Is it possible to make it in IM without coaching?

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The opinions of most of the long time, been-there-and-done-it Warriors seems to be that without coaching from a top name in the IM community a newby has no chance of success.

True or false?

So here is where I am coming from. Nearly 2 years ago I bought a course that promised me a new life as an Affiliate Marketer using Social Media to build a list. A year later I had a small utterly unresponsive list that refused to grow.

Thanks to WF I now know that most of the techniques were either outdated or down right wrong.

I would love to be coached by Alex Jeffreys or someone similar but suggest that Alex would not be interested in a fee of anything under $5,000, and indeed why should he be.

Now my personal money pot has already been emptied but am making a small amount online and fighting back. Have too many WSO's on my hard drive but still keep trying.

Would like to know. Am I p<##ing in the wind or can I make it alone?
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  • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
    Coaching from a legitimate, experienced coach will no doubt get you on the right path and help you avoid lots of mistakes. That is, if you truly follow their advice.

    Is it necessary? Absolutely not. However you have to be willing to make all the mistakes yourself, and you have to be a very determined person.

    Internet Marketing is SIMPLE.

    You buy or create something of real value, and you sell it for more than it cost you. BAM. That's the whole formula.

    The most difficult part for most people, is how to get the word out. Promoting/advertising is what will make or break you.
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    • Profile picture of the author talfighel
      Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel View Post

      That is, if you truly follow their advice.
      I must admit that some gurus out there teach old techniques that really don't work. But there are some that are really legit and very good.

      The problem is that most people don't want to do everything that the "mentor" is teaching them. They have this mind set of:

      "I don't want to do that." Or "I don't see why I have to do that too".

      That's one of the reasons why most people fail. They are not willing to do what it takes or what ever it takes to succeed.
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    • Profile picture of the author wying
      Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel View Post

      Coaching from a legitimate, experienced coach will no doubt get you on the right path and help you avoid lots of mistakes. That is, if you truly follow their advice.

      Is it necessary? Absolutely not. However you have to be willing to make all the mistakes yourself, and you have to be a very determined person.

      Internet Marketing is SIMPLE.

      You buy or create something of real value, and you sell it for more than it cost you. BAM. That's the whole formula.

      The most difficult part for most people, is how to get the word out. Promoting/advertising is what will make or break you.
      I TOTALLY AGREE WITH IT ,THE INTERNET WE USED TODAY IS DIFFERENCE THE ONE AT 5 YEARS AGO , THE PEOPLE NEED SOMETHING OF REAL VALUE!
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    • Profile picture of the author GainMoreLikes
      Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel View Post

      Coaching from a legitimate, experienced coach will no doubt get you on the right path and help you avoid lots of mistakes. That is, if you truly follow their advice.

      Is it necessary? Absolutely not. However you have to be willing to make all the mistakes yourself, and you have to be a very determined person.

      Internet Marketing is SIMPLE.

      You buy or create something of real value, and you sell it for more than it cost you. BAM. That's the whole formula.

      The most difficult part for most people, is how to get the word out. Promoting/advertising is what will make or break you.
      He said it all! You need coaching if you want to avoid all the pitfall. In order words, let someone who's been there guide you through.

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    • Profile picture of the author GainMoreLikes
      Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel View Post

      Coaching from a legitimate, experienced coach will no doubt get you on the right path and help you avoid lots of mistakes. That is, if you truly follow their advice.

      Is it necessary? Absolutely not. However you have to be willing to make all the mistakes yourself, and you have to be a very determined person.

      Internet Marketing is SIMPLE.

      You buy or create something of real value, and you sell it for more than it cost you. BAM. That's the whole formula.

      The most difficult part for most people, is how to get the word out. Promoting/advertising is what will make or break you.
      Internet Marketing is really simple, trust me!
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  • First of all, I am a fan of Alex Jeffrey's for what he does and how he does it. He has remarkable products that I personally have enjoyed, not to mention he always makes great recommendations in his emails. (Yes, I am on his list.)

    The answer to your first and original question:

    YES and NO

    It goes both ways actually. There are people who have the mindset that they can get to the top alone, and they have the right work ethic to get there with a little bit of guidance along the way (via WSOs, free info online, and the Warrior Forum)

    And then there are people who also have a good mindset but they need that kick starter, that boost, or that person who plays the role of a pusher, who won't stop pushing you until you take the right action in the right businesses.

    If you feel like you can go at it alone, you definitely can.

    I've bought WSOs and got some free help every now and then, but I was able to build different income streams purely from my own effort without a coach.

    Will others do the same? The real question, "CAN others do the same?" And I say yes, but it all depends on the person.

    I never really needed anybody to push me because I was willing to research and do the work on my own, and also fail on my own.

    I see a lot of warriors here who are very afraid to even take the plunge into a certain business idea, even the strategies that don't require money upfront.

    - Find A Plan And Implement It

    Look up to somebody and ask for tiny tidbits of help a long the way. There are many WSO sellers who offer free help, provided that you don't overwhelm them by nagging, especially since you didn't pay for one on one coaching.

    If you want to spend some money on getting a mentor, go ahead and do so because it will be worth it, as long as you work with the right person......

    But again, the answer is both and YES and NO! It's up to the person. It's up to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author agmccall
      The answer is a definite YES

      There is so much good free information as well as low priced ebooks that get right to the point of what you are looking to do.

      Say you want to focus on affiliate marketing, just google that phrase and start studying. along the way you might buy a course or 2 but that will still be hundreds if not thousands less than paying a mentor/coach that will probably tell you the same thing

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  • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
    Contrary to popular myth. Most people who succeeded online or off did it without having to hire a $5,000 guru coach. Although in a perfect world that would be nice. But don't get it twisted. With or without a coach you'll still need self-motivation, dedication, focus and commitment.

    A coach can save you a measure of time, and help you avoid some mistakes, but so can others if you pay attention.

    There's more "no and low" cost information available now than in the history of the world. But it still requires initiative, discipline, focus and energy to take advantage of it. Coach or no coach you still have to supply that.

    Don't let not having a personal coach hold you back or supply the excuse for not succeeding. For every person saying you need a personal coach, thousands have succeeded without one. Be your own coach - if you can't find or afford one.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    If you look at the stats of millions of people that have tried operating an online business you'll have every conceivable answer possible. No one here, based on the info you've given, can say for certain what type of success you'll have.

    Personally, I don't think a coach is necessary. What is critical is that you do the right things. What does that mean? It means seeing past what the herd is doing. Every day there are hundreds of threads posted to this board where people ask questions and receive answers that vary from flat out wrong to being fairly useful. Most are wrong with the person answering sincerely trying to help or with the person answering trying to build their post count and get sig exposure. In other words, they'll parrot anything that seems to be right just to get some exposure. Unfortunately, too many people take them seriously.

    Right now there are several active threads touting the wonders of fiverr and how great it is for newbies to get started. But it's not. It might be okay if people would use it to get some traction and then move up the marketing food chain and earn a bit more with each move. But the reality is the vast majority of them stay mired in that low rent venue. They could make more money working a minimum wage job.

    I don't want to make this about fiverr but it does serve as an example of how much of the info you'll get here isn't accurate or only partially accurate.

    Here's what anyone looking for success in business needs to do. Find a product that people want, need and can afford. Then build a community around it and give that product to them with great service. If you make that model the backbone of your business you WILL be successful. Forget autopilot. Building a business takes deliberate work. Forget dirty little secrets. There are no secrets.

    And on the road to success you've got to do things the smart way rather than than the shabby way. Forget SEO. It's out of the reach of the beginner. SEO has it's place in what I call select marketing ecosystems but trying to compete with the millions of real authority sites out there is stupid. There are far more effective ways to get targeted traffic. I realize this also goes against conventional wisdom but it 100% true.

    In fact, any method that is touted for it's ease is probably not going to work. Cheesy articles designed to rank or get backlinks are the kiss of death. Whatever you do, make sure your content is of high quality. That's the real key to online success but people insist on skimping on it and pay the price with failure. Forget the nonsense about Google frowning on duplicate content. I've got one site that is 99% RSS content and I get thousands upon thousands of visitors every week. I hardly touch the thing and it produces an endless stream of leads.

    One of my early mentors in business said something I'll never forget. "Find out what everyone is doing and then don't do it." Seems to be the exact opposite to conventional wisdom but it's true. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aliasjackjones
    Originally Posted by Ron C Farrow View Post

    The opinions of most of the long time, been-there-and-done-it Warriors seems to be that without coaching from a top name in the IM community a newby has no chance of success.

    True or false?
    Strictly speaking, false. There are numerous people in the IM business who've had no coaching but still make a fair pile of money. That being said, coaching will cut down your learning curve drastically provided you have a good mentor. Your mentor will save you countless hours that will be lost in making mistakes and learning if you decide to start on your own.


    Originally Posted by Ron C Farrow View Post

    So here is where I am coming from. Nearly 2 years ago I bought a course that promised me a new life as an Affiliate Marketer using Social Media to build a list. A year later I had a small utterly unresponsive list that refused to grow.

    Thanks to WF I now know that most of the techniques were either outdated or down right wrong.
    I know that feeling, been there myself. I now keep reminding myself that there is a difference between "Sticking to it" and "Getting stuck".

    Originally Posted by Ron C Farrow View Post

    Now my personal money pot has already been emptied but am making a small amount online and fighting back. Have too many WSO's on my hard drive but still keep trying.

    Would like to know. Am I p<##ing in the wind or can I make it alone?
    It is quite a tricky situation, as you have no money to invest in a good mentor. In my opinion you should give it a try on your own until you have enough extra money to buy coaching.

    But, what ever you do know that it will take a lot of work and discipline. Choose a model that has been proven to work. And see if you can get results within a amount of time that is personally sustainable to your life. Focus on one project at a time and give it all you got.

    Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron C Farrow
      Wow! I wasn't expecting so much great advice in a small space of time from such authoratative figures . Thank you, I have gained loads from this and also thanks for the encouragement.

      WF really is a fantastic resource!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Of course you can make it on your own. Thousands have done it. Maybe millions, I don't know.

    What you don't understand is that success is up to you. It has always been so. Even if you have a great coach or mentor . . . it's still up to you!

    So many people come into IM with high hopes and money dreams. And they leave sooner or later blaming lousy products and scamming gurus for their failure. They don't get it.

    You choose who you want to listen to. You choose who you want to follow. You choose the ebooks, courses, and products you buy.

    But most importantly, you choose how much work, sacrifice, and effort you put into your own success.

    You are solely responsible for what happens in IM. It's all up to you.

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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Hello Ron,
      I will have to chime in and say absolutely you can make it without a formal Coach.

      People do it everyday here

      I think if you have a good Coach it can really do wonders in some circumstances.

      But you can learn a great deal from a Mentor who is NOT a Coach per say


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  • Profile picture of the author miklanderson2
    False. I'm a relative newcomer here in comparison to some of the long-time Warriors, but I've managed to carve out a good living via IM and haven't had any one-on-one coaching. It isn't coaching that determines whether a new marketer makes it or not. The biggest determining factor is whether they find or create a product or service and then figure out who to sell that product or service to before they either run out of money and have to get a real job or they give up out of frustration.

    A good coach might tilt the odds slightly in your favor, but they aren't going to do everything for you. On the other hand, there's always a chance you could connect with one of the many coaches out there who aren't qualified to be coaches and end up setting yourself back instead of moving forward.

    You can make it alone, but the path to success isn't buying a bunch of WSOs looking for your golden ticket. If you've been reading posts here in the forum and have read a bunch of WSOs, you've got the information you need to be successful. Now get to work implementing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    Some of the best computer programmers I ever met never went to college.



    Many of the computer programmers I met in college absolutely suck.

    (Neat little metaphor).

    Not saying it's accurate, but surely there's some truth, right?
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    • Profile picture of the author knyght
      Originally Posted by talfighel View Post

      "I don't want to do that." Or "I don't see why I have to do that too".

      That's one of the reasons why most people fail. They are not willing to do what it takes or what ever it takes to succeed.
      This is absolutely true.

      With this mindset you are "guaranteed" to fail whether you have a coach or not! If you know that you need to do something particular that you don't want to do or feel like doing to be successful and you don't do it you will not succeed. It is simple as that.
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  • Profile picture of the author elcidofaguy
    False gets my vote!!! Personally I think one should take the time to learn, engage and experiment... IM is moving fast and there are so many different methods... For me the key is to maintain consistency and dedication... That I believe is down to you and only you....
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  • Profile picture of the author Trey Morgan
    It depends upon your ability to be self-motivated to learn through trial and error. If you have the discipline to take consistent daily action without any guarantees then you don't really need a coach because you will learn through the process of trial and error.

    If you have problems taking action because of a fear of failure or a lack of clarity, then a coach can help you get on the right path as long as you're willing to take action on his/her teachings.
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  • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
    Of course you can make it without coaching, but your level of success depends highly on your personality and how BAD you want to succeed.

    I have found that those who have committed 110% and gone ALL IN to succeed eventually do...if you look at the 90%+ of others who don't reach their goals, chances are they did not give it everything they had.

    When you refuse to fail, you go out and FIND the answers you need. For some people, that means coaching, for others it means closely watching and learning from what top marketers DO instead of what they say or tell you to do - and that is free!

    The other way you learn, of course, is by trying things, hitting obstacles, finding answers, trying again, hitting the next set of obstacles, asking questions and then trying again.

    Honestly, when the big names see huge effort, huge passion and proven tenacity - you will get opportunities to meet with them, and eventually, to even work with them because they know (as much as you do) that it is just a matter of time before you succeed...and they want to be associated with winners.

    Starting today, decide what you will achieve by specific date, work out a plan for how you will get there and start right away working that plan. Condition yourself each day as if you have already achieved your goals...think like you have, act like you have - because in your mind (and soon in the mind of your customers) you will convince everyone that you ARE THERE today.

    I'm not a big fan of getting one person to coach you on everything...my experience is that it is better to build yourself a circle of people you respect and can learn from with different strengths (copywriters, technical experts, graphics people, ad people, etc...) and network, share what you are learning and they will share what they learn.

    If you really want to accelerate in one area or another (Ex I have hired expert copywriters to review my sales pages early on and to teach me how to improve them) - then hire an expert that can teach you in that specific area.

    Hope this helps,

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  • Profile picture of the author borsaronero
    Originally Posted by Ron C Farrow View Post

    The opinions of most of the long time, been-there-and-done-it Warriors seems to be that without coaching from a top name in the IM community a newby has no chance of success.

    True or false?

    So here is where I am coming from. Nearly 2 years ago I bought a course that promised me a new life as an Affiliate Marketer using Social Media to build a list. A year later I had a small utterly unresponsive list that refused to grow.

    Thanks to WF I now know that most of the techniques were either outdated or down right wrong.

    I would love to be coached by Alex Jeffreys or someone similar but suggest that Alex would not be interested in a fee of anything under $5,000, and indeed why should he be.

    Now my personal money pot has already been emptied but am making a small amount online and fighting back. Have too many WSO's on my hard drive but still keep trying.

    Would like to know. Am I p<##ing in the wind or can I make it alone?
    If you want to see what work without coaching you should spend time analyzing what the big player and good blogger are doing and do the same.

    When I mean study I mean a serious investigation. Setup many Excel sheet and analyze step by step everything. It is the most effective training.

    If you don't have time to do that and you want to start with a one best advice I think that success online is made from 1) Be effective 2) Consistency, write great articles every week 3) Share them like your life depends on it.

    I am not joking, I think that this is the key to success. In one word? Passion.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Originally Posted by Ron C Farrow View Post

    The opinions of most of the long time, been-there-and-done-it Warriors seems to be that without coaching from a top name in the IM community a newby has no chance of success.

    True or false?
    No chance of success without paid coaching? I would be wary of anyone making that claim.

    Originally Posted by Ron C Farrow View Post

    Nearly 2 years ago I bought a course that promised me a new life as an Affiliate Marketer using Social Media to build a list. A year later I had a small utterly unresponsive list that refused to grow.
    Your chances of finding affiliate marketing success through a model in which lists are your primary sales source are not good.

    Originally Posted by Ron C Farrow View Post

    Thanks to WF I now know that most of the techniques were either outdated or down right wrong.
    It's pretty typical of these "guru" programs to sell information that is less than optimal.

    Originally Posted by Ron C Farrow View Post

    I would love to be coached by Alex Jeffreys
    Run of the mill "make money online guru." I'm sure he would work with you for less than $5,000.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery Moss
    There are all kinds of coaches online and offline. You can find these mentors on forums or blogs. The key to finding a coach that works for you is to find one person online that speaks to you in a significant way and has actual experience in your niche, including email marketing (an essential for any site). Once you find the person that seems knowledgeable, you'll want to read everything they have to say and study their own site to see if you can emulate your way to success.
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  • Profile picture of the author pauljones99
    Lot of newbies are really expecting to plunk down $2k-$5k and be spoon fed a $100k+ year guaranteed business. In the fairy tale world of the WSO this seems normal. But in reality it's B*S* we know this..right?

    Having said that i do believe some coaching can be very good at an advanced level. say you want to go from a six figure business to a seven figure one. But all this newbie dream chasing is a complete scam.
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  • Profile picture of the author pauljones99
    In reality why would any successful marketer making seven figures+ bother with the headaches of teaching? I know....they care soo much about their fellow man ,etc...LOL reality 101 though you must ask that question.
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  • Profile picture of the author pauljones99
    See again a crock of B*S* advice prevails on forums....

    1) Be effective 2) Consistency, write great articles every week 3) Share them like your life depends on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author ArtexJake
    I found coaching to be very helpful to myself and to many others. I have failed over 100 times but now I know what not to do. Coaching may not hand you a spoon of golden fortunes, but it sure does help point you in the right direction.

    The biggest thing that I see people fail at, and it has even happened to myself, is motivation. I find motivational speaches to be a great addition to anything that you are doing online. DO NOT lose your motivation because that will cause you to slow down your drive to success or even get frustrated to the point a bail out.

    Just always keep one thing in mind "It's not impossible" and ask yourself these simple questions...

    1. What am I doing wrong?
    2. What did I learn from it?
    3. What am I going to do next?
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  • Profile picture of the author oWEN tEBB
    Of course you can make it online without a coach there are a few that are doing it such as myself. I like the others have basically identify what they want to do, they invested time into learning that method and once learnt they apply it in the action they take. As long as you have the commitment and the self motivation to succeed then you can achieve anything.

    Dont get me wrong im not dead against having a coach as there are plenty of benefits such as keeping on the right path and prevent you from spending money on products that going to make you no money but one thing i can guarantee....

    Having a coach is not a guarantee that you make lots of money. The cold hard truth is to make this work depends on you. Like it or not there no get rich quick scheme available regardless of what those gurus say.

    My advice to any newbie is to set a budget, break that budget down, learn that method and take action. Its that easy.

    Good luck to all

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  • Profile picture of the author Samuel Adams
    Much of what passes as 'coaching' on the internet for marketing is just rehashed content from five or ten years ago, including myths about search engine marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author James McAllister
    You don't need a coach at all, but it's (in my opinion) a good investment.

    The truth is, the amount you'll learn from a good coach will save you a ton of time in the long run. Internet marketing is a huge subject to tackle. It's inevitable that beginners will run into silly mistakes that a coach could help you avoid completely. I never invested in a coach, and I sometimes wonder how much farther along I'd be if I had avoided all the beginner mistakes I made.

    Still, I believe facing those mistakes first hand was an incredible learning experience and in a way I'm glad I had them.

    So it really depends on what you value your time at. If you do decide to go through with it, make sure to go for someone reputable. As I'm sure you're aware, there are a lot of junk WSOs out there and you won't want to waste your money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    I never had a coach so yes, It's possible.
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    • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      I never had a coach so yes, It's possible.
      OP's income requirements are much higher in the UK than you need in Thailand.

      Just something for people to keep in mind when reading these kind of threads. People from all over the world. "Making it" in one country could be homelessness in another.
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      • Profile picture of the author Adie
        Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

        OP's income requirements are much higher in the UK than you need in Thailand.

        Just something for people to keep in mind when reading these kind of threads. People from all over the world. "Making it" in one country could be homelessness in another.
        First, I'm not in Thailand.
        Second, I am making more than a working class family in UK.
        So what's the problem now?
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  • Profile picture of the author IgniteFeed
    The help of a coach (need not be a guru) is necessary in my opinion. The chance of success in this field is far less then 5% anyways. There are so many landmines, shiny objects to deter a newbie. I'd find myself highly distracted at the minimum.
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  • Profile picture of the author gluckspilz
    The concept of MMO is very simple...

    1. You have an offer.
    2. You send visitors to that offer
    3. Convert them into leads/buyers
    4. $$$

    Now that's NOT to say that it is easy.

    Just the concept behind it is simple.

    Now here is the dumbest shit ever...

    I get on Skype with few people asking for help every now and then and the question I usually ask is "Do you know how to make money online?"

    Believe it or not... most of the answer is "No idea" even though most of them have been buying products and dabbing for a few months.

    WTF???!?!?!?!?!

    Yes, there are millions of products from WSO, Clickbank, JVZoo etc etc about MMO and even though they all teach different strategies, some are junk or whatever.. The concept is selling products..

    Honestly, for anyone who are "Struggling" to make it online.

    Sit back and ask yourself.

    "How do I get this offer in front of people who are willing to buy or convert into leads"

    Then... Learn how to look for that audience through different traffic platforms like FB, BING, Media Buy etc..

    Not converting?

    Sure thing, it happens to freaken EVERYONE, even big time marketers...

    Don't stress because the next step is to LEARN how to increase conversion rate.

    and so on and so on and so on...

    Here is what I'm trying to say...

    Most people have the mindset that MMO is HARD or that you need some sort of INSIDER information.

    NO, YOU DON'T! (Yes, I'm frustrated, lol)

    Let's take Alex Jeffrey for example as mention by the OP.

    I'm not a student of his but I know he is a big time successful marketer...

    Instead of asking if you need coaching from him.

    Ask yourself, what is he doing to make the income he is making?

    The answer is.... Product launches.

    And of course, his coaching will provide assistant, support and so on so that his student can launch their products BUT if you REALLY wanted to.

    Can you go out there and study yourself on how to launch your own product?

    Rant over...

    Moral of this long and boring post.

    If you REALLY want to succeed, you will.
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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    A lot of "coaches" are unqualified to teach others, and give horrible advice.
    Sometimes NOT listening to them is your best bet.
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    • Profile picture of the author Samuel Adams
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      A lot of "coaches" are unqualified to teach others, and give horrible advice.
      Sometimes NOT listening to them is your best bet.
      Hopefully, this would not be true of a paid coach. Though I understand what you are saying as some 'role models' we adopt online as our coaches are not really worth listening to. It's good to be able to tell the difference between a truly person and one just trying to sell an info product.
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  • Profile picture of the author ACandi
    Originally Posted by Ron C Farrow View Post

    So here is where I am coming from. Nearly 2 years ago I bought a course that promised me a new life as an Affiliate Marketer using Social Media to build a list. A year later I had a small utterly unresponsive list that refused to grow.

    Would like to know. Am I p<##ing in the wind or can I make it alone?
    Again the answer to your first question is false.

    Based on your personal experience quoted above, you seem to be losing faith in your ability to make it on your own, but can't afford the price tag of a top quality coach.

    The good news for you is that there is an affordable training programme that also gives access to a proven successful online marketing system.

    You can get into a joint venture (JV) partnership that can give you the results of the coaching programme you could not afford.

    It was such a JV partnership that made a huge difference to my online marketing success.

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    • Profile picture of the author desbravador
      Its quite possible to be successful in Internet Marketing without a coach, but have a coach would help you to reach it faster and will make your life easier. I've tried Eben Pagans programs to help me out, his programs help out in getting the right mindset and is always full of new strategies
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  • Profile picture of the author Monja
    You can make it alone - it's just easier with help. Not anyone will take a fortune from you to help you out.
    Have you ever followed through a course?
    I have created a course to get people started (see my signature) but I see many drop out after a few lections. They even have the possibility to send me questions but they hardly do - why? I mean nobody will serve you success on a silver plate.
    To "make it" you will need someone who is able to make her living online - no more.
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  • Profile picture of the author ellakatie94
    Your title is " Is it possible to make it in IM without coaching?" Its answer is Of course. Is is possible without any Coaching. There is no doubt about it. You can learn many things by yourself by practicing or, you can see many youtube videos or, search engine search. Even I have learn many thing from these sector. I did not join any coaching program. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Simple answer - YES - you can make it alone.

    I did!

    However, and here is the truth in my opinion < if that makes sense

    I would of paid top dollar when getting started to someone like myself now - it would of saved me, maybe not all, but A LOT of the mistakes i made.

    Unfortunately, as they say experience is the best teacher but it has been a long ride.

    If i were starting again, as long as the coach was legit and knew what they were doing i would of gone for a coach.

    All the best,

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  • Profile picture of the author svetod
    Yes, you can make it without a paid coach.
    There is so much free available information online, where you can learn from.
    I've mastered CPL over the years and have some products that convert really well, you can PM me if you're interested in trying that.

    Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Trujillo
    You don't NEED a coach, but a coach is for sure a good investment if you select the right one. You can spend a lot of time , effort and money going no where if you lack a direction. It's always best to get a solid direction from one reputable person, than take the advice of a million different people. When you work with somebody that has been in the same industry as you successfully than that trims a lot of the trial and error you have on your own. There is no easy way for this to work. In order to make money online you must fist of all put in the work and effort. There is no silver button no matter if you have a coach or not. It takes work that's the bottom line, but why not shorten the learning curve and perfect your business in an accelerated fashion if you have the chance? Michael Jordan had a coach, even though Michael was talented on his own. A coach will take you a long ways.But that's with hard work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris_Custer
    I think your odds go up significantly if you have coaching. It doesn't have to be a "top name". Just someone who's doing - and having success - doing what you want to do. A good coach can help you focus on a specific strategy and keep you motivated.

    Plus, you can meet others through coaching that opens great networking opportunities.

    I know that before I got a coach I was making almost nothing after years of going it alone. After I got a coach, I made enough to buy a new house in about 6 weeks.

    Everyone's experience is different, but I personally think that the right coach is absolutely worth the investment. My 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Wilkinson
    You don't need a coach in the traditional sense. But it is always beneficial to learn key insights and strategies from people that have expertise and genuinely know what they are talking about (although it can be hard to decipher the good from the average).

    Let me ask you something though... What do you think is holding you back? What do you think someone like Alex Jeffreys would help you with?

    Is it strategies? Is it the feeling of certainty that taking action will produce results? Accountability? What is is that you feel you need from a coach in order to move forward?
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    • Profile picture of the author Gifted Jay
      It is possible to make it in IM without a coach my friend, but it might take you a longer time to get to where you want to. With the help of a coach, mistake are minimized. Its always better working with a coach if you can afford one.
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      • Profile picture of the author Brett Hitchcock
        You can make it without one of course. In my experience I have learned most of my skills through good old trial and error.

        It may sound like common sense however I have learned stuff I didn't know from people who did know more than me. It is a basic premise that you can't know it all nor should you expect yourself to either.

        I will say be careful of who you choose as there are some unscrupulous people out there who will put you on a path that takes 6 months to complete and expect you to keep paying them $5,000 a month until its done.

        Make sure you can complete your project and start earning before the coaching time runs out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron C Farrow
      Originally Posted by Rory Wilkinson View Post

      You don't need a coach in the traditional sense. But it is always beneficial to learn key insights and strategies from people that have expertise and genuinely know what they are talking about (although it can be hard to decipher the good from the average).

      Let me ask you something though... What do you think is holding you back? What do you think someone like Alex Jeffreys would help you with?

      Is it strategies? Is it the feeling of certainty that taking action will produce results? Accountability? What is is that you feel you need from a coach in order to move forward?
      I think Rory makes a valid point, "feeling of certainty that taking action will produce results".

      Case study; On advice from a 'Coach' I collected 3,000 emails from Linkedin members (its not hard to do) then spent a day entering them in an autoresponder and... guess what? Open rate nil, autoresponder account closed!

      I know it sounds a crazy thing to do but if you know no better its easy to be misled into something that stupid.

      The result is that you begin to doubt that anything will work, doubt our own judgement and just 'taking action' is not enough.
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  • Yes it is possible just like it is possible to drive a car without lessons. you will crash the car but driving it is possible. I believe all new skills have to be learnt, so having a coach will save you time and money so why waste that when they have already made the mistakes and wasted their money on what doesn't work to find what does.

    All these people here so say they made it without one never say how much time and money they wasted going it alone? I wonder why?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Sarlo
    Originally Posted by Ron C Farrow View Post

    The opinions of most of the long time, been-there-and-done-it Warriors seems to be that without coaching from a top name in the IM community a newby has no chance of success.

    True or false?
    False, because it has actually been proven false.

    A mentor can help you however immensely, mentors aren't just for Internet Marketers, even sport players have coaches and personal mentors.

    With mentoring you have to find someone you trust & like. However it seems you don't have a clue which method you're going to use to make money online. First figure that out, then find a mentor to specifically help you with that.

    Tip: Try to build your own business selling your own products (rather then some weird affiliate scheme or make money fast formula).
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  • Profile picture of the author ronny89
    You could make it online without a coach by trial and error. But this cost you money and time. So I would say it is recommended to have a mentor, a person which was successful online and knows very well what are the errors you need to avoid and what you need to do to be on the right path on making a full time income online. A mentor also cost you money but at least you know that you do the right things for creating a sustainable business online. But you need a good mentor of course.
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  • Profile picture of the author surfer30
    I Believe that Coaching is required in IM and any other fields. if you wanna be the best go to the best
    if you wanna be a doctor go to the perfect universities. go to the person who walks the walk.

    and buy IM products online the more products you buy and read the better you lean and become. Alaways learn from the best there big gurus online you can ask each one and how much they charge to see their bills and see who fits your coaching budget.

    so that you can save time and Money. and they will also teach you how to start a profitable campaign which is the most important thing. they have made mistakes and spent hours online. so they will teach you what works
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  • Profile picture of the author MusicMinCoach
    I'm glad I ran across this discussion, because I'm at a place in my own journey where I'm beginning to think I've hit a wall that I need some kind of mentoring to break through. See, I'm a bit different than most newbies in that I started out almost right away creating my own products and building a list. And I've actually made some money. Not a lot, about $7000 last year from sales of 3 products I created.

    Everything I have in place I've figured out on my own, and everything I read says what I'm doing is exactly what I SHOULD be doing to be successful. Even when successful people from here go by and take a peek they tell me "you're doing a lot of stuff right, you're very close." One guy said "you're about as close to being successful as someone can be without actually being successful", lol!.

    So I'm starting to think I've reached a point where I need another set of eyes, or a set of skills that is beyond what I have now. Because if I'm doing a lot of stuff right yet still missing the mark, then it must be simple things that need tweaking on some level I just don't understand or I'm not able to figure out.

    And the danger with being in a place like that is you start to spend money on products and WSO's looking for the answer. " Well, it must be my sales page, so let me buy this magic sales page generator that gurantees higher conversions." Or "it must be my funnel so let me by the latest magic funnel machine". Or maybe I'm just not generating enough traffic, so let me buy some traffic product.
    Or gee, I have this great, engaged following on my fan page but I don't generate enough sales from there, so let me buy this facebook advertising coaching program.

    See what I mean? And the more you read the more conflicting stuff you find, until you're just not sure what direction to go even though you're right there. People have said "well if you're making sales, then just scale up!" But I've found it isn't as simple as that. The last FB campaign I ran failed to convert more than I spent, so I stopped it.

    Yet the ultimate catch-22 is to be in a place where I am; making "some" money, with a lot figured out, but not making enough to hire a good mentor to go to the next level. So I definitely think for me a coach or mentor would break me right through, and quickly. It's just finding a way to earn the money. But I'd do it in a heartbeat otherwise because for me, it just seems like the next logical step.
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    • Profile picture of the author collison
      Have a look at Perry Marshall's site, and stuff. He is good at taking people to the next level, I don't think he does personal masterminds, and if he does they are very expensive. But you still pick up great tips from his products and and website!
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    • Profile picture of the author djtrillian
      Originally Posted by MusicMinCoach View Post

      See what I mean? And the more you read the more conflicting stuff you find, until you're just not sure what direction to go even though you're right there. People have said "well if you're making sales, then just scale up!" But I've found it isn't as simple as that. The last FB campaign I ran failed to convert more than I spent, so I stopped it.

      Yet the ultimate catch-22 is to be in a place where I am; making "some" money, with a lot figured out, but not making enough to hire a good mentor to go to the next level. So I definitely think for me a coach or mentor would break me right through, and quickly. It's just finding a way to earn the money. But I'd do it in a heartbeat otherwise because for me, it just seems like the next logical step.
      I am in the same boat with the company I work for. We're a small company in the natural health industry and we have been chugging along now for something like 15 years and our growth has stagnated (well we took a bit of a nosedive due to the recession and had to scale back and since then it has been level).

      A lot of our business is word of mouth but that's the slow boat to China and no way I know of to scale up. I have looked into SEO, researched things like going onto Amazon, buying lists, etc. We have a FB group and a few pages, a twitter feed, videos, do weekly newsletters, all the usual stuff. I'm trying to find ways to grow the business back to where we were before the recession but now find it a bit bewildering as to what action to take.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    IMO it is possible. Many people made it in IM/AM without training or coaching. But, I strongly feel that coaching and training will increase the persons chance of success and the time and money it takes to become successful
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    A coach is not for a newbie starting out, if you cant get started at all a coach will serve no purpose.

    A coach is where you turn too, once your started and cant seem to get past a certain point, a coach is about getting you over blocking points, not about teaching you to get started.

    Hopefully I explained that properly
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    • Profile picture of the author MusicMinCoach
      Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

      A coach is not for a newbie starting out, if you cant get started at all a coach will serve no purpose.

      A coach is where you turn too, once your started and cant seem to get past a certain point, a coach is about getting you over blocking points, not about teaching you to get started.

      Hopefully I explained that properly
      Perfectly! And it confirms for me at least that I'm right in my thinking. Thanks Robert.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Is it possible to get from New York to California without flying?

    Of course!

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  • Profile picture of the author MusicMinCoach
    Thanks iarslankhan, I was looking for a cute date night outfit. You've been reported.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert X
    Whether it be a coach or not, there's one thing that is a must in every top dogs handbook, And that one thing is a good funnel system. Sure that's a general statement, but it goes like this:

    Find a Hungry Market 1st!
    Find or create a GREAT offer for the hungry market. (See what top books are selling On Amazon and find an offer in that niche. It can be any niche. IM ain't the best when starting out, That's why so many fail.)
    Send that hungry market through a Great Funnel System.
    Give!
    And then give more...
    and then give more!
    Todays marketing and future marketing is all about giving. Try it. And it's all about pulling folks to your offer with magnetic marketing and not smothering people by "pushing' product on them.

    Again, coach or no coach, it's about finding a hungry market, putting a "targeted" offer in front of that hungry, targeted crowd, at exactly the right time.

    Does that make sense?

    IM is really a simple process and people seem to complicate it. Do your research and get going. Don't just do "anything" without a plan. If you want to get started fast and do it right (or as fast as possible) Do your research about the market 1st. There's no point in wasting time trying to sell an offer when people are not interested in it.

    5000 searches of EXACT search in keyword planner is a good start.

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  • Profile picture of the author CyberQuill
    Your success in IM - without a coach - depends on your personality and existing skills.

    Coaches come in all shapes, sizes and price brackets. You might not need an expensive guru. Maybe you just need someone to answer questions and provide basic guidance.

    My coach realigns my thought patterns and saves me days of frustration.

    You might be able to work through problems on your own and never become overwhelmed with the floods of messages that create distractions. My mind wanders too much to be able to accomplish that on my own.

    Warriors are great for bringing me back to reality and keeping me encouraged.

    I wish you all the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Fortune
    EVERYONE started from somewhere.

    So, You can do it and everyone can do anything he wants.

    But the results will not be the same to all.

    And if someone helps you and give you tips of the work, it will take less time to have results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andreas Quintana
    I believe that its possible to be successful without coaching. If you have a good amount of self disciplin and are able to stick to a method until it works for you without bouncing around from one shiny object to the next, then yes.

    A good mentor is there to help you stay focussed and keep you on track to success. If you can do it on your own, then you will definately succeed.

    I personally had a mentor at some point, because I felt that I needed one. Not necessarily for the guidance, but for myself, as a commitment to my success in IM.Simply putting down 2K and commiting to succeeding was a big point for me. It was when I decided that I would go FULL TIME with my online earning endevours.

    So yes, I do think that you can make it without coaching. Everyone has the ability to educate themself and learn the skills needed to make a full time income online
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  • Profile picture of the author NickNimmin
    Coaches can help in many ways. They can speed up the time it takes to learn how to do things. They can help you with incorrect assumptions someone might have based on lack of experience. They can connect you with other successful marketers they have worked with along the way...which can be huge by itself. They also take out the guess work on a lot of things. Think of them like a lifeline in who wants to be a millionaire. Sometimes you can guess and get it right. Sometimes a phone call can be the difference in hitting the jackpot.

    With anything you do you're going to pay for it. Time or money. It's just deciding which one is the most important for what you're trying to accomplish.

    Also, with anything, even coaching won't guarantee success. As they say, you can lead a man to knowledge but you can't make him think.
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    • Profile picture of the author djtrillian
      I agree with the previous answers, in a nutshell that yes you can make it without a coach. But that a real coach might be a great thing.... if you can find one.

      I see lots of 'gurus' but no coaches. I would imagine a true IM coach exists but I have yet to see one. What I see are lots of people out there touting themselves as experts and going to great lengths to show how much money they have made, showing their various so-called 'proofs' of all this massive income and how they have something exclusive and latest and greatest etc. Then they want $1497.00 for it (or three easy payments :-).

      So what you get is access to a membership site with a whole bunch of videos. What happens if you don't / cant watch them? nothing. What happens if you don't follow the steps? nothing. As long as you paid the entry fee the person selling the course couldn't care less what you do afterwards. That's not coaching, that's not being a 'coach' at all. Coaches make sure their clients DO things, (including showing up to be coached), they make sure things happen and then steer them on the right path. They find out the students weak areas to work on, etc.

      Imagine the coach of a football team and none of the players show up one day for practise. Imagine the owner of the team shows up and sees the so-called coach sitting in his office watching TV. How long do you think that 'coach' will keep his job?

      Imagine you hire a personal trainer to motivate you and get you in shape, you want them to (politely) kick your ass and get you to make changes. NOT to cut you a mile of slack and let you hang onto your bad habits, that's not coaching. Your friends say "hey how's that personal trainer you hired? "oh he lets me eat all the cookies I want and doesn't nag me if I don't show up, I just pay him his fee and never hear from him"

      A real coach would start by asking YOU a whole bunch of questions to find out what you need help with, have you ever seen any of these IM gurus do that? I never have. Anyway, the point being that 99.9% of these so called coaching programs are not anything of the sort, they don't know what a coach is.
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