Is it possible to have everyone self employed?

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Just business people and buyers. No jobs
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Who would build cars and appliances - and check out groceries in a store. Who would answer the phone and make appts at the doctor's office or do clerical work or run govt offices?

    If every position in a hospital was fill by a self employed person - how would that work? If teachers were self employed would they teach only things they like? If they hate history - could they skip it?
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    • Profile picture of the author NobleSavage
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Who would build cars and appliances - and check out groceries in a store. Who would answer the phone and make appts at the doctor's office or do clerical work or run govt offices?

      If every position in a hospital was fill by a self employed person - how would that work? If teachers were self employed would they teach only things they like? If they hate history - could they skip it?
      Robot's and software automation. They are ALREADY building cars and appliances. Wake up! Seriously. It isn't going to be long and we are going to be in big shit when 1/2 the population has no job. Wallmart, the largest employer in the US, will automate everything soon. Their biggest competitor is Amazon and they are almost fully automated.

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      • Profile picture of the author John Rogers
        Originally Posted by NobleSavage View Post

        Robot's and software automation. They are ALREADY building cars and appliances. Wake up! Seriously. It isn't going to be long and we are going to be in big shit when 1/2 the population has no job. Wallmart, the largest employer in the US, will automate everything soon. Their biggest competitor is Amazon and they are almost fully automated.
        I mostly agree with you, but your response doesn't really answer the original question. The reason I'm responding to your post is that people really do need to wake up to the fact that the widespread use of robots and automation in industry will very soon result in a massive employment crisis. One of the secondary effects will be a massive reduction in tax revenue which will leave the government unable to fund entitlement programs to help the millions of people for whom there are no jobs. This is very real, people, and happening faster than you think.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    As KK mentioned there are too many necessary jobs.

    In order to have "no jobs" you would have to redesign and redefine the entire economic system to have everyone be an "independent labourer".

    But that's just semantics and you would be looking at pretty radical, and near impossible, changes to society and its economic systems.
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    • Profile picture of the author criniit
      The vast majority of people aren't interested in doing anything but living in their little bubble, get a job, go to work, come home lay on the couch and watch tv.

      It takes someone who thinks differently who wants (and has the courage) to venture out on their own into self employment and entrepreneurship.

      We are a rare breed of people. Sure a lot of people think about, dream about it. But most will never ever take action on it.

      So no, there will never be a time or point where everyone is self employed.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        aren't interested in doing anything but living in their little bubble, get a job, go to work, come home lay on the couch and watch tv.
        or....get a job, go to work, enjoy what you do - go skiing, rock climbing, wine tasting on weekends.

        Don't put people in boxes. Some are happy with their jobs or careers and their lifestyle and there's nothing wrong with that.

        Working for yourself is great - but it doesn't make us more important than others on a scale of 1-10.
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Not possible in a Capitalistic based Society.

          Our Economy would collapse.

          Many people work for themselves and then some of these same people expand their businesses and have to expand by hiring new employees


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  • Profile picture of the author ceenote100
    No because in schools children aren't taught to run their own business. They are taught to be employees.
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  • That's impossible. When you are running big businesses you need workers. It's impossible for 1 person to build millions of iPhones for you to conviniently buy over their website. Who will run their website if the person is making the iPhones. It's 100% impossible.
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  • Profile picture of the author FunMakingMoney
    Not possible. This world is build on and sustained by opposite forces. Joy and sorrow, rich and poor, cleaners and tycoons, justice and tyranny, good and bad, rich and the poor on and on. That is what makes this world go round. The tigers will ask...why can't all of us are tigers and be the king of the jungle. Then who is going to give them food? Also, that is why you have Heaven. Agree?
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    It would never happen as 99% of the people would rather the "security" of their job over taking any risks.

    Plus us risk takers who do cross over to the no-job-needing side need people like that anyway - as Kay King eluded to
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Being self employed doesn't take you back to the Garden of Eden.
    Like being rich it also has it's disadvantages.

    More freedom ALWAYS comes with more RESPONSIBILITIES.

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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      I can see it now . . .

      Self employed policemen, surgeons, and airline pilots. My oh my . . .

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  • Profile picture of the author CyberSail
    No. Everyone is not meant (nor does not want) to be a business owner. Some people are meant to be employees and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just their choice or circumstance.
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  • It's possible and we would be more free, but in the world the way it is it's not possible because most people are to dependent on the welfare to be taken care of and that would prevent such a think. I would love it but most would not.
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    • Profile picture of the author gluckspilz
      Originally Posted by HelpingYouBeAnExpert View Post

      It's possible and we would be more free, but in the world the way it is it's not possible because most people are to dependent on the welfare to be taken care of and that would prevent such a think. I would love it but most would not.
      How exactly would we be more free if there are 0 jobs and all owners?

      Owners would have to work themselves cause "hiring" is out of the question.

      NO ONE is free because EVERYONE are owners...

      lol. this just gets silly...
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      • Originally Posted by gluckspilz View Post

        How exactly would we be more free if there are 0 jobs and all owners?

        Owners would have to work themselves cause "hiring" is out of the question.

        NO ONE is free because EVERYONE are owners...

        lol. this just gets silly...
        Go back in America there where way less employed, but the owners (most) worked hard (yes there where slaves which I'm against but look at non slave states) it's theoretically possible to have 100% no emplyees they could contract out work, no governement to steal from you and everyone is free to organize how they want. If 100 of us wanted to make a car we get together and make a contract and get to work make the car and split the profits, it can be done, the reason it can't is we are all brainwashed to support millions who don't produce anything and live like parasites (and I"m not talking welfare they are just one or 2 % it's big parasites ). I campaigned for the 1 politician out of 500 in Washington who never lied and i"m sure he would agree this can be done or close to it, but that is why he lost people hate freedom (they say they love it). I would love if no one came with force and told me to give this or that and forced me to work and do things but we can't have that and we are not allowed to be left alone that is why you can't have what the OP is asking, but if there was a planet where nothing could be forced on people (coversion) then it could be done, but that world is not Earth simply because humans can't take responsibility only maybe 1% can the rest can't. So they need employment and taking care of.
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  • Profile picture of the author jgant
    I love running my own show but it's not perfect. I can see how having a job is preferable especially if one likes the job. I've had jobs I enjoy... I just happen to really enjoy building my own biz.

    I know people who were self employed and made decent money but sold and got a job and don't regret it.

    I happen to like being a lone wolf, but our work is fairly solitary so I can also see how people enjoy the social aspect of a job.

    That said, many studies show that people are happiest with work that offers a high level autonomy. There are many jobs that people enjoy autonomy... self employment isn't the only avenue for autonomy.

    Besides, after being full time in IM for a couple of years, there are times when I have to work such as a site is down and I'm running paid traffic to it. That isn't a picnic I can ignore.

    From an economic perspective I don't think it's impossible. Many jobs are filled by independent contractors which could be expanded into more positions.... but of course you can call one an independent contractor but if the pay check is from one source it's really an employment relationship.

    These days anyone can freelance readily, but market dynamics are such that in most cases it's advantageous to be an employee instead of a freelancer. So while it's possible in theory, it won't happen because most people will opt for security and higher income than what could be earned freelancing or running a business.
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  • Profile picture of the author NobleSavage
    Originally Posted by bigfoot12 View Post

    Just business people and buyers. No jobs
    Yeah, it would be quite easy. Just turn all employees into independent contractors. The only thing preventing it are the IRS rules.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Originally Posted by NobleSavage View Post

      Yeah, it would be quite easy. Just turn all employees into independent contractors. The only thing preventing it are the IRS rules.
      Can you point me to that rule(s)?

      The reason I ask is that I have been self-employed since 1983, have owned both brick and mortar and web businesses, and
      1. I never asked the IRS if it was OK (short of applying for an EIN), but
      2. they still expected (at a minimum) monthly tax deposits, and an annual return filing.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogozRazvan
    Yes, but it is NOT a good idea for several reasons:

    1. Some people require leadership and management.

    2. Economy of scale is usually determined by an industry. Crowdsourcing is a potential solution to this but try to build 100.000.000 mobile phones using crowdsourcing.

    3. The highest tax revenue comes from corporations.

    4. The concept of a free market is fragile as it is now. Have seven billion people determine their own prices and fees and you would have huge fluctuations. Financial arbitration would become the norm. You would buy widget X for $100 in one part of the world and for $500 in another part, partly due to the cost of living. I assume that this reversed engineered communist system would lead to huge inflation.

    5. Some systems work better in an organized setting. Without an organized army, we would have mercenaries.

    6. Finally, this would lead to anarchy. Someone needs to answer 911.
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  • Profile picture of the author jemacb
    It is possible theoretically but not practical nor feasible. If everyone was self-employed they still have needs. So they would procure goods and services from others (who are also self employed). So theoretically it can work.

    But realistically, there must be the provision of public goods and services because the human being is complex and not every one is 'programmed' in their sub-consciousness to be pro-active and self-assured to become self-employed. In other words, in reality not everyone has the confidence nor motivation to be their own boss.
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  • I lived in a poor village in East Europe and I can see everyone could be self employed. Look at Native Americans before the Spanish or English came and killed 90+ % of them, who employed them? I can be done! You call can lie all you want but it's a lie!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mahmoodadds
    i think the main solution is not working for just money
    as long jobs is based on only seeking money and mostly bad bass-worker relation more people will seek self employment
    so payments should not be related to profession
    lower paid workers will mostly and in realistic thinking hate higher paid bosses
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  • Profile picture of the author Noel2010
    Very interesting points. Many people are very happy with their jobs and wouldn't want it any other way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Is it possible to have everyone self employed?
    Just business people and buyers. No jobs
    Are you kidding me? Who would make my bacon, egg, and cheese croissants from the Burger King every morning?

    No buyers? Lol... no money when they run out of it. How they gonna get money if they don't have a job?

    It is what it is in life. Gotta be who you are in this world.
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