am i really a lazy git?

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Or smart?

My goal shifted a number of years ago when a close friend dropped dead suddenly. Yes making money was a goal. Making big money was a goal...but I din't want to sell my soul or spend 16+ hours a day doing it.

So my new goal became make good money but have free time to enjoy it. The time being the major factor. The most important thing. But of course everyone starts tellnig me "how much more i can make if I put in more time/effort,etc" They don't get it. I see little relationship between working hard and working smart. Even if I could make more..I am not interested in doing so.

Anyone else feel the same? Or am i the odd one out?
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  • Profile picture of the author valdorion
    You don't need to work that much to make money online, certainly not more than a few hours per day. The thing is though, why would you want to work only a little bit if you actually like what you are doing? Find something you like doing and it won't feel like a burden anymore.
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    • Profile picture of the author pauljones99
      Originally Posted by valdorion View Post

      You don't need to work that much to make money online, certainly not more than a few hours per day. The thing is though, why would you want to work only a little bit if you actually like what you are doing? Find something you like doing and it won't feel like a burden anymore.
      Because, if your goal was to make good money but have a great lifestyle, the danger is to fill your time void, with more "business" when you reach your goal.

      It's like exercise and get fit. When you are fat(out of shape) and your goal is to get down to a lean 10% b.f. and ripped, when you achieve it...it's all about maintining that as effieciently as possible. Not to keep moving the goal posts, like we are told to do. As doing this means you never reach your goal and therefore never happy.

      i guarantee all those misreable millionaires out there as like that because they keep striving for more and more and more.
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  • Profile picture of the author elcidofaguy
    Indeed I'm feeling the same too! But also for other reasons relating to my kid and now another one on the way lol.... At the beginning of 2014 - I decided to change course and spent a considerable time developing my own software... So indeed I've been working long hours in between everything else, so with that in mind I'm really hoping that for 2015 its going to be completely different.... as I've had enough lol.... Now what happened to my copy of 4HWW??? .... Best of luck!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    You have the right idea, Paul.

    The trick is to get a method working and then put a team in place to handle it. Easier said than done, finding staff is no easy feat, but with a little practice and some know-how, it's a great way to operate.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      But of course everyone starts tellnig me "how much more i can make if I put in more time/effort,etc" They don't get it.
      Same here - I work as much as I need to work. It doesn't matter what "everyone" says you can do. You are living YOUR life with YOUR priorities - not theirs.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Same here - I work as much as I need to work. It doesn't matter what "everyone" says you can do. You are living YOUR life with YOUR priorities - not theirs.
        Key point I'd like to address is in bold. It's a great point from Kay.

        You have to ask yourself: why did I become an internet marketer? I could give a hundred answers there, but one of them would be this: I want the freedom to do my own thing.

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        • Profile picture of the author IM Phoenix
          Originally Posted by Get Rich Methods View Post

          You have to ask yourself: why did I become an internet marketer? I could give a hundred answers there, but one of them would be this: I want the freedom to do my own thing.
          Like others have said I think it really has to do with what is most important to you at this time in your life.

          Growing in this area is amazing because once you know how to make your internet business work for you, it gives you the option to work as much or as little (within reason) as you like. You can immerse yourself in it or you can use it to supplement your lifestyle. Or a healthy balance of both.
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  • Look at it this way....if i have a puppy I have a choice to make it the "smartest" dog and teach it tricks many hours a day and love it. I can also choose to teach it a little bit of tricks and be called "dumb" dog and still love it.

    The point is entirely upto you. Whether your dog (your business) learns new tricks is entirely upto you but by the end of the day, you will still love your dog and your dog love you as its master.

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  • Profile picture of the author jamescanz
    Originally Posted by pauljones99 View Post

    Even if I could make more..I am not interested in doing so.
    Well, if you are not interested in making any more money...

    Wouldn't you be satisfied with where you are now?
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Originally Posted by pauljones99 View Post

    Or smart?

    My goal shifted a number of years ago when a close friend dropped dead suddenly. Yes making money was a goal. Making big money was a goal...but I din't want to sell my soul or spend 16+ hours a day doing it.

    So my new goal became make good money but have free time to enjoy it. The time being the major factor. The most important thing. But of course everyone starts tellnig me "how much more i can make if I put in more time/effort,etc" They don't get it. I see little relationship between working hard and working smart. Even if I could make more..I am not interested in doing so.

    Anyone else feel the same? Or am i the odd one out?
    This is a problem EVERYONE has - the key is getting to a position where you can leverage your time.

    As the saying goes:

    "Poor people sell their time - rich people buy time!"

    Or another one of my favs from Jim Rohn,

    "You get paid for adding VALUE to the marketplace, you don't get paid for TIME!"

    All the best,

    Chris Jones

    P.S Almost every biz i have started takes a HUGE amount of time to be able to get into the position where you can buy time from the business profits, i.e buy other peoples time.

    If you are looking to build a biz from scratch without investing ALL your time - you may not be successful,

    Good Luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author elcidofaguy
      Chri5123 - Great quote... won't be forgetting that ;-)
      Originally Posted by Chri5123 View Post

      "Poor people sell their time - rich people buy time!"
      ... and for sure agree with below...

      Originally Posted by Chri5123 View Post

      P.S Almost every biz i have started takes a HUGE amount of time to be able to get into the position where you can buy time from the business profits, i.e buy other peoples time.
      That's exactly why I'm working hard right now with a view for the future... so let's bring it on!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Originally Posted by pauljones99 View Post

    Or smart?

    My goal shifted a number of years ago when a close friend dropped dead suddenly. Yes making money was a goal. Making big money was a goal...but I din't want to sell my soul or spend 16+ hours a day doing it.

    So my new goal became make good money but have free time to enjoy it. The time being the major factor. The most important thing. But of course everyone starts tellnig me "how much more i can make if I put in more time/effort,etc" They don't get it. I see little relationship between working hard and working smart. Even if I could make more..I am not interested in doing so.

    Anyone else feel the same? Or am i the odd one out?
    Just to add:

    Saw this in your post:

    "Even if I could make more..I am not interested in doing so."

    You can make as much money or as little as you want - decide on what you want, decide what you are going to offer and decide how to do it while freeing up as much time as poss if that is what you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaleRodge
    Being rich is having a lot of money.

    Being wealthy is having time & money
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  • Profile picture of the author vampirerocks123
    Try reading the book from tim ferris, the 6 hour work week.You could learn more on how to manage time and money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      he book from tim ferris, the 6 hour work week
      So - how does that work? You read the book 1.5 times? (just kidding - but check the title)
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      • Profile picture of the author Ted99
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        So - how does that work? You read the book 1.5 times? (just kidding - but check the title)
        Ha ha, sorry but that is quite funny
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    • Profile picture of the author pauljones99
      Originally Posted by vampirerocks123 View Post

      Try reading the book from tim ferris, the 6 hour work week.You could learn more on how to manage time and money.
      I read the "4 hour week" about 5 years ago. Did he add another 2 hours on in his new version?
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  • Profile picture of the author th3genie
    All what you need is to devise your time between work and fun and thats it
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    • Profile picture of the author kilgore
      Overall I think this is a great attitude to have, and it is achievable... eventually. But I do think it's unrealistic for people who are just starting out.

      As GRM rightly pointed out, you can hire a team to work on a method that you have working. But to do that (1) you have to have a working method and (2) you have to be earning enough to support the hiring of that team. Both of these take a lot of up front work.

      Right now I definitely work more than I want to -- and it's been that way for over two years. But frankly I think that's the price you have to pay to create and grow a successful online business -- at least when you're getting started. There's a lot of competition out there and the fact is that the Pareto principle means that (in general) the top 20% earn 80% of the income. So if you're not in that top 20% (or better yet the top 5% or 1%) in your niche, your goal of having both time and money is probably just a fantasy.

      Absolutely having both time and money is a laudable goal, and I sincerely congratulate anyone who's achieved it. But I think it takes a lot of hard work upfront to get there.
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      • Profile picture of the author pauljones99
        Originally Posted by kilgore View Post

        Overall I think this is a great attitude to have, and it is achievable... eventually. But I do think it's unrealistic for people who are just starting out.

        As GRM rightly pointed out, you can hire a team to work on a method that you have working. But to do that (1) you have to have a working method and (2) you have to be earning enough to support the hiring of that team. Both of these take a lot of up front work.

        Right now I definitely work more than I want to -- and it's been that way for over two years. But frankly I think that's the price you have to pay to create and grow a successful online business -- at least when you're getting started. There's a lot of competition out there and the fact is that the Pareto principle means that (in general) the top 20% earn 80% of the income. So if you're not in that top 20% (or better yet the top 5% or 1%) in your niche, your goal of having both time and money is probably just a fantasy.

        Absolutely having both time and money is a laudable goal, and I sincerely congratulate anyone who's achieved it. But I think it takes a lot of hard work upfront to get there.
        But why do you presume i need A "TEAM" to get there? I've always been a one man business. It's not all about products.

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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    "Lazy" and "smart" are not mutually exclusive.

    Keep in mind that many of the great inventions came about because a really smart person was lazy enough to find a way to accomplish something with less work...
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by pauljones99 View Post

    Anyone else feel the same?
    Yup.

    One day a long while ago, my boss found out i had a website that was quickly flourishing. It showed promise (and it has surpassed its promise. it's great).

    Me and her started talking and i slipped up and told her about it. Then she asked me if i was looking to be in an environment where i wear business suits, take business flights, and interact with people in the corporate business world.

    I said "hell no" lol. All i was interested in was using the job as a way for me to fund my advertising for the site. Soon as i made enough money to quit working forever, i was out of the working grind. $2,000 a month was good enough for me. I dont need $5,000 a month to be *happy* in life... or happy to wake up everyday with an alarm clock set. I'd rather wake up with boxers on at 12pm everyday making $2,000/month than a 8-hour/day job any time.

    Anyone else feel the same? Or am i the odd one out?

    Live your life. If you're living the greatest life ever in your mind, live it. Everybody else below your intelligence and income (and time) who tries to tell you how to run your own life should be ignored with great vigor. Great vigor.
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    Originally Posted by pauljones99 View Post

    Or smart?

    So my new goal became make good money but have free time to enjoy it.

    Anyone else feel the same? Or am i the odd one out?
    I toast you, to your continued success.

    But, then, we each get to define "good money", eh?

    What I learned working for and with really rich men, Ben Suarez, Rod Napier, Burt Morgan, and many others was/is...

    They loved their BIG businesses. They made time for other things, but, 50 hour "work" weeks were common among the very wealthy Entrepreneurs.

    Also, MOST of them, after reaching a certain level of income, INVESTED in absentee businesses. Some guys own car washes, restaurants, even pizza franchises, all things which make them money but are hands off. Sort of the rich guy's "set it and forget it" money making machine. And of course blue chip stocks insured their investments.

    Systems and automation of routines does help, harder for the little guy to implement, but still, some valuable lessons to learn.

    Many years ago I was invited to present at a big guru seminar, but, I said no thanks. Didn't want the press, recognition, have no need for the "stage" or the platform. They called me a small potatoes guy, with limited thinking, and it was fine by me.

    Having money and time for whatever has been the mainstay of my business ventures for decades, it suits me just fine.

    Once you get some money saved, look for ways to put your money to work to keep your cash flow up and your time free.

    Having memories of being with my kids, DOING things, like tennis, mean so much more than any monetary success during that same time...money can always be made (just focus on it)....but time, is indeed a finite thing in all our lives.

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  • Profile picture of the author pauljones99
    I know what you mean. But i wonder where the line between keeping busy and addiction is? How many people went into busines thinking "If i ever cash out with XXX million $$'s I am retiring." Only to get there, retire for a while, get fed up, depressed, go back into business? Once you fill your life with business, does it then get hard to switch it off? Would lying on a beach with nothing to "worry" about drive them mad? It's an addiction.

    I know guys who cashed out HUGE and i mean hundreds of milllions $$. yet they are still too busy to go on "holiday." I think that is so sad. You get lost in the rabbit hole....you might never get out.

    They loved their BIG businesses. They made time for other things, but, 50 hour "work" weeks were common among the very wealthy Entrepreneurs.
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  • Profile picture of the author jonb
    Great topic!

    I've followed a similar path -- I built a business that's successful enough to support my family but still gives me the opportunity to take days off whenever I want. It's really a great thing.

    BUT....

    Recently, after 20 years of doing this, I started to wonder if my desire to live an easy life was really what I wanted, or simply a rationalization based on some limiting beliefs I had about myself and my capabilities. Am I wasting my potential when I could really be out there kicking serious ass? Could i be changing the world and impacting people's life for the better, but I'm not because it seems like too much trouble? Am I leaving real adventure on the table because I'm snuggled in my comfort zone?

    Please note - it's not about money (although having more would allow me to live a bigger, more vibrant life). For me, it's about my potential, and it's about living the rest of my life on an upward plane, not the same ol' same ol' I had been experiencing.

    I started working on this, and ultimately took a friends advice to attend the Tony Robbin's Unleash the Power within. My lord, it changed my life and set me on fire. I now have a way to balance my enjoyment of free time with a real purpose that will propel me to big things.

    This is my story, at least. You may be where I was 10 years ago and simply looking to savor an easy life with no boss and total time freedom and perhaps you don't need more than that. And that's absolutely cool.

    But if the time ever comes when you start to wonder "Is this all there is?", get into action. There's more there when you want it.

    And congrats on your journey so far!
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  • Profile picture of the author Clausenlt
    Originally Posted by pauljones99 View Post

    Or smart?

    My goal shifted a number of years ago when a close friend dropped dead suddenly. Yes making money was a goal. Making big money was a goal...but I din't want to sell my soul or spend 16+ hours a day doing it.

    So my new goal became make good money but have free time to enjoy it. The time being the major factor. The most important thing. But of course everyone starts tellnig me "how much more i can make if I put in more time/effort,etc" They don't get it. I see little relationship between working hard and working smart. Even if I could make more..I am not interested in doing so.

    Anyone else feel the same? Or am i the odd one out?

    Years ago I had a friend who owned a pizza shop. He was from Italy, and he closed his shop fairly early, and especially on Sunday. I told him "you'd make a lot more money if you were open later."

    He told me a story, which I won't relate because I'll just get it wrong, but I'll tell you the end of the story. He said, "in America, you live to work, in Italy, we work for a living."

    His point....what's the point of making a lot of money if you cannot enjoy what you made!!!!!!

    So, no you are not lazy...you are just smarter than 99% of people you know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clausenlt
    Let me add this, I'm trying to make a transition from my offline business to IM, I can make up to $1500 a day in my offline business when the work is there with the right account, but it sucks when I do because that's a LONG LONG DAY and literally takes me 2 to 3 days to recover!
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    Originally Posted by pauljones99 View Post

    Or smart?

    My goal shifted a number of years ago when a close friend dropped dead suddenly. Yes making money was a goal. Making big money was a goal...but I din't want to sell my soul or spend 16+ hours a day doing it.

    So my new goal became make good money but have free time to enjoy it. The time being the major factor. The most important thing. But of course everyone starts tellnig me "how much more i can make if I put in more time/effort,etc" They don't get it. I see little relationship between working hard and working smart. Even if I could make more..I am not interested in doing so.

    Anyone else feel the same? Or am i the odd one out?
    blah blah blah blah blah, another meaningless post

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    • Profile picture of the author jonb
      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      blah blah blah blah blah, another meaningless post

      al
      Really? You just dropped in here to take a shot at a guy who posted something that was personal and clearly important to him?

      It's really easy to ignore threads that don't interest you. No need to come in with that attitude.
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      • Profile picture of the author pauljones99
        Originally Posted by jonb View Post

        Really? You just dropped in here to take a shot at a guy who posted something that was personal and clearly important to him?

        It's really easy to ignore threads that don't interest you. No need to come in with that attitude.

        He sounds like a troll. Thx for the reply though..
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    • Profile picture of the author pauljones99
      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      blah blah blah blah blah, another meaningless post

      al
      Look who's talking! It got some good replies until you chipped in with your complaining. Misreable f*****!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Work is the curse of the working class. If you can find something you like to do, that makes money for you, then you ain't working. I do this because it is fun, and probablilty to make money is there too wihich is fine with me, I can always use more money.

    Sorry you consider what you are doing work.

    I would quit and find something I like to do. I retired about 11.5 years ago, at the age of 53. I do this now because I like to do it. Even when I didn't make any money, I kept going because I was fascinated by what I do. You are in an industry that has so many different niches, there must be some part of this infantry that you wold enjoy and can make money with. Find it, and do it. Then when you are making money with it, find a VA or teo to manage the humdrum of daily work life. You keep control of the money part.
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  • Profile picture of the author gluckspilz
    Sorry fellas but if you're not growing you're dying.

    If you really think one only needs to work a certain amount of time and get the same amount of earning for their entire life. Than you're dying.

    And yes, I'm not denying that working smart is all you need to be wealthy.

    What I'm saying is your vision is so narrow that it's kind of sad. Working harder and making more money allows you to contribute, help the poor, charity, and so on.

    Either way, I think this video explains it a lot better. Enjoy

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    • Profile picture of the author jonb
      Originally Posted by gluckspilz View Post

      Sorry fellas but if you're not growing you're dying.

      If you really think one only needs to work a certain amount of time and get the same amount of earning for their entire life. Than you're dying.
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      Indeed.

      Here's how I'd put it: are you living your life on an upward trajectory? You get to define what that means, but if you're not, you're wasting your talents and you're wasting time.

      It could be money. It could be changing lives. It could be spiritual enlightenment. It could be anything that's positive and keeps you growing.

      And I speak as someone who got very comfortable and finally got a wakeup call. One life, folks. Gotta do something special with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adrianhenry
    This is a very interesting thread for me as it resonates strongly with where I am in my life right now. I am at a cross roads where I am motivated to work hard and achieve great things but I am also scared that I am just going to be losing a lot of time working and before I know it I am old and have lots of money but not a lot of time left to use it.

    A quote that I heard that may apply here is "when people are young they use their health to try get wealth and when they get older they use that wealth to try maintain their health". It is a very profound quote imo.

    There is a fine line between working hard and making a lot of money and trying to experience the world and do things while you are young enough to do them because after all we never know how much time we have. This of course is only my opinion but it keeps everything in perspective for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Lazy Git? - LOL have not heard that one in a while....
    Yes Sir you are Lazy and a Git.... Sorry mate could not resist
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by pauljones99 View Post

    Or smart?

    My goal shifted a number of years ago when a close friend dropped dead suddenly. Yes making money was a goal. Making big money was a goal...but I din't want to sell my soul or spend 16+ hours a day doing it.

    So my new goal became make good money but have free time to enjoy it. The time being the major factor. The most important thing. But of course everyone starts tellnig me "how much more i can make if I put in more time/effort,etc" They don't get it. I see little relationship between working hard and working smart. Even if I could make more..I am not interested in doing so.

    Anyone else feel the same? Or am i the odd one out?
    Hey Paul,
    I hear you man.

    Here is a question to ask. Would you rather make $150K working 20 hours a week or 500K working 50 hrs a week.

    Since I was brought into this World by my wonderful Mom ( who always stressed pursuing self- enrichment in Life) that question has and always will been a no brainer to me.



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  • Profile picture of the author skyro
    You are definitely on the right track. The whole goal of earning a income online is to have the freedom of time and money to do what you want. You shouldn't stray from that goal or settle for either or.
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  • Profile picture of the author Naets
    That is the beauty of the internet - if you offer a good SERVICE that people or businesses VALUE you dont have to work nearly as much as the Average Joe working a 9 - 5.

    You can then decide to work more if you want more money, or if you are satisfied with your income vs time balance, why work more? Great point you made.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Fortune
    I feel you to the bone.

    Many internet marketers feel the same in the first years when they start and make the good money.

    After that you have to find a way to balance it my friend.

    We live ONE TIME on earth ....
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  • Profile picture of the author prosperity4all
    I stated out wanting to be my own boss and make money online any way that I could. I remember staying up many a night, all night, personally messaging other marketers on Direct Matches trying to make contacts (dates me a bit I know lol)

    Over time I have gone from the extreme of wanting to make the most amount of money in the least amount of time, to actually looking for ways to work a productive 8 hour day.

    Working a full, productive 8 hour day online is a blessing in my opinion.

    Working a 12+ hour a day labor job, is in my opinion, a curse.
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