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Rent-a-serp sounds great... but...

by TimothyW
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I now see it's from the same "angel" who brought us Video Vantage.
So, now what?

Any thoughts on this new plug in?
Should we risk getting it, knowing who's behind it?

-- TW
#great #rentaserp #sounds
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  • Profile picture of the author BillX
    Was promoted via Steve Hawkins list, who is a trustworthy dude in my experience.
    Looks great....? does it? anyone know any reason why this is a stupid idea?

    How does the bulk email thing work? Can you import contacts via CSV from other scrapers?
    Do you get all that is shown without upsell? and how much is it? Guarantee?

    too many questions.
    also
    Anyone know what a 'technicul difficulty' is?
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    • Profile picture of the author Simon Weaver
      Might be best to check out his last launch before you rush in!

      Suffice to say, I will NOT be recommending it to my list.
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      • Profile picture of the author thecableguy
        Sounds great in theory, but ranking an iframe AND expecting it to retain it's ranking in the SERP's? JMO but wouldn't it be easier to rank an actual page and sell ad space instead? Even though that means having to insert/delete the ad manually.
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  • Profile picture of the author geotargeted
    The demo is butt ugly and he is using shady tricks. Like a hidden link to the next page in the silo.

    I have learned the hard way that you are much better off not doing shady things like this.

    Oh and the site is butt ugly.
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  • Profile picture of the author BillX
    IF it's a good product then it will stand the test of time.

    IF this works and holds position in SERPs then I am interested. But where is the proof please? anyone?
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    • Profile picture of the author joe0074
      I don't believe we can rank the site on 1st page of Google with no content
      Nobody can fool Google these days.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    A lot of people are or were promoting it, it looks interesting on its face, but some lingering questions remain, let the lawyers sort it out then see what happens.

    This is a great lesson in WSO launches, there have been a couple of real Wiz bang, pooch smooches, in the last week.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyW
    The demo video says, "but google doesn't know that..." ( the deception being used in this case).
    How about just ranking a site that has a twilio phone number, then sell a offline company for making the phone number ring-to number, be their biz number?

    I wonder what the price will be?

    -- TW

    PS: I think the 'technicul difficulty' is meant to be a joke -- like, "no wonder we're having problems - we can't even SPELL technical!"
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    • Profile picture of the author joe0074
      I'm wondering who owns this plugin originally. Do they use this plugin successfully to rank local business website and rent it out to local business owners ?

      Thanks,
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      • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
        Originally Posted by joe0074 View Post

        I'm wondering who owns this plugin originally. Do they use this plugin successfully to rank local business website and rent it out to local business owners ?

        Thanks,
        Yes SEMEASY is ranking like a mofo and so am I with lots of stuff.... There is a lot more that this plugin can do than what is currently being done...... My two cents
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        • Profile picture of the author joe0074
          OK. This is the latest email from David Zander.

          Quote :

          Alright so if you haven't noticed yet.. Things have been a little weird with Rent-A-Serp

          We said it was releasing and.. Well it never happened

          This is because another part filed a DMCA claiming we stole their code and
          in turn we were stealing their copyrighted plugin.

          I want to reassure all of you this is 100% false and have had the code examined
          by many experts such as Andrew Fletcher (Owner of Digiresults) and the same
          verdict keeps coming back.

          Our code is 100% unique with the only similarity being a jQuery countdown timer
          that is open source and used by over 1,000,000 other softwares

          On top of that we've had our lawyers do extensive patent & copyright research..
          We've come up in the clear there as well

          So with all that being said.. Rent-A-Serp will be going live soon

          Right now I cannot give an exact date but I'll do my best to get it into your hands
          as soon as possible as I know A LOT of you were really looking forward to it.

          I'm sorry for the delay this is a nightmare for all of us involved and hopefully
          we can get this resolved with the other party as quick as possible

          Thanks for being so understanding.

          Sincerely,
          Devin Zander
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          • Profile picture of the author joe0074
            The new launch date is June 13th at 11.00 am Est.
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        • Profile picture of the author bizwebman
          Originally Posted by BestSEO View Post

          Yes SEMEASY is ranking like a mofo and so am I with lots of stuff.... There is a lot more that this plugin can do than what is currently being done...... My two cents
          Maybe we should be looking at getting more info about this plugin as an alternative and the original.
          Anyone more info and possible review?

          I would rather buy from a more reputable business than one with a tainted past.
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          • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
            Originally Posted by bizwebman View Post

            Maybe we should be looking at getting more info about this plugin as an alternative and the original.
            Anyone more info and possible review?

            I would rather buy from a more reputable business than one with a tainted past.

            SEMeasy has DOUBLE AGENT and I know that an updated version with massive amount of new features is coming out really really soon....
            Bottom line is this is who I would suggest you get with.... SEMeasy have a great reputation and they will teach you in their mastermind stuff the other ways to correctly make money....
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  • Profile picture of the author madison75074
    Lots of Big names promoting this just like the Video Vantage product. It would be interesting to hear their thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyW
    Sounds like the product is toxic + radio active.

    I went to the demo site -- does not have the price or a way to order it...
    but, it IS good to know that Mary Aiken of Boston MA knows latin!!

    -- TW

    PS: What did the JV sales copy say? "Hey guys, we made out like bandits with Video Vantage, remember? Well, we have laid low for several months for the heat to blow over.
    Now we're jumping back in out of the shadows for a limited time - we've got another winner here for ya! We've got the hype machine all fired up - If you wanna rip off the IM community again, and make mucho bux again, be my affiliate and I'll hook you up with my latest scam!..."
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  • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
    Well A little birdie told me that there is a license agreement that will allow this launch to go off....

    I need to give you my opinion. The software is bad to the bone for several reasons. It works great and I have a copy that is licensed to me. It was originally from another WSO that the warrior sold the IP to another company and they made the plugin really bad to the bone. Now these guys got it somehow and I do not know how.

    I know this, if you want a killer plugin--- if it is the same one I have, you should get it! I have been told it is the same one I have so that is how I am basing my opinion....

    If you want to learn SEO and SEM and IM and AFFILIATE MARKETING and PPC then get this and make money with it like I do....

    Just my two cents and I hope that the affiliates and marketers are really happy! I heard that the people involved in this matter are really excited many will get to make a lot more $$$$$$$$$$$$$
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  • Profile picture of the author Mountainmotorman
    This launch is going to go off and a lot of people are going to be very happy with a great product. I can tell you this is a good deal and with all the training they are offering it will make earning money a snap now!!!!

    I have not been this excited for a long time!

    PS--- Spoke to someone that said the legal issues are being cleaned up today and that is all that really matters.....
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    Hi Everyone.

    I am just curious does anyone know how this plugin will work on mobile devices?

    Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
    I got pointed to this thread because someone posted up the email using my name so wanted to take a moment to explain what I have and haven't done.

    On Monday I was asked to compare the source of the Rent-A-Serp plugin with that of SEMEasy's Double-Agent plugin after SEMEasy filed a Cease and Desist letter claiming Rent-A-Serp had used their code.

    As the email says. I couldn't find a single thing to suggest that they had copied the code. The only similarity was the use of the same open source countdown script, which I also happen to use in a bunch of my code along with probably a million other developers. Everything else, even down to the data format in the database (RaS uses firstname/lastname and SEMEasy uses name) was different. RaS has taken a functional approach to the code and SEMEasy an object oriented one. RaS has silo'd their CSS files and SEMEasy included them inline.

    For anyone who doesn't know who I am. I've worked in the software industry for over a decade, run multiple software companies of my own and have a first class masters degree with honours in Computer Science from the university of Bristol. That is to say, I'm more than qualified to compare a few plugin files for similarities

    With that said, what I haven't done is run the plugin. I haven't installed it on a website of my own. I haven't ranked pages and sold them with it. I haven't even run the thing in my local development environment.

    So this shouldn't be taken in anyway as an endorsement for or against the product other than to say I can find absolutely no evidence that Rent-A-Serp infringes SEMEasy's intellectual property.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimothyW
      So... what you're saying is, the situation could very well be that the older one does work, and the new one does not work.

      Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher View Post

      I got pointed to this thread because someone posted up the email using my name so wanted to take a moment to explain what I have and haven't done.

      On Monday I was asked to compare the source of the Rent-A-Serp plugin with that of SEMEasy's Double-Agent plugin after SEMEasy filed a Cease and Desist letter claiming Rent-A-Serp had used their code.

      As the email says. I couldn't find a single thing to suggest that they had copied the code. The only similarity was the use of the same open source countdown script, which I also happen to use in a bunch of my code along with probably a million other developers. Everything else, even down to the data format in the database (RaS uses firstname/lastname and SEMEasy uses name) was different. RaS has taken a functional approach to the code and SEMEasy an object oriented one. RaS has silo'd their CSS files and SEMEasy included them inline.

      For anyone who doesn't know who I am. I've worked in the software industry for over a decade, run multiple software companies of my own and have a first class masters degree with honours in Computer Science from the university of Bristol. That is to say, I'm more than qualified to compare a few plugin files for similarities

      With that said, what I haven't done is run the plugin. I haven't installed it on a website of my own. I haven't ranked pages and sold them with it. I haven't even run the thing in my local development environment.

      So this shouldn't be taken in anyway as an endorsement for or against the product other than to say I can find absolutely no evidence that Rent-A-Serp infringes SEMEasy's intellectual property.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Curran Smith
    I don't see a long money back guarantee on the sales page, just glanced over it. It's a good idea, but I don't trust an iframe for the long haul. That being said you could probably bank in the short term. It's a great lead gen idea. As far as ranking easily, no cold calling, no selling...BS. Apologies to the product creators, but that is just marketing hype, always has been always will be.

    So, for short term cash (until Google sniffs out the iframes) could be a good money maker.
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  • Profile picture of the author Imaveryluckyman
    I'm not buying. If I would have gotten a refund from Video Vantage I would reconsider. But Devin Zander never responds to email, support or anything and I highly doubt they would on this product either.

    Once bitten twice shy as they say. Why not just rank a regular page or site and do the same thing?
    There are issues with Bulk email anyway.

    STAY AWAY from Rent a SERP. I would and I am.
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      • Profile picture of the author zerofill
        The debate on this thing in many comments etc... and the fact that core conversion came up... I might as well throw my 2 cents in.

        Here is the deal... I created WP Core Conversion. That plugin was a huge success. I have people to this day still trying to get copies of it from me. I think I marketed it 4 or 5 years ago.

        SemEasy inc., bought complete ownership of the product from me. They revamped it, did massive work on it, and made it 300% better.

        No one even thought about doing what I was doing at the time. Banking with CPA, other affiliate products, etc... with it. Yeah, I have done this stuff for years, and I just don't throw myself out there and dance around in videos like and idiot or whatever, to promote things.

        People that have purchased from me for years, or are on my list, etc... know how I am. I like sitting in my cave and don't care about being the IM Rock Star.

        Anyway, like just about anything I ever created, of course people tried to clone it. People tried to make knock offs of that, they tried to make knock offs of LPN, they tried to make knock offs of other plugins, and software I created, or created with other people. (There aren't many people in the IM space that seem to be able to come up with anything new.)

        Like I said, SemEasy bought the rights to it... they had a vision, and they reached their goals with it. What they did was completely thinking outside the box. Which we see almost none of today.

        If you have seen both the SemEasy plugin and the Rent A Serp plugin, yeah R-A-S is a knock off. That is pretty obvious, and no one can argue that. Hell some of the CSS was the same when I originally saw it.

        Like I said, almost everything is a knock off these days. Especially from some of the bigger list holders. They market what other people make. They stamp their names on it along side the creator... The creator wasn't known enough to make a successful launch themselves. They split the money. The world keeps turning...

        Now is Rent A Serp a good knock off? I don't know, never used it. The theme looks like it will save some time. But you will still have to go out there and make site after site to make it work for you. Nothing is as simple as go to sleep, wake up and cash checks. Not yet anyway...

        On a side note.... It isn't cloaking in reality. If you understand the technology. Basically it is a lightbox, that shows an iframe in it, when you boil it down to it's basic components. The real site is still there.

        Like any other tool, if you know what to do with it, you will have success.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyW
    Oh man -- the way this is being PUSHED, either it's gonna be a big hit, or a total, WIDESPREAD, reputation-melting DISASTER!

    If this thing turns out to be a giant FAIL (like video vantage), a LOT of "trusted" guru-affiliates are gonna look like TOTAL MORONS -- and/or CON ARTISTS!

    At this point, could go either way. Stay tuned!

    -- TW
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      Aren't all the "gurus" con artists, and we are the morons who keep on buying their crap.
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        Aren't all the "gurus" con artists, and we are the morons who keep on buying their crap.
        Short answer --> NO
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeff Gibson
          I stumbled upon this thread and the title "rent-a-serp" caught my attention. I went to the "rent-a-serp" official page and watched the video. At first it seems like a unique and great way to get new off-line clients but according to the video, you have to rank your own site and then over-lay a local businesses website over the site you ranked on the 1st page of Google.

          As someone who has done local SEO for several years, why would I rank my own website for a local keyword and then over-lay another website over mine, giving the impression to a potential client that his/her site will be ranked on the 1st page of Google? In the video it still shows the original site's domain in the search bar and not the over-laid "client's site" site, so when the new client goes and types in Google the keyword that he/she thinks their site just ranked for, they won't be seeing their site. So they will be emailing, texting, or calling you and asking why they are paying you a monthly fee and they can't find their site on the 1st page of Google. The only response you can give is:
          Sorry so and so, your site isn't actually ranking on the 1st page of Google, it is an allusion. You see, my site is ranked on Google's first page and I used a little trick to make it appear that your site is on the first page. Someone actually has to click on my site's link before your site will appear.
          I don't mean to sound jerky, but when a small business starts paying you a monthly fee to get their site on Google's first page, they will be checking their rankings on a daily basis and if they don't see it ranking, they will drop you quickly and at worst they will drive you up the wall calling, emailing, and texting you.

          Since I would have to rank my own site to get this whole thing to work anyway, why not just rank a site that is niche specific and sell the leads, or rent the site and forward emails and phone calls to a client? I do like the hands off feature of the plugin and I think I could find a different use for it, but giving the impression to a potential client that you will rank their site on Google's first page and charging a monthly fee for it will quickly get you some pee'd off clients. Just my 2 cents worth.
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          • Profile picture of the author Keith Price
            Originally Posted by Jeff Gibson View Post

            So they will be emailing, texting, or calling you and asking why they are paying you a monthly fee and they can't find their site on the 1st page of Google.
            Seems to me it's just a matter of setting proper expectations. Just don't tell them you're raking their site. Tell them you're SHOWING their site on YOUR ranked site. Essentially, you're renting them your rankings.

            Seems pretty straightforward to me.

            As for the address bar, I doubt any plumber is going to be annoyed that it says, "bestmiamiplumber.com" in the address bar while showing their website.
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            • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
              The problem this poses is that rankings WILL change for your ranked site when you start iframing in weaker sites.

              Additionally I know that Google will also replace the domain in the SERP to display the iframed site, learned that through several experiences.

              Originally Posted by Keith Price View Post

              Seems to me it's just a matter of setting proper expectations. Just don't tell them you're raking their site. Tell them you're SHOWING their site on YOUR ranked site. Essentially, you're renting them your rankings.

              Seems pretty straightforward to me.

              As for the address bar, I doubt any plumber is going to be annoyed that it says, "bestmiamiplumber.com" in the address bar while showing their website.
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          • Profile picture of the author scdayton
            Originally Posted by Jeff Gibson View Post

            I don't mean to sound jerky, but when a small business starts paying you a monthly fee to get their site on Google's first page, they will be checking their rankings on a daily basis and if they don't see it ranking, they will drop you quickly and at worst they will drive you up the wall calling, emailing, and texting you.
            Hey Jeff,

            I guess I'm not reading the sales page the same as you as I don't see them recommending that you tell the potential client that you'll be ranking thier site. I think the name of the product (rent a SERP) itself is implying that you're renting your own listing in the SERP's to anyone willing to pay for that spot.

            I do agree with your main point though when you said "Since I would have to rank my own site to get this whole thing to work anyway, why not just rank a site that is niche specific and sell the leads, or rent the site and forward emails and phone calls to a client?". But the plug-ins purpose and sales page seem pretty clear to me and not deceptive, just a different model.

            -Stephen
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              • Profile picture of the author Keith Price
                That seems like a ridiculously EASY thing to do. Just change the phone number? I don't know why you'd need a plugin for that.

                Originally Posted by bizila View Post

                Does anyone know whether either the plugin sold as part of this, or another plugin, has the same kind of built-in automation but doesn't necessarily frame the existing site over the rented page but instead allows the purchaser to insert their own telephone number (and maybe autoresponder info) into the rented page, and then carry on billing automatically ?

                Maybe as an option for the client to select?
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            • Profile picture of the author Jeff Gibson
              Stephen,

              You are right that the sales page doesn't imply that you are ranking the clients site. It seems people are having issues with the plugin and customer services so I still believe it is best just to rank a niche specific site, rank it to stick on the 1st page, and rent out the site or leads. I went to the demo site just like I was a potential client and it is very confusing on what you would get and I new before visiting the site what the deal is so I would imagine how confusing it would be to someone that sees the site for the first time.

              Originally Posted by scdayton View Post

              Hey Jeff,

              I guess I'm not reading the sales page the same as you as I don't see them recommending that you tell the potential client that you'll be ranking thier site. I think the name of the product (rent a SERP) itself is implying that you're renting your own listing in the SERP's to anyone willing to pay for that spot.

              I do agree with your main point though when you said "Since I would have to rank my own site to get this whole thing to work anyway, why not just rank a site that is niche specific and sell the leads, or rent the site and forward emails and phone calls to a client?". But the plug-ins purpose and sales page seem pretty clear to me and not deceptive, just a different model.

              -Stephen
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                  Originally Posted by MikeShaw View Post

                  Has anyone actually tried it?

                  Or is just a case of everyone ganging up on them because of a previous failure?
                  Oh boo hoo; everyone is "ganging up on them because of a previous failure". Poor babies. They got "ganged up on", because they tried so hard, but failed.

                  Except that is utter BS; they didn't try and fail. They tried and succeeded in bilking a lot of hopeful buyers out of their money, who bought a line of crap, thanks to greedy, unscrupulous list owners who endorsed them for a quick commission, with lies about what the previous product could do, and then weaseled out of making good on the money back guarantee, in as many cases as possible.

                  If someone sells garbage as the next best thing, and then fails to honor their guarantee, they don't deserve a second chance, although clearly they get it from credulous Warriors anyway.

                  Read the thread on Video Vantage; you obviously haven't done so yet, or if you did, are in complete denial about what you read. They burned a whole lot of people intentionally, with outright lies. That is more than a "previous failure"; it is the signature of a scam artist. Not many Warriors who know the history are going to have a lot of sympathy, nor should they.
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                    • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
                      Originally Posted by winston View Post

                      As a senior member I hate that the other senior members have been promoting this. Most have a history of great offers, but lately I'm questing their intent now to promote anything. I will not and refuse to promoted anything unless I can prove it works.
                      And who made you the deciding factor of what is good and what works and what does not? How do you know what there intent is? Maybe it was simply to push a product and make money and who gives a rats ass if it worked or put a pop up that said YOUR BURNT SUCKER!

                      look, we can argue and fight and disagree..... Or we can simply give our opinion of THIS SOFTWARE that we are reviewing....

                      NOT AN OPINION OF IT UNLESS you own it.... Not what you think it will do but what you have found IT DID because you used it..... THIS IS A REAL REVIEW and not the BS that people are posting here....

                      This is why I left WF for a LONG time. Most people just want to be keyboard tough guys and have their opinion read so they can act like they are the smart one! So they can tell others they have this wonderfully HIGH POST COUNT.....

                      I am so done with BS ---wash woman crap!
                      Please post a review if you used the software. Then it will make a difference to those looking to buy it or pass on it.... YOUR PERSONAL BELIEF without using it is NOT a review..... The past of the seller is NOT a review of the software this time. It is simply telling people this guy did something in the past that YOU personally did not like. Maybe it is true the Video Vantage--- Okay it is true---- was crap from the gate.... But never say because one thing sucked it all sucks.... That is simply never the case.......

                      Go back to your regularly scheduled programming now my rant is over....... I am leaving WF for the same reasons yet again.
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                      • Profile picture of the author James Campbell
                        Originally Posted by BestSEO View Post

                        keyboard tough guys
                        lol says the "keyboard tough guy"

                        Pointless rant with a poor attitude. Good luck with that buddy.
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                        • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
                          Originally Posted by James Campbell View Post

                          lol says the "keyboard tough guy"

                          Pointless rant with a poor attitude. Good luck with that buddy.
                          Really the rant was pointless? I think it had a bunch of points and that each and every paragraph was SPOT ON!

                          My attitude is poor and I admit that. What is the reason??? I just cannot seem to fix stupid and without that ability I am annoyed!

                          I am hoping for a little more luck. If you feel like passing some of that along I would be grateful!


                          PS--- If you are going to stand up for a friend, please say that and do not pull part of a post..... Standing up for a friend is okay!! It really is..... LOL
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                          • Profile picture of the author James Campbell
                            Originally Posted by BestSEO View Post

                            Really the rant was pointless? I think it had a bunch of points and that each and every paragraph was SPOT ON!

                            My attitude is poor and I admit that. What is the reason??? I just cannot seem to fix stupid and without that ability I am annoyed!

                            I am hoping for a little more luck. If you feel like passing some of that along I would be grateful!


                            PS--- If you are going to stand up for a friend, please say that and do not pull part of a post..... Standing up for a friend is okay!! It really is..... LOL
                            Not standing up for anyone, just pointing out the irony of you talking about keyboard tough guys while acting like a keyboard tough guy.

                            It is pretty entertaining to me. Just calm down a bit brother, you'll feel better. None of these glorified spam tools are worth getting so worked up about. It isn't mentally productive and will keep you distracted from focusing on your business.

                            Or if you want, you can continue posting the way you are and keep me entertained for a bit longer.
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                    • Profile picture of the author winston
                      BestSeo Look how long I have been a member and see my post count. I don't give a crap about post count. I don't post often. I have years of experience and very rarely come here. Sorry for your loss and that I didn't comfort you .
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                      • Profile picture of the author winston
                        BestSEO, When they don't honor refunds for previous or future wso's thats the deciding factor. And I did buy the Video Vantage WSO.
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                        • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
                          Originally Posted by winston View Post

                          BestSEO, When they don't honor refunds for previous or future wso's thats the deciding factor. And I did buy the Video Vantage WSO.

                          PREVIOUS is the keyword. How do you know what the FUTURE ones are? Please tell me your crystal ball told you? Or the magic eight ball...... This is not the Video vantage thread. They were destroyed in that thread with good cause. Do not mix apples and tomatoes please. Because they are both red does not make them the same.....

                          PS--- I get nothing from these guys. I have NO interest in them making or not making a dime....
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                      • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
                        Originally Posted by winston View Post

                        BestSeo Look how long I have been a member and see my post count. I don't give a crap about post count. I don't post often. I have years of experience and very rarely come here. Sorry for your loss and that I didn't comfort you .

                        Your post count is low. Your ability to read the rules of this forum are in question since you have a 9 year old date on your avatar.....
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                      • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
                        Originally Posted by jb007uk View Post

                        Hi,

                        I purchased the software on the 14th June an after having purchased the product I emailed the support asking a technical question and up until the time of writing have not received a reply. I have however received a number of emails regarding problems with one of the other products they are selling.

                        So upon placing this theme and plugin on one of my websites, whereby my main keyword has been sitting at position 16 for at least a year, after a day it started going own the page and after switching my site back to my original theme it is today on page 3. I am hoping that it will get back to where it was before I put the theme on it.

                        I mailed the company yesterday the 17th and asked for a refund and again today, but nothing. Reading some of the comments I shall not hold my breath on getting a refund.

                        So, here is actually another guy who has tried this software and I hope this feedback helps those considering buying this product. Finally, I agree with an earlier comment regarding the experienced marketeers promoting junk. I only purchased this product because of the recommendation from Source Wave in the States - I will not be listening to his recommendations again, it goes with out saying lol.

                        Thanks for your review! Seems real and worthy of belief. But I must say that one day or two days on a site does not seem like a fair shake??? But it could be I guess.....

                        Just need to ask if you think that the "Google Dance" for the change was not going into effect.... I have seen that a million times. Maybe you were going backwards to go UP in the SERPs. Just a thought and not gonna say that is the reason or anything else. Just my personal findings with the same or very similar situation is all I am suggesting. It happens like this ALL the time to millions of sites...
                        Hope you also put a url short link in so that your not getting a ton of backlinks on your main site. If you did not I would suggest that it be put in right away.
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              • Profile picture of the author scdayton
                Originally Posted by Jeff Gibson View Post

                Stephen,

                You are right that the sales page doesn't imply that you are ranking the clients site. It seems people are having issues with the plugin and customer services so I still believe it is best just to rank a niche specific site, rank it to stick on the 1st page, and rent out the site or leads. I went to the demo site just like I was a potential client and it is very confusing on what you would get and I new before visiting the site what the deal is so I would imagine how confusing it would be to someone that sees the site for the first time.
                Agreed Jeff, it's a no buy for me! :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    Lol. What a gimmicky piece of crap. Could you imagine ANY business actually paying $100 not really knowing what is going to take place after they buy or what they are buying exactly? And an "overlay". Come on...these sites won't rank at all (maybe for some VERY LONG tail keywords at best).

    Really, the sellers/affiliates pushing this one should be ashamed of themselves.
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    • Profile picture of the author KenS
      Bingo.

      The average person, especially the average businessman doesn't buy blind like that. Most of them wont even understand what they are buying in the first place.

      Beyond that, Big G is likely to call down the Ban Hammer of the Gods on you for trying to cloak your link. Best not trifle with that unless you like getting your domains sandboxed.

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      • Profile picture of the author zerofill
        Well... technically they lay it out in a way of baiting and switching the web crawlers. The reason they have trouble doing anything with this technology is, because they would need to do a manual review.

        Some examples of cloaking include:
        • Serving a page of HTML text to search engines, while showing a page of images or Flash to users
        • Inserting text or keywords into a page only when the User-agent requesting the page is a search engine, not a human visitor
        If your site uses technologies that search engines have difficulty accessing, like JavaScript, images, or Flash, see our recommendations for making that content accessible to search engines and users without cloaking.
        But then again... there is a misconception about ranking a money site, versus creating traffic funnels.

        When I talked about the original Core Conversion plugin, I was doing, and am still doing something way different...

        I could care less if Google penalizes or de-indexes sites. They couldn't stop me...

        But I am not going to get into that here. There are too many marketers that can't come up with their own ideas. They like to cheat there way to creating a new $17 product, rather then test,test,test,test,test,test, tweak... make product... market product.

        Tired of giving away info to those people lol...

        I wouldn't ever say, that if Google did a manual review, they wouldn't do something. But Google doesn't have that much manpower, that they can do much. I have been doing this stuff, and testing things long enough to know that. The problem is people focus more on what could happen, rather then seeing what happens. Which is fine... less competition.

        That renting a page model, is only one model for this type of technology... A model I don't even use.

        I am close to launching a couple different products. So that is why I won't say a lot on the subject. After that happens, I will talk away...
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            • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
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              At least if you do a site search for the plastic surgery site they mentioned in the demo video, google's cached version of those pages actually display the iframe content as well (the meta description visible in the search is something entirely different though).
              The meta description can be controlled with just a little more effort when using an iframe along with keywords as well.
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        • Profile picture of the author scdayton
          Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

          That renting a page model, is only one model for this type of technology... A model I don't even use.

          I am close to launching a couple different products. So that is why I won't say a lot on the subject. After that happens, I will talk away...
          Hey Donald, can you give any hints as to the timeline of your product releases and what problem it/they solve? Are they in the offline client market?

          Thanks,

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          • Profile picture of the author winston
            I've been watching and hate to see the guru's making questionable recommendations. I usually don't say much but after being a video vantage customer who couldn't get a refund. I questioned this one as well. It doesn't explain the fact the you better know how to do seo under the current rules as it appears to be based on this. If you don't know how your screwed again. just my .02 cents.
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            • Profile picture of the author winston
              By the why I like the concept and I'm doing my own business model now. I just don't see this model working.
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          • Profile picture of the author zerofill
            Originally Posted by scdayton View Post

            Hey Donald, can you give any hints as to the timeline of your product releases and what problem it/they solve? Are they in the offline client market?

            Thanks,

            Stephen
            Ahh can't really self promote in threads... especially in a thread about a specific product review. I wasn't trying to self promote. I was just stating opinions, facts, etc... just in general. But if you want to, you can PM me. Sometimes it may take me a day or 2 to get back to you.
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    No bad words yet spoken in anger from people who have actually bought. Lots from people who haven't.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    I would be interested to see how many people reach the top in google in hours or days or weeks, probably 98 percent will never see one bump. The problem with (secret methods of pulling the wool over google is that Google is not stupid, never have been. Its simply a numbers game, you play the game and you might see a little something extra but it will not last. Most serious SEO minded companies know this and so avoid these little tricks and drama laden sales copy.

    Obviously honesty is not the best policy for everyone...
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    • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
      Originally Posted by Tim Franklin View Post

      I would be interested to see how many people reach the top in google in hours or days or weeks, probably 98 percent will never see one bump. The problem with (secret methods of pulling the wool over google is that Google is not stupid, never have been. Its simply a numbers game, you play the game and you might see a little something extra but it will not last. Most serious SEO minded companies know this and so avoid these little tricks and drama laden sales copy.

      Obviously honesty is not the best policy for everyone...
      I love how you think this is "pulling the wool" over Google or anyone else's eyes....

      If you really understood SEO then you would get the fact that, IT IS ALL A GAME and the one who commits the least fouls actually gets on top of the heap.

      Then new tricks and methods come out. They are used by the number 2 and lower guys. They work and now they are the least fouls and most wanted site!

      The entire game here is use what is working today. Because it works well today does not mean in six months it will work. It also does not mean it will stop working....

      When you build a site for yourself, it is always just a matter of time till it gets to the top and knocked off the top and back up and knocked down again. It is the nature of the beast and what this SEO game is all about....

      Joan I have nothing against you but, is there ANY site that will rank that does not need a bunch of content??? I mean are you seriously going to think a site can rank with just a graphic? All sites that get indexed have content, need content, will only rank with content.....

      Do ANY plugins need content? No, just the site itself. That is why they probably did not tell you specifically your site needs content....

      Thanks for reading my rant....
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      Originally Posted by Tim Franklin View Post

      I would be interested to see how many people reach the top in google in hours or days or weeks, probably 98 percent will never see one bump. The problem with (secret methods of pulling the wool over google is that Google is not stupid, never have been. Its simply a numbers game, you play the game and you might see a little something extra but it will not last. Most serious SEO minded companies know this and so avoid these little tricks and drama laden sales copy.

      Obviously honesty is not the best policy for everyone...
      Absolutely you are spot on! Well said. Fancy going through all that huge learning curve for results that will be temporary at best. No thanks!
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    thank you all for giving you opinios. this thread made me decide on buying or not buying rent a serp.
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  • Profile picture of the author Humbee360
    Nice information, I tend to follow the Golden Rule, its works a lot better than Gimmicks, Gags, & Gasps, I see most of the opinions are along the normal "routine" type conversations. In fact most are cordial and respectful, except for one post, where it looks like someone just came in with a big giant chip on their shoulder.

    I honestly do not believe in all this running around starting fights and just downright (Ranting) about everything, but some people just can't help themselves.

    @bestseo I was curious after reading your post, So, I looked at your previous posts and realized that you really don't know much about honest SEO techniques at all do you? More so in a WSO, where you offered a service for spam in wordpress plugins, you ended the WSO with a rant. That was in 2011, so its ancient history, what I am curious about here is did you learn anything from that strategy?

    It sort of looked like your paying customers were basically talking about how bad things were in the product (which was about how you could take spam and turn it into an SEO boost?) (so you thought that spammy backlinks were somehow a good thing?)

    Im not trying to be mean sorry, my sincere apologies, but I can't help but wonder what your point is? IMHO, this is exactly what is wrong with SEO, people think they are so smart that they can play games and win, they think that this is what its all about, tricking your way to the top. by the way you do know what sarcasm is right?

    cool thread otherwise.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
      Entertaining thread we have going here! Personally I think the model to resell this stuff to small business owners is seriously flawed.

      I wouldn't ever want to share my brand with others on the same site in this manner when I owned my own brick and mortar businesses and I don't think any of my peers would either.

      Just my 2 cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
      Originally Posted by Humbee360 View Post


      @bestseo I was curious after reading your post, So, I looked at your previous posts and realized that you really don't know much about honest SEO techniques at all do you? More so in a WSO, where you offered a service for spam in wordpress plugins, you ended the WSO with a rant. That was in 2011, so its ancient history, what I am curious about here is did you learn anything from that strategy?

      It sort of looked like your paying customers were basically talking about how bad things were in the product (which was about how you could take spam and turn it into an SEO boost?) (so you thought that spammy backlinks were somehow a good thing?)

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      As you noticed I do not post anymore. I did put out a plugin that would use spam posts and change them to good backlinks for you. It converted the junk to gold back then.....
      Now, Google and SEO changes all the time as everyone knows. So you change with it. Just because something does not work today, does not mean it did not work back then and get sales and ranking and and and....
      That would be like saying today, do not use this plugin or that software or this theme because in six months SEO will change and it will not be worth a dime....
      How about the money you make in those six months? You earn daily and test test test test test test test until you make more more more more....
      Zerofill put it simply that people need to have an original idea. They need to work as they think that everything is plug and play and collect in the AM....

      We work hard at getting ranking for a site. I make every dime online and people's opinions on my ways are meaningless to me for one reason. They do not pay my bills and my ways pay my bills nicely. I left WF for a long time and will again leave an not post because there are to many CHILDREN that want to have an "their voice" be the loudest and think they know so damn much. I have been doing this for YEARS AND YEARS. I make a great living online.
      That said, if you think this is a crap product---- do not buy it. I know that the original Core Conversion by Donald VanFossen a/k/a Zerofill works worked and crushes for me to this day!
      I do not care that someone has an opinion that an Iframe is cloaking. They are wrong and I do not need to prove it. I make ZERO off this product. I make a ton off the plugin I own rights to named Core Conversion/ Double Agent.

      Here is a great thought. If they de-index a site with the plugin on it what would you do? I will tell you what I do.... I build another one quickly with a new URL and get it up and ranking faster than you could imagine....
      I am honored to be a tester for some friends with software that will be out soon enough that will really change the way you and many thousands of others will handle SEO PPC SEM and traffic funnels for organic keyword traffic..... You will be lining up for this stuff and trust me on this, it is truly PUSH BUTTON and walk away.
      I hate to be there bearer of bad news but taking the time to banter back and forth if it is good or if it is crap, really is a waste of time. Either buy it and find out if it is good or do not..... This is a review of the product thread. I buy tons of stuff to test and hope it is going to work and I will test it in many ways, not just one....
      Test it, and if you do not like it, demand a refund. But do not demand a refund if it works and you do not like it. Only if it does not work. That is what matters most. Not your opinion on working, the fact if it does or does not work.....

      Until I decide to come back on here, I remain a marketer making bank daily who does his things--- the way he wants and not how Matt "the head liar" Cutts say I should. Matt, hope you read this! You can sucker some people into blindly following your words but I know better because I test test test test!!!!
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    All said and done, the RAS seems to be doing brisk business on day 1.
    It reports selling 3000 of em already as per "Mynameisabhijit"s warrior page !
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    All said and done, the RAS seems to be doing brisk business on day 1.
    It reports selling 3000 of em already as per "Mynameisabhijit"s warrior page !
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyW
    No need to change the phone number.
    Just change where the number rings TO.
    Very easy to do with callfire or twilio.

    "When people call this number, it will automatically RING on YOUR phone - for just $150/month."

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  • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
    Come on people; why are you even wasting your time seriously considering this? Ever heard the expression "fool me once; shame on you; fool me twice; shame on me"?

    The very first post in this thread mentions who's behind it, so you can't even be excused on the basis of not having read the whole thread; did you even bother reading the first post before diving into the discussion? Why there is a need for more than that first post, in order for people to make an easy, firm decision is beyond me. Would you buy stock from the Enron guys, or "A" rated debt packages from Bank of America, Wells Fargo, and Chase, knowing they all sold packages of bad loans as such, while investing in derivatives that paid out only when those loans failed?

    If you still want to buy after reading the Video Vantage thread, there is simply no hope for you, and perhaps no hope of ever stopping scammers, since they don't even need to move on to new markets before running their next con. Why would you even need to read more, once you found out who was behind it? You might as start shopping around for a Nigerian prince who wants your bank account number to transfer his fortune into your account.

    Sometimes I wish I was a scammer; you guys just make it so easy! It's depressing. If you were deer, you'd be hanging around logging roads, giving out venison recipe books to the nice men in plaid jackets on the first day of hunting season.

    No wonder Empower Network is still going.
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    I purchased the course and plugin - as of Saturday I am still waiting for a refund -
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        Originally Posted by ontarget13 View Post

        I respect those of you who do not want to look past the history of the two who created this plugin but that still does not take away the fact that with some elbow grease, you could really make something of it.
        With elbow grease you can make something of a lot of things. You can build your own from scratch even. Not really a convincing argument for ignoring poor quality and support.
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                  Originally Posted by sandi24 View Post

                  That's all they had to say then, or put that info on their sales page. I know many of us have bought products only to find the OTO is unlimited domains.. so if it doesn't say anything on the sales page we have to assume it's a single domain license.

                  At the very least they should reply with this info when asked.
                  Or have the right to assume it's for unlimited domains.
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        • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
          Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

          With elbow grease you can make something of a lot of things. You can build your own from scratch even. Not really a convincing argument for ignoring poor quality and support.

          You are tough on people for things that are really self explanatory. This is internet marketing and a call to action is not a list the pros and the cons. It is list the PROS more PROS more hype and more hype!!!! SELL SELL SELL SELL.....

          You must not do so well because NO sales person tells you everything..... Unless you ask a specific question(s) I am not answering it either.

          You are better off asking YOUR questions and waiting for an answer before you buy then. ME, I do not read the SALES PAGE--- only the functions and features of a product concern me.
          If I told you that it produced fifty dollar bills and out came a hundred you would complain I did not tell you? Do not be so nit picky is all I am saying.
          Good Luck in your marketing! I suggest you follow Zerofill or SEMeasy or others that will be honest with you all the time.....
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Price
      Originally Posted by anymore View Post

      I purchased the course and plugin - as of Saturday I am still waiting for a refund -
      That was fast. What was it about the product you didn't like?
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyW
    Now I'm totally confused...

    Just got an email from a very respected "guru" type (initials are CW).
    His promo/review video STRESSES that this does NOT involve iFrames, it is NOT against google's rules, "...nothing like that..." -- said in a tone of voice like, DON'T believe all the rumors you've heard.

    Then he goes on to give a VERY detailed and ENTHUSIASTIC review of it.

    Now, iFrames method and going against google's rules (or soon-to-be rules) were my biggest objections -- but CW says, in no uncertain terms that this method is *NOT* those things!

    So, maybe I will give it a try, based on that.

    -- TW

    PS: Does anyone know all the details on all the OTOs on this? (I'm sure there are quite a few of them, in this case)
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      Originally Posted by TimothyW View Post

      Now I'm totally confused...

      Just got an email from a very respected "guru" type (initials are CW).
      His promo/review video STRESSES that this does NOT involve iFrames, it is NOT against google's rules, "...nothing like that..." -- said in a tone of voice like, DON'T believe all the rumors you've heard.

      Then he goes on to give a VERY detailed and ENTHUSIASTIC review of it.

      Now, iFrames method and going against google's rules (or soon-to-be rules) were my biggest objections -- but CW says, in no uncertain terms that this method is *NOT* those things!

      So, maybe I will give it a try, based on that.

      -- TW

      PS: Does anyone know all the details on all the OTOs on this? (I'm sure there are quite a few of them, in this case)
      @Tim

      Would you mind providing a link to the page/review where you saw that?

      Thanks,

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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Price
      Originally Posted by TimothyW View Post

      Just got an email from a very respected "guru" type (initials are CW).
      If CW is who I think it is (last name one of the 4 seasons?), I agree he's brilliant and a great teacher. But, I no longer trust ANY of his recommendations.

      He's wholeheartedly endorsed too many products that turned out to be crap. So, while I trust what he teaches, I ignore all of his affiliate promotions.
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        Originally Posted by Keith Price View Post

        If CW is who I think it is (last name one of the 4 seasons?), I agree he's brilliant and a great teacher. But, I no longer trust ANY of his recommendations.

        He's wholeheartedly endorsed too many products that turned out to be crap. So, while I trust what he teaches, I ignore all of his affiliate promotions.
        Yeah....too many recommendations for me as well. While I remain on his list I rarely ever open his emails.

        Cheers

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        Originally Posted by Keith Price View Post

        If CW is who I think it is (last name one of the 4 seasons?), I agree he's brilliant and a great teacher. But, I no longer trust ANY of his recommendations.

        He's wholeheartedly endorsed too many products that turned out to be crap. So, while I trust what he teaches, I ignore all of his affiliate promotions.
        I completely agree Keith - even some of the more reputable affiliates who are also Warriors (no names, but they know who they are) are doing the same.

        They are either becoming hard up financially and plug everything or are just plain lazy and fail to do enough due diligence on behalf of their lists. Either way I am starting to remove them from my email lists.
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    • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
      Originally Posted by TimothyW View Post

      Now I'm totally confused...

      Just got an email from a very respected "guru" type (initials are CW).
      His promo/review video STRESSES that this does NOT involve iFrames, it is NOT against google's rules, "...nothing like that..." -- said in a tone of voice like, DON'T believe all the rumors you've heard.

      Then he goes on to give a VERY detailed and ENTHUSIASTIC review of it.

      Now, iFrames method and going against google's rules (or soon-to-be rules) were my biggest objections -- but CW says, in no uncertain terms that this method is *NOT* those things!

      So, maybe I will give it a try, based on that.

      -- TW

      PS: Does anyone know all the details on all the OTOs on this? (I'm sure there are quite a few of them, in this case)

      IT IS 100% an Iframe without a doubt at all.... Please read what Zerofill posted. He invented it! I use it... I see the reply when you look at the page in a text window.

      It is not against anything and even if it was... The Google Police are not going to arrest you. You will not go to Google Jail. You will not have your first born killed by a Google henchman for it... Matt Cutts will hate you and that is all....
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  • Profile picture of the author warrenonline
    If you're iframing the client's site over the ranking site, firstly, isn't that going to affect the ranking of the latter sooner or later? But secondly, and as important, if you iframe the client's site over every page of the ranking site, won't that create tons of duplicate content? So you've got rankingsite.com/page1, rankingsite.com/page2, rankingsite.com/page3, etc. ranking. Now you iframe http://clientsite.com over every page, that's going to create a lot of duplicate content, isn't it?
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      Originally Posted by waterprism View Post

      If you're iframing the client's site over the ranking site, firstly, isn't that going to affect the ranking of the latter sooner or later?
      If you do it wrong, yes...

      Originally Posted by waterprism View Post

      But secondly, and as important, if you iframe the client's site over every page of the ranking site, won't that create tons of duplicate content? So you've got rankingsite.com/page1, rankingsite.com/page2, rankingsite.com/page3, etc. ranking. Now you iframe http://clientsite.com over every page, that's going to create a lot of duplicate content, isn't it?
      Again yes, if you do it wrong, but wouldn't be a duplicate content penalty in the way you are thinking.

      See this post...

      Again though... I am referring to the method... which I mention in my first post of this thread. This is not a recommendation for Rent A Serp. This is just my experience from actually doing this type of thing while the RAS guys were still in High School. Neither promoting or bashing the product. Never used it...
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    Thanks for weighing in, Don.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsvoboda
    I don't know how many actual buyers are on this thread, but you either need to get one or both OTOs or you're going to have to do a lot of hard work to rank these sites, in my opinion. Which is not what the sales material said/implied.

    First, there is a serious lack of in-depth instructions on how to get everything set up. I went through the one available video (didn't get the OTOs) a couple of times. There aren't any written or quick start materials so you're pretty much on your own without the upsells.

    Not cool to charge $47 (a fair price if you do what's necessary to ensure buyers' success) and then leave you hanging.

    I tried asking support questions through the ticketing system as well as directly to the buyers and kept getting a boilerplate response about more universal issues.

    I requested a refund and got the same response as above.

    My PayPal dispute was denied but the seller replied that they'd issue the refund through JVZoo. Fingers crossed.

    I only found this thread after the fact.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    https://ahrefs.com/site-explorer/ove...ptexpanels.com

    It appears that the site nichrocker is referring to has been backlinked for well over a year as well. Was that conveniently omitted to potential buyers?

    So I've done some experiments with IFRAME and even have my own plugin that will iframe any URL into a wordpress page or post.

    I learned that you better know what your doing when using iframes, as if you have a strong site that's ranking well and you start iframing in other sites that are poorly optimized you'll loose rankings on the main site.

    Take my post for what it's worth as I have not nor will I purchase this product.
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    • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      https://ahrefs.com/site-explorer/ove...ptexpanels.com

      It appears that the site nichrocker is referring to has been backlinked for well over a year as well. Was that conveniently omitted to potential buyers?

      So I've done some experiments with IFRAME and even have my own plugin that will iframe any URL into a wordpress page or post.

      I learned that you better know what your doing when using iframes, as if you have a strong site that's ranking well and you start iframing in other sites that are poorly optimized you'll loose rankings on the main site.

      Take my post for what it's worth as I have not nor will I purchase this product.

      Normally I would not bother with a reply to people that say stuff but this is such an opinion I need to reply....

      You have the original CORE CONVERSION from ZEROFILL and you are trying to tell people that if other sites are poorly optimized they will lose ranking on the main site. YOU cannot prove that.

      I am not saying to buy this plugin. In fact I am saying not to buy this one as I have now seen the copy they are selling and it has serious flaws and was an updated one that is JUNK and was completely overhauled by SEMeasy.

      There is no penalty at all for using an Iframe! YOUTUBE is an Iframe! Youtube is owned by Google! If you use an Iframe or other lightbox technology then you are using the same thing that Google uses itself on MASSIVE amounts of its own site!
      go to Google Images and click on one.... What happens? It gets BIG!!! That is the same damn thing and even a crap picture on images that you put on your site, does not get the rank to drop.....

      Not one person can point to an IFRAME costing them ranking or de-indexing. It is not possible for JUST THAT to cause harm. There are a multitude of things that would cause it and that is a fact......

      Now I am going back into my money room to count another few stacks up for the day! I do not care what is said about me personally. I know that what I addressed is beyond reproach and is 10000000% FACT!!!!
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    It is not easy to get your money back - I have been waiting for 3 days with no emails from the company
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    I can't get support to answer. My 10 days will be up soon so I'll ask for the refund tomorrow. Let's see what happens, I'll let you know.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsvoboda
    Wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt, but due to lack of response I requested a refund through PayPal. The serp guys responded through the system by requesting my PP address. So PP is at least tracking everything.

    Even though it's a JVZoo purchase and they say they can't do anything, if we band together and file a refund like I did that might get their attention.

    Personally, I do not intend to let this slide.
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    • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
      Originally Posted by bsvoboda View Post

      Wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt, but due to lack of response I requested a refund through PayPal. The serp guys responded through the system by requesting my PP address. So PP is at least tracking everything.

      Even though it's a JVZoo purchase and they say they can't do anything, if we band together and file a refund like I did that might get their attention.

      Personally, I do not intend to let this slide.

      I find this amazing. So since they have not dropped everything to answer you, and you have a working product, you want to DEMAND a refund. That is very funny to me. WHY?
      You go to the store and buy a piece of software. As soon as you crack the seal it is NOT REFUNDABLE. It goes for all electronic stuff too. But since you get that at Walmart it is okay....

      JVZOO is a portal to sell products and has no responsibility to you if the product has good support or not. Or even if the product works how you say it should. You think it does or does not get someone's attention if you do it alone or submit a million signatures. It still is a fact that JVZOO is not responsible to you for the payment. The people who own and run JVZOO are awesome! They see the refund requests. They just are not the payment processor. That is pay pal....
      Now pay pal is not gonna give you a refund no matter what. It is software and you got it. You used it and just because you did not get good support that does not mean you are ENTITLED to a refund.

      Now all that said...... You should be pissed off! It is your right and I believe the correct thing is to sound off here in the review section to let people know you bought this product and here are what you see as the problems.
      I am NOT against you.... I support you. I am against how you wrote it. I am telling you that your not entitled to a refund and they will not give it to you, in my opinion. I just hope you understand how to use the software to create either ad sense site or PPC saving leads gen sites or just traffic funnel sites.....

      Now some will say I am brash. True-guilty but it is these types of blunt force tramas that people learn from and remember.... I am sure that $50 bucks will not kill you. LEARN FROM IT! That is what I am saying here...........
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      • Profile picture of the author Gladiator
        Originally Posted by BestSEO View Post

        I am sure that $50 bucks will not kill you. LEARN FROM IT! That is what I am saying here...........
        That is very funny! So lets just say for example that the sellers can mislead or not deliver what the sales letter says and I just walk away and let them keep my $50?

        Mean while the sellers have made 10,000 x $50 = $500,000 - NICE, REALLY NICE!

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        • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
          Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post

          That is very funny! So lets just say for example that the sellers can mislead or not deliver what the sales letter says and I just walk away and let them keep my $50?

          Mean while the sellers have made 10,000 x $50 = $500,000 - NICE, REALLY NICE!

          Andre

          They will not get 10,000 copies sold... This plugin only did 8500 copies! It does what the sales page says. It just does not do it as well as you think or would like. Not to mention NO one is going to buy if there is not enough affiliate support.
          PLUS, you forget that the affiliates get 50% or more. Then there is pay pal fees. Then there is the JVZOO fee. Then there is the money invested into the product build. Then there is the money in marketing and sales copy spent. Then there is the cost to build the website for the sales page and other stuff. Then there is a bunch of other costs. How much do you think this is going to cost the main builder? If he has a partner or two or three forget it! Then there is shit left after the split! I can see a $500k gross being $55,000 if there is a 3way split between guys AFTER costs.... YES 11% is what you really keep....

          If you burn people who the hell is gonna buy from you again? You burn your good name then guess what--- You will work at Walmart or Target for the rest of your life now and done with building products and services for sale on WF!

          Like I said, I am not making a dime from this launch. I do not have a dog in this fight. I do however have friends! I do however have people that are connected here. I do want to have other people like me---- MAKE MONEY!!!!
          I do not want anyone burnt EVER.... Not just this launch but ANY launch. It gives us marketers a bad rep as a whole.... That means dumb stuff is written on forums like this one.... It means my ranting is a good laugh for some and others are the target of my keyboard.....
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      • Profile picture of the author bsvoboda
        Originally Posted by BestSEO View Post

        I find this amazing. So since they have not dropped everything to answer you, and you have a working product, you want to DEMAND a refund. That is very funny to me. WHY?
        You go to the store and buy a piece of software. As soon as you crack the seal it is NOT REFUNDABLE. It goes for all electronic stuff too. But since you get that at Walmart it is okay....

        JVZOO is a portal to sell products and has no responsibility to you if the product has good support or not. Or even if the product works how you say it should. You think it does or does not get someone's attention if you do it alone or submit a million signatures. It still is a fact that JVZOO is not responsible to you for the payment. The people who own and run JVZOO are awesome! They see the refund requests. They just are not the payment processor. That is pay pal....
        Now pay pal is not gonna give you a refund no matter what. It is software and you got it. You used it and just because you did not get good support that does not mean you are ENTITLED to a refund.

        Now all that said...... You should be pissed off! It is your right and I believe the correct thing is to sound off here in the review section to let people know you bought this product and here are what you see as the problems.
        I am NOT against you.... I support you. I am against how you wrote it. I am telling you that your not entitled to a refund and they will not give it to you, in my opinion. I just hope you understand how to use the software to create either ad sense site or PPC saving leads gen sites or just traffic funnel sites.....

        Now some will say I am brash. True-guilty but it is these types of blunt force tramas that people learn from and remember.... I am sure that $50 bucks will not kill you. LEARN FROM IT! That is what I am saying here...........
        Not to get into a pissing contest, and I don't know you from Adam. What I do know is I've gotten better support from much lower priced products. Furthermore, I have only refunded once EVER, regardless of how shi*** the product or customer service is.

        When someone sells anything, I don't care if it's software or not, they should at least provide user instructions. Their guarantee didn't say "if we feel like it". They also didn't say you needed to buy the upsell(s), or have ninja seo skills to use it. I had to buy it to find out.

        If $50 means nothing to you you're welcome to purchase mine at full price.
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      • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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        Originally Posted by BestSEO View Post

        You go to the store and buy a piece of software. As soon as you crack the seal it is NOT REFUNDABLE. It goes for all electronic stuff too. But since you get that at Walmart it is okay....
        Your statement about "ALL" electronic stuff is just not true. I used to run 7 consumer electronics stores and we allowed refunds on almost everything we sold except for opened blank tapes (we did not sell software or music) and clearance items (we did refund clearance items if they were defective).

        We allowed refunds on giant TV's, top of the line camcorders, high end home stereo equipment, car stereo equipment etc. etc. --> we returned it all no matter if it was opened or not. The customer had to have the box, packing material and the manuals and they were good to go as long as they returned the product during the return period, and the product was returned undamaged.

        It's called a satisfaction guarantee.

        In-fact the largest electronics retailer in the US accepts returns on lots of electronic devices. Not all, but a ton of opened box stuff can be returned.

        Return & Exchange Policy- BestBuy

        Even companies like Dell will return opened computers less the 15% restocking (and shipping) fee.

        U.S. Return Policy | Dell

        Anyway, I don't want to get into a beef with anyone on this thread but the volume and tone of your posts are starting to remind me of a shill. I did not say you were a shill, but your last 16 forum posts have all been to this product review thread, and from my reading of those posts (especially the last few) you are starting to sound a bit like some sort of shill.

        Cheers

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        Originally Posted by BestSEO View Post

        Now pay pal is not gonna give you a refund no matter what. It is software and you got it.
        This is not always true either.

        While this may be the written PayPal policy --> exceptions are made and at times that policy is broken. You will find many people on Warrior Forum that have been refunded by PayPal on non-tangible goods.

        In-fact I have been with PayPal for a relatively long time and twice in the past 13 years I have asked PayPal for a refund on downloaded software --> both of those refund requests were granted.

        Cheers

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        • Profile picture of the author bsvoboda
          For someone who has no stake in this product bestSEO seems to be spending an inordinate amount of energy defending it.

          I was Operations Manager for a multi-day event that drew 250K people and we hired 2,000 temps to handle every conceivable issue that might occur. Why? Because we were "business people" and we wanted to ensure everyone had a positive experience.

          Anyway, not my fault they didn't have the foresight to sufficiently staff up for this launch.

          Also, if the yield on a product launch is 11%, well, that's the breaks.
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  • Profile picture of the author thehypnoguy
    What a waste of time thread to read. Clearly there are no buyers here so I will take my Theme and Plugin and enjoy them.

    What you would all know if you had purchased is the Iframe can be used or not used. You can just rent the lead gen to the business.

    Personally I'm glad no one is buying as it will leave more territory for me to cover.

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  • Profile picture of the author JonHascue
    I am using this product. I am using it in conjuction with a few other ideas and products I have, and with things I have already been doing for years. As for this product, too soon for me to report results, but from what I can tell you so far, works smoothly. I am using with both with iframe on and off. As of now, I have a little over 50 sites up, and in the middle of linking and getting videos up for them as well, for the link juice.
    I can come back later to report results for you as I go, but for now, works and sets up very nicely.

    Just so you know, I have no horse in this race, just my personal experience with it. I am working on my own research product to sell soon, that will help each and every newbie that needs it, and others as well. So I choose not to hype or push things on people like a lot off others do. I am the quiet guy who has finally really reached the point to help others without all the BS sold attached.

    But to this, I am not yet putting my stamp of approval on it, but neither am I against it. As I said, working smoothly so far, with no issues, as of yet.

    Keep you posted!

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    • Profile picture of the author Streamline
      Devin and his croney's ignored my multiple refund requests for his god-awful linkbuilding service "SEbutler" ... I'll never be burned by this scam artist again. My advice, steer the fcuk clear.
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  • Profile picture of the author JonHascue
    Here is a short quick update.

    I too am having an issue with sending lead emails. I have tested with a lot of my own personal emails. The plugin says "email sent", but the questions is, "to where?"
    Not to the lead.

    It is an issue that does take away the ease of the plugin, but I can still copy and paste the lead directly in to my email and mail it from there, but the ease part is missing. That is a downer, but not an end all to this.

    I have contacted support, so we will see how that goes.

    So far, everything else is working, and lead capture works, and sales are working as well, only the simplicity has taken a hit so far.

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  • Profile picture of the author JonHascue
    Here is an update for you:

    It sends emails no problem. The issue was on my end with a typo for my email address.
    Working now flawlessly. My sites are steadily moving up in the rankings, and by doing my own go getter attitude, I have procured 2 permanent clients, and I have 5 others who are waiting to see if, but for me it is when, I get their sites they are interested in, on top. Just a matter of a little time, tweaking, and linking.

    I will say, for now, this is a great addition to my business, and I now will outsource this, making it virtually hands-free for me.

    I will admit, for whatever reason, they choose to offer lousy support, and some have felt burnt before, or even now, the product works for me. Guess that is all that really matters.

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        I purchased Rent A Serp and for anyone considering buying it, my advice is to stay away.

        Their sales letter is highly inaccurate, (to put it very mildly):

        "Install software, Let system optimize the entire site + rank it"

        Sorry, that's total BS. The "system" does no such thing.

        I unsubscribed from the marketer's list who pitched this to me. He totally blew any credibility he had.
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    • Profile picture of the author Juba1
      Originally Posted by JonHascue View Post

      Here is an update for you:

      It sends emails no problem. The issue was on my end with a typo for my email address.
      Working now flawlessly. My sites are steadily moving up in the rankings, and by doing my own go getter attitude, I have procured 2 permanent clients, and I have 5 others who are waiting to see if, but for me it is when, I get their sites they are interested in, on top. Just a matter of a little time, tweaking, and linking.

      I will say, for now, this is a great addition to my business, and I now will outsource this, making it virtually hands-free for me.

      I will admit, for whatever reason, they choose to offer lousy support, and some have felt burnt before, or even now, the product works for me. Guess that is all that really matters.

      Cheers
      @JonHascue

      Thanks for the update John.
      Are you ranking by using the theme layout or using the iframe feature?
      I purchased the product and like you, am experiencing very poor support.
      One thing I've noticed is that the header image in the theme cannot be customised for each page as it is sitewide so if you decide to rent the site to a local business using the theme layout, it would be nice to have the option to customise the header image for each page.

      Another issue is that of currency symbols, I feel in this day, it should be something standard with anything that is being monetised.

      If anyone knows of a way to edit the plugin to change the currency, I'd appreciate it and as with others on here, I'm still in doubt about the iframe and any potential risk in future.

      It looks like these guys have decided to stop responding to emails. Bo response for over a week so it looks like we won;t be hearing from them again and I doubt whether the theme and plugin will ever be updated.

      Ah well, no more purchases on Warrior Forum for me. Been hit twice this month on here so this is where I draw the line as it seems to be escalating on here. Such a shame as it used to be a great place.
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      • Profile picture of the author Juba1
        Update...

        The Paypal feature to pay direct without testing is no longer working and returns errors so it's pretty much useless now.
        Think very hard before jumping into this product, simply not worth the waste of time and money unless the authors eventually get around to addressing the many errors and bugs.

        here's a quote from an experienced developer/coder.

        "'I'm afraid that I cannot fix the issues you requested. It appears that there are too many errors in the theme as well as in the plugin. As we developers call it "bad coded theme".
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        • Profile picture of the author JonHascue
          I hate being a spokesperson for anyones product but my own, but I have to chime in again, as it is not fair to those that do use this product, which by the way, does keep my competition down, but it is really unfair to those that are new to this, or are looking to maybe buy this, to not hear from both sides. To hear the good and the bad.

          As to the post below, and to some that seem to bash without really knowing, you need to be aware, that this does work fine for quite a large few people, and it works for me. There may be issues with the code, and in sandbox mode, Paypal works fine up until you try to log in to try to pay. SO WHAT!!

          I can assuredly tell you, it works fine when my prospects pay me, and that is all that matters.

          Nothing on this planet, IS PERFECT, or works PERFECTLY, BUT, if it works, and it works good enough to reach what we really want to attain, then that is all that matters.

          QUOTE:
          "bad coded theme"

          WHO CARES?

           RESPONSE:
          "rising bank account" Iframes work fine, ranking works fine, payments work fine. If you do not want this, or can't get past the trivial stuff, fine, I will.

          I agree we all deserve a full working product we pay for, and these guys are not the poster children for good support, this does work none the less, and naysayers need to stop bringing others down to their level of smashed hopes, before they even get started with it. At least be fair, and do warn about issues, but let them know the truth about the end results as well.

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          Update...

          The Paypal feature to pay direct without testing is no longer working and returns errors so it's pretty much useless now.
          Think very hard before jumping into this product, simply not worth the waste of time and money unless the authors eventually get around to addressing the many errors and bugs.

          here's a quote from an experienced developer/coder.

          "'I'm afraid that I cannot fix the issues you requested. It appears that there are too many errors in the theme as well as in the plugin. As we developers call it "bad coded theme".
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          • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
            Originally Posted by JonHascue View Post

            I hate being a spokesperson for anyones product but my own, but I have to chime in again, as it is not fair to those that do use this product, which by the way, does keep my competition down, but it is really unfair to those that are new to this, or are looking to maybe buy this, to not hear from both sides. To hear the good and the bad.

            As to the post below, and to some that seem to bash without really knowing, you need to be aware, that this does work fine for quite a large few people, and it works for me. There may be issues with the code, and in sandbox mode, Paypal works fine up until you try to log in to try to pay. SO WHAT!!

            I can assuredly tell you, it works fine when my prospects pay me, and that is all that matters.

            Nothing on this planet, IS PERFECT, or works PERFECTLY, BUT, if it works, and it works good enough to reach what we really want to attain, then that is all that matters.

            QUOTE:
            "bad coded theme"

            WHO CARES?

             RESPONSE:
            "rising bank account" Iframes work fine, ranking works fine, payments work fine. If you do not want this, or can't get past the trivial stuff, fine, I will.

            I agree we all deserve a full working product we pay for, and these guys are not the poster children for good support, this does work none the less, and naysayers need to stop bringing others down to their level of smashed hopes, before they even get started with it. At least be fair, and do warn about issues, but let them know the truth about the end results as well.

            Cheers


            Now THAT'S how you motivate! "Adapt and overcome" as the Marines say. We need more of this type of thing here.
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                Originally Posted by thepestguru View Post

                I agree to a point don't put a half baked product out and not have any support? I can't even use the theme won't play my youtube vids and tried everything and no help from support but i'm not gonna refund your money or help with your issue?
                If you use the url from the address bar in your browser, it will work.
                It doesn't work with the url from the share feature.
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            Originally Posted by JonHascue View Post

            I hate being a spokesperson for anyones product but my own, but I have to chime in again, as it is not fair to those that do use this product, which by the way, does keep my competition down, but it is really unfair to those that are new to this, or are looking to maybe buy this, to not hear from both sides. To hear the good and the bad.

            As to the post below, and to some that seem to bash without really knowing, you need to be aware, that this does work fine for quite a large few people, and it works for me. There may be issues with the code, and in sandbox mode, Paypal works fine up until you try to log in to try to pay. SO WHAT!!

            I can assuredly tell you, it works fine when my prospects pay me, and that is all that matters.

            Nothing on this planet, IS PERFECT, or works PERFECTLY, BUT, if it works, and it works good enough to reach what we really want to attain, then that is all that matters.

            QUOTE:
            "bad coded theme"

            WHO CARES?

             RESPONSE:
            "rising bank account" Iframes work fine, ranking works fine, payments work fine. If you do not want this, or can't get past the trivial stuff, fine, I will.

            I agree we all deserve a full working product we pay for, and these guys are not the poster children for good support, this does work none the less, and naysayers need to stop bringing others down to their level of smashed hopes, before they even get started with it. At least be fair, and do warn about issues, but let them know the truth about the end results as well.

            Cheers


            Thanks for putting things in perspective Jon, I only wish I could get the Paypal to work but I guess I can always just send them my Paypal email, adapting like you say.

            Update......

            Paypal feature is working now, my mistake of an extr dot in email address.
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            • Profile picture of the author usabids
              I too bought this and have emailed Support 10 times and still no answers to any questions/problems i've found. From June 15 - now no answers RENT A SERP what a joke.
              Worst support i have had to Date.
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        Well, I gave it a go. After 4 unresolved problems with the theme (no response to my support tickets), I asked for a refund. THAT email they responded to asking how they could make things better. I told them that they couldn't, that I had spent enough time with their broken theme and to just refund.

        No response. That was well within the "10 day refund w/no questions asked" period.

        I tried to do some work-arounds to solve the issues but was not able to. Then today the theme just stopped working altogether. I have just 3 cities silo'd together and when I try to get to the page, my browser (I tried them all), said that the site had an endless loop. I went in and disabled all pages but the home page and it still says the same thing.

        I am NOT a novice to WordPress or themes or plugins... This theme was a train-wreck from the get-go.

        I will continue to press for a refund.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimothyW
      Originally Posted by macna View Post

      Keith Price
      "Did they say why you don't qualify for a refund?"

      Hey Keith
      They said it fell out side of the 10 day no questions asked date but the refund policy also said if you could not make any money within 60 days with their plugin and theme they would not only give you your money back but double it. Well as it stands I have no hope of making any money with this load of trash so by their own standards they owe me double what I paid.

      But of course there is no hope of any refund of any kind from those crooks I will just have to take the loss. Not that I am flush with money like many others it means a lot to loose your money in this way money that could have been used for something better.

      Martin.

      BTW. I was told that my main concern was a priority on their things to do list so thats why I waited until after the 10 days was up. Actually thought they were going to update it silly me.
      Shouldn't WF ban them at this point?
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    • Profile picture of the author JonHascue
      Make sure you are using the link in your browser bar, not the "share" link.

      Originally Posted by thepestguru View Post

      Bought the plug in and very disappointed none of my youtube vids will load? When contacting support the first thing that was "said" you out of your 10 day refund window? Really? i responded didn't want a refund just a fix? They gave me some tips like shortening the url and i tried everything and it doesn't work. I have seen some people with working plug ins but, with support like that hmm i wonder...
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      • Profile picture of the author Juba1
        To be honest, you're better off using any theme that gets regular updates and allows space for decent content and then signing up to SEMeasy Double Agent plugin as they seem to be serious about their product and it actually works as it should and has more features.
        If you can rent out pages, the $27 monthly fee is a no brainer for a hassle free product.

        Without this debacle, I wouldn't have discovered the SEMeasy plugin so I take that as a bonus.

        Devin & Mario, remember those names well folks.
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  • Profile picture of the author gcampton
    OK I was asked to chime in here because I've made a ton of changes. Here's my quote from another review thread.

    Originally Posted by gcampton

    There's lots of things broken with the theme and plugin so I didn't upgrade to the membership for that reason... What's even worse is when I emailed support telling them I was willing to fix their theme and plugin problems for free as I had to anyway to get the fkn thing to work.
    I got the response "? What you talking about, what issues?"

    I replied and named a couple. As at the time of the email I had only seen the problems with the typo in the contact form, the silo pages email form header displaying as a paragraph tag, the fact all social links pass pagerank. The thank you page is unstyled and the link used PHP Code:
    <?php home_url(); ?>

    which should have been PHP Code:
    <?php echo home_url(); ?>

    so of course the link doesn't go "Back to Home" as stated in the anchor text.

    No reply since then, and that was over 2 weeks ago. This guy is mentally challenged?

    Since then I've also found that the plugin is a joke. It sends mail from "webmaster@example.com" because it's hardocoded into the PHP that way. At least its smart enough to add the subject line and content you send via mail. However receivers likely won't open up any emails sent from webmaster@example.com.

    There's 100's of fixes I've made and documented them all, in fact the document is up to over 5000 words and I'm not finished yet.

    I realized documenting changes so others can replicate all the changes was a waste of time, the plugin and theme needs a complete re-version as this is still early beta at best.

    All the bloat is still in there, in fact it calls 3 Google fonts in the header which aren't used and one of them is "Cabin" which is Google's biggest page load font.

    The theme is a copy of the blackbird theme and adjusted to be a 1 pager. The problem is they left all the bloated unusable code from blackbird and were complete unethical jackasses with the theme and plugin they released.

    So I've made a massive list of changes you can also make if you want. The "developer" emailed me back finally and said hes made some changes, so you can re-download the latest version.

    Check my pastebin regularly. I won't be posting the whole theme or plugin as that would be considered blackhat. But I will be posting the numerous fixes I've been making over the last few weeks.

    Pastebin -> Gcampton's Pastebin - Pastebin.com

    Good Luck,

    And to all the haters, you can rank websites with little content on them. Most local businesses don't need or use a ton of content anyway, just a phone number and contact form. Which is exactly what this theme has.

    Aside from the ugly thank-you page the absolute number one change you need to make this plugin work is in the plugin.

    Go to Admin -> Plugins -> Editor -> Rent-a-SERP

    Hit CTRL F and find all instances of "webmaster@example.com" replace those with the email you'd like to use for emailing people. There should be 4 instances of that email address. So when people get emails from you it says "Subject - webmaster@example.com" I know I wouldn't open that email. So don't expect your open rates to be huge. Additionally I think a fair few spam filters block emails from example.com. On top of that if people try to email you back @example.com I don't think you're going to be able to read it.

    Change that and the theme/plugin works just fine.

    PS. The theme and plugin can be used independently so you can use the plugin with your preferred theme if you think it needs mass amount of content to rank. Just use contact form 7 plugin with CF7 to DB plugin, and duplicate the form. That way you will be able to collect emails via the quotation/questions form.

    If you'd like a list of changes I have made PM me. I have documented everything (i Hope)

    My biggest problem is I haven't spent the time to learn PHP, while I studied Java and C++ at uni however this is a whole different ballgame. I can pick up little bits and pieces and fix stuff, but I really need to get my head around how arrays work and -> => differences etc. It's not like C at all from what I can tell. That and the whole folder structure content is a little confusing. I've been putting it off for far too long, but finally quit my job recently to focus on SEO full time. So will start picking up PHP as I have the time to do so.

    I will make this theme and plugin awesome. It might just take me a couple months of trial and error, for the meantime I've fixed all errors with it. However I would like some extended functionality such as changing the header image as well as the logo for the SILO pages. The ability to input your email address without having to play with code etc. Extended section for around 4 paragraphs of text for more content. A blog that passes juice back to base thoroughly. For content purposes. Stuff people think they need...etcetera
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    Those that think you need content to rank need to go read matt woodward, alex becker, viperchill, godofseo, and other blogs.
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      G'day mate, thanks for such an in depth analysis and this is really helpful to us non coders.
      Very valuable info and much appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author gcampton
    Maybe my "review" seemed a like a bashing. I was jaded as I offered to fix it for his customers FOR FREE!!!

    To be honest I like this product. It's got really good potential it's a great idea, it was just poorly implemented and poorly coded. It would be hard for people to rank for their keywords being that heading tags on the site consist of "FREE QUOTE" and "Rent this pre-ranked page now for instant sales. Only $2000 USD" as <h1> tags.

    Not to mention the silo structure is completely broken, (referring to page.php)

    BUT IT'S A GOOD CONCEPT and as it's difficult to find themes that are good for local businesses, this is pretty easy choice. Just about every theme out there on WordPress repo and Themeforest are either "Corporate Business", "Ecommerce", "Photography - Portfolio", "Fashion - Portfolio", "Newspaper", "Application Business", "Blogging", or various other non-local style websites. So this theme is "good" for local biz. I would have preferred a little more functionality and style but it's still decent for what it is.

    A Yellow Pages website is no different to this theme actually. If you pay yellow pages $800 to do a website for you, you essentially get a 1 pager with nothing more than some pretty graphics and a contact form.
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    • Profile picture of the author Juba1
      Fixed it.
      I had to change $ to £ in the plugin code to get it to reflect British Pounds.
      The sequence you described changed the currency in Paypal section so all is good.
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        Awesome, Sorry I didn't think of that. Makes sense
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        • Profile picture of the author gcampton
          Rest of you - Currency changes and email change.

          Admin -> Plugins -> Editor -> Rent-a-SERP

          ras-iframe/rasiframe.php is the only PHP file you need to edit. The rest is ajax, javascript and css.

          CTRL+F search for "webmaster@example.com" and "USD" for currency change

          change webmaster to your email. Change currency to your currency, and change the description for the item if you don't want it to say "Rent-a-SERP Subscription"




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    You know what's really funny. I didn't ever watch or read the sales page. I had an idea what it was and seemed like an awesome idea so just bought it.

    But I went back and watched the video to see what all the hype was. So funny, every time he makes some bold claim or talks about how their test site made $990 in the first week his eye fully twitches. I have noticed this kind of lying in other videos and not bought, you guys should really focus on body language if you're going to be spending money on WSO's and offsite products.

    I would have bought regardless if I actually watched the video before purchase.

    It's a no-brainer if you're building a local SEO business (probably not at $250 though, that's a bit of a rippoff), which I am already currently doing. However I'm nerdy, socially awkward and suck at selling and cold calling. Seriously, my voice sounds like a monotone orang-utan.

    So this was a way to do what I was already planning to do, but easier... Just a shame the "easier" part isn't so easy as the sales thread makes it out to be.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimothyW
      Why don't you come out with your fixed up version of this concept?
      You can put in a WSO called, "We fix $47 haircuts."

      -- TW


      Originally Posted by gcampton View Post

      You know what's really funny. I didn't ever watch or read the sales page. I had an idea what it was and seemed like an awesome idea so just bought it.

      But I went back and watched the video to see what all the hype was. So funny, every time he makes some bold claim or talks about how their test site made $990 in the first week his eye fully twitches. I have noticed this kind of lying in other videos and not bought, you guys should really focus on body language if you're going to be spending money on WSO's and offsite products.

      I would have bought regardless if I actually watched the video before purchase.

      It's a no-brainer if you're building a local SEO business (probably not at $250 though, that's a bit of a rippoff), which I am already currently doing. However I'm nerdy, socially awkward and suck at selling and cold calling. Seriously, my voice sounds like a monotone orang-utan.

      So this was a way to do what I was already planning to do, but easier... Just a shame the "easier" part isn't so easy as the sales thread makes it out to be.
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    I just downloaded and checked the "UPDATED" version. This guy is seriously an asshat on purpose. I told him I would fix it for free, he refused my request.

    He tells me he's updated it himself...

    It was a BIG FAT lie, just like his face. I just checked everything, no version change. No page.php updates. No form fixes made. Still passes PR to facebook and Google.

    I wish I lived in the states. I'd go for a drive... and


    Anyhoo a FREE WSO does sound good. I have to do some learning, and in the process of hiring a web dev for my business to help me out anyway.

    So it would be a month/ couple months down the road. And I'll create a bootstrap theme from the ground up. With 5 different template options. Or just 5 different options for header/footer layouts. As for the plugin, I'll probably leave it out.

    But I seriously do think our industry needs better local templates. Trying to turn blogging and corporate themes into something that looks decent for local sites ends up with a massively bloated theme that takes 10+ seconds to load. I swear 90% of themeforest themes are just bloated messes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Niche Kid
      The reason rent-a-serp wont release an update is due to the agreement made with SemEasy. This is in SemEasy's news forum:

      "In accordance with the terms of our agreement, let it be forewarned that the RaS camp is not allowed to release any updates, modifications and or derivatives to/of the current iteration of the Rent-A-SERP software, "

      So before the software was ever released rent-a-serp never had any intention to support their product... And is not allowed to update it due to the legal action taken by SemEasy.
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  • Profile picture of the author gcampton
    Most of the errors are in the theme not the plugin. They (SEMeasy) are referring to how the iframe works I believe. That's the 'agreement'. minor fixes like letting uses select their email address, currency code and symbol wouldn't be a drama.

    The theme is hugely based off "Blackbird",

    https://wordpress.org/themes/blackbird <--- I assume the free one on the repository. Not the $59 one with the same name from here: http://www.inkthemes.com/wp-themes/b...rdpress-theme/

    EDIT: The theme has 11 x 1 star reviews, and only 5 x 5 star reviews. One of which is actually the same problem however he's accidentally selected 5 stars. Seems the support doesn't answer support threads there either and suggests people pay the $59 pro theme upgrade to get support.

    Hmmm, I smell a rat. Mario owns Ink Themes?

    EDIT2: Privacy on the whois. My sleuthing skills stop there.
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    no body can fool google this days!
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      Originally Posted by unreal View Post

      no body can fool google this days!
      Depends on how you use it.
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    • Profile picture of the author gcampton
      Originally Posted by Juba1 View Post

      Depends on how you use it.
      Originally Posted by unreal View Post

      no body can fool google this days!
      Exactly , I fool Google on a daily basis as does every SEO out there.

      By "no body " you're referring to those who have no clue how to fool Google?

      But my 3 year clients would disagree with you.

      On top of that spam still works. ROI! as it only takes a couple hours to throw up a site and create a GSA campaign, it still works and still makes money. Yeah you have to repeat the process... each update. But for the most part they are 100% fooling the Google-bot. It's the penguin/panda filters they're not fooling.

      But those filters don't even hit 75% of spammed sites. There's still hundreds of thousand's (probably millions) that make it through each update and continue making $$$ for the owners.

      Not saying I rank spam, but I know it works. I see those sites on a daily basis.
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      • Profile picture of the author Juba1
        Here's a puzzle I uncovered about the theme today.
        When you set up unique logos for each page, the link for each logo always reverts back to the homepage when clicked.

        Seeing as the theme has no navigation, this could be problematic so maybe the only way is to remove the link option for the logos if that's possible or does anyone have any other idea on how to isolate the link for each logo uploaded?
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      • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
        Originally Posted by gcampton View Post

        Exactly , I fool Google on a daily basis as does every SEO out there.

        By "no body " you're referring to those who have no clue how to fool Google?

        But my 3 year clients would disagree with you.

        On top of that spam still works. ROI! as it only takes a couple hours to throw up a site and create a GSA campaign, it still works and still makes money. Yeah you have to repeat the process... each update. But for the most part they are 100% fooling the Google-bot. It's the penguin/panda filters they're not fooling.

        But those filters don't even hit 75% of spammed sites. There's still hundreds of thousand's (probably millions) that make it through each update and continue making $$$ for the owners.

        Not saying I rank spam, but I know it works. I see those sites on a daily basis.

        gcampton get ur PM please..... Thanks!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
      Originally Posted by thepestguru View Post

      Hi,

      Anyone suggest a silo theme that will work with the plug in? I like the plug in except the cloaking function a little cautious on that one. I have gave up on the theme won't play my youtube vids tried everything and no help from support. Any suggestions is helpful

      There is NO CLOAKING done with this plugin. It uses an IFRAME....
      You want themes and stuff with this, then you should check out SEMeasy as they are the ones that help people all the time and give support and webinars....
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  • Profile picture of the author wickid
    Reading over this thread makes me feel a bit disappointed that I bought this plugin/theme. I have yet to actually implement it but it did sound like a great idea that I would eventually attempt to use. It seems they released this half assed product just to try and get more members for their SEO/Ranking membership site that they had a webinar for shortly after launch.

    I'll remember to stay away from these clowns and any future product they create.
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  • Profile picture of the author gcampton
    For those who are eluded to how SEO works I'm going to break it down VEEEEEEERY SIMPLY.

    1. Create a good looking site that doesn't look like spammy crap (unless your marketing to teenagers. Then that ACTUALLY works to your advantage - signups, leads w/e are higher)

    2. Use original content that converts the user (not the machine) with the minimal on-page SEO needed. (titles,url,interlinking - onpage has very little importance in the scheme of things)

    3. Quality and I repeat again for those who are friken deaf. QUALITY backlinks. This means good backlinks, not shiet ones. You know... quality right?

    4. That's it there is NO step 4. That strategy will get you through every single update, filter, etc. But if you miss parts out or skip any of the 3 steps I can't guarantee your site will make it.
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  • Profile picture of the author gcampton
    Something fast, like an edited version of Twenty Twelve.

    Yes it will work without the theme. However you'll have to ripout the function calls in the form so you can use it in your theme and still collect those contacts.

    The code for the plugin is directly stolen from SEMeasy, and the Theme is ripped from Blackbird.

    While it seems like a fantastic idea. The original authors of the plugin claim the websites they use this on the plugin only accounts for around 10% of actual sign ups as SEO clients. For the most part they still have to actively seek out clients using normal cold calling. This is not some set and forget method of SEO. But of course at least it's a better model than not haivng anything to show a potential client...

    Had rent-a-serp owners actually used the plugin before stealing it and selling it they would have realised it's not some push button thing. You still have to do work and a lot of clients don't want the light box overlay.

    However the idea for the push button thing just seemed to good to pass up and so they sold a "push button theme and plugin" and hyped it up with Alex Becker's help with great success.

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    What I'm currently doing now is developing my own child theme of 2012, using serpshaker made by Donald who is also posting in this thread. Serpshaker allows you to build out hundreds of pages using a single post with shortcodes and spintax. I'm also using SEMeasy as it's awesome, community and group of plugins. Support actually support and know what they're talking about.

    I tried to make RAS theme work for me, but it just requires too much style configuration. Posts for instance don't even work in the theme you have to copy/paste from page.php and edit it further.

    Additionally there needs to be more content that what the theme allows. So another div with paragraph tags should be added below the video if you're intent on using this theme. Some Google maps code as well.
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    Hey guys I hope you read this, look RAS was released back a few months ago and still everyday I get people messaging me. I enjoy helping people but I don't have the time to help you fixed a failed product that will only do your business harm. Rather than type out everything again here's a PM I'm just going to post here and hide the senders name just in case.


    Originally Posted by somebody who bough RAS

    Hey there,

    Mind if I ask you a question? I came across your posts in regards to rentaserp and have my own issues with it You had mentioned that you created a document that had all of your fixes but it isn't out there anymore that I could see. I saw one of your latest posts stating that you were now using semeasy. Are you not using rentaserp at all anymore and if not - how is semeasy working for you? I've only just started testing with rentaserp and overlayed a url on an existing page one ranked site and now it is on page two. Google's cached version of the site shows code from the overlayed site. Since rentaserp's support is non-existent, I have been hoping to find someone who has experience with it.

    I've seen some of the sites using semeasy and some I have found are still ranking highly.

    Sorry for the long message - would really appreciate your input. If easier my email address is ...

    Thanks!
    This tactic of overlaying is problematic. SEMeasy is the original creators. RAS guys just stole beta code. The funny thing is they could have actually stolen the latest code but they stole the alpha/beta code and released it as their product. (which had problems with the overlay)

    Like SEMeasy guys say, they really took things too far. The system of "Rent this page" and getting clients to sign up and overlay they sites only accounts for around 5% of their income using these types of sites. You still have to actively get clients.

    It is however a nice feature to overlay peoples sites when you cold call them and then go tell them look at #1 spot and they see their site. This accounts for much larger percentage of their income as they are actually marketing and engaging potential clients rather than just sitting back playing with their cocks hoping a client will Google their own keywords. (They generally pay SEO's to google stuff)

    I'm not using this strategy at the moment. I didn't want to spend the time putting out a bunch of spam to use it the way the SEMeasy guys are using it. They are making a ton of cash doing affiliate and CPA overlays in non traditional niches.

    However I'm still a member and it's a good community to learn stuff from. a bit expensive tho $39 a month. They have regular webinars and a big forum, I think some of that is free.

    The RAS theme itself looks pretty good but has some major issues. It seems as though they paid someone from fiverr to do it, seriously. Even the design was stolen from a landing page I found on Unbounce.com (check the customer examples) Pretty sure it was one of Mike Long's pages.

    Check my pastebin here for RAS updates: RAS Fixes - Pastebin.com

    There were a couple theme issues I didn't highlight in that document as I couldn't be bothered with updating it and instead started working on my own local theme. If you copy the loop (The Loop « WordPress Codex) below the video section and copy paste everything from page.php to single.php you will be able to do posts.

    Just open up WordPress 2012, 2010, 2011, 2013 or 2014 theme's single.php (post.php ?) and copy the loop section, place it in a div below the video section in RAS but above the main closing div wrap for the page. (This way it will contain the same CSS styles and be centred on the page)

    I want to try and release my own theme around new years. But I'm not sure if I'll do the warrior marketing thing I'm going to try and rip a whole bunch of people off and only support for 1 week, more than likely I'll release it on Themeforest instead and support it properly.

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP PRIVATE MESSAGING ME ABOUT RugAShit (RAS).

    I just don't have time to keep answering I'm not support and I don't get paid.

    Thanks,
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      With the loop that will allow you to put content into the main wordpress content area and have it show up on the page. Otherwise you're trying to rank trash with no content. And while it is doable, it requires better link juice flowing to the page which costs more $. Content however ranks itself, so if you make that change, you won't need to spend as much money on PBN's and link building.

      I'd try to aim to get each page at least 1000 words long. (look at your top competition and count how many words they have per page and then beat it by about 500 words.)
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    im gonna use double agent from SEMeasy. Let's see if it works. I've heard many bad things about rent-a-serp. Definitely wont use that one.
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