What is more Lucrative..Online Marketing or a Highly Paid Professional Job?

Banned 9 years ago

Lawyer or Banker, hands down! No question. No contest. I would advise my children to be web savvy and understand digital media. Because once they're an investment banker or a Lawyer, they can leverage their skills and understanding of digital publishing to make even more money through digital assets and intellectual property. It's all about options, skills, and assets.

Unless you're a programmer, then you pretty much do both anyway. Work for a large company and build cool stuff on the side. Why? Because you can.

It beats the majority of people who sell dreams or waste time filling the net with junk no one wants because they're following a super duper system that makes 0 dollars and they don't know any better because they're noobs. lol

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Kay King

9 years ago

I just feel a few big fish in the online marketing world make the big bucks and the majority of us struggle or make a very average income which would be even higher if we were in a real job and MUCH HIGHER if we were in a highly skilled professional paid job like I was.

Most here will argue with you - but I think you are exactly right.

When you quit your professional job - was it because you were earning just as much online? Probably not. You bought the "dream" of work less/earn more, the dream of freedom to do what you want, easy money, blah blah.

There a reason it's called an "IM dream" rather than a reality. The money is there but it's not the easy ride many believe or expect. "Easy and flexible" do not equal success in any business I've ever seen....and IM is no different.

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JensSteyaert

9 years ago

That's really the wrong question to ask imo...

The real question you should ask yourself is which job makes you the happiest. And that's exactly what i would tell my children even if they choose something which earns 10 times less.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer

Is it really possible to make the salary and bonus of a lawyer or investment banker in online marketing?

Yes, but the proportion of online marketers who ever achieve that must be absolutely tiny, I'm guessing.

And "guessing" is all one can do, arguably, because there aren't any officially, centrally collated figures for IM earnings. (How could there be?).

Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer

Would you tell your children to be a lawyer/banker or pursue online marketing at home?

Neither ... it would be entirely up to them. (I'd encourage them strongly to graduate from university, though, even if intending to pursue online marketing at home: without having done so, myself, I believe my own IM income would be far smaller than it is).

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SnackMemory

9 years ago

you can likely earn the same as both... depending on how good you are at both.

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10kaday

9 years ago

It depends both there is outlier and underchaeveirs.

It depends on the perosn

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Brett Hitchcock 9 years ago

I think this is something that people will be on both sides with depending on your personal position.
Personally I could think of nothing worse than being owned by a corporation or even if it was my business as a lawyer for example I would still be owned to some extent by my clients.

Nothing wrong with serving clients and in that sense I actually bend over backwards to over deliver however some do want to own you in an unreasonable way.

I did offline marketing for many years and I turned to online methods because I realized I was selling concepts to people who just didn't want to actually work on there business or know or see the value in marketing.
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Tom Addams

9 years ago

On average? A professional job, of course.

The trick is not to be average.

GRM

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XponentSYS

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Get Rich Methods

On average? A professional job, of course.

The trick is not to be average.

GRM

I think GRM has it. The most an average person will earn is an average income. If one wants an average life..... strive to be average.

The good news is, most everyone else is busy being average so it's really not hard to be above average at all. I earn well above average income because, I believe, of this philosophy.

I work about 60 hours a week but that's because I choose to.

The whole "kids in university thing".......

It's not so much relevant but I'll chime in because I have a stance on the issue. She's going because I did. Education and the experience gained from it have value FAR beyond just "getting a job".

Since I have the means to pay for it, she goes and she knows it's expected.

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Tom Addams

9 years ago

Originally Posted by XponentSYS

I think GRM has it. The most an average person will earn is an average income. If one wants an average life..... strive to be average.

The good news is, most everyone else is busy being average so it's really not hard to be above average at all. I earn well above average income because, I believe, of this philosophy.

I work about 60 hours a week but that's because I choose to.

The whole "kids in university thing".......

It's not so much relevant but I'll chime in because I have a stance on the issue. She's going because I did. Education and the experience gained from it have value FAR beyond just "getting a job".

Since I have the means to pay for it, she goes and she knows it's expected.

Thank you, George.

I agree with everything you say, but will chime in on the passage in bold.

Both of my daughters are intent on heading to university and I couldn't be happier about it. I studied for several years - business, law, economics - and while I use very little of the information in my day-to-day life, the impact of education has helped to shape me in a positive way. And not only that. The experiences shaped me: the friendships, the shared experiences, the assignment deadlines, the nights out, everything. I think any hard-working, intelligent soul can make it in IM, but I would still want my daughters to have the university experience. It can't hurt, as they say.

GRM

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JohnMcCabe

9 years ago

Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer

Do people really make $50K a month blogging and is the market big enough for so many people to make $50K a month? My issue with IM is you get sold the "IM Dream..of easily making $20,000 a month....anyone can do it!" but I really don't believe that. I don't think the market is big enough for anyone to easily make $20,000 a month...what really amuses me is all these IM coaches and WSOs which teach people a trick, gimmick or system to make $10,000 a month or six-figures a year....how will that system or trick remain profitable if everyone is doing the same thing? It will shrink the size of the market. Isn't it the same with making $50K a month blogging?

It sounds like you have your answer. Get your old job back, ASAP and forget this (for you, at least) IM nonsense. Call off the pity party and get back to work.

Henry Ford is credited with saying, "You either believe you can or you believe you cannot; either way you are correct."

You obviously don't believe you can do it, yet you're clinging to a pipe dream of the "Internet Lifestyle" and looking to people on a forum to pat you on the head and tell you to keep going, you can do it, blah, blah, blah. Either that, or you're looking for the same pat on the head and commiseration that it's all a pack of lies, and therefore not your fault.

It is your fault. Now either shit or get off the pot...

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Tom Addams

9 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

It sounds like you have your answer. Get your old job back, ASAP and forget this (for you, at least) IM nonsense. Call off the pity party and get back to work.

Henry Ford is credited with saying, "You either believe you can or you believe you cannot; either way you are correct."

You obviously don't believe you can do it, yet you're clinging to a pipe dream of the "Internet Lifestyle" and looking to people on a forum to pat you on the head and tell you to keep going, you can do it, blah, blah, blah. Either that, or you're looking for the same pat on the head and commiseration that it's all a pack of lies, and therefore not your fault.

It is your fault. Now either shit or get off the pot...

Now that's a reply.

Probably not what you want to hear, OP, but John's nailed it I think.

GRM

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XponentSYS

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Get Rich Methods

Thank you, George.

I agree with everything you say, but will chime in on the passage in bold.

Both of my daughters are intent on heading to university and I couldn't be happier about it. I studied for several years - business, law, economics - and while I use very little of the information in my day-to-day life, the impact of education has helped to shape me in a positive way. And not only that. The experiences shaped me: the friendships, the shared experiences, the assignment deadlines, the nights out, everything. I think any hard-working, intelligent soul can make it in IM, but I would still want my daughters to have the university experience. It can't hurt, as they say.

GRM

That's what I meant...... so we agree. I'm not George, I'm Ben, lol

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Tom Addams 9 years ago

Originally Posted by XponentSYS

That's what I meant...... so we agree. I'm not George, I'm Ben, lol

Oops, sorry about that, Ben. Was a long day yesterday! LOL

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10kaday

9 years ago

the average internet marketer is making 0 dollars or just a few hundred in all the time online

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jasondinner

9 years ago

Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer

I am asking because once upon a time I had a highly paid professional job and I left it to pursue online marketing full-time and the results have been nothing to as close as to when I was in the corporate world. I am making a fraction of what I used to make and some months I make nothing or incur losses.

This was your biggest mistake.

Why the hell would you give up your "highly paid" professional job to pursue online marketing full time?

You should have never given up that job.

What you should have done is pursue online marketing WHILE KEEPING your high paying job.

This way you don't end up where you are now where your results "have been nothing to as close as to when I was in the corporate world. I am making a fraction of what I used to make and some months I make nothing or incur losses."

You should have held on to your job until you were able to match (or surpass) and sustain your job's income for at least 3 months (ideally 6).

I make more than many investment bankers and lawyers and i sit around at home all day hanging out with my wife and kids.

Lawyers and investment bankers who make $20K+ per month most likely work AT LEAST 50 hours a week and add commuting time and it's more like 60-70.

I choose online marketing all day.

But at the same time I was one of the small percentage who was able to figure it out.

One thing I can assure you was it didn't happen overnight and I didn't ever quit my job. However when I did finally get myself fired, I was making 4-5x what I was making at the job.

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jasondinner

9 years ago

Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer

I just feel a few big fish in the online marketing world make the big bucks and the majority of us struggle or make a very average income which would be even higher if we were in a real job and MUCH HIGHER if we were in a highly skilled professional paid job like I was.

I would venture to say that a few big fish in the invesment banking and legal world make the big bucks while the majority struggle or make very average income.

With respect to people making the big bucks in the online world, it's a very small percentage but a lot more people than you are leading yourself to believe.

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jasondinner

9 years ago

Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer

Would you tell your children to be a lawyer/banker or pursue online marketing at home?

I would tell them to do whatever they want. But my example alone may indirectly influence them to want to do something similar to what I do.

When they get older all they will remember is me being around all day while most of their friend's daddies (and mommies for the most part) were at work all day.

Think of what kind of impact that can have on them.

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jasondinner

9 years ago

You should put your tail between your legs and try to get your old job back or something similar to it.

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jgant

9 years ago

I worked in a profession which I enjoyed but liked IM more. I did both for three years (had no life) and was forced to ultimately choose one when my IM income surpassed my professional salary.

I actually got into IM because the firm I worked with needed an online presence and I was tasked hiring a company and getting it going. I learned all about SEO and conversion etc. for an offline biz and then started my own niche sites on the side. I hired an expensive outfit for our site and marketing... It didn't take me long to realize the owner of that marketing company was making more than 99% of lawyers.

If you have a professional background, consider leveraging that experience and knowledge online in some fashion. Law and investing can be very lucrative niches, whether you offer online marketing services or operate an info blog in the niche.

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jasondinner 9 years ago

Originally Posted by jgant

I did both for three years (had no life) and was forced to ultimately choose one when my IM income surpassed my professional salary.

This is where he went right and OP went wrong.
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positivenegative

9 years ago

Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer

What makes more money a highly paid professional job as a lawyer or investment banker where you have a salary of $20,000+ a month plus bonus or online marketing?

I am asking because once upon a time I had a highly paid professional job and I left it to pursue online marketing full-time and the results have been nothing to as close as to when I was in the corporate world. I am making a fraction of what I used to make and some months I make nothing or incur losses.

Hi Mark,

Well, firstly, sorry to have to call you out (my third one tonight).

You're bemoaning the fact that you've left your highly paid $20k a month banking job and haven't cut it in the IM world . . . . yet a recent WSO of yours claimed . . .

http://www.warriorforum.com/wanted-m...000-month.html

So, if that was "rinsed and repeated" a solitary time, you would then be earning the equivalent of your previous $20k a month banking salary. Wrong? Right?

Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer

I am making so much less than when I was in the corporate world.

Well man up and stop bullshitting yourself and others. Either return to your corporate utopia, or do something about your IM dilemma - change direction and follow the blog route to $50k a month. You sound an intelligent guy who has unfortunately been kidding himself about the realities of the online world.

Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer

Would you tell your children to be a lawyer/banker or pursue online marketing at home?

I tell my children to follow their dream - not someone else's.

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marktheonlinesurfer

9 years ago

Well man up and stop bullshitting yourself and others. Either return to your corporate utopia, or do something about your IM dilemma - change direction and follow the blog route to $50k a month. You sound an intelligent guy who has unfortunately been kidding himself about the realities of the online world.

I tell my children to follow their dream - not someone else's.[/QUOTE]

Do people really make $50K a month blogging and is the market big enough for so many people to make $50K a month? My issue with IM is you get sold the "IM Dream..of easily making $20,000 a month....anyone can do it!" but I really don't believe that. I don't think the market is big enough for anyone to easily make $20,000 a month...what really amuses me is all these IM coaches and WSOs which teach people a trick, gimmick or system to make $10,000 a month or six-figures a year....how will that system or trick remain profitable if everyone is doing the same thing? It will shrink the size of the market. Isn't it the same with making $50K a month blogging?

I appreciate everyone's comments and feedback. This is turning into an interesting thread and is very useful. My big mistake is I left my professional paying job to pursue the IM dream full-time which ended up a disaster for me. I lost faith in the IM market. If you want to make the big bucks in this industry (meaning $20K plus a month CONSISTENTLY) you will struggle as a newbie or even a more veteran IMer..you have so much competition as the IM market has become extremely saturated and because there are low barriers to entry (just like being easily able to release a WSO and no professional qualification needed) the market size is shrinking by the day.

I do see some value in offering some type of professional IM service like coaching, SEO, PPC management, etc...but that will be the same hours or more as a professional paying job as you will have to win clients and deal with clients and will face a lot of stiff competition. I just feel too many people in this market are doing the same exact thing (list-building, affiliate marketing, CPA, WSOs, niche ebooks and products) and using the same exact traffic sources (PPC, Facebook, Social Media, SEO) and people are selling/promoting systems that teach the same exact thing (with spins)....I just personally find it hard to believe to be able to consistently make $20K a month in this market and have it secure like a professional paying job for the next 10,20 or 30 years...I feel your earnings will fluctuate and it can be stressful for financial planning.

Also I find the sales letter very misleading and unethical in this industry! It is all about hype and selling the dream!

I was an idiot to fall for "Work a few hours a week and live the internet dream lifestyle making $20K a month...it is EASY...anyone can do it!! It's not even real work it's FUN!

It has been nothing but easy and it hasn't been fun losing that secure pay check I once had and putting in the same hours for making a lot less.

What should have been sold if it the marketing was ethical was "You might be able to make six-figures a year in internet marketing if you are lucky...but it is going to be unlikely and VERY DIFFICULT...you are entering into an over-saturated market with a lot of competition (due to low barriers of entry)...the pie is shrinking everyday and everybody wants a piece of it...you will learn the exact same tactics that everyone else is doing and probably have to spend money on coaching and mentoring and after all your time and investment you most likely will make a couple hundred dollars or even a couple thousand dollars a month if you are lucky and carved a niche for yourself....you will be working VERY HARD like you would in a professional job for an uncertain future that most likely will not make you six-figures a year...if you wanted to make six-figures a year guaranteed and sleep well knowing you have a consistent income then get a PROFESSIONAL PAYING JOB!"

What are your thoughts?

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pauljones99

9 years ago

But you see you want to run a business but also want a paycheck..and a big one at that. Since when has any business been so consistent? i can make $500k one year AND ZILCHG THE YEAR AFTER. iN FACT I CAN BE - SOME YEARS. Man up. You want a paycheck go back to your job. That sounds good. less stress and more consistentcy. If you want to run a real business and not some pie in the sky B*S* I.M dream, then welcome to ups and downs.

Well man up and stop bullshitting yourself and others. Either return to your corporate utopia, or do something about your IM dilemma - change direction and follow the blog route to $50k a month. You sound an intelligent guy who has unfortunately been kidding himself about the realities of the online world.

I tell my children to follow their dream - not someone else's.

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Do people really make $50K a month blogging and is the market big enough for so many people to make $50K a month? My issue with IM is you get sold the "IM Dream..of easily making $20,000 a month....anyone can do it!" but I really don't believe that. I don't think the market is big enough for anyone to easily make $20,000 a month...what really amuses me is all these IM coaches and WSOs which teach people a trick, gimmick or system to make $10,000 a month or six-figures a year....how will that system or trick remain profitable if everyone is doing the same thing? It will shrink the size of the market. Isn't it the same with making $50K a month blogging?

I appreciate everyone's comments and feedback. This is turning into an interesting thread and is very useful. My big mistake is I left my professional paying job to pursue the IM dream full-time which ended up a disaster for me. I lost faith in the IM market. If you want to make the big bucks in this industry (meaning $20K plus a month CONSISTENTLY) you will struggle as a newbie or even a more veteran IMer..you have so much competition as the IM market has become extremely saturated and because there are low barriers to entry (just like being easily able to release a WSO and no professional qualification needed) the market size is shrinking by the day.

I do see some value in offering some type of professional IM service like coaching, SEO, PPC management, etc...but that will be the same hours or more as a professional paying job as you will have to win clients and deal with clients and will face a lot of stiff competition. I just feel too many people in this market are doing the same exact thing (list-building, affiliate marketing, CPA, WSOs, niche ebooks and products) and using the same exact traffic sources (PPC, Facebook, Social Media, SEO) and people are selling/promoting systems that teach the same exact thing (with spins)....I just personally find it hard to believe to be able to consistently make $20K a month in this market and have it secure like a professional paying job for the next 10,20 or 30 years...I feel your earnings will fluctuate and it can be stressful for financial planning.

Also I find the sales letter very misleading and unethical in this industry! It is all about hype and selling the dream!

I was an idiot to fall for "Work a few hours a week and live the internet dream lifestyle making $20K a month...it is EASY...anyone can do it!! It's not even real work it's FUN!

It has been nothing but easy and it hasn't been fun losing that secure pay check I once had and putting in the same hours for making a lot less.

What should have been sold if it the marketing was ethical was "You might be able to make six-figures a year in internet marketing if you are lucky...but it is going to be unlikely and VERY DIFFICULT...you are entering into an over-saturated market with a lot of competition (due to low barriers of entry)...the pie is shrinking everyday and everybody wants a piece of it...you will learn the exact same tactics that everyone else is doing and probably have to spend money on coaching and mentoring and after all your time and investment you most likely will make a couple hundred dollars or even a couple thousand dollars a month if you are lucky and carved a niche for yourself....you will be working VERY HARD like you would in a professional job for an uncertain future that most likely will not make you six-figures a year...if you wanted to make six-figures a year guaranteed and sleep well knowing you have a consistent income then get a PROFESSIONAL PAYING JOB!"

What are your thoughts?[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

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adamslater

9 years ago

Hello marktheonlinesurfer! I must admit that I once experienced the same thing as your situation right now. Well, it would still depend on your skills. Are you more proficient in doing online marketing than the other? Its like putting it on majoring system. Some people take online marketing as part-time jobs, majoring on their present professional job and minoring in online marketing. Or you can do as vice versa. More than everything, I would agree with JensSteyaert, do what makes you happy. But what I did on my situation was, I put up my own business - yes, I still do online marketing while managing my small business. That makes me a happy person.

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yougpeter

9 years ago

It depends on your mindset.If your mind and you is born to be worker 9:00:5:00 rat race runner then you need to work regular job.I say regular because it don't matter if you are worker in bank or cleaning streets.

If you have entrepreneur mindset then you work till you have freedom without asking those questions.I am not saying it is easy but everyone with discipline and dedication can do it.

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spearce000

9 years ago

Originally Posted by yougpeter

If you have entrepreneur mindset then you work till you have freedom without asking those questions.I am not saying it is easy but everyone with discipline and dedication can do it.

I think that sums it up neatly. If you're a lawyer or an investment banker at heart, you'll NEVER be happy doing anything else, no matter how much it pays. If you like the structure of a corporate job, the freedom of being an entrepreneur will always feel like an alien environment; if you enjoy being told what to do by a boss, making your own decisions (and living with the results, right or wrong) will always scare you; if you enjoy wearing a suit and tie and beginning and ending each day crammed into a packed tube train, working all the hours that God sends slaving away in your home office just isn't for you. There's no shame in that. Being self-employed isn't for everyone.

Go back and get a job in the City. There are plenty available - it's probably the only growth area of our economy at the moment. The fact that you tried something else and didn't like it will probably impress a future employer as you're unlikely to pack it in again, and will probably stick around for a while.

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pauljones99

9 years ago

Seriously .......

iF YOU A PREM FOOTBELLER ON £300K A WEEK I'D STICK TO YOUR DAY JOB.

IF you are toilet cleaner maybe trying anything is better.

You were a high flyer in the corporate world? What doing? And you ask this question?

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9 years ago

Do people really make $50K a month blogging

Do they f***

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Rod Cortez

9 years ago

Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer

What makes more money a highly paid professional job as a lawyer or investment banker where you have a salary of $20,000+ a month plus bonus or online marketing?

It depends on the person. Though I made good money as a professional, I make more money now. However, it came with it price. I worked my ass off for a few years and made a ton of mistakes.

The reality is, many people are not willing to pay that price.

I am asking because once upon a time I had a highly paid professional job and I left it to pursue online marketing full-time and the results have been nothing to as close as to when I was in the corporate world. I am making a fraction of what I used to make and some months I make nothing or incur losses.

I thought the hours would be shorter, I thought I could live a flexible lifestyle...a dream lifestyle...it hasn't been the case for me. The hours are not shorter and the lifestyle is flexible alright but certainly not a dream lifestyle. I am making so much less than when I was in the corporate world.

Is it really possible to make the salary and bonus of a lawyer or investment banker in online marketing? Is the market really big enough? Or was I stupid to leave my lucrative professional career for online marketing which is not as lucrative?

Yes, it's possible, but it's not for everyone. I never advise people to leave their jobs to pursue IM fulltime, it's too much of a financial and personal risk. Was it stupid though? Hard to answer without knowing all the variables.

You took a risk, you took a chance, and it didn't pan out. Now you're at a crossroads on what to do next the way I see it.

I just feel a few big fish in the online marketing world make the big bucks and the majority of us struggle or make a very average income which would be even higher if we were in a real job and MUCH HIGHER if we were in a highly skilled professional paid job like I was.

Would you tell your children to be a lawyer/banker or pursue online marketing at home?

This is also a values / beliefs question. The answer would depend on the individual's value and belief system.

Based on my values / beliefs I would teach my children sound financial planning principles and I would teach them how to be entrepreneurs on top of them getting an education. In other words, I want to give them the tools necessary for them to have so that they can CHOOSE what path they want to take.

If they want to be a lawyer or a doctor, then so be it. If they wanted to be an entrepreneur, a mechanic, whatever, they would have the tools to pursue those avenues.

Starting any business is not for everyone. There are plenty of people making a living online; you just don't hear about them because most online entrepreneurs do not spend time on this forum. That isn't a value judgment, it's just an observation.

You have been a long journey Mark. You've tried a lot of different things. My question back to you is, what have you learned from all this and what can you take away from it?

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focusedlife

9 years ago

See, Hollywood is very much the same way.

Actors don't give up their day time waiter, telemarketing, or stock clerk jobs until they've landed some significant roles.

The same should be true for all of us...UNLESS you have NO choice.

People that have lost their jobs have nothing to go back to.

People that have given up what they had....soon become depressed because they think too much about what they lost.

Now, its harder to see the forest for the trees, but you MUST learn how to parlay your play.

What I mean is you have to earn while you're growing and striving for the next success tier.

Just like saving, you have to do this concurrently.

Earn money, hustle, build equity...every single day.

What if I told you I could show you how to generate $2500 a month GUARANTEED?

The first thing you might think is BULLSHIT!

But a simple search on craigslist shows you there are jobs willing to pay anywhere from $2500 - $7000 (in my local area alone) guaranteed for at least 3 months.

Was it sexy?

No.

Is it true....yup.

But that's not what people want to hear.

Get a job...that's not what they're looking for.

They're looking for the dream.

As a salesman, and a good one, I've learned the most important thing to do is sell the sizzle.

Sell the customer what they want.

Sell them the cure,

The solution.

The dream.

Show how what you offer can do that and you'll get folks to buy from you.

Now, digressing just a little bit, I'll tell ya, your new found, yet unfortunate experience has given you IMMENSE super powers.

You have insight.

Yes, now with hindsight being 20/20, you know for sure what you've lost.

You now have the power to compare and make RAPID decision in the future.

Never again will you give up the cow for a glass of milk.

Now, I'd urge you to start thinking about 80/20...and getting back to prominence.

Remember: Why'd you leave in the first place?

It was to chase pleasure...right?

Now, you're going to run from pain, which means you'lll be more cautious moving forward, but the beauty is....

...You can retrace your prior steps to get you back to where you were to begin with.

Get yourself back to the point by taking any, all and whatever it takes steps necessary to get you back to your prominent stage.

Once you're there...

Parlay your knowledge and grow...WHILE you're still earning.

Build equity in your business, but don't lose the safety net of your current situation (or when you're back to safety).

And know this...

There is no shame in going back to doing what was working because what you've tried didn't work out.

Look at it as a life lesson in hard knocks university.

You ARE better for it.

Get back to what was working, which is simply correcting your course.

You did not fail

You are not dead.

Get back to what you need to in order to make it happen.

I'm right there with you.

Best of luck.

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Los

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salegurus

9 years ago

Originally Posted by yougpeter

I am not saying it is easy but everyone with discipline and dedication can do it.

Complete BS and i wish people would stop spewing out that line...
NO, not everyone can do it.
It's like saying anyone with dedication and discipline can become a brain surgeon...

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Tom Addams 9 years ago

Originally Posted by salegurus

It's like saying anyone with dedication and discipline can become a brain surgeon...

Sorry, salegurus, but you're wrong. I can honestly say, not one of my patients have gone through surgery and complained. Of course, none of them lived, either . . . Thinking about it: you may have a point.

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gluckspilz

9 years ago

Originally Posted by salegurus

Complete BS and i wish people would stop spewing out that line...
NO, not everyone can do it.
It's like saying anyone with dedication and discipline can become a brain surgeon...

Dear sir, are you making money online?

If yes, can you please share with us some of your special super human powers or talents.

Cause as far as I'm concerned, making money online requires selling products. Comparing it to becoming brain surgeon is just silly... don't you think?

Please be nice with your response because I'm sincerely curious. I'm able to quit my job and build an online business and I consider myself an average bloke.

Maybe I am special in a way that I'm not aware of. Who knows? Maybe you can help.

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pauljones99

9 years ago

Originally Posted by salegurus

Complete BS and i wish people would stop spewing out that line...
NO, not everyone can do it.
It's like saying anyone with dedication and discipline can become a brain surgeon...

Spewed out by info sellers when their product didn't do as it said on the tin. To cover their ass.

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itos

9 years ago

This depends too in the country that you live. For the USA an online marketing business that is making you $40.000 per year maybe not that much compared to a high profile job that gives you 100K. But in other countries where the monthly salary is $350 us dollars it would be great compared to a high profile job.

Overall the stability of having a job when you start your internet marketing career is a must. Since you have every months a check with the same amount. If you are starting making both things, having a job and building your internet marketing business is a good choice.

There will be a point where your online business is growing too much and needs more attention form you, if you are earning enough from this you can just drop the job you had and grow that internet business even further. Since I am sure you can make more with Online Marketing than other average jobs.

But overall do what you like and have a passion, since there is a greater chance that you will commit and like the things that you do everyday.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer

What makes more money a highly paid professional job as a lawyer or investment banker where you have a salary of $20,000+ a month plus bonus or online marketing?

In practical terms.... if a job offers me $20,000+ a month, i'm taking it and never worrying about a business ever again. I could stack enough money from that salary to retire within a matter of years. Yeah, online marketing *may* be more lucrative in the long run... but i'm a realist. Offer me $20,000+ a month from a 8-hour job and it's a wrap.

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pauljones99

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Randall Magwood

In practical terms.... if a job offers me $20,000+ a month, i'm taking it and never worrying about a business ever again. I could stack enough money from that salary to retire within a matter of years. Yeah, online marketing *may* be more lucrative in the long run... but i'm a realist. Offer me $20,000+ a month from a 8-hour job and it's a wrap.

The only problem is for such a wage they'l lhave you working 16+ hours a day and 6+ days a week. Usually these positions are legal/finance related.

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collison

9 years ago

I didn't have job which paid a high salary, I got low salary. I am just thankful for the: "Level playing field" that Internet marketing offers me, everyone has an equal chance. And the fact that I live in free society where I allowed to do business. I need nothing else, give me that chance, and I will put in the work to succeed, and am succeeding. Internet marketing offers a second chance to an extent, for people who didn't have an easy background and didn't come through the traditional top university educational routes.

If you have been a success in the educational system and job markets and your skills are in demand, you may not necessarily have the hunger or motivation to put up with the tough times, running your own business. You can get money in easier ways. But for me it's all I know, and all I want.

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Tom Addams

9 years ago

Something just occurred to me...

Imagine a forum for like Warrior Forum, but for brain surgery.

Some Thread Titles:

Newbie Here! What Are The Best Free Tools for a Lobotomy Procedure?

Is it Hard to Remove a Subdural Haematoma?

Where The Best Place to Find Heads to Cut Open?

My Brother Asked Me to Teach Him Brain Surgery? Best Advice to Give Him?

My Wife Says All Men Think With Their Penis! Is That Where The Male Brain Is Located?

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Get Rich Methods

Something just occurred to me...

Imagine a forum for like Warrior Forum, but for brain surgery.

Some Thread Titles:

Newbie Here! What Are The Best Free Tools for a Lobotomy Procedure?

Is it Hard to Remove a Subdural Haematoma?

Where The Best Place to Find Heads to Cut Open?

My Brother Asked Me to Teach Him Brain Surgery? Best Advice to Give Him?

My Wife Says All Men Think With Their Penis! Is That Where The Male Brain Is Located?

GRM

I agree. Some of the questions asked on here are getting ridiculous. They are an emberassment to human kind. I am not impressed with the I.Q. of an "average Joe/Jane" anymore.

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gmarklin

9 years ago

It all depends on what you want . Many people prefer to work for themselves, and that's a gamble. If you don't make it you don't have anything. If you are working for a company, and doing a good job,, you generally have security and benefits.
There is more failures in internet marketing then successes.

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gmarklin

9 years ago

Something to think about, Many people want to have the freedom working for yourself gives them, but there is a risk. If you are not successful, you don't have anything. Working for a company yor have a certain amount of security and, benefits. There are many more failures in internet marketing than there are successes. As far as the money, it you can make $20,000 a month stay in your job!

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JohnMcCabe

9 years ago

Originally Posted by salegurus

Complete BS and i wish people would stop spewing out that line...
NO, not everyone can do it.
It's like saying anyone with dedication and discipline can become a brain surgeon...

Reminds me of an ad I saw on TV the other day...

"If you graduate last in your class in high school, they call you a moron.

If you graduate last in your class in med school, they call you Doctor."

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tyronne78

9 years ago

If I was making good money with my corporate job I definitely wouldn't quit to pursue online marketing full time. I would work my online business on the side until I was making 3X what I was making at my corporate job. If I was making that type of income consistently for 6 months or so then I would consider quitting my JOB.

Now to your original question. Your odds of making more money are definitely better with the corporate job since the potential to move up the corporate ladder is there once you have your foot in the door. Think about the type of money corporate execs make per year plus all of the other perks involved like stock options and things like that. The odds are better with the corporate job. The potential to make more money would be with the online business since you would be an entreprenuer and there would absolutely be NO cap on your earnings.

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tyronne78

9 years ago

It doesn't matter what pays better. That isn't the question you should ask. The question you should ask yourself is what would you enjoy doing with your life that can also pay you an income you can live off of.

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moneymagneto

9 years ago

Well I left the corporate world in my 20's
to do this. I made a life decision and
You need to take it very serious.
The corporate world is very cut- throat
And often not only are the hours brutal
But you will be in a very Machiavellian
Environment. Office politics, stress from
Family, getting fired, etc. I think very
Few people can make it.

Also don't sell garbage online.
You need to focus on your skills hobbies
And something you excel in.

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suip81

9 years ago

Rich people have ONE thing in COMMON: they own businesses. You may treat online marketing as a business. You shouldn't stop there. It will be advisable to progress to a more sustainable business. This will definitely require a lot of efforts and time. Once you've businesses that generate income monthly and steadily, the next big question will be "how do you invest your money." This's one of the key things in business that most people don't have enough education about it. I may suggest you have a look at the Elevation Group. This group has covered comprehensively every aspect of starting a business and the investment strategies that are being implemented by the wealthy people. Business will also be the preferred option than any big JOB.The journey is always rough but the reward is always GREAT.

Sincerely,
Pius.

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marktheonlinesurfer

9 years ago

Originally Posted by suip81

Rich people have ONE thing in COMMON: they own businesses. You may treat online marketing as a business. You shouldn't stop there. It will be advisable to progress to a more sustainable business. This will definitely require a lot of efforts and time. Once you've businesses that generate income monthly and steadily, the next big question will be "how do you invest your money." This's one of the key things in business that most people don't have enough education about it. I may suggest you have a look at the Elevation Group. This group has covered comprehensively every aspect of starting a business and the investment strategies that are being implemented by the wealthy people. Business will also be the preferred option than any big JOB.The journey is always rough but the reward is always GREAT.

Sincerely,
Pius.

Elevation Group charge $1197...that is a bit steep?

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pauljones99

9 years ago

Originally Posted by suip81

Rich people have ONE thing in COMMON: they own businesses. You may treat online marketing as a business. You shouldn't stop there. It will be advisable to progress to a more sustainable business. This will definitely require a lot of efforts and time. Once you've businesses that generate income monthly and steadily, the next big question will be "how do you invest your money." This's one of the key things in business that most people don't have enough education about it. I may suggest you have a look at the Elevation Group. This group has covered comprehensively every aspect of starting a business and the investment strategies that are being implemented by the wealthy people. Business will also be the preferred option than any big JOB.The journey is always rough but the reward is always GREAT.

Sincerely,
Pius.

No...not true at all. Some of the richest people i know worked for compnaies that went public and made $5m+ with stocks they sold.

What about commodity traders that make $2m+ per annum working at huge trading houses?

Take everything you read on forums with a huge grain of salt.

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Jan79

9 years ago

I would tell my children to do what makes them happy not what makes them the most money. A recent study in the Netherlands revealed that many self-employed make less money then they would probably do in a regular job... but it also revealed that they are much happier then those with a regular job. I wish I learned much more about that in school when I was young... how to learn and do what makes you happy in life.

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Tom Addams

9 years ago

I second the above.

I grew up in a family of entrepreneurs. It's in the blood, as they say. Grandfather owned several construction and manufacturing companies in Canada, parents grew one of the largest home-improvement companies in Europe, and I work from home in my pajamas. Which makes me rather lame in comparison of course (lol), but the point is: you're either the type of person who works for himself or herself or the type who works for others. I think it's practically set at birth. A digital entrepreneur is, despite the hype, no easy path to take. And, unlike many professions, it requires a whole mixture of innate abilities: one of which being the ability to work crazy hours and still love what you do!

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ahlexis

9 years ago

You mention lawyer and/or banker.

Here's something you did not mention that is more important on either the professional side OR the IM side:

Lifestyle.

Here's what I mean.

What if you were a lawyer licensed to practice tax law and estate planning? What if you could reach and bill your clients through the internet? Would you still need to stay in the same place as your clients with the whole world wide web at your fingertips?

What if you were an investment banker and you had the opportunity to relocate someplace warm in the middle of a freezing winter? What if what you did was in high demand in say . . . Bermuda, or perhaps the Cayman Islands?

What if you could do THAT over the internet and relocate to Bermuda or the Caymans and KEEP YOUR BANKING CLIENTS?!

Lifestyle is what you need to focus on first, on what you want your life to be like. And then figure out which way to get there. It might be returning to the professional workforce that actually gives you a stronger foothold on achieving the lifestyle most people can only dream about.

I've met a guy (virtually) who has done exactly that: relocated from Canada to a small island, and has kept his clients that he consults and advises, and most of what he does is done via the internet. For the major confidential stuff he gets on a plane and meets with them in various places. If the client comes to him they probably get to write off the expenses of the trip as a business trip. If he travels to them, same thing.

And guess what?

He's happier now than he ever was when he kept his nose to the grindstone and worked through a dreary Canadian winter.

By the way, have you heard of a company called SiteSell? The founder used to live in Canada. One day he made the same realization, and decided that since he had all of his employees in various places around the world (literally a virtual company) that he would up and relocate to a nice warm tropical island.

And if you want to remain in the corporate workforce, consider this. There are banks in Singapore, Panama, Uruguay and elsewhere around the world. Pick someplace you think you might like to be because you might like the weather or the atmosphere better than where you are now and learn all you can about the place. Perhaps a relocation might be in order.

Don't want to just get on a plane one day?

Fine. Find a worldwide company and see what it takes to get hired locally but also try to learn what it might take to get a company-supported transfer from one place to another. They might not pay for your relocation expenses but they might still be glad to have you relocate and welcome you with open arms once you get to your destination.

Just food for thought.

Do whatever it takes that makes you happiest.

And keep in mind, for some people that might not be internet marketing.

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