Vas Blagodarskiy's WP Vicom Copyright Infringement

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UPDATE: Michael from WPBakery now made a post on this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post9371239

Ok, I asked the moderators to remove my thread which was started on July 17 before WP Vicom launched but it was still listed in Google and many people have contacted me via PM and email including affiliates wondering what's up with the plugin. (I'm assuming people looked at the cached version). Again, I made a request for the moderators to delete the previous thread, they did not delete in on their own.

Based on the questions I'm getting and the fact I feel really, really bad for Michael at WPBakery who has spent years developing and perfecting his plugin I'm starting a thread again about WP Vicom.

So here's the deal...

This post is not my opinion, this is 100% fact.

WP Vicom is based (actually it contains the same same exact code) as WPBakery's visual composer plugin which has 31,000+ sales and a five star rating on Code Canyon: WordPress - Visual Composer: Page Builder for WordPress | CodeCanyon

Michael from WPBakery has sent out several tweets about this so it's straight from the developers mouth:

Tweet 1: 2014-07-19_1750 - MarkHess's library
Tweet 2: 2014-07-19_1751 - MarkHess's library

Now, you may say "But Mark, I talked to Vas and he said everything is legit"

Well, if you look at the WP Vicom sales page you would see a box "Professional Premium Support Team" that has a link to support.wpbakery.com: 2014-07-19_1744 - MarkHess's library

And you have the guy who owns WPBakery saying the plugin is a fraud in public on Twitter. If everything was legit don't you think the owner of the support domain listed would be onboard for this?

WP Vicom's sales page also includes all of Michael's elements on his CodeCanyon page for the plugin: WordPress - Visual Composer: Page Builder for WordPress | CodeCanyon

WP Vicom sales page: 2014-07-20_0726 - MarkHess's library

So there you have it...

To make things worse Vas is selling white label/PLR rights to the plugin as an OTO so other people are now selling it also.

I know many of you got emails from affiliates promoting WP Vicom. Please don't get out the pitch forks and shotguns to go after the affiliates for this.

The plugin IS awesome so that's why they told you about it (I was actually going to be an affiliate myself)...

The only reason I knew about this was because I tweeted to Michael before the launch.

UPDATE: Michael from WPBakery now made a post on the thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post9371239

Originally Posted by mixey View Post

Michael is here... from WPBakery. First of all I would like to thank everyone who supports me in this situation. I will try to sum up everything. What Vas is doing is illegal and he puts a lot of people in very compromised position.

So why it is illegal?
1) There's no license on CodeCanyon that will allow you to simply combine multiple plugins together and sell them as "uber cool unique product". If you zipped them together, doesn't make you an author.

2) "he has said that "GPL is nonsense. There is no option for GPL on CodeCanyon for Visual Composer" Items on CodeCanyon are sold under the split license. Why and what does it means? a) This is done to make it legal and follow GPL license that WordPress originally have. And that means that php and html code that is WordPress related are covered with GPL license, because WordPress released them as GPL. All other resources eg: images, css, less, javascript, ..., are covered with other license that is available on CodeCanyon ("single use" or "Extended license"). Period. Looks like you are magician, and somehow changed other part of license to gpl... not sure how that is possible.

3) You have stolen images from our description page and are using them on your sales page. I've never, gave my permission to anyone to use them. We designed them for our own purposes. They are not in the zip file you download from CodeCanyon, you simply stolen them.

4) In your video, you are using parts from videos that are available in our Video academy, again, there are released under the license which doesn't allow commercial use. So again, you stolen them.

5) In private emails to you. I wrote: "I'm not giving you my permission to use WPBakery name in your wildcat venture. And please don't think that we are partners... We will never be partners - trust me." Why the heck you still refer to our "collaboration"? And put our good name in compromised position?

Vas is screaming on every corner that he's doing it all legally and with support from us. BS! Vas is lying... It doesn't matter how bad you want it to be legal, it still not!
#copyright #flat #fraud #infringement #vicom
  • Profile picture of the author philwell
    Thanks for your post Mark. I'm getting into the habit of searching 'product name warrior forum' every time I see something on JVZ.

    Do you think it's still ok to go ahead and purchase the original Visual Composer plugin through WP Bakery - from what I understand there's really no difference between this and WP Vicom right?
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    • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
      Originally Posted by philwell View Post

      Thanks for your post Mark. I'm getting into the habit of searching 'product name warrior forum' every time I see something on JVZ.

      Do you think it's still ok to go ahead and purchase the original Visual Composer plugin through WP Bakery - from what I understand there's really no difference between this and WP Vicom right?
      Incorrect, Visual Composer is about 20-30% less effective than WP ViCom, depending on how many elements you use (on average) per-page. WP ViCom gives you greater precision over your site's look and feel than any other plugin on the market, although the one you mentioned by the original developer is most comparable.

      Regards,
      Vas.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
        Originally Posted by vip-ip View Post

        Incorrect, Visual Composer is about 20-30% less effective than WP ViCom, depending on how many elements you use (on average) per-page. WP ViCom gives you greater precision over your site's look and feel than any other plugin on the market, although the one you mentioned by the original developer is most comparable.

        Regards,
        Vas.
        WTF are you even talking about?

        You are using his code and have WPBakery listed on your sales page as support. Yes, listed as support. Not your "programmers". Why is Michael supporting your product then saying it's a fraud on Twitter and doesn't have anything to do with WP Vicom?: https://twitter.com/wpbakery/with_replies

        Plus, you are using all of his elements from his CodeCanyon listing on your sales page.

        He even flat out told you before this launch:

        "I clearly said to him that redistributing our code is illegal and he can use his extended license only if it will be a service where he charge clients for access to the service and no actual files are shared (distributed)."

        That's fact and not even debatable.

        And bragging you're the #1 product in JVZoo for 3 days, that's great. People like WP Bakery's plugin and sales page because that's what you're using.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    Hey! Long time no see I thought the thread was pulled down. I've already notified 2 affiliates that mailed this since they're putting themselves and their list in legal danger.

    Visual Composer is an awesome plugin. Support the original developer and buy directly through them. WordPress - Visual Composer: Page Builder for WordPress | CodeCanyon
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
      Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

      Hey! Long time no see I thought the thread was pulled down. I've already notified 2 affiliates that mailed this since they're putting themselves and their list in legal danger.

      Visual Composer is an awesome plugin. Support the original developer and buy directly through them. WordPress - Visual Composer: Page Builder for WordPress | CodeCanyon
      Yeah, one of the affiliates you told contacted me. That's why I put that in my original thread about not blaming affiliates. They really had no clue and they only saw an awesome plugin they wanted to promote. hell, I was going to be an affiliate.
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  • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
    Vas here, WP ViCom product creator. It is imperative that I respond.

    I've a deep respect for licensing rights and this thread is, pardon my French, a load of crap. I have paid Michael mid-$xxx in licensing fees for not one, but three of his products; after tinkering with them independently, my programmers decided to combine them all into one plugin. Then after testing it, they urged me to add one more 3rd party software into it, to make it a "whole package" that the JVZoo community would like. They were correct: for the third day in a row, we are JVZoo's #1 best selling product.

    Any developer can acquire the Extended license, but if you're making an "end-product" for resale, you have to manually apply for a special "stock item" license. WP Bakery does not issue these through Envato (they have their own system). Furthermore, they do not just issue it to just any random user. You can verify that they are still practicing this:

    Visual Composer In Stock Usage - WPBakery Knowledge Base - ref. URL 1

    Visual Composer "In Stock" Usage License Upgrade - ref. URL 2

    Furthermore, Michael the creator has shown gross lack of understanding of the term "illegal software" and the notion of software rights as a whole. In a private conversation with one of my affiliates, he has said that "GPL is nonsense. There is no option for GPL on CodeCanyon for Visual Composer" and in a public Twitter post he has stated that he thinks it is illegal because it doesn't look like it is. Why not just ask your customer (me) and get the answer?..

    http://screencast.com/t/mLhsIoL1 - ref. URL 3

    http://screencast.com/t/vb9Anp35jpnp - ref. URL 4

    In conclusion, I am attaching the approved license that was issued to myself approximately a month ahead of this launch (the public is invited to verify these details with Envato). The point is, this is all on record, it has always been on record, and the record must be set straight. I have invoices and receipts to show for it, they're available upon demand.

    LICENSE CERTIFICATE : Envato Marketplace Item
    ==============================================

    This document certifies the purchase of:
    ONE EXTENDED LICENSE
    as defined in the standard terms and conditions on the Envato Marketplaces.

    Licensor's Author Username: wpbakery
    Licensee: Vas Blagodarskiy

    For the item:
    Visual Composer: Page Builder for WordPress

    WordPress - Visual Composer: Page Builder for WordPress | CodeCanyon
    Item ID: 242431

    Item Purchase Code: 7561f8f4-2066-42fa-953c-dc4011696f78

    Purchase Date: 2014-06-19 22:00:12 UTC

    For any queries related to this document or license please contact Envato Support via Open a Ticket - Envato Support

    Envato Pty. Ltd. (ABN 11 119 159 741)
    PO Box 16122, Collins Street West, VIC 8007, Australia

    ==== THIS IS NOT A TAX RECEIPT OR INVOICE ====

    Regards,
    Vas.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paulo70
    What about the VC Customizer Add On that's included also, did Rafael give permission for his plugin to be resold? I doubt it.

    Vas can bleet all he wants, it's pirated software and he knows it.
    An extended license doesn't give anyone the right to resell the plugin and definitely doesn't give you rights to let your customers resell it.
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  • Profile picture of the author mixey
    clg21: No this is perfectly legal. They have authors permission and are selling that according to license.

    Michael is here... from WPBakery. First of all I would like to thank everyone who supports me in this situation. I will try to sum up everything. What Vas is doing is illegal and he puts a lot of people in very compromised position.

    So why it is illegal?
    1) There's no license on CodeCanyon that will allow you to simply combine multiple plugins together and sell them as "uber cool unique product". If you zipped them together, doesn't make you an author.

    2) "he has said that "GPL is nonsense. There is no option for GPL on CodeCanyon for Visual Composer" Items on CodeCanyon are sold under the split license. Why and what does it means? a) This is done to make it legal and follow GPL license that WordPress originally have. And that means that php and html code that is WordPress related are covered with GPL license, because WordPress released them as GPL. All other resources eg: images, css, less, javascript, ..., are covered with other license that is available on CodeCanyon ("single use" or "Extended license"). Period. Looks like you are magician, and somehow changed other part of license to gpl... not sure how that is possible.

    3) You have stolen images from our description page and are using them on your sales page. I've never, gave my permission to anyone to use them. We designed them for our own purposes. They are not in the zip file you download from CodeCanyon, you simply stolen them.

    4) In your video, you are using parts from videos that are available in our Video academy, again, there are released under the license which doesn't allow commercial use. So again, you stolen them.

    5) In private emails to you. I wrote: "I'm not giving you my permission to use WPBakery name in your wildcat venture. And please don't think that we are partners... We will never be partners - trust me." Why the heck you still refer to our "collaboration"? And put our good name in compromised position?

    Vas is screaming on every corner that he's doing it all legally and with support from us. BS! Vas is lying... It doesn't matter how bad you want it to be legal, it still not!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ellac
    I'm not related to vicom.
    But WP was created with 100% GPL.
    If theme and plugin creators do not wish to go with GPL,
    they should create their software on other platforms.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
      Originally Posted by Ellac View Post

      I'm not related to vicom.
      But WP was created with 100% GPL.
      If theme and plugin creators do not wish to go with GPL,
      they should create their software on other platforms.
      From the post above yours from Michael at WPBakery:

      "There is no option for GPL on CodeCanyon for Visual Composer" Items on CodeCanyon are sold under the split license. Why and what does it means? a) This is done to make it legal and follow GPL license that WordPress originally have. And that means that php and html code that is WordPress related are covered with GPL license, because WordPress released them as GPL. All other resources eg: images, css, less, javascript, ..., are covered with other license that is available on CodeCanyon ("single use" or "Extended license"). Period. Looks like you are magician, and somehow changed other part of license to gpl... not sure how that is possible."
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    • Profile picture of the author peterj
      Originally Posted by Ellac View Post

      I'm not related to vicom.
      But WP was created with 100% GPL.
      If theme and plugin creators do not wish to go with GPL,
      they should create their software on other platforms.
      Michael explained that in his previous post.

      If vas wants to he can take the wordpress code governed by the GPL and use that to kick-start his own plugin.

      However, he may not use any of the other code created by Michael (php, css etc) that actully makes the plugin look and function the way it does. Michael is perfectly within his rights to protect it in any way he wishes.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarieDi
    I've gone to Code Canyon and read the licenses and I'm not sure I understand the problem. If I buy an extended license I can create one end-product that I'm allowed to resell. (From what I understand, I'm only forced to get into an agreement with the creator of the product if I want to distribute on Code Canyon).
    If Vas did buy the Extended License, why would his end product (ViCom) be infringing?
    I agree that he shouldn't have used the sales page material without permisssion, but if he paid for the extended license, doesn't that give him permission to create an end product he can resell?
    I've waited to see clarification of this and now the earlybird price is gone :-(
    The fact is the product IS interesting and would answer my needs.
    Any solution on the horizon?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
      Originally Posted by MarieDi View Post

      I've gone to Code Canyon and read the licenses and I'm not sure I understand the problem. If I buy an extended license I can create one end-product that I'm allowed to resell. (From what I understand, I'm only forced to get into an agreement with the creator of the product if I want to distribute on Code Canyon).
      If Vas did buy the Extended License, why would his end product (ViCom) be infringing?
      I agree that he shouldn't have used the sales page material without permisssion, but if he paid for the extended license, doesn't that give him permission to create an end product he can resell?
      I've waited to see clarification of this and now the earlybird price is gone :-(
      The fact is the product IS interesting and would answer my needs.
      Any solution on the horizon?
      Source: Extended License | CodeCanyon

      Yes, you can create an end-product to resell with an extended license. For example, I can create a WordPress theme and integrate Visual Composer into it as a feature. Or, I can buy Revolution Slider and integrate into a theme as a slider feature. The licensed product can be integrated into the theme and cannot be bundled separately as a plugin. The buyer should not be able to take the plugin and install it on another theme.

      At it's core, the extended license allows you to create a larger work with the plugin. The larger work should not be completely and entirely reliant on the licensed product to work. In this case, ViCom IS Visual Composer. Also, you cannot bundle a bunch of CodeCanyon plugins and sell them as a brand new product. This is the equivalent of buying a can of Coke and Spite, and selling them in a 2-pack as Spoke!

      Vas has decided to simply resell Visual Composer all by itself. If he removes Visual Composer from the product, there is NO product. It cannot stand on it's own.

      Furthermore, there is no provision in the Extended License that allows someone to resell rights to Visual Composer in any way.
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      • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
        Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

        :Furthermore, there is no provision in the Extended License that allows someone to resell rights to Visual Composer in any way.
        This is not true, see reference URLs in my original response. Then verify this license please. This license could not have been issued to me by Michael M. himself if it did not exist, Mr. Perez.

        Code:
        LICENCE CERTIFICATE : Envato Marketplace Item
        ==============================================
        
        This document certifies the purchase of:
        
        ONE IN STOCK USAGE LICENSE
        
        this means that Michael M, WPBakery granted you with a permission to use Visual Composer in your own stock template that will be for sale at ThemeForest.
        
        Licensor's Author Username: VasBlagodarskiy
        Theme Name: WP ViCom
        Licensee: Michael M, WPBakery
        
        For the item:
        Visual Composer for WordPress
        
        http://codecanyon.net/item/visual-composer-for-wordpress/242431
        Item ID: 242431
        
        Item Purchase Code: 7561f8f4-2066-42fa-953c-dc4011696f78
        
        Purchase Date: 2014-07-01 09:10:34
        
        Michael M,
        WPBakery
        
        ==== THIS IS NOT A TAX RECEIPT OR INVOICE ====
        Regards,
        Vas.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
          Originally Posted by vip-ip View Post

          This is not true, see reference URLs in my original response. Then verify this license please. This license could not have been issued to me by Michael M. himself if it did not exist, Mr. Perez.

          Code:
          LICENCE CERTIFICATE : Envato Marketplace Item
          ==============================================
          
          This document certifies the purchase of:
          
          ONE IN STOCK USAGE LICENSE
          
          this means that Michael M, WPBakery granted you with a permission to use Visual Composer in your own stock template that will be for sale at ThemeForest.
          
          Licensor's Author Username: VasBlagodarskiy
          Theme Name: WP ViCom
          Licensee: Michael M, WPBakery
          
          For the item:
          Visual Composer for WordPress
          
          http://codecanyon.net/item/visual-composer-for-wordpress/242431
          Item ID: 242431
          
          Item Purchase Code: 7561f8f4-2066-42fa-953c-dc4011696f78
          
          Purchase Date: 2014-07-01 09:10:34
          
          Michael M,
          WPBakery
          
          ==== THIS IS NOT A TAX RECEIPT OR INVOICE ====
          Regards,
          Vas.
          You didn't read the license properly, Vas. That license only allows CodeCanyon authors to integrate Visual Composer into products being sold at CodeCanyon under the terms of the Extended License. For example, if I sell a theme at CodeCanyon, and I want to include Visual Composer as a theme feature, I must fill out the form to become a partner with Mike. It does not mean I can resell Visual Composer in the CodeCanyon marketplace as ViCom, VisComp or anything else.

          The purpose of that license it to notify Mike that the plugin is being integrated into a theme on CodeCanyon per CodeCanyon's new policies.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
            Originally Posted by vip-ip View Post

            Even more potential speculation?!
            Not sure where you see speculation. You can copy and paste that license all you want, as Jesus pointed out:

            Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

            You didn't read the license properly, Vas. That license only allows CodeCanyon authors to integrate Visual Composer into products being sold at CodeCanyon under the terms of the Extended License. For example, if I sell a theme at CodeCanyon, and I want to include Visual Composer as a theme feature, I must fill out the form to become a partner with Mike. It does not mean I can resell Visual Composer in the CodeCanyon marketplace as ViCom, VisComp or anything else.

            The purpose of that license it to notify Mike that the plugin is being integrated into a theme on CodeCanyon per CodeCanyon's new policies.
            There's also this from Michael:

            Originally Posted by mixey View Post


            3) You have stolen images from our description page and are using them on your sales page. I've never, gave my permission to anyone to use them. We designed them for our own purposes. They are not in the zip file you download from CodeCanyon, you simply stolen them.

            4) In your video, you are using parts from videos that are available in our Video academy, again, there are released under the license which doesn't allow commercial use. So again, you stolen them.
            As part of your OTO which is whitelabel/plr rights you're selling rights to a plugin you don't even have rights to sell in the first place. And giving them a sales page to use which has images on it you are illegally using then giving everyone else to use.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Baxter
    Plus, there's even more potential fraud going on, as:

    1. I seriously doubt Michael is going to offer ongoing support & updates for a product which has been pirated from him
    2. Knowing Vas' track record, I doubt he'll be providing any updates (even though these are promised in the sales copy)
    3. So it's another example of "pump and dump" - albeit with a "ripped off" product.
    4. This is why Vas probably didn't launch this as a WSO - as I doubt the WF owners would be party to such practices.
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    • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
      Originally Posted by Chris Baxter View Post

      Plus, there's even more potential fraud going on, as:

      1. I seriously doubt Michael is going to offer ongoing support & updates for a product which has been pirated from him
      2. Knowing Vas' track record, I doubt he'll be providing any updates (even though these are promised in the sales copy)
      3. So it's another example of "pump and dump" - albeit with a "ripped off" product.
      4. This is why Vas probably didn't launch this as a WSO - as I doubt the WF owners would be party to such practices.
      Even more potential speculation?! Sounds like WF's specialty! What exactly is my "track record," Mr. Baxter? "Pump and dump" is a term used for stocks, this is the wrong forum.

      I don't launch on the WF because it's not my market, I don't like it and therefore I don't sell there. There are many reasons why one does or does not sell on a given marketplace.

      Regards,
      Vas.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by vip-ip View Post

        Even more potential speculation?! Sounds like WF's specialty! What exactly is my "track record," Mr. Baxter? "Pump and dump" is a term used for stocks, this is the wrong forum.

        I don't launch on the WF because it's not my market, I don't like it and therefore I don't sell there. There are many reasons why one does or does not sell on a given marketplace.

        Regards,
        Vas.

        You don't launch on the WF because this would be pulled as soon as the real owner of this software lodged a complaint.

        Look at this if you want proof of who is ripping off who. From WPBAKERY




        From WP ViCom



        What a sham. You even have wpbakery listed as support to the stolen plugin you sell. I read the license agreement and nowhere does it say that you can transfer the source files to the customer or sell it as a standalone product, as you are clearly doing on your website. The license supports it being incorporated into a larger product only.
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  • Profile picture of the author peterj
    Michael should be (If he hasn't done so already) reporting him to PayPal, his hosting company and any other relevant parties and anyone who purchased should be refunding.

    Edit: Nowhere in the above license does it grant you the rights to sell resell rights, vas.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Baxter
    Let me explain in very simple terms why this is piracy.

    In the license Vas quoted (below), it quite clearly states the extended license is purchased for use in a THEME (Theme Name: WP ViCom)

    YET

    Vas clearly states in his sales particulars:

    "All in one hassle free award winning PLUGIN...." (see screencap here: http://i.imgur.com/L0AhQIt.jpg)

    Seems like a slam-dunk to me in Michael's favor.

    LICENCE CERTIFICATE : Envato Marketplace Item ==============================================

    This document certifies the purchase of: ONE IN STOCK USAGE LICENSE this means that Michael M, WPBakery granted you with a permission to use Visual Composer in your own stock template that will be for sale at ThemeForest.

    Licensor's Author Username: VasBlagodarskiy
    Theme Name: WP ViCom
    Licensee: Michael M, WPBakery

    For the item: Visual Composer for WordPress WordPress - Visual Composer: Page Builder for WordPress | CodeCanyon
    Item ID: 242431
    Item Purchase Code: 7561f8f4-2066-42fa-953c-dc4011696f78
    Purchase Date: 2014-07-01 09:10:34
    Michael M, WPBakery
    ==== THIS IS NOT A TAX RECEIPT OR INVOICE ====
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  • Profile picture of the author ProEFI
    I am one of those affiliates that Jesus contacted. I know and trust Mark's judgement and immediately pulled down my affiliate link (and offered a make up bonus for those that may have purchased through my link).

    Regardless of if this is true or not, I will no recommend this product to my customers for numerous reasons.

    This smells bad for so many reasons. As a software creator and someone who values his customers, I would never want to benefit at the risk of a possible financial loss for my subscribers or the financial loss of a fellow product creator (wpbakery).

    Andrew Hunter
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    • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
      I respect each individual affiliate's own choice to promote or to not promote certain offers based on numerous criteria.

      Andrew: let me say one more time - Michael M and WP Bakery were paid a hefty sum for this project and they were made aware of it many weeks ago. My license was attached earlier.

      Here's the "full disclosure" that I feel like the public needs to understand and wants to hear. Since Michael isn't saying the truth on this thread himself, at least I will. I hired third party programmers to offer a theme paired with four different plugins, authored by two different authors. That means four separate development teams put in effort to make WP ViCom - a GPL software - possible. One: Michael M. Two: another third party plugin developer. Three: my own developers. Four: theme team. It was a strategic investment that happened to pay off, but contrary to the general look and feel of this thread, that doesn't mean the original authors were cut out of the loop, cheated or otherwise treated unfairly.

      Let me be clear: all programmers got paid the fees for the work and the licenses that they rightfully possessed. Moving forward, we will not be launching any more products without physical proof of resell rights (i.e., ink on paper, with signatures).

      I have nothing further to say on the matter. I have no more comment; every fact has been presented, every license code has been published for public verification. Enjoy your weekend everyone - and to the affiliates who stopped promoting the product (many of whom have worked with me before), I hope this message has helped clarify this mess of a miscommunication.

      Regards,
      Vas.
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      • Profile picture of the author mixey
        Originally Posted by vip-ip View Post

        Andrew: let me say one more time - Michael M and WP Bakery were paid a hefty sum for this project and they were made aware of it many weeks ago. My license was attached earlier.
        You purchased extended licenses for my items. But that doesn't grant you with rights to do what you are doing. "hefty sum" in Vas's world is $250.

        Originally Posted by vip-ip View Post

        That means four separate development teams put in effort to make WP ViCom - a GPL software - possible
        Why on earth you are ignoring the fact that original Visual Composer is sold under split license? And you can't just through away parts that you don't like and that are inconvenient to you? In addition, it doesn't matter how many people are involved in a legal crime it still is a crime.

        Originally Posted by mixey View Post

        3) You have stolen images from our description page and are using them on your sales page. I've never, gave my permission to anyone to use them. We designed them for our own purposes. They are not in the zip file you download from CodeCanyon, you simply stolen them.

        4) In your video, you are using parts from videos that are available in our Video academy, again, there are released under the license which doesn't allow commercial use. So again, you stolen them.
        You are ignoring this... why? Again, isn't convenient to face the real facts?

        From: Extended License | CodeCanyon
        You can't re-distribute the Item as stock, in a tool or template, or with source files. You can't do this with an Item either on its own or bundled with other items, and even if you modify the Item. You can't re-distribute or make available the Item as-is or with superficial modifications.
        You are referring to the email that my automatic system sent out, when you applied for In stock license... But it looks like you never read it. "in your own stock template that will be for sale at ThemeForest" You are not selling a theme (at least you say that on your landing page), "your" plugin is nothing without my Visual Composer and you are distributing it against the license you are referring too...
        Code:
        LICENCE CERTIFICATE : Envato Marketplace Item
        ==============================================
        
        This document certifies the purchase of:
        
        ONE IN STOCK USAGE LICENSE
        
        this means that Michael M, WPBakery granted you with a permission to use Visual Composer in your own stock template that will be for sale at ThemeForest.
        
        Licensor's Author Username: VasBlagodarskiy
        Theme Name: WP ViCom
        Licensee: Michael M, WPBakery
        
        For the item:
        Visual Composer for WordPress
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        • Profile picture of the author Viking24
          I purchased this before I found this page. It doesn't look very good, and in best case it's very unethical to do what Vas is doing. I thought I purchased a license to a product the seller had produced himself, and now I feel very bad about it. I will issue a refund for it.

          I found out about this because it mentioned being the #1 visual editor selling on Envato, but there's nothing listed under the name WP ViCom on Envato (CodeCanyon/ThemeForest), so I googled it and found out about the history of the plugin from this place.

          If the FE isn't badly violating copyright, the upsell must be the worst violation where the full White Label & Master Resell Rights to everything is sold for $97 including the following rights at http://wpvicom.com/oto.html (You can't sell or purchase rights to something that's stolen).
          • Can be given away
          • Can be packaged with other products
          • Can be offered as a bonus
          • Can be edited completely and your name put on it
          • Can be used as web content
          • Can be simplified or broken down into new products
          • Can be added to an e-course or autoresponder
          • Can be added to membership sites
          • Can sell Resale Rights
          • Can sell Master Resale Rights
          • Can be offered through auction sites
          Can be simplified or broken down into new products must mean that you can do whatever you like to do with the code. This is obviousely far more than just rebundling someone else's product as your own, and no software license on Envato allows this if the code/product was developed/sold by someone else. If anyone could sell other developers products legally, noone would spend timeless hours and money to develop anything.


          @Michael/WPBakery I think you should contact both PayPal and JVZoo about this as they both handle the WP ViCom sale.


          I hope this case is followed through both Envato's legal department, and every other participating party, including PayPal and JVZoo. If Vas has done everything in compliance with the licenses as he claims, he has nothing to fear from such an investigation. Right?
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      • Profile picture of the author ProEFI
        Originally Posted by vip-ip View Post

        I respect each individual affiliate's own choice to promote or to not promote certain offers based on numerous criteria.

        Andrew: let me say one more time - Michael M and WP Bakery were paid a hefty sum for this project and they were made aware of it many weeks ago. My license was attached earlier.

        Here's the "full disclosure" that I feel like the public needs to understand and wants to hear. Since Michael isn't saying the truth on this thread himself, at least I will. I hired third party programmers to offer a theme paired with four different plugins, authored by two different authors. That means four separate development teams put in effort to make WP ViCom - a GPL software - possible. One: Michael M. Two: another third party plugin developer. Three: my own developers. Four: theme team. It was a strategic investment that happened to pay off, but contrary to the general look and feel of this thread, that doesn't mean the original authors were cut out of the loop, cheated or otherwise treated unfairly.

        Let me be clear: all programmers got paid the fees for the work and the licenses that they rightfully possessed. Moving forward, we will not be launching any more products without physical proof of resell rights (i.e., ink on paper, with signatures).

        I have nothing further to say on the matter. I have no more comment; every fact has been presented, every license code has been published for public verification. Enjoy your weekend everyone - and to the affiliates who stopped promoting the product (many of whom have worked with me before), I hope this message has helped clarify this mess of a miscommunication.

        Regards,
        Vas.
        2 things...

        1. You have interpreted the license terms incorrectly.
        2. I have never promoted you in the past... and likely will never again promote you in the future.

        This is BAD business on your part.
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      • Profile picture of the author Leadzguy
        Originally Posted by vip-ip View Post

        I respect each individual affiliate's own choice to promote or to not promote certain offers based on numerous criteria.

        Andrew: let me say one more time - Michael M and WP Bakery were paid a hefty sum for this project and they were made aware of it many weeks ago. My license was attached earlier.

        Here's the "full disclosure" that I feel like the public needs to understand and wants to hear. Since Michael isn't saying the truth on this thread himself, at least I will. I hired third party programmers to offer a theme paired with four different plugins, authored by two different authors. That means four separate development teams put in effort to make WP ViCom - a GPL software - possible. One: Michael M. Two: another third party plugin developer. Three: my own developers. Four: theme team. It was a strategic investment that happened to pay off, but contrary to the general look and feel of this thread, that doesn't mean the original authors were cut out of the loop, cheated or otherwise treated unfairly.

        Let me be clear: all programmers got paid the fees for the work and the licenses that they rightfully possessed. Moving forward, we will not be launching any more products without physical proof of resell rights (i.e., ink on paper, with signatures).

        I have nothing further to say on the matter. I have no more comment; every fact has been presented, every license code has been published for public verification. Enjoy your weekend everyone - and to the affiliates who stopped promoting the product (many of whom have worked with me before), I hope this message has helped clarify this mess of a miscommunication.

        Regards,
        Vas.
        Vas you responded to everything BUT the question of support and updates.Since it's pretty obvious that WPBakery has no interest in your plugin please answer the following questions otherwise I feel sure there's going to be a flood of refunds:
        1. Will there be support and who will be providing it?
        2. Do you intend to provide updates to this plugin or not?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
          Originally Posted by Leadzguy View Post

          Vas you responded to everything BUT the question of support and updates.Since it's pretty obvious that WPBakery has no interest in your plugin please answer the following questions otherwise I feel sure there's going to be a flood of refunds:
          1. Will there be support and who will be providing it?
          2. Do you intend to provide updates to this plugin or not?
          LMAO, are you serious? WPBakery has no interest in supporting it because Vas took their code, images, and videos:

          Originally Posted by mixey View Post

          What Vas is doing is illegal and he puts a lot of people in very compromised position.

          So why it is illegal?
          1) There's no license on CodeCanyon that will allow you to simply combine multiple plugins together and sell them as "uber cool unique product". If you zipped them together, doesn't make you an author.

          2) "he has said that "GPL is nonsense. There is no option for GPL on CodeCanyon for Visual Composer" Items on CodeCanyon are sold under the split license. Why and what does it means? a) This is done to make it legal and follow GPL license that WordPress originally have. And that means that php and html code that is WordPress related are covered with GPL license, because WordPress released them as GPL. All other resources eg: images, css, less, javascript, ..., are covered with other license that is available on CodeCanyon ("single use" or "Extended license"). Period. Looks like you are magician, and somehow changed other part of license to gpl... not sure how that is possible.

          3) You have stolen images from our description page and are using them on your sales page. I've never, gave my permission to anyone to use them. We designed them for our own purposes. They are not in the zip file you download from CodeCanyon, you simply stolen them.

          4) In your video, you are using parts from videos that are available in our Video academy, again, there are released under the license which doesn't allow commercial use. So again, you stolen them.

          5) In private emails to you. I wrote: "I'm not giving you my permission to use WPBakery name in your wildcat venture. And please don't think that we are partners... We will never be partners - trust me." Why the heck you still refer to our "collaboration"? And put our good name in compromised position?

          Vas is screaming on every corner that he's doing it all legally and with support from us. BS! Vas is lying... It doesn't matter how bad you want it to be legal, it still not!
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  • Profile picture of the author Yvon Boulianne
    I`v read the thread carefully and i can say for sure that there`s 2 choice here:

    1- The wp vicom author have and IQ of 50
    2- They are not honest people

    That`s very evident that someone can't buy a license like that and do what they do with the code, seriously stop trying to defend yourself, you are wrong, that`s all.
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  • Profile picture of the author myronbernard
    Hello and this is my first post with WF. I find this thread interesting as I was about to purchase the vicom plugin and popped the name into Google and this thread became a topic of interest for me.
    The reason being, because of a plugin that I recently purchase called WP Aviari - (which I should be refunded for). But no success in support reply, as of now.

    I would never want to hurt someone's income stream, but there should always be a element of
    trust in the game.

    So it's funny to read this thread and the same NAME appears with the same problem that I encountered with WP Aviari - i.e. (Yesterday's launch was a HUGE SUCCESS so this one
    limited-time offer is still rocking. Still confused about WP Aviary?)
    FYI, watch the spelling.

    While trying to get my key I run into a problem with Aviary vs. Aviari. I started to try and solve this problem and wrote the the creator of the plug in, who wrote me back after inquiring what the problem was with the plugin and ask for a purchase number.

    "Hi Myron, thanks for sending me the details of your purchase.
    However I'm not related in any way to the site you purchased from. I'm quite upset because not only those guys are selling my plugin in contrast with the license but they're also leaving my contact inside the plugin."


    IN closing.
    VAS, I don't know what to believe. But if you are associated with this product, I won't go there. I just know what I have personally experience since your 4th of July sale. Which is why I now am on this thread with my comments. And may not have written if your name had not appeared.
    I'm a marketer and consultant working on my craft investing in a tool to grow my business and help others. So for me, it's about being straight-up and respectful in the game.
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  • Profile picture of the author Viking24
    Regarding the OTO with Master Resell Rights, I now get notifications in my inbox that other people are beginning to release WP Vicom as their own products on JVZoo. I think that it's important that JVZoo get notified about this before everyone starts to sell this. It's being spread all around the web as wildfire as more and more people are picking up the OTO...
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  • Profile picture of the author shanepax23
    Hey everyone, I don't know what to think about this. I did buy the resell rights to wp vicom. I really though that wp bakery or Michael (I don't know this person) was a part of this offer. I don't know what to do about it so if any of you have suggestions please let me know.

    If it's true that Michael did not know about this or say it was ok then it is wrong obviously. The one thing I noticed just today is the images on the sales page.

    The thing is you can't get mad at people who purchased white label license and are reselling it. I mean, I had no idea. I had never heard of the plugin or wp bakery ect...

    As far as the legal thing, it would be hard for wp bakery to have a legal stance because of wordpress licensing.

    I'm just trying to figure out the deal on this.

    I'm just going to take my site down because I think that's the best thing to do.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
      Originally Posted by shanepax23 View Post

      As far as the legal thing, it would be hard for wp bakery to have a legal stance because of wordpress licensing.
      The legalities of Wordpress and GPL was already touched on in the thread:

      "There is no option for GPL on CodeCanyon for Visual Composer" Items on CodeCanyon are sold under the split license. Why and what does it means? a) This is done to make it legal and follow GPL license that WordPress originally have. And that means that php and html code that is WordPress related are covered with GPL license, because WordPress released them as GPL. All other resources eg: images, css, less, javascript, ..., are covered with other license that is available on CodeCanyon ("single use" or "Extended license"). Period."

      Originally Posted by shanepax23 View Post

      The thing is you can't get mad at people who purchased white label license and are reselling it. I mean, I had no idea.
      It's not your fault. A lot of resellers are going to run into issues...

      I also have no idea how you (or any reseller) plan on supporting your customers considering Vas lists support as support.wpbakery.com on the sales page he sold you which uses stolen images.

      Michael from WPBakery:

      Originally Posted by mixey View Post

      What Vas is doing is illegal and he puts a lot of people in very compromised position.
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      • Profile picture of the author shanepax23
        Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post

        The legalities of Wordpress and GPL was already touched on in the thread:

        "There is no option for GPL on CodeCanyon for Visual Composer" Items on CodeCanyon are sold under the split license. Why and what does it means? a) This is done to make it legal and follow GPL license that WordPress originally have. And that means that php and html code that is WordPress related are covered with GPL license, because WordPress released them as GPL. All other resources eg: images, css, less, javascript, ..., are covered with other license that is available on CodeCanyon ("single use" or "Extended license"). Period."





        It's not your fault. A lot of resellers are going to run into issues...

        I also have no idea how you (or any reseller) plan on supporting your customers considering Vas lists support as support.wpbakery.com on the sales page he sold you which uses stolen images.

        Michael from WPBakery:
        I had no idea who these people were. I didn't know what "wp bakery" was.

        You know what I mean? I had no idea that there were 2 separate groups and I'm sure that all of the other people who bought the resell rights had no idea either.
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        • Profile picture of the author shanepax23
          And all of the affiliates that promoted it. It's not their fault either. They had no idea about any of this.

          It's not jvzoo's fault either I don't think people who purchased the plugin from a reseller like myself should go to pay pal or jvzoo complaining.

          If anyone says that "they need to go after jvzoo" that's crap. I've seen people say that and that's crazy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
    Originally Posted by shanepax23 View Post

    I don't think people who purchased the plugin from a reseller like myself should go to pay pal or jvzoo complaining.
    I agree that affiliates or resellers had no idea. I mentioned about not blaming affiliates in the first post.

    But who do you think customers are going to turn to when they contact Michael for support and he tells them he's not supporting it because it's an illegal copy?

    Who are they going to turn to? They are going right back to the site they purchased the plugin from.

    Then what are YOU going to do as a reseller?

    Look at what someone said in this thread about the last plugin he purchased that Vas released when he went to get support:

    Originally Posted by myronbernard View Post

    I wrote the the creator of the plug in, who wrote me back after inquiring what the problem was with the plugin and ask for a purchase number.

    "Hi Myron, thanks for sending me the details of your purchase.
    However I'm not related in any way to the site you purchased from. I'm quite upset because not only those guys are selling my plugin in contrast with the license but they're also leaving my contact inside the plugin."
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    • Profile picture of the author shanepax23
      Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post

      I agree that affiliates or resellers had no idea. I mentioned about not blaming affiliates in the first post.

      But who do you think customers are going to turn to when they contact Michael for support and he tells them he's not supporting it because it's an illegal copy?

      Who are they going to turn to? They are going right back to the site they purchased the plugin from.

      Then what are YOU going to do as a reseller?

      This is not some far fetched scenario...

      Look at what someone said in this thread about the last plugin he purchased that Vas released when he went to get support:
      You are right, as a reseller you won't be able to offer support unless you know how to work on plugins.

      As a person who purchase resell rights, I thought I was buying from someone called wp bakery and that they would support the plugin.

      Why in the world would he put that on the sales page... that support would be from wp bakery if the wp bakery guys weren't in on the offer. That's crazy.

      On the sales page, it says "in cooperation with wp bakery". I noticed that but I had no idea what that meant.

      It all boils down to the point that this should have never been released like it was and even more so the resell rights because like you said, that pretty much screws the resellers.

      I've already sent out an email to my list explaining the situation so I guess you just have to move forward.

      I chose to pull down the offer and I guess each person will do what they want to do about it.

      I agree with everything you've said here
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    To All Concerned Parties:

    Under normal circumstances, JVZoo would not get involved in disputes regarding copyright or licensing issues, without being served a properly formatted DMCA takedown notice or court order. We have adopted this mindset because we could not possibly have all of the information necessary to make judgement without, what would equate to, a mini trial. However, we are making an exception for this case.

    In a perfect world, the two parties would resolve their disputes privately and we would honor the decision of the parties, a presiding court, law enforcement, or a government agency. This is not a perfect world and this is certainly not being resolved privately. With that in mind, in accordance with our user terms of service, we have made the decision to remove this product from the JVZoo marketplace until a time when we hear from both parties that there is a green light to reinstate the product. This decision should be considered final.

    We wish all parties the best of luck in coming to a quick and painless resolution.

    Warmest Regards,
    E. Brian Rose & the JVZoo Team
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  • Profile picture of the author ProEFI
    Well played JVZoo... well played.

    Professional all the way.
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