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Warrior Special Offers No Longer Need To Be So Special (Lower Price)

by ForumGuru Banned
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Hi folks,

For the members that are not already aware...

It has been brought to my attention that deals posted to the Warrior Special Offers section no longer need to be so special. The lower price special deal for Warriors rule when you post a WSO is no longer being enforced --> so you can post the same price(s) on you WSO sales page as you have on your website and at other sites. I am sure some of you were already aware of this change and have noticed an increase in WSOs that link straight to ordinary web deals available on the vendor's website.

I am not a big fan of the rule change.

What do you think?

Cheers

-don
#longer #offers #special #warrior
  • Profile picture of the author @tjr
    The WSO posted in your signature is offered at $17. At picturewarrior.com, it is also posted at $17.

    So provide another website that you own where you are offering the exact same deal as far as content goes. Prove that picturewarrior.com is a "deal" for Warriors and not part of the "increase in WSOs that link straight to ordinary web deals available on the vendor's website."

    Otherwise, the irony of this statement is so embarrassing that you should probably just stop with the Internet for a while.
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    • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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      Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

      The WSO posted in your signature is offered at $17. At picturewarrior.com, it is also posted at $17.

      So provide another website that you own where you are offering the exact same deal as far as content goes. Prove that picturewarrior.com is a "deal" for Warriors and not part of the "increase in WSOs that link straight to ordinary web deals available on the vendor's website."

      Otherwise, the irony of this statement is so embarrassing that you should probably just stop with the Internet for a while.
      You owe me an apology, and I think you are the one that may need to take a break from the internet for a while! Good grief, get a grip!

      First of all, the buy button at PictureWarrior.com links to my WSO sales thread!

      Secondarily, I just told you that you don't need to offer a special price on your WSO thread. You can now have the same deal posted elsewhere that you post on your WSO thread.

      Deals can link straight to websites...that is what I told you in the first post. The WSO rules are being rewritten and the "WSO needs to be a lower price" rule is no longer being enforced.

      Cheers

      -don
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Add this to the large number of WSOs created to be sold exclusively through the WSO section and its associated affiliate platforms, and there's yet another reason to ignore the WSO section.
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      • Profile picture of the author @tjr
        Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

        You owe me an apology, and I think you are the one that may need to take a break from the internet for a while! Good grief, get a grip!

        First of all, the buy button at PictureWarrior.com links to my WSO sales thread!
        You didn't refute me, you proved my point. A WSO, in spirit, is supposed to be a deal on something that already exists. I see you have chosen not to respond to my challenge, are you offering the same package at a higher price somewhere else? If not, then you're not offering anyone a deal on anything. As John said, it's an offer created with the sole purpose of being sold on the Warrior Forum.

        You don't get to complain about the spirit of the section being changed when you're fully exploiting those very changes.

        I don't think I'll be apologizing.
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        • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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          Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

          You didn't refute me, you proved my point. A WSO, in spirit, is supposed to be a deal on something that already exists. I see you have chosen not to respond to my challenge, are you offering the same package at a higher price somewhere else? If not, then you're not offering anyone a deal on anything. As John said, it's an offer created with the sole purpose of being sold on the Warrior Forum.

          You don't get to complain about the spirit of the section being changed when you're fully exploiting those very changes.

          I don't think I'll be apologizing.
          You don't have a clue...and now you owe me another apology! I am not exploiting the section changes, I am giving the WSO section viewers a stock image and graphics deal that can't be beat by many on earth. On top of that I am following the original WSO rules and the spirit of the rules!

          I have sold royalty free licenses on my images professionally for $25 per photo (and more) for the last 13 years! My WSO offer gives buyers 3730 of my professional stock images for just $17!

          My offer is one of the best offers in the WSO section, bar none. 5000 stock images and graphics (including bonus images) and once you count all of the different sizes included you get a package that has over 20,000 images. Do you realize how long it takes to create 3730 or 5000 professional images and graphics? How about 20,000+ images counting pro resizes?

          On my WSO I am giving all sorts of extra licenses beyond the standard royalty free license that I give everywhere else. I don't sell a massive package like this anywhere else! I license individual images!

          Here are two images of the 3730 images that are included in the package that are being sold elsewhere. Two images --> fifty bucks.



          TWO PHOTOS - 50 BUCKS - STANDARD RF LICENSE

          I have earned as much as $1000 licensing a single photo in the past. I am not new to the stock image business, I have been licensing images professionally for the past 13 years and have been published in books, magazines, newspapers etc. and back in the day you could view some of my images in a major museum.

          Seriously dude, you need to get a clue!

          Cheers

          -don
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      • Profile picture of the author onSubie
        Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

        You owe me an apology, and I think you are the one that may need to take a break from the internet for a while! Good grief, get a grip!
        You know, you were the one who didn't support the "new rules" and started the thread about it.

        It seems ironic that you practice what you preach against....

        In any case, it has been a long time since they enforced the WSO rule to be a "special offer". You are not breaking any "news".
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        • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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          Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

          You know, you were the one who didn't support the "new rules" and started the thread about it.

          It seems ironic that you practice what you preach against.
          What are you talking about? I am not practicing what I preach against! I license royalty free images for $25 each outside of Warrior Forum and here I am offering 3730 images plus bonus images and licenses at just $17 for the entire image bundle.

          Good grief....if you don't think $17 for 3730 images with an extended royalty free license is a better deal than $25 per image with a standard royalty free license then you may need a remedial course in mathematics!

          I don't support the "new rules".

          Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    I've always assumed a lot of products have been "launched" as WSOs only and not even offered anywhere else, at ant price. Even though they are or were supposed to be "Special" offers of products available for sale at higher prices elsewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    I notice that change as well, but I didn't know the "rules" had actually
    changed. I still believe in the spirit of the old rule so my WSO will
    still be a "deal" compared to the outside price, otherwise why
    call it a "Special Offer"? The name should change to the Warrior Marketplace
    or something like that.

    It's so interesting to see how one BTW aspect of the forum has become so
    central. To think that this section use to be free.

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    • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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      Yeah Ray, along with the rules they are rewriting hopefully they will change the name of the section. Better yet, I hope they reconsider and re-institute the rule that states a product or service must be a lower price than you can get elsewhere if posted to the WSO section.

      Cheers

      -don
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  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
    @ForumGuru

    Don, what some are trying to say is that you mentioned that you don't support that rule but yet you are not offering a lower price.

    By abiding to the new rule, you are in fact supporting the change. Don't get me wrong cause I don't care either way since you are in deed providing an awesome value for the $$$, I just wanted to point out what the fuss is about.
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    • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

      @ForumGuru

      Don, what some are trying to say is that you mentioned that you don't support that rule but yet you are not offering a lower price.

      By abiding to the new rule, you are in fact supporting the change. Don't get me wrong cause I don't care either way since you are in deed providing an awesome value for the $$$, I just wanted to point out what the fuss is about.
      Of course I am offering a lower price than I offer anywhere else! I am offering my images on WSO for many thousands of dollars less than you can get the images off of Warrior Forum.

      What part of this are you missing? Did you notice my post above where I explained this (and added a screenshot) of just two of the images included in my WSO package? $50 bucks for t\wo of the exact same images you get in my WSO package. Special Offer? My deal is well beyond a special offer.

      I don't sell large packages of photos normally and that is what makes my WSO so special. I license most of my images individually for $25 each with a normal RF license. Again, if you look you will see it will cost you $50 for a regular RF license on just of the images I have included in my WSO if you purchase the images off of the Warrior Forum.

      If you buy those two images on the Warrior Forum you pay only $17 for a package of 3730 images, tons of which I sell for $25 each on my stock sites.

      The math is not hard! Just 500 of my images @ $25 each is $12,500 and that would be for an ordinary royalty free license. It's not a difficult concept offering a bundle of 3730 images (plus bonus images) for just $17 as opposed to selling them individually off-site.

      So let me break it down for you again... You can pay me $25 per image on my stock photo sites, or you can pay me $17 on Warrior Forum to get 3730 of my images plus another 1000+ bonus images. Paying me $17 on Warrior Forum for 3730 images versus paying me $25 per image on my stock photo sites is an incredible savings to say the least.

      Not only do you save thousands of dollars by purchasing the WSO you also get a killer license that is not offered on any of my stock photo sites. In-fact all of my stock photo sites at this time offer individual images with a standard royalty free license or a very strict rights managed editorial license.

      I AM NOT supporting the new rule! Far from it! My price off of Warrior Forum is $25 an image and even if I chopped my off-site prices to $1 an image you would still be paying $3730 for the main package. Heck, when I started in this business I got upwards of $200 per photo on rights managed material and $35 on royalty free stuff. For many, many years I have priced my stuff at $25 and in-fact you can purchase hundreds of these images from my stock sites at $25 each.

      Cheers

      -don
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

    I am not a big fan of the rule change.

    What do you think?

    Cheers

    -don
    That they should change the name to Warriors Not So Special Offers ....
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Let's face it, there's not much regulation when it comes to the WSO forum...
    As far as the rule Don mentions, it's been like that for a long time (People not offering a special price) and there has been a stark increase in people who join for the sole purpose of posting a WSO...

    As far as the "Spirit", IMO the forum has outgrown it's original intent and the "spirit" is mostly gone...
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    When did this start?
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    • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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      Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

      When did this start?
      It sorta unofficially started when Freelancer took over, I think. It may not have always been enforced firmly prior to that, but I do know the mods would usually take action if alerted to a no special pricing WSO.

      Paul told me just a few days ago...

      Cheers

      -don
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  • Profile picture of the author CTonline09
    WAIT.... WHAT....

    People actually still buy WSO's ???

    Been there and done that, launched several & sold 1,000s and at least 90% of the people I connected with actually made all their money via selling WSO's which is shocking, that is why I decided to say good bye.

    There is some great stuff but the majority is garbage sold using lies.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Thank you for all your feedback about the WSO section.

      The current rules for the WSO section and a lot of the forum is very old and hasn't been updated. It also hasn't been enforced in a consistent manner.

      The Warrior Special Offers section became popular because of the exclusive special deals that could not be found elsewhere. We're in the process of finalizing new WSO rules and are looking to bring this back. The new rules will set clear expectations for buyers and sellers, maintain quality products so that buyers can browse through special offers.

      We'll be publishing them shortly.
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      • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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        Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

        Thank you for all your feedback about the WSO section.

        The current rules for the WSO section and a lot of the forum is very old and hasn't been updated. It also hasn't been enforced in a consistent manner.

        The Warrior Special Offers section became popular because of the exclusive special deals that could not be found elsewhere. We're in the process of finalizing new WSO rules and are looking to bring this back. The new rules will set clear expectations for buyers and sellers, maintain quality products so that buyers can browse through special offers.

        We'll be publishing them shortly.
        Alaister,

        You may want to make Paul and the mod team aware of this.

        After I reported yet another non-special WSO for the umpteenth time and noted the section rules in the report I got a message from Paul...

        Originally Posted by Paul Myers

        Don,

        Just as an FYI, they're no longer enforcing the "special price" rule in the WSO section. They're currently rewriting those rules, which is why that hasn't been updated yet.

        Paul
        So I replied back noting that I thought the new rule is not so hot and that I did see a single not so special offer get moved to classifieds relatively recently...

        Originally Posted by ForumGuru

        Maybe someone can quickly update the sub-heading?

        Bad idea, I think. I already see the WSO forum becoming nothing more than $20 website links. Maybe they could change the name from WSOs to TDLs--> Twenty Dollar Website Links or even 4 X 5er...

        It's so bad I think I am going to take my next offers off-site like the big boys do.

        Thanks for the note...even though I saw someone move a BG offer to classifieds a few days ago.
        A portion of his reply...

        Originally Posted by Paul Myers

        Don,

        I don't like the idea either, but it's their site

        <snip>

        I know at least one offer was moved to classifieds for being a PLR deal recently, and a couple were affiliate promos. Not sure if a mod didn't catch the note about the pricing rule, though.

        Paul
        I have recently reported lots of WSOs that do not offer special pricing...and they are not being moved to classifieds and at least Paul took the time to tell me why.

        So are you saying Paul is wrong on this? Or are you going to continue to allow non-special pricing and direct links to websites as special offers?

        Obviously the mods are not really enforcing the rule and as you can see Paul seems to be under the impression that the rule is being done away with.

        Please advise.

        Cheers

        -don
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    We'll be publishing them shortly.
    Hey Alaister,

    Any plans to remove sigs. from the entire WSO forum?

    Thanks.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    For those that are saying that the OP is himself violating the spirit of the WSO forum while complaining about others, I think you missed a very important point.

    His site, picturewarrior.com has a price of $17. If you click on the Buy Now button you are not taken to a 3rd party processor or other payment system but directly to his WSO on this forum.

    So, in fact, he is NOT violating the "spirit" while complaining about it at the same time. The price is the same because there is no other offer on that site. You can't buy anything (from what I see) other than by coming back to the WSO forum to buy.

    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    @ Alaister,

    I am hoping you can reply my previous post above and would it be possible for you to give us an update on a couple of other things? Back on Sept 4th you told us this...

    Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

    Hi Don,

    The search functionality became really messy after we moved all the databases to Amazon. We're going to completely rewrite the database storing all the posts and threads and then rebuild the search functionality on top of this.

    This will take some time however I will keep everyone in the loop as to the progress and when we expect to have it all fixed.
    I noticed a few days ago that you mentioned something about this on another thread where people were complaining about the broken search function --> and you seemed to indicate that a DB rewrite and/or a search engine rebuild did not seem to be in the cards at the moment.

    Can you give us a progress report on fixing the "Find Posts by User" function?

    My next question is on free WSOs. You noted you are going to be cleaning the section up after I mentioned that I thought free WSOs, non-special offers and paid website links were messing up that forum. Have you decided where you are going to allow the free WSOs to be posted in the future?

    Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

    Thanks for your feedback Don.

    Yes, we'll be completely rewriting the WSO rules and cleaning the actual section up. We're working on increasing curation and the approval process of the listings so the lower cost and requirements to post a WSO won't impact quality like it has.

    As part of the rewrite of the rules we'll be stopping free offers in the WSO section. These will be moved to the classifieds section or a new free offer section in itself.
    Please advise when you have the time.

    Thanks,

    -don
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  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
    Don,

    I've got to apologize, after reading your reply I visited picturewarrior.com and clicked on the link and it does in fact links to your WSO.



    Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

    The WSO posted in your signature is offered at $17. At picturewarrior.com, it is also posted at $17.

    So provide another website that you own where you are offering the exact same deal as far as content goes. Prove that picturewarrior.com is a "deal" for Warriors and not part of the "increase in WSOs that link straight to ordinary web deals available on the vendor's website."

    Otherwise, the irony of this statement is so embarrassing that you should probably just stop with the Internet for a while.

    I took @tjr reply as face value without actually visiting the site which is a lesson learned, research for myself before forming an opinion and for that I'll man up and say I'm sorry.

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    • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

      Don,

      I've got to apologize, after reading your reply I visited picturewarrior.com and clicked on the link and it does in fact links to your WSO.

      I took @tjr reply as face value without actually visiting the site which is a lesson learned, research for myself before forming an opinion and for that I'll man up and say I'm sorry.

      ~Joseph
      No trouble, apology accepted.

      Cheers

      -don
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  • Profile picture of the author Rocketguy
    You can find some really good deals in the WSO section. Of course there is going to be some junk and stuff you need to ignore, but if you know what to look for you can find some real gems.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      It's been confusing for a while. We are finalizing the rules and hoping to get them out sometime next week. From them onwards we'll have a plan to properly enforce it and make it clear to everyone as to what is expected.

      In regards to Paul's response, this is due to my lack of communication with our plans and direction. We have spent some time considering the direction of the forum and the WSO section so in this interim limbo time people have been unsure about how to behave and deal with situations.

      I aplogize for the confusion during this time. We'll be making it very clear to everyone shortly.

      Can you give us a progress report on fixing the "Find Posts by User" function?
      Our system engineer is looking at this right now. It seems as though this is an issue for certain users. When you press "Find Posts by User" you see all the posts for some users and none for others. Is this your experience also?

      My next question is on free WSOs. You noted you are going to be cleaning the section up after I mentioned that I thought free WSOs, non-special offers and paid website links were messing up that forum. Have you decided where you are going to allow the free WSOs to be posted in the future?
      With this we're looking to create a new section for free WSOs. Non-special offers or direct links to people's websites where they are selling their products will belong in the classifieds section.

      It'll be all very clear with the new rules.

      Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    Hi Alaister,

    The plans for the WSO section sound terrific. As far as the "Finds Post By User" function goes I rarely see all the posts for any user that I check. What happens most frequently is that you may not see any results at all, you may have to click a few times to get the search to return incomplete results, or when search results are returned often times they are missing the most recent week or two of posts (in that case a post search of new users this shows no posts at all), and for quite sometime the search has not been going back very far at all....it has been only going back months instead of years.

    Today I notice you have restored the search function to a state that is better than it has been for some time but the problem I am seeing now (with my own results) is hundreds and hundreds of posts are missing as the search return has large gaps in it --> several 2.5 month gaps and many other large gaps of time where the posts are missing.

    Thanks for taking the time to reply and giving us an idea of the future direction of the WSO section. If all goes as planned I am looking forward to the WSO section as you describe it.

    Regards

    -don
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  • Profile picture of the author jsniemeyer
    I wonder what the value of a free WSO will be if they are segregated into their own section? Would the posting fee be the same as a regular WSO? Or is it way to soon to even be asking this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    If a WSO has to be totally unique, then forget about having the product/service listed in a third-party marketplace such as Clickbank, Warrior+ or JVZoo.

    Good luck with that...
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    @ Kurt

    I don't think anyone in a position of authority has said a WSO has to be totally unique. Alaister stated "exclusive special deals that could not be found elsewhere" so I take that to mean a deal posted to the WSO section must be a lower price (or offer more value) than you can purchase elsewhere. A decent discounted price or an nice increase in the amount product or service(s) delivered should meet the requirement.

    Cheers

    -don
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

      @ Kurt

      I don't think anyone has said a WSO has to be totally unique. Alaister stated "exclusive special deals that could not be found elsewhere" so I take that to mean a deal posted to the WSO section must be or a lower price (or offer more value) than you can purchase elsewhere. A decent discounted price or an nice increase in the amount product or service(s) delivered should meet the requirement.

      Cheers

      -don
      That's what I meant, but didn't say it too well. How about I said "unique price" or "unique offer"?

      But my main point still stands, a WSO can't be listed in a third party marketplace. I have a feeling many folks will simply choose not to post a WSO so they can list it in a third party marketplace with the hopes of attracting affiliates.
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      • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        That's what I meant, but didn't say it too well. How about I said "unique price" or "unique offer"?

        But my main point still stands, a WSO can't be listed in a third party marketplace. I have a feeling many folks will simply choose not to post a WSO so they can list it in a third party marketplace with the hopes of attracting affiliates.
        Tons of people (including myself) attract affiliates by listing a specially priced WSO offer at a 3rd party marketplace like JVZoo.

        I am not quite sure what you are getting at... Do you want to offer the exact same product or service on a WSO thread and at other shops, websites and marketplaces at the same price and not have those identical deals connected to the WSO thread?

        Cheers

        -don
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

      @ Kurt

      I don't think anyone in a position of authority has said a WSO has to be totally unique. Alaister stated "exclusive special deals that could not be found elsewhere" so I take that to mean a deal posted to the WSO section must be a lower price (or offer more value) than you can purchase elsewhere. A decent discounted price or an nice increase in the amount product or service(s) delivered should meet the requirement.

      Cheers

      -don
      Prior to ownership change, a WSO had to be unique ... as in a product made by the seller or exclusively for the seller by an outsourcer. Doesn't mean that it can only be offered on the Warrior Forum, but that it is not PLR, MRR, or plagiarized content originating elsewhere.
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      • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Prior to ownership change, a WSO had to be unique ... as in a product made by the seller or exclusively for the seller by an outsourcer. Doesn't mean that it can only be offered on the Warrior Forum, but that it is not PLR, MRR, or plagiarized content originating elsewhere.
        I have known what the rules were since before I joined. The fact of the matter is this --> while you can offer the same product elsewhere, the WSO price was/is supposed to be lower than you publicly offer somewhere else. So if you are offering the exact same product elsewhere the uniqueness of your WSO is the discounted price.

        "Totally Unique" is the phrase Kurt used and I parsed that phrase by differentiating the price "uniqueness" from the product "uniqueness". Quoting the WSO section rules that were posted long before Freelancer took over and myself below....

        2. All WSO's Must Be Something You Created. A Product Of Your Own. (A package of ebooks someone threw together is not considered a product and will be deleted) This is completely self explanatory and not up for debate. If you yourself did not create the product do not post it here.

        3. A Warrior Special Offer Means The Price You Give Must Be Better Than The Price The Public At Large Can Get. (This is not a "buy my product" forum, it is a "Special Offer" forum)
        Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post


        I don't think anyone in a position of authority has said a WSO has to be totally unique. Alaister stated "exclusive special deals that could not be found elsewhere" so I take that to mean a deal posted to the WSO section must be a lower price (or offer more value) than you can purchase elsewhere. A decent discounted price or an nice increase in the amount product or service(s) delivered should meet the requirement.
        So exactly what I said holds true and was allowed (within the WSO rules) prior to Freelancer taking over. If I create a package of my images that I sell outside the forum for $69 and I decide to offer that exact same package as a WSO I can do so if I list the package at say $27.

        On the other hand I could list a package of royalty free images outside the forum for $27 and I could list that same package of images as a WSO at the same price but I could offer those images with a much better license (PLR, RR etc.) and add some bonuses to the product (say more images, audio files, etc.).

        Obviously that is what I meant when I used the word "totally" and that's why I added the price and value stuff after that first sentence to make it quite clear. Clearly the first package I just described is the exact same product with a lower price so the price is unique but the package of photos is not.

        I have reported many WSOs that were straight PLR and MRR that were not created by the member or the members outsourcer (that were move to classifieds), and plenty of WSOs that that the seller did not have the rights to sell (the offers were removed), along with lots of deals that were not offering anything "special" or "exclusive" (that were moved to classifieds). I know what the rules are (were) but it's obvious many others here do not (or they do not care).

        Cheers

        -don
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  • Profile picture of the author Stevie C
    I've just given myself a headache reading this thread LOL.

    Hopefully The Warrior Forum can get there ducks in a row and we have clear guidelines on what we can or can't do.
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  • Profile picture of the author WinsonYeung
    Oh, I remember the times WSO is really a SPECIAL OFFER. And also the signature BUY ME A MUG function
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Differing point of view.

    The whole issue is much ado about nothing. There hasn't been anything special about most offers in the WSO section for years (so before ownership changes). Its just an illusion (and in some cases a con). Sellers either raised/placed higher prices than they were willing to accept on their website (knowing they were going to market through third party channels with discounts) or the same discount was made available by entering a coupon code on their site.

    Lets face it people this is mostly a sales gimmick. The only thing special in the WSO section nowadays is when you find something that works. So I saw no foul in relaxing that rule on price. Its rarely what makes an offer "special".
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    @ Mike

    I hear you but not everyone sets extra high prices on their websites knowing they will sell through other channels at a much lower price. In my case I have been selling at REAL (and sometimes below) market prices on my websites (at one time I had a couple hundred of them) for the past 12 years so I was completely reliant on my own website generated revenue. I would give a customer a reasonable volume discount on occasion, but that was it. Putting together a giant package and selling it for almost nothing on WF was a tough step for me, and something my wife thinks I am crazy for doing.

    Sure a ton of people set a stupidly high prices just to make it look like they are giving you deals, but when you have a real business and products that cater to more markets than just the MMO niche most of us don't put exaggerated (basically fake) prices on our products.

    I realize my case is a bit different since I have a stockpile of almost a million photos that I ordinarily license individually. While many marketers rely on gimmicks I prefer to focus on quality, value, and uniqueness. But yeah, I get your drift, really I do.

    Cheers

    -don
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

      @ Mike

      I hear you but not everyone sets extra high prices on their websites knowing they will sell through other channels at a much lower price. In my case I have been selling at REAL (and sometimes below) market prices on my websites (at one time I had a couple hundred of them) for the past 12 years so I was completely reliant on my own website generated revenue
      Yo...I hear you too and believe you but a market isn't determined by a few sellers. Its not even strange really. "Brick and mortar" mark down off manufacturer retail price when practically no one sells at that list price.
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      • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Yo...I hear you too and believe you but a market isn't determined by a few sellers. Its not even strange really. "Brick and mortar" mark down off manufacturer retail price when practically no one sells at that list price.
        Right, and almost everyone in the western world knows the manufacturer's suggest retail price is not what most products are sold at. Since everyone already knows almost all goods are not sold at the MSRP and instead are sold at lower "store" prices --> IMO a Warrior Special Offer should be a discount from a REAL selling price and not from some bogus MSRP.

        I do not believe an offer is automatically special if the discount is from a bogus MSRP. My vision for the WSO forum is to see less illusions and cons offered and more real special offers.

        It's been said by many that the WSO section has been declining for years and if it's filled with illusions and cons and discounts from bogus MSRPs then I suspect the decline may continue. A Warrior Special Offer should be "like" a real SALE and not a discount from basically a fake selling price like an MSRP.

        A real special offer at a brick and motar goes like this --> You check an item at 3 stores and it's basically the same price, and then you check a 4th store and they are offering 30% (or whatever) off on that item.

        Same thing goes for online deals at the large sellers like Amazon, Best Buy, B&H etc. You check one website for their real selling price, you check the next website, and then you see someone like Amazon offering the same item for 30% (or whatever) less on sale and you buy the item. Or, if you prefer, you use any one of a number of price check search engines to find the real "special offer" on that item.

        I know, some people MUST create an illusion or use a con to sell their products, services, and/or BS and obviously we have an abundance of those people selling here. Yeah, I fully realize this is not something that is easily (or perfectly) "policed".

        Cheers

        -don
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    They should simply change the name to The Warrior Marketplace

    And... Don... I totally get what you're saying... and I can do basic
    math... and your deal is incredibly better than anything I've seen
    of this nature... and it is much appreciated.
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