Benefits of launching a course on platforms like Udemy vs WSO/Clickbank vs self hosting

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Thoughts? Ultimately, I think Udemy isn't as good as self hosting/Clickbank or even a WSO. Although, I have seen many courses there make over $100,000. There is no incentive per individual course like there is on Clickbank(ie: cash prizes from the creator).

Has anyone ultimately switched over to either platforms and use it now exclusively? If so, why?


Really appreciate some feedback and thoughts! Thanks!
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  • Clickbank is just so popular and user friendly that it's always been the best choice as far as platforms go.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Udemy is a self contained ecosystem of people looking exclusively for training. If you've got a good course that people want it's likely to be seen and purchased. Of course you still have to market.

    Clickbank can say the same but their focus is not exclusively on training videos. Not only that but Clickbank probably attracts more people looking to promote products than people looking to actually buy them. Clickbank charges a fee to submit a product and have that nasty rule where they chip away at your balance when your account is inactive. Ugh. Udemy beats them hands down.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Udemy is a self contained ecosystem of people looking exclusively for training.
      This. Exactly.

      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Clickbank probably attracts more people looking to promote products than people looking to actually buy them.
      This. I don't even think ClickBank attracts any people looking to buy things: nobody looking for a course/information about anything ever says to themselves "I'll go and see what's for sale on ClickBank", do they, really? And in any case, 99% of ClickBank products' sales pages aren't "on ClickBank" in the first place: they're hosted on their vendors' own websites, and it's only the payment page that ClickBank hosts. (These days, there's a new system too, where ClickBank will host the whole thing, but it's mostly unknown).

      You can't really compare this with Udemy at all.

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      • Profile picture of the author wirriam
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        This. Exactly.



        This. I don't even think ClickBank attracts any people looking to buy things: nobody looking for a course/information about anything ever says to themselves "I'll go and see what's for sale on ClickBank", do they, really? And in any case, 99% of ClickBank products' sales pages aren't "on ClickBank" in the first place: they're hosted on their vendors' own websites, and it's only the payment page that ClickBank hosts. (These days, there's a new system too, where ClickBank will host the whole thing, but it's mostly unknown).

        You can't really compare this with Udemy at all.

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        This is a GREAT reply and exactly what I was looking for in terms of information.

        I am comparing these platforms in the eyes of a product creator. Which would be more beneficial to someone starting out with product creation?

        I kind of see it like this now: With platforms such as Udemy, you want to be putting Skills training programs there, and with platforms like Clickbank, you want to utilize it for Business-in-a-Box type of programs there.

        Also, could you shed some light on this unknown Clickbank Hosting service? Does it make the whole process a lot easier?

        Thanks Alexa, always appreciate your responses.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by wirriam View Post

          Also, could you shed some light on this unknown Clickbank Hosting service? Does it make the whole process a lot easier?
          Sorry - I haven't used it at all. It's fairly new, I think. I'm not even sure I know a vendor who uses it.

          Harvey Segal and/or Miles Baker will know (and will reply if they see the thread, I think).

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  • I'm starting to see the huge potential of the Udemy ecosystem but there is one HUGE downfall that I see on Udemy, and I might be wrong (let me know if that is the case) and that is you can't sell udemy on monthly payments and you can't up-sell? The up-sell part you can like send them emails later but it's not very effective you don't control the immediate sale process. But the biggest one is the monthly payments I just don't see that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Chicas
    I haven't really looked into this but someone mentioned that Udemy recently changed their payment plan by which it heavily favors them and creators make a lot less.

    The bad thing about putting your products on platforms that others control is that they can easily change the rules. Not that you couldn't migrate your membership somewhere else, but at the same time it seems to limit you as to how to do a launch, run your campaign, etc.

    I'd love to hear more about Udemy from people who feel that it is still a fair game... if anyone has any more info. =D
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  • Profile picture of the author Roth
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    Ok instead of creating a new thread, I'm going to bump this instead.

    Does anyone actually have experience with Udemy? For the sake of keeping it simple, let's say it's a video course. What is better...publishing on CB/JVZ? Or publishing it on Udemy?

    I'm about to create my next product and I'm weighing my options. I've published on Clickbank and JVZoo...both are pretty good. Although I don't really like how much CB takes {$1+ 7% if my memory serves me correctly}

    Udemy looks good. Although this is what I've been able to find regarding them as a potential platform for publishing....

    1. They say that they will promote your course through email campaigns, which include coupons. Not sure if they actually do it, and if so, if it's effective. If they act as an affiliate and promote the course, this would be a valuable point. Especially if it drives volume.

    2. I read this article which basically says that Udemy isn't a sustainable model and that they benefit far greater than the instructors do. You can read it here if you'd like: Why I stopped selling courses on Udemy.

    So I'm wondering where my time, energy, and money will be better spent. Clickbank/JVZ? Or Udemy. It's the same video product and I'll still be promoting it through content, ads, and affiliates. I'm leaning on just sticking with JVZ or CB since I'm not convinced that Udemy has anything to offer in comparison. If they really drive revenue by promoting the course, then perhaps I'll be convinced. But IDK.

    So given all of this, would Udemy be a better choice? Let me know. Please, only those who have experience with Udemy as a publisher. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie123
    Why not have sell a course on all of those platforms mentioned? There are several IMer's that do it and the great thing is that you will appeal to a different demographic on each platform! My two sense!
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    • Profile picture of the author Roth
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      Originally Posted by paulie123 View Post

      Why not have sell a course on all of those platforms mentioned? There are several IMer's that do it and the great thing is that you will appeal to a different demographic on each platform! My two sense!
      How did I know this answer was coming? Name some people that publish their same products across multiple platforms...it doesn't happen. That's just silly stuff noobs say.

      You won't sell an ebook on Amazon for $2.99 and then sell the same ebook on CB for $27.

      You wouldn't publish a product on both CB or Udemy either. It's unnecessary, costly, and doesn't produce any better results. I'm also trying to understand what Udemy has to offer that isn't covered by CB/JVZ. So no, I will not do all of the above. And I wouldn't advise anyone to do that anyway.

      The only exception to this, is if you have a video product that already meets Udemy's {touchy} guidelines, that you can also self host and publish on CB/JVZ.

      Your answer is also irrelevant to my original question....which is "why would I publish on Udemy as opposed to CB or JVZ?"

      So please, does anyone else have any insight into this?
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie123
        Sorry you were dissatisfied and/or insulted by my suggestion. Good luck on your project!
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      • Profile picture of the author spearce000
        Originally Posted by Roth View Post

        Your answer is also irrelevant to my original question....which is "why would I publish on Udemy as opposed to CB or JVZ?"
        The only reason I can think of is that Udemy is well known as a site for training courses, so people who are looking for that kind of product would go there to look for it; whereas, they might not go to CB or JVZ. The same might be said for other sites like lynda.com. Also, sites like JVZ are skewed more towards the IM niche, so if you have a non-IM course it might not do as well there as it could on Udemy.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShamaKern
    I have a course on Udemy. The problem with this platform is that they run coupon sales all the time. Many times they offer 90% off deals. My course is listed for $30, and 90 percent of the sales are from those coupon sales.

    After taking out Udemy's cut, discounts, affiliate's cuts, I often end up receiving only $2.50 for my $30 course. Even without heavily discounted offers I get $10 at best. Most of my sales net me between 2.50 and $5. So you have no control at all over how much your product sells.

    Udemy's entire business model is based on those constant coupon sales which they are running constantly. In order to make money with Udemy you have to have lots of volume and market the heck out of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roth
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      Originally Posted by ShamaKern View Post

      I have a course on Udemy. The problem with this platform is that they run coupon sales all the time. Many times they offer 90% off deals. My course is listed for $30, and 90 percent of the sales are from those coupon sales.

      After taking out Udemy's cut, discounts, affiliate's cuts, I often end up receiving only $2.50 for my $30 course. Even without heavily discounted offers I get $10 at best. Most of my sales net me between 2.50 and $5. So you have no control at all over how much your product sells.

      Udemy's entire business model is based on those constant coupon sales which they are running constantly. In order to make money with Udemy you have to have lots of volume and market the heck out of it.
      Now this is exactly the kind of important information that I need. Thank you! It certainly doesn't seem like Udemy has anything more to offer that I don't already get with CB/JVZ. And I've been seeing responses like yours while researching this matter outside of the forum.

      Does anyone else have better experiences? Or is everyone getting crumbs from Udemy...? If anything at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexSchneider
    Udemy is interesting because you get a focused crowd looking for training. And it is a marketplace that people remember and come back to. So you have natural organic traffic.

    Offers on Clickbank need to be promoted by affiliates or your own traffic generation plan (e.g. social, SEO, ...).

    And regarding the breadcrumbs - why not setting the price of the course to $197? That means after discount of 90% you still have a cart value of $20.

    I find the quality of the courses that sell really well is also really high - so it is quite an effort to produce one course that is outstanding. (I smell there could be a connection between money earned and value provided!? ;-) )
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    • Profile picture of the author Roth
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      Originally Posted by spearce000 View Post

      Also, sites like JVZ are skewed more towards the IM niche, so if you have a non-IM course it might not do as well there as it could on Udemy.
      And I also hear that IM courses don't do well on Udemy because it's best used for niche courses. IDK, I'm most concerned with keeping my fair share of revenue, especially if I'm doing the lion's share of promotion. It seems like Udemy takes more than is justifiable, which is why I want to hear from other instructors on their experience.

      Originally Posted by schneidera View Post

      Udemy is interesting because you get a focused crowd looking for training.

      Offers on Clickbank need to be promoted by affiliates or your own traffic generation plan.
      So do Udemy courses. Have you ever published on Udemy? Or even JVZ/CB?

      If Udemy won't drive a substantial amount of sales volume, I see little reason to use them over CB/JVZ.

      It's like using one of those crowd-funding sites. It's pointless to use them because they don't help you at all. They just sit on their asses and take a cut. You're responsible for promoting it all so you might as well use PayPal instead of Indiegogo or whatever.

      I'm seeing the same thing with Udemy....so I'm trying to figure out what they really have to offer vendors that you can't get on CB or JVZ.

      I still haven't gotten a clear answer, but I'm starting to think that Udemy is an unnecessary middle man.

      Originally Posted by schneidera View Post

      And regarding the breadcrumbs - why not setting the price of the course to $197? That means after discount of 90% you still have a cart value of $20.
      That's still bread crumbs!
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  • Profile picture of the author jbmarwood
    On Udemy you can create your own coupons and that way you get 97% of the sale price. So if you do a lot of your own promotion it is ideal. Udemy only take a cut of the sale if it comes from their own promotions, and if you have a really good course they do a lot of marketing for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author IvoryPearl
    The only problem that I see with Udemy is that they don't give you your students' email addresses so you can promote additional products or follow up materials to them. I would probably make a squeeze page to capture email addresses and then send traffic to my Udemy page.
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