Contacting Dealers To Deliver Instead of Sending All Traffic To Amazon

by nik0 Banned
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I was thinking, why send all traffic to Amazon for a tiny 7 percent comission.

Why not contact dealers and ask them how much they are willing to pay for a steady stream of new customers.

I'm becoming quite successful in certain niches where I turn around nearly $10.000,- in revenue a month. That's quite a lot of business for some small distributor/dealer don't you think? I only get like $700 from that while I bet he makes margins like 40 percent, in other words he buys stock for let's say $6000,- so there's a margin of $4000,- left, I bet he would be prepared to pay me a little more then just 7 percent, especially if I expand on the niche and bring him $20k business a month or more. Heck good be life changing for some small ass dealer.

I wish I had someone come to me when I ran a shop and bring me $20k/month extra revenue.

Anyone tried this?

It's a shame I don't live in the US or I would've been a dealer myself already of several brands / types of products I promote.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

    I was thinking, why send all traffic to Amazon for a tiny 7 percent comission.
    Because the recognition and security of Amazon's brand-name makes the conversion-rates dramatically higher than anywhere else? That's my reason, anyway.

    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

    I wish I had someone come to me when I ran a shop and bring me $20k/month extra revenue.

    Anyone tried this?
    I haven't, but I take your point and see that it could, perhaps, work for you ... if your customers don't need that brand-name recognition, to keep buying. For myself, feedback from subscribers across a wide range of niches tells me that huge numbers of people are willing to buy stuff from Amazon just "because it's Amazon" (and quite often they already have an account there anyway).

    Also, when my customers buy at Amazon, I get some commission on additional items they buy, which I haven't even promoted at all. And that can add up to quite a bit of extra money. Quite often, just "being sent to Amazon" reminds people of other, unrelated things they were about to buy.


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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Because the recognition and security of Amazon's brand-name makes the conversion-rates dramatically higher than anywhere else? That's my reason, anyway.

      I haven't, but I take your point and see that it could, perhaps, work for you ... if your customers don't need that brand-name recognition, to keep buying. For myself, feedback from subscribers across a wide range of niches tells me that huge numbers of people are willing to buy stuff from Amazon just "because it's Amazon" (and quite often they already have an account there anyway).

      Also, when my customers buy at Amazon, I get some commission on additional items they buy, which I haven't even promoted at all. And that can add up to quite a bit of extra money. Quite often, just "being sent to Amazon" reminds people of other, unrelated things they were about to buy..
      You are aware that Amazon's warranty for products is pretty crappy? They often force you to get in touch with the manufacturer and you're completely on your own, no one to help or advise.

      If I buy a specific product I would rather purchase it at a shop specialized in these type of things. Obvious that depends on the product, and my niches would be a good match for that.

      A professional appearing webshop with all bells and whistles can give people a secure feeling, offer a lot more useful advice and you might have a customer for life, back it up with social proof, eg active on several social media platforms, have your own user reviews etc etc.

      I personally find that the additional purchases benefit is HUGELY over rated.

      Let me check it right now for you, well now is a bit of a bad time as it's christmas time now and black friday and all so let's look at last month instead.

      I sold that month for $241,- in a certain niche and only $8,90 were unrelated products, so hardly worth mentioning. Thing is my focus is on items of $100+, and people don't start randomly buying such priced items, instead they buy some cheap crap that results in penny commisions.

      Can't say Amazon converts that well either, if I don't actively presell and just push them the conversion is less then 1 percent (that is by using cloaking techniques), but if Amazon would convert so great I suspect that to be a lot higher as the visitors are very targeted. When I presell them a little bit Amazon converts them at 5 percent, which is still pretty damn low.

      Hell when I had my own shop and people phoned me for information or emailed me my conversion rate was 70-80 percent so imagine what happens when I attach a phone number to such site sure not everybody calls but I bet I convert way better then Amazon.

      Look at it like this:

      1000 people are searching for "best this" or "that review", they end up on my site, about 300 people end up on Amazon. There they convert at 5 percent so that is 15 sales out of a 1000 people that are very interested in the product.

      Does that suck or not?

      Worse of all what we totally forget, the Amazon cookie ONLY lasts 24 hours, after that we lose them. Hell no that when the customer needs a little more time (cause he's waiting for his pay check) he's going to visit my site again instead of going straight away to Amazon, after all that's where we send them in the first place. There's zero incentive for them to visit us again as they already received the information they need.
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      • Profile picture of the author KirkMcD
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        You are aware that Amazon's warranty for products is pretty crappy? They often force you to get in touch with the manufacturer and you're completely on your own, no one to help or advise.
        Amazon doesn't Warranty anything.
        If a product is defective outside of the return period, of course you have to deal with the manufacturer, just like most companies.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by KirkMcD View Post

          Amazon doesn't Warranty anything.
          If a product is defective outside of the return period, of course you have to deal with the manufacturer, just like most companies.
          Just like most companies, is that how it works in the US?

          In my own country I just return the item to the shop where I bought it where they either repair it so that I have it back in a few days or the same day, or they send it to the manufacturer.
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      • Profile picture of the author luku
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        I personally find that the additional purchases benefit is HUGELY over rated.

        Let me check it right now for you, well now is a bit of a bad time as it's christmas time now and black friday and all so let's look at last month instead.

        I sold that month for $241,- in a certain niche and only $8,90 were unrelated products, so hardly worth mentioning. Thing is my focus is on items of $100+, and people don't start randomly buying such priced items, instead they buy some cheap crap that results in penny commisions.
        My experience is quite opposite. I also do sell higher ticket items, like $100 - $400 but in my case 30% - 40% of sales comes from third party products which i have not recommended directly ("extra items"). So your % is low, mine is high - i think it pretty much varies depending on the niche. Also, take total volumes into account. By selling dozens of those smaller $5 - $80 extra products sold i can keep my commision on the 7 - 8% level so i actually like (and need) those extra sales even if the commission per item is tiny.

        I think it would be very, very difficult to achieve the kind of conversion effectiveness (and revenue) i get from non-Amazon channels. FYI I experimented a bit and linked some of the items on my review site to a third party store (through a share-a-sale, with 90 day cookie) and got $0,00 sales from quite a decent numbers of clicks...so you can compare by yourself.

        Lukas
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by luku View Post

          My experience is quite opposite. I also do sell higher ticket items, like $100 - $400 but in my case 30% - 40% of sales comes from third party products which i have not recommended directly ("extra items"). So your % is low, mine is high - i think it pretty much varies depending on the niche. Also, take total volumes into account. By selling dozens of those smaller $5 - $80 extra products sold i can keep my commision on the 7 - 8% level so i actually like (and need) those extra sales even if the commission per item is tiny.

          I think it would be very, very difficult to achieve the kind of conversion effectiveness (and revenue) i get from non-Amazon channels. FYI I experimented a bit and linked some of the items on my review site to a third party store (through a share-a-sale, with 90 day cookie) and got $0,00 sales from quite a decent numbers of clicks...so you can compare by yourself.

          Lukas
          That is a world of difference indeed.

          My niche is mostly electrical appliances, think of juicers, blenders, and that kind of stuff, the other stuff they order is perhaps some recipe book that gives me 30 cent commissions. Maybe if I get out of the kitchen appliances I start to make better sales.

          I also did mattresses, then you upsell a bit more, but also not great as it's mostly covers for pillows and such and those are dirt cheap as well.

          Thanks for sharing your experience with 3d party stores.

          I used to be a pretty damn good seller myself when I had a shop, converted almost every customer cause i had knowledge, but for my sites I don't have the knowledge and I defintiely don't write the content myself so maybe that's the whole issue here, will try soon with some better writers to see if that makes any difference.

          I tested some writers lately on this forum, results:

          - 2 ran away with my money $1.60/100 words and $2/100 words and never delivered (multiple disputes going on but I bet they long with drawed the money already and after they can say goodbye to their Paypal account and I can say good bye to my money that most likely disappeared already.

          - 1 never delivered but refunded eventually $3/100 words writer

          That was my experience with better writers :s, then I tested a bunch of $1,- / $1,20 writers as well, but that was all the same basic crap that I get for $0,80/100 words from my own writers.

          Ain't too easy to find decent writers lol.
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          • Profile picture of the author luku
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            I used to be a pretty damn good seller myself when I had a shop, converted almost every customer cause i had knowledge, but for my sites I don't have the knowledge and I defintiely don't write the content myself so maybe that's the whole issue here, will try soon with some better writers to see if that makes any difference.

            I tested some writers lately on this forum, results:

            - 2 ran away with my money $1.60/100 words and $2/100 words and never delivered (multiple disputes going on but I bet they long with drawed the money already and after they can say goodbye to their Paypal account and I can say good bye to my money that most likely disappeared already.

            - 1 never delivered but refunded eventually $3/100 words writer

            That was my experience with better writers :s, then I tested a bunch of $1,- / $1,20 writers as well, but that was all the same basic crap that I get for $0,80/100 words from my own writers.
            Yes it is difficult to find a quality content. I'add few cents here from my perspective. So i've been doing IM just for a few months. I knew almost nothing about making money online back in May this year, nor had any bloggin experience. In June i started my first Amazon affiliate site and one thing i wanted to have from Day 1 was a superb quality content - a fun to read, engaging, well structured and informative. I knew the quality costs and found a talented writer on Elance who's been charging me $30 - $35 per 1000 word article. It may sound above the average but i didn't mind paying $5 or $10 when i knew the quality was awesome.

            Few months later, all articles have made ROI and last Friday and i had my first ever $100 day, yuppie! All of that with just ~20,000 words on my website.

            To sum up, my advice is to never, ever invest into cheap content that brings no value to the reader. Pay a little more and that will pay off. Elance is full of creative writers that you can speak to individually and make sure they do proper research before they start writing.
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by luku View Post

              Yes it is difficult to find a quality content. I'add few cents here from my perspective. So i've been doing IM just for a few months. I knew almost nothing about making money online back in May this year, nor had any bloggin experience. In June i started my first Amazon affiliate site and one thing i wanted to have from Day 1 was a superb quality content - a fun to read, engaging, well structured and informative. I knew the quality costs and found a talented writer on Elance who's been charging me $30 - $35 per 1000 word article. It may sound above the average but i didn't mind paying $5 or $10 when i knew the quality was awesome.

              Few months later, all articles have made ROI and last Friday and i had my first ever $100 day, yuppie! All of that with just ~20,000 words on my website.

              To sum up, my advice is to never, ever invest into cheap content that brings no value to the reader. Pay a little more and that will pay off. Elance is full of creative writers that you can speak to individually and make sure they do proper research before they start writing.
              Great story and real quick to make your first $100 day, most can't say that though most get writers at $10/1000 words or more likely $5/500 words.

              Where do you get your traffic from and did you build any links? I suppose it didn't acquire traffic in auto mode just because you published good content right?

              Most of my sites have content at the $5/500 words range and quite a few reviews are only 300-400 words on my sites. I've been a little aggressive with the link building though which worked out so so. My bounce rate is awful though but I don't see that as a large ranking factor.

              Can you tell me about your conversion rate at Amazon itself?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        You are aware that Amazon's warranty for products is pretty crappy? They often force you to get in touch with the manufacturer and you're completely on your own, no one to help or advise.
        Just like if you bought it in any other shop, you mean?

        That's completely normal, in retail: of course customers are dependent on the manufacturer's warranty.

        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        I personally find that the additional purchases benefit is HUGELY over rated.
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Can't say Amazon converts that well either, if I don't actively presell and just push them the conversion is less then 1 percent
        Wow - well, I must admit I'd be very unhappy with any Amazon conversion percentage in single figures at all.

        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        When I presell them a little bit Amazon converts them at 5 percent, which is still pretty damn low.
        Agreed - very low.

        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Does that suck or not?
        It does. I would also be extremely dissatisfied with that. (I wouldn't be trying to improve things by not promoting from Amazon, though: I think I'd be trying to treble my conversion-rates by improving my pre-selling skills, to be honest.) Like those of others posting above, apparently, my conclusion is very different because my experiences are just very different from yours.


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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Just like if you bought it in any other shop, you mean?

          That's completely normal, in retail: of course customers are dependent on the manufacturer's warranty.
          In the US perhaps, not in my country where I have to go back to the shop and they either repair it / replace it or in case it's some electronics they send it back to the manufacturer. That's what a real shop is for, to deliver some extra service.

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          It does. I would also be extremely dissatisfied with that. (I wouldn't be trying to improve things by not promoting from Amazon, though: I think I'd be trying to treble my conversion-rates by improving my pre-selling skills, to be honest.) Like those of others posting above, apparently, my conclusion is very different because my experiences are just very different from yours.
          Conversions are very niche dependant so without knowing what niche you're active in there is not much to compare really.

          I look at my overall conversions though, multiple niches combined, mostly $100+ products, and that is about 5 percent, when I compare this to other Amazon affiliate marketers it seems they all hang around 5 percent, haven't met any exceptions so far. In fact when you look at it per client it's even less as some clients buy multiple products at once.

          What's funny about all this, I did a test:

          - A link on the homepage (where most of the traffic comes) that gives visitors the idea they go to another section on my site but instead they end up on Amazon

          vs

          - The link does lead to the different section on my site

          Some stats:

          - Monetized Homepage: 40 percent CTR
          - Monetized Inner page: 25 percent CTR

          So on that inner page they are presold, now let's look at conversions on Amazon.

          Client comes from homepage 5 percent conversion
          Client comes from inner page 3 percent conversion

          How odd is that?

          That means much less customers to Amazon, and a worse conversion as well.

          It can make a difference between a site making $200/month vs $600/month.

          Since then I obvious directly link from the homepage to Amazon.

          My reviews are informative, nothing to special, maybe that turns people off.
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          • Profile picture of the author 2pat
            I believe in each country, we all have our buying habits, to whom buy and why.
            What is true in one country is probably not in another.
            Internet has not yet fully standardized on the planet our reflexes such purchases to shop or another.
            Nice day to all of you
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            In the US perhaps, not in my country
            Sorry - I hadn't realised you were promoting only in Thailand. I'm extremely surprised. I've never been to the US, myself, but "I am not my customer", as the saying goes, and many of my niche subscribers certainly seem to buy from amazon.com, anyway, so perhaps they live there? But if yours don't, I'm wondering whether some kind of "cultural differences" like that might account for your experiences being so very different from those of the people responding to your thread. Just don't know - sorry.

            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Conversions are very niche dependant
            Mine aren't, so much. But I'm in only 9 specific niches (+ a couple of "gifty" sites not really tied to any specific niche), and again, the demographics of your business may be all different from mine, so I'm no help to you at all, really.

            I don't think I'd be able to get the Amazon conversions you already have, without list-building, anyway: I never really expect to be able to make affiliate sales "off the page" without pre-selling by email (and wouldn't really want to try that) - the primary purpose of all my "money sites" is to collect the visitors' email addresses: I can't make all the "repeat sales" without that, and that's where most of the long-term income is, in affiliate marketing.

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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              Sorry - I hadn't realised you were promoting only in Thailand. I'm extremely surprised. I've never been to the US, myself, but "I am not my customer", as the saying goes, and many of my niche subscribers certainly seem to buy from amazon.com, anyway, so perhaps they live there? But if yours don't, I'm wondering whether some kind of "cultural differences" like that might account for your experiences being so very different from those of the people responding to your thread. Just don't know - sorry.
              Nice try.

              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              Mine aren't, so much. But I'm in only 9 specific niches (+ a couple of "gifty" sites not really tied to any specific niche), and again, the demographics of your business may be all different from mine, so I'm no help to you at all, really.

              I don't think I'd be able to get the Amazon conversions you already have, without list-building, anyway: I never really expect to be able to make affiliate sales "off the page" without pre-selling by email (and wouldn't really want to try that) - the primary purpose of all my "money sites" is to collect the visitors' email addresses: I can't make all the "repeat sales" without that, and that's where most of the long-term income is, in affiliate marketing.
              There's nothing more easy then selling off the page, that's what SEO is for, catching people that are already looking to buy something but I understand you don't SEO your sites so it's comparing apples to oranges.
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              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                I understand you don't SEO your sites
                I do the usual on-page SEO, and like any article marketer, of course I accumulate for my own sites the initial indexations of content subsequently widely syndicated, so that Google recognizes the authority status of my sites as the "sites from which" ... etc. etc.

                I don't need to "do off-page SEO" because high rankings for multiple keywords of medium and medium-to-high competitiveness happens to be a side-benefit of the major traffic-generation method I use, with all its powerful linkjuice from the relevant-site backlinks one inevitably builds up, including some from real authority-sites.

                So I get floods of search engine visitors across a wide range of niches.

                As so many affiliate marketers tend to find, though, search engine visitors to all my websites typically stay the least time, view the fewest pages, opt in the least often and actually buy anything by far the least often.

                And as you've evidently discovered, yourself, it isn't easy even for the almost-universal credibility of Amazon sales/order pages to convert them well, at all.

                I always suggest to aspiring affiliate marketers having conversion-rate difficulties of the type you describe, above, that they shouldn't put time and effort into trying to attract SEO traffic, partly for that reason, but also because it's obviously very precarious and doing so makes your business Google-dependent. Any business that's Google-dependent for its primary traffic is no more than one algorithm-change away from a potential accident (or even a potential disaster!), as so many Warriors have obviously been finding out over the last year or two - some of them to their very great cost.

                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                so it's comparing apples to oranges.
                Indeed. Exactly my point, above. About that, anyway, we clearly agree.


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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                  I do the usual on-page SEO, and like any article marketer, of course I accumulate for my own sites the initial indexations of content subsequently widely syndicated, so that Google recognizes the authority status of my sites as the "sites from which" ... etc. etc.

                  I don't need to "do off-page SEO" because high rankings for multiple keywords of medium and medium-to-high competitiveness happens to be a side-benefit of the major traffic-generation method I use, with all its powerful linkjuice from the relevant-site backlinks one inevitably builds up, including some from real authority-sites.

                  So I get floods of search engine visitors across a wide range of niches.

                  As so many affiliate marketers tend to find, though, search engine visitors to all my websites typically stay the least time, view the fewest pages, opt in the least often and actually buy anything by far the least often.

                  And as you've evidently discovered, yourself, it isn't easy even for the almost-universal credibility of Amazon sales/order pages to convert them well, at all.
                  Nice to know, kind of makes sense then for me to send them straight away to Amazon instead of trying to keep them on my site any longer then needed. Also good to reduce bounce rate

                  I love SEO though, afterall it's my profession, but not just cause of that, it's so damn easy, you rank a site and it makes money without having to do anything more with it, can't imagine something more passive then that.

                  Look at me, I had 20 sites tank during Penguin 3.0, I made a few adjustments and most recovered, but that's not the point, even when they were tanked they still brought in a $500/month purely passive income and I didn't see that disappearing any time soon. Yes $500 is peanuts for the both of us but it's still money that keeps on flowing for zero efforts, (after 10 years that is $60.000,-, can buy a nice condo for that in Thailand), and my investments were already recouped.

                  Now they make $2000/month combined and once again, I don't have to do anything about them (unless I want them to generate more income of course).


                  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                  I always suggest to aspiring affiliate marketers having conversion-rate difficulties of the type you describe, above, that they shouldn't put time and effort into trying to attract SEO traffic, partly for that reason, but also because it's obviously very precarious and doing so makes your business Google-dependent. Any business that's Google-dependent for its primary traffic is no more than one algorithm-change away from a potential accident (or even a potential disaster!), as so many Warriors have obviously been finding out over the last year or two - some of them to their very great cost.

                  Indeed. Exactly my point, above. About that, anyway, we clearly agree. .
                  I agree with that, SEO can be quite turbulent, especially for newbie's that don't know what they are doing and even for more experienced guys like me, but I learn a lot from it and I like that learning curve. Google is my greatest teacher and literally forces me to improve, that's a great stick behind the door to stay motivated

                  Some day I do expect to be compliant with what Google wants, till then we keep on fooling them with more advanced methods. That last Penguin 3.0 update was a real joke, though thank god that they launched a refresh only a month after.

                  All I did was using excerpts on my private blog network categories and homepages and that was all that was needed to recover. Links next to other irrelevant links are the pure evil now, glad we got that figured out

                  Your alternative sounds much harder though and it requires a lot of attention, for a start you need great content and that's very hard to get at affordable rates (I got scammed almost 3 times while trying) and that's not even the best content probably.

                  Secondly, where to get traffic? Yes I learned you advertise in newsletters and you have your group of people now, I bet that took a long time to build up and a lot of advertising money, paid advertising rarely works out well the first time, requires a lot of split testing.

                  Then you need to keep in touch with your list, as soon as you quit or seek shortcuts they lose faith in you and you lose them. Not easy to come up with creative topics each time to entertain your list, you need certain skills for that that many don't posses.

                  So it requires quite a bit of learning money to get started and to get it all right and no guarantee for success.

                  Pretty similar to SEO really if you want to do it decently '

                  So let's agree that making money online isn't as easy as most make it sound.

                  Once you master it all you can make huge amounts of money, whether it's with SEO or with building lists.

                  I know you will say something like you can make money from a list forever but it also requires effort forever, while I can lay back in between the updates and do nothing if I really want to, that's the huge benefit of SEO and most newbies are in it for the passive dream, SEO can provide that while that's much harder to accomplish with your methods. So each has it's own unique benefits. I like the passive dream too much
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    If you look at most other retail companies that offer a referral program, most pay 5%-8% which isn't much better than Amazon.

    Amazon does a great job of converting and re-marketing the traffic you send.

    If you mean for a bigger chunk than an affiliate commission then you are getting into reseller and wholesale territory and e-commerce which is a whole different thing than referral traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

      If you look at most other retail companies that offer a referral program, most pay 5%-8% which isn't much better than Amazon.

      Amazon does a great job of converting and re-marketing the traffic you send.

      If you mean for a bigger chunk than an affiliate commission then you are getting into reseller and wholesale territory and e-commerce which is a whole different thing than referral traffic.
      That's what I'm talking about, finding a dealer that buys directly from the wholesaler, he makes 30-40 percent margin at least, often more. If I bring him tons of customers , that he would otherwise never get, he can give me a good percentage in return.

      You know one product type is quite hobby related, in the past in Holland I regularly walked past a shop selling these things, it looked all dusty, but he was always open, never ever did I see a customer inside, he must hardly be able to pay the rent for his crappy shop.

      Or take tons of other shops that are struggling to survive, if you aren't online you miss a ton of sales, instead of selling them a site and SEO service (which probably never happens as those people are impossible to convince) I rather take a different piece of the pie, eg a much larger piece.

      Anyway, seems no one tried it or doesn't want to talk about it, all well, got to pick up the phone myself then.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      There actually is a tremendous marketing advantage for Amazon affiliates, with millions of products immediately available for sale without having to go through any third party approval. Getting separate agreements with individual dealers would most likely be a slow slogging process.

      The trade-off of potentially higher commissions would be lost through additional marketing expenses and potentially a waste of time. The genius of Amazon is its leveraged marketing agility, which is largely unbeatable as an affiliate platform, especially in the most competitive (and lucrative) niches.

      However, what I have done over the years in addition to Amazon, was to promote other affiliate programs to my lists and made sales commission through arrangements with individual equipment dealers (not Amazon advertisers). But I don't believe anyone will give you much more than what you can make with Amazon's top tier.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        There actually is a tremendous marketing advantage for Amazon affiliates, with millions of products immediately available for sale without having to go through any third party approval. Getting separate agreements with individual dealers would most likely be a slow slogging process.

        The trade-off of potentially higher commissions would be lost through additional marketing expenses and potentially a waste of time. The genius of Amazon is its leveraged marketing agility, which is largely unbeatable as an affiliate platform, especially in the most competitive (and lucrative) niches.

        However, what I have done over the years in addition to Amazon, was to promote other affiliate programs to my lists and made sales commission through arrangements with individual equipment dealers (not Amazon advertisers). But I don't believe anyone will give you much more than what you can make with Amazon's top tier.
        Greedy *******s lol.

        Well then there's only one thing to do for me once I become tired of Thailand, and that's moving to the states and open a company there and become dealer myself as I know I can easily make 10 times more then I now do. Only for the fact that my visitors don't get cut from 1000 to 300 by sending them to Amazon, that already increases sales with factor 3, then a margin that's 3-4 times as large. Can't be bothered with costs for a small location / showroom as the larger brands might have some requirements.
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