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I don't expect an answer, seeking a successful business, one that works for anyone

by justonebusinessthatworks
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I know there are people in this forum who are very successful and are here to sell their new programs, products or services ...

I know there are people here, like myself, hoping by being with other on-line marketers and business entrepreneurs, that they can find a program that finally they could make some money on-line. However, as many of us know, we are overwhelmed with all types of offers so we don't know which one do we believe is a real opportunity that if a person treats it like a business, even though they may not have lots of money to invest but is more than willing to put in the time and effort, could eventually see success and then perhaps to work as an on-line marketer full time. Does such a program exist or is it a
pipe dream because the internet is now dominated by the wealthy?

One of the most successful marketers out there says that only 3% of the people who try an online business will make it - so then, what is the point of this thread?

between now and mid-December I am doing research, to explore different possibilities thoroughly, meaning that I plan to ask a lot of questions and not just accepting simple answers to find just one, just one business which if I give it my heart and soul I can succeed without a doubt. As by mid-December I will have some extra funds to invest too but ...

what good does it do to find something that I can only succeed because I have some extra money, if I can't also help others too? I want to find an opportunity that its not having certain skills that a person succeed but their drive and work ethic, as so many people are struggling now. Are there truly any successful marketers who have thought, "I have been blessed, its time to help others and give back!"

all the videos now have the same themes - I have a solution, the gurus are taking your money and offering nothing of value - and testimonials probably with actors how much people made in that system.

I would think that this #1 marketing forum on the planet has to have buried inside of it some business that if a person willing to give it the proper attention and time it can succeed! Some of the systems I reviewed, did work for the person offering it but it was duplicable.

as my title suggest, my expectation is most people will ignore this message, make fun of it, or other people struggling may agree but then move on as it doesn't offer a solution but perhaps there is:

a) a successful marketer out there, who struggled like many of us and vowed when he/she was successful and found what really works they would help others (that they care)

b) a successful marketer who is making so much money they don't know what to do with it, likes a new challenge and decides he will use his/her resources to help others - also known as tithing as is explained in "Think and Grow Rich" realizing when you give back you receive even more

I promise to this forum, to those who are struggling, if I do find a program that works (as I have an eye to see things from the viewpoint of others), which when I do become involved with it and I can see not only that it works but why it works - I will discuss it here in this forum

for now I am putting out my message - this is how I do it in all aspects of life - if this message is suppose to be answered by a genuine person who wants to help and has a program that is duplicatable - than somehow my crazy post will find its way to him or her ...

thank you Warriors
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  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
    I don't expect an answer, seeking a successful business, one that works for anyone
    You must not think very much of the members if you have already made up your mind that your thread will go unanswered. There are many here that are more than willing to help you gain some knowledge but those of us who are earning some decent money most likely are not going to teach you a full money making course because we are involved in other niches than the MMO niche.

    You can learn the ins & outs by simply asking questions here on the forum but I'd like to emphasis, stay out of the WSO section until you can determine what is real and what is not.
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    • Profile picture of the author justonebusinessthatworks
      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

      You must not think very much of the members if you have already made up your mind that your thread will go unanswered. There are many here that are more than willing to help you gain some knowledge but those of us who are earning some decent money most likely are not going to teach you a full money making course because we are involved in other niches than the MMO niche.

      You can learn the ins & outs by simply asking questions here on the forum but I'd like to emphasis, stay out of the WSO section until you can determine what is real and what is not.
      thank you Joseph for answering - no disrespect was intended - just me trying to find a way to learn the ropes here and meet other warriors as I do a serious research - I appreciate you took the time to answer and hope we can dialogue - justseeking
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by justonebusinessthatworks View Post

    One of the most successful marketers out there says that only 3% of the people who try an online business will make it - so then, what is the point of this thread?
    That marketer is obviously just guessing, as there's no way of knowing the figure. Most may well not make it - but the success rate for offline businesses isn't too clever either. If entrepreneurs took any notice of these stats, nobody would ever start any enterprise.

    The tone of your post, and even your user name, suggests to me that you might be looking at this the wrong way. If you believe online success is down to a particular secret system or program, you'll just end up spending your dollars and your time making someone else rich.

    There is no secret. There are no loopholes that can sustain a business for more than the short term.

    If you want to be successful, the principles are universal. Offer a product or service that others are willing to pay you for. Everything else is just detail.

    Of course, many fall down on those details, either because they think they can shortcut them, or because they don't want to put in the effort. That's why those with self-belief and a passion for what they do have a head start.

    Every business model, online or offline, starts with the above principle, and there are plenty of established online models to choose from. Just about all of them "work" if you approach your task in a determined and professional manner.

    You simply need to find your own place in the market, preferably with a model that suits your skills and aptitude. Only you can decide on that. Spend a little time researching the various business models until one strikes a chord. Learn what you need; see how others are making it work, and then go with it.

    Your first attempt might not be successful. Doesn't matter. Maybe it wasn't a good fit or maybe you just need to get more experience. Try another.

    But understand that your success will depend on you. Not on some mythical "one business that works".

    Good luck!


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    • Profile picture of the author justonebusinessthatworks
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      That marketer is obviously just guessing, as there's no way of knowing the figure. Most may well not make it - but the success rate for offline businesses isn't too clever either. If entrepreneurs took any notice of these stats, nobody would ever start any enterprise.

      The tone of your post, and even your user name, suggests to me that you might be looking at this the wrong way. If you believe online success is down to a particular secret system or program, you'll just end up spending your dollars and your time making someone else rich.

      There is no secret. There are no loopholes that can sustain a business for more than the short term.

      If you want to be successful, the principles are universal. Offer a product or service that others are willing to pay you for. Everything else is just detail.

      Of course, many fall down on those details, either because they think they can shortcut them, or because they don't want to put in the effort. That's why those with self-belief and a passion for what they do have a head start.

      Every business model, online or offline, starts with the above principle, and there are plenty of established online models to choose from. Just about all of them "work" if you approach your task in a determined and professional manner.

      You simply need to find your own place in the market, preferably with a model that suits your skills and aptitude. Only you can decide on that. Spend a little time researching the various business models until one strikes a chord. Learn what you need; see how others are making it work, and then go with it.

      Your first attempt might not be successful. Doesn't matter. Maybe it wasn't a good fit or maybe you just need to get more experience. Try another.

      But understand that your success will depend on you. Not on some mythical "one business that works".

      Good luck!


      Frank
      Frank - thanks for your thoughtful response - but wouldn't you say there are some business one can join with products that are in demand that if you have sufficient funds you could succeed without guessing or starting over?
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by justonebusinessthatworks View Post

        Frank - thanks for your thoughtful response - but wouldn't you say there are some business one can join with products that are in demand that if you have sufficient funds you could succeed without guessing or starting over?
        About the closest you will come would be to buy a franchise or existing, functioning business. And even those won't be sure things. You could buy the best opportunity in the world, but if you mismanage it due to inexperience or lack of knowledge, it won't work for you.

        Don't look for universal answers. Look for your answer, the one that works for you. If the spirit of giving back moves you, odds are that what worked for you will work for people like you who are willing to do what you did.
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        • Profile picture of the author justonebusinessthatworks
          First of all I want to thank everyone who answered here - some of the answer given I did expect - but still, even though it is correct, we have to do our business in our own way, my thinking was, there could be some business, which if a person works hard, does the correct steps, perhaps gets helped by a well intention warrior - applied themselves, might work and be successful --

          now I was contacted by one of the persons who answered who is going to help me setup a business - I read his pdf and I have touched most of what he did, but why was he successful and I wasn't - probably do to some steps -

          I just wanted to find a way to reach out to other warriors, knowing there are many people wanting to have a successful on-line business and see what knowledgable and successful warriors would say - I hope this post will continue to dialogue and I will be reporting back at some point how it worked with the warrior who heard my SOS - we have spoken a lot today via FB and Skype

          there is one thing I would put out there which I have learned is a key for what it is worth, that is "WE are What WE Think" - I did an online class yesterday with a spiritual healer (some of you won't buy this but there are people who do this I have watched and experienced this) who removes blocks that stop prosperity and abundance, I followed her exercise and a few doors opened - so I think part of success is to be positive and expect it which draws possible opportunities and then learn the keys and share with others

          thank you all for answering my off beat post - so you see I was wrong, answers did come, it shows what do I know - not much -- what do I have to learn - alot more
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Originally Posted by justonebusinessthatworks View Post

        Frank - thanks for your thoughtful response - but wouldn't you say there are some business one can join with products that are in demand that if you have sufficient funds you could succeed without guessing or starting over?
        I'm not sure what you mean by a business you can join. If you're talking about buying a successful going concern, that won't guarantee your own success. You'll still need to apply the necessary skills, investment and management to keep it profitable. That goes for franchises as well as stand-alone businesses. It sounds like you're searching for a shortcut to success, when you should instead be focusing on your own skills and mindset.

        Finding a profitable business model isn't a matter of guesswork. A little targeted research will throw up several potential candidates. You can study these and see for yourself that people are indeed making them work. You have to believe that you can do the same - that your success is within your own capability.

        Of course there are risks - that's the nature of the beast. If you want a promise of a guaranteed return, get a job with a contract (not that being employed is that secure at all, these days).

        Perhaps the first matter you should be addressing is to ask yourself whether you're really cut out for running your own business, or whether you just want to make some extra money on the side.


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  • Profile picture of the author KelvinN
    Me too, man. I'm pretty confident in my beliefs for internet marketing; affiliate marketing = success with PPC, blogs, and videos if you have the correct targeting strategies, and enough money for testing results and keeping track of analytics and targeting strategies.
    Selling ebooks & posting to ebook store sites, also PPC, and ClickBank/Affiliate Network advertising accounts. CPA or ShareCash downloads for things people need, advertising through Youtube, forums, and PPC. I think all of these techniques and methods for making money online are all valid and legitimate, you just have to know how to do it correctly. You need high quality site content, straightforward, visually appealing, and a well set-up sales page & advertisement, plus with free content or some site of promotion/reputation method to make your product/service sound more trustworthy. I'm not an experienced internet marketer at all so don't call me out or take anything I say seriously, I'm just rambling on about what I believe, I'm still learning myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    I promise to this forum, to those who are struggling, if I do find a program that works (as I have an eye to see things from the viewpoint of others), which when I do become involved with it and I can see not only that it works but why it works - I will discuss it here in this forum
    That is commendable, however, in pursuant to the rules here, if you are going to find a program that works and that has worked for you, make sure you do it in the correct forum. If you post it in the Main Discussion forum it will get deleted.

    We have a Product Review forum where you can leave reviews on programs that you find.

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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Originally Posted by justonebusinessthatworks View Post


    I promise to this forum, to those who are struggling, if I do find a program that works...
    No matter how long this thread gets or how many suggestions for this or that
    "program" you receive this is the best answer you will get and the only one that
    will really matter... (unless someone else agrees... lol...

    STOP looking for programs.

    There is ONE PATH to success and it will lead you to wealth
    in any market you choose.

    1. Learn the skills required to achieve success in your profession.
    2. Apply those skills on a consistent daily basis.

    PERIOD!!!

    There is no other way. There is no magic program. There is no secret.

    The skills are not specific to a program or market... they are pretty
    much universal. Learn how to make a compelling offer to a hungry
    market then learn how to put that offer in front of that market.

    No need to research until December. You can start learning the skills today.
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    By the way justonebusinessthatworks... businesses don't work. Business owners do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Entrecon
    It isn't about the business, it is about you.

    There are many businesses that are out there that work, but might not work for you for any number of reasons.You might not have the skill set. Even if you learn the skill set, you might not have enough interest or passion to keep driving it forward.

    Stop looking for something to make you money and look at how you can make money. What skills do you have? What are you interested in? Of those two things, what are other people interested in and what information or service can you offer to them that they will willing pay money for. Think Supply and demand, but a little differently. Look for a demand in your area of expertise and supply something to meet that demand.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    A great many newcomers are in your shoes. Such an influx of information, some of it being too good to be true, must be truly overwhelming.

    I have been working online for 20 years and I know a thing or two (or three or four). I'll keep an eye out for you on WF and will do my best to chip in with helpful advice.

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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Villanueva
    If someone offers you any program that will make you millions with little to no effort or money investment, start running for the hills because this doesnt exist. It does get simpler and you get more leverage when you get on top.

    And this is the "deception" or story telling that marketers used to sell you their success story
    Learn, copy and do!

    Find someone successful, copy what works for them and take massive action.

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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
      You've had some pretty good advice here, even though I guess that most of it is not what you wanted to hear.

      By most people's standards I am pretty successful online. I've been active for 12 years and making a very good full time living for the last 6 or 7. What I have learned in all that time is that there is no one way to be successful online. No magic bullet. No magic button. And precious few overnight successes. Most people I know who are successful got there by hard graft. By trying things out to see what works for them and constantly trying new things.

      Most successful people also buy a lot of the products that are so often accused of confusing newbies. The big difference is that whereas newbies are looking for THE answer (and to be fair, most sale letters are designed to make them think that's what they'll get), experienced people are looking for one or two new techniques to try out.

      You'll read a lot of posts by people criticising WSO as being useless, worthless scams. But the truth is that I buy more than most and find very few that are completely awful. Most have something in them that educates or informs me of a new idea to try out in my business.

      That's how experienced, successful people stay ahead of the game.

      Internet marketing is not for everybody. Neither is being a greengrocer or a florist. If sitting in front of a computer for hours on end, with hardly anyone to talk to and a general feeling among your family and friends that you are either a fantasist or a pornographer appeals to you, then welcome. You'll be in good company.

      Forget the 4-hour work week as well. Yes, you might aspire to it eventually - that's about all I 'work' now, but the Internet lifestyle may take you years to find. If you ever do.

      There isn't one system that works for everybody. In fact, if I were to teach you every aspect of my way of making money online, the chances are good that they wouldn't work for you. Internet marketing success is hugely based on your personality, skillsets and boredom thresholds. And in those things, we are all different.

      Yes, you can be taught techniques and strategies, but that's like being shown a YouTube video of someone playing the guitar and then me handing you a Beatles songbook. Unless you put in the sweat to learn, the time to develop your skills and the determination to succeed you'll just be another person coming on the Warrior Forum in a year's time saying what a scam all this online marketing malarkey really is.

      Forget one-size-fits-all solutions and start doing some real research into techniques and strategies that appeal to you and then put some of them into action. At first you'll probably fail, but you'll learn a hell of lot more from your own failures that you ever will from other peoples'!
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  • Profile picture of the author tess47
    Just a quick answer. There are literally thousands of methods you can use to generate substantial income, from affiliate marketing and blogging to offering your professional services, such as graphic or web design, content writing, SEO, or digital marketing. Because more and more offline businesses are building an online presence in order to stay competitive, there is no shortage of things you can do to make money, IF you have the talent and the dedication to your work, customer satisfaction, and succeeding online.

    I began in 2008 hoping to "make it big" in affiliate marketing. While I feel that six years later I have the skill and the know-how, my real income lies in crafting content for other online business owners, mostly lawyers. I write website pages, blog articles, press releases, and more, and currently earn more than twice per year what I earned as an accountant in the "real" world.

    Put the talents God blessed you with to work, and you can achieve anything!
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