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Why We Need More IM Newbies

by Lightlysalted
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I often see posts in forum's from experienced Internet Marketing professionals eluding to the fact that you shouldn't get involved in the IM world if you don't know what you are doing or riddiculing basic questions that newbies ask. Granted some of those questions are repeatative to experienced IM's and some posted in a spam capacity to boost backlink's in their own right.

However the majority are genuine newbie's looking for a bit of guidance. Sometimes we forget that we were all newbies once and we have to start somewhere.

In my view the reason that IM evolves and develops is because of the constant influx of newbies trying out new ideas and testing their own theories of what works which then become trends in their own right.

Granted, some people should steer well clear of IM but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't try in the first instance.

So perhaps we should all have a little more patience (myself included) when we see questions like "How can I generate traffic to my site"

Thanks to all the newbies out there who keep challenging and shaping the why IM works.......
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  • Profile picture of the author Monja
    SO well said! I'm glad nobody told me - when I just started - that "I shouldn't get involved" Maybe I'm not a marketer of the first hour of Internet BUT actually I make a living online and not for that long. So whenever you start, do it with all your heart and yes, you can do it :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Good reminder in my opinion. I personally cringe at how "some" of the older (and should know better) vets treat newbies. It's like they have a fight with their wife or girlfriend then come on the W.F to take it out on someone. As though they were born with the knowledge and experience they have now.

      Sure some may ask obvious questions for the 20th time this week, but it doesn't give anyone an excuse to be rude I.M.O.

      I applaud the new people who have the courage to embark on this journey. At least you're trying instead of just talking. Imagine the number of people who just dream or think about doing this, but never do. Many even go to their graves without giving it a shot.

      Jay Abraham, Dan Kennedy, Marland Sanders, Frank Kern, Alex Jeffreys, Eban Pagan, Brian Clark and a host of other trail blaizers were once newbies (hard to believe). And I'm sure there were people who doubted them, gave them a hard time or told them what they couldn't do or even discounted them.
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      • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
        Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

        Jay Abraham, Dan Kennedy, Marland Sanders, Frank Kern, Alex Jeffreys, Eban Pagan, Brian Clark and a host of other trail blaizers were once newbies (hard to believe).
        Most of those guys are lowlife get rich quick scammers. I will never understand why so many of you drop their names on this forum as if they are the kings of the internet.
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        • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
          Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post


          Jay Abraham, Dan Kennedy, Marland Sanders, Frank Kern, Alex Jeffreys, Eban Pagan, Brian Clark and a host of other trail blaizers were once newbies (hard to believe). And I'm sure there were people who doubted them, gave them a hard time or told them what they couldn't do or even discounted them.

          Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

          Most of those guys are lowlife get rich quick scammers. I will never understand why so many of you drop their names on this forum as if they are the kings of the internet.
          I understand you may not like them or the thousands of people they've helped. But to call them all lowlife scammers is a bit harsh/judgemental, don't ya think? Unless you know about some convictions, fines or arrest I don't know about.

          I'd guess you're probably using or have used one of their techniques,tactics or methods - they created or made popular without even knowing it. Especially Jay Abraham or Dan Kennedy.
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          • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
            Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

            I understand you may not like them or the thousands of people they've helped. But to call them all lowlife scammers is a bit harsh/judgemental, don't ya think? Unless you know about some convictions, fines or arrest I don't know about.
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          Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

          Most of those guys are lowlife get rich quick scammers. I will never understand why so many of you drop their names on this forum as if they are the kings of the internet.
          That's funny... They probably live a wealthier life than you so calling them low life is a bit...

          Scammers? The amount of lives they impacted of changed from their products is probably a million times more than you so that's pretty funny as well.

          Kings of the internet? I don't think anyone else is implying that besides you.

          These names are dropped on this forum because they are successful and they know how to market. Is this not an internet marketing forum?

          You need to relax sir...
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

        Good reminder in my opinion. I personally cringe at how "some" of the older (and should know better) vets treat newbies. It's like they have a fight with their wife or girlfriend then come on the W.F to take it out on someone. As though they were born with the knowledge and experience they have now.

        Sure some may ask obvious questions for the 20th time this week, but it doesn't give anyone an excuse to be rude I.M.O.

        I applaud the new people who have the courage to embark on this journey. At least you're trying instead of just talking. Imagine the number of people who just dream or think about doing this, but never do. Many even go to their graves without giving it a shot.

        Jay Abraham, Dan Kennedy, Marland Sanders, Frank Kern, Alex Jeffreys, Eban Pagan, Brian Clark and a host of other trail blaizers were once newbies (hard to believe). And I'm sure there were people who doubted them, gave them a hard time or told them what they couldn't do or even discounted them.
        Hey Roy,
        I feel you , friend.

        There are a select number of old timers ( yes, if you are reading this you know EXACTLY who you are ) who come on here and seem to be just upset with the whole World. And they do not hesitate to try to spread their toxic, cynical, and debbie downer attitudes to the rest of the forum.

        Rather than actually sharing their real experiences, methods, and trial and tribulations with internet marketing they just want play 'police' and be extraordinarily rude telling everyone else what they are doing wrong in forum decorum !!

        Make no mistake, these people are bullies. Its just as plain and simple as that. I mean sure I will correct a Newbie who is acting like a jackass or thinking like one. No question. And there is a lot of it.

        But there is a difference in giving a swift kick in the a$$ of tough love to just being extremely rude and condescending.

        Personally, I would just as soon see these people leave because it would be a better place here without them, regardless of their 10 million posts count

        It gets old.

        Oh well enough of my rant

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    Originally Posted by Lightlysalted View Post

    I often see posts in forum's from experienced Internet Marketing professionals eluding to the fact that you shouldn't get involved in the IM world if you don't know what you are doing or riddiculing basic questions that newbies ask.
    I suspect the posts are about newbies offering "expert" IM advice to fellow newbies - which is kind of like the blind leading the blind.

    Everyone was once a beginner. And there's never anything wrong with sharing or teaching at any level - just as long as you're not pretending to be at a higher level than you really are.

    The reason this is harmful in the IM niche (as in others like health) is that people following your advice/suggestions stand to lose a lot. That responsibility lies with the teacher, which is why there are so few truly valuable teachers who actually walk their talk, and guide beginners or intermediate level IM-ers from the perspective of what they actually do or have learned in the school of hard knocks.

    My 2 cents.

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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    No problem with Newbies heck even "repetitive questions" but i do have a problem with people who are just to lazy or ignorant to do some basic research before they pollute forums with their dumb ass questions....

    Yes i said dumb ass, politically incorrect? maybe but then i'm over all this PC BS.
    Anybody who is <30 should know how to use Google or even the search function to get answers for basic questions such as "What is IM", "How does article marketing work", how do i install WP" etc...

    Youtube is also a great platform to find all kinds of info and tutorials. But there are people who just don't have the IQ or who are to lazy to do any of the work themselves...

    Then, like someone mentioned you have the blind leading the blind. It's not difficult to spot people who:
    i) are just repeating what they read somewhere else.
    ii) clearly have zero knowledge on the topic they are expounding on.
    iii) are just BS trying to build a rep

    Yeah, no problem with newbies, at least those who have 2 brain cells to rub together....
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    That responsibility lies with the teacher,
    Most people feel no responsibility of any kind. They couldn't care less what happens to people but they will claim to "care" deeply. I regularly post things like, "be very careful who you listen to."

    On those more experienced boards the n00b questions are often the most inspirational place to spend my time.
    Only a noob would say that.

    Newb - someone who is ignorant but willing to learn and follows instructions, etc.

    Noob - someone who is ignorant but refuses to listen or follow advice, they already know it all.

    Yeah, no problem with newbies, at least those who have 2 brain cells to rub together....
    Ditto!
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  • Profile picture of the author Umee Social Network
    So this post is pretty dumb.

    That's like a new employee starting out at work and asking a question or learning the trade when a seasoned veteran states, "wow, this person is dumb. How dare he or she come in here and ask something they don't know to people that do know." It's not like anyone has to answer the person.

    Another example, it's like a tech guy coming into the science field (my world) and asking me a very simple science question, then I look at him like as if..... "are you stupid?" People don't have the same knowledge base as others or spent their lives in that particular field. They are merely trying to learn more. People need to recognize this. Smart people realize when they don't know something.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaleRodge
    The real reason we need newbies is because that's who us experts make the money from training up!

    Hey... at least I'm honest!
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    • Profile picture of the author Roth
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      Originally Posted by Lightlysalted View Post

      I often see posts in forum's from experienced Internet Marketing professionals eluding to the fact that you shouldn't get involved in the IM world if you don't know what you are doing or riddiculing basic questions that newbies ask. Granted some of those questions are repeatative to experienced IM's and some posted in a spam capacity to boost backlink's in their own right.
      Spell check? Misspellings don't send off a good impression. Anyway...

      Originally Posted by Lightlysalted View Post

      However the majority are genuine newbie's looking for a bit of guidance. Sometimes we forget that we were all newbies once and we have to start somewhere.
      No, the majority are genuine noobs that want something for nothing. Or they're too lazy to exercise a bit of independent research on their own. They post banal questions about things they can find without even using the search function, which although on the fritz right now, is a very useful feature.

      Originally Posted by Lightlysalted View Post

      In my view the reason that IM evolves and develops is because of the constant influx of newbies trying out new ideas and testing their own theories of what works which then become trends in their own right.
      That view is incorrect. I'm sorry, but marketing doesn't evolve or develop at all because of noobs. It encourages BS artists to keep fleecing noobs and filling the net with garbage content, but it doesn't influence marketing...at least not in any good way, as you're implying.

      Originally Posted by Lightlysalted View Post

      So perhaps we should all have a little more patience (myself included) when we see questions like "How can I generate traffic to my site"
      No, we shouldnt. Noobs should do the following to help make the forum, and the community more healthy...

      1. Exercise independent research and take responsibility for themselves.
      2. Use the search function on the WF, as well as Google and YouTube. {ties into #1}
      3. Stay out of the "learn internet marketing" arena. There's too many fake gurus and wannabe's as it is...we don't need more.
      4. Target actual niche markets that they can honestly capitalize on.

      Originally Posted by drmani View Post

      I suspect the posts are about newbies offering "expert" IM advice to fellow newbies - which is kind of like the blind leading the blind.
      LOL that's not KINDA like that....it IS the blind leading the blind.

      Originally Posted by drmani View Post

      Everyone was once a beginner. And there's never anything wrong with sharing or teaching at any level - just as long as you're not pretending to be at a higher level than you really are.
      Agreed, wholeheartedly.


      Originally Posted by drmani View Post

      The reason this is harmful in the IM niche (as in others like health) is that people following your advice/suggestions stand to lose a lot. That responsibility lies with the teacher, which is why there are so few truly valuable teachers who actually walk their talk, and guide beginners or intermediate level IM-ers from the perspective of what they actually do or have learned in the school of hard knocks.
      IM isn't a niche/vertical...it's a market. But other than that little tidbit, I agree.


      Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

      No problem with Newbies heck even "repetitive questions" but i do have a problem with people who are just to lazy or ignorant to do some basic research before they pollute forums with their dumb ass questions....

      Anybody who is <30 should know how to use Google or even the search function to get answers for basic questions such as "What is IM", "How does article marketing work", how do i install WP" etc...


      Then, like someone mentioned you have the blind leading the blind. It's not difficult to spot people who:

      i) are just repeating what they read somewhere else.
      ii) clearly have zero knowledge on the topic they are expounding on.
      iii) are just BS trying to build a rep

      Yeah, no problem with newbies, at least those who have 2 brain cells to rub together....
      Exactly! Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way! I love the irreverence and political incorrectness! Not to sound like I'm brown-nosing.

      Originally Posted by DaleRodge View Post

      The real reason we need newbies is because that's who us experts make the money from training up!

      Hey... at least I'm honest!
      Spoken like a fake guru who can only make money by "teaching" other noobs how to "make money". Almost like bloggers who blog about blogging. So ironic and yet so infuriating at the same time.
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      • Profile picture of the author rickardvagerstam
        Exactly! Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way! I love the irreverence and political incorrectness! Not to sound like I'm brown-nosing.



        Spoken like a fake guru who can only make money by "teaching" other noobs how to "make money". Almost like bloggers who blog about blogging. So ironic and yet so infuriating at the same time.[/QUOTE]

        Exactly my thought when I first read the comment. It shouldnt be just about the money, helping other people earn an extra buck should be a big part of it. Sharing is caring.
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  • Profile picture of the author Malteaser
    Originally Posted by Lightlysalted View Post

    I often see posts in forum's from experienced Internet Marketing professionals eluding to the fact that you shouldn't get involved in the IM world if you don't know what you are doing or riddiculing basic questions that newbies ask. Granted some of those questions are repeatative to experienced IM's and some posted in a spam capacity to boost backlink's in their own right.

    However the majority are genuine newbie's looking for a bit of guidance. Sometimes we forget that we were all newbies once and we have to start somewhere.

    In my view the reason that IM evolves and develops is because of the constant influx of newbies trying out new ideas and testing their own theories of what works which then become trends in their own right.

    Granted, some people should steer well clear of IM but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't try in the first instance.

    So perhaps we should all have a little more patience (myself included) when we see questions like "How can I generate traffic to my site"

    Thanks to all the newbies out there who keep challenging and shaping the why IM works.......
    Exactly what I was thinking!

    There are specific members (I won't mention any names), who think they are tough and know everything and impose their ideas... if you don't like their idea they ridicule you! Happened to me this same very week... what they need to understand is I am building a business I love and not a business based on what people think is best for me!

    When it comes to newbies, the same happens, I see the same people saying things like 'this question has been asked tons of times before, do a search, you should know better' or something on those lines...

    ...we were not born knowing what lead generation is and stuff like that. Some IMers come to this forum knowing nothing and looking for answers for the FIRST time, so it's our job as experienced marketers to help without making fun of them or ridiculing them!

    I wonder why they even answer with arrogance and have their signature exposed at the bottom... is that going to entice people to sign up and learn more from them? ... I don't think so!

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    Good thread. It is kind of cool that there are always going to be new im's that are just starting out as these should be the people that you take under your wing & show how to make money the same way you did or with your product
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveSRS
    If you mean with 'newbies' Starting Entrepreneur, sure the world needs more in whichever (sub) market they start...

    otherwise if a 'newbie' does not understand that starting in IM means you are starting a (online) business and one should treat it as such then they should stay away... far away.

    80% of this forum only see 'a quick buck' or the '100.000+ USD a year with a one-button-push solution' and they will loose and end up calling everybody scammers etc
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  • Profile picture of the author Sem Seyum
    Shame on those people! Thankfully I got mentored by some people with a very uplifting attitude. They provided me with all the training and tools necessary. I would have hardly made it without them, or at least it would have taken me much much longer. Contact me if you want to know more about those mentors.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Lightlysalted View Post

      I often see posts in forum's from experienced Internet Marketing professionals eluding to the fact that you shouldn't get involved in the IM world if you don't know what you are doing or riddiculing basic questions that newbies ask. Granted some of those questions are repeatative to experienced IM's and some posted in a spam capacity to boost backlink's in their own right.
      Heck, some of those repetitive questions have been asked multiple times by the same person. Another thing, you often see people ask a basic question, claiming ignorance, who then want to argue with the answers when they don't match what the asker was looking for. These are the kind of behaviors that tend to bring out the claws.

      Spammers, backlinkers and sig pimps are well worth reporting and then ignoring regardless of their experience level. Same for chronic whiners.

      Originally Posted by Lightlysalted View Post

      However the majority are genuine newbie's looking for a bit of guidance. Sometimes we forget that we were all newbies once and we have to start somewhere.
      I've spent a lot of time over the years, both on the forum and via PM, trying to help genuine newbies seeking guidance. No problem there.

      Originally Posted by Lightlysalted View Post

      In my view the reason that IM evolves and develops is because of the constant influx of newbies trying out new ideas and testing their own theories of what works which then become trends in their own right.
      The newbies that are trying out new ideas and testing their own theories are not the ones asking "what is IM".

      We do need more newbies like this, and fewer dumbasses asking how to get rich quick without any work or spending any money.

      Originally Posted by Lightlysalted View Post

      Granted, some people should steer well clear of IM but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't try in the first instance.
      Sometimes the advice to forget about IM isn't given from a place of ridicule. Sometimes it's given because, unless something changes for the asker, they're doomed to failure.

      Originally Posted by Lightlysalted View Post

      So perhaps we should all have a little more patience (myself included) when we see questions like "How can I generate traffic to my site"
      Especially when there are multiple active threads under the same question on the first page?
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    Originally Posted by Lightlysalted View Post

    I often see posts in forum's from experienced Internet Marketing professionals eluding to the fact that you shouldn't get involved in the IM world if you don't know what you are doing or riddiculing basic questions that newbies ask. Granted some of those questions are repeatative to experienced IM's and some posted in a spam capacity to boost backlink's in their own right.

    However the majority are genuine newbie's looking for a bit of guidance. Sometimes we forget that we were all newbies once and we have to start somewhere.

    In my view the reason that IM evolves and develops is because of the constant influx of newbies trying out new ideas and testing their own theories of what works which then become trends in their own right.

    Granted, some people should steer well clear of IM but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't try in the first instance.

    So perhaps we should all have a little more patience (myself included) when we see questions like "How can I generate traffic to my site"

    Thanks to all the newbies out there who keep challenging and shaping the why IM works.......
    Of course we need newcomers...that's a must have in any niche for that niche to thrive and it's never good manners to ridicule someone irrespective of his experience.

    Having said that, in the IM industry (since it's so big) a lot of information is available for free and a newcomer has to have the patience to dig up information and implement them. I've been in IM for several years now and know it for a fact that once you start feeding information to newcomers, they just expect to be spoon fed until they achieve big goals (that's what happens with many newbies). That's not good for the industry and of course not for the newbie himself.

    So, ridiculing someone is not recommended, but if someone is looking for a "done for you system" in the name of "guidance", that shouldn't be encouraged.
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  • Profile picture of the author collison
    We need more posters period! there seems to the same old faces, and very few of them, posting on the forum, day after day. It would be could to get some more variety! Maybe they are being deterred by the attitude of some who should know better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    We need more IM newbies so i can make more easy sales.

    I think newbies should stop buying these instant "business in a box" products where they give you a ridiculous ebook package deal that you can turn around and make money in the internet marketing niche... even if this is your first time on the internet. Even if this is your first time seeing a computer.

    Everyday people come online looking to start a business. General habit, no problem. I just think they get super-poor advice from people claiming to live this fantasy.

    They buy a 38 pack product about traffic generation, with a template website and download page.... and NEVER read the information they just bought about how to drive traffic to their site. Then they come up against me in the internet marketing niche and think they are going to spank me. Then that's when i run them out of this niche, and make them revere me - cause i'm everywhere they are, and they can't understand why they not making money while i'm raking in all the profits.

    But yeah like i said... we need more IM newbies so i can make more money off of them. Gotta buy from somebody. Might as well be me.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      We need more IM newbies so i can make more easy sales.

      I think newbies should stop buying these instant "business in a box" products where they give you a ridiculous ebook package deal that you can turn around and make money in the internet marketing niche... even if this is your first time on the internet. Even if this is your first time seeing a computer.

      Everyday people come online looking to start a business. General habit, no problem. I just think they get super-poor advice from people claiming to live this fantasy.

      They buy a 38 pack product about traffic generation, with a template website and download page.... and NEVER read the information they just bought about how to drive traffic to their site. Then they come up against me in the internet marketing niche and think they are going to spank me. Then that's when i run them out of this niche, and make them revere me - cause i'm everywhere they are, and they can't understand why they not making money while i'm raking in all the profits.

      But yeah like i said... we need more IM newbies so i can make more money off of them. Gotta buy from somebody. Might as well be me.
      Randall,
      You crack me up
      I am counting on the stuff you do sale them is good quality stuff
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberzolo
    Yeah, newbies are very important to IM cuz many marketers take advantage and scam newbies because they don't know any better
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveSki
    Seems to me that most newbies stand a much better chance of succeeding with a good network marketing company than they do creating and selling digital products on the internet which is how the gurus really make money.

    They create and sell information products or they generate and sell leads. Newbies need to learn how to sell, not purchase more information on how to do it. Sell a good network marketing program or go get some experience in direct sales like insurance, real estate or sell door to door or even at flea markets to gain some experience and make some profits. Once they learn how to turn a profit offline in the real world, only then should they invest part of their earnings into buying another IM Guru product.

    If they can't turn a profit offline marketing and selling real products and services.... what makes newbies think that buying high priced magic marketing IM courses will do it for them? Just pick a good affiliate or mom product / service and go sell. Buying courses won't make you any money. Look at how sucessful IM earners are really making money before you buy another get rich on the internet course from one or more of them.
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  • Profile picture of the author JakeStatler
    Originally Posted by Lightlysalted View Post

    I often see posts in forum's from experienced Internet Marketing professionals eluding to the fact that you shouldn't get involved in the IM world if you don't know what you are doing or riddiculing basic questions that newbies ask. Granted some of those questions are repeatative to experienced IM's and some posted in a spam capacity to boost backlink's in their own right.

    However the majority are genuine newbie's looking for a bit of guidance. Sometimes we forget that we were all newbies once and we have to start somewhere.

    In my view the reason that IM evolves and develops is because of the constant influx of newbies trying out new ideas and testing their own theories of what works which then become trends in their own right.

    Granted, some people should steer well clear of IM but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't try in the first instance.

    So perhaps we should all have a little more patience (myself included) when we see questions like "How can I generate traffic to my site"

    Thanks to all the newbies out there who keep challenging and shaping the why IM works.......
    This is an awesome post! I feel the exact same way.. I was just in another thread where the topic was bashing a software that has actually helped many people make serious money online (I will leave the name of the software out..)

    The entire thread was just a constant negative conversation about how terrible the software was and when one warrior jumped in to say they actually enjoyed the software, some of the others responded saying that the other warrior is obviously an idiot for saying the software helped them.. which made me think, maybe these guys aren't using the software to it's fullest and don't know something this guy did, making them the real idiots..

    Either way, it's all ignorance, and we need to understand that we all started at the bottom. You should never count others out because of their lack of experience. This forum is supposed to be a community of positivity and helping one another!

    PS. Best of luck to all the newbies! just keep grindin'
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  • Profile picture of the author tbs2014
    Hey Everyone, I am one of the new guys here and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions or recommendations to a training program for local client SEO.

    I've seen a ton of programs with unrealistic claims and I do not have the time or money to waste.

    I have owned and built several brick and mortar businesses and after endless hours learning about SEO I still feel I need more guidance and structured training before I could ever develop SEO or IM into a real business.
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    • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
      Originally Posted by tbs2014 View Post

      I still feel I need more guidance and structured training before I could ever develop SEO or IM into a real business.
      SEO as a service is moreso about sharpening your snake oil selling skills. You game the system for the client, get them some extra traffic for a period and then Google catches on and penalizes the client. You then blame Google for what happened instead of letting on that you were playing with fire.
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    I like newbies because they help raise my infraction count

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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      I like newbies because they help raise my infraction count

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      You mean raise infractions against those newbies ? Cause you only have 2 infractions since your existence here from what I see
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  • Profile picture of the author skyro
    This is a good point. It's like when your in school and your trying to learn but don't understand and I know when i was in school a teacher told me there no such thing as a stupid question. No matter how simple it may sound you should ask. You have some experience marketers who are ashame to ask questions who needs to go back to the newbie mentality of asking. This why I like newbies. A newbie will ask any and everything because they trying to leane the business and it's from this asking that you discover new things and ideas.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      I haven't seen anyone complain about new people trying to make it a go online.

      I have seen people warn new people from selling "how to make money online products" when, they themselves, haven't made any money online.

      To me that is rather reasonable.

      Let's also not make the mistake to think all newbies are innocent.

      Many just want to make some fast cash which is why many look at selling in the IM market without every having made sales anywhere else.

      That tells me that person is not one to be trusted and is willing to scam anyone out of money.

      I suspect most here are more than happy to help someone build a long lasting business. Not so many are willing to help someone make 100 by tomorrow. There is a huge difference in mentality and many of us understand the "100 by tomorrow" people won't ever be helped nor do they want to be.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by skyro View Post

      This is a good point. It's like when your in school and your trying to learn but don't understand and I know when i was in school a teacher told me there no such thing as a stupid question. No matter how simple it may sound you should ask. You have some experience marketers who are ashame to ask questions who needs to go back to the newbie mentality of asking. This why I like newbies. A newbie will ask any and everything because they trying to leane the business and it's from this asking that you discover new things and ideas.
      Regardless of what your teacher told you, there is such a thing as a stupid question. That's a question asked and answered in the presence of the asker, and the asker couldn't be bothered to pay attention.

      Come to think of it, maybe it isn't the question that's stupid...
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  • Profile picture of the author Carter Boatright
    Seems to me a lot of people on the forum seem to think you must be an instant expert/professional in order to post advice.

    Is there some sort of badge or certification that must be obtained for this? Maybe I'm just unaware.

    I think some people seem to forget that everyone is a newbie at one point. All of the richest internet marketers had their first product launch where they took the plunge and just shared what they had to offer without being an "expert" yet. And I'm sure about 9 out of 10 times, those first product launches where complete bombs.

    Mastery can only be achieved by taking action and as long as you are doing the best you can to provide value to the customer, I see no issues.

    For newbies: If you're actively educating yourself on a topic, you should be sharing what you've learned with others. Because if you don't, you will likely forget what you've learned and you will never dive deep enough into a topic or niche.

    Simply reading a book or watching a video is never enough, it's too passive. Sharing information with others is one really effective tool for internalizing information and this forum is one way of doing this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roth
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      Originally Posted by Carter Boatright View Post

      Seems to me a lot of people on the forum seem to think you must be an instant expert/professional in order to post advice.
      No, but you have to EARN your right to post advice. It's called PAYING YOUR DUES.

      Originally Posted by Carter Boatright View Post

      Is there some sort of badge or certification that must be obtained for this? Maybe I'm just unaware.
      Google Certifications...
      College Degrees...
      Hubspot Certifications...

      Things like that. People like me have spent years honing their craft: received Bachelors degrees, tried, failed, learned, earned, and have various certifications. It's insulting when people think those things are inconsequential. They're not.

      Originally Posted by Carter Boatright View Post

      I think some people seem to forget that everyone is a newbie at one point. All of the richest internet marketers had their first product launch where they took the plunge and just shared what they had to offer without being an "expert" yet. And I'm sure about 9 out of 10 times, those first product launches where complete bombs.
      So what? There's also more to IM than selling how to make money products. Just in case you were unaware. Many people seem to be oblivious to this. They seem to think that IM is only selling how-to products.

      Originally Posted by Carter Boatright View Post

      Mastery can only be achieved by taking action and as long as you are doing the best you can to provide value to the customer, I see no issues.
      ...and receive the proper credentials. Again, people go to school for 8+ years in order to sell BS...they're called Lawyers.

      Originally Posted by Carter Boatright View Post

      For newbies: If you're actively educating yourself on a topic, you should be sharing what you've learned with others. Because if you don't, you will likely forget what you've learned and you will never dive deep enough into a topic or niche.
      No...they shouldn't. And if they'll "forget" what they've learned if they don't share it...then they haven't learned anything useful.

      Originally Posted by Carter Boatright View Post

      Simply reading a book or watching a video is never enough, it's too passive. Sharing information with others is one really effective tool for internalizing information and this forum is one way of doing this.
      There's nothing passive about it. And books and other forms of media ARE sharing information. Duh?
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