How would you teach Poor Americans online business?

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I have been full time online for 12 years good income.
Not all my stuff is teachable to everyone though.

I am interesting in teaching Affiliate marketing stuff to people have been long term unemployeed. Poorer people in the area where I want to target.

People that tend not to have a lot of hope or find themselves in dead end job after dead end job.

I would like actionable stuff that they can apply and do and by the end of the course have something to show for it.

I would prefer to start teaching the affiliate marketing aspects. As I think that is big enough where all students could find a niche in and is something I have a lot of experience in.

Any insights, experience or thoughts you find helpful please share.

I want to be able to help people change their family/financial tree long term.
This would be a stepping stone NOT their forever business.
Getting their foot in the door so to speak.

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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by alleycatnews View Post

    I am interesting in teaching Affiliate marketing stuff to people have been long term unemployeed.
    I admire your objectives.

    The reality, though, is that in wanting to teach a subject with very low overall success-rates to start with (whoever's figures you believe), you'd deliberately be selecting a sub-group which has about the lowest possible success-rates there could be, overall.

    It's perhaps a little similar to trying to promote network marketing by sponsoring distributors who are long-term unemployed. Most commendable, and all the rest of it, but in reality a dreadful approach simply because the long-term unemployed constitute a demographic sub-group for whom "setting up their own business" is pretty unlikely - overall - to be the solution to their life-situations. Their overall success-rates will be far lower than most, and affiliate marketing has very low overall success-rates to start with.

    I don't mean it uncharitably, but "rather you than I".

    Apologies if this comes across "negatively", but it is realistic.

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  • Profile picture of the author alleycatnews
    I appreciate the feedback alexa. any thoughts on the way you would go about it for that group?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by alleycatnews View Post

      I appreciate the feedback alexa. any thoughts on the way you would go about it for that group?
      I have no experience of it, at all, directly.

      The only comparable thing I've ever tried to do (though I suppose it is actually pretty comparable) was in the form of "screening unemployed people" when promoting a network marketing opportunity.

      I was taught (and firmly believe) that it's essential, before "accepting" people, to be really, really clear with them that they need a few hundred dollars to start, that they're making a long-term commitment, that there's no "fast income", and all these other, obvious things ... and then to make sure that the first few sessions' training cover mostly "How to set up and run your own business", rather than dealing with "How to do affiliate marketing" per se.

      I wish you very well with it, if you try it, but I can't, myself, see it being anything other than a seriously uphill struggle.

      I strongly suspect that the great majority of long-term unemployed people would be much better advised to try to learn to make whatever life-situation changes are necessary for them to be able to become employees, first, before even thinking about trying to set up their own businesses. And "going into affiliate marketing" is definitely and emphatically a form of "setting up and running your own business": people (whether long-term unemployed or not!) who wander into it without a clear concept of that have very, very little chance of success - if any).

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  • Profile picture of the author cianci1129
    This is just my thought, but perhaps a good way to get people who don't have much is get them to start a blog. Have them pick a topic they like, and have them write about whatever they want. They will be learning the blog interface and (hopefully) having a lot of fun expressing themselves online. Over time you could show them how to connect with other blogs and help them get some traffic to their blogs once its built up a bit.

    Then you could introduce adsense or affiliate offers onto the blogs.

    But I would not go about approaching them saying it was for the sole purpose of trying to get them to start a marketing business, but rather how to have fun with their own blog expressing themselves, which will develop their writing and could turn into some cash down the road.

    This is probably the best bet at them eventually being successful, but like I said don't make that the goal to start.
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  • You can only teach if someone want to be taught. You can't spark a flame if there is no fuel there. The best is put out what you want to do, let those who are ready to be mentored come to you. That is just my observation I could be wrong, it would be nice to teach everyone but the reality in the world is some can't be tought until they decide (on their own) to open up then everything changes. Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      If I were crazy enough to take a run at that windmill, I wouldn't go about it the way you describe.

      My real "customers" would be the various agencies sponsored by the government to assist the unemployed. I would be pitching a program to teach marketable skills, like website design, copywriting, content creation, social media marketing, etc.

      Those agencies would be the ones paying the fees, mostly out of public money. Any money earned could be used to offset either the program's fees or the unemployment benefits paid to the agency's clients (the unemployed).

      In this day and age, the long-term unemployed are not just the lazy or unmotivated. No one can really help them. The ones with ambition and drive, but lacking marketable skills, are the ones you want.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron C Farrow
      Both you and Alexa have one crucial thing in common. You are both already there and doing it so your perspective on the whole newby question is skewed for this reason alone.

      I am a huge fan of Alexa's but on this occasion I think she has made a generalisation when it comes to "teaching Poor Americans online business".

      First off, I am a Brit and trust me its much harder to achieve any business success here than in North America that has the 300 million richest (per capita) people on earth. Also many of the resources you take for granted are closed to us here. Nevertheless, read this forum regularly and you will find plenty of successful UK warriors here.

      Next, people are or become unemployed, and sadly remain so, for a host of reasons. My own experience is that of a professional made redundant in the first year of the recession. Having reached late middle age I had little chance of landing of another job so self employment was not a choice but a necessity.

      IM is a natural choice given my background and location and I am sure there are 1,000's of Americans in a similar position. All we need is the right advice and directions and for the most part the rest we can do for ourselves.

      If you are serious about helping the American Poor then great. I wish you well and if you want to run ideas past a nearly newby then you know where to find me!
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  • Profile picture of the author alleycatnews
    I appreciate your comments.

    I may have not been clear. My issue isn't to make money off this. Its a way of giving back etc.. So I don't have any interest in charging gov't agencies etc..

    I would work with my church and the deacons of that church to find people who have an interest in doing something. As stated their isn't ONE reason for the unemployment and NOT everyone has the same advantages as everyone else.

    My goal is to be a guy who has "made it". Who has had some success who you can talk to and learn from in person. Not just theory in a book or generalizations of go work hard etc...

    Of course the success rate will be low. Its low in ANY part of life. How many college basketball players make it to the NBA. Maybe 30 new players a year. (usually second round picks never even make the roster.)

    My interest isn't that EVERYONE is a success I am not that naive. But to give people who may not have the same advantages as a middle class person has.

    Love the discussion though please keep it coming. I would love additional feedback.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      I guess I was thinking on a larger scale.

      "People that tend not to have a lot of hope or find themselves in dead end job after dead end job" is a tough nut to crack, regardless of how they came to be unemployed or how long. If you and your church can reach those people and motivate some of them to follow through, more power to you. I mean that sincerely.

      Without some kind of intervention, be it from a church member or a state or county agency, I still think that reaching and engaging those who have lost hope is going to be a very tough road to tackle.

      Best of luck to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Originally Posted by alleycatnews View Post

    People that tend not to have a lot of hope or find themselves in dead end job after dead end job.
    The uncomfortable reality is that your target market probably isn't qualified to run their own business on any meaningful level.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
      Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

      The uncomfortable reality is that your target market probably isn't qualified to run their own business on any meaningful level.
      Let alone have the motivation or true desire to make it work.

      In most cases, there is a reason why they are poor to begin with. Most likely self inflicted bc of several factors including but not limited to poor self image and like minded environment.

      And although this is a generalization, what in your eyes is "poor" anyway?

      What is the actual income level you are talking about?
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  • Profile picture of the author alleycatnews
    its to open the possiblities to them. Not to make them rich or even sustain them income wise to start.

    But making $1 online opens a new world to people. What is possible etc.. The work that it takes to ge there etc.. The people aren't going to go from $0 to $30k overnight or probably even in a year. It took me many years to earn real full time income even though I was working it full time.

    It opens doors that aren't open now. Gives them a network they don't have now. It gets them thinking outside the current limiting space they are currently in.
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  • Profile picture of the author Victor Edson
    Hey Alleycat...

    I like what you're trying to do here, and I hope you can find at least a few people who are interested in working for a few bucks online.

    I'd recommend starting small with things like article writing on sites like iwriter. They can get started for free, and if they can write well, they can get a little experience under their belt and build some confidence. If they're interested in it, they can move on to outsourcing on other sites or starting their own article freelancing business.

    I think it was Jon who mentioned finding people and teaching them skills and working with you local government which is a fantastic idea, but even if you're just doing it as a charity... talking with each person and finding out what they're interested in will be your biggest asset.

    Some people already enjoy making videos and putting them on youtube or photoshopping their faces onto bikini clad polar bears riding popsicles into outerspace. Connecting with them 1 on 1 and finding out what they're interested in would be the only way to know for sure how you could help them.

    So if they're into something like design... you help them learn a free system like Gimp that will give them a marketable skillset to create logos or do banners, or whatever.

    Not everyone, in fact very few people are interested in blogging, social media and list building. Just look at all the people who search it out online and never succeed with it and those are the ones who already have the interest in it, right?

    It'd also be helpful for these particular people if you could focus on free methods. Sites like Blogger, or even registering domains for them and using a reseller hosting account to give them free hosting for anyone who shows effort in building their own site for free and posting content to it regularly.

    It's important to remember too when working with people, just because they say they're interested, there's still a great chance they really aren't and like you already know, only a small fraction will ever do anything of any significance or even attempt to do anything extra.

    You may also find a lot of these people who will be on government programs and they're afraid to make any money and lose that income because they got $14 one day... just a mentality to keep an eye out for ... IF YOU follow through with this.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      First off, what you're doing is admirable. Especially in a "what's in it for me" world. You're definitely going against the grain. Everyone has already told you how hard and difficult your task is, so I'm not going to pile on that bandwagon anymore.

      I don't have any sweeping statements or generalizations about the poor or the unemployed. But personally being in both of those situations myself at one time I do know this. There's as many stories, circumstances and situations as there are people. In fact, half of the people in American, the richest nation on the planet, is just one paycheck away from being in those positions - or worse.

      Plus, there's one thing the poor and unemployed have in common with most self-made millionaires and billionaires in this country. Most of them were once poor, unemployed or both. So, I'll decline from speculating on what the poor or unemployed can or can't do. Especially if their motivated and focused enough.

      But I would suggest when you carry out your plan to have some kind of screening mechanism in place - to weed out the serious from the non-serious. In my opinion, if you can get one person to succeed who may have otherwise remained in poverty- consider yourself a success.

      Good Luck and I wish you the best.

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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    You'd be better off mentoring high school kids.
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  • Profile picture of the author alleycatnews
    Thanks for those comments very helpful.

    I appreciate the feedback. Thanks also Ron, that would be one of the ideas for sure later on to do a junior achievement type for the kids in the area.

    have a great day
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    • Profile picture of the author ronrule
      Originally Posted by alleycatnews View Post

      Thanks for those comments very helpful.

      I appreciate the feedback. Thanks also Ron, that would be one of the ideas for sure later on to do a junior achievement type for the kids in the area.

      have a great day
      I wouldn't wait on the students - go that route first. There are a few things a classroom of high school seniors have that your target (poor/unemployed) don't:

      1. Time.
      2. Living Expenses are Covered.
      3. Nothing to Lose.

      Put yourself in the position of your target for a moment; you're broke. Maybe you're unemployed, or maybe you're just in a low paying job. Something as minor as a flat tire could offset your ability to pay your bills this month. You've been in this rut your whole life and, presumably, your friends and neighbors are in the same economic bracket.

      The idea of risking even as little as $100, and what little free time you have, to enter a world you have no experience with, because some hotshot talked about how much money you can make sitting on your ass for a few hours a day is so far from their reality, their daily struggle, that they'll never believe it. Nothing you say to this group in one session or ten will change the fact that they're still broke, still have to slave away at a crappy job.

      How much time can I really devote to this? How long will it take before I can make my $100 back? What if I mess up and lose it, I can't afford to do it a second time. Will an extra $50/month really change my life anyway? Is it worth that risk? What the heck is Wordpress?

      This is what that group is thinking... and like Alexa said, the dropoff and failure rate will be incredibly high.

      Now go the other way ... you're in front of a group of students, the majority of which don't even know what they want to do after they graduate. They have no bills, no cost of living, no expectation of income. They have TIME. Making $50 a month would be AWESOME to them right now, and they'll be thinking about how they can grow that so they don't HAVE TO get a job, ever, because jobs suck. They understand the technology piece. They know how to make Wordpress sites. They've had "internet friends" their whole lives, they already have an audience of potential buyers and they know who among their friends can afford what they're selling. They have nothing to lose, everything to gain, and because their parents pay for all of their needs they're able to allocate their time to giving it a real try without worrying about how the bills will be paid. Many of them will win.

      When they do, THEN you go to the first group... the poor, the unemployed. And you say the magic words, that no adult wants to hear unless it's about their own kid, "Look at the results a bunch of high school kids from my last class got. No life experience, no knowledge of how to sell online. They did what I said, and they made money."

      That's a powerful message.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Ron, you left out one more thing the kind of high schooler who would benefit from this has that out of work and out of hope long term unemployed don't. They really still believe that it's impossible to fail, at least for them.

        alleycatnews, gjabiz did a better job than I did explaining what I meant by working through government agencies.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
    An admirable question and one I have often contemplated as I see people in my country who are unemployed and need only a few hundred dollars a months to live a much higher quality of life. The decision that I came to and something I want to try out is to source those that are unemployed with higher than average writing skills. Show them how to create content for others and at first maybe sell their writing with a slight markup so that I make something from it, that way sustaining my interests as its not purely charitable and giving them the victory of earning money. Using the great books and resources that some warriors here have written regarding content writing and giving them the proper foundation and technical training to produce quality content. From that point on mentor them and ask them why are people paying for your writing what is in it for them, using that as a real life example of what affiliate marketing can do and guiding them through the process while they still earn money writing.

    However I have tried this approach before out of a pure want to help and how I started was by offering to buy their first 10 articles and using that practical example to teach them more and more and I would have found a way to utilise the articles or worst case scenario have done my good deed without just a hand out. Something very disappointing happened though when I tried this not a single person out of about 10 I have offered it to actually delivered their 10 articles. So I deduce from this that many unemployed and please this is not a generalization just my experience are in that position because subconsciously that’s where they prefer to be or have a very limited scope of what they are willing to do for money.

    I am sorry if this was not helpful as it was rather negative but as someone who has tried in my own way to share knowledge and better people in bad situations my experience has not been very rewarding.
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  • Profile picture of the author gmarklin
    There are very low cost ways to get people started in internet marketing,, but one thing you would need to do is to convince them that the work is hard and long before they would see any success.
    I think the fall rate would be very high.
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  • Profile picture of the author jsniemeyer
    First I will assume here that the people you would be teaching have a basic understanding of the internet (there are still some communities with terrible access), and a minimum level of education/literacy.

    I think some people in this thread have gone a bit far afield in their posts and are "overthinking" your question.

    If I was going to take a person with very little money and teach them to make an income online I would first think about what was affordable. This means the upfront investment needs to be nearly non-existent.

    So I would probably focus on teaching a person to build a list of 2,000 subscribers using Mailchimp and clickbanking / adswaps. As part of the training I would show them how to get very inexpensive hosting or provide a free sub-domain that they can use to begin their list building efforts.

    Mailchimp + clickbanking + sub-domain = $0.00 initial investment AND they will see results (not necessarily sales) very quickly.

    In my opinion this is probably the most approachable way to start. I suppose teaching to build a business through blogging could be a good idea as well, although that is a business model that has never really worked for me (probably because I hate blogging...).
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  • Profile picture of the author Dechardia1991
    I like your goal and determination. Some says it would be way too hard. I am a person that likes to prove other people wrong. Do what you feel is right or want to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    Originally Posted by alleycatnews View Post

    I have been full time online for 12 years good income.
    Not all my stuff is teachable to everyone though.

    I am interesting in teaching Affiliate marketing stuff to people have been long term unemployeed. Poorer people in the area where I want to target.

    People that tend not to have a lot of hope or find themselves in dead end job after dead end job.

    I would like actionable stuff that they can apply and do and by the end of the course have something to show for it.

    I would prefer to start teaching the affiliate marketing aspects. As I think that is big enough where all students could find a niche in and is something I have a lot of experience in.

    Any insights, experience or thoughts you find helpful please share.

    I want to be able to help people change their family/financial tree long term.
    This would be a stepping stone NOT their forever business.
    Getting their foot in the door so to speak.

    Please post feedback.
    OK. Good for you. You need a place and/or a few notebook computers. Many libraries have Internet access. So, I'd start with the library to see what they offer.

    There are these places, called One-Stops, almost every state has them, they are funded by Feds, State, Counties and others, like Goodwill.

    When someone has to go on unemployment, they are sent to the local Jobs and Family Services office, often the place to get food stamps, assistance, etc. Most are county or parish operated. They get funds from Feds, State and local taxes.

    These people are then referred to a Job Center, or whatever they are called, the consolidation of many public services over the last decade has created these ONE Stop deals.

    Organizations, like Goodwill, Good Neighbors and churches or local food banks are a place you will find students.

    If you have a program, ASK if you can do a presentation at one of the meetings, many people out of work have to go to some sort of orientation, or meeting, or Job Club or whatever.

    You just make yourself available. If your local library can't offer up a room to use, then ASK at local churches, or clubs or community centers. Wi-Fi is readily available, but if not, a small USB device makes your laptop a hot spot and you can have another 5 people on your network.

    So, you need a place, people, a presentation, a plan.

    BUT, let me give you some advice, from the trenches you want to get into...IF you do not have an initial MIND SET program, a first part that teaches the possibility and shows results...you will have a difficult time.

    You must first, pick these people up, show them the hope and make sure it is reality based, not the WF type overnight success stories.

    AND, know going in, you'll have many drop outs, but, if you can help only a few and have them spread the work, you could build something really cool.

    Good luck with your efforts. Begin with the understanding you're dealing with people in stress and not in the best "thinking" condition to start and give them a jump start on what is possible with continuous and sustained effort.

    gjabiz
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  • Profile picture of the author EPoltrack77
    It's sad that we live in a country like America and are poor. You have tons of people coming from all over the world for opportunity and a lot of them achieve it but then you have those the 80% who strive to just pay the bill each month. Is it mindset?

    anyways....

    You really have to ask... what are they poor?

    Don't misunderstand me... I was poor for years. Litterly flat broke!

    I stayed that way until my thoughts changed.

    Give them a system that they can go out and give to other people and not sell anything but let the system do the selling. Actually get people to want to buy your products!
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  • Profile picture of the author juk123
    By poor Americans do you mean blacks or the homeless? I think affiliate marketing would be a bit hard for them to grasp, same with PPC and most other ways of making money online. The easiest way would be to show them how to make money doing small jobs on Microworker sites. Anything where you don't need any skills would be a good start.
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      Originally Posted by juk123 View Post

      Anything where you don't need any skills would be a good start.

      Juk,

      I think it's a huge stretch to say that the poor have no skills.

      If it were my goal to help, I think the very best chance the poor have would be to work with individuals one-on-one to develop and market the skills they do have already.

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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by juk123 View Post

      By poor Americans do you mean blacks or the homeless? I think affiliate marketing would be a bit hard for them to grasp, same with PPC and most other ways of making money online. The easiest way would be to show them how to make money doing small jobs on Microworker sites. Anything where you don't need any skills would be a good start.
      Wow! It's odd that the only people that come to your mind when poor is mentioned is Blacks and the homeless? You need to update your stereotypes. Now you can include every race in the category of poor and unemployed, the last recession changed that, remember.

      Now there's poor and/or unemployed high school grads., college grads, Phd's, former teachers, sales associates, business owners, wall street investors, real estate agents, contractors, bank employees, actors, professional athletes, restaurant managers, military vets, whew. I could go on, but hopefully you get the point.

      If not please read this

      Note: I don't think you're a bad person, you just seem uninformed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
      Originally Posted by juk123 View Post

      By poor Americans do you mean blacks or the homeless? I think affiliate marketing would be a bit hard for them to grasp, same with PPC and most other ways of making money online. The easiest way would be to show them how to make money doing small jobs on Microworker sites. Anything where you don't need any skills would be a good start.
      Great way to stereotype whole groups of people you know nothing about...FAIL.

      I've made money in affiliate marketing and so have plenty of other black folks. In fact, I bet I grasp way more than you do about many things in life. Your false sense of superiority blinds you to the fact that people of color are your equals. And, pray that you never have the misfortune of being homeless, because then you'll be looked down upon by people like you.

      Pffttt!
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    • Profile picture of the author bennie07
      Originally Posted by juk123 View Post

      By poor Americans do you mean blacks or the homeless? I think affiliate marketing would be a bit hard for them to grasp, same with PPC and most other ways of making money online. The easiest way would be to show them how to make money doing small jobs on Microworker sites. Anything where you don't need any skills would be a good start.

      Careful Juk123, your ignorancy is showing.
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  • Originally Posted by alleycatnews View Post

    I am interesting in teaching Affiliate marketing stuff to people have been long term unemployed. People that tend not to have a lot of hope or find themselves in dead end job after dead end job.
    Your motivations are admirable, but I must question whether you've actually thought this through...

    Do you realize that you're trying to teach someone who cannot even land/sustain an entry job how to become an successful entrepreneur? Sorry to say, but your failure rate will be close to 100%.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      Your motivations are admirable, but I must question whether you've actually thought this through...

      Do you realize that you're trying to teach someone who cannot even land/sustain an entry job how to become an successful entrepreneur? Sorry to say, but your failure rate will be close to 100%.
      I'm surprised at the number of people who still have an antiquated view of today's poor and unemployed in this thread. Please read post #28. All poor or unemployed people are not mental deficient bums who only live for the next handout. Many are educated, experienced, competent ... and shocker of shockers - know how to operate a computer! All many need is a little push, hand or lift. Most are not looking for sympathy or a free ride. Just a break.

      Here's just one example of thousands of the new poor.

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      • Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

        I'm surprised at the number of people who still have an antiquated view of today's poor and unemployed in this thread. All poor or unemployed people are not mental deficient bums who only live for the next handout.
        I dont doubt it, but the truth is that they cannot land/sustain a job (hence their unemployment and poverty). So my question is... if they cannot land/sustain an entry job, what are the chances that they'll become a successful entrepreneur? It's an honest question by the way, not poking fun at anybody.
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          Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

          I dont doubt it, but the truth is that they cannot land/sustain a job (hence their unemployment and poverty). So my question is... if they cannot land/sustain an entry job, what are the chances that they'll become a successful entrepreneur? It's an honest question by the way, not poking fun at anybody.
          There are many unemployed people today that were laid off from real Fortune 50 companies that are unable to land a job because working an entry position would be too far a step backwards to even think about. My sister-in-law is one of these people that was an IT specialist for VH1 and now has lost here position due to cutbacks.

          If she accepted a IT tech job for a person just out of school she would earn less than she draws on unemployment. That's just dumb.

          She also would be a very good candidate to start up her own business because she is very smart, motivated, and willing to work at it.

          Your view of the national economy and the available employment opportunities is tainted to say the least. There are thousands of educated professionals that cannot find work today in her same position. Hundreds of thousands actually.
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          • Originally Posted by abcprofits View Post

            There are many unemployed people today that were laid off from real Fortune 50 companies that are unable to land a job because working an entry position would be too far a step backwards to even think about.
            Sorry, but that does NOT qualify as poverty. That's a professional who can work if he so chooses, but who prefers to filter out low-paying career choices.

            The OP said that he's searching for, and I quote, "poor Americans". You really need to reconsider your definition of "poor".
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          Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

          I dont doubt it, but the truth is that they cannot land/sustain a job (hence their unemployment and poverty). So my question is... if they cannot land/sustain an entry job, what are the chances that they'll become a successful entrepreneur? It's an honest question by the way, not poking fun at anybody.
          Did you watch the video in post #31 Sir?

          Those are people who are "certified" poor by the U.S government. They collect food stamps, they're on welfare, they go to food pantries. If not for those services - by their own admission, they'd starve.

          The clicker? Most are former professionals, with skills, one lady even had "two Masters Degrees".

          That scenario is being played out all over America for the last 12 years, at least. I'm not sure where a lot of people in this thread has been. Is everyone prosperous and living well where you live? (Not counting the usual stereotypes mentioned in this thread).

          All I'm trying to graciously say is many people in this threads definition of the poor and unemployed is outdated to say the least, judging by the comments and advice.

          I know you mean well, many people here is just offering too many comments and advice based on assumptions and stereotypes and not current facts.

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    • Profile picture of the author alleycatnews
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      Your motivations are admirable, but I must question whether you've actually thought this through...

      Do you realize that you're trying to teach someone who cannot even land/sustain an entry job how to become an successful entrepreneur? Sorry to say, but your failure rate will be close to 100%.

      I appreciate your thoughts but there isn't 1 reason for long term unemployed.

      Could be many reasons. Record, never taught what an honest days work vs honest day pay is, easier to collect check then work, no hope, all friends and family in the same boat and don't see the role models. What it is the saying you make the amount of $$ on average of your closest friends/family. IE we hang out with people who we are comfortable with etc..

      Does that work out all the time of course not. I am sure their are guys who make a million a year hanging out with $30k a year guys. But in general sense overtime that does present itself. So if all you see is people working dead end jobs, if where you live is only people who are unemployed, dead end jobs, etc.. it does bleed in.

      I don't want this to get into a topic of social ills/economic ills of the world who is wrong who is right. I understand its an uphill battle and if 100 people went thru I am not naive to think we would have 50% "success" rate. But its the few that work it and are successful it can change not only their lives but their families lives for GENERATIONS.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    Again, stereotypes about the poor abound in this thread. There are millions of people who do have regular jobs and are the "working poor." Some people have two and three part-time jobs trying to make ends meet. So, it's ridiculous and ignorant to make claims that poor people can't/don't qualify for entry level jobs.

    Thank God there are people like the OP who are not judgmental about the poor, but genuinely want to find ways to help them lift up out of poverty and have a secure future. There's no easy answer for how to go about this, but Bravo to the OP and others for doing something.

    I agree that some motivational encouragement is needed as well as a solid plan of implementation. Perhaps a focus on starting a microbusiness that someone can start for less than $100. With the church's help the program could choose a few business models.

    Online: Amazon product promotion via website. Adsense site.

    Offline: Service business of some type. Making and selling homemade jewelry, soap, perfume.

    Pick a few test subjects and guide them through the whole process. Fix any problems or issues as they come up. Once there is success, roll out the program to more people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Red Eagle
    Originally Posted by alleycatnews View Post

    I am interesting in teaching Affiliate marketing stuff to people have been long term unemployeed
    Good, you found a cause that motivates you.

    Step 1. Visit GreatNonprofits: read reviews of nonprofit organizations, NGOs and charities before you volunteer or donate. (or visit a similar site) and find a local nonprofit that is already doing this.
    Step 2. Volunteer your services and/or donate to their cause.
    Step 3. Get to work
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  • Profile picture of the author ContentZen
    I guess you'd need to clarify your goal a bit, before moving forward.

    Are you attempting to pull people out of poverty that have already hit rock bottom? If so, logistics come into play -- how will they be accessing computers/internet? In my area, that'd be the library, in one hour chunks. The demand for those one hour time blocks is actually pretty high, and I'd think it'd be difficult to build an online business in 1-2 hours a day, especially for someone with no in person support. I'm not saying it's impossible, just pointing out an access issue.

    Are you attempting to market to people who are working, but still struggling to make ends meet? Then you're likely looking at individuals who are almost making it, but not quite. They may have a computer and Internet, but limited time available. On the other hand, they're likely working at least a full time job, possibly part time as well, and are used to hard work for long hours. Again, in my area, because that's what I know, people are thrilled -- THRILLED -- to make $12+ an hour. That's fairly easy to do with something as simple as creating online content.

    Or, if you're interested in long term change, maybe set up a multi-tiered approach of some sort? High school kids, working poor, homeless, but with slightly different plans of attack for each demographic.

    If you're looking for solely online marketing, it might even be worth it to consider a job forum, or a work at home job site, or something showing people that there are legitimate "jobs" online from home. Not even the MMO niche, necessarily, but how to work for companies online. In some areas the job market's really slim, and Internet based jobs would open up a lot of opportunities.
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  • Profile picture of the author alleycatnews
    Thanks again for all your comments thoughts.

    As far as who its for.... My first thought is to the people in my church who don't have jobs for various reasons, who may be at wits end etc... Would I turn away the working poor person of course not and maybe it will be more helpful to them I don't know.

    My point isn't to target a middle class person looking to make a few extra bucks or wants to some day leave his/her job.

    This would be a stepping stone. It wouldn't be something that will go from $0 to full time income by the end of the class. Its to give hope, its to show that its possible, its to see the world a little bit different then you currently are.

    I use to live in a beach town. Wilmington NC. My wife worked in the rougher inner city part school system. You would talk to some of the middle school kids and they have NEVER seen the ocean. It was like 10-15 min drive to the ocean and they have never seen it in 12-14 years they have lived.
    People sometimes just stay in their own little world and NEVER know anything different. And with long term poor that can be the case.

    If I can open their eyes a bit help them make a few bucks online get a check or a deposit for $5-$50 whatever it can lit a fire. Do you remember your first $$ online or first "BIG" payout online it probably motivated you and gave you a feeling unlike anything else.
    I want to help walk along side of others who normally wouldn't get that chance.

    Of course it will have MANY fails but that is ok. Many won't show up, many won't do the work but that is life not just poor people. How many people went to college but never finished? ME!!

    I wasn't the schooling type nor was I the working for the man type. The last job I held I would actually Throw up each day prior to going in to the job because I KNEW, I was wasting my time their and knew I could have success online. (FYI I didn't stay long in that job :>)

    Not everyone wants to work for themselves but I want to find some that do. Some that are willing to work but just need a hand/help/mentor to guide them.

    Just like a basketball coach. The JV coach, HS coach isn't the right coach for that guy once he is in college or the NBA. But he helped get him to the next level.

    I don't know it all and if you are looking to make a million I am NOT your guy. But I have been making money online for over a decade so I do know how to make a buck or two.

    As far as cost for the client. Their wouldn't be any. I agree their has to be an element of hope/motivation/drive explained and shown to the clients.

    As far as cost not sure what exactly we will tackle but I would probably fund the project myself IE at the end or during the process I would pay for the domain/ads/whatever out of pocket BASED on their work assignments/attendance etc.. So its incentive to show up etc..

    So if you have some micro income ideas keep them coming we may go those directions to get the ball rolling.
    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Not everyone wants to work for themselves but I want to find some that do. Some that are willing to work but just need a hand/help/mentor to guide them.
      It can work but best to start with a series of challenges to see who is serious about reaching for "more" and who is thinking "easy money-nothing to lose".

      One way to do some challenges might be to have a few people do some work for YOU on your own sites and pay them with hosting, helping them build a site or blog and training. People take work - and opportunity - more seriously if they have skin in the game. The skin can be some work rather than money.
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  • Profile picture of the author ceenote100
    The majority of the lower class doesn't have the entrepreneur spirit. They've been taught to work for others their whole life. Internet marketing isn't overnight riches so they'll give up before trying.

    Just my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Phil Steptoe
    I would honestly start people off with Fiverr. That is one of the easiest and most easily understandable ways to form an online business. Most people would get confused with product creation, affiliates, sales funnels, and email marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author ericando12
    I suggest you to teach these people how to make money by doing freelancing jobs,show them how to start a freelancing activity like ''writing,voice over,proofreading,transcribing'' Fiverr is a great option.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by EPoltrack77 View Post

      You really have to ask... what are they poor?

      Don't misunderstand me... I was poor for years. Litterly flat broke!

      I stayed that way until my thoughts changed.
      Over the years, in good times and bad, I've noticed that there is a big difference in someone who is poor and one who is merely broke even though many use the terms interchangeably.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeff Schuman
        I agree with John. There is a big difference between being poor and being broke. For many years I have referred people to take the free Internet Income Course offered by SFI. People who actually learn some of the skills taught in it can change their circumstances and they feel good about it because they are taking control of their situation. Those who earn their first dollar online have a real chance of making money online with affiliate marketing or whatever business model they settle into.
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  • Profile picture of the author Flyingpig7
    I agree with Alexa & Dubdubdot,

    Another point is I don't want to make an assumptions but these poor people do they have the really basic things... A computer, Wi-fi or internet access?

    If not do they have the money to hire them at the local Internet cafe?
    I kinda think these are the biggest things to tackle first before teaching anyone anything.

    Next you're going to come across the " I'm down and the world is against me" mentallity negativity changing minds is going to take you quite a bit of time to overcome; before you've even started on IM related teaching.
    So the question is do you have the time, inifinite paitience to cope? Admirable though your aims are. I'm not saying it cannot be done but it will be very slow and cost you in money and energy to achieve.

    I think that JohnMcCabe has a point going directly to community or government groups would be more effective.

    Just my 2p
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      It'd be nice if more people would give him what he requested. Here's what he wants ...

      "I would like actionable stuff that they can apply and do and by the end of the course have something to show for it."


      Just help him brainstorm. There's a lot of intelligent minds in this thread, I know I've seen most of your post in the past. Instead people keep piling on and flooding him with reasons why he shouldn't.

      Are you forgetting, he's not some head-in-the clouds newbie. He's been doing this full-time for 12 years, maybe longer than many of those warning him of the possible pit-falls. Don't you think he may have considered that already.

      He just wants ideas, let him use his experience to sort out what's do-able or not do-able later. So many people offering doubt and fears... but no ideas, what good is that?
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        I'm going back to my original answer.

        If the objective is to eventually move long-term unemployed to employment through developing some IM skills, working with state/county/local already existing programs to identify potential candidates and funnel them into the program might have the most effect.

        Even if these folks don't become business owners, such a training program could give them demonstrable skills they could transfer to a regular job. Don't believe me? Scan through the job listings on Craigslist. Once you filter out the bait-and-switch bizopps, there are many companies looking for help in online marketing, from site design to content writing to help with social media.
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      • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
        Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

        Are you forgetting, he's not some head-in-the clouds newbie. He's been doing this full-time for 12 years, maybe longer than many of those warning him of the possible pit-falls. Don't you think he may have considered that already.

        He just wants ideas, let him use his experience to sort out what's do-able or not do-able later. So many people offering doubt and fears... but no ideas, what good is that?
        He needs to be more specific about who he's targeting.

        I and most people reading and who have contributed to this thread are not exactly sure what his definition of "poor americans" is.

        Could mean anything. Very general/vague.
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  • Profile picture of the author grandstar
    I am totally in support of Alexa and McCabe. However i would suggest blogging for some where they chronicle their experience on the dole. If well optimised such blogs canl attract thousands of daily readers and can be monetised big time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Reed
    The best way to teach someone any job skill is to have them work for a business that is in the same industry.

    The people currently working here and previously working here have learned online marketing at an amazingly rapid rate. So if you want them to learn, find a way to get them hired by an established firm.
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