Question: Is I.M Hype Overrated? (Pardon the Pun)

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Hype is another one of those overused words that's losing it's original meaning. If it's highly publicized it's called hype, if it's a subject a person disagrees with it's even called hype. I've heard the word used in many situations to down play an issue, subject, or movement.

To me hype is exaggerated or misleading claims backed by little or no proof.

One of the biggest concerns for internet marketers (especially newbies) is the hype that's intrenched in internet marketing (or MMO). Because of so much hype, many hesitate to commit or even take action.

One of the hottest new catch-phrases in ads is the word No Hype or Hype Free. But I'm afraid that may soon signal the opposite to many readers if over used.

In fact, one of the routine W.F forum questions is how do you separate the hype from the legit. If you've been here for any length of time you know the general answers given.

But is hype over rated?
Should it stop, retard or even cause you to quit or seek other (greener) pastures?

Especially, if you like everything else about Internet Marketing or Money Making Opportunities.

Nevertheless, the hype chases many away. But in your opinion is the hype over rated? How do you handle the hype? Do you ignore it? Or just accept it as price of admission?
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    I think the hype just comes along with the territory.

    The fact remains that there are a number of people who through hard work and experience are making tremendous amounts of income with IM. There is no denying that

    I think marketers and promoters of IM will always focus on that.. Its just the nature of some people.

    Personally, I like to stress the part about working hard and smart before any riches can be realized

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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    “Hype” has become a word that many online marketers
    are shying away from.Yet each person has his or her own
    definition of what constitutes hype.

    I just typed in the word “hype” at Answers.com and here
    are two definitions the dictionary returned:

    1. Exaggerated or extravagant claims made especially in advertising
    or promotional material: “It is pure hype, a gigantic PR job”

    2. Something deliberately misleading; a deception: [He] says that
    there isn’t any energy crisis at all, that it’s all a hype, to maintain
    outrageous profits for the oil companies”



    Even from those two definitions we see that one indicates exaggeration
    which makes up the figure of speech called a hyperbole and the other
    suggests deliberate deception.
    I think that most marketers will want to shy away from deceiving their
    prospects. From that perspective ‘hype’ will not just be wrong but unethical.

    But "hype" can be seen by the prospect as what he deems untrue. So maybe you can
    make $25,000 per month from those Amazon affiliate site, but if that is outside the
    realm of the possible for the reader then it is interpreted as hype.

    As I always say, nobody uses more "hype" than lovers. "I can't live without you."
    "You're the breath I take", "I will love you forever" etc.

    But nobody is complaining. In fact, we are all singing along.

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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post



      As I always say, nobody uses more "hype" than lovers. "I can't live without you."
      "You're the breath I take", "I will love you forever" etc.

      But nobody is complaining. In fact, we are all singing along.

      -Ray Edwards
      That's an accurate point. I don't condone hype. But because it exist in certain markets or industries won't make me leave or avoid them ... if I have something to contribute.

      Besides "hype and exciting market' seems to go together for some reason. Marketing , real estate, show business, politics, sales, advertising, sports and more! They all involve some level of hype.

      I wish it didn't but that seems to be a fact of life, like the birds and the bees.

      However, I'd like to find a hype-free market to work in that's exciting, stimulating and growth oriented. But those markets don't exactly grow on trees.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Trujillo
    Internet Marketing and Making Money Online has been presented by many marketers as : "Get Rich Quick" and other marketing schemes to lure people into buying there products. I believe internet marketing should be educational and informative to helpful to the person who is looking for that information.

    The internet is full of HYPE and B.S... That's just the way it is!

    You must use your best judgement online to who you believe you can trust. Just like google doesn't like spammers, many email spammers are out there selling B.S and not being helpful at all. Because of that Google doesn't tolerate spammers as far as SEO is concerned. As far as email marketing concerned people are getting more SAVY to who is trustable and who isn't. It's about leading with value and doing your best to help your customers.

    How you market yourself plays a big roll in your success wherever you are in life. I've fallen to a lot of false promises in the past, I know it's easy to get sold on a sales page that is promising you the world. I've been sucked into MLM's and companies that just don't deliver what they promised you, I know I get it.

    A few keys to success : If you want people to take you seriously you must lead with value and position yourself as an expert, if you are constantly hammering your list with promo after promo that does not help them out out of your most sincere interests they will never trust you and in turn never buy from you. How you build your reputation is what matters most. You might make a few bucks beating up your list to a few gullible people but ultimately you won't have a long term business. Unfortunately with IM a lot of people don't want a long term business, instead a quick buck.

    Not all marketers are created the same, and some actually do help. If I feel like I am not getting any value and I am constantly promoted various different offers each day, I am quickly going to unsubscribe. Use your best judgement.

    Matt
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    • Profile picture of the author gluckspilz
      Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo View Post

      Internet Marketing and Making Money Online has been presented by many marketers as : "Get Rich Quick" and other marketing schemes to lure people into buying there products. I believe internet marketing should be educational and informative to helpful to the person who is looking for that information.

      The internet is full of HYPE and B.S... That's just the way it is!

      You must use your best judgement online to who you believe you can trust. Just like google doesn't like spammers, many email spammers are out there selling B.S and not being helpful at all. Because of that Google doesn't tolerate spammers as far as SEO is concerned. As far as email marketing concerned people are getting more SAVY to who is trustable and who isn't. It's about leading with value and doing your best to help your customers.

      How you market yourself plays a big roll in your success wherever you are in life. I've fallen to a lot of false promises in the past, I know it's easy to get sold on a sales page that is promising you the world. I've been sucked into MLM's and companies that just don't deliver what they promised you, I know I get it.

      A few keys to success : If you want people to take you seriously you must lead with value and position yourself as an expert, if you are constantly hammering your list with promo after promo that does not help them out out of your most sincere interests they will never trust you and in turn never buy from you. How you build your reputation is what matters most. You might make a few bucks beating up your list to a few gullible people but ultimately you won't have a long term business. Unfortunately with IM a lot of people don't want a long term business, instead a quick buck.

      Not all marketers are created the same, and some actually do help. If I feel like I am not getting any value and I am constantly promoted various different offers each day, I am quickly going to unsubscribe. Use your best judgement.

      Matt
      What you say and what you do are two complete different things ( Your sig )...

      I don't know why people complain about Hype, get over it!

      There's Hype in any niche or sales industry... Don't BUY into it, simple!

      If anyone is to buy into the hype of MMO. You should also buy in those weight loss pills, enlargement pills, six pack pills or anything like that...

      Internet marketing is about selling so stop buying and start selling...
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      • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
        Pitching "no hype" is not a gimmick in my case. I've done a comprehensive analysis of what hype is, when it helps and when it hurts, so that marketers and copywriters can decide for themselves what stance to take when it comes to outsized exaggeration, fear-based selling, the hard sell and flat-out lying.

        Ditto for my telesummit presenters last year and this year, including Peter Bowerman, Nick Usborne, Ray Edwards, Karon Thackston and Steve Slaunwhite.

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        • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
          Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

          Pitching "no hype" is not a gimmick in my case. I've done a comprehensive analysis of what hype is, when it helps and when it hurts,
          Marcia, could you give a thumbnail example, of how no-hype can help or hurt, according to your analysis. I've never heard it put that way before.
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          • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
            Marcia, could you give a thumbnail example, of how no-hype can help or hurt, according to your analysis. I've never heard it put that way before.
            Sure. If you are marketing to extroverted, scattered or frightened people who want to jump on board trends rather than be left behind, then you can make a killing with vague, exaggerated headlines like “The One Webinar You Can’t Afford to Miss This Year” or “9,000 Coaches Can’t Be Wrong.”

            These are hype because if you take them literally, they are either ridiculous or hot air. Is there really some universally applicable reason why you can't afford to miss the webinar? And of course 9,000 coaches can be wrong. 90,000 coaches can be wrong, too.

            However, if you are marketing to introverted people who don't care what others think or academics who value intelligence, these headlines miss the boat. The second group respond to substance and grounded promises, such as "Learn the Techniques That Boosted ROI 549% for One Client" or "Become the Coach Who Gets Irrefutable Results" (if that's then backed up in the copy).

            Hope that helps. There's a lot more on this topic at my website.

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      • Profile picture of the author Matthew Trujillo
        Originally Posted by gluckspilz View Post

        What you say and what you do are two complete different things ( Your sig )...

        I don't know why people complain about Hype, get over it!

        There's Hype in any niche or sales industry... Don't BUY into it, simple!

        If anyone is to buy into the hype of MMO. You should also buy in those weight loss pills, enlargement pills, six pack pills or anything like that...

        Internet marketing is about selling so stop buying and start selling...
        That's what you don't understand, there is a difference between delivering just as you say, and not delivering at all. It's only hype if you cannot follow through with your word. In other words, I don't add frosting to a cake and deliver a cake with nothing in the inside. Internet marketing is NOT about just selling, it's about delivering VALUE. If you can deliver VALUE than you will do just fine. Pitching without value being added is meaningless and is a reason why IM is full of hype, because a lot of people are only focused on sales, yeah they know how to pitch a good sales letter, but don't follow through on the content. Me , I don't do that, you get EXACTLY what I have to offer with NO B.S.
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        • Profile picture of the author gluckspilz
          Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo View Post

          That's what you don't understand, there is a difference between delivering just as you say, and not delivering at all. It's only hype if you cannot follow through with your word. In other words, I don't add frosting to a cake and deliver a cake with nothing in the inside. Internet marketing is NOT about just selling, it's about delivering VALUE. If you can deliver VALUE than you will do just fine. Pitching without value being added is meaningless and is a reason why IM is full of hype, because a lot of people are only focused on sales, yeah they know how to pitch a good sales letter, but don't follow through on the content. Me , I don't do that, you get EXACTLY what I have to offer with NO B.S.
          And this is why this whole topic of HYPE is useless.

          You claim that your what you offer from your sig is NOT hype yet for MOST it is as hype as it gets...
          "
          DISCOVER How YOU Can Earn a CONSISTENT
          Income Online MONTH After MONTH
          In ANY Niche At ANY Time Like CLOCKWORK!"

          Most newbie will look at that and say scam!

          Regardless of the information you're sharing...

          I'm attacking your previous post where you are so strong against hype yet your sig is hype in itself... for some.
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          • Profile picture of the author Matthew Trujillo
            Originally Posted by gluckspilz View Post

            And this is why this whole topic of HYPE is useless.

            You claim that your what you offer from your sig is NOT hype yet for MOST it is as hype as it gets...
            "
            DISCOVER How YOU Can Earn a CONSISTENT
            Income Online MONTH After MONTH
            In ANY Niche At ANY Time Like CLOCKWORK!"

            Most newbie will look at that and say scam!

            Regardless of the information you're sharing...

            I'm attacking your previous post where you are so strong against hype yet your sig is hype in itself... for some.
            I've bought a lot of hype and b.s in the past, I know I get it. But get this, I've studied IM day in and day out and I know what works and what doesn't work, you might have different strategies than me, but that doesn't make you right and me wrong. if I didn't believe in myself and my offer and that it didn't deliver value I wouldn't be wasting my time here. I however will not be responsible for a persons lack of success due to them never taking action.

            Also, just to add, hype and B.S to me is when someone does what you call "income claims"
            Now, last time I checked your sig says "$10,000 Per Month On ClickBank is VERY POSSIBLE!"

            My point is, if you can't back it up with the content to explain it in a report or video that's when it hype and b.s.

            Matt
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            • Profile picture of the author gluckspilz
              Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo View Post

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              Also, just to add, hype and B.S to me is when someone does what you call "income claims"
              Now, last time I checked your sig says "$10,000 Per Month On ClickBank is VERY POSSIBLE!"

              My point is, if you can't back it up with the content to explain it in a report or video that's when it hype and b.s.

              Matt
              And this is what I'm talking about...

              HYPE and B.S nothing more than a personal judgement...

              $10,000 per month on Clickbank is indeed very possible and I'm sure lots of marketers are earning that much as we speak... In fact, the income was backed up with my case study.

              Just like how you said you can back up your claims where you show us how to earn passive income every single month like "clockwork". It's not the point..

              Hype is determined BEFORE anything is bought.

              This is what you said in your previous post:

              "The internet is full of HYPE and B.S... That's just the way it is!"

              Then you say: My point is, if you can't back it up with the content to explain it in a report or video that's when it hype and b.s...

              I just find it funny.. that's all.

              I personally don't care about hype and stuff like that. If anyone was to buy into hype, they already know what's coming.. Don't blame the Hype.. blame the buyer.

              Oh, also, don't mistaken proof for hype...

              People hate hype yet they want proof... it's not going to work out.
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              • Profile picture of the author Matthew Trujillo
                Originally Posted by gluckspilz View Post

                And this is what I'm talking about...

                HYPE and B.S nothing more than a personal judgement...

                $10,000 per month on Clickbank is indeed very possible and I'm sure lots of marketers are earning that much as we speak... In fact, the income was backed up with my case study.

                Just like how you said you can back up your claims where you show us how to earn passive income every single month like "clockwork". It's not the point..

                Hype is determined BEFORE anything is bought.

                This is what you said in your previous post:

                "The internet is full of HYPE and B.S... That's just the way it is!"

                Then you say: My point is, if you can't back it up with the content to explain it in a report or video that's when it hype and b.s...

                I just find it funny.. that's all.

                I personally don't care about hype and stuff like that. If anyone was to buy into hype, they already know what's coming.. Don't blame the Hype.. blame the buyer.

                Oh, also, don't mistaken proof for hype...

                People hate hype yet they want proof... it's not going to work out.
                Let's keep it simple. Hype is making an income claim, Hype is selling you on the next shiny object. Hype is not following through on your promises. I'm not making an income claim or selling you on any shiny object. Are you personally making 10k a month with clickbank? See when you point out figures of income projections you better off be doing it yourself if not you are talking B.S. Me, I'm not making income claims never do I mention a figure or an amount. Never do I guarantee anybody that they'll make anything. All I am providing is valuable actionable information to help people who are serious about building an online business in a "free nothing to lose and everything to gain" report. It is up to the consumer to take action create his/her own success. Many people are just full of excuses on why they aren't successful and like to assume everything is a scam and hype which is untrue.
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                • Profile picture of the author gluckspilz
                  Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo View Post

                  Let's keep it simple. Hype is making an income claim, Hype is selling you on the next shiny object. Hype is not following through on your promises. I'm not making an income claim or selling you on any shiny object. Are you personally making 10k a month with clickbank? See when you point out figures of income projections you better off be doing it yourself if not you are talking B.S. Me, I'm not making income claims never do I mention a figure or an amount. Never do I guarantee anybody that they'll make anything. All I am providing is valuable actionable information to help people who are serious about building an online business in a "free nothing to lose and everything to gain" report. It is up to the consumer to take action create his/her own success. Many people are just full of excuses on why they aren't successful and like to assume everything is a scam and hype which is untrue.
                  Ahh.. makes a lot of sense now.

                  So if I download your free report, I will learn how to make a passive income month after month in any niche like "selling water" and I'll be getting commission on autopilot like clockwork.. I'm in man!

                  The discussion between us is getting silly, so I'll stop after this one last post Promise!

                  I got an HONEST question for you.. Do you REALLY think anyone who downloads your free report from your signature can actually build a profitable niche site where they can earn a passive income month in and month out like clockwork.. Don't snap back saying it's content and value.. We're talking about delivering what we promise right?

                  I had a look at the PDF actually and I won't say much besides the fact that it is NOT actionable...

                  Speaking of making claims.. I like the banner you have on your download page. $300 a day by giving away free stuff? That's definitely NOT hype at all.

                  As for my claim, I show PROOF, LIVE!

                  As you for you.. You give me information... Which is fine, don't get me wrong! I'm just saying that you SHOULDN'T be too caught up with Hype and B.S.

                  This whole discussion started because you were so AGAINST it while I see you do otherwise.

                  Either way, you sound like a nice guy and I'm sure you know what you're doing. Just understand that if you are REALLY AGAINST hype, then you SHOULD change your sig and remove your banner because that DOES fall into Hype!

                  Take care
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                  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                    Some folks have been slinging the hype so long they actually believe it.

                    Take the "free, no-strings, everything to gain and nothing to lose" offer. Whenever I see something like that, I start looking for strings and what I have to lose.

                    Why?

                    Not because the person making the offer is some kind of scammer, although in a normal distribution some portion of them will be. Because the person making the offer is in business to make money. If there wasn't a hook or a string somewhere, there'd be no point in making the offer.

                    Once I've figured out the strings and compared the potential gain and loss using my own filters, it's up to me as a consumer to decide if the trade is worthwhile or even if I believe I have the information to make such a decision.

                    Look at one of my favorite examples of what I consider hype - the free gift. Restaurants love to do this. Big headline, "Get a free meal." Fine print, "One free entree from section B of the menu, with purchase of another entree and two drinks, dine-in only, between 3:00 and 3:15 on odd Tuesdays."

                    By the way? I just used hype to make my point...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Trujillo
                    Originally Posted by gluckspilz View Post


                    I got an HONEST question for you.. Do you REALLY think anyone who downloads your free report from your signature can actually build a profitable niche site where they can earn a passive income month in and month out like clockwork.. Don't snap back saying it's content and value.. We're talking about delivering what we promise right?
                    Yes, if they are actionable and don't make excuses, it is a proven step by step guide I have been using in many different niches for the past few years. If you follow my steps it's exactly how to build a profitable business online. It's not hype and b.s. it's not giving people income claims or promising anybody anything, it's a step by step dummy proof guide that I genuinely believe helps people. it's only hype and b.s if you aren't an action taker, and choose to make excuses. Of course lazy unsuccessful people always find an excuse as to why they aren't successful and like to blame everybody but themselves all because they never took action they feel it's reasonable to say it didn't work. Here's the truth though: It only works if you work, simple as that. No push button overnight millionaire here.
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                    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
                      It's an individual or business decision in most cases.
                      But personally, I think it takes a lot of guts or b*lls to make almost any income claim in ads these days.
                      • #1 it's getting to be like a glowing target for FTC investigators who see them!
                      • They're some of easiest to trigger complaints to government agencies!
                      • They will instantly label you scam if the person (lazy or not) doesn't achieve the income.
                      • Plus, it's almost impossible to tell what an individual will do with the information or if they'll even follow it. They may add to it, ignore vital steps or try it (half-ass) once - and quit, then label you a scam because they didn't make the money promised.
                      But if you can do it, make money and not trigger complaints, who am I to judge.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
                        Wouldn't a business committed to "no B.S., no hype, no fluff" really stand out in an ocean full of competitors that were slinging hype and B.S.? Read Seth Godin's little book, Purple Cow, and put the principle into action in your own marketing.

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                        • Profile picture of the author gluckspilz
                          Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

                          Wouldn't a business committed to "no B.S., no hype, no fluff" really stand out in an ocean full of competitors that were slinging hype and B.S.? Read Seth Godin's little book, Purple Cow, and put the principle into action in your own marketing.

                          Steve
                          Lots of WSO has taken this approach where they have no fancy designs and hpyed up copy. Yet, the number of products sold are usually very little...

                          THe truth is, Hype sells, period.

                          As with anything in life, not just the make money online industry.

                          Apple makes a big deal when launching new products all the time.. I see hardly any difference at all.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Steve B
                            Originally Posted by gluckspilz View Post

                            THe truth is, Hype sells, period.
                            I don't see anyone arguing that point. Of course it sells! If it didn't, there wouldn't be any sense in hyping - would there?


                            Originally Posted by gluckspilz View Post

                            Apple makes a big deal when launching new products all the time.. I see hardly any difference at all.
                            There is a huge difference in a great company like Apple "making a big deal when launching new products" and run of the mill hype and B.S. If you can't tell the difference I suggest you study high powered global promotion by a huge company that has nearly unlimited resources.

                            According to Webster, "hype" means to trick or deceive, to stimulate advertising by questionable or unethical means. Don't confuse that definition with large campaigns that are spread over multiple advertising channels. I don't see anything deceptive or false in Apple's big launches.

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                            • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
                              Originally Posted by gluckspilz View Post

                              Apple makes a big deal when launching new products all the time.. I see hardly any difference at all.
                              Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

                              There is a huge difference in a great company like Apple "making a big deal when launching new products" and run of the mill hype and B.S. If you can't tell the difference I suggest you study high powered global promotion by a huge company that has nearly unlimited resources.

                              According to Webster, "hype" means to trick or deceive, to stimulate advertising by questionable or unethical means. Don't confuse that definition with large campaigns that are spread over multiple advertising channels. I don't see anything deceptive or false in Apple's big launches.
                              Steve
                              Good example, not just with gluckspilz, but many others who mix mass advertising or high powered global promotion (as you say) with hype. Many different labels is starting to bleed into the original definition. Which was one of the original reasons for me starting this thread. For example, I've notice more online dictionaries using hype with no mention of deception or even exaggeration and some that do.

                              Here's an example of 3 that don't.
                              Google
                              Dictionary.com
                              Oxford

                              For example,
                              When it's used as a verb - it's flamboyant, flashy, exciting, over-the-top
                              - But -
                              When it's used as a noun - it's deceptive, exaggerated, questionable.
                              People often get the two confused, or say or mean it in the wrong context.

                              For example, when someone said hype sells, they probably mean excitement. flashy, flamboyant sells. When others could interpret his meaning deception or trickery sells. Same word ... two meanings, two contextual meanings. Anyone confused yet?

                              And that's just one example. I haven't even mentioned the urban dictionary version, growing in popularity by the 25 and under crowd. That's making it even more confusing. It's starting to get as clear as mud.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                IMO, the only way to avoid hype (assuming it even needs to be avoided) is to sell a product where the product sells itself.

                                Now, that is easier said than done, especially in the MMO niche where the buyer really doesn't know what he's getting a good part of the time because the product itself is shrouded in so much secrecy. It may very well work, but unfortunately you don't get to find out until you open up the box.

                                That's my personal problem with the niche in general, though I am not passing judgment on it. I myself was a HUGE part of the "problem."

                                Now I try to sell things where the product speaks for itself. To that end, I've found the perfect niche for me. It's where my music does the talking and I don't have to. People will either like it or hate it based on what they hear and not on what I say.

                                But like I said, those niches are hard to find. It took me 11 years to find this one.

                                Having said all that, I don't believe that hype is necessarily a bad thing as long as it's not the kind that Ray pointed out where you're outright trying to deceive or con the prospect. There's nothing wrong with trying to get your prospect excited about buying with your words as long as your words are not lies. At least that's my opinion.

                                YMMV.
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                                • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
                                  IMO, the only way to avoid hype ... is to sell a product where the product sells itself.
                                  Steve, no product sells itself. None. Not even water in the desert.

                                  Your music will not sell itself. People will give it a listen or not based on what you say about it to interest them in it.

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                                  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                    Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

                                    Steve, no product sells itself. None. Not even water in the desert.

                                    Your music will not sell itself. People will give it a listen or not based on what you say about it to interest them in it.

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                                    Actually, this depends on the type of musical product. The one I'm selling, in my sales page, does nothing more than list the types of patches that are in the library, what synths the warvetables were sampled from and how many patches and wavetables in total.

                                    The demo itself will either show the patches off well or it won't. But very few words for this product are needed. The proof of that is how many sales I've made already.

                                    Again, depends on the product.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
                                      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                                      Actually, this depends on the type of musical product. The one I'm selling, in my sales page, does nothing more than list the types of patches that are in the library, what synths the warvetables were sampled from and how many patches and wavetables in total.

                                      The demo itself will either show the patches off well or it won't. But very few words for this product are needed. The proof of that is how many sales I've made already.

                                      Again, depends on the product.
                                      So, your prospects are basically sold or pre-sold? It's just a matter of who they're going buy from, is that right?
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                        Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

                                        So, your prospects are basically sold or pre-sold? It's just a matter of who they're going buy from, is that right?
                                        To a degree, I guess. Let me explain the product and then you can decide for yourself.

                                        A new synth just came out called Serum. It's used for making electronic music.

                                        I created a patch library of new sounds for this synth.

                                        So, it's a matter of just letting prospects hear the demo for the library so that they can determine whether or not they like the sounds enough to buy the library. That's it.

                                        The downside of this model is that not every electronic music producer has Serum, especially since it's brand new and still in beta. I am hoping that the synth will catch on and more people will buy it. Of course at that time, other people will also come out with libraries (right now I'm about the only one) and I'll have competition.

                                        But it will still come down to the sound of the library upon hearing the demo. All the "This amazing library" stuff doesn't work for this niche because nobody reads the hype. Just give them a link to the demo so they can decide if they like it or not. No words will convince somebody to buy if the sounds suck.

                                        That's what I mean by a product that sells itself. If I do enough of these libraries for other synths I just might have a nice niche making me some decent money.

                                        But the quality has to be there.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author gluckspilz
                                          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                                          To a degree, I guess. Let me explain the product and then you can decide for yourself.

                                          A new synth just came out called Serum. It's used for making electronic music.

                                          I created a patch library of new sounds for this synth.

                                          So, it's a matter of just letting prospects hear the demo for the library so that they can determine whether or not they like the sounds enough to buy the library. That's it.

                                          The downside of this model is that not every electronic music producer has Serum, especially since it's brand new and still in beta. I am hoping that the synth will catch on and more people will buy it. Of course at that time, other people will also come out with libraries (right now I'm about the only one) and I'll have competition.

                                          But it will still come down to the sound of the library upon hearing the demo. All the "This amazing library" stuff doesn't work for this niche because nobody reads the hype. Just give them a link to the demo so they can decide if they like it or not. No words will convince somebody to buy if the sounds suck.

                                          That's what I mean by a product that sells itself. If I do enough of these libraries for other synths I just might have a nice niche making me some decent money.

                                          But the quality has to be there.
                                          There's two way of selling.

                                          You convince your prospect that they need what you have to offer
                                          or
                                          They convince themself that the need what you have to offer.

                                          In your example, you're using the 2nd method which doesn't need much hype.

                                          BUT... BUT!!!!

                                          I can guarantee you if you had some proper COPY which tends to always have strong persuasive, hypnotic and hype. Your conversion rate WILL increase.
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                                          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                            Originally Posted by gluckspilz View Post

                                            There's two way of selling.

                                            You convince your prospect that they need what you have to offer
                                            or
                                            They convince themself that the need what you have to offer.

                                            In your example, you're using the 2nd method which doesn't need much hype.

                                            BUT... BUT!!!!

                                            I can guarantee you if you had some proper COPY which tends to always have strong persuasive, hypnotic and hype. Your conversion rate WILL increase.
                                            As I can't know for sure, I will concede that you could be right. But unlike most other products that I've sold where sales copy was critical, this one is selling without me doing much of anything at all copy wise, which I find absolutely fascinating.
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                                            • Profile picture of the author knyght
                                              Everyone on this thread seems to be very honest and conscientious and yet there is no consensus concerning hype.

                                              There seems to be fine line between "promoting" and misleading to make the "quick buck".

                                              Lose 30 lbs in a month. Is that hype? You could come up with many testimonials to "prove" that it is the case. But real data might show that less than 1% ever achieve that result. Hype or not hype?

                                              Lose 12 lbs in a month. That's something that can be attained "theoretically" by "everyone" yet how many people would respond to that ad? Not very compelling or "inspiring".

                                              Originally Posted by HelpingYouBeAnExpert View Post

                                              We live in the world of hype. People say they hate hype, but when presented 99% go with the hype even that they say their sick of it. IM does what tracking and numbers way it should do IT HYPES STUFF UP! That's the harsh truth as I see it, I wish I was wrong. I hate hype...
                                              I agree with that.

                                              People say that they "hate" sign-up popups, yet they have a higher conversion rate.

                                              People say that they hate "reality shows", yet they watch them.

                                              Sell the sizzle not the steak.
                                              If people want blue suede shoe then sell them blue suede shoes. If you don't sell them then someone else will.

                                              There is a fine line between "hype" and "hype free" as has been illustrated by some great examples and comments on this thread.
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                                              • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                                                Originally Posted by knyght View Post

                                                People say that they "hate" sign-up popups, yet they have a higher conversion rate.

                                                People say that they hate "reality shows", yet they watch them.
                                                And in their minds, they're telling the truth.

                                                They do hate some sign-up pops. The rest don't register strongly enough to take up memory space in their heads.

                                                They do hate some reality shows. The rest don't register. The ones they watch don't count, because it's something they enjoy.

                                                Which is why one person might label a sales page as "hype" while another eats up the hype with a spoon.

                                                The trick from our end is to find the balance between selling most effectively and being able to look ourselves in the eye in the mirror in the morning.
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                                                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                                  Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                                                  And in their minds, they're telling the truth.

                                                  They do hate some sign-up pops. The rest don't register strongly enough to take up memory space in their heads.

                                                  They do hate some reality shows. The rest don't register. The ones they watch don't count, because it's something they enjoy.

                                                  Which is why one person might label a sales page as "hype" while another eats up the hype with a spoon.

                                                  The trick from our end is to find the balance between selling most effectively and being able to look ourselves in the eye in the mirror in the morning.
                                                  John, I have no problem looking at myself in the mirror in the morning.

                                                  Not anymore.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
                                    Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

                                    Steve, no product sells itself. None. Not even water in the desert.
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                                    Ha, Ha. I almost agreed with you Marcia, until I remembered this.

                                    How about bottled water at a jazz concert in 97 degree weather?

                                    All the person had was a hand scribbled sign that said $2. They taped it to a metal tub filled with a 107 bottles of water and ice. He sold out in 10 minutes.
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                        • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
                          Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

                          Wouldn't a business committed to "no B.S., no hype, no fluff" really stand out in an ocean full of competitors that were slinging hype and B.S.? Read Seth Godin's little book, Purple Cow, and put the principle into action in your own marketing.

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                          He, He. If I may use a sports analogy. It's like before they started testing athletes for steroids. Most of the athletes felt they had to do it (so they say) to stay competitive. That's the way hype is in certain venues and with certain people, so it seems.

                          For certain people -- No hype ... no get noticed, generally speaking. Sad but true.
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            • Profile picture of the author Chris-
              Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo View Post

              My point is, if you can't back it up with the content to explain it in a report or video that's when it hype and b.s.

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              In my experience the ONLY type of proof that is fool-proof is what one has done ONESELF. There is no form of report, video, image, or even real statistics on a site that one can look at oneself, that cannot be faked in one form or another . . . obviously it's very easy to fake an image in Photoshop, and just as possible in video (although slightly more work) . . . I remember one example from a hyped IM method where there were "real" sales on ClickBank that one could go and see for oneself, but someone pointed out how they weren't really what they were said to be for, so all of that can be faked.

              If you want to know what's true, DO it YOURSELF. That's the ONLY way you can be sure, because in part the results you get depend on your own personality etc. so a method that might work for someone else, might NOT work for you even if you write the same words, use the same web-design etc. So even knowing genuinely that a method has worked for someone else, does not really mean that it will work for you.

              Having said that, I've bought a lot of IM methods that didn't actually work, BUT I don't regret any of those purchases because I learned something each time, and that is worth the money I spent. The biggest thing for a newbie to learn is that IM methods don't necessarily work as specified, so one needs to treat them as a learning experience, and not get angry when it doesn't all work as defined (and not spend money you can't afford to lose).

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  • Profile picture of the author Chris-
    That's why I love being an Amazon affiliate . . . where honest works better than hype, and the honesty is free, from what real customers have to say about real products from genuine experience (well mostly, there are some fake ones, but not too many), compared to the vast sums of money for well-written hype (sales copy) I know which I choose

    There's been enough decades of hype that people are used to it, and increasingly ignoring it or avoiding it in some areas where genuine feedback is fairly easy to find, yet, as you say, there is still plenty of hype in IM.

    For hype to work, people need to be WANTING unrealistic instant wealth with no work, no experience, and no understanding. So it's the people wanting it which make it worth doing still. And that is more likely in IM than in buying a physical product. Real hard work is not trendy in most areas of society in most countries (China being an obvious exception).

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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by Chris- View Post

      That's why I love being an Amazon affiliate . . . where honest works better than hype, and the honesty is free, from what real customers have to say about real products from genuine experience (well mostly, there are some fake ones, but not too many), compared to the vast sums of money for well-written hype (sales copy) I know which I choose

      There's been enough decades of hype that people are used to it, and increasingly ignoring it or avoiding it in some areas where genuine feedback is fairly easy to find, yet, as you say, there is still plenty of hype in IM.

      For hype to work, people need to be WANTING unrealistic instant wealth with no work, no experience, and no understanding. So it's the people wanting it which make it worth doing still. And that is more likely in IM than in buying a physical product. Real hard work is not trendy in most areas of society in most countries (China being an obvious exception).


      Chris
      I agree with your general points about hype, but I'm not sure it's just limited or even most prevalent to those wanting instant wealth. Many who simply want to earn enough to pay the bills or quit their job fall for more hype than most will admit. Plus, there's a lot of hype in real estate, used car sales and even mortgage loans despite the restrictive government regulations those industries have, far more than internet marketing.

      I think it just comes down to a seller finding a prospects vunerability and taking advantage of it through hype. That could happen in any industry, even the incredibly regulated ones. My. biggest concern is too much hype could eventually attract more government regulation to internet marketers.
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      • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
        Plus, there's a lot of hype in real estate, used car sales and even mortgage loans despite the restrictive government regulations those industries have, far more than internet marketing.
        For example, a house down the road from me was pitched as being a 15 minute drive from ___ [nearest city]. In fact, it's 30 minutes when you're driving at the speed limit.

        That's either hype or lying, depending on whether or not the real estate agent was just spacey or deliberately untruthful in order to get the sale.

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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

          For example, a house down the road from me was pitched as being a 15 minute drive from ___ [nearest city]. In fact, it's 30 minutes when you're driving at the speed limit.

          That's either hype or lying, depending on whether or not the real estate agent was just spacey or deliberately untruthful in order to get the sale.

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          I've seen a lot of descriptions like that. One day I got bored and dug out an old atlas.

          If you measured from the eastern edge of Town A to the western edge of Town B, the math worked. If you measured from the actual location of the house, it added several minutes, and any red lights added more.
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          Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

          For example, a house down the road from me was pitched as being a 15 minute drive from ___ [nearest city]. In fact, it's 30 minutes when you're driving at the speed limit.

          That's either hype or lying, depending on whether or not the real estate agent was just spacey or deliberately untruthful in order to get the sale.

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          Marcia, I found this post particularly appropriate.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris-
        Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

        I agree with your general points about hype, but I'm not sure it's just limited or even most prevalent to those wanting instant wealth. Many who simply want to earn enough to pay the bills or quit their job fall for more hype than most will admit. Plus, there's a lot of hype in real estate, used car sales and even mortgage loans despite the restrictive government regulations those industries have, far more than internet marketing.

        I think it just comes down to a seller finding a prospects vunerability and taking advantage of it through hype. That could happen in any industry, even the incredibly regulated ones. My. biggest concern is too much hype could eventually attract more government regulation to internet marketers.
        Yes, I agree, lots of different people fall for the hype, and yes, there's plenty of hype in areas other than IM. Yes, as you say, it is about taking advantage of people's vulnerability. The only way to get beyond that is for each individual to remove their vulnerabilities, and that's not going to happen (very few people choose to be honest enough with themselves to even start working towards that, although it is certainly possible).

        Interesting point about government regulation due to excessive hype in IM. That would be bad for everyone. However, those who are doing the hype are those least likely to care about anyone else, as as you say, they are exploiting other's vulnerability (although personally I'd say it is up to the individual to take the responsibility to become less vulnerable or accept the consequences!).

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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

    Because of so much hype, many hesitate to commit or even take action.
    There are lots of "excuses" for marketers not taking action. If you don't enter a market because of what others are doing around you . . . that's your choice. Nobody will force you to market that same way. Personally, I think marketers that do this are better off not going into the market because they lack the spine necessary to stand out - go against the flow - so to speak.


    Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

    But is hype over rated? Should it stop, retard or even cause you to quit or seek other (greener) pastures?
    Hype in the marketplace is something you can't control - at least in others. But you can control hype in your own business with the things you present and the way you operate.

    I don't worry about things that are outside my own control. I do business the way I want and let the consequences follow! I've learned over many years experience that "telling it like it is" and being straight with prospects and customers is by far the best and most profitable approach to marketing in every niche I've entered.

    Prospects, customers, and suppliers gravitate to honesty and forthrightness.

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  • We live in the world of hype. People say they hate hype, but when presented 99% go with the hype even that they say their sick of it. IM does what tracking and numbers way it should do IT HYPES STUFF UP! That's the harsh truth as I see it, I wish I was wrong. I hate hype, but I'm no one of importance.
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      Originally Posted by HelpingYouBeAnExpert View Post

      We live in the world of hype. People say they hate hype, but when presented 99% go with the hype even that they say their sick of it. IM does what tracking and numbers way it should do IT HYPES STUFF UP! That's the harsh truth as I see it, I wish I was wrong. I hate hype, but I'm no one of importance.
      The perfect answer as far as I'm concerned.

      On a parallel note, there is a guy on the Warrior Forum named Oz /aka SMS on the WF -- who had a great wso about Q Factor (circa 2009). All about quality. In everything you produce and leave on the web.

      Those who care about quality ultimately have the easiest time getting to their ultimate pinnacles -- maybe it takes a little bit longer than "quick" methods using hype, but quality lasts so much longer and takes less energy to maintain.

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  • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
    Hype is over used. People are getting blind to it I think. Overrated? Not sure about that; see previous sentence.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by Tim_Carter View Post

      Hype is over used. People are getting blind to it I think.
      That maybe somewhat true with the experienced, but there's always a fresh supply of newbies -desperate for a quick fix.That's the perfect prospect for hype.
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  • Profile picture of the author st0nec0ld
    Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

    Hype is another one of those overused words that's losing it's original meaning. If it's highly publicized it's called hype, if it's a subject a person disagrees with it's even called hype. I've heard the word used in many situations to down play an issue, subject, or movement.
    The quoted post can somewhat be related to link building, seo or internet marketing as a whole -- being dead. When people can't adapt to changes they will just say that "link building is dead" or "seo is dead" or "internet marketing is dead" hahaha something like that which quite funny, really... I think it is a trend now?! haha
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  • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
    I have a quick.answer for this Internet Marketing is only overrated If you do not enjoy what you do.

    If you enjoy what you do you would never even ask that question in my opinion
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by entrepreneurjay View Post

      I have a quick.answer for this Internet Marketing is only overrated If you do not enjoy what you do.

      If you enjoy what you do you would never even ask that question in my opinion
      I'm sorry, you'll have to go a little deeper in your analogy. I'm not quite sure how you're linking one issue with the other.

      Because I ask a question that affects many people. Plus, one that scores of others have talked about (The Hype in I.M). You're saying because I ask the question I don't enjoy what I do? Huh
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  • Profile picture of the author collison
    If you have the same business model as everyone else and are selling to the same market as everyone else, maybe all you are left with is hype, so that you can stand out from the crowd. A better way is either not have the same business model as everyone else( and this is complex often you think two people have the same business model but there can be vital differences which make one a success and the other a failure), or don't sell to same market as everyone else, or get better access to your market using collaborators.
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    • Profile picture of the author knyght
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      The trick from our end is to find the balance between selling most effectively and being able to look ourselves in the eye in the mirror in the morning.
      That's the bottom line and that's what will work best in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author JNano
    It doesn't seem to be as bad as a couple of years ago, but I still see plenty of product sellers make clearly exaggerated claims.

    I'm starting to see more and more sellers use disclaimers, or at least write something somewhere on their sales letter/ad that tones down the hype a bit.
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  • Profile picture of the author IvoryPearl
    There is no such thing as "Get Rich Quick" in IM....just working hard and working smart!
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  • Profile picture of the author ACandi
    Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

    Hype is another one of those overused words that's losing it's original meaning. If it's highly publicized it's called hype, if it's a subject a person disagrees with it's even called hype. I've heard the word used in many situations to down play an issue, subject, or movement.

    To me hype is exaggerated or misleading claims backed by little or no proof.

    But in your opinion is the hype over rated? How do you handle the hype? Do you ignore it? Or just accept it as price of admission?
    Starting from your definition of 'hype' I think its the cause of untold grief of many persons trying to earn real income online.

    I would even extend the definition to include promotion backed by 'staged' testimonials. Meaning testimonials put on by 'actors' using 'props' such cars and homes rented for the sole purpose of shooting either the promotional video or the testimonial.

    The earlier an aspiring internet marketer is able to recognize our definition of hype the better. The rule should therefore be 'buyer beware and do a background check on the seller'.
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