Business Ultimatum, HELP!

by VmaNx
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Hey everyone. Recently I have been contemplating a heavy decision. Should I stick with affiliate marketing or take my money and start investing into the stock market (also paying for a mentor ofcourse). The thing is, I make decent money with CPA marketing, but I just don't see myself ever making six-figures monthly like my goal is to do so with CPA. I look at the heavyweights like Greg Davis, Peter Parks, etc, each of them making over $50,000 a day, and I wonder about how to get to that point. Honestly, scaling one PPC campaign on Facebook Ads isn't going to generate that kind of money unless you hit a goldmine niche. I had always wanted to get into investing but have been skeptical of the stability of the current market. So heres what I ask you all, what should I DO? Take the money I have saved up so far from CPA and start investing into stocks, OR, stick with CPA and try to hit my goal of $100,000 a month? If you answer stick with CPA, please give me some pointers on how to start scaling big. Thank you all.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Why not stick with affiliate marketing and save up to invest in stocks at the same time? Why can't you do both?
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    • Profile picture of the author VmaNx
      Originally Posted by ChrisBa View Post

      Why not stick with affiliate marketing and save up to invest in stocks at the same time? Why can't you do both?

      Well because I am planning on devoting all of the money I have set aside to either or, and I really would want to focus on one or the other. I don't think trying to daytrade while making a landing page for example at the same time is a very good idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author fcf360
    Originally Posted by VmaNx View Post

    If you answer stick with CPA, please give me some pointers on how to start scaling big. Thank you all.
    Stick with CPA.

    You scale CPA by focusing on mass markets, and improving your conversions. You improve your conversions by maybe developing your own products for the market as well, that is if you cannot find a product that converts well for a mass market of your choosing.
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    • Profile picture of the author VmaNx
      Originally Posted by fcf360 View Post

      Stick with CPA.

      You scale CPA by focusing on mass markets, and improving your conversions. You improve your conversions by maybe developing your own products for the market as well, that is if you cannot find a product that converts well for a mass market of your choosing.

      Thanks for these tips!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Looking at where you are right this moment, I think choosing either alternative is a big risk.

    You've got visions of grandeur when you even mention figures like $50,000/day and wonder how you can do that.

    Before you can reap those kind of numbers, you got to generate $100 a day consistently. Then you've got to scale up to $150/day, then $200/day, etc.

    I would suggest you start a real business, work at it hard, and grow it over time and put the big money out of your mind for now. Dreams have their place in motivating action, but sometimes they can consume you and cause you to become immobilized.

    The best to you,

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    • Profile picture of the author VmaNx
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      Looking at where you are right this moment, I think choosing either alternative is a big risk.

      You've got visions of grandeur when you even mention figures like $50,000/day and wonder how you can do that.

      Before you can reap those kind of numbers, you got to generate $100 a day consistently. Then you've got to scale up to $150/day, then $200/day, etc.

      I would suggest you start a real business, work at it hard, and grow it over time and put the big money out of your mind for now. Dreams have their place in motivating action, but sometimes they can consume you and cause you to become immobilized.

      The best to you,

      Steve

      This is very true, however I am not looking to achieve $100,000 overnight, I mean on a longterm level, thinking about what I can do now to start getting closer and closer to that goal over time, the sooner the better! Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Originally Posted by VmaNx View Post

    I look at the heavyweights like Greg Davis, Peter Parks, etc, each of them making over $50,000 a day, and I wonder about how to get to that point.
    You think they make $50,000 per day?

    That averages out to $18,250,000 per year. At some point you've got to stop and ask yourself why someone making that kind of cash is wasting their time with the gooroo act.
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    • Profile picture of the author fcf360
      Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

      You think they make $50,000 per day?

      That averages out to $18,250,000 per year. At some point you've got to stop and ask yourself why someone making that kind of cash is wasting their time with the gooroo act.
      It's $50,000 per day for 20 business days in a month, equaling a business that generates $1 Million dollars a month in revenue.

      Most of these businesses are high margin businesses, generating $500,000 per month or so in profits.
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    • Profile picture of the author VmaNx
      Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

      You think they make $50,000 per day?

      That averages out to $18,250,000 per year. At some point you've got to stop and ask yourself why someone making that kind of cash is wasting their time with the gooroo act.

      They are. Theres a reason not many people Have heard of them, and the AM's of their networks have verified the stats on other forums before.
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      • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
        Originally Posted by VmaNx View Post

        They are. Theres a reason not many people Have heard of them, and the AM's of their networks have verified the stats on other forums before.
        The programs have no motive for publicly verifying stats other than to create a poster boy to help drum up interest in the program. The marketer then has "proof" to help push his gooroo offers. With that kind of program-marketer relationship comes a great potential for abuse. Both sides are probably lying.

        The CPA industry is full of filthy liars. The sooner some of you realize that the better.
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  • Profile picture of the author oWEN tEBB
    So how much are you making consistently with CPA? Personally I think Steve right. Its great that you have dreams of hitting those numbers but constantly thinking of it can hold you back. You need to overcome this and stay focused. People making them figures have been working hard on perfecting their business models and its taken them time.

    so basically tweak your methods until you consistently making figures $150.... $250.... $500 daily then its about scaling up by having multiple income streams. So the bottom line is that is good to have dreams its what drives us to push on but lets your aspirations of BIG MONEY hold you back. Stay real and keep focused, your hard work will pay off.
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    • Profile picture of the author VmaNx
      Originally Posted by oWEN tEBB View Post

      So how much are you making consistently with CPA? Personally I think Steve right. Its great that you have dreams of hitting those numbers but constantly thinking of it can hold you back. You need to overcome this and stay focused. People making them figures have been working hard on perfecting their business models and its taken them time.

      so basically tweak your methods until you consistently making figures $150.... $250.... $500 daily then its about scaling up by having multiple income streams. So the bottom line is that is good to have dreams its what drives us to push on but lets your aspirations of BIG MONEY hold you back. Stay real and keep focused, your hard work will pay off.

      Currently I'm making about $350 a day total from 2 campaigns.
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  • I'm no financial expert but my gut feeling is that the stock market is rigged! Anything that they protect from a central place and is not free market is in my opinion rigged. I'm sure the experts disagree, but this is what I (no expert with no degree or background) thinks is true. So my 2 cents is do the first thing not the stock (affiliate). Good luck.
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  • Baby step my friend. Follow the yin yang principle and have two powers working together in cycles for business success.

    Have a blog and seo free traffic, youtube channel and social syndication. This is for long term health of your business. Now reinvest your profit 70% back into paid ads to get your brand in front of as many eyes as possible going through your sales funnel.

    Having a long term branding is the best way in my opinion to reach those goalsz

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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by fcf360 View Post

      It's $50,000 per day for 20 business days in a month, equaling a business that generates $1 Million dollars a month in revenue.

      Most of these businesses are high margin businesses, generating $500,000 per month or so in profits.
      Originally Posted by VmaNx View Post

      They are. Theres a reason not many people Have heard of them, and the AM's of their networks have verified the stats on other forums before.
      To both of you, source for those figures please?
      I'm not taking about he,she,they said or the AM verified xyz, have you actually eyeballed bank accounts, tax returns etc?
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      • Profile picture of the author fcf360
        Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

        To both of you, source for those figures please?
        I'm not taking about he,she,they said or the AM verified xyz, have you actually eyeballed bank accounts, tax returns etc?
        Greg Davis (aka Mr. $50K a Day), his numbers are verified. It's not that hard to generate $1 Million in revenues a month when you are buying traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author megalinktraffic
    initially stick on to cpa and start a RD with your bank investing your profits.. after an year you could decide about other areas..
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  • Profile picture of the author Dbm811
    With the right tools you can make allmost any kind of money in the stock market but be aware its RISKY!
    Get the right kind of traning and find some tools to help you trade then it can be achived.

    But if i where you, i would stay with CPA marketing and start scaling up, your closer to the goal with what you are doing now.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    I think being at all time highs and behaving the opposite of most trusted indicators means it is a great time to start pouring your money into the stock market.

    Or wait a few months and pick things up dirt cheap when everything crashes.

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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Hey Vma,
    I think you have some lofty goals. Maybe too lofty ?
    You know how many people in this World make 50K a day ? Well it is not impossible but maybe you should think about making 50K a year and then take it from there.

    As far as Investing and Trading ?

    Do you have 50K of disposable income you can afford to lose ?
    That's what it will take to start out and learn the ropes.

    Maybe 10K but that is the bare, bare minimum imo

    To make 100K in Trading per month you need a Stake higher than 50K

    Trading is a tough game. There are probably higher failing rates in it than even IM


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      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

      To make 100K in Trading per month you need a Stake higher than 50K
      That's for sure!

      The top floor-traders at places like Goldman Sachs are expected to clear, on average, something like 5% - 6% profit per month, (nearly 100% over the year, when compounded), on their accounts. On that basis, you'd want capital of around 1.7 Million, to make 100k per month.

      Unless, of course, you think can consistently out-trade the world's top professionals (and there are actually many inexperienced/gullible individual/home traders who do imagine that they're going to be able to do just that!).

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    • Profile picture of the author VmaNx
      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

      Hey Vma,
      I think you have some lofty goals. Maybe too lofty ?
      You know how many people in this World make 50K a day ? Well it is not impossible but maybe you should think about making 50K a year and then take it from there.

      As far as Investing and Trading ?

      Do you have 50K of disposable income you can awhiffordo lose ?
      That's wha t it w iill take to star tI
      Maybe 10K but tht at is the bare, bare minimum imo

      To make 100K in Trading per month you need a Stake higher than 50K

      Trading is a tough game. There are probably higher failing rates in it than even IM


      - Robert Andrew

      I have a total of $20,000 saved up to invest in either CPA or trading, and I understand that I need a stake higher than 50k to achieve 100k/month in trading. But I am also not planning on doing this alone, I will be getting proper training from a trading mentor. Either way I go, it will take time and I accept that!


      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      First... instability in the stock market is a good thing if you want to make money short term.

      But... what I'd advise is to break that $100K/mo goal down to smaller
      increments. I don't know how much you earn presently but if it's less
      than $1000/mo set your goal to reach that level. What you learn along
      the way will give you insights into how to reach the next level... say $2500/mo
      and so on as you learn more technique and scale up your plans.

      The guys you mentioned didn't jump right out and start earning $100K/mo
      and I have serious doubts that they consistently earn $50K/day.
      This is true and I understand that it will take time, the only dilemma I have is which choice will pay off MORE in the long run. Thanks for the insight!


      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      That's for sure!

      The top floor-traders00 at place. lik0e Goldman Sachs are expected to clear, on average, something like 5% - 6% profit per month, (nearly 100% over the year, when compounded), on their accounts. On that basis, you'd want capital of around 1.7 Million, to make 100k per month.

      Unless, of course, you think can consistently out-trade the world's top professionals (and there are actually many inexperienced/gullible individual/home traders who do imagine that they're going to be able to do just that!).

      .

      I don't want to start out at $100,000/month, that is a goal for the future. My plan was to grow my account exponentially and then start trading bigger amounts which ofcourse, would mean bigger profit and eventually reaching a point to start making gains of six-figures monthly, once my account was large enough to sustain that volume of losses and gains.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Originally Posted by VmaNx View Post

    Hey everyone. Recently I have been contemplating a heavy decision. Should I stick with affiliate marketing or take my money and start investing into the stock market (also paying for a mentor ofcourse). The thing is, I make decent money with CPA marketing, but I just don't see myself ever making six-figures monthly like my goal is to do so with CPA. I look at the heavyweights like Greg Davis, Peter Parks, etc, each of them making over $50,000 a day, and I wonder about how to get to that point. Honestly, scaling one PPC campaign on Facebook Ads isn't going to generate that kind of money unless you hit a goldmine niche. I had always wanted to get into investing but have been skeptical of the stability of the current market. So heres what I ask you all, what should I DO? Take the money I have saved up so far from CPA and start investing into stocks, OR, stick with CPA and try to hit my goal of $100,000 a month? If you answer stick with CPA, please give me some pointers on how to start scaling big. Thank you all.
    First... instability in the stock market is a good thing if you want to make money short term.

    But... what I'd advise is to break that $100K/mo goal down to smaller
    increments. I don't know how much you earn presently but if it's less
    than $1000/mo set your goal to reach that level. What you learn along
    the way will give you insights into how to reach the next level... say $2500/mo
    and so on as you learn more technique and scale up your plans.

    The guys you mentioned didn't jump right out and start earning $100K/mo
    and I have serious doubts that they consistently earn $50K/day.
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  • Profile picture of the author asamanthinketh
    You're definitely doing something right; in that you have an active income stream viz online marketing.

    You've also got a healthy dose of ambition.

    If I get you right, what you seek is clarity. Yes?

    I don't want to go into a lecture here. But here's what it is:

    1. Unless you absolutely loathe internet marketing (and I'm sure you don't), don't kill that income stream. AUTOMATE & SYSTEMIZE - not very hard to do. You can pre-write a years worth of autoresponders in under a month and also setup some perennial traffic getting systems.

    2. Learn more about personal finance. The video below explains the most important concepts in a very simple and succint manner; Bill Ackman manages to explain in under an hour the most critical elements of a solid business framework - forget about the media reports, this stuff is gold. I would know.


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    3. Take some time to create a personal long-term financial success strategy and figure where both IM and stock trading fit in. Considerations of your desired lifestyle and the risks (which I'm sure you learned how to manage in Ackman's video above) is also essential.

    After these three steps, you should gain the clarity you need to make the right decision for yourself - you always know the best answers.

    Don't chase the money. Become so sexy the money hunts you down. Nothing is more sexy to fickle fate than a man on a mission - what is your overarching purpose? What can you deliver to the 'nth' degree? Give value and the money will come.

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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    What are you going to do with $50,000 a day? Lol...

    More than likely they have staff, telemarketers, great offline marketing personnel, and a product replication and fulfillment team. Also... they probably sell products around $500-$1000 each. Or even $1000-$5000. Jay Abraham status.

    Anyway, start small and prove to yourself that you can sell the "easy" stuff first. If you can consistently earn $2,000 a month selling low-priced items, then i'd say go for your ambitions and try to shoot for the stars for $50,000 a day.
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    • Profile picture of the author VmaNx
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      What are you going to do with $50,000 a day? Lol...

      More than likely they have staff, telemarketers, great offline marketing personnel, and a product replication and fulfillment team. Also... they probably sell products around $500-$1000 each. Or even $1000-$5000. Jay Abraham status.

      Anyway, start small and prove to yourself that you can sell the "easy" stuff first. If you can consistently earn $2,000 a month selling low-priced items, then i'd say go for your ambitions and try to shoot for the stars for $50,000 a day.

      You must not have read my post correctly. I do not want 50k daily. My goal is $100,000 a month. I
      was simply remarking about Greg's earnings just to clarify to you guys what is possible with CPA.

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      if i were you i would do 2 things
      i would start trading in binary options but after good learning. you can find many youtube channels and free courses on line. learn binary options while maintaining your business then once you become good with binary options you can promote any good binary options company for CPA or revshare.
      so , trade with high earning potential and bring new people to trade and earn for bringing them too.
      Trading binary options is a joke, majority of the brokers themselves are scams.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mahmoodadds
        Originally Posted by VmaNx View Post

        Y

        Trading binary options is a joke, majority of the brokers themselves are scams.
        don't agree with you, there are a few good ones . don't forget all on line business are full with scams and you have to pick the trustworthy ones.
        pick one of the minority brokers
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    if i were you i would do 2 things
    i would start trading in binary options but after good learning. you can find many youtube channels and free courses on line. learn binary options while maintaining your business then once you become good with binary options you can promote any good binary options company for CPA or revshare.
    so , trade with high earning potential and bring new people to trade and earn for bringing them too.
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  • Profile picture of the author SDsurfer
    Both? Why abandon something that's working completely. Maybe just work on scaling up and learning more and more about how to optimize your affiliate stuff, and try some of the investing on the side?
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    • Profile picture of the author VmaNx
      Originally Posted by SDsurfer View Post

      Both? Why abandon something that's working completely. Maybe just work on scaling up and learning more and more about how to optimize your affiliate stuff, and try some of the investing on the side?

      Well because I want to put all of my time, effort and money into one thing, thus maximizing the chance for higher profits.


      Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

      The programs have no motive for publicly verifying stats other than to create a poster boy to help drum up interest in the program. The marketer then has "proof" to help push his gooroo offers. With that kind of program-marketer relationship comes a great potential for abuse. Both sides are probably lying.

      The CPA industry is full of filthy liars. The sooner some of you realize that the better.

      Well, when I'm on a live webinar with the person making such claims, and I see this person with my own eyes log into their CPA account LIVE and pull up the daily stats, I do not think that is a lie. Sure there are liars in the IM industry PERIOD. No different than someone using inspect element to switch around the numbers. But believe me, some people are legit and you cannot deny live webinar proof.
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      • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
        Originally Posted by VmaNx View Post

        Well, when I'm on a live webinar with the person making such claims, and I see this person with my own eyes log into their CPA account LIVE and pull up the daily stats, I do not think that is a lie.
        They direct the domain name to a local IP that serves a fake website.
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        • Profile picture of the author VmaNx
          Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

          They direct the domain name to a local IP that serves a fake website.
          Okay now you are just being ridiculous. There is a point when skepticism goes to far. Please tell me the need for him to go through all of that trouble, when there was nothing for sale on the webinar in the FIRST PLACE?
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          • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
            Originally Posted by VmaNx View Post

            Okay now you are just being ridiculous. There is a point when skepticism goes to far.
            I am just illustrating how the "seeing is believing" element of live stats logins isn't what it's cracked up to be. I'll bet very few people reading this had any idea that could be easily faked.

            Originally Posted by VmaNx View Post

            Please tell me the need for him to go through all of that trouble, when there was nothing for sale on the webinar in the FIRST PLACE?
            I'm not sure who we are talking about at this point. I'm just saying nobody that makes $50k a day is going to run a gooroo program for newbies. Nobody. Literally nobody.

            If you saw a webinar with one of these "$50k a day" guys showing his stats but not selling anything in conjunction with the webinar, then I would say it's a scheme to separate bogus personal income claims from the gooroo program marketing to limit exposure to FTC fines.

            As far fetched as some of this sounds, you and many other people on this forum have to accept this as the reality of the seedy world of "make money online" coaching.
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  • Profile picture of the author EPoltrack77
    yeah, I like the idea of using your online business to funnel your stock trading. I can relate. Trading is a lot of fun.

    You have a vision so your on the right path. Now create some goals and daily plans to achieve those goals and go after it. Start small and scale from there.

    Biggest thing to understand is that you might not get it right the first, second or even third try but each time you do it you gain from it. Follow a proven path anotherward what other successful people are doing and copy them. Those fellas making 50k or more a day.... They didn't start there. They started right where you are right now so if they can do it you can also.
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