Easy Sales Video Course? What do you think?

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Anyone bought Keith Wellman's course? Any opinions out there?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Wagoner
    Sorry, I said "Easy Sales Video" instead of "Easy Sales Formula".
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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      Originally Posted by rawagoner View Post

      Sorry, I said "Easy Sales Video" instead of "Easy Sales Formula".
      Hello

      It's a product from Keith Wellman.

      Anything has Keith Wellman's name on it I just consider it a big red flag, stay away from this guy and whatever he offers, he never offers anything valuable or worthy..
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      • Profile picture of the author Learnanew
        Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

        Hello

        It's a product from Keith Wellman.

        Anything has Keith Wellman's name on it I just consider it a big red flag, stay away from this guy and whatever he offers, he never offers anything valuable or worthy..
        Ahmed
        Really? When I watched that video I was completely wowed, the concept of doing a video and then linking straight to the checkout after completely wowed the crap out of me, never thought of doing that at all, it's gonna change the way people promote CB via PPC for sure.

        His methods might be a bit black-hat (Cookie Stuffing when they come to your video page) but if I was able to learn all of that from the free video, I can't imagine what the actual course will be like.

        I'll stand by until I see some reviews of people who have bought it, but it looks pretty good to me.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mitch Miller
          Originally Posted by Learnanew View Post

          Really? When I watched that video I was completely wowed, the concept of doing a video and then linking straight to the checkout after completely wowed the crap out of me, never thought of doing that at all, it's gonna change the way people promote CB via PPC for sure.
          Why is that such a ground breaking concept? People have been doing that for quite some time, and this will really "wow" you.... you don't need to drop five bills to learn how to do it.

          What does it say when a guy drops his price by 75% an hour and a half into his launch? I think you might find that strategy in his "desperation marketing" module.

          Anybody that is thinking about spending a dime with this guy should search the forum for the thread involving his last product.
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          • Profile picture of the author TheMGMProject
            I have to say i agree that his original video he posted was pretty impressive, and judging by the fact that I had only picked it up after seeing it in the Alexa top 5 for that day, an awful lot of people must have seen it.

            Then... the next thing i know is that a week later my inbox is being bombarded with affiliate promo crap from all over the place trying to get me to sub out to watch his latest video.

            I'm wondering if maybe the success of the original video surprised even Keith and so now he's pulled it and trying to rope people into paying to watch it, via his affiliate network?

            Regardless of his tactics i bet his optin list from that video went ballistic!
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  • Profile picture of the author B3n
    Agree with goldmind123 100%.

    Do a Google search for the name Keith Wellman. On the first page are several reports of his extremely poor attitude, dubious product quality and seriously lacking customer service. Ripoffreport.com is a great place to go after that, just search for Wellman's name on there.
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    • Profile picture of the author B3n
      Originally Posted by fxmarketing View Post

      Over 30,000 people were waiting in line, hundreds of comments came in from people asking to buy it at the $1997 price.
      Apart from the problem I have with this post - I don't actually believe that Keith is writing it, the spelling is correct and the poster is keeping calm - I have real problems in believing anything that Keith says.

      I caught him out lying several times to me via email - really silly lies - when he could've just said sorry and provided what he promised.

      Keith, how is it that "hundreds" of people can reach you just before launch but there were countless people who had to resort to complaining on this forum because you or your staff ignored their pleas for help shortly after that "autopilot" fiasco? And these were pleas they sent through your customer service website.

      Do you remember that particular post Keith? It was the one which led to your banning from this forum.

      And ripoffreport can't be THAT wrong. 16 people saying exactly the same thing about the service they received from you. I can't remember seeing any other "big names" in the IM industry with that many complaints.

      Let's just hope your big SEO effort pays off for you and you can force those reports and reviews of your terrible service and dubious products off the first page of Google.

      I've spoken to people at offline events about you and it's never good. Stunningly, many have been treated even worse than me when they dealt with you.
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    • Profile picture of the author kemdev
      Originally Posted by fxmarketing View Post


      The video skinning method IS new and if you can show me 1 person who has done it before me, I'll paypal you $500 right now.
      Didn't that guy from Bullet Cash Method use it when he launched? I
      could be mistaken, however.

      Either way. This is the review section, so people are entitled to their
      opinion.

      ...But isn't it a little hard to bash a course that you yourself have not
      personally reviewed? To me, it just seems like people are giving bad
      reviews to the course based on assumptions and past purchased
      records.


      All the best,

      Jesse Kemmerer
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      • Profile picture of the author Bigdadda
        Originally Posted by Jesse Kemmerer View Post


        ...But isn't it a little hard to bash a course that you yourself have not
        personally reviewed? To me, it just seems like people are giving bad
        reviews to the course based on assumptions and past purchased
        records.


        All the best,

        Jesse Kemmerer
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        Fair point. I'm commenting based on the information contained in the free videos, etc. that Wellman published. Assuming that's the model, there's nothing that warrants a $500 price tag. That's my opinion.

        BTW, I googled Keith Wellman and checked out the complaints in several of the listings. Wow, there are some brutal stories there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mitch Miller
    I had watched the video where you explained why you lowered the price, and I didn't buy it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bigdadda
    The Easy Sales Forumula model seems remarkably unremarkable. It's pretty standard fare that isn't worth anything near $500.
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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      Originally Posted by fxmarketing View Post

      Very interesting post

      Yes you are correct, there was a few customers that were sent here by a customer that had a problem because we wouldn't refund him, he asked those people to come here and complain.

      I never lied to you about anything and for you to say that shows how low you will stoop to get other people here to take your side.

      Bigdadda, it's responsible now for over $12,000,000 in sales...

      How does that not warrent a couple grand to learn it?

      I'd be curious to find out what you WOULD pay for lol.

      Keith

      I can't believe this..

      How this guy is showing up again in this forum??

      Wasn't he BANNED from this forum?? what happened for this to change??

      And for Keith, you really don't deserve a response for what you're saying..but for those who don't know you..they must be informed that you're just a scammer who scammed hundreds of people (not few customers as you claim) and run with their money(I still keep emails received from you and your stuff clearly refusing to refund my money that I paid for Autopilot garbage).

      How on earth you dare to show up again and talk as a legit marketer?

      I'm really pissed off

      For everyone, the problem with this guy wasn't about a bad product he introduced, many marketers may pass through this, but the problem was his behavior towards the complaints, he never respected his money back guarantee, didn't respect the refund request while he absolutely knew his product didn't worth a dime...

      Keep away from him..

      And for the WF moderators, I (among most of the forum members) treat this forum as our community, so please respect us this time, I posted before warning people from this guy but you just deleted my posts, and I understood this then, but now as he got the chance to show up again, I and everyone else scammed by him must got the same chance to clarify his claims...

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  • Profile picture of the author Mitch Miller
    LOL- Keith, have you thought about a pen name?
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  • Profile picture of the author B3n
    Keith, I'm no idiot and I wouldn't say it if I didn't have the proof to back up my claims.

    When I finally got your attention you made up some very silly excuses and wild accusations about certain members of your staff. When I checked with them I found the claims to be, let's just say, not quite true.

    Do you want me to go into details?
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by .Ben. View Post

      Keith, I'm no idiot and I wouldn't say it if I didn't have the proof to back up my claims.

      When I finally got your attention you made up some very silly excuses and wild accusations about certain members of your staff. When I checked with them I found the claims to be, let's just say, not quite true.

      Do you want me to go into details?
      I don't know or care what Keith wants, but in the interest of warning others, I think a full disclosure of all his lies and misdeeds is appropriate (if anyone has time to read such a ginormous list!) In other words, bring on the details. Those warriors that are afraid of any negative information can go to a positive thinking thread instead.
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    • Profile picture of the author tdh1969
      go into details.....please
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  • Profile picture of the author Good News Now
    I am not in any sense affiliate or promoting this product. I did not get it. I am busy with my personal IM projects.

    But honestly, the concept video that Keith freely presented was terrific.

    Try to Google and you won't find anything close to this concept.

    Again, as far as the product I did not get and I can't comment on it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Lifechanging
    Wow, things have got pretty heated in here! Clearly some people are still p***ed about an older product, and I don't blame you for that.

    However, my view is... and I'll leave my views on what I see as vastly inflated profits in the sales video out of it for now...

    The concept is good, albeit not unique, it is moving into an area that clearly google is big in. Video is the way forward. Pick a keyword and search for it... I often see terrible videos in the top 3, out ranking sites with excellent PR, backlinks, etc. People put all this effort into SEO and then get out ranked by a crappy YouTube video.

    However YouTube isn't geared up for sales (e.g. your own) and this where this product comes in.

    I don't agree that he dropped his price 1.5 hours in, I'd say it was 2 days before. I think the high value was a ploy... it made it seem cheap at $497 (or that was the intention).

    Now here's a thing, Harris Felman has backed this all the way and the guy doesn't do that so much these days. He has put his name on the line for this one, u think he'd do that if he didn't rate the product and / or Wellman?

    I'm tempted to give it a go, whats the worst that can happen? If I try it and its not any good I'll ask for a refund. If Wellman doesn't honor it, I raise it with the creditcard company, where is the risk?

    Mitch Miller "The BS Detector", joined June 2009, 20 posts? You don't talk or seem like a noob, got an axe to grind? Rival product maybe? Just saying...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mitch Miller
    No axe to grind here. Just calling it like I see it. What's the harm you ask? The harm is bad marketers giving the rest of us a bad rep. Once people are burned they are much less likely to purchase again. Most don't take the position that you do.

    As far as me being a newbie, I am not sure what gave you that impression? A forum join date? Post count? Where is the logic in that?

    As far as your Harris comment, he has been a part of this circle for a long time as well. What do you expect him to say? He is a guy that put up a video talking about how he went into a state of depression because he couldn't come up with his next product launch. My question on that was why not just do the things you are teaching others to do? Can't you just make money from that? Maybe it was because he wasn't doing the stuff he taught?

    I have no axe to grind. I do very well for myself. I just get sick and tired of these guys coming out with launch after launch of over priced, recycled crap. When are people going to get a clue?
    Send them an email. I'll be shocked if you get a response. Try to get some customer support after the sale. It won't happen because they don't give two shits about you. They are already moving towards the next launch. You are a number.

    There are so many legitimate marketers/teachers out there that really care if you make it. Unfortunately most of them refuse to deal in this sensationalism and over hyping (fraud) of their products. and they therefore don't achieve the high profile that some of these other guys do. Let's face it, most people are looking for the magic button that does not exist. These guys know it doesn't exist as well. But they are perfectly willing to package up their bullshit in such a way that it appears as that magic bullet and they are more than willing to sell that dream to the starry eyed newbie.

    Am I out to save the newbs? No I am afraid that most of them can't be saved from themselves. But this guy here has a lot of balls to come in here like this after what he pulled the last round. Many people kiss their ass in hopes that someday, maybe just someday they will give them that JV that will send them to guruland themselves. I don't.

    As far as his price drop being two days ahead of launch that can easily be disproven as the videos he had up were all stating the 2g price tag right through to the launch.
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  • Profile picture of the author Good News Now
    Yes, good ponts...This bothers me too when I see so called "Guru's" claim their huge profits and how super rich they are and when it comes to the product they seem like overcharging those desperate newbies who are trying to make some money online.

    I see that many times those sale tricks and content value of the product is SO exaggerated.
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  • Profile picture of the author AskShawn
    I will put my unbiased 2cents in...

    I have not bought any product from Keith Wellman yet. Not because of any bad experience but because I just never got around to doing it.

    Now Keith! - You are a grown ass man so you have to make a decision of what you are going to do. And just like I said it's just my 2cents. But something needs to be done because this issue is causing too much controversy and drama (the bad type) BAD BLOOD!

    What I would do with this product is just plum drop the price to $77 or $97. Go ahead and break even on this one.. Or in comparison to what you would like to charge ($1997) just go ahead and take a loss.

    The problem here its that you got people who may have legitimate complaints. You have people here who may haters (the jealous ones) and you have people that are SCARED TO DEATH and don't know what to think

    Regardless, We are all marketers here trying to make a living off of products, services, knowledge and skills that we feel passionate about.

    All this negative publicity is not good for business... IMHO it hurts the game..

    Keith! I would just drop the price. Don't change the product or take anything out. Just drop the price and make this product the lowest cost and best product you ever made...

    On your next product charge people the price you want- $1997 - $4,997. Whatever you want to charge. This way you can end all this drama..

    If you do this the way I suggest - you will be fine! People can be very forgiving when the "Leader Is Humble" Then again! Just my 2cents..
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    • Profile picture of the author konradbraun
      I very much agree... or at least go back and settle your previous issues with a tenfold repayment. Sure you don't have to, but like you said, you are making all this money online, its time to get your name cleared if product creation is something you want to continue doing.

      I am no one to speak, but just looking out for you Keith. The virtue of wealth doesn't go past the grave, the legacy however does, and do what it takes... humble yourself and clear up your errors and I am sure you can turn a not so happy customer in to someone giving you a positive review.

      Again... sometimes you gotta do what it takes!

      Best of luck with the launch otherwise!

      Originally Posted by AskShawn View Post

      I will put my unbiased 2cents in...

      I have not bought any product from Keith Wellman yet. Not because of any bad experience but because I just never got around to doing it.

      Now Keith! - You are a grown ass man so you have to make a decision of what you are going to do. And just like I said it's just my 2cents. But something needs to be done because this issue is causing too much controversy and drama (the bad type) BAD BLOOD!

      What I would do with this product is just plum drop the price to $77 or $97. Go ahead and break even on this one.. Or in comparison to what you would like to charge ($1997) just go ahead and take a loss.

      The problem here its that you got people who may have legitimate complaints. You have people here who may haters (the jealous ones) and you have people that are SCARED TO DEATH and don't know what to think

      Regardless, We are all marketers here trying to make a living off of products, services, knowledge and skills that we feel passionate about.

      All this negative publicity is not good for business... IMHO it hurts the game..

      Keith! I would just drop the price. Don't change the product or take anything out. Just drop the price and make this product the lowest cost and best product you ever made...

      On your next product charge people the price you want- $1997 - $4,997. Whatever you want to charge. This way you can end all this drama..

      If you do this the way I suggest and you will be fine. People can be very forgiving when the "Leader Is Humble" Then again! Just my 2cents..
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      • Profile picture of the author pixguy
        What I would like to know is...
        Clickbank specifically says that if you use Iframes promoting there products... you will get banned.
        Keith can you comment on this? and why you are promoting using Iframes?
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        • Profile picture of the author Barry
          So, is there anyone out there who can give an honest
          assessment of the product?

          It really does look like an interesting, and if the conversion
          numbers are true, a great way to promote any product.

          My concern is that when the hordes of people buy this
          product that you will see this style of marketing all over
          and you most likely see a tremendous drop in efficiency
          of the method.

          Just my thoughts.

          BTW, I was recently scammed by some internet "guru's"
          and got a full refund.

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        • Profile picture of the author pixguy
          Originally Posted by pixguy View Post

          What I would like to know is...
          Clickbank specifically says that if you use Iframes promoting there products... you will get banned.
          Keith can you comment on this? and why you are promoting using Iframes?

          Any comment?
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          • Profile picture of the author blogsy
            I think video sales promotions work ... for now ... but I think people are quickly going to get very sick of slow loading videos that you don't know how long they are, that can't be paused, that end up saying not $5000.00, not $1997.00, not even $1200.00 Bla Bla Bla, come on, are buyers that going to continually get sucked in by that crap, I guess time will tell.

            My guess that after a while as soon as a sales pitch starts out this way, people will click out. But a lot of money will still be made from the unwary, as always.
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            • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
              The course is good content. It's very step-by-step.

              I've used portions of it for a few weeks in my (non-IM) niches and have seen improvements from 50% increase to nearly 500% increase.

              About people getting sick of videos... it's the same as any "IM trick" ... people always say that it won't work because people are sick of it already.

              But that only applies to the IM niche. If you're in any other niche (which you should be) then it works fine.

              If you use the "bad news" subject line outside IM, it works great.

              People are already used to the sales videos in IM - and they don't work as well - but outside IM visitors have never seen anything like it.
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              • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
                Also, about a refund... I never understand what the problem is with getting a refund from ANYONE.

                Take a print out of the page clearly explaining the "unconditional guarantee"

                If you REALLY think the product is not worth the money then put in a refund request. Give them a few weeks to sort it out (this is important, because things are hectic after a launch)

                If you don't get it, go to your credit card company.
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                • Profile picture of the author A Bary
                  Originally Posted by NathanFalkner View Post

                  My random theories:

                  1) The customer lacks self-esteem (feels like they'd be doing
                  something "wrong" to pursue a formal chargeback with their
                  credit card provider).

                  2) The customer is ignorant (doesn't even know that they can
                  pursue a claim against the seller via their credit card company).

                  3) The customer suffers from mental problems and enjoys the
                  process of complaining about not getting a refund instead of
                  actively investigating alternative channels through which to
                  get a refund if the seller fails to provide one in a timely manner.

                  Who knows for sure?

                  And what about adding another option: the customer lives outside U.S. and requesting a charge back from cc company is impossible because it involves overseas operation that the cc companies in some countries don't simply offer?

                  Please, don't judge others without knowing the full circumcstances
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                  • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                    Hi,

                    And what about adding another option: the customer buys through paypal using direct bank withdrawal rather than a credit card?

                    Or the buyer uses paypal, has 1 pence left in their account balance, this is used and the credit card is used to top up the amount, meaning that the credit card company cannot do a chargeback because the full amount of the purchase was not charged to the credit card?

                    It's a good product - worth adding your email to the list to get info on it re-opening - doesn't commit you to anything. Don't know what price it will be next time around though.
                    I wonder who Amanda_Davis actually is? 'She' appears in a lot of threads in this part of the forum, giving positive reviews on 'certain types' of products.
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                    • Profile picture of the author malcasid
                      Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                      Hi,

                      And what about adding another option: the customer buys through paypal using direct bank withdrawal rather than a credit card?

                      Or the buyer uses paypal, has 1 pence left in their account balance, this is used and the credit card is used to top up the amount, meaning that the credit card company cannot do a chargeback because the full amount of the purchase was not charged to the credit card?



                      I wonder who Amanda_Davis actually is? 'She' appears in a lot of threads in this part of the forum, giving positive reviews on 'certain types' of products.
                      What do you mean by she reviews 'certain types' of products?
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                    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                      Hi Malcasid,

                      I mean certain peoples' products.

                      Hi Nathan,

                      credit card purchases made where the seller is
                      in the U.S. and the buyer is outside the U.S. are
                      somehow not subject to any sort of buyer protection
                      mechanisms like chargebacks.
                      Unless something has changed this is untrue. I've done a chargeback of this nature. I've also seen the credit card company reverse transactions because a purchase was made fraudulently on my card by a 3rd party from a US seller.
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                    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
                      Originally Posted by NathanFalkner View Post

                      Or the buyer could mail a check or money order or
                      send a bank wire transfer or send cash in an envelope
                      to the seller -- lol -- there truly are a myriad of ways
                      in which the buyer can leave themselves unprotected,
                      no argument about that.

                      Some people just don't realize how risky making a
                      purchase in the aforementioned manners can be
                      and are probably just ignorant. After being
                      scammed once or twice after paying with "virtual
                      cash," the buyer is likely to wise up in a hurry.

                      To the extent a buyer knowingly makes a
                      purchase in the manners described above (despite
                      being aware of the risks), then the buyers is arguably
                      dumb as a rock or too trusting. They've curtailed their
                      ability to get their money back in the event the seller
                      is unscrupulous and does not honor any stated money
                      back guarantee (which happens from time to time).

                      So traditionally, the safest mechanism through which
                      to make an online purchase was with a credit card
                      because of the built-in ability to dispute charges.

                      But now we're learning, according to "goldmind123,"
                      that credit card purchases made where the seller is
                      in the U.S. and the buyer is outside the U.S. are
                      somehow not subject to any sort of buyer protection
                      mechanisms like chargebacks.

                      I don't dispute this is possible, but I'd like to see
                      more documented evidence that this is true -- it would
                      essentially give crooked U.S. based sellers a license to
                      steal money from non-U.S. credit card buyers.

                      Can this really be the case in the year 2009?

                      (This is probably a great topic to be raised in the
                      main part of the forum -- a lot of non-U.S. buyers
                      would benefit from realizing any credit card purchases
                      made where the seller is based in the U.S. are not
                      subject to chargebacks, if that's actually the case.)

                      I didn't generalize it on all countries outside U.S., I currently reside in the middle east, and in these countries, online purchases and transactions are rare, that's why it' very hard to contact CC and request a charge back, for instance, Visa and Mastercard providing their services through local banks only, i.e. no Visa or Mastercard office to contact, you have to contact the local bank for any issue regarding your CC, and when I contacted the issuing bank requesting a chargeback, the bank representative made it a very hard procedure, andalot of paperwork and communications that I decided to give up.

                      It's about the "Trend" and "attitude" of the local banks more than being a legal or documentation problem.

                      That's why online purchases from some countries is a risk you take full responsibility of, and that's why it is very difficult and bitter to got scammed by someone you trusted.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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                        Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

                        when I contacted the issuing bank requesting a chargeback, the bank representative made it a very hard procedure, andalot of paperwork and communications that I decided to give up.
                        So, basically, the one who prevented you from getting a chargeback is you?

                        By the way, define " a lot". You're required to fill out paperwork and communicate with the credit card companies for chargebacks in the U.S. too. They can't just let people call and say "I got ripped off, gimme my money" without some sort of validation of the claim. They don't want the merchant to get ripped off via false claims either, which does happen.

                        Can this really be the case in the year 2009?
                        Sure, it could be the case. The rest of the world isn't subject to American law. But it's not likely the case. Even the op has restated his case. He DID in fact have the option to file a chargeback, but he gave up because he didn't want to fill out the paperwork. I guess he didn't get ripped off for very much.
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                        • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
                          Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

                          So, basically, the one who prevented you from getting a chargeback is you?

                          By the way, define " a lot". You're required to fill out paperwork and communicate with the credit card companies for chargebacks in the U.S. too. They can't just let people call and say "I got ripped off, gimme my money" without some sort of validation of the claim. They don't want the merchant to get ripped off via false claims either, which does happen.

                          Sure, it could be the case. The rest of the world isn't subject to American law. But it's not likely the case. Even the op has restated his case. He DID in fact have the option to file a chargeback, but he gave up because he didn't want to fill out the paperwork. I guess he didn't get ripped off for very much.
                          For the first time ever (since my IM career began in 2005) I filed a chargeback against
                          another somewhat well known internet marketer and a fellow warrior.

                          I purchased something from him using my Debit Card but he only accepted paypal.

                          He didn't fulfill my order nor did he respond to any email correspondence asking him what was going on (which I know he got because he's using Gmail and I @replied him on twitter and sent him a DM)

                          So out of total frustration, I decide a chargeback was the only way to go.

                          So paypal told me the only way I can get my money back since the guy is not responding
                          is to call my card issuer (in my case it was my bank).

                          So I went to my local branch and filled out some paper work and will eventually
                          get my money back.

                          Was it worth all that time just to get $247 back?

                          In this case, I surely believe it was.

                          This punk who calls himself a marketer (not Keith, some other guy who's name starts with a "K") completely played me for a fool.

                          Now where I'm from, if anyone ever does that, they get dealt with a certain way
                          that would make them regret ever screwing with me in the first place.

                          But, unfortunately, I probably will never meet this guy in person and don't feel like
                          flying to his house and embarrassing him in front of his wife and kids.

                          So, I'll just let the bank handle it and will just avoid doing business with him in the future.

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                      • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
                        Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

                        andalot of paperwork and communications that I decided to give up.
                        Right, so that's the actual problem. You couldn't be bothered to follow the procedure. Of course there should be paperwork to fill out.

                        Some people just take NO responsibility for their own actions :rolleyes:

                        If it's too difficult to get your money back if you've been scammed - get a different credit card.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
                      Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                      And what about adding another option: the customer buys through paypal using direct bank withdrawal rather than a credit card?

                      Or the buyer uses paypal, has 1 pence left in their account balance, this is used and the credit card is used to top up the amount, meaning that the credit card company cannot do a chargeback because the full amount of the purchase was not charged to the credit card?
                      Well obviously you shouldn't do that. No need to make things difficult for yourself.

                      You get a lot less protection if you use a UK debit card, too, so I'd recommend you don't do that either.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
                      Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                      I wonder who Amanda_Davis actually is?
                      I plan product launches and review all the major IM product launches - that's why I'm often in the 'review' forum.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Ram
                        The pre-launch video looked pretty good.

                        However. ... I have bought a couple of Keith's products in the past. I have used his customer service since there were problems with actually getting access to them. All I will say is that based on my customer service experience with Keith's company, I will not be buying from him again.
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                        • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                          Hi 'Amanda',

                          I plan product launches
                          For yourself? Or for anyone else? If the latter, any of the people who's products have been reviewed here? For the sake of the users of the forum, I'm just trying to establish if you have any vested interest or bias.

                          Also, your avatar - is that you or a stock image?
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              • Profile picture of the author blogsy
                Originally Posted by Amanda_Davis View Post

                About people getting sick of videos... it's the same as any "IM trick" ... people always say that it won't work because people are sick of it already.

                But that only applies to the IM niche. If you're in any other niche (which you should be) then it works fine.
                Good point, I must admit I was refering to the IM sellers that drive us all crazy ... the rest of the market is more important for most of us and it's huge.
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            • Profile picture of the author maab
              Originally Posted by blogsy View Post

              I think video sales promotions work ... for now ... but I think people are quickly going to get very sick of slow loading videos that you don't know how long they are, that can't be paused, that end up saying not $5000.00, not $1997.00, not even $1200.00 Bla Bla Bla, come on, are buyers that going to continually get sucked in by that crap, I guess time will tell.

              My guess that after a while as soon as a sales pitch starts out this way, people will click out. But a lot of money will still be made from the unwary, as always.


              I'm with you, quite frankly I'm sick and tired of seeing that
              it's not this price it's not that it's not even blah blah,
              when I see this it gets on my nerves and I tend to
              switch off I don't want to hear what it isn't just get
              to the point. Another thing is the price hike (while some do)
              I've seen things months after and it's still the same price.
              Some honesty would be nice for a change.

              Just my 2cents worth
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Denton
    might side step this one aswell....good presell videos though (the strategy, not so much the bowling or golf scenes)
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  • Profile picture of the author DaveDunn
    What about the cookie stuffing using iframes being against clickbanks TOS?

    I dont see ANY response to this.

    Come on WELLMAN answer this one. It was conveniently ignored when someone asked this on your website.

    Anyone else care to answer?
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  • Profile picture of the author ndcllc
    Assuming that Iframe penalty being a huge issue, then why bother to Ifame the
    Salespage? Just make a salesvideo with a freeware in powerpoint etc., voice the
    salespage in segments in the video, then put that in a simple landing page wrapped
    with key words, few key-bullet point texts and redirect CalltoAction to the destination target. May be spilt test in 2 different L/page..you got an videoskin alternative solution
    without being worried about the Search engines rejection issue.
    BTW, an effective way to deal with refund is to notify your CreditCard Co., post request
    of refund request from the vendor.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaveDunn
    Hey ndcllc thanks for the info...

    the method keith outlines is creating a video presentation using the sales page copy, then using an iframe to load the cookie and directly linking to the clickbank order page, bypassing the vendor sales page entirely.

    just that iframe and cookie stuffing could screw my comissions....unless clickbank turn a blind eye to this kind of thing? maybe they do but i'm not sure i want to spend time finding out...
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  • Profile picture of the author DaveDunn
    hey amanda, I have no experience with this cookie stuffing, so do clickbank act on it? am i concering myself over nothing?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mandy Allen
    I'm glad I joined WF - this is the sscond IM I have learned to avoid. Thanks guys.

    Enjoy the journey.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    On Keith Live Day or one video he did address ths iframes and he said that it is against clickbank policy to use the whole page, however you can use the link (something along these lines).

    I got the course, started watching it, will watch all first round today.

    KEITH....Since everyone giving suggest, here is mine. The ones who are haters or bad experience will NEVER buy from you so instead of a low price drop. Say sorry about the first bad experience (your fault or not, be humble), give them a copy for FREE of Easy Sales Formula (they were not gonna buy) and that way they can review with the hope to turn around there experience with you. If this product is confidently good, they will likely turn around. Now I would not do it for people who complain now just to get it free, but the free who seem to have upset.

    I did google it and I did read the complaints, so I purchased it knowing that if the only customer service are on the webinars, I would be okay with that. I am a believe that success comes more from the person purchasing taking action and learning, then the seller of the course. Wish me luck!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author B3n
    Looks like Keith Wellman has been banned from the Warrior Forum for the second time. That's why all his posts have disappeared from this thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author JeanetteatBeach
      In Wellman's sales videos, he said his approach of dropping the cookie was not illegal with clickbank - that somehow he found a way around the issue. My question is simple - is his approach cookie stuffing or not? We can each decide whether we want to risk being caught by clickbank, but I would just like to know if Wellman found a way around the label of "cookie stuffing" - Appreciate any comments.
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      • Profile picture of the author A Bary
        This is K. Wellman way of thinking, this is for everyone who considers buying anything from him, this is how he is doing business!

        This message was sent from him, apparently before he got banned again from the forum, he sent it from the account "easysalesformula", his last account to got banned from the forum, look how he is talking like a moderator in the forum!!!

        What a pathetic person!! does he expect anyone to believe this childish reaction???

        For anyone trying to defend him, this is how "the top marketer" is thinking, I doubt this guy made it through the 2nd grade!!

        Here's the private message he sent to me..and you judge!

        "I want to make sure you read this:

        BASH PEOPLE AND YOU WILL BE DELETED FROM THE FORUM
        We're starting to delete people who bash product creators directly. Calling them lairs, scum and so forth.

        This place is for "intelligent" reviews of products. NOT personal Bashing.

        I would suggest you run and delete anything you've posted that directly bashes product creators because when we find it you WILL be eliminated from this forum."



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  • Profile picture of the author jeanmarie
    Be careful when you buy something from him because he usually has a nonrefundable disclosure--in very small print--. It took me months of emailing him and working with my cc company to get my money back

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  • Profile picture of the author Mitch Miller
    honesty won't sell their crap though.
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    • Profile picture of the author B3n
      Originally Posted by shopwebtools View Post

      i wonder why, ben? would there be any reason?
      Not sure but he was first banned in June 2008 for trying to game the review forum in his favour. Basically there was a 5 page long thread full of complaints about his "Autopilot" product and Keith tried to bump it off the first page by creating a series of fake usernames and bumping over threads. His username then was "kwellman".

      Next he created the "fxmarketing" username which was banned early this month for abusive behaviour (as far as I can tell).

      Then he was banned under the "easysalesformula" username a couple of days ago, not sure why but probably for sending threatening PMs to myself and goldmind123.

      Jason, please don't leave us in suspense, name names! Edit: Don't worry about this, found out who it was
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  • Profile picture of the author elishahong
    I saw the "Cached" version of this forum on Google where Keith posted in his defense.

    It's easy to say bad things about someone than to compliment. Everyone make mistakes. I've had my share of it on the Warrior Forum, lots of strict moderators nowadays.

    Let's just peace out. I bought the Easy Sales Formula and it does work only if you put effort to use it.

    The price drop down technique is common among marketers but the truth is that the value of the product is real.

    If you buy a product that is going to double your sales in the next few months, why not? The profits will pay for the product itself.

    I've personally met Keith Wellman and he knows what he's talking about. But like any other human being, we all have our own shortcomings.

    Forgiveness will heal things but the scar will remain.

    Peace.
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  • Profile picture of the author B3n
    elishahong,

    You are entitled to your opinion but I can't see what benefit you are getting from posting what you just posted.

    It simply looks like sycophantic gibberish to me.

    Originally Posted by elishahong View Post

    I saw the "Cached" version of this forum on Google where Keith posted in his defense.
    What Keith actually said was something along the lines of "we tried the no-refunds approach and it didn't work".

    He was referring to the Autopilot launch which was a complete disaster and resulted in a whole host of customers asking for a refund.

    And despite what he said about "no-refund policy", there was a crystal clear policy which he mentioned in his sales video (which I had transcribed before he took it down):

    "This is 100% no risk, money back guarantee. Try it out, use it, put it to the test. If you can’t make at least $3000 a month online within the first 60 days of applying this system just let us know what you did and we will either work with you until you are making that or we will refund 100% of your payment"

    Originally Posted by elishahong View Post

    It's easy to say bad things about someone than to compliment
    Not sure I agree with this Ned Flandersish view of the world but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

    Speaking as someone who was completely ignored by Wellman and his staff (Geri, Ralph, Marc Horne and Hollis Carter) I can tell you absolutely that it is extremely difficult to get any type of customer service response from Wellman's company.

    In fact, he completely ignored me until my report of dissatisfaction reached number 2 in Google for his name. In fact, it's still there now, pretty much and he hasn't resolved any of my issues, just sent me pathetic psuedo-legal threats and attempted bribes.

    Sadly, not every customer with a complaint about Wellman can reach number 2 in Google for his name so they can't get his attention. His customer service certainly doesn't work like he claims it should.

    You may well have met this person at a seminar but please don't preach to me about forgiveness until you've been at the wrong end of trying to get customer support from Keith Wellman and co.
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    • Profile picture of the author elishahong
      Hi Ben,

      ouch..that hurts.

      With respect, I sense how you feel about this matter.

      I only post based on my personal experience, I have not had any trouble with his customer service so far.

      With that said, Ben, you are entitled to your views as I am to mine.

      We both have different experiences and may this thread serve as a reflection for both the pros and cons there is for FxMarketing.

      If there is anything that can bring reconciliation, that would be the best.

      I'm a preacher's kid..so that explains why I preach forgiveness

      Take it easy bro.
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by .Ben. View Post

      elishahong,

      You are entitled to your opinion but I can't see what benefit you are getting from posting what you just posted.

      It simply looks like sycophantic gibberish to me.



      What Keith actually said was something along the lines of "we tried the no-refunds approach and it didn't work".

      He was referring to the Autopilot launch which was a complete disaster and resulted in a whole host of customers asking for a refund.

      And despite what he said about "no-refund policy", there was a crystal clear policy which he mentioned in his sales video (which I had transcribed before he took it down):

      "This is 100% no risk, money back guarantee. Try it out, use it, put it to the test. If you can't make at least $3000 a month online within the first 60 days of applying this system just let us know what you did and we will either work with you until you are making that or we will refund 100% of your payment"



      Not sure I agree with this Ned Flandersish view of the world but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

      Speaking as someone who was completely ignored by Wellman and his staff (Geri, Ralph, Marc Horne and Hollis Carter) I can tell you absolutely that it is extremely difficult to get any type of customer service response from Wellman's company.

      In fact, he completely ignored me until my report of dissatisfaction reached number 2 in Google for his name. In fact, it's still there now, pretty much and he hasn't resolved any of my issues, just sent me pathetic psuedo-legal threats and attempted bribes.

      Sadly, not every customer with a complaint about Wellman can reach number 2 in Google for his name so they can't get his attention. His customer service certainly doesn't work like he claims it should.

      You may well have met this person at a seminar but please don't preach to me about forgiveness until you've been at the wrong end of trying to get customer support from Keith Wellman and co.
      You beat me to it, and my hat's off to you! I'm glad Keith Wellman is getting raked over the coals for his abuses (he deserves far worse), and appreciate everyone who spoke against him. But you're #1 in my book for launching the ripoff report, and getting it to #2 for Keith's name! I'm thinking about slapping up a blog or two myself, warning the "fresh meat" away from the creep.

      "Ned Flanderish" indeed-LOL! It's actually much easier to suck up than complain, at least in the sense that nobody here will rag on you for praising a fellow marketer. On the other hand lots of warriors seem to have a knee jerk reaction against complainers, regardless of the cause. People who complain get accused of everything from jealousy, to screwing themselves, to stupidity, to mental illness, even when they got shafted big time.

      On the subject of forgiveness; screw that! It's irrelevant, while the crook keeps the stolen money! It's not like I hate the guy anyway; but as long as he keeps my money, (that he publicly claims to have refunded) I will speak ill of him. I waited a year before joining the chorus of the disgruntled. I think that's ample time for him to make things right. It's funny; he and his staff completely ignored me the entire time, until I spoke out on the forum here: http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...tml#post951753

      As far as I'm concerned it's great that he got kicked off the forum, but real justice would mean putting him behind bars, and dividing up his estate among those he's fleeced. At the very least, he should be barred from ever selling anything to anybody online for the rest of his life. Doing business with strangers across the digital landscape ought to be a revocable priviledge which you lose after clearly abusing many customers.

      Those warriors that have no stomach for controversy should recognize that in cases like this, the cause of the problem is the abuser, not the complaints of his victoms.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    I did purchase Easy Sales Formula, I have watched the videos, but not gone anywhere, based on non-action. No course will do anything, if you dont act. I am giving a non-bias opinion here, only facts from my experience. Also on his calls asked several questions and got them answers.

    I have emailed justaskkieth support a 3 times now and twice I got a response withing the hour (Not from Keith, but a staff member of his). Maybe Kieth has learned from his experience like any logical business person should.

    I personally find live calls are the best place to get any questions asked with any marketer.

    I can only share my experience with response to his customer service.
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  • Profile picture of the author stephan231
    It is i think repeating of the same info but i also recommend you make a reach on it before purchase!
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  • Profile picture of the author gotteeth
    I was looking for the Well Man!

    I ended up here...

    Can I get a Gin & Tonic, with a couple olives?

    Cheers!
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