How Does Social Bookmarking Help?

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I've been told by a lot of people that whenever you make a new site or blog or even a blog post you should use social bookmarking software to book mark your site.

I don't get this.

If I make a new bookmark in my personal del.icio.us account who would see it?

Do these bookmarks give me link juice?

Won't anyone browsing my account just see what looks like a bunch of spammy links?

Does Google pick up include my personal bookmarks in search results?

It just doesn't make any sense to me at all.

Please, someone, enlighten me.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Originally Posted by JoshuaG View Post

    I've been told by a lot of people that whenever you make a new site or blog or even a blog post you should use social bookmarking software to book mark your site.

    I don't get this.

    If I make a new bookmark in my personal del.icio.us account who would see it?

    Do these bookmarks give me link juice?

    Won't anyone browsing my account just see what looks like a bunch of spammy links?

    Does Google pick up include my personal bookmarks in search results?

    It just doesn't make any sense to me at all.

    Please, someone, enlighten me.
    Social bookmarking is mainly for the purpose of increasing your rankings. Although some social bookmarking sites can send you traffic directly. If you create an account and become a member of the community by making friend request, posting "real" comments, and etc then bookmarking will help you 10 fold over.

    Many make a huge mistake by using some junk software to post link after link after link and never login their accounts. What they do not realize is all the money they leave on the table by not taking part in the social bookmarking site as a community member.

    * Yes the give you link juice.. Some are do follow and some are no follow but you do NOT need to worry about that. Post on them either way because either way it still increases your ranking and helps you.

    * If you post a bunch of spammy links then that is what others will see. On the other hand if you play it smart and boomark sites that you "do not own" but are actually interested in then it looks less spammy when you bookmark your sites.

    * Google can include the bookmarks yes, they can include your profile also..

    * If you create an account at del.icio.us (and many other bookmark sites) yes everyone can see your links. Some sites allow you to add links as private if you choose to do so.

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
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    • Profile picture of the author altos
      Social bookmarking can also help your new sites to get indexed a whole lot quicker than if you just left it up to the big G. When you get a link from a high PR site that is spidered 'often' those spiders follow the link back to your site and go "'ello! 'ello it looks like we found something new."

      Some folks use this gambit to get sites indexed in hours instead of days or weeks.

      HTH!
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by altos View Post

        Social bookmarking can also help your new sites to get indexed a whole lot quicker than if you just left it up to the big G. When you get a link from a high PR site that is spidered 'often' those spiders follow the link back to your site and go "'ello! 'ello it looks like we found something new."

        Some folks use this gambit to get sites indexed in hours instead of days or weeks.

        HTH!
        You do not need any high PR sites to index within minutes in google. PR means very little, personally I do not care who disagrees with that because it is a fact that has been proven over and over. Just because a site is PR 7 does not mean they have traffic.. It is very possible for a PR 7 to have very low traffic and a PR 0 to have very high traffic. "Page Rank" means just that what "google" ranks a page at, not a site.

        James
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        • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
          To cover all my bases, I usually do backlinking with high PR sites for quality backlinks as well as social bookmarking for quantity backllinks.
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        • Profile picture of the author Carl Pruitt
          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

          You do not need any high PR sites to index within minutes in google. PR means very little, personally I do not care who disagrees with that because it is a fact that has been proven over and over. Just because a site is PR 7 does not mean they have traffic.. It is very possible for a PR 7 to have very low traffic and a PR 0 to have very high traffic. "Page Rank" means just that what "google" ranks a page at, not a site.

          James
          I'm certainly a far cry from the world's greatest seo expert but I've done a lot of reading up on this lately and pagerank actually does mean something. Just not much in terms of using social bookmarking to get indexed. The "page" in pagerank doesn't refer to a web page but is derived from the name of one of the co-founders of Google who came up with the concept, Larry Page.

          Pagerank is just part of the algorithm and, as you say, not based on traffic per se. It is based on the number of other websites Google considers authoritative which cite your website. Pagerank only measures authority and not trust. All other things being equal, a page with higher pagerank will rank higher than one with lower pagerank. The tricky part to that statement is that all other things are very rarely equal.

          There are hundreds (thousands?) of other factors that enter into the trust part of the equation such as what type of link it is, how the link got where it is (i.e. placed by you or by the page author or someone else), and so on. Google is smart at determining those differences, but far from perfect. They can't always tell the difference between these types of links. So they look for warning signs. I think that one of the warning signs Google has picked up on is a bookmarking account with links to only a few websites. One of the great things about automated bookmarking software is that it makes it very easy to bookmark other pages so you avoid that problem.

          So I agree that pagerank doesn't really have much to do with getting indexed in the first place. Automated social bookmarking in a variety of places just increases the chances of Google's bot finding and indexing your pages sooner rather than later. It isn't some sort of wonder tool for ranking at the top of the search engine results. But it should be one part of your set of tools.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by josephbabalola View Post

      it is just for ranking your site!
      Social Bookmarking is for far more than just increasing the ranking your site.. This is a huge mistake many make when social bookmarking, they just want to bookmark their site and go on. You should be taking part in the social bookmarking community also by making friend request, posting comments, building groups, and etc....

      The main reason of social bookmarking is to increase rankings but -- I get approx 20 - 30 unique visits everyday directly from social bookmarking sites. Now sure that direct traffic does not seem like much but that is on top of my normal traffic, so that is 20 or 30 more possible sales / customers I can have.

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
        Hi JoshuaG,

        If you choose to, you can simplify all of this complicated stuff into a few short(ish) rules of thumb that you can go by, and then concentrate on getting things done.

        Firstly, remember that search engines are robots with an algorithm at their core.

        Secondly, factor in that theses SEs have a lot of money to spend on their system, a large human staff, a lot of data to process to help them improve, and a lot of people so keen to sell their SEO products that they either give their 'secrets' away for free, or for a small fee - to anyone who wants to buy them, including people working for search engines.

        Thirdly, the part of the algorithm allegedly relating to backlinks is rumoured, at the basic level, to rank sites based on a system where backlinks are treated as some kind of 'vote' for the site that they link to.

        Lastly, and possibly most importantly for people like most of us, however complex their system is, at it's core, logical thought would suggest to us that it's ranking system would be based on a starting point where, after putting all of the relevant link factors into it's algorithm (IE age, page position, anchor, relevance - and many more things) at the basic level it would give more weight to links that are difficult to obtain than those which are not, because the algorithm is most likely to be trying to decipher which links are self-created and which links were truly provided as a 'vote' from an independent 3rd party.

        Make sense?

        So in short, the harder they are to obtain and the more they appear to be obtained 'naturally' (IE not self-created) then in all probability the more likely they are to carry weight.

        Your question -

        How Does Social Bookmarking Help?
        If you were maintaining the algorithm, how much weight would you provide to a social bookmarking link where the majority of these bookmarking sites are absolutely powerless to stop mass automated backlink self-creation?

        I'm not knocking social bookmarking as a promotion tactic, but I am suggesting that people consider these things in a logical manner and try to predict the best course of action to take, in order to maximise their productivity based on their own future internet predictions.

        People are attracted to social bookmarking as a promotional tactic due to it's ease. We know this, but so do the SEs.

        One last thing to consider. When you try and create long-term benefits from your actions, you should consider that the internet (and specifically the search engines) change very rapidly.

        Therefore, if you choose a course of action in an area that over time is likely to provide MORE benefits if things change as you predict, then that's a smart move.

        If you do the opposite, and choose a course of action where you feel that due to the changes that you think will occur in the future on the internet and in the SEs then whatever action you have taken will provide less benefits over time, then perhaps you should reconsider your actions.

        In summary, if you end up following the specific advice given by SEs themselves, then you are likely to be less prone to damage from their changes.

        But at all times it's prudent to remember that they are not God, they are not a law making agency, they are a fellow business that has profits to protect and grow and shareholders to please - therefore, they may not always give you advice that is genuinely in your best interests - there's a high chance that they are trying to protect their own investment and increase profits, whilst appearing to look altruistic and positively/socially motivated.

        In public, it is in their interest to act as if they have a 'conscience' and that they are solely motivated to provide internet users with a lovely, seamless, helpful and reliable search experience - in order to maintain the perceived integrity of their organic search results, and therefore the integrity of the internet as a whole - because currently, the two are inextricably linked.

        In private, they are a normal profit making business with their focus and priorities devoted to that profit and to increasing it and achieving further growth and market dominance. The usefulness and accuracy of their organic listings directly relates to the success of their core business which is paid advertising and data-mining.

        The job of an SEO person therefore, in simple terms, is to find a way to create actions that have the most benefit whilst making them appear to be innocently occurring via the actions of unrelated 3rd parties (in the 'eyes' of the SEs), with the least amount of effort possible - in order that they can scale those actions up and outrank less capable competitors.

        HTH
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  • Profile picture of the author WinsonYeung
    1. It's help to get your site indexed faster by search engine spider.
    2. It's help to generate more backlinks back to your website
    3. It's help to generate more traffic from those social bookmarketing site

    It's only take a while minute to bookmark you site too
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    • Profile picture of the author DeePower
      Social bookmarking is just one tool in your arsenal of website promotion. Your site can have the most fantastic original content ever known to man - or woman - but if no one knows about the site it's useless.

      It would be nice if you could spend the time and become a contributing member of every community you belong to, but that may not be possible in these hectic times. I have 28 websites, 20 of them earn money on a regular basis, some more than others. (The other 8 websites are for fun or informational purposes.)

      I use social bookmarking for backlinks and to drive some traffic. It doesn't take a lot of time and just has to be done once.

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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by DeePower View Post

        Social bookmarking is just one tool in your arsenal of website promotion. Your site can have the most fantastic original content ever known to man - or woman - but if no one knows about the site it's useless.

        It would be nice if you could spend the time and become a contributing member of every community you belong to, but that may not be possible in these hectic times. I have 28 websites, 20 of them earn money on a regular basis, some more than others. (The other 8 websites are for fun or informational purposes.)

        I use social bookmarking for backlinks and to drive some traffic. It doesn't take a lot of time and just has to be done once.

        Dee
        Dee,
        That is why you hire a staff ..lol I seriously try to be a contributing member at each site I join.. Some sites do not have these options but the ones that do take advantage of it as it can increase your traffic 10 fold.

        I also have many websites and I work 20 hours a day but I also have a staff that I pay and have been paying for several years...

        James
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        • Profile picture of the author DeePower
          James:

          I respect and appreciate your advice. Being a boss is not for me. I have had a full time staff at one point and it's not something I care to do again.

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          • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
            Originally Posted by DeePower View Post

            James:

            I respect and appreciate your advice. Being a boss is not for me. I have had a full time staff at one point and it's not something I care to do again.

            Dee
            Ha Ha! Understood... For me though my staff is more apart of my family and not the hired help. I do not use terms such as boss and etc.. Course they have been working with me for years so I guess that makes a big difference.

            James
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  • Profile picture of the author Droopy Dawg
    bookmarking demon... great piece of software. Pricey, but well-worth it.
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  • Profile picture of the author elitesystem
    powerful high PR Social sites have given me alot of backlinks.. social bookmark= spread the word
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