Is DS Domination any good?? Confused?

If you are using Amazon Prime (which is for personal use) as a so-called "drop-shipping service," you are violating Amazon TOS, and you will get terminated. Here is the Amazon TOS link where it is all clearly laid-out: Amazon.com Help: Amazon Prime Terms & Conditions

In the "Limitations" section of TOS it specifically states:

"Prime members are not permitted to purchase products for the purpose of resale, rental, or to ship to their customers or potential customers using Prime benefits."

And under the "Termination by Us" section of TOS it states:

"...we will not give any refund for termination related to conduct that we determine, in our discretion, violates these Terms or any applicable law, involves fraud or misuse of the Prime membership, or is harmful to our interests or another user."

But if you don't believe me, have fun trying to make the system work, and keep looking over your shoulder as you wait for Amazon to lower the hammer.

For anyone wanting to use this method, you have been warned -- just don't be surprised when it happens. At least be informed and read it here for yourself before you do it:

Amazon.com Help: Amazon Prime Terms & Conditions

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Michael Ladd

25 yrs in ecommerce

Well done Justin, you nicely summed up the method in a nutshell.

Yep, looks like MLM to me...LOLOLOLOLOLOL! :rolleyes:

As usual ADE you are right on the ball. I wonder how all these MLM people are getting away with their blatant loading of the forum.

I thought it interesting to read the post by Justin Spencer:
"Go to amazon then download + upload images to eBay and advertise
a higher price for the item.
Do this 500 times per day or outsource it.
Get paid then buy/ship the product to the person
who did not go to amazon instead of eBay.
It works and it's cost effective."

500 times per day!!! is he serious? It is clearly more cost effective to spend your time posting your MLM links on forums. (Time is money.)

Deleted this post.

eBay does allow drop shipping and they have for a long time so has Amazon its not against either company however DS Domination teaches people how to source products from Amazon and resell them on eBay. Sure you can make a profit this way but the question is how much of a profit?

Example: Rocking horse that sells normally for $90 retail but is sourced from Amazon for $75 and sold for $90 on eBay would leave you with a $15 profit not counting eBay seller fees and PayPal fees.

Now lets take the same rocking horse that is sourced directly from the manufacturer for $45 and then sold on eBay for the same $90 leaves me making $45 profit not counting eBay seller fees and PayPal fees. Now your probably wondering how I came up with the $45 right. Well I took that from an actual manufacturer that I use that sells rocking horses. I get the product for $45 from the manufacturer and then I take $45 x 2 = $90 to come up with the retail price which is the formula used for most products on the market today.

Think about that for a moment who would want to make $15 when they can make $45? Personally I'd go for the $45 and get the product from the manufacturer than Amazon. Sure I might have to have an EIN number and a Resale Certificate before the manufacturer will sell to me but I'd rather take the time to obtain that paperwork to make a higher profit than a smaller one. For me anyone not wanting to take the time to get a Resale Certificate or a VAT number if their in the UK is just plain lazy and obviously doesn't care about their business enough.

No I'm not dogging DS Domination or anyone who is using the methods DS Domination teaches. I'm just merely making a point on the difference in profit margins when it comes to sourcing products via Amazon or going to the manufacturer

Hope that helps everyone

Nathan

I couldn't have said it better myself... You stole the words out of my mouth. Wonderful overview post

Wish you hadn't deleted your posts. Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean you are wrong -- or even right for that matter, but your comments did add to the discourse in this thread. Sorry to see you cop-out like that and just delete everything.

@cjshu99 -- thanks for the comment. However, you've misunderstood a few things that I said. Making a profit is not unethical -- I'm sure I didn't make that claim. However, making a profit by the method that DSD uses is unethical, for several reasons.

Before I address that, let's use your example of general retail sales (which is not what DSD is doing). In normal retail sales, you are correct...you can find prices that vary widely in many places. For example, you can buy a 20oz bottle of Pepsi at a convenient store for about 1.58 in my area. If you go to a 5-star hotel and you want to buy the same 20oz bottle of pepsi, you might pay 2.50 or more. Is that unethical -- yes it is. They can certainly do it -- but they won't get my business because it's a crappy business model. I don't do business with companies who take advantage of their customers.

Having said that, let's make sure we are comparing apples to apples. Drop-shipping is not a retail transaction (you don't source from a retail store to do drop-shipping); it's a relationship that is normally setup between a wholesale company or a manufacture and a seller. You have to setup an account with a company in order to have them drop-ship products for you. In some cases, you have to qualify or meet some criteria before they will allow you to setup a drop-ship relationship with them.

With the DSD method, there is no arrangement with Amazon. The people who are doing this are doing it without Amazon's permission and there is no relationship setup. Amazon is a retail company, not a wholesale company or a manufacturer.

Here's an idea. Let's have the DSD sellers purchase their item from Amazon, have it shipped to their house, then list it on Ebay. Then, when someone wins the auction, the DSD seller can ship it to winner. Would anyone who is currently using DSD actually do this? No they would not. Why? Because then they would be assuming the risk for the transaction and the risk is too high. The reason it is too risky is because they are trying to sell a retail product at a higher-than-retail price. It's risky enough to sell a wholesale priced item at retail prices.

The only reason a 5-star hotel can charge 2.50 for a 20oz bottle of Pepsi is because most of their revenue comes from something other than Pepsi sales and they have a captive audience who might be too lazy to walk to the nearest convenient store. In other words, they have a specific market that they can tap and they don't care if that market buys the Pepsi or not. If a small business tries to use this tactic as a primary business model -- they will quickly learn that it is a bad idea.

What DSD sellers are doing is not drop-shipping. They are taking advantage of a system that was not intended to be used for what they are doing. You can rationalize it any way you want. But, the bottom-line is that it is not a sustainable business model. Eventually, people are going to figure out that they are being taken advantage of. Eventually, Amazon and Ebay are going to see what is going on and put a stop to it. And the end result is that all of the legitimate businesses that use Amazon and Ebay are going to be hit with a bunch of new rules and regulations and face additional scrutiny (and possibly lose revenue). That's what happens when large companies realize that people are misusing their assets.

My goal here isn't to bash DSD or to criticize anyone. My goal is to get people to think about things correctly and understand potential consequences. The critical point is that it is safer, easier, and more profitable to setup a legitimate online business. Why not just do it right?

Can I network with you you sound so smart in this business. I want to get in ecommerce and drop shipping

You replied to my DS domination post thank so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like to sell on other sites beside ebay.

So DS Domination is a scam?/

I don't want waste my time.

Michael Ladd
my skype ID is mladd1361

So of the 19 training videos, you really learned next to nothing?

thing I see is, after watching all 19 videos, what is the reason to continue to pay for it.

Robo916,

Congrats you have it all figured out and I do mean that with lots of sarcasm. You comply missed the boat my friend but that's not your fault its DS Domination that is to blame as they are filling your heads with a load of bull.

You totally are just not understanding what people are talking about here. And you clearly don't understand what I said about disclosure. So lets see if I can simplify better.

When it comes to disclosure you are required to put short statement saying that the product is being drop shipped from the company your getting the products from in this case it's Amazon. You are only required to do that if you are not carrying the product on hand. Now if you buy a product and decide to sell it on eBay at some future point after you received the item then no You Do Not Have To Put that in your description. It only applies to items that are being drop shipped from a 3rd party other than yourself. In this case Amazon.

Again the law only requires it if you are not physically stocking and shipping the product yourself. If you stock the product and ship them yourself or you stock the product and use a 3rd party warehouse then you are exempt from that requirement.

Example - I buy $10,000 worth of children's rockers from the manufacturer at XYZ Company and I use a 3rd party fulfillment service like Amazon Fulfillment and then whenever I make a sale Amazon ships the product for me. In this case since I paid for the product upfront and Amazon is shipping the product for me Amazon acts as my warehouse and therefore I'm still shipping the product myself. Therefore I am no longer required to tell my customers that the product is drop shipped.

Now if I don't buy the product upfront from XYZ Company and I pay for the product before the item is shipped to my customer and XYZ Company ships the product directly to my customer then I am now required to let me customers know this fact because it is illegal to allow my customers to think that I'm carrying and shipping the product myself.

I can say that back when I started there was no law that required me to tell my customers that the product was being drop shipped. However with the increase of fraud that has occurred in the last 5 to 10 years there has been laws that have been put into place to keep the fraud down. It does suck that we are now required to do that but that's what happens when a few bad apples fall from the tree. They spoil it for those of us who are trying to run an honest business. In this case DS Domination will eventually cause Amazon and eBay to tighten their reigns on sellers making it harder for us honest folk to make a living from home selling on Amazon and eBay.

I'm hoping that I was capable of making it a little more easy for you to understand. But its your choice how you want to run your business.

Nathan

You've got quite the debating skills there lol

The truth is DSD is nothing more than an amateur operation with a shiny sales process. There will be very few people who will be able to turn their DSD activities into a business that lasts more than a couple of years. It won't be a REAL business. It won't be one you'll be able to sell if you decide to exit the business.

You're glossing over many of the facts in this thread. My guess is that you're doing this to justify your own support bias/purchase bias because you've decided to buy into DSD and unfortunately recommended others do the same.

Come back when you've got some legitimate arguments and are able to articulate them like in manner that resembles professionalism. Otherwise, you simply sound, look and act as though you're trying to blow smoke up everyone's... you know... with arguments that are weak at best just to make yourself feel better about some nonsense program you've bought into.

Watch out for what these blogs say, 99% of them are false specially the ones that say "DS Scam alert".

If you read through that blog post, hes selling you something. He is selling a drop shipping service LOL.

His post is like this:

"DS Domination is a scam and don't pay thep, but buy my drop shipping service instead because it's better"

I have been selling on eBay for 10 years now and always used drop shipping, when I joined DS Domination, it opened my eyes to all of the possibilities. Instead of just specializing on something, I can now sell things I didn't even think about.

The problem with most DS Domination affiliates is they actually don't do the eBay side of things and talk out of their ass.

I decided to make own legit review on DS Domination. I am getting tired of these internet marketers that claim they make a 6 figure income, but never sold an item on eBay LOL.

==> Read My Full Review Here.

Anyone here ??