member Pro and not satisfied then let him try JV Manager.

            JV Manager certainly has some extra feature as compared to commonly used scripts.
            My answer was not related to the question of the thread
            and sorry for being personal. Bad way to deal with business, being
            personal, that is, but some times that little human inside you cannot
            shut up, especially when he is right.

            As for the question of this thread, for me there is no question.

            There is a history that started with JVManager, then Fantasos
            and now DELAVO.

            So DELAVO is the best. And free too, for 7 days.

            Every other solution follows.

            I can explain the reasons here but I think this will turn to the
            deletion of the thread.

            You may say I am biased; I am but I have been seeing it this way:

            Even if you want something added to the platform
            I shall add it. I assume not many people can guarantee
            that, thus you can figure it out.
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            • Profile picture of the author Edwin Green
              The short answer to the "Topic" is Yes!

              At its creation it "Was The Best and Most Complete" solution available!
              John kept his coders busy making sure it would stay that way!

              It is still available through those who purchased the Master Reseller licenses.

              When the Internet Demanded "More" John stepped up with Fantasos (TM)

              Again "No Other Script" could or would compete with what was offered.
              John again kept his coders busy adding "Every Feature" his people asked for.

              And Donna Walsh "The Turbo Lady" did a Masterful Job of creating
              Very Detailed instructions on the use and implementation of Fantasos (TM)
              and it's plug-ins.

              Now the internet has changed again (Grown) and something More is Needed.

              Again John has stepped up to the plate and brought us "Delavo" (TM)

              This time John is giving it freely to everyone who asks for it. Everyone
              who is trying to run a business online will see this software as a God Send!

              They will not be "Forced" to purchase a system to handle a single offering
              any longer. With Delavo (TM) they will be able to centralize all of their
              internet business to one centralized location. Their Main Website!

              From there they will be able to control their entire internet empire.

              Delavo (TM) is so easy to use that a 6 year old should have no
              trouble understanding what to do and how to do it.

              The end user will have the option of adding any functionality
              to the core of "Delavo" (TM) through the use of plug-ins that s/he
              wants as they want it.

              No other script can offer this. So in my opinion getting Delavo (TM)
              on the week of May 17th is a no brainier.
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            • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
              Originally Posted by John Delavera View Post

              So DELAVO is the best. And free too, for 7 days.
              Hi John,

              Clarification please -- does that mean after 7 days of using it a purchase will be required? Or does it mean that the free offer is available for 7 days (whoever gets it during those 7 days gets to keep it free)?

              Thanks,

              Gene
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              • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
                Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel View Post

                Hi John,

                Clarification please -- does that mean after 7 days of using it a purchase will be required? Or does it mean that the free offer is available for 7 days (whoever gets it during those 7 days gets to keep it free)?

                Thanks,

                Gene
                As far as I am aware the only thing you have to purchase for is the plugins if need be.. I belive if you pick it up free during the 7 days, it will remain free for you
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                • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
                  Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

                  As far as I am aware the only thing you have to purchase for is the plugins if need be.. I belive if you pick it up free during the 7 days, it will remain free for you
                  That is correct. The only cost will be optional plug-ins. But just the core Delavo that you can get for free does so much more than other platforms.

                  Plus you will get the step by step manuals with numerous screenshots ( I wrote these in the same way I wrote the ones for Fantasos and had NUMEROUS people tell me they were better manuals then Fortune 500 companies produce ), videos, the help files, workshops, and the forum at no additional charge.

                  There is no way you will get that with another platform and all at no charge.

                  Donna
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        • Profile picture of the author INFOSEEKER-2009
          Keep me informed on the New Release ! ! !

          Thanx !

          Originally Posted by John Delavera View Post

          Kirk

          I am becoming paranoid with statements like that one, because you
          see everything through your own spectrum, ignoring ANY other color
          except from yours, which in most of the cases is black.

          So please do me a favor and be good.

          You forgot to tell people that ALL customers of Fantasos get DELAVO
          for free as an UPGRADE - as promised.

          You forgot to tell people that ex JVManager users also got Fantasos
          for free, an an UPGRADE and as promised.

          You forgot to tell people that even JVManager users that paid less
          then $50, ALSO have an option to get DELAVO for free along with all
          the plugins that make it equal to Fantasos.

          In sum: you forgot to describe all the other beautiful colors of the
          spectrum apart from the black one, which equals to the color of
          the dark and you know that it's quite difficult for someone to find
          in the dark where truth stands, especially in a public forum.

          You have the liberty to enjoy your personal sphere of freedom and
          continue with your logic and way of thinking and be as much black
          as you want, for as long you do not penetrate my personal sphere
          of freedom by insulting to my colors, that are certainly not black,
          unless you hit me.

          As for the paranoia you mentioned, yes I did not want anyone to
          start publishing "manuals" about Fantasos because just imagine:

          WITH the official manuals offered of more than 1000 pages in total
          and all the videos, there are people like you that see everything black.

          What would then happen if someone that has a talent to produce
          terrible "manuals" by describing 1/2 of the functionality, started
          delivering those manuals online...

          What if many others that have the same talent started creating
          manuals only for monetizing on that "help" presented as a "need"
          ONLY by those that decided to count on "free" support instead
          of following the official paths and thus be happy turbo customers....

          Give people (and me) a break please.

          John
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    • Profile picture of the author UncleHQ
      Originally Posted by dvduval View Post

      I searched for Fantasos but I see a message about the product completed its cycle or something. What's up with that?
      Yes - Fantasos is being replaced by Delavo (TM) - you can see the details at my Let's Explore Together link below.

      Brian

      P.S. it will be coming for free week commencing 17th.
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by dvduval View Post

      I searched for Fantasos but I see a message about the product completed its cycle or something. What's up with that?

      That's true.. They are moving onto a next product I believe called Delavo (something along those lines) Its suppose to be a better but smaller version of both JV Manager 1 and Fantasos..

      What I mean is they have totally revamped the code, and made it a lot easier for us no techincal minded people out there to use, but still will tons and tons more added features/benifits
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Sure will keep you posted Byron, this is going to be a very powerful membership script that will offer many features many sites do not. It will also be very affordable for many people without selling their home to pay for it...

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
      What could be a better price then free? Delavo will be free for one week and it will do more than just run a membership site. It will centralize your entire Internet business.

      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Sure will keep you posted Byron, this is going to be a very powerful membership script that will offer many features many sites do not. It will also be very affordable for many people without selling their home to pay for it...

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author nanohits
        Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

        What could be a better price then free? Delavo will be free for one week and it will do more than just run a membership site. It will centralize your entire Internet business.



        Donna
        The question is how much will the plugins cost and from the looks of things the free version has a lot of features missing so by the time people would want a lot of features this could be a very expensive exercise. Lets hope its not expensive. So this free thing could be misleading. Time will tell when its all released how much is in the free version and how many plugins are needed.

        I know there will be a lot of supporters for this. I do hope it holds the hype as I am going to try it myself when its available.
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        • Profile picture of the author UncleHQ
          Originally Posted by nanohits View Post

          The question is how much will the plugins cost and from the looks of things the free version has a lot of features missing so by the time people would want a lot of features this could be a very expensive exercise. Lets hope its not expensive. So this free thing could be misleading. Time will tell when its all released how much is in the free version and how many plugins are needed.

          I know there will be a lot of supporters for this. I do hope it holds the hype as I am going to try it myself when its available.
          Hi,

          I don't have any firm pricing on the plugins but knowing John, they will not be expensive.

          From the information I have seen so far, you get all the basic stuff with Delavo (tm) for putting a digital product up for sale, accepting payment and securely delivering the product, whether this is single purchase or a recurring membership and is a direct sale or an affiliate sale.

          The plugins I am sure will be for special purposes, just as they were with Fantasos.

          Make sure you are on the list though otherwise you will have to be a Turbo Membership Member to get it according to what I have seen (being a Turbo Member B.T.W. usually means you get additional discounts of anything John does including perhaps the plugins).

          Brian
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          • Profile picture of the author nanohits
            Originally Posted by briancol View Post

            Hi,

            I don't have any firm pricing on the plugins but knowing John, they will not be expensive.


            Brian
            Hmm I hope so but going by $3000 for fantasos, not so sure it will be cheap either...

            But form reading all the threads, it seems like this Delavo is going to be the one to use. I have signed up and waiting to check it out. I have used EMP, Amember and a few others. Still looking for the holy grail.
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            • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
              With Delavo you can set up as many products, memberships and affilaite programs as you want. Just this is enough for probably 75% of Internet marketers.

              And just like when you purchase a car, the extras are additional. So it depends on how much power you want. But the core Delavo is plenty powerful for most people.

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              • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
                Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

                With Delavo you can set up as many products, memberships and affilaite programs as you want. Just this is enough for probably 75% of Internet marketers.

                And just like when you purchase a car, the extras are additional. So it depends on how much power you want. But the core Delavo is plenty powerful for most people.

                Donna

                Donna

                Hurry up with those videos So that we can get Delavo for free The waiti is killing me!!! lol lol lo lol
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                • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
                  Hi Byron

                  I am doing the manuals and help files. And working about 20 hours/day to get them finished. Hopefully today or tomorrow at the latest. (Unless I fall asleep at the computer. )

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                    Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

                    And working about 20 hours/day to get them finished.
                    Slacker!
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                    • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
                      Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

                      Slacker!
                      Lol Yes I am.

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                • Profile picture of the author nicalyngroup
                  I will be creating a membership site very soon and I was hoping you guys could tell me the differences and/or similarities between the Butterfly Marketing Script and Delavo. Do they both do the same thing or are they geared towards different audiences? For example, Delavo seems to be heavily focused on JVMs where as BFM seems to lean more towards a straight membership site. Not having worked with either I could be wrong about this, that's just how it appears on the surface.

                  Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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                  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
                    Mick

                    You snooze you lose.

                    And what you did get is $50 off the new price of $147/month which is what John said would happen once the TM was available again.

                    So stop being a cry baby. You are the one that messed up. Besides which you have proven that you shouldn't even be a TMer as you posted privileged info on an open forum.

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                    • Profile picture of the author travelhuni
                      i dont want to pay $147/month but would like the membership and digital protection features for downloads. is JVM1 still a viable option? is the program still supported?
                      anyone see any real downsides to buying it from an authorized reseller ($97 one time)
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                      • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
                        JV Manger is still a great script however the learning curve is steep.

                        No, it is no longer supported by John and you can not use his help fiunnels for JV Manager questions so your best bet is to purchase it from someone knowledgable and who offers support. BTW Most resellers do NOT!

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                  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
                    Sean

                    Delavo does so much more than BFM. There really is no comparision at all.

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                    • Profile picture of the author nicalyngroup
                      Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

                      Delavo does so much more than BFM. There really is no comparision at all.
                      Thank you for the information Donna. So I'm gathering from your response that Delavo will do everything BFM does, but more so - is that correct? Does BFM have any features that Delavo does not?

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                      • Profile picture of the author stevenh512
                        Originally Posted by nicalyngroup View Post

                        Thank you for the information Donna. So I'm gathering from your response that Delavo will do everything BFM does, but more so - is that correct? Does BFM have any features that Delavo does not?
                        Delavo and Butterfly Marketing are night and day (and I say that as someone who has both scripts). Butterfly Marketing is great for running a single site with one install, but without heavy modifications that's all it can do. Delavo is a centralized system, you run all of your sites from one location. It also gives you a centralized location where all of your members/customers can log in to access any products or memberships they have purchased, all in one place, along with links to your help desk and support forums if you have them.

                        The only feature of BFM that I can think of that Delavo doesn't have "out of the box" is One Time Offers. As far as I know that's available right now as part of the Fantasos upgrade plugin, and if you can't/won't buy the "all in one" solution it should be available soon as an individual plugin. In the mean time, Delavo supports .htaccess based "remote memberships" and I have Ian Del Carmen's MemberFire which supports .htaccess based memberships and one time offers, so I'm thinking maybe I can use the two together to accomplish the same thing as a Butterfly site.

                        With a little creative programming (or creative use of existing programs) it wouldn't be hard to make Delavo do almost everything Fantasos could do without buying a single plugin. The only plugin I think I'd actually need to duplicate a Fantasos feature would be the Roles plugin if I wanted to offer hosted accounts.
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                        • Profile picture of the author nicalyngroup
                          Originally Posted by stevenh512 View Post

                          Delavo and Butterfly Marketing are night and day (and I say that as someone who has both scripts). Butterfly Marketing is great for running a single site with one install, but without heavy modifications that's all it can do. Delavo is a centralized system, you run all of your sites from one location. It also gives you a centralized location where all of your members/customers can log in to access any products or memberships they have purchased, all in one place, along with links to your help desk and support forums if you have them.

                          The only feature of BFM that I can think of that Delavo doesn't have "out of the box" is One Time Offers. As far as I know that's available right now as part of the Fantasos upgrade plugin, and if you can't/won't buy the "all in one" solution it should be available soon as an individual plugin. In the mean time, Delavo supports .htaccess based "remote memberships" and I have Ian Del Carmen's MemberFire which supports .htaccess based memberships and one time offers, so I'm thinking maybe I can use the two together to accomplish the same thing as a Butterfly site.

                          With a little creative programming (or creative use of existing programs) it wouldn't be hard to make Delavo do almost everything Fantasos could do without buying a single plugin. The only plugin I think I'd actually need to duplicate a Fantasos feature would be the Roles plugin if I wanted to offer hosted accounts.
                          Thank you for this detailed explanation Steven. It is extremely helpful.

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            • Profile picture of the author UncleHQ
              Originally Posted by nanohits View Post

              Hmm I hope so but going by $3000 for fantasos, not so sure it will be cheap either...

              But form reading all the threads, it seems like this Delavo is going to be the one to use. I have signed up and waiting to check it out. I have used EMP, Amember and a few others. Still looking for the holy grail.
              Hi,

              To give a guide on Fantasos plugins - I think the most expensive I paid for were for two that a few of us got together to be specially created for us (WHM hosting plugin and another for check payments) - otherwise I think the most I paid was $97 top end and as low as $10 as I am a turbo member also.

              I cannot say if the pricing structure will be the same and as Donna and I have said - the majority of the functions needed are already built in (I would say at least 80% of marketers will not need anything more).

              Unless, like me, you consult on the use of the plugins, it is unlikely that you would need them all - perhaps a selected few like oto's or specific plugins for specific business models or other scripts (wordpress, payment processors for other countries etc.)

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        • Profile picture of the author NetMan
          Originally Posted by nanohits View Post

          The question is how much will the plugins cost and from the looks of things the free version has a lot of features missing so by the time people would want a lot of features this could be a very expensive exercise. Lets hope its not expensive. So this free thing could be misleading. Time will tell when its all released how much is in the free version and how many plugins are needed.

          I know there will be a lot of supporters for this. I do hope it holds the hype as I am going to try it myself when its available.
          Nan,

          "Expensive" is VERY relative as a word, and as a fact

          I firmly believe the core Delavo(tm) is powerful enough for most users, at least to start making a fair amount of monthly revenue, especially counting that the vast majority is more looker than doer. Plus don't forget that the affiliate program management is included as well in the core version.

          The actual plugins for F ranges from 67.00 to 197.00 and John said the new ones will be in the same range. Now if one has Delavo, is a doer, and can make a fair monthly revenue I believe that when the need of a specific plugin to add more power and make MORE REVENUE to one's actual business, is not a question of being "expensive" but more a matter of "investment", don't you think? That is simply the reality.

          And like I said previously some will bite their fingers if they don't get it because after May 24th, tough luck, you'll have to be a TMers to get Delavo(tm).

          People, stop hesitating and jump on this for your own sake I do not know the price value of the core version but if I compare with what exists I can easily put a price that would range between 497.00 to 997.00, easily...

          Regards,

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          • Profile picture of the author nanohits
            Originally Posted by NetMan View Post

            Nan,

            "Expensive" is VERY relative as a word, and as a fact

            I firmly believe the core Delavo(tm) is powerful enough for most users, at least to start making a fair amount of monthly revenue, especially counting that the vast majority is more looker than doer. Plus don't forget that the affiliate program management is included as well in the core version.

            The actual plugins for F ranges from 67.00 to 197.00 and John said the new ones will be in the same range. Now if one has Delavo, is a doer, and can make a fair monthly revenue I believe that when the need of a specific plugin to add more power and make MORE REVENUE to one's actual business, is not a question of being "expensive" but more a matter of "investment", don't you think? That is simply the reality.

            And like I said previously some will bite their fingers if they don't get it because after May 24th, tough luck, you'll have to be a TMers to get Delavo(tm).

            People, stop hesitating and jump on this for your own sake I do not know the price value of the core version but if I compare with what exists I can easily put a price that would range between 497.00 to 997.00, easily...

            Regards,

            Andre Foisy
            You see thats the thing, You guys who all have fantasos assume that everyone is making heaps of money already so everything is relative and cheap. A lot of it is more like fanbois talk.. But I want to see actual comments from a newbie perspective, not from fans of the products who have been using it for years. Sure anyone who has been using it for years and are fans will not say a single thing thats negative about the product. For example I have heard that the program has steep learning curves, but ask someone who has been a fan and used it for years and they will say, rubbish its very simple to use. It's all relative who you ask....

            In any case with such positive feedback I sure am looking forward to trying Delavo and can comment once I have used it as I am looking for a program that is fairly easy to use but yet powerful and flexible enough.
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            • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
              Originally Posted by nanohits View Post

              You see thats the thing, You guys who all have fantasos assume that everyone is making heaps of money already so everything is relative and cheap. A lot of it is more like fanbois talk.. But I want to see actual comments from a newbie perspective, not from fans of the products who have been using it for years. Sure anyone who has been using it for years and are fans will not say a single thing thats negative about the product. For example I have heard that the program has steep learning curves, but ask someone who has been a fan and used it for years and they will say, rubbish its very simple to use. It's all relative who you ask....

              In any case with such positive feedback I sure am looking forward to trying Delavo and can comment once I have used it as I am looking for a program that is fairly easy to use but yet powerful and flexible enough.
              You could check my comments in this thread. Im a newbie to membership sites and I use it. It did take a lot of work to "get it"...but thats OK by me.
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            • Profile picture of the author NetMan
              Originally Posted by nanohits View Post

              You see thats the thing, You guys who all have fantasos assume that everyone is making heaps of money already so everything is relative and cheap. A lot of it is more like fanbois talk.. But I want to see actual comments from a newbie perspective, not from fans of the products who have been using it for years. Sure anyone who has been using it for years and are fans will not say a single thing thats negative about the product. For example I have heard that the program has steep learning curves, but ask someone who has been a fan and used it for years and they will say, rubbish its very simple to use. It's all relative who you ask....

              In any case with such positive feedback I sure am looking forward to trying Delavo and can comment once I have used it as I am looking for a program that is fairly easy to use but yet powerful and flexible enough.
              Nanohits,

              Nowhere did I assume that everyone is making heaps of money, in the contrary I exposed the facts as a normal business evolution from scratch. Like we all started btw. And that was in reply to your comments about Delavo's eventual plugins price, not about ease of use of it.

              But, you're correct in saying that you get fans responses from fans of the product here, that's normal and the reason for that is simple, it's because the product is good and powerful and should be now easy to use enough to reach a very wider range of users and better yet, at a price no one can beat

              Have fun!

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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Sure will keep you posted Byron, this is going to be a very powerful membership script that will offer many features many sites do not. It will also be very affordable for many people without selling their home to pay for it...

      James

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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Anson
    Hi Byron,

    JV Manager is a powerful solution for anyone who wants to centralize their marketing efforts. JVM's replacement, Fantasos, is even more powerful than JVM was.
    Easy Member Pro and amember cannot even be compared to Fantasos because they just are not in the same league. Fantasos has the ability to do nearly anything you can throw at it:
    Integration with Numerous Pay Points including Paypal and Clickbank
    Clickbank Affiliate Program integration
    Affiliate Instant Bonus Delivery
    Links directories
    Banner Rotator
    Custom Tags
    Quick Resell
    Questionnaires
    Control User's Opt-Out Settings
    Test Mode in Mass Mail
    Testimonials
    JV Event Manager
    One Time Offers
    Taxes
    Shipping for physical Products
    Coupons
    Minisites
    JV Products
    Rewards
    Points Systems
    Integration with Aweber
    Follow Up Manager
    Invoices
    Dynamic Pricing

    This is not an exhaustive list, it goes on and on!
    It will Not make coffee nor fry eggs, sorry...
    But it will help you sell recipes and track everything you do.

    It is so powerful that there's a few people that just cannot get their head around it. They want Ferrari capabilities with horse & buggy control panel. It takes time and effort to master but it comes with complete user manuals and videos.

    And yes, it is being replaced by Delavo.
    And yes, Delavo will be free for one week.
    And although I haven't personally got into the cockpit yet, it is said that even granny can run it.

    So, even I should be safe to take it for a spin
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  • Profile picture of the author LastWarrior
    Interesting question. I too have interests in membership scripts, but that's in the future and this post strikes up new questions I never thought of. While many are saying to get the one that serves you best.... how is that possible when one is not sure how to determine what is best?

    Sounds like Fantasos is the one to get, but what if one needs something more simple?

    I don't have any irons in the fire yet about getting a membership offer up, but what if I a membership with some downloads, PDF's and viewable videos to train and learn from.... I'm not sure or know why someone would need something complicated for that. ?? Seems to me something less than Fantasos would be ok. Not sure, just thinking.

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  • Profile picture of the author Robert24
    I personally love amember. I've got 3 licenses which manage all of my membership sites and I've never had one problem.

    It's probably not the best if you're technically challenged as you have to manually manage the members area (eg create your own pages etc..., as well as playing around with php and html if you want to personalize the style).

    In regards to product security, I believe amember is the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    I think it is real funny that the person who was told to either read the manuals or pay for a consultation instead of wasting hours and hours of the Fantasos forum moderators time EVERY day when he could easily find the answers in the manuals is the only person who has something negative to say about Fantasos. And BOTH moderators got tired of answering numerous questions every day, questions that could be answered by just reading the manuals. But because of laziness on that person's part, the moderators spent hours answering the simplest questions.

    And I find it REALLY funny that although I write all the manuals, the help files, and hold a monthly 6 hour workshop on Fantasos teaching advanced procedures that I am not good at teaching. LOL That makes me laugh since I also spend approx 15 hours per week just consulting on Fantasos and am booked 3 weeks in advance. So if I can't teach, why do I have 15 people at my workshops (the maximum I will take) and approx 10 consults every week?

    As far as reseller's go, ONLY JV Manager 1 is available from a reseller. John sold the MRR to it on the condition that the reseller supported his/her customers. Fantasos was NEVER available through a reseller. So don't believe erroneous information that has been posted here on this forum by someone that has turned people against him because of his continous negative attitude.

    Fantasos is a complete business platform and is now being replaced by Delavo which is much simpler. And yes, I am again the only person (and only person authorized by John) who is writing the manuals, the help files and holding free workshops to teach people how to use Delavo.

    And Delavo is not a new version of Fantasos as the code has been rewritten. So Kirk, get your facts straight before you start spouting garbage.

    Don't listen to someone that is a very negative person. Listen to what everyone else is saying about the very best business platform available.

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    • Profile picture of the author stevenh512
      Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

      And Delavo is not a new version of Fantasos as the code has been changed. So Kirk, get your facts right before you start spouting garbage.
      While it's not really a "new version of Fantasos" John has said that it's based on the "same engine" as Fantasos and that current Fantasos owners will get a free upgrade, including all the plugins that will give them the same functionality as Fantasos. With a deal like that I don't see how anyone using Fantasos can complain too much.. they can either stick with what they're already using, or upgrade free to the new system with all the plugins (and as I understand it, the plugins will come at an extra cost for the rest of us). To me that seems like John going out of his way to honor the promise of "free upgrades for life" for those who want to upgrade.
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    Fantasos and now Delavo leave EVERY other platform in the dust. NONE come even close to what Fantasos and Delavo can do.

    And it is the most secure platform available. People have tried to hack it and ALL have failed.

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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    I concur - Fantasos is SECURE! - if that is important to
    you it's worth checking out. Presumably the new Delavo
    platform will be secure the same way, engineered from
    the ground up for reliability.

    I'm not gushing - I've had my aggravations with Fantasos too -
    like any advanced software YOU have to adapt to the way it
    does things, and because it has a lot of flexibility there is
    a cognitive bridge you have to build between what you want
    you customers to experience and how to set up Fantasos to
    do it. There is a solid logic behind it but if you want to do
    fancy things you need to pay attention to the details.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Anson
    Hi Byron,

    I want to add just a few more points here for your consideration.
    1. Delavo is FREE for the week of May 17. That's an easy price to pay.
    2. Fantasos is no longer available, period!
      Now, John may offer resale rights to Fantasos in the future as he did with JVM-1. Who knows?
    3. JVM-1 is still available through resellers.
      I am one of those resellers. But if I were to make a recommendation, I would recommend that You get it from Brian Collins. He probably has the best understanding of JVM-1 out of all the resellers, that I am aware of.
      When I need help with JVM-1, that's who I call. That's also who John recommended to me too.
    4. As far as this controversy goes...well I say controversy helps inform those of us who don't know about the issues. If one person is unhappy with a product, and they express that. Then a whole gang of people jump in to defend the product as well as the product creator, that says as much about the product and the creator as it does the sour puss.
      Last but not least!
    5. John said Delavo will always be available to TurboMembers, even after his Birthday event.

    I hope that helps!

    Your friend,
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    Why would anyone want to purchase JVmanager 1 when they can get Delavo for free?

    While JV Manager 1 was a great script, it is out of date. And even though I am a reseller, I am telling ALL of my subscribers and customers to get Delavo.

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  • Profile picture of the author nathanro
    If you want a good membership site script, PLUS the ability to run your entire online business in every single aspect, without having to re-install, re-setup, re-do, then you are in for a treat with Delavo.

    I have tried and tested all membership scripts that are out there, heck I own ones that I can resell hosted accounts at, but there is only 1 script that makes sense, that is easy to use, that is secure and that does not limit me in my growth.

    That has been Fantasos, now it is Delavo.

    This is my honest opinion, and as a reviewer I am willing to put one on one to the test and show you why I strongly hold this belief.

    And when I say I have tried them all, I have tried them all.

    The ease of use of Fantasos, of Delavo allows you to use any program to create the website and then just add the control of security in a couple of simple steps, you can literally have unlimited levels of access, and control every aspect of your marketing and sales.

    The only limit that I see to that script, is the limit of my imagination.

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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    Maybe the reason Fantasos is hard to understand is because of the user

    I LEARNED Fantasos without any help files and without any manuals in just 10 days. I had to as John asked me to write the help files.

    So I can't understand why anyone can't do the same when they have manuals, videos, help files and a forum.

    Donna
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

      Maybe the reason Fantasos is hard to understand is because of the user

      I LEARNED Fantasos without any help files and without any manuals in just 10 days. I had to as John asked me to write the help files.

      So I can't understand why anyone can't do the same when they have manuals, videos, help files and a forum.

      Donna
      Donna

      Thanks for you lovely advice.. I do apologise for the other warrior in here if he upsetting you.. I only asked for advice, not for people to get into a fight over it lol...

      I have looked at amember but the only bit that scares me of it is the actual coding side..I have html knowledge, but very limited php knowledge.. I dont really want to spend loads on money on a script then have to spend loads more on a coder to programe it
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    LOL No problem Byron.

    I should not have lost my temper as I have dealt with that person in the past and know what he is like.

    But honestly, if you are looking for a membership script, do yourself a favor and get Delavo.

    Not only will you be able to create unlimited memberships, but you can also create unlimited Products/Packages for all your products. And to show you how simple Delavo is, I can set up my Product, attach it to a Package, PLUS edit the templates so that the order pages and thank you page look just like my sales site and I can do that in 30 minutes. Yes I have done it multiple times so I am very fast at it but even fumbling along, it won't take you more than an hour maybe an 1 1/2 at the most.

    Plus, you can set up and maintain unlimited affiliate programs. And Delavo supports UNLIMITED tiered commissions. So if you wanted to pay someone commissions at even the 100th tier, you can.

    Now what other script offers that?

    Plus, I will teach all new Delavo owners (well, minus one ) through FREE 4 hour workshops to be held 2x per week (Wed and Sat) for at least 3 months.

    So since the platform is free, you will get manuals, videos, contextual help files, a forum, and workshops also for free. getting Delavo should be a no brainer!

    So get Delavo and try it out. You really have nothing to lose.

    Donna
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
      I am also deciding between memberspeed, delavo and amember pro.. It is a shame to see the dirty linen being washed in public here on this thread like that. However, I look forward to trying all three and will make a decision based on each platform's merits.
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      • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
        Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

        I am also deciding between memberspeed, delavo and amember pro.. It is a shame to see the dirty linen being washed in public here on this thread like that. However, I look forward to trying all three and will make a decision based on each platform's merits.

        Memberspeed, can you tell me more about that one please?
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      • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
        Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

        I am also deciding between memberspeed, delavo and amember pro.. It is a shame to see the dirty linen being washed in public here on this thread like that. However, I look forward to trying all three and will make a decision based on each platform's merits.
        Hi Steve

        John wil constantly be updating Delavo with the features that users want (through plug-ins). So you don't need to worry about purchasing a script just to have it out of date in a year or so.

        Fantsos went through 18 updates in just over 2 years not counting the plug-ins which added additional features. I am not sure have many updates JV Manager had but it was a lot.

        Plus, you get UNLIMITED everything you need (Products, Packages, membership sites, Affiliate programs) at no additional charge which some other platforms don't offer.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
        Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

        I am also deciding between memberspeed, delavo and amember pro.. It is a shame to see the dirty linen being washed in public here on this thread like that. However, I look forward to trying all three and will make a decision based on each platform's merits.
        Steve,

        I have no experience with memberspeed, but I do have with aMember and it is a good solid script with decent support and it has more than one method of protecting your site. It just did not fit the model I needed for my site.

        If you are looking for "power," and can handle "tetchy" people, then Delavo may be a good choice, if, as they said it is built on the Fantasos model. You will find that the people who use it are very happy with it, after they get past the learning curve. You will also find the technical support (the mechanical operating of the script) to be excellent. My only complaint was the lack of clarity in the how to use it materials.

        After the Fantasos developers email that came across as if he was abandoning the users, I switched to WPWishlist Member on a Wordpress engine and have been quite happy as there is lots of freely available support, and it is easily customizable to a sites unique needs. I've been very happy with that decision.

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      • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
        Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

        I am also deciding between memberspeed, delavo and amember pro.. It is a shame to see the dirty linen being washed in public here on this thread like that. However, I look forward to trying all three and will make a decision based on each platform's merits.

        Another thing I noticed with memberspeed is that it is very very costly.. $57 dollars per month?? no way....
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

      LOL No problem Byron.

      I should not have lost my temper as I have dealt with that person in the past and know what he is like.

      But honestly, if you are looking for a membership script, do yourself a favor and get Delavo.

      Not only will you be able to create unlimited memberships, but you can also create unlimited Products/Packages for all your products. And to show you how simple Delavo is, I can set up my Product, attach it to a Package, PLUS edit the templates so that the order pages and thank you page look just like my sales site and I can do that in 30 minutes. Yes I have done it multiple times so I am very fast at it but even fumbling along, it won't take you more than an hour maybe an 1 1/2 at the most.

      Plus, you can set up and maintain unlimited affiliate programs. And Delavo supports UNLIMITED tiered commissions. So if you wanted to pay someone commissions at even the 100th tier, you can.

      Now what other script offers that?

      Plus, I will teach all new Delavo owners (well, minus one ) through FREE 4 hour workshops to be held 2x per week (Wed and Sat) for at least 3 months.

      So since the platform is free, you will get manuals, videos, contextual help files, a forum, and workshops also for free. getting Delavo should be a no brainer!

      So get Delavo and try it out. You really have nothing to lose.

      Donna
      Donna

      I am wondering, I heard somewhere that Delavo comes with a wusiswug editor? Is that true??
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      • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
        Hi Byron

        Yes it does. That can be used to create your sales page, edit your templates and add content to your thank you page. It is part of Delavo and cannot be used outside of the platform though.

        Donna

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        • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
          Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

          Hi Byron

          Yes it does. That can be used to create your sales page, edit your trmplated and add content to your thank you page. It is part of Delavo and cannot be used outside of the platform though.

          Donna

          Donna

          It can also be used for if you want to turn Devalo into a membership site??
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      • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
        I can tell you for certain...get whatever John Delevera sends out.

        I have had 2 seperate skype conversations with BrianCol which took over 4 hours in total and he walked me through everything after I'd got stuck on a few points once I'd read the manuals. Im a total non techie (he had to explain some really basic stuff to me...patience of a saint!).

        I can understand the earlier guy ranting about its complexity and Donna biting back about not reading the manual, but its really simple funnell if you get stuck...

        1. Check inline help
        2. Check manual
        3. Check forum
        4. Submit a ticket
        5. Call your reseller
        6. Phone support

        You will get frustrated if you dont take the time to learn all the features properly...but you only need to do it once.

        It takes a little while to "get" it, but once you do, it is all encompassing, flexible, intuitive and simple.

        The training is massive, organised and in intricate detailed (Thanks Donna!) and the support (multiple lines of support) is first class. I've even called support on the phone and they spent as much time with me as I needed...over an hour.

        Its the most powerful piece of kit Ive seen online for back end management, affiliate management, product delivery, memberships and centralised data management.

        If you're going to get something....start off on the right foot...you won't regret it.

        All the best

        Barry

        PS - Im a complete tech muppet...if I can do it, anyone can!
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        • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
          Originally Posted by bigjock View Post

          I can tell you for certain...get whatever John Delevera sends out.

          I have had 2 seperate skype conversations with BrianCol which took over 4 hours in total and he walked me through everything after I'd got stuck on a few points once I'd read the manuals. Im a total non techie (he had to explain some really basic stuff to me...patience of a saint!).

          I can understand the earlier guy ranting about its complexity and Donna biting back about not reading the manual, but its really simple funnell if you get stuck...

          1. Check inline help
          2. Check manual
          3. Check forum
          4. Submit a ticket
          5. Call your reseller
          6. Phone support

          You will get frustrated if you dont take the time to learn all the features properly...but you only need to do it once.

          It takes a little while to "get" it, but once you do, it is all encompassing, flexible, intuitive and simple.

          The training is massive, organised and in intricate detailed (Thanks Donna!) and the support (multiple lines of support) is first class. I've even called support on the phone and they spent as much time with me as I needed...over an hour.

          Its the most powerful piece of kit Ive seen online for back end management, affiliate management, product delivery, memberships and centralised data management.

          If you're going to get something....start off on the right foot...you won't regret it.

          All the best

          Barry

          PS - Im a complete tech muppet...if I can do it, anyone can!
          Barry

          Because you are complete tech muppet (your words ) did you have to spend more on someone coding/designing your website to run the membership around? Or was you able to do that yourself??
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          • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
            Will Delavo have a plugin or offer the ability to dripfeed content over time based on when the member joins?
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            • Profile picture of the author Yuzairy
              Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

              Will Delavo have a plugin or offer the ability to dripfeed content over time based on when the member joins?
              From the look at it, the free, naked (plugin-less) Delavo doesn't have the ability to dripfeed content.

              But I'm sure there will be a plugin for that.

              Worst case, Delavo should have some sort of API just like Fantasos (maybe through plugin?) and you can create a custom app to do anything you want.

              I have a private plugin that is hooked to Fantasos API and it drip feed content over time (also check if the sub is active or not). So it's POSSIBLE.
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          • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
            Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

            Barry

            Because you are complete tech muppet (your words ) did you have to spend more on someone coding/designing your website to run the membership around? Or was you able to do that yourself??
            Byron

            I did it all myself...with the help of my reseller....BrianCol. You should speak to Brian. He's a top man...thoroughly recommend his services. Maybe he'll do you a deal if you PM him...I dont know how he's fixed for time.

            One thing I did was actually read all the material, create multiple reference mind maps, study the videos. That was a three months ago now. Now I can add a new product or membership in no time...now I've got the hang of it and have recorded all the steps in my mind.

            I never spent another penny on coding or designing...infact I saved $300 on graphics I am NOW able to produce myself thanks to an additional membership I bought from Delevera. Headers, banners everything.

            Theres a lot of stuff to get through...but its a great investment in your business.

            All the best

            Barry
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            • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
              Originally Posted by bigjock View Post

              Byron

              I did it all myself...with the help of my reseller....BrianCol. You should speak to Brian. He's a top man...thoroughly recommend his services. Maybe he'll do you a deal if you PM him...I dont know how he's fixed for time.

              One thing I did was actually read all the material, create multiple reference mind maps, study the videos. That was a three months ago now. Now I can add a new product or membership in no time...now I've got the hang of it and have recorded all the steps in my mind.

              I never spent another penny on coding or designing...infact I saved $300 on graphics I am NOW able to produce myself thanks to an additional membership I bought from Delevera. Headers, banners everything.

              Theres a lot of stuff to get through...but its a great investment in your business.

              All the best

              Barry

              How do you get hold of him?
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              • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
                Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

                How do you get hold of him?
                I came to this forum when I made my mind up that I was going to go with fantasos, started a thread and asked for a reseller who would provide support in exchange for me buying through his link. Briancol stepped up.

                I'm glad I did it.

                Just send him a PM if you're interested.

                All the best

                Barry
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                • Profile picture of the author UncleHQ
                  Originally Posted by bigjock View Post

                  I came to this forum when I made my mind up that I was going to go with fantasos, started a thread and asked for a reseller who would provide support in exchange for me buying through his link. Briancol stepped up.

                  I'm glad I did it.

                  Just send him a PM if you're interested.

                  All the best

                  Barry
                  Thanks Barry,

                  You've been kissing that blarney stone again ;-)

                  Byron, if you need me I'm just a P.M. away - just click on my name at the lop left of any of my posts.

                  Brian
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      • Profile picture of the author Ralf Skirr
        Wow, quite a discussion going on and I totally missed this til now.

        Short remark about Kirk: I'm a mod of the Fantasos related forum too and I can also say that he bombarded us with tons of questions that the manuals and videos easily answered. Even when I told him exactly where to look he didn't bother using that information, even when I gave him detailled instructions what to do in Fantasos he did not bother to use it and came back with more questions. Kirk, you surely wasted many hours of our time and you have no ground whatsoever for complaining.

        About the original question of the thread:

        Alright warriors

        I am looking for people who have used the JV Manager script to find out if its the best out there....

        Or what else would you recommended?

        I have recently purchased Easy Member Pro, which does not have all the features that the top level scripts comes with...
        Before I bought JVManager some years ago I had compared roundabout 40 ecommerce scripts and JVManager scored best for me. Meanwhile Fantasos has been developed and it is much, much better than JVManager was. Delavo will bring it one step further as the new code allows some things that were not possible with Fantasos code base. That will also bring some very cool new features regarding membership sites.

        There are other good membership scripts as well, but I did not find any that I would prefer over Fantasos / Delavo.

        An important aspect for me is that Fantasos / Delavo not only manages my memberships but my complete line of products and services, plus affiliate program etc. etc. etc.

        I did a lot of research before I chose this platform and I can highly recommend it.

        Ralf
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        • Profile picture of the author Ronster1
          I don't post very often, or voice my opinions, although I've been a member here for years.

          I purchased JV Mgr1 a few years ago and got upset that it was difficult to use/understand.

          Then I wanted my money back, and got it without any complaints from John.

          (By the way, he personally issued my refund with a 'thanks for trying it' message.)

          The script was still installed on my server though.

          So I decided that I should at least go through the help files to see if maybe it wasn't as difficult to use as I had first thought.

          I know, I'm brilliant aren't I. Expecting that I should be able to use an ultra powerful, multi-purpose, e-commerce platform without even cracking open the user manual.

          Well what do you know, after reading the provided help files I got the script working.

          I felt like a real idiot and I knew that I had made an error.

          I publicly apologized to John on his forum and asked him if I could pay him back the money he had refunded so I could keep using the JV Mgr1 script.

          He was very gracious and said ok.

          I've been using JV Mgr/Fantasos to power my business ever since without any negative incident or security issues.


          The moral of my little story is,
          "We should not fear what we do not understand, we should embrace it, become a student of it."
          -Quote from John Delavera


          I'm anxiously awaiting Delavo.

          -Ronster
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          • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
            Ronster

            It says a lot about you that you posted this publically and owned up to an silly, yet honest mistake and made it right and took action.

            Kudos.

            I've never spoken to John, but he strikes me as a man of very high integrity and humility and his actions don't surprise me in the least from what I've read about him and after reading his work.

            All the best

            Barry
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      • Profile picture of the author itsurfers
        Hello guys,

        I have too many sites but mostly affiliate sites. I don't offer my own products to affiliates. Is Delava a good platform for me? I just want to

        1. keep track of my monthly adsense revenue per site.
        2. My monthly marketing expenses like Adwords, Yahoo Ad, Ask Ad per site.
        3. My monthly expenses per site in terms of banner Ads or other marketing expenses where I pay forum posters etc.
        4. This way each month I see report of all 100+ sites on which site is giving what return compare to expenses I incurr on each site.
        5. If Delavo able to keep track of my earnings from affiliate links via different payment processors or even from clickbank or paydotcom and earnings from adsense or earnings from any banner Ads put on our site by any of our customer.

        So far the impression of Delavo to me is that it's a membership site keeping track of affiliates commissions etc whereas I am not offering affiliate related products but in fact running sites where I have multiple affiliate links.

        Can I achieve above with Delavo?

        Comments are so much appreciated.

        Regards,
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      [quote=dlwalsh;789757]LOL No problem Byron.

      Donna

      Alright there I was wondering if you could help me with something please I see that the script has gone live now, but for some reason at the moment I can no download it..

      I keep going to: USe-Sell.com
      Copy and paste the username, and password given by the email
      And also copy and paste the License number

      But every time I try and sudmit it says wrong username and password

      I am using the Personal Codes one
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      • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
        Hi Byron

        Could you please PM me with your logins and I will to help you.

        Also, there are over 10,000 people downloading Delavo and I am sure most are trying to do it at the same time. So there may be access problems due to that.

        Donna
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      • Profile picture of the author nanohits
        [quote=Byron_Wells;815148]
        Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

        LOL No problem Byron.

        Donna

        Alright there I was wondering if you could help me with something please I see that the script has gone live now, but for some reason at the moment I can no download it..

        I keep going to: USe-Sell.com
        Copy and paste the username, and password given by the email
        And also copy and paste the License number

        But every time I try and sudmit it says wrong username and password

        I am using the Personal Codes one
        Join the club. Same problem here. I submitted a support ticket already. I dont think this is a traffic problem. A wrong username and pw is not because of high traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    Hi Byron

    Delavo sets up the membership site. You will need to add content in the protected folder just as if it was a website. You cannot use the WYSIWYG editor for creating content for this folder.

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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

      Hi Byron

      Delavo sets up the membership site. You will need to add content in the protected folder just as if it was a website. You cannot use the WYSIWYG editor for creating content for this folder.

      Donna

      Ahh right.... Thats a little bit of shame hmmm I might have to get a coder to write php then....
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  • Profile picture of the author UncleHQ
    Hi Byron,

    Well, JVManager 1 seems to have gotten a little lost in this growing thread ;-)

    I wouldn't write it off - for $97 it is still the best value (in my opinion) script for centralizing your core administration for products, memberships, affiliates, payment, delivery and security - yes I am a reseller (and am flattered by what has been said above).

    Let's not lose sight that Fantasos and now Delavo have been built on the same basic model of JVManager 1 and Fantasos has been a great tool as a result and has evolved into an absolute monster of a script as a result - I for one am looking forward to still using it for years to come in addition to using Delavo - which has been stated many times would be crazy not to pick it up for free.

    I don't have an awful lot of information on Delavo, except to say that John is generously offering it for free starting tomorrow (may 17th - his birthday) - no purchase required, I will personally be picking up my copy and playing with it and adding it to my arsenal of scripts (I will also happily pay for any plugins produced and any support that I am asked to).

    Personalities and (fierce) loyalties aside, this family of scripts continue to make me money and a lot of others that I know - yes there are other scripts that can provide functionalities that are similar but I have yet to find one that I trust with my business more.

    You don't have to beleive me but the ONLY thing I have added to the basic core of the JVM's is a CMS platform (by the same man) and a help desk system (by another company - John doesn't do one - yet) - starting off for free with Delavo or JVM-1 for $97, in my opinion is a smart move that will take your business forward without having to worry about the important stuff like taking orders (direct or affiliate generated), presenting them to Paypal (and others) and delivering the goods.

    Watch out though ;-) you will become a fan.

    Brian
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    • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
      Originally Posted by briancol View Post

      Hi Byron,

      I wouldn't write it off - for $97 it is still the best value (in my opinion) script for centralizing your core administration for products, memberships, affiliates, payment, delivery and security - yes I am a reseller (and am flattered by what has been said above).

      Brian
      Brian

      I agree that JV Manager is still a useful platform.

      BUT why would anyone invest $97 in a platform that will NEVER be updated, is very difficult to learn, is no longer supported by the developer (John), and has very poor documentation when they can get Delavo free?

      And Delavo will centralize your business and offers unlimited Products, Packages, Memberships, Affiliate programs, payment, delivery and security.

      I too am a reseller and sell JV Manager 1 for $97 but I feel I would be doing my subscribers and customers a diservice but not recommending that they get Delavo for free instead of purchasing JV Manager 1 from me.

      After all, Delavo is in its infancy and will only get better while JV Manager 1 is in its "golden" years (aka OLD ).

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      • Profile picture of the author UncleHQ
        Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

        Brian

        I agree that JV Manager is still a useful platform.

        BUT why would anyone invest $97 in a platform that will NEVER be updated, is very difficult to learn, is no longer supported by the developer (John), and has very poor documentation when they can get Delavo free?

        And Delavo will centralize your business and offers unlimited Products, Packages, Memberships, Affiliate programs, payment, delivery and security.

        I too am a reseller and sell JV Manager 1 for $97 but I feel I would be doing my subscribers and customers a diservice but not recommending that they get Delavo for free instead of purchasing JV Manager 1 from me.

        After all, Delavo is in its infancy and will only get better while JV Manager 1 is in its "golden" years (aka OLD ).

        Donna
        Donna,

        Call me old fashioned but recommending a platform which has handled (and continues to handle) thousands of dollars of sales faultlessly, I think is a good recommendation.

        Yes, under the current licensing arrangement, JVM-1 will not be updated - this may change, I don't know.

        I disagree that it is difficult to learn and maybe Jay and Andre would disagree about the documentation, forum resources and videos.

        I am recommending Delavo (who wouldn't given that it is from JD and it is free), I will get it tomorrow along with more than half of the internet marketing world.

        What I won't do is to recommend something I have not seen and used to handle my business bottom line, you have an advantage here in that you have seen it.

        I would not discourage anyone from getting a JD script (I have them all) and in fact the OP has indicated that a membership site is required - so now I am also recommending John's Little Script for Running A Membership Site is looked at as well as Contepass.

        Brian
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        • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
          Originally Posted by briancol View Post

          Donna,

          Call me old fashioned but recommending a platform which has handled (and continues to handle) thousands of dollars of sales faultlessly, I think is a good recommendation.

          Yes, under the current licensing arrangement, JVM-1 will not be updated - this may change, I don't know.

          I disagree that it is difficult to learn and maybe Jay and Andre would disagree about the documentation, forum resources and videos.

          I am recommending Delavo (who wouldn't given that it is from JD and it is free), I will get it tomorrow along with more than half of the internet marketing world.

          What I won't do is to recommend something I have not seen and used to handle my business bottom line, you have an advantage here in that you have seen it.

          I would not discourage anyone from getting a JD script (I have them all) and in fact the OP has indicated that a membership site is required - so now I am also recommending John's Little Script for Running A Membership Site is looked at as well as Contepass.

          Brian

          Alright Btian

          Whats the name of the membersite script please??
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          • Profile picture of the author UncleHQ
            Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

            Alright Btian

            Whats the name of the membersite script please??
            Hi Byron - the name of the script is "John's Little Script For Running A Membership Site"

            Brian
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  • Profile picture of the author toddilee
    It really depends on your business. I have simple membership sites that use a basic script like Memberfire (which is super cheap and works well), but I also have sites that use more advanced and much more expensive member scripts - it really depends on the site you are building and what your requirements are, plus what your budget is.
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by toddilee View Post

      It really depends on your business. I have simple membership sites that use a basic script like Memberfire (which is super cheap and works well), but I also have sites that use more advanced and much more expensive member scripts - it really depends on the site you are building and what your requirements are, plus what your budget is.

      Do Memberfire come with a wusiswug editor?

      What other membership scripts have you used please?
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    Hi Brian

    Yes I do have an advantage as I have been able to play with Delavo for awhile now.
    And I am very impressed with what I have seen. But that shouldn't be a surprise since John created it!

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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    I don't know anything about Delavo but amember is a great membership script. I found JVM extremely difficult and never did get it setup. I was able to setup amember myself. There isn't much need for knowledge of php if that is what you are concerned about. I am currently running two membership sites with amember and it is flawless.
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      It's difficult, very difficult, I mcompletely confused by, and think I might just give it a miss for now, was going to have a crack at it until the confusion set in, all I wanted to do was sell an ebook using it, but as said, it's hard to understand how to do it.
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      • Profile picture of the author NetMan
        Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

        It's difficult, very difficult, I mcompletely confused by, and think I might just give it a miss for now, was going to have a crack at it until the confusion set in, all I wanted to do was sell an ebook using it, but as said, it's hard to understand how to do it.
        Many are claiming it is difficult since in fact, imho, it is not at all!

        The only thing is that in reality most are surprised by its logic. That's it. When starting using JVManager or Fanrtasos you need a mind shift in the way things are usually done compared to all the scripts out there. That is why one get the "impression" that it is difficult to use while in fact it is not.

        Everyone that took just a bit more time to get to know the beast had found it not only easy to use in reality but *extremely* powerful and flexible. And i can tell you after years of using both scripts, I'm still amazed everyday by the power of it...

        And while Fantasos has been THE beast of Internet Business platform, nothing compares to this, REALLY, dot not underestimate the old pal JVManager 1, you would NOT believe the setup I could create with it :p
        And as Brian stated, for $97.00 there's still no equal value on the Net, period.

        Now, all that being said, can one now imagine the POWER Delavo(tm) will have with the "grandma ease of use" on top of that?

        EVERYONE must jump on that right now! Don't ask questions, just GET IT!

        Regards,

        Andre Foisy

        P.S: Where to get it? You can go to my site and click the Delavo banner if you will.
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    Well, there are step by step manuals, videos, workshops, a forum, and 1 on 1 help from me via Skype (and ALL free) to get anyone up and running with Delavo ASAP.

    And since Delavo is much more then a membership script, it only makes sense to get it when it is offered for free. Why waste time on something that canonly run your memberships when Delavo can run your entire Internet business?

    I have used Fantasos since it was released and I can't say enough good things about it. I run all my products, my 4 membership sites, and ALL of my affiliate programs through just this one platform. And while some people say that it is difficult to learn, I have never thought that. I have found that those who think so have not used what is available: manuals, videos, forum, etc. Nor did they experiment with setting up procedures as outlined in the manuals and videos.

    Delavo is the next generation and I am really looking forward to using it, especially since John said yesterday that every Fantasos owner with a PAID support subscription will get Delavo equal to Fantasos v1.18 at NO charge.

    And even if you don't have Fantasos, the core Delavo far surpasses anything else available.

    And to sweeten the deal, I will PERSONALLY help you understand how Delavo works and at NO charge whatsoever. So why would you pass on getting Delavo?

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  • Profile picture of the author dgerik
    WOW!!!

    Talk about a spirited discussion

    Let me see if I can offer something for consideration as to the statement of "Lifetime Upgrades" to Fantasos...

    Let's compare John's 3 Business Platforms (JV Manager, Fantasos and the NEW Delavo) to Microsoft's Windows Products.

    Let's say JV Manager is like Window 95.

    John SOLD JV Manager and Microsoft SOLD Windows 95.

    Both were delivered with the promise of "FREE UPGRADES through the life of the product." And customers rejoiced.

    JV Manager was revolutionary to the industry. It brought everyone to the next level and it set the stage for future growth...It brought the concept of centralization to an industry that desparately need it.

    Windows 95 was revolutionary to the industry. It brought everyone to the next level and it set the stage for future growth...It brought Personal computing our of the "dark ages" of DOS and into the modern world.

    John made NUMEROUS upgrades to JV Manager (For FREE).

    Microsoft made NUMEROUS upgrades to Windows 95 (For FREE).

    But the industry continued to evolve and become more sophisticated.

    This forced John (& Microsoft) to contemplate how they would evolve their incredible products.

    In the end, John (& Microsoft) made the decision to create a new platform to take advantage of the technological improvements made during the time of those products. And, both made the decision to halt development of the existing products.

    From John, out came Fantasos... And from Microsoft, came Windows XP.

    John told all the owners of JV Manager, that while Fantasos is a completely NEW product that pales in comparison to JV Manager...they will get a FREE upgrade to Fantasos. Some owners of JV Manager grumbled as they accused John of reneging on his promise of "FREE Upgrades". And John had to defend himself.

    Now, what did Microsoft do...

    Microsoft told all the owners of Windows 95...that Windows 95 is no longer the current product. There will be no more development on Windows 95. It is replaced by Windows XP. And that if you want to remain current you NEED to PURCHASE the UPGRADE to Windows XP...and by the way, it will cost you $100 per upgrade (I think that was the price at the time). Owners of Windows 95 grumbled but they kept hearing how good WinXP is and that is was light years ahead of Win95...that in the end, they all sucked it up and decided to give Microsoft they hard earned money.

    And John then once again promised FREE lifetime upgrades to owners of Fantasos. And, Microsoft promised FREE lifetime upgrades to owners of Windows XP.

    John continues to develop and evolve Fantasos for the next few years as does Microsoft with Windows XP.

    But the industry continued to evolve and become more sophisticated.

    This forced John (& Microsoft) to contemplate how they would evolve their incredible products.

    In the end, John (& Microsoft) made the decision that it is once again necessary to create a new platform to take advantage of the technological improvements made during the time of those products. And, both made the decision to halt development of the existing products.

    John began working on "Fantasos 2"...and told all owners of Fantasos...that he has begun development of "Fantasos 2" and that when it releases it, they will get it FREE of Charge and it will be GREAT. Please trust him. And John went back to developing "Fantasos 2".

    Microsoft began working on Windows Vista and told all the owners of Windows XP...Windows Vista is GREAT, You will Love it... BUT it will cost you $200-400 per upgrade (depending on the version you want).

    Users of Windows XP grumbled but in the end many decided to pay their money and upgrade to Windows Vista. And MANY were unhappy and "STUCK" with Windows Vista. BECAUSE Microsoft DOES NOT give refunds. Have a Nice Day...

    John continues to develop on "Fantasos 2". It begins "morphing" into a greatly changed and improved product that takes advantage of all the latest and greatest technological advances of the past few years. (during the life of Windows Vista).

    Windows Vista is a PR nightmare. Users of Windows Vista revolt and begin defecting to Apple and Linux. Microsoft must do something to stop the bleeding. So, Microsoft scrambles to make its successor, Window 7.

    John stops to evaluate what he has created in "Fantasos 2". And although it might "resemble" Fantasos...it is most certainly an entirely new platform. It is obvious that "this creation" is definitely no longer "Fantasos 2". John must make a decision to make. And he announces that he is stopping development of "Fantasos 2" and that in fact, he will be releasing an incredible new business platform codename "D". More details will be forthcoming... But don't worry...John will make it right.

    John now continues development in earnest on "D" and Microsoft continues to scramble with Windows 7 development.

    Finally, John is comfortable with "D" that he is ready to announce its pending arrival. It is officially known as "Delavo". John knows he made a promise to Fantasos Owners they would get "Lifetime free upgrades to Fantasos"...but this is no longer Fantasos.

    So, even though this is not Fantasos, John decides to honor his promise and will give all Fantasos Owners a FREE upgrade to Delavo. In fact, he says that for exactly one week, he will give EVERYONE a FREE copy of Delavo (that wishes to get one).

    And Microsoft announces that Windows 7 will be released to the public in the 3rd quarter of 2009...and it will be GREAT... It will be everything Windows Vista should have been...BUT if you want it, be prepared to pay $200-$400 per upgrade)...as this is no longer Windows Vista...BUT you want this because it will fix all the shortcomings of Windows Vista.

    JV Manager & Fantasos Owners begin to grumble that John is breaking his promise of free lifetime upgrades. They make accusations that Delavo is nothing more than Fantasos 2 renamed so he doesn't have to honor his promises.

    Windows Vista owners are outraged at having to purchase Windows 7...but they say in desparation "FINE, we will pay you once again... When can we get it as Windows Vista SUCKS".

    John Delavera says to the world... please come download Delavo for FREE (for this week*). It will be better than anything you have every seen. And, JV Manager Owners...while many of you upgraded to Fantasos for FREE...you can also upgrade to Delavo (including any Fantasos plugins you have) at a greatly reduced rate... and Fantasos owners...remember... you will get Delavo (including all your Fantasos plugins) for FREE...

    But yet for some JV Manager / Fantasos owners this is just not good enough. They want, expect and demand more!!!

    Hmmm... I wonder how many of thos JV Manager / Fantasos Owners are also Microsoft customers that purchased Windows 95, purchased Windows XP, purchased Windows Vista and are eagerly awaiting the opportunity to purchase Windows 7.

    Come on folks... what more do you want from John...as apparently he is certainly less ethical than Microsoft in trying to dupe everyone into buying Delavo!!!

    Oh well... I guess it takes all kinds and it just proves that there are those that will always expect and demand something for FREE...
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  • Profile picture of the author Tonytsports
    How do you get Devalo?

    Everytime I think I am getting it I have to opt in to another list. After three list opt in exercises I just gave up.
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    Sorry, it is my fault as I have not finished the help files and manuals yet. But I am working all day and night along with 2 others to get them completed ASAP. And it is VERY time consuming to write, take screenshots, edit, etc.

    As soon as I have finished at least the help files, John will release Delavo(tm). So please, no one blame John. It is because I want all those files to be perfect that Delavo(tm) has not been released yet.

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  • Profile picture of the author UncleHQ
    Hi dgerik (Dennis),

    Good comparison, i'll ask John the same question I asked Bill (never got an answer from Bill though) - any unmarried sisters? ;-)

    Brian
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    • Profile picture of the author mlevenhagen
      For the record... I used JVM1... I then upgraded to Fantasos.. and actually sell hosted eCommerce using it as a platform.

      And I'll be upgrading to the new platform as John reassured me personally it will be a flawless transition and upgrade. Which, is important considering $1000s of dollars worth of subscriptions and other transactions run through my installation every month; and it handles and tracks the $1000s in affiliate commissions I pay out each month...

      ..and has been for almost 2 years.

      There was a learning curve for me, but they have plenty of manuals, support and contextual help; and the forum. Many of the upgrades and added features over time solved some of my earlier issues.. I jumped on it and stayed with it because the vision I had for how I was setting up my businesses benefited greatly from some of it's core features (like remote memberships).

      When someone joins one of my memberships for example, they actually get access instantly to 4 different sites on 4 different websites remotely; all the same logins. That was a crucial feature for me. (aMember, my previous solution, couldn't do that.)

      But... bottom line, it just works. Month in and month out.

      It's one of the most reliable solutions I've ever used; and I'm confident Delavo will be the same. John hasn't given me any reason to think otherwise. I trust him and am actually suprised how many are giving him a hard time; I think if they just listen to what he's saying, they'll realize that they aren't losing anything.

      I'd rather be on board with someone that is working hard on developing something.. even if it shifts to a new platform.. than with someone that launches a solution they don't support in a year.

      Besides great support that I've enjoyed.. Donna's been a great help in creating manuals for those that use my hosted solution.. (which we need to discuss btw.. )..

      But! Overall I'm a happy camper. Like I said, it just works. And I've put many thousands of transactions through it and it supports 100s of members that gain access through it daily.

      You can't go wrong imo.. if it fits your business model. I can't say anything about if you have a regular, ecommerce store, but for memberships and digital products it's the best move I ever made!

      HTH!
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      • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
        Hey Matt

        I am creating manuals for Delavo just like I did for Fantasos. And once things settle down, we can talk about getting your customized manual updated.

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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    Nanohits

    No The help desk is for TECHNICAL problems only. Usage problems were for the forum.

    And we mods don't mind answering questions if someone has a problem. BUT not 27 questions in 2 hours when the answers are in the manuals and in the videos. And not every day being asked multiple questions when the answer is in the manuals.

    While we will help when needed, it is not our job to teach someone how to USE Fantasos. And not to spend 2-3 hours EVERY day answering questions from just one person. That gets frustrating REAL fast. Besides which I know of NO mod that spends that amount of time answering questions from a single person.

    And I put on 6 hour workshops 2x a day for 4 days straight to teach people Fantsos. I couldn't even talk afterwards! These were free for everyone to attend. Now what other script owner offered that? And if someone chose not to attend, I don't feel they have any right to complain in the future.

    And I am offering free workshops for Delavo that will span 12 weeks. Now if someone choses not to attend, I again don't think it is my job to spend 2-3 hours every day answering questions when they can find them in the manuals.

    It got to the point that other people on the forum PMed me asking me if this guy was for real or was he just trying to get me aggravated.

    After WEEKS of this, and I do mean weeks, we mods told him ro read the manuals, view the videos, or pay for a consultation with someone. And I would do the same thing again.

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    • Profile picture of the author nanohits
      Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

      Nanohits

      No The help desk is for TECHNICAL problems only. Usage problems were for the forum.

      And we mods don't mind answering questions if someone has a problem. BUT not 27 questions in 2 hours when the answers are in the manuals and in the videos. And not every day being asked multiple questions when the answer is in the manuals.

      While we will help when needed, it is not our job to teach someone how to USE Fantasos. And not to spend 2-3 hours EVERY day answering questions from just one person. That gets frustrating REAL fast. Besides which I know of NO mod that spends that amount of tome answering questions from a single person.
      And I put on 6 hour workshops 2x a day for 4 days straight to teach people Fantsos. I couldn't even talk afterwards! These were free for everyone to attend. Now what other script owner offered that? And if someone chose not to attend, I don't feel they have any right to complain in the future.

      And I am offering free workshops for Delavo that will span 12 weeks. Now if someone chosed not to attend, I again fon't think it is my job to spend 2-3 hours every day answering questions when they can find them in the manuals.

      It got to the point that other people on the forum PMed me asking me if this guy was for real or was he just trying to get me aggravated.

      After WEEKS of this, and I do mean weeks, we mods told him ro read the manuals, view the videos, or pay for a consultation with someone. And I would do the same thing again.

      Donna
      Donna fair enough.. I can see your point. Going by all the questions that he asked I would also be quite tired of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Yuzairy
    I've just read all the posts in this thread and surprised that people are having second thoughts of whether to get Delavo or not.

    I may be biased because I've used JVManager and later Fantasos. I made 5 figures last year (maybe small to some) but I owe it twice to to Fantasos and John.

    Fantasos was phenomenally great and John (as a person) is one of the nicest and visionary man that I've known.

    If you are still on the fence, then drop over to the Delavo side. Sign up and get Delavo for free while you still can. Even if you have no plans on installing it yet.

    Then watch the videos, flip through the manuals, go into the forum, attend the webinars and then decide for yourself. With the multiple support channels all given for free, I don't think you'll get lost.

    And I read that for Delavo, John is relaxing the requirements if SKILLED user want to write his own manual. The details have not been released yet but I'm already setting up a "Mastermind Club"
    (link in my sig - free access)

    Soon enough not only you'll be getting the official help, but the knowledgebase of Delavo will grow. All thanks to the "unofficial" but skilled users that will share their wisdom with us all.
    (Most of these people have posted in this thread )

    JVManager/Fantasos/Delavo is not "difficult". But rather than just words, let us show you how simple and how powerful Delavo can be.

    Just be prepared in what you'll discover
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  • Profile picture of the author UncleHQ
    Hi,

    Looks like Delavo is getting close - the system at use-sell has already changed over...

    Brian
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    • Profile picture of the author NetMan
      Originally Posted by briancol View Post

      Hi,

      Looks like Delavo is getting close - the system at use-sell has already changed over...

      Brian
      TRUE! Wow...

      And those with full merchant accounts can already explore the whole beast

      Regards,

      Andre
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  • Profile picture of the author John M Kane
    I'm an owner of Fantasos and am confused on how Delavo is "Free" when I have emails from John saying I can only get it if I pay "a SYMBOLIC fee" of $297 for the support area.
    Am I missing something here?
    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author NetMan
      Originally Posted by John M Kane View Post

      I'm an owner of Fantasos and am confused on how Delavo is "Free" when I have emails from John saying I can only get it if I pay "a SYMBOLIC fee" of $297 for the support area.
      Am I missing something here?
      Thanks
      Well yes, you've missed a lot

      The core D is free, it's basic though still powerful version, but to bring it equal to your F v1.18 it would requires that you buy several plugins. As a F owner you get them free if you correspond to certain conditions which are all explained in the same email you received as a matter of fact, maybe you should read it again carefully.

      Regards,

      Andre Foisy
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      • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
        Originally Posted by NetMan View Post

        Well yes, you've missed a lot

        The core D is free, it's basic though still powerful version, but to bring it equal to your F v1.18 it would requires that you buy several plugins. As a F owner you get them free if you correspond to certain conditions which are all explained in the same email you received as a matter of fact, maybe you should read it again carefully.

        Regards,

        Andre Foisy
        John sent an email a few days ago that everyone with a PAID support subscription does not pay anything at all. There is a thread on the Fantasos forum about this.

        Here is a quote from that post:

        ALL FANTASOS OWNERS THAT HAVE AN ACTIVE SUBSCRIPTION WITH THE SUPPORT AREA
        WILL GET DELAVO + ALL THE PLUGINS THAT MAKE IT EQUAL
        TO FANTASOS 1.18 (LATEST VERSION) AT NO COST.
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        • Profile picture of the author NetMan
          Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

          John sent an email a few days ago that everyone will [WITH] a PAID support subscription does not pay anything at all. There is a thread on the Fantasos forum about this.

          Here is a quote from that post:

          [ ... ]

          Donna
          And there you go, I didn't want to go to that extent, but there you go... and it has also been sent through email...

          Andre
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    • Profile picture of the author Instructor
      Originally Posted by John M Kane View Post

      I'm an owner of Fantasos and am confused on how Delavo is "Free" when I have emails from John saying I can only get it if I pay "a SYMBOLIC fee" of $297 for the support area.
      Am I missing something here?
      Thanks

      Hmmmm.

      Please elaborate on that John. I don't want to run into the same nightmare as with the FREE BM with the FORCED continuity to his magazine.

      In reference to the software itself, out of the box can the membership sites be set up so that it does incremental content, i.e. force members to start at the beginning of an ecourse or training program and not be able to just go in a download everything at once?

      I agree with concerns that the cost of plug-ins can somethimes get out of hand.

      One last thing, I tried to sign-up and ended up at an error page after the sign-in and never received an email confirming my subscription.
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  • Profile picture of the author PLRwithAlex
    I tried several membership site scripts and settled on JV Manger. It allows me to do individual product, multiple membership sites and works from one location over many domains.

    A Big Thumbs Up From Me!

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  • Profile picture of the author John Delavera
    Hi people

    No worries.

    I had forgot 1 small detail
    There is no problem with the new registrations.

    All are under control.

    Please try again once more and if you have no luck, then submit a ticket to the
    helpdesk. Ed & Eric will give guide you.

    If you have already opened a ticket you will get a mass email in some minutes.

    Sorry about that

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by John Delavera View Post

      Hi people

      No worries.

      I had forgot 1 small detail
      There is no problem with the new registrations.

      All are under control.

      Please try again once more and if you have no luck, then submit a ticket to the
      helpdesk. Ed & Eric will give guide you.

      If you have already opened a ticket you will get a mass email in some minutes.

      Sorry about that

      John
      Alright John

      I have sent you a pm
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  • Profile picture of the author John Delavera
    BTW... in almost all of the cases, only a human mistake can cause
    problems to Delavo

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author James_Harkin
    Everyone must be trying to register at the same time, best idea is to wait a few hours before trying to register because it seems the server is having a fit:

    "Internal Server Error. The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster @ jvmanager.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."

    Looking forward to trying it out

    Regards

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  • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
    I must admit that Delavo is not looking great at the moment.. I know that John might be a great coder/designer in a lot of peoples eyes, but for someone new to him its not looking too good...

    1) It was suppose to go live sometime last week.. But actually went live about four days later.. I know and understand that people had to get things done, i.e the manuals before they can hand out the product.. Then if that was the case John should not had been advertising until he knew everything was right/done..

    2) Since it has gone live. I cant access anything with my login details at all that was supplied via email.. I cant even access the support desk to sudmit a ticket..

    Dont get me wrong the script Delavo and the ones he has done in the past might be fanastic but to a newbie to him its put you off with all the problems getting the free script..

    I am sort of in limbo at the moment.. I want to get my membership site up and running asap, but I cant...
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    • Profile picture of the author UncleHQ
      Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

      I must admit that Delavo is not looking great at the moment.. I know that John might be a great coder/designer in a lot of peoples eyes, but for someone new to him its not looking too good...

      1) It was suppose to go live sometime last week.. But actually went live about four days later.. I know and understand that people had to get things done, i.e the manuals before they can hand out the product.. Then if that was the case John should not had been advertising until he knew everything was right/done..

      2) Since it has gone live. I cant access anything with my login details at all that was supplied via email.. I cant even access the support desk to sudmit a ticket..

      Dont get me wrong the script Delavo and the ones he has done in the past might be fanastic but to a newbie to him its put you off with all the problems getting the free script..

      I am sort of in limbo at the moment.. I want to get my membership site up and running asap, but I cant...
      Hi Byron,

      I am many others have not had a problem.

      I got my Delavo on the 24th and it installed no problem - have you tried The Internet Company - Powered by Kayako SupportSuite Help Desk Software

      P.M. me if you like and I will help you work through your problems.

      Brian
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by briancol View Post

        Hi Byron,

        I am many others have not had a problem.

        I got my Delavo on the 24th and it installed no problem - have you tried The Internet Company - Powered by Kayako SupportSuite Help Desk Software

        P.M. me if you like and I will help you work through your problems.

        Brian
        Good for them Brian. I know I haven't been able to download anything. I understand there was a minor glitch when trying to log into the updates section to download Delavo. No problem, things like that happen. Now that I am in, it is asking me for a license number to get the installation package.

        What license number? Never got one.

        I can see the support problems if I were to incorporate something like this. It really needs to be much simpler from my experience.

        Maybe my 15 years of programming experience doesn't help me to help myself as John seems to try to tell others who has a problem with his "system". I found John's response above to be a vainful reply to something others are having a problem with. Instead of listening, it sounds like he blames others for their difficulties.

        No problem, I have RAP and love it. Much simpler and the support is excellent. When things go wrong Sid doesn't blame the customer for it but works with them.
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        • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
          After inserting your domain and clicking on the button, you should scroll back to the bottom of the page where your license number is displayed.

          I just went through the procedure 2x to get licenses for my installation workshops tonight and on Sat. and had no problems at all either time.

          If you missed getting your license number, you need to open a help desk ticket and I will find it for you.

          Donna
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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            Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

            After inserting your domain and clicking on the button, you should scroll back to the bottom of the page where your license number is displayed.

            I just downloaded 2x to get licenses fo my installation workshops tonight and on Sat. and had no problems at all either time.

            If you missed getting your license number, you need to open a help desk ticket and I will find it for you.

            Donna
            What website, Donna? I logged into one and it told me to log into another to get my licenses. Nothing in the second site to even get a license.

            The email sent out never said anything about two different websites. It just said to log into the jv updates one.

            Donna, is this the normal Delavo way for customers? If so I am not interested. I need something easier for my customers to keep my support as low as possible.

            BTW, I am not attacking anyone so please don't think I am. I just don't want to waste your time, the help desk time and my time if this is the normal way a customer gets their product.


            Thanks Donna,
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            • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
              Did you get a notification email about how to download your Delavo? It sent you to an order page and after you inserted you name and email address, you are taken ro a 2nd order page where there is a button the says Get It. There you are taken to a thankyou page where you insert your domain for your license. After inserting the domain and clicking the button, you get that box with your license number.

              I have used Fantasos for over 2 years, have sold tens of thousands of dollars worth of products, run 4 memebrships, and hundreds of affiliates. And I get very few support questions. Most problems I have seen are operator error becuse I have done somerhing stupid. I have never had a problem with the way Fantasos, and now Delavo runs.

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              • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

                Did you get a notification email about how to download your Delavo? It sent you to an order page and after you inserted you name and email address, you are taken ro a 2nd order page where there is a button the says Get It. There you are taken to a thankyou page where you insert your domain for your license. After inserting the domain and clicking the button, you get that box with your license number.

                I have used Fantasos for over 2 years, have sold tens of thousands of dollars worth of products, run 4 memebrships, and hundreds of affiliates. And I get very few support questions. Most problems I have seen are operator error becuse I have done somerhing stupid. I have never had a problem with the way Fantasos, and now Delavo runs.

                Donna
                The only thing I got was an email that said go to jvmanager/updates site, the username and password. That is all. No order page or nothing.

                This isn't operating error on my part. I assure you. This is not knowing what the heck is going on because of the lack of instructions for downloading the package.
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        • Profile picture of the author UncleHQ
          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

          Good for them Brian. I know I haven't been able to download anything. I understand there was a minor glitch when trying to log into the updates section to download Delavo. No problem, things like that happen. Now that I am in, it is asking me for a license number to get the installation package.

          What license number? Never got one.

          I can see the support problems if I were to incorporate something like this. It really needs to be much simpler from my experience.

          Maybe my 15 years of programming experience doesn't help me to help myself as John seems to try to tell others who has a problem with his "system". I found John's response above to be a vainful reply to something others are having a problem with. Instead of listening, it sounds like he blames others for their difficulties.

          No problem, I have RAP and love it. Much simpler and the support is excellent. When things go wrong Sid doesn't blame the customer for it but works with them.
          Hi Thomas,

          I see from your postcount and a very impressive number of thankyou's in your mini profile that you are a seasoned warrior so I am certainly not going to suggest that you P.M. me for help :-).

          For the benefit of others though, the license number is generated using a form on the bottom of the thank you page once a couple of details are filled in (I always copy and paste this into a notepad file for posterity) - you do have to scroll down to the bottom of the page to see it and there will be a link to the download from here.

          Brian
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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            Originally Posted by briancol View Post

            Hi Thomas,

            I see from your postcount and a very impressive number of thankyou's in your mini profile that you are a seasoned warrior so I am certainly not going to suggest that you P.M. me for help :-).

            For the benefit of others though, the license number is generated using a form on the bottom of the thank you page once a couple of details are filled in (I always copy and paste this into a notepad file for posterity) - you do have to scroll down to the bottom of the page to see it and there will be a link to the download from here.

            Brian
            Brian, normally I would just walk away from something like this without saying a word. No big deal for me.

            I posted because of John's response above. Honestly, it pissed me off because I am not an idiot nor a fool. I created some fantastic products on my own and have experience with software users. The response above from John was not right, imo.

            The instructions were not good enough to download the software. I received an email stating the following.



            Your access codes for (manually by admin) ================================================== ==========
            URL: http://www.jvmanager.com/updates
            Username: XXXXX@XXXXX.com
            Password: XXXXXXX
            ================================================== ==========
            Support
            ================================================== ==========
            For support please always use our helpdesk located at The Internet Company - Powered by Kayako SupportSuite Help Desk Software

            --
            Best regards,
            Use -Sell.com



            I did exactly what is said and it asked me for a license number to download. No wonder why people are having problems.

            Don't worry about my post count or thank you count. They don't mean anything.
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      • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
        Originally Posted by John Delavera View Post

        Hi Byron

        Here is a part of a message I sent tonight to the DELAVO list.
        I hope you got it too and also do hope you can understand that
        you are trying to connect 2 different things here:

        1) the value of DELAVO of its creator
        2) your personal issues.

        Enjoy it:

        "Instead of blaming the "System" work with it.

        I read a blog post today where one talked about
        the "fiasco" behind DELAVO's release when
        actually what he posted was a description of his
        personal fiasco of registering his copy!

        I smiled of course, but also added my comment
        trying to make him THINK why his case is
        different than YOURS for example...

        Why didn't he manage to get his DELAVO
        when chances are you have already installed it!?

        How CAN YOU become a SUCCESSFUL
        marketer my friend and SERVE THOUSANDS
        OF CUSTOMERS when you cannot SUCCESSFULLY
        SERVE only 1 personal first??? YOURSELF!

        Especially when you can see HAPPY PEOPLE
        around you.... that MANAGED to DO what you
        were NOT able to do...

        Think about that...

        How can YOU TREAT your customers IN A
        NOBLE WAY - the way they'd be treated indeed,
        when YOU cannot behave yourself... when you
        are NOT the perfect example of that NOBLE
        behavior that characterizes the successful people
        and differentiate from the mass too?

        (...)

        You have already started a journey here, with us.
        You need to follow the trails on that road.

        The TRAILS are called INSTRUCTIONS
        and also: COMMUNICATION FUNNELS.

        Being frustrated you're only HURTING
        YOURSELF, not me, not my people."

        I do hope you will like the epilogue too.
        Needless to say I wrote these lines without seeing your post here.

        "Personally speaking
        I feel thankful because I failed many times online.
        I can talk with you for hours telling you stories
        for more than ten years of online failures.
        I call them efforts though.

        (...)

        I also enjoy the daily mistakes and errors I do..

        Some times I feel like Goofy indeed...
        Or that I am getting older.

        But... remember...

        It only takes 1-2 peanuts
        and Goofy is transformed
        to Super Goofy.

        Discover those peanuts - we have spread them
        all over of our "Systems." Some have the form
        of a forum, some others are called Helpdesk...
        and some of them are called Super Goofy too.

        Or just Goofy...

        Being isolated and surrounded by your frustrations
        only does not help at all; on the contrary it hurts
        your soul.

        Ask a Goofy. There is always at least one Goofy in my
        forums... the one that is writing these words to you.

        And enjoy the journey..."

        John

        Can you please explain how I am trying to connect two different things?? You have sent out an email to the Delavo List, correct? You get an email when you activate your choosen domain name, which supplys you with a list of username and passwords to different places, i.e to get the manauls and videos.. Even one to the support desk, which does not work.. Donna Walsh can verify that for me However she has given me an direct email address to contact Ed through.. So hopefully you guys will be able to help me out

        But I am totally confused to what you mean connect two different things??
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      • Profile picture of the author bluegold14
        Originally Posted by John Delavera View Post

        Hi Byron

        I read a blog post today where one talked about
        the "fiasco" behind DELAVO's release when
        actually what he posted was a description of his
        personal fiasco of registering his copy!

        I smiled of course, but also added my comment
        trying to make him THINK why his case is
        different than YOURS for example...

        Why didn't he manage to get his DELAVO
        when chances are you have already installed it?"[/I]
        John, either you don't understand written English or you're twisting what you've read on my Blog.

        Here are the real facts:

        I tried to subscribe to the notification list a few times but clicking on the "submit" button led me nowhere. Obviously a problem at your end.

        When I finally managed to subscribe I never received the confirmation link from your autoresponder. Obviously, a problem at your end.

        Since I couldn't confirm my subscription, I never got any email with instructions to download a copy or register it. And all this is my "personal fiasco"?...

        By what I'm reading on this thread I'm not the only one who's had problems with Delavo...

        Strangely enough, such a successful launch is reopening now for 48 hours because of "requests from JV partners and also by users that missed the DELAVO give-away"...

        Peace be with you. And a little humility too.
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    Hi Thomas

    Did you sign up for the norification list at Delaverianmarketing.com?

    A message was sent to all of those on the notification list at just past midnight on Mon. The email was titled Get DELAVO - Instructions

    That email contained a link to the order page of Delavo.

    I am not sure what emails you received but this email is the one that will get you to your Delavo download.

    Donna
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

      Hi Thomas

      Did you sign up for the norification list at Delaverianmarketing.com?

      A message was sent to all of those on the notification list at just past midnight on Mon. The email was titled Get DELAVO - Instructions

      That email contained a link to the order page of Delavo.

      I am not sure what emails you received but this email is the one that will get you to your Delavo download.

      Donna
      Hi Donna,

      I did sign up which is why I got the email I posted to Brian.

      How many emails with instructions are we suppose to have received? I posted what I got to Brian. Was there suppose to be more?


      Thanks,
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      • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
        Hi Thomas

        I just looked in my database and you did not create a Delavo license. Therefore I do not have a license number for you. That means you did not go through the ordering procedure.

        I am not sure why you got that particular email or what generated it. But the email you need is the the one titled Get DELAVO - Instructions.

        Did you receive that email just past midnight on Mon?

        Donna
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

          Hi Thomas

          I just looked in my database and you did not create a Delavo license. Therefore I do not have a license number for you. That means you did not go through the ordering procedure.

          I am not sure why you got that particular email or what generated it. But the email you need is the the one titled Get DELAVO - Instructions.

          Did you receive that email just past midnight on Mon?

          Donna

          No, I haven't gone through any ordering process. From the email I posted, I just thought I was suppose to go there. I have no idea why I got that email either.

          Maybe some of the others had the same problem as me which is understandable.

          I will take a look, for that email, when I get more time. I have a product update I am releasing tomorrow. If I don't find it, I will post a support ticket instead of posting here.

          Thanks for your help, Donna.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by John Delavera View Post

      Thomas

      Sorry but you have messed things up.

      I respect your experience, so you may also respect my
      25-year experience with the Net and with what I have
      been doing online so far.

      So when I say you messed the things I mean it.

      Please just accept that from a wiser man and move on.

      Blaming the customers is what you said.
      I did not say anything like that.

      Things are simple - pay attention.

      The subscribers of the notification list got a link.
      They signed up with that link and once they reached the thank you page
      there had been a form there... it's impossible to miss it...

      But if you missed it, just log in at use-sell.com/2 and retrieve the
      thank you page of the "purchase" - it'll say: DELAVO

      That form asks 1 thing from you: the domain name you want
      to tie your license too.

      And that's it.

      Once you give it, you can then get your license ID and
      the instructions on how you can download DELAVO.

      I can't believe it was that difficult for you with such an experience
      when some people with no experience have set it up in seconds.

      DELAVO
      DELAVO
      DELAVO
      DELAVO
      DELAVO
      DELAVO

      I hope the URLs are enough.

      PLEASE: do not feed the discussion.
      I told people there had been a glitch - a human one
      but that was it, and it happened during the first hours.
      Since then we have more than 4,000 licenses issued.

      I respect you as a seller and you know I have bought
      many of your products too. So I demand the same
      respect here and I feel it's fair feeling that way.


      Peace.

      John

      Sorry John, but I did not mess up. I appreciate you being a customer of mine but I never told any of my customers I am wiser than they are. I am a customer of yours as well and would appreciate better customer service from you.

      I am adding to the discussion based on my experiences. Just because you purchased from me doesn't mean that I cannot post my experiences about your product. Normally this it is a great thing to get feedback to make your process more streamline and user friendly. Too bad you seem to fight it.

      I haven't seen anything to make me think you are wiser than me. In fact, some of your statements make me think the opposite.

      If you didn't send me several emails telling me to do different things it would have been far easier to get my copy. Too bad you muddied the water, so to speak, with unnecessary emails and confusing instructions. I would have thought things like this wouldn't have happened based on your experience.


      I would like to thank Donna for all the help she gave me. She was simply awesome and I think John could learn a thing or two on how she conducted business. I will be trying to emulate her when dealing with customer support myself.

      Edited: I wanted to wish you good luck on this launch regardless of our disagreement in this thread. I am hoping this will work out the way you envisioned it, John.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Delavera
    Ari - I return the wishes. Thanks
    Thomas - no need to continue this. Sorry if I sounded as an egoist.

    Please work with the support team for all issues.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by John Delavera View Post

      Ari - I return the wishes. Thanks
      Thomas - no need to continue this. Sorry if I sounded as an egoist.

      Please work with the support team for all issues.

      Thanks
      Hi John,

      Donna took care of me. No worries, I still think of you as one of the good guys.

      Now, I need to get my product update and new product done. No sleep for me. I just love this programming stuff. I am sure I will be buying a lot of your plugins for this new product.

      Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
    I would personally like to thank the following people for helping me out and finally get a working Devalo system on my domain name

    Donna Walsh
    Brian Collins
    & Gordon Sheppard

    Thank You Guys
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    • Profile picture of the author mick535
      While I finally got my copy of Delavo, I have to say that the process and the email chain explaining how this all would unfold was more than confusing.

      I was rather disappointed with what I expected to be a great launch. Especially when I finally figured out how to back door into the Licensing process to get my download and what did I get today, but an email asking for testimonials earing a Delavo t-shirt???

      What is the bonus for these testimonials? You get the $2997 Plugin package for $297. So all the promises of a new, lower price point software was disguised by the intent to take away all the features and market the functionality.

      The bad thing is, as a new Turbo Member, am I going to get half of what used to be part of Fantasos? Or do I now have to pay for it?
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  • Profile picture of the author UncleHQ
    Hi Michael,

    I am also a Turbo member - where are you getting less than you had access to before - the version of Fantasos which is now Delavo has all the features it had before.

    What you have downloaded is the version that is designed for people to host on their own server and can be added to with plugins.

    I got the same e-mail (which actually requested that the information be kept private for turbo members) and thought it was a very nice gesture to give such a whopping discount - because John looks after his Turbo Members.

    Brian
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    • Profile picture of the author mick535
      That's the problem. I didn't have Fantasos before. The new member's area changed and I only received the new Delavo self hosted script as I only joined the Turbo Membership a few days ago during this promotion.

      That is why I am concerned that I joined at a bad time and will now lose out while older members will still retain the benefits of the previous version.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sonja
        Originally Posted by mick535 View Post

        That's the problem. I didn't have Fantasos before. The new member's area changed and I only received the new Delavo self hosted script as I only joined the Turbo Membership a few days ago during this promotion.

        That is why I am concerned that I joined at a bad time and will now lose out while older members will still retain the benefits of the previous version.
        Michael,

        If you had a beef with something with John, and since you are now a TM'er, why did you come to this public forum to air your dirty laundry? Turbocommunity is there for you to get all the information you needed and your concerns and assumptions, which are wrong in the first place, would have been addressed.

        FOR the record, YOU have lost NOTHING. The Delavo package you have is a package that can be customized to meet your needs as your business grows. There is no urgency to get plugins because some folks truly won't need them. It is an OPTION for you and if you don't have the OPTIONS does not mean that it isn't any good.

        Instead of trying to logically evaluate what you have you chose to be a crybaby about nothing. Your actions here, disclosing private information for TM'ers only, proves that you aren't TM material anyway, and anyone else with a private membership for that matter because you will certainly not honor the rules.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by mick535 View Post

        That's the problem. I didn't have Fantasos before. The new member's area changed and I only received the new Delavo self hosted script as I only joined the Turbo Membership a few days ago during this promotion.

        That is why I am concerned that I joined at a bad time and will now lose out while older members will still retain the benefits of the previous version.
        Mick, why do you think you should have the same benefits of members that have been paying for a long time. You just signed up. It sounds like you signed up just to try to get what the longer term members would get.
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        • Profile picture of the author mick535
          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

          Mick, why do you think you should have the same benefits of members that have been paying for a long time. You just signed up. It sounds like you signed up just to try to get what the longer term members would get.
          This is my point. 30 days ago, if I became a Turbo Member (which I was considering, this new promotion sealed the deal for me), I would have received the entire Fantasos package just like everyone here who has been a Turbo Member for however long. Why would how long you have been a member make a difference? The sales page seems to offer the same benefits no matter when you sign up.

          Now however, because I waited (too long evidently) I will not have the same capabilities in my Delavo account without paying for additional Plugins. Right or Wrong?

          The membership interface changed over the last few week and the Hosting account and Turbo Responder is no longer part of the Membership either. I now have to pay for that as well, which I knew going in. I was expecting more from the membership with this new launch. Not less.

          Get my point? With a new launch, you would think there would be some added bonuses.

          There is no dirty laundry here. Just facts that I am trying to clear up. If I am wrong, please point me in the right direction. If I am right, then I guess I will only be a Turbo Member for a very short time.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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            Originally Posted by mick535 View Post

            This is my point. 30 days ago, if I became a Turbo Member (which I was considering, this new promotion sealed the deal for me), I would have received the entire Fantasos package just like everyone here who has been a Turbo Member for however long. Why would how long you have been a member make a difference? The sales page seems to offer the same benefits no matter when you sign up.

            Now however, because I waited (too long evidently) I will not have the same capabilities in my Delavo account without paying for additional Plugins. Right or Wrong?

            The membership interface changed over the last few week and the Hosting account and Turbo Responder is no longer part of the Membership either. I now have to pay for that as well, which I knew going in. I was expecting more from the membership with this new launch. Not less.

            Get my point? With a new launch, you would think there would be some added bonuses.

            There is no dirty laundry here. Just facts that I am trying to clear up. If I am wrong, please point me in the right direction. If I am right, then I guess I will only be a Turbo Member for a very short time.
            I see what you are saying Mick. That sucks you waited too long. You may want to contact the help desk for the membership site to see what is included with your membership. I am sure they may be able to answer your question.
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          • Profile picture of the author Amirol
            Hi Michael,

            ...I would have received the entire Fantasos package just like everyone here who has been a Turbo Member for however long. Why would how long you have been a member make a difference? The sales page seems to offer the same benefits no matter when you sign up....
            That's the HOSTED version of Delavo. You should login to use-sell.com/2 and choose Master Mode to start using the system.

            If you are planning to host the script on your own server, then you need to purchase the additional plugins in order to make Delavo function equal as Fantasos.





            Originally Posted by mick535 View Post

            This is my point. 30 days ago, if I became a Turbo Member (which I was considering, this new promotion sealed the deal for me), I would have received the entire Fantasos package just like everyone here who has been a Turbo Member for however long. Why would how long you have been a member make a difference? The sales page seems to offer the same benefits no matter when you sign up.

            Now however, because I waited (too long evidently) I will not have the same capabilities in my Delavo account without paying for additional Plugins. Right or Wrong?

            The membership interface changed over the last few week and the Hosting account and Turbo Responder is no longer part of the Membership either. I now have to pay for that as well, which I knew going in. I was expecting more from the membership with this new launch. Not less.

            Get my point? With a new launch, you would think there would be some added bonuses.

            There is no dirty laundry here. Just facts that I am trying to clear up. If I am wrong, please point me in the right direction. If I am right, then I guess I will only be a Turbo Member for a very short time.
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            • Profile picture of the author mick535
              Originally Posted by Amirol View Post

              Hi Michael,



              That's the HOSTED version of Delavo. You should login to use-sell.com/2 and choose Master Mode to start using the system.

              If you are planning to host the script on your own server, then you need to purchase the additional plugins in order to make Delavo function equal as Fantasos.
              You see, that would have been nice to know, but I didn't see that information anywhere. Was it in the Blue Book?
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              • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
                The email CLEARLY stated that it was for TurboMembers Only.

                Instead of coming here and whining, you should have asked for clarification on the TM forum or even from John himself.

                Since you broke the confidentiately of an email that was meant for TMers only, you are no longer a TMer. And I was 1 of John's inner circle that voted you out. So don't blame it on John. He asked our opinion and we ALL said "out" as you could never be trusted again.

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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    Michael

    You should not be revealing information that was ONLY meant for TMers. You just cut off your nose to spite your face. How do you ever expect John to willingly help you in the future? Or any of us that are loyal followers for that matter? What a dumb thing you did.

    And so what if you are not getting what long time TMers have. You should have joined the TM sooner. And in any case, the free version of Delavo will be sufficient for at least 80% of internet marketers.

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    • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
      Hey

      I am not angry at him for posting his remarks even though if he had read the sales page he would see that he was not getting the full blown Fantasos. He assumed something and took out his frustrations here. Well he was completely in the wrong there and he should have asked before spouting off.

      What I am really angry about is that he revealed privileged info sent to only TMers. The email CLEARLY stated that it was a special deal and for TMers only. But he revealed it in a public forum which has the possibility of affecting John financially. And that is unforgiveable. And that is what I posted to him.

      And it is your opinion which is not mine.

      Donna

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      Michael

      You should not be revealing information that was ONLY meant for TMers. You just cut off your nose to spite your face. How do you ever expect John to willingly help you in the future? Or any of us that are loyal followers for that matter? What a dumb thing you did.

      And so what if you are not getting what long time TMers have. You should have joined the TM sooner. And in any case, the free version of Delavo will be sufficient for at least 80% of internet marketers.

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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    Nope You can run unlimited memberships, products, affiliates through Delavo.

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  • Profile picture of the author UncleHQ
    Hi Michael,

    There are two things that seem to getting confused here.

    As a turbo member, you get access to use a full blown Fantasos/Delavo account - nothing has been taken away and nothing has been added - only a script upgrade has happened.

    The Free version of Delavo that you now have is an entirely seperate thing - if you want to host a version of Delavo on your own server then that is what you would use - it is a basic version which can be added to with plugins if you want.

    You have access to the most powerful version through your membership.

    As you saw with the e-mail that should not have been leaked - John has kindly discounted the cost of adding the plugins to bring the free version which you can host on your own server at a special Turbo Members price (I repeat he always looks after his loyal members).

    Brian
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  • Profile picture of the author nanohits
    Hmm... This seems more like an exclusive club than helping people out. I can see Mikes point and am starting to wonder from all the fanbois/fangals when someone says they had problems downloading or logging in, the usual answer from fanbois are, well I didnt have any problems so i have no idea why you are having the problem. As a matter of fact I had all kinds of problems and after a while got through but I can tell you the whole process is so convulated and confusing and there needs to be an easier way.

    Just seems like if someone is negative or brings anything up negative, all the fanbois are very agressive to knock that person off. The case for Mike for example is not go to trial. Its more like shoot first then ask questions. People do make mistakes, give them a chance to correct it or get an explanation from them before terminating them. And from reading this entire thread, Donna seems to be particularly aggressive and harsh and seems less tolerant.

    Just remember as in life if someone makes a mistake you dont just terminate them without asking them why they have done it or getting their point of view. As in any contract if a mistake has been done, there is always something called a cure and cause to work things out before termination.

    P.S: Hope I am not a marked man for posting my opinion when I try out Delavo
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    • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
      I have no tolerance for people who come to an open forum and complain instead of following the proper funnels. If he had a problem why didn't he ask at the TM instead of posting negatives here, ESPECIALLY since if he had gone through the proper funnels, his problem would have been resolved.

      And I do not feel sorry for Mick at all. He came to this forum, posted information that was not to be shared, thereby revealing to the world privileged information. Then cried because he did not get everything he wanted. Sounds like a 2 yo throwing a tantrum.

      Things change in life so what you got last week might not be what you get this week. But that is life. I remember when I bought ice cream by the half gallon but now that has been downsized and I get less than 1/2 gallon for the same price. But that's the way life is. The sale letter did not tell him he would get a full blown Fantasos. The sales letter clearly stated that Delavo is what he would get and that Delavo had less features than Fantasos.

      So it is his fault for assuming he would get more. That did not give him a reason to come him and complain and to post privileged information. He should have posted his questions on the TM, opened a help desk ticket, or contacted John. What he did was come here to just to post a complaint, not to seek help or an explanation.

      I don't call what he did a mistake. I call it pure nastiness on his part whch is what he got in return.

      He deserves what he got which is banned from the TM. And 8/8 voted him out.

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      • Profile picture of the author nanohits
        Originally Posted by dlwalsh View Post

        I have no tolerance for people who come to an open forum and complain instead of following the proper funnels. If he had a problem why didn't he ask at the TM instead of posting negatives here, ESPECIALLY since if he had gone through the proper funnels, his problem would have been resolved.
        Donna
        Well you will need to find some tolerance then. Thats what customer service is all about. they are the ones who put bread on your table. If he posts negative here then take it instead of being aggressive and having little patience and politely telling them what they have done is wrong. Thats a more seasoned approach then trying to attack them by calling them fools or dumb etc. You dont have to stoop that low. Some users find forums like these to come and post negatively. So what, that shouldnt itch your bum. I would rather more people see this than in a private forum so people can make informed decisions. Thats the beauty of a forum and how open it is. Openness is the best way!!

        So he did something wrong. But everyone needs to have a chance. I pity someone who has been accused of murder who doesnt get a trial but instead gets a death sentence. Granted this is not that extreme but you get my point of what I am trying to say. At the end of the day its Johns product and he can do whatever he wants with it...

        P.S: Just remember no product is 100% perfect or bug free. Some users will always have issues with whatever software thats out there. Some may not like certain aspects of the software. You
        just need to respect that. Some will love it, some will not like it. We just have to take the good with the bad and sometimes even if we try to defend it, they will always say they dont like it.
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    I don't need ro find any tolerance especially with people who are not trustworthy. How can you trust somebody that will reveal privileged information? And you think I should find tolerance for somebody like that? I think not.

    He ASSUMED something then instead of finding out facts decided to sling mud. So he deserved being hit back. And again 7 others also thought what he did was inexcusable.

    He was completely wrong and that is it.

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  • Profile picture of the author nanohits
    Hmmm. As an outsider looking in, I didnt notice any mudslinging. Didnt even know he breached anything until I saw your aggressive post..

    Anyways I am just saying in this entire thread, you have come across more as a zealot than anything else where you are ready to pounce on any negative feedback.
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    That is your opinion and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

    In my opinion, he came here slinging mud. I slung back.

    End of the converstion.
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  • Profile picture of the author nanohits
    Good motto... Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth
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    Just like the bible says
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  • Profile picture of the author nanohits
    Yeah difference is thats the old testament, not the new testament. New Testament teaches more tolerance
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    To each their own. You live like you like but that doesn't mean everyone else should too. Again your opinion is your opinion, that doesn't make your opiniion right nor does it make it wrong. It is just your opinion.

    You think I am wrong. I don't. Again your opinion is not the same as mine. Doesn't make you right, doesn't make you wrong. Doesn't make me right, doesn't make me wrong.

    Since you don't know what my religion is, you don't know if I follow the old or the new testament. And which one I do, or even if I do, is up to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author nanohits
    Fair enough,

    Just FYI, I am a possible future customer of Delavo but I will evaluate it and see what Delavo can do before taking the plunge to buy up the plugins etc and will wait to hear from other newbies on what the customer service is like rather than only hearing from fanbois who have either worked for John or have some interests as volunteers for the program which most seem to be from reading this thread. But I am being put off by a lot of hostility shown thus far. Would be nice if more tact was shown and some fresh air instead of steam. Will also be nice to see crticism be taken in good spirit rather than saying its my opinion and I will do what I want, you do what you want. This is an open forum, many are watching whats being typed in this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Delavera
    HTML clipboardHi everybody

    I'd like to personally thank Michael for his PM.


    The use of the right communication
    funnels is the best and easiest way
    to reach the solution faster and
    without any danger to be misunderstood.

    While Michael has been a new TMer,
    only for a few days, and the TM is
    quite huge for grasping the feeling of
    the community and its rules, he did
    a mistake, and recognized it, the mistake
    had its consequences; we both understood
    each other, there is no issue today and
    we move on.

    Peace.

    I'd also like to thank all the TMers
    for standing by the TM and me personally
    and thus proving once more the integrity
    and the solidarity of our turbo community.

    We are not against to the CONSTRUCTIVE criticism
    - that's how we are improving ourselves anyway.
    And of course we are all supporters of freedom
    to all levels, starting from the personal level and ending
    up to the mental freedom that in turn leads us to our
    successes in business. Thus rest assured we do
    recognize to all the right to talk free and we also
    demand the same right for ourselves too.

    However as TMers we use to count our words
    and know that each word counts, and that's
    how we prefer to allow our actions to speak;
    instead of publishing our frustrations, we choose
    to work for a solution silently and see the process
    as a learning experience.


    If our actions when defending what we feel
    is right and fair or unfair and bad, seem quite
    hyperbolic is because we are are all quite a bit more
    sensitive to some specific things that have to
    do with ethics, integrity and discipline to their
    extreme extent. That's why we may shout some
    times - please do not consider it as an example
    of a bad soul, but instead try to translate it as an
    expression of a heart that has been hurt on a
    personal and also on the community's level; that
    heart is also entitled to exercise freedom of speech,
    sometimes loudly - accordingly to the extent
    of the damage and pain.

    If you have the smallest doubt about
    all the above, you can allow time to be
    the fairest judge anyway.


    Thanks in advance for your understanding,


    John Delavera
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    • Profile picture of the author mick535
      I appreciate it John and I appreciate the response to my PM.

      One point and I will be done with this thread.

      1. During the signup and initial membership stage, the Turbo Membership was being changed. What was on the Main Turbo site changed from what it was one day to something different the next. As a new member, sifting through this was very difficult. My observation was that there should be a set of guidelines and instructions sent to each new member in an email or on the main page with Step by Step instructions on how to get the most out of the membership. I am not talking about the Blue Book, I am talking about all the things the membership entails and how to access it. This all seemed very disjointed to me. The emails I received were not clear at all. This is not a dig, it is an observation as a newcomer. I would recommend improving this portion of the membership for New Members because it is very confusing. It also might just be a matter of timing for me, but that comes down to what I perceived to be a very unorganized launch that didnt go according to plan due to some technical difficulties. I overlooked the "CONFIDENTIAL" portion of the email mainly due to the fact that I was already frustrated with this process.

      If you read my Top 3 Membership Software thread in this forum, my main gripe with Fantasos was the fact that it was a Hosted solution. I joined as a TMer strictly to take advantage of Delavo; it not being a hosted solution. I feel that most marketers/ internet business persons would not want to tie themselves to someone else's product for a long term business solution. In this case that being the Turbo Membership and having to pay for that solution forever; hoping that the owner of that solution (John) would never decide to change things or cancel the service. When I heard Delavo would be a self hosted script, I jumped at the chance to get it. I already have a thriving business and I have been looking for a self hosted solution like Fantasos to centralize my business. I wasn't looking at the TM as a long term solution. When I perceived that the Plugins were the hidden marketing strategy (right or wrong) behind continuing to keep people as Turbo Members, I was not so happy about it and I should have kept my cool. I acted on impulse and posted something here that I shouldn't have. I was wrong. No doubt.

      I would comment on your associate's comments above, but you already did that in a very professional manner.

      Thanks.

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      • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
        New TMers are sent an email welcoming them to the TM and telling them what help is available. Subject line: Welcome To Turbo Membership

        We sent out many, many new welcome emails just last week. And I have personally spoken with several new TMers and helped them find their way. Did you not get that email? Or was it "overlooked"?

        I do keep a spreadsheet of to who and when I sent emails which I can check and then let you know exactly when that email was sent to you.

        And as John said, being a TMer, especially a long term one, means "we are are all quite a bit more sensitive to some specific things that have to do with ethics, integrity and discipline to their extreme extent."

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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    The proper help funnel set up by John is to go to the forum. But also in that email is my Skype name where I can be contacted and my Turbo email address. So there is more help offered then just being sent to the forum.

    And I didn't say I spoke to a lot of new TMers. I said several which was 3 out of hundreds and actually those 3 wanted to know what they should do next.

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    Korvix

    I completely agree

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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    WOW!! am I sure glad I left out of this thread ...

    Why not just get the guns out and start shooting ..

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  • Profile picture of the author UncleHQ
    Hi,

    This is one master reseller that does still offer support travelhuni.

    In my opnion - yes it is still worth buying - an alternative would be to look at the upcoming Delaverian Marketing promotion - I have been told that the free version of Delavo will be included with it.

    Brian
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    • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
      Yes, Brian is one of the people that I would suggest that you purchase JV Manager 1 from as many people rave about his knowledge as well as the excellent support he gives.

      But if you can get Delavo, I suggest that you do as it is the latest step up in John's excellent business platforms

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  • Profile picture of the author travelhuni
    since i missed the free Delavo giveaway, can anyone tell me if it is coming back, or what is to be launched this week?
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    • Profile picture of the author UncleHQ
      Hi Guys,

      Yes, I have been told that Delavo will be included in the Delaverian Marketing Promotion on the 29th June, 2009.

      You can dowload an 88 page e-book for free from the link in my sig and sign up to John's list there too to get the updates of the promo.

      In a nutshell, it is John Delavera's marketing course which the e-book there explains.

      Brian
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    John is launching the second part of his May 17th product launch. For certain reasons, this part was not released on May 17th.

    I do believe that Delavo will be part of the promotion on June 29th but I do not think it will be free without an additional purchase as it was before.

    But everything will be revealed on Monday. And I am not 100% positive about what part Delavo will play in this launch.

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  • Profile picture of the author pritesh
    i wud recommend delavo..
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  • Profile picture of the author DanielC
    This has been a great thread to read.

    I think the most important thing here is to KNOW What You Need out a script according the service you want to provide. This is most important because you can get every great feature and plugin in any given script out there but if you are not able to recognize the opportunities those features provide then it useless to have them and the script suddenly becomes "complicated".

    With that said, I can tell you that once you understand the Logic behind John's script then you can focus on learning the features. In fact, if you actually grasp that logic then I bet you can learn JVManager, Fantasos or Delavo all the same. DELAVO will give you everything you need to run your online business including creating membership sites, but that's just ONE feature of the script among many.

    So, if for some reason you didn't get Delavo before please get it on the 29th. and give it a shot, you won't regreat it. Again, as John always says "the use improves the user" this means learn the logic of how the script works. You can learn the logic by using the script.
    You can start using it by becoming a Turboaffiliate for free or even better by becoming a Turbomember and getting your hosted account.
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  • Profile picture of the author travelhuni
    Ok somebody tell me where i missed it, i was on the list for June 29 "launch" but i didn't see anything other than the ebook. was delavo given away free again?
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwalsh
    I am not sure how you missed the event as I got several emails from those promoting it.

    And no, Delavo was not given away free by itself. Delavo was a bonus with the purchase of John's marketing course.

    As I understand it, the only way to get Delavo from now on is as a bonus to one of John's promotions or by becoming a TMer.

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