Sorry, I said "Easy Sales Video" instead of "Easy Sales Formula".

Agree with goldmind123 100%.

Do a Google search for the name Keith Wellman. On the first page are several reports of his extremely poor attitude, dubious product quality and seriously lacking customer service. Ripoffreport.com is a great place to go after that, just search for Wellman's name on there.

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I had watched the video where you explained why you lowered the price, and I didn't buy it.

The Easy Sales Forumula model seems remarkably unremarkable. It's pretty standard fare that isn't worth anything near $500.

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LOL- Keith, have you thought about a pen name?

Keith, I'm no idiot and I wouldn't say it if I didn't have the proof to back up my claims.

When I finally got your attention you made up some very silly excuses and wild accusations about certain members of your staff. When I checked with them I found the claims to be, let's just say, not quite true.

Do you want me to go into details?

Wow, things have got pretty heated in here! Clearly some people are still p***ed about an older product, and I don't blame you for that.

However, my view is... and I'll leave my views on what I see as vastly inflated profits in the sales video out of it for now...

The concept is good, albeit not unique, it is moving into an area that clearly google is big in. Video is the way forward. Pick a keyword and search for it... I often see terrible videos in the top 3, out ranking sites with excellent PR, backlinks, etc. People put all this effort into SEO and then get out ranked by a crappy YouTube video.

However YouTube isn't geared up for sales (e.g. your own) and this where this product comes in.

I don't agree that he dropped his price 1.5 hours in, I'd say it was 2 days before. I think the high value was a ploy... it made it seem cheap at $497 (or that was the intention).

Now here's a thing, Harris Felman has backed this all the way and the guy doesn't do that so much these days. He has put his name on the line for this one, u think he'd do that if he didn't rate the product and / or Wellman?

I'm tempted to give it a go, whats the worst that can happen? If I try it and its not any good I'll ask for a refund. If Wellman doesn't honor it, I raise it with the creditcard company, where is the risk?

Mitch Miller "The BS Detector", joined June 2009, 20 posts? You don't talk or seem like a noob, got an axe to grind? Rival product maybe? Just saying...

No axe to grind here. Just calling it like I see it. What's the harm you ask? The harm is bad marketers giving the rest of us a bad rep. Once people are burned they are much less likely to purchase again. Most don't take the position that you do.

As far as me being a newbie, I am not sure what gave you that impression? A forum join date? Post count? Where is the logic in that?

As far as your Harris comment, he has been a part of this circle for a long time as well. What do you expect him to say? He is a guy that put up a video talking about how he went into a state of depression because he couldn't come up with his next product launch. My question on that was why not just do the things you are teaching others to do? Can't you just make money from that? Maybe it was because he wasn't doing the stuff he taught?

I have no axe to grind. I do very well for myself. I just get sick and tired of these guys coming out with launch after launch of over priced, recycled crap. When are people going to get a clue?
Send them an email. I'll be shocked if you get a response. Try to get some customer support after the sale. It won't happen because they don't give two shits about you. They are already moving towards the next launch. You are a number.

There are so many legitimate marketers/teachers out there that really care if you make it. Unfortunately most of them refuse to deal in this sensationalism and over hyping (fraud) of their products. and they therefore don't achieve the high profile that some of these other guys do. Let's face it, most people are looking for the magic button that does not exist. These guys know it doesn't exist as well. But they are perfectly willing to package up their bullshit in such a way that it appears as that magic bullet and they are more than willing to sell that dream to the starry eyed newbie.

Am I out to save the newbs? No I am afraid that most of them can't be saved from themselves. But this guy here has a lot of balls to come in here like this after what he pulled the last round. Many people kiss their ass in hopes that someday, maybe just someday they will give them that JV that will send them to guruland themselves. I don't.

As far as his price drop being two days ahead of launch that can easily be disproven as the videos he had up were all stating the 2g price tag right through to the launch.

Yes, good ponts...This bothers me too when I see so called "Guru's" claim their huge profits and how super rich they are and when it comes to the product they seem like overcharging those desperate newbies who are trying to make some money online.

I will put my unbiased 2cents in...

I have not bought any product from Keith Wellman yet. Not because of any bad experience but because I just never got around to doing it.

Now Keith! - You are a grown ass man so you have to make a decision of what you are going to do. And just like I said it's just my 2cents. But something needs to be done because this issue is causing too much controversy and drama (the bad type) BAD BLOOD!

What I would do with this product is just plum drop the price to $77 or $97. Go ahead and break even on this one.. Or in comparison to what you would like to charge ($1997) just go ahead and take a loss.

The problem here its that you got people who may have legitimate complaints. You have people here who may haters (the jealous ones) and you have people that are SCARED TO DEATH and don't know what to think

Regardless, We are all marketers here trying to make a living off of products, services, knowledge and skills that we feel passionate about.

All this negative publicity is not good for business... IMHO it hurts the game..

Keith! I would just drop the price. Don't change the product or take anything out. Just drop the price and make this product the lowest cost and best product you ever made...

On your next product charge people the price you want- $1997 - $4,997. Whatever you want to charge. This way you can end all this drama..

If you do this the way I suggest - you will be fine! People can be very forgiving when the "Leader Is Humble" Then again! Just my 2cents..

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might side step this one aswell....good presell videos though (the strategy, not so much the bowling or golf scenes)

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What about the cookie stuffing using iframes being against clickbanks TOS?

I dont see ANY response to this.

Come on WELLMAN answer this one. It was conveniently ignored when someone asked this on your website.

Anyone else care to answer?

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Assuming that Iframe penalty being a huge issue, then why bother to Ifame the
Salespage? Just make a salesvideo with a freeware in powerpoint etc., voice the
salespage in segments in the video, then put that in a simple landing page wrapped
with key words, few key-bullet point texts and redirect CalltoAction to the destination target. May be spilt test in 2 different L/page..you got an videoskin alternative solution
without being worried about the Search engines rejection issue.
BTW, an effective way to deal with refund is to notify your CreditCard Co., post request
of refund request from the vendor.

Hey ndcllc thanks for the info...

the method keith outlines is creating a video presentation using the sales page copy, then using an iframe to load the cookie and directly linking to the clickbank order page, bypassing the vendor sales page entirely.

just that iframe and cookie stuffing could screw my comissions....unless clickbank turn a blind eye to this kind of thing? maybe they do but i'm not sure i want to spend time finding out...

hey amanda, I have no experience with this cookie stuffing, so do clickbank act on it? am i concering myself over nothing?

I'm glad I joined WF - this is the sscond IM I have learned to avoid. Thanks guys.

Enjoy the journey.

On Keith Live Day or one video he did address ths iframes and he said that it is against clickbank policy to use the whole page, however you can use the link (something along these lines).

I got the course, started watching it, will watch all first round today.

KEITH....Since everyone giving suggest, here is mine. The ones who are haters or bad experience will NEVER buy from you so instead of a low price drop. Say sorry about the first bad experience (your fault or not, be humble), give them a copy for FREE of Easy Sales Formula (they were not gonna buy) and that way they can review with the hope to turn around there experience with you. If this product is confidently good, they will likely turn around. Now I would not do it for people who complain now just to get it free, but the free who seem to have upset.

I did google it and I did read the complaints, so I purchased it knowing that if the only customer service are on the webinars, I would be okay with that. I am a believe that success comes more from the person purchasing taking action and learning, then the seller of the course. Wish me luck!!!!

Looks like Keith Wellman has been banned from the Warrior Forum for the second time. That's why all his posts have disappeared from this thread.

Be careful when you buy something from him because he usually has a nonrefundable disclosure--in very small print--. It took me months of emailing him and working with my cc company to get my money back

Jeanmarie

honesty won't sell their crap though.

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I saw the "Cached" version of this forum on Google where Keith posted in his defense.

It's easy to say bad things about someone than to compliment. Everyone make mistakes. I've had my share of it on the Warrior Forum, lots of strict moderators nowadays.

Let's just peace out. I bought the Easy Sales Formula and it does work only if you put effort to use it.

The price drop down technique is common among marketers but the truth is that the value of the product is real.

If you buy a product that is going to double your sales in the next few months, why not? The profits will pay for the product itself.

I've personally met Keith Wellman and he knows what he's talking about. But like any other human being, we all have our own shortcomings.

Forgiveness will heal things but the scar will remain.

Peace.

elishahong,

You are entitled to your opinion but I can't see what benefit you are getting from posting what you just posted.

It simply looks like sycophantic gibberish to me.

What Keith actually said was something along the lines of "we tried the no-refunds approach and it didn't work".

He was referring to the Autopilot launch which was a complete disaster and resulted in a whole host of customers asking for a refund.

And despite what he said about "no-refund policy", there was a crystal clear policy which he mentioned in his sales video (which I had transcribed before he took it down):

"This is 100% no risk, money back guarantee. Try it out, use it, put it to the test. If you can’t make at least $3000 a month online within the first 60 days of applying this system just let us know what you did and we will either work with you until you are making that or we will refund 100% of your payment"

Not sure I agree with this Ned Flandersish view of the world but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Speaking as someone who was completely ignored by Wellman and his staff (Geri, Ralph, Marc Horne and Hollis Carter) I can tell you absolutely that it is extremely difficult to get any type of customer service response from Wellman's company.

In fact, he completely ignored me until my report of dissatisfaction reached number 2 in Google for his name. In fact, it's still there now, pretty much and he hasn't resolved any of my issues, just sent me pathetic psuedo-legal threats and attempted bribes.

Sadly, not every customer with a complaint about Wellman can reach number 2 in Google for his name so they can't get his attention. His customer service certainly doesn't work like he claims it should.

You may well have met this person at a seminar but please don't preach to me about forgiveness until you've been at the wrong end of trying to get customer support from Keith Wellman and co.

I did purchase Easy Sales Formula, I have watched the videos, but not gone anywhere, based on non-action. No course will do anything, if you dont act. I am giving a non-bias opinion here, only facts from my experience. Also on his calls asked several questions and got them answers.

I have emailed justaskkieth support a 3 times now and twice I got a response withing the hour (Not from Keith, but a staff member of his). Maybe Kieth has learned from his experience like any logical business person should.

I personally find live calls are the best place to get any questions asked with any marketer.

I can only share my experience with response to his customer service.

It is i think repeating of the same info but i also recommend you make a reach on it before purchase!

I was looking for the Well Man!

I ended up here...

Can I get a Gin & Tonic, with a couple olives?

Cheers!