Is Igor worth the money?

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I am a complete newbie. I have been lurking on the warrior forum for a long time, but have yet to do anything that produces a sale online. I just have not found anything that I felt really comfortable with, enough to devote my time to. I just don't want to waste my time on stuff that I know 99% of all people fail at, or spend 2 years trying/experimenting, only to be making $50 per month.
So, I have recently come across Igor Kheifets and Cory Friedman. I believe Cory learned what he does from Igor.
From what I have read, Igor teaches you how to build a list, then sell Solo Ads using your list, claiming that almost anyone who follows his instructions will make good solid money within a few months. I don't know what he charges for his mentoring program, but I'm sure it is not cheap. Does anyone know what he charges?
What Cory says is that if you pay him $2K he will build a list for you, then teach you how to sell solo ads using your list. Both are basically doing the same thing. Cory already has things setup to get your list built quickly without the pains of learning how to do that part. But, Igor teaches you how to do this part yourself so that you can repeat or grow anytime you want. There is just a longer learning curve because you are learning and doing it all yourself.
Do any of you have opinions on these two, the strategies they teach, actual cost of mentoring with Igor, etc? I know it can't be as easy as they say, and as easy as their multitude of glowing reviews say. What info can you share with someone who really wants to make a good income online without all the tedious SEO stuff and high failure rates?

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
    redbaron13,

    I wouldn't pay for either....

    Why?

    There is no "secret" they'll share...

    It is the basics....

    Paid traffic... Squeeze page to free offer....

    Then, market to subscribers...

    Why not use that $5,000 to test a variety of squeeze pages and traffic sources? Once you have that optimized, you can really scale up.

    All the Best,

    Rich Beck BCIP, MCSD, MCIS
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    • Profile picture of the author redbaron13
      Well, the theory is that you could take the learning curve down to a few weeks or so, rather than experimenting and taking months or years to get it figured out right and producing.
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      • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
        Originally Posted by redbaron13 View Post

        Well, the theory is that you could take the learning curve down to a few weeks or so, rather than experimenting and taking months or years to get it figured out right and producing.
        redbaron,

        Once you know the basics with this, there is no way to "take the learning curve down to a few weeks or so."

        It is all about testing.... Testing how different traffic sources convert.... Testing how different offers convert.... Testing how different squeeze pages for each offer convert....

        As I wrote earlier, they aren't going to share any "secrets." Trust me, I've been there with so called "Coaching."

        All The Best,

        Rich Beck BCIP, MCSD, MCIS
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
          Originally Posted by RichBeck View Post

          redbaron,

          Once you know the basics with this, there is no way to "take the learning curve down to a few weeks or so."

          It is all about testing.... Testing how different traffic sources convert.... Testing how different offers convert.... Testing how different squeeze pages for each offer convert....

          As I wrote earlier, they aren't going to share any "secrets." Trust me, I've been there with so called "Coaching."

          All The Best,

          Rich Beck BCIP, MCSD, MCIS

          It's not that they won't share secrets. Most coaches I know (and I know a LOT of them) will share most everything they know.

          The thing is, there really ARE no "secrets". You already said pretty much all there is - traffic, funnels, etc.

          I think a couple of things happen here. Many people who buy in to coaching do so because the sales copy for coaching is usually pretty good. I also say there is a lot of coaching out there that IS really good.

          I paid for coaching years ago and what it did for me was to take all those basics I already knew and - for example - helped me streamline how to test, gave me some new ideas on list building, and more. But it simply built on what I already knew.

          Not everyone is capable of simply dissecting someone else's process and make sense of it. I couldn't - which is why I paid for coaching. And it paid me back in spades.

          For me, it was learn the basics, then get coaching to hone the skills.

          As much as we shouldn't buy into all the coaching hype, we should also not buy into all the "coaching is BS - you can learn it all for free" crap either.

          There is middle ground

          Having said that, I can offer no feedback on Igor.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    I personally don't like they way they do business in general. I've been trying to get off Igor's list for over a year. Every time I unsubscribe, he exports his old contacts to a new email provider and starts emailing again quite aggressively while ignoring the prior unsubscribes. This happens every few months which suggests the business is not sustainable over the long term with traditional email providers.

    That said, you can easily reverse engineer his business by opting into his funnel and taking careful notes of the landing pages, offers, etc. Then you'll see what he's really doing in his business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gijsbertus
      Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

      I personally don't like they way they do business in general. I've been trying to get off Igor's list for over a year. Every time I unsubscribe, he exports his old contacts to a new email provider and starts emailing again quite aggressively while ignoring the prior unsubscribes. This happens every few months which suggests the business is not sustainable over the long term with traditional email providers.

      That said, you can easily reverse engineer his business by opting into his funnel and taking careful notes of the landing pages, offers, etc. Then you'll see what he's really doing in his business.
      You got a very good point there Mr Perez !
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    • Profile picture of the author sidneyng
      Pretty much says a lot about the solo ads he sells.

      Thanks for saving me the money from buying his solo ads. Always had that at the back of my mind.
      I would think the churn and burn rate is pretty high for his list.

      No doubt he is milking it ;-)

      Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

      I personally don't like they way they do business in general. I've been trying to get off Igor's list for over a year. Every time I unsubscribe, he exports his old contacts to a new email provider and starts emailing again quite aggressively while ignoring the prior unsubscribes. This happens every few months which suggests the business is not sustainable over the long term with traditional email providers.

      That said, you can easily reverse engineer his business by opting into his funnel and taking careful notes of the landing pages, offers, etc. Then you'll see what he's really doing in his business.
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  • Profile picture of the author auseek
    Redbaron.. Richbeck hit the nail on the head.
    Online business.. or any business.. needs a solid foundation.
    What he mentioned.. is your foundation.
    Study that.. implement.. while testing.. tracking.. & tweaking..
    till you've got a winner !

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  • Profile picture of the author trustedmarketer
    Rich is 100% right. The whole process of getting into Igor's Secret club is absolutely unfair and the actual fee nearly gave me a heart attack.
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    • Profile picture of the author NickR06
      I don't know if these two teachers are directly responsible; but the quality of emails in the IM market has really fallen in the last couple of years.
      Very little actionable information. Selling unrelated products in every email, sometimes daily. They also make unsubscribing difficult! It's not a business model I would want to be involved with. Your offering no value to the customer.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by trustedmarketer View Post

      Rich is 100% right. The whole process of getting into Igor's Secret club is absolutely unfair and the actual fee nearly gave me a heart attack.
      Then his coaching isn't right for you.

      There isn't a single one of his students who isn't killing it right now, so that has to tell you something. Most of them are above $3k a month, some of them $5 - 15k and beyond (one i know is at $20k monthly).

      He's able to charge so much because his methods work, plain and simple.

      You can do this yourself, and I actually tried things solo for several months (list building) but I found it best to reach out for a teacher. That's just me though.

      I might say his fee is outrageous if none of his students have made their money back yet, but most make their money back within about 3 - 4 months. And if you think about it that's pretty damned nice for this "high fee" he charges.

      He can charge what he wants because his system works. Frank Kern charges what he wants and gets it as well, yet few question him when he asks for several grand in payment (Frank charges $10 - 20k per client btw).

      They're both millionaire marketers with a game plan that flat out WORKS.

      I just don't see the need to bash the programs simply based upon their costs.

      Let's say the fee is $3k (I'm not sure what his exact fee is)...if you make $3k a month within the first few months then grow it to $5k+ monthly how is that initial fee not worth the money?

      I get that most people don't have that kind of money, and that's fine.

      But when you want to work with him in particular he's going to charge what he deems his methods to be worth, and they've made him millions, so why on earth would he charge peanuts to share those methods?

      If a coaching program isn't worth it's cost I like to investigate to see what's up but from the digging I've done this dude has worked miracles for his clients.

      I would work with him myself if i hadn't already worked with those closest to him. Doing so would be redundant.

      But to answer those big questions lingering in the minds of those not sure if he's worth it...HE IS and if fits your situation I would save up the $$ to work with him.
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      • Profile picture of the author AlaskaBorg
        Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

        Then his coaching isn't right for you.

        There isn't a single one of his students who isn't killing it right now, so that has to tell you something. Most of them are above $3k a month, some of them $5 - 15k and beyond (one i know is at $20k monthly).

        He's able to charge so much because his methods work, plain and simple.

        You can do this yourself, and I actually tried things solo for several months (list building) but I found it best to reach out for a teacher. That's just me though.

        I might say his fee is outrageous if none of his students have made their money back yet, but most make their money back within about 3 - 4 months. And if you think about it that's pretty damned nice for this "high fee" he charges.

        He can charge what he wants because his system works. Frank Kern charges what he wants and gets it as well, yet few question him when he asks for several grand in payment (Frank charges $10 - 20k per client btw).

        They're both millionaire marketers with a game plan that flat out WORKS.

        I just don't see the need to bash the programs simply based upon their costs.

        Let's say the fee is $3k (I'm not sure what his exact fee is)...if you make $3k a month within the first few months then grow it to $5k+ monthly how is that initial fee not worth the money?

        I get that most people don't have that kind of money, and that's fine.

        But when you want to work with him in particular he's going to charge what he deems his methods to be worth, and they've made him millions, so why on earth would he charge peanuts to share those methods?

        If a coaching program isn't worth it's cost I like to investigate to see what's up but from the digging I've done this dude has worked miracles for his clients.

        I would work with him myself if i hadn't already worked with those closest to him. Doing so would be redundant.

        But to answer those big questions lingering in the minds of those not sure if he's worth it...HE IS and if fits your situation I would save up the $$ to work with him.
        It would be nice if Igor would simply respond and lay out his terms. I learned more than from him. I booked an appointment more than once and all I get from his assistant are cancelation notices:
        Hi Rick, Rhia here.

        Thank you for your application to Igor's Mentoring.

        I wanted to follow up and let you know that Igor has maxed
        out his capacity for conducting mentoring calls for the
        upcoming few weeks.

        We have put your name at the top of the waiting list to
        get in touch with when Igor's schedule allows to fit in
        more mentoring calls.

        Thank you for your time.

        Sincerely,
        Rhia Taylor
        Igor's Personal Assistant


        This is for Aug 27 this time. I think if I tried to schedule Thanksgiving he would send this.

        If you have the desire and have some questions, who do you ask?
        All of you that know the game didn't just wake up with the knowledge and as has been said here, there are lots of BS as well as winners. How does one who is a newbee know the difference?
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        • Profile picture of the author heavysm
          Originally Posted by AlaskaBorg View Post

          It would be nice if Igor would simply respond and lay out his terms. I learned more than from him. I booked an appointment more than once and all I get from his assistant are cancelation notices:
          Hi Rick, Rhia here.

          Thank you for your application to Igor's Mentoring.

          I wanted to follow up and let you know that Igor has maxed
          out his capacity for conducting mentoring calls for the
          upcoming few weeks.

          We have put your name at the top of the waiting list to
          get in touch with when Igor's schedule allows to fit in
          more mentoring calls.

          Thank you for your time.

          Sincerely,
          Rhia Taylor
          Igor's Personal Assistant


          This is for Aug 27 this time. I think if I tried to schedule Thanksgiving he would send this.

          If you have the desire and have some questions, who do you ask?
          All of you that know the game didn't just wake up with the knowledge and as has been said here, there are lots of BS as well as winners. How does one who is a newbee know the difference?
          As I understand it there have been a crap ton of applicants for his coaching so people often have to wait weeks if not longer to get in their call.

          BUT, that call only goes through if your application is accepted. I've known some people who were rejected a few times. Can't say what on the application triggered the rejection but some of these same rejections have reapplied later to become success stories.

          There are a few other coaches out there, some of whom are/were students of Igor, so you know what he teaches is legit (meaning that the program is greatly profitable).

          I'll PM you a possible alternative since you appear to be interested.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Ray
    I think he's definetely worth the money, from personal experience.
    I started about 4 months ago, and here's a screenshot of my income from about a week ago:
    http://i.imgur.com/TlF91WH.png
    That's just 1 week (my best so far)

    It's not a magic bullet and not a get rich quick scheme, but it flat out works. It may feel like you can "skip" paying a coach and do it by yourself, but I feel that chances for success drop drastically if you do. I don't see myself going through this journey of rising to the top without the support, instructions, strategies, tricks and knowledge that Igor shares in his Inner Circle.

    So... for me, yeah, totally worth it.
    A side note - I was able to use some of the knowledge I got in the IC + the motivation boost to open another side-business that grew to $1,100/month net profit. This coaching makes you a superstar not just in the solo biz, but in general. So it was EXTRA worth it!
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  • Profile picture of the author scorcher
    Is Igor worth the money?

    Hmmm.

    Let me think...

    Does he over deliver, provide up to the minute training in all fields of internet marketing, teach you the skills to build an evergreen money machine and introduce you to peers that go on to become friends and clients?

    Um, yeah!

    As with everything in this world, you get what you pay for.

    If you want some low cost, fast buck promoting charlatan who will be promoting something completely different next month, then don't speak to Igor.

    If you have a brain and want to build an asset, then speak to him
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  • Profile picture of the author cheerios2009
    Redbaron,

    As with anything in life, the way to become successful is to follow someone who has already proven to be successful. If you want to hit a home run you are going to accomplish this faster if you are trained by someone who is a professional and has proven to not only hit those home runs, but has also helped others do the same.

    Pretty much everyone knows how people hit a home run. You have a bat and you swing hard to hit the ball as far as you can. However, that does not mean you'll be able to read a book about the mechanics of hitting a home run and become a home run hitter.

    Igor does not need to prove himself regarding his abilities as a successful marketer. And he does not have to prove his success regarding his ability to help others become successful marketers.

    Every month there are people who are achieving success due to his coaching program.

    Solo ad marketing, list building and building a list by way of solo ads in another area of marketing that has already established itself.

    2 years ago I created a product. I read a PDF guide I purchased from the WSO area of this forum. It was actually quite good. I launched my WSO and it sold less than 23 copies in 3 months.

    Then I met Igor. After he began coaching me I earned my first $100,000 in less than 8 month from the product I created. And he gave me one strategy that helped me sell over 500 WSO copies, "before" I started to learn how to build a list outside of the Warriorforum.

    But what you will not fully comprehend here, about what you learn from Igor is that you are not simply learning how to build a list and become a solo ad marketer. It goes far beyond that.

    You know the saying, "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him how to fish and he feeds himself for a lifetime."

    Many coaches will simply "give" you the fish. And because of that people fail to grasp what they are doing and they fail to gain real experience. They fail to grow in how to strategically map out long term goals. They have no idea how to build their "brain" muscles so that they can stand on their own two feet.

    Redbaron, if you are serious about your success the answer is not going to come from someone who has no idea how to earn $5,000 or more a month.

    I can name off 20 people off the top of my head that I know are making that income all because of Igors coaching and there are over 55 now I think. But if YOU personally want to become a successful marketer, the person you should talk to is Igor himself.

    You must work hard. You must take the time to build your foundation and then wonderful things begin to happen. This is a predictable, reliable, scalable way to make money online.

    But it is only the beginning. Many students like me are now doing other things. Because of my connection with Igor, his coaching, his "balls to the wall" approach to marketing, I now have an offline/online app business that is 100% outsourced and I'm making 20% of the profits.

    In addition, because of the skills I've learned from his program, I am now helping my personal fitness trainer build her own online coaching program so that I can generate another autopilot income stream.

    You see... the "skills" I have learned, the training, the "mindset"... THAT is what will make or break your success. I stand on my own two feet and every student that works hard and progresses through each step can do the same.

    If you simply want to feed yourself for a day, this program is not for you. If you want to become successful online and progress to do "anything" your heart desires...

    Talk to Igor. Then if you qualify, within a few hours you'll know you made the right move.

    Wishing you the best Redbaron,
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  • Profile picture of the author nelio26
    How can you test and test if you have no clue what you are doing?

    You just going to blow all your money away and land up broke. The worst part is that you will still have no clue what to do to make it happen online.

    Like all other successful Internet marketers doing 6 or 7 Figures a year, you need to get coached by someone who knows his stuff and Igor is one of them from a very small list of teachers I recommend you seek help from if you wish to scale your business online.

    Regarding his price tag, I think his very reasonable for the results he helps you produce online and the knowledge you will have after implementing the training is priceless.

    You will never be left in the dark again and you'll have the power in your hands to scale it up everyday.

    All the best
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  • Profile picture of the author Igor Kheifets
    Thank you Rik, it's not something I'm super comfortable discussing in public.

    But I can tell you this, if the client makes a great impression on me, I'm excited to accommodate to their financial situation as much as I can.

    I've had plenty of clients in the past who were really struggling financially (and that's the reason they reached out to me in the first place) and I helped them as much as I could.

    One such case study is Igor & Elina Finkel:


    Igor has just lost his business income to the new Obama laws regarding health care. He also hurt his back working an Ambulance job as a paramedic.. so things were nasty financially...

    So I helped.

    And there you go...
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  • Profile picture of the author TonyAG
    Hiring a coach was probably my best life decision so far. The way I see it, you get what you pay for. Sure you can try learning everything by yourself, but it could take YEARS.

    Studies show that people who pay a lot of money for a course are a lot more likely to take action and do the work.

    I've actually fallen for a scam last year from He Who Shall Not Be Named in the Warrior Forum. The guy ran away with a lot of buyer money, and I still don't know why.

    Lesson learned, make sure the seller has a good reputation before buying.
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