What's With All These Angry Beggars?

by Tim Whiston 48 replies
This is a great forum. And I really love the WSO section.

I'm not well-known here but I do pretty well with my WSO's and I support other Warriors whenever I can. But there's one thing that really gets to me and I wonder if anyone else is experiencing this...

About half the time when I post a WSO I get multiple PMs from people asking if I'll give them the product for free. That in itself is a little strange but here's where it gets sort of humorous.

I recently decided I'd had enough and I responded to two such fellows with a bit of straight talk. I wasn't necessarily mean, I just told them they should have a little more respect for themselves and if they couldn't swing $17 maybe they should rethink this whole "owning a business on the Web" thing.

That makes perfect sense to me. I don't think it's mean at all and my intention was just to give a little "tough love".

Today I have received three messages from two of these bozos spitting all manner of insult and so forth. I've been told I have no respect for my customers, my business is doomed to fail, and I'll pay the price of karma someday because I didn't give them my product for free.

I guess this irks me because I really do try to help. My business does very well these days and I do want to see other people succeed as well.

But I really don't think giving away a bunch of freebies is productive for anyone involved. Would someone really appreciate and take advantage of a free course?

It's hilarious that these people then turn around and act like angry customers. They wanted a handout, didn't get it, and then have the nerve to tell me I suck and don't know how to treat my customers.

Ah well. It just upset me a little but I guess I should get over it.

Has anyone else had excessive experience with WSO beggars, especially of the angry variety, or am I just somehow attracting these people?
#main internet marketing discussion forum #angry #beggars
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    Many studies have shown that people value information and advice based very heavily on what they pay for it.

    In many cases you're doing your clients a favor by making them pay for your high quality information and doing them a disservice by giving them the information free.

    Think of your own behavior.

    When you go through the process of actually deciding to buy...to part with your hard earned cash...aren't you more likely to use or read the product you buy?

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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Whiston
      Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

      Many studies have shown that people value information and advice based very heavily on what they pay for it.

      In many cases you're doing your clients a favor by making them pay for your high quality information and doing them a disservice by giving them the information free.

      Think of your own behavior.

      When you go through the process of actually deciding to buy...to part with your hard earned cash...aren't you more likely to use or read the product you buy?

      Kindest regards,
      Andrew Cavanagh
      Absolutely Andrew! I totally agree with you.

      Free gifts have their place but for the most part I think people will fail to see the value in a complete course if you just hand it to them.
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      • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
        Hi!

        Im a newbie but I get your point. We have little respect for what we easily get.

        However, as a creative alternative/solution you may give them may just a few chapter out of the kindness of your heart and also as a TEASER! :-) for them to shell-out that precious $17.

        Hope this helps
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        • Profile picture of the author Carol J Smith
          I'm just a newbie, so I don't look at things from the same perspective as you. However, I kind of agree with the above post, and try and turn their inquiry into a sale.

          I don't think insults on either side helps at all.

          Carol
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        • Profile picture of the author Tim Whiston
          Originally Posted by rapidscc View Post

          Hi!

          Im a newbie but I get your point. We have little respect for what we easily get.

          However, as a creative alternative/solution you may give them may just a few chapter out of the kindness of your heart and also as a TEASER! :-) for them to shell-out that precious $17.

          Hope this helps
          We're all new at some point. And I understand people have cash money problems at times.

          Years ago I lived in a car - yes really - so I know about money troubles. It's not my intent to look down on people who are broke.

          At the same time when a person is really that broke I don't think an Internet marketing course is what they need. They probably need to get out and pull weeds for $10 an hour or anything else they can come up with to make cash fast.

          When your water is about to be turned off for non-payment and you can't afford to put gas in your car it's probably not the ideal time to think about starting a business.
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          • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
            Originally Posted by Tim Whiston View Post

            We're all new at some point. And I understand people have cash money problems at times.

            Years ago I lived in a car - yes really - so I know about money troubles. It's not my intent to look down on people who are broke.

            At the same time when a person is really that broke I don't think an Internet marketing course is what they need. They probably need to get out and pull weeds for $10 an hour or anything else they can come up with to make cash fast.

            When your water is about to be turned off for non-payment and you can't afford to put gas in your car it's probably not the ideal time to think about starting a business.
            tim... I agree with you 100% on this. HOWEVER...

            At times people are broke because things turn out unexpectedly. At that time people do have to take up new businesses IF they were considering it in the past and haver knowledge about it... at least upto a satisfactory extent.

            So yes, I started my business in IM when I was not just broke... I was even underaged. I had just lost a precious part time job and also have a family to take care of. I kew a lot abouty Im from many observatios and interactions with guru's and experts and I started my business THEn.

            Of course many people might say that was not the right time to have started. I won't disagree... but I will never Agree as well. Internet means so much to me. As simple as that.

            With that said, I would also like to add that I never wanted anything for free... and I always paid for my knowledge and experience. Severla coaching -programs and 2000 dollars seminars down the line, I can see how right those decisions were.

            So yeah while you are right in stating everything regarding those people that want free lunch, I have to say this... the right time to start anything is NOW.

            Just that you have to be committed to take action. Just that you need to worry about taking action and not the results. Fail fast to succeed fast.
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            • Profile picture of the author Carol J Smith
              Your best bet is to just ignore the request, if you're not interested in it. I've learned the hard way that arguing with customers is always counterproductive.

              It's probably not right to ask for freebies, but probably not smart to tell them to have respect for themselves either.

              Just my .02

              Carol

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              • Profile picture of the author Leigh Burke
                I don't think you can technically call these people customers as they haven't bought anything from you! Just my 2 cents. Ignore them, they'll go away. They probably send the same PM to 10 or 20 WSOs, and can't even remember who they have PMed! The same thing goes on at DP. Except there, it is not PMs, it is in the thread!
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              • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
                Originally Posted by Carol J Smith View Post

                Your best bet is to just ignore the request, if you're not interested in it. I've learned the hard way that arguing with customers is always counterproductive.

                It's probably not right to ask for freebies, but probably not smart to tell them to have respect for themselves either.

                Just my .02

                Carol

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                Well said Carol

                Dude, your much better ignoring these requests instead of taking on the role of advisor to somebody or bodies who you know absolutely nothing about.

                Fundamentally I agree with what Andrew posted, though there are exceptions. I have found that friends Ive given access to my products for free generally do not use them and get the benefits from them. why? because it was for free.. if they paid the retail price they'd make sure they got their value from them..

                Re exceptions.

                I have created a lot of faithful customers by offering up products, that they cannot afford. To some this product can make the difference to being successful and making money to start purchasing products. These customers will stick with you and be very loyal..

                Whats it cost you anyways? a couple of cyber digits.

                personally I don't see any reason to treat perspective customers with any "uncalled for" advice.

                I'll get upset of some emails, PM's whatever. I'll reply to them, to get it out.. then just not send it Im happy again LOL

                Cheers

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                • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
                  If you blanket each request you get under the guise of a opportunity seeker..

                  then you will miss out helping those who truly can do with a bit of support..

                  I generate a LOT of sales and get a LOT of requests like the above.. though treating people like humans and not beggars is just not that hard IMO

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                    • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
                      Adam that's a great idea for people who really want to get on in this business.

                      The problem is that a lot of the people who ask for the wso for free, are new here and have one intention and that is to pass it around for nothing.

                      I've had people who ask for help or a product for nothing, and I tend to take a look at what they have posted and see if they really do want help or just a freebie seeker.

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                        • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
                          I'm with What the big Greek sez.

                          I've also given free copies away of a particular product to people who have asked, but maybe I've been lucky cos they have always asked me to consider an exchange of some sort.

                          I often don't use it, but the fact they were offering something in return usually swings it for me and proves they are on the level

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                          • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
                            Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

                            I'm with What the big Greek sez.

                            I've also given free copies away of a particular product to people who have asked, but maybe I've been lucky cos they have always asked me to consider an exchange of some sort.

                            I often don't use it, but the fact they were offering something in return usually swings it for me and proves they are on the level

                            Cheers
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                            I know what you mean...

                            There have been times where clients have asked me if they can pay later, after launching a WSO or something. It all depends on how they ask as to what response they get. I sometimes end up just letting them have a freebie (depending on how I'm doing in the month.)
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                            • Speaking to you now as a former broke person, I'd like to talk about the opposite side of this equation. Specifically, how I got free products and help from several Warriors.

                              First, I made sure I worked hard every day and posted about my progress, in detail. Second, I made a post where I declared "I do not want a mentor or freebies".

                              I got both products and help for free. That's because I walked the walk FIRST. I NEVER went begging for stuff I couldn't afford. Anybody who goes begging for free stuff in here doesn't get it!
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                              • Profile picture of the author Tim Whiston
                                Thanks for the feedback. Just to be clear I'm not against giving things away.

                                In fact in the War Room right now I'm giving away access to my $37 Website Creation Course. And I have multiple freebie offers that I feel are valuable enough to sell.

                                I've even given paid products away if it felt right.

                                But given the pricing and nature of this specific product it seemed highly inappropriate to give it away so I said no. And now I've blocked PMs from the two guys who had hissy fits on me about it - I should have just thought of that before but it didn't even occur to me.

                                Anyway onward and upward.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Carol J Smith
                                  In some ways, because I'm just starting out in my internet business endeavors, I feel that most of you in this forum has forgotten how to market.

                                  Everyone in this forum talks about thinking outside the box. Well this is one of those times. Why not turn every inquiry into a possible sale?

                                  Possibly ask them for $12.00 for the product plus a testimonial. I think that would easily make up for the $5.00 off

                                  Maybe ask them if they could type something up in exchange for your report.

                                  I guess this is just coming from someone who is still clawing for customers, but thinking a little bit outside the box goes a long way towards creating another customer and another person on your list.

                                  Again I'm coming from the perspective of a seller needing buyers, as opposed to the rest of you as sellers who can be much more choosy.

                                  When you do something that gives a customer a little better value, you may turn that into a customer for life. Especially if your product actually works.

                                  Carol
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                                      Possibly ask them for $12.00 for the product plus a testimonial. I think that would easily make up for the $5.00 off
                                      So - those who spend their money on the WSO get had because a few cry "broke" and get a better price? Is this someone you want a "testimonial" from?

                                      These aren't customers - they are leeches. They have no respect for the business of others but everything is "me me me" and "I want" and "I deserve". It won't matter how kindly you answer them - if you don't give them what they want, they'll be angry.

                                      When someone offers to "barter" for a product, that may be different. I've traded WSO's for custom graphics, a set of articles, etc - but that was an even trade to people who respectfully asked for a way to get the WSO but couldn't afford it at the time. Working with someone to find a solution is great - but not the same as giving in to rude demands.

                                      I think it's the same few people trying to get WSO's for free - and each time someone gives it to them, it reinforces their feeling that it's "owed" to them.

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                                      • Profile picture of the author Tim Whiston
                                        Thinking outside the box is good stuff. But I only want to do business with people who are a good fit - I'm not even worried about "losing sales" because there's no such thing.

                                        For every person that doens't buy there's another (or two) right behind them that will pay my price and love me for it.

                                        I do admit however that I should have been less of a smart-ass to these people. When I was a newbie I had Robert Puddy telling me my product was stupid and nobody wanted it and to get a clue and come to his seminar to learn some things.

                                        I went to the event and never went back to my day job afterwards. That was in 2005.

                                        My point is I don't get offended when one entrepreneur gives me a kick in the butt. But I also shouldn't ASSume others will be fine with my telling them to have a little respect and figure out a way to generate the $17.

                                        Live and Learn across the board I suppose...

                                        Originally Posted by Paul Buckley View Post

                                        You see, I live in my car NOW, Tim
                                        Wow man - and you still find the time to post? You seem to be taking it pretty well.

                                        I'm not sure if I had such a positive attitude during my little "stretch". I believe Paul that one day you will look back on your current situation and find the good and the benefit.

                                        It will make a heck of a chapter when you're selling your success story one day.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author trafficwave
                                          Just my take, but when someone comes right out and just tells me I should give them my product or service for free, I find the "delete" key to be quite helpful.

                                          Someone that has a compelling story and is asking for genuine HELP (as in some sort of trade or barter) is much more likely to get a response from me.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author VulcanMan750
                                          There is plenty of free information on this forum. Probably enuff to make anyone a comfortable income. It always amazes me what people will try and get away with.

                                          I didn't realize it was so hard to register and post a few questions, there are plenty of people who will point you in the right direction. :rolleyes:.
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                                          • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
                                            I admit I have ignored these type of requests without reply.

                                            When I was broke many many years ago I used to ride a bicycle because I didn't have a car. I used to ride by the car dealer with hundreds of shiney new cars just sitting there.

                                            Often I thought "No one is using any of those cars, and I need one so badly, why can't I just have one?" Of course I know what the dealer would have said if I cycled in and asked for a free car.

                                            Sure ebooks and information do not cost much to produce and really, one could give them away without missing a beat. Still, thats not the business I'm in. My charity is given in cash to the charity of my choice and I consider that my contribution to society.

                                            Child Find is one of my favorites in case you wonder.

                                            There are people in other countries borrowing money, ( and paying it back ) with micro loans. They may borrow $200 to $900 to grease their business, and they pay it back. These people work hard and are not expecting a handout.

                                            Why should you or anyone else give away your product based on a email? Did they offer to write you an article, do some keyword research, or wash your car? No? They just want something for nothing and once they have it, you'll never hear from them again.
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                                            • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
                                              They have some nerve to feel they are "entitled" to anything in the wso.
                                              I agree if they can't afford $17, they should forget about IM and get a steady job. Just cause you can't afford something doesn't mean you deserve it for free while others should have to pay for it. I would zap these people to n/a land if I could.
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                                            • Profile picture of the author ctutt
                                              Oh my! The venomous vipers you've aroused Tim!

                                              In one of my past lives, I decided to go down to the slums of North St. Louis, MO and try to "help" people who were struggling. I did that! I "invested in" several rental properties and got actively involved in the community.

                                              Want to know what the local "game" was? GET OVER ON Mr. Tutt! (That's me) Just a few short years later I was bankrupt, bitter, hurt, disenchanted and wanting to kill some of them.

                                              There's a layer of our society that seems to feel entitled to complete support and sustenance from the rest of us. I could discuss this further but you may not want to hear it.
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                                              • Profile picture of the author Jelasco
                                                Tim, do any of these people give you a reason why you should give them your product, or do they just say "give it to me"?

                                                I'm getting emails asking for free products- they claim they are affiliates and need to evaluate the product before promoting it, yet they give no proof of their ability to sell (no website name, no list size, no background info, just "I can't promote it without seeing it"). Sometimes they don't even include their full name.

                                                Of course if they really were superaffiliates they would easily be able to afford the products (under $50) and should be better at making contact than that.

                                                I'm torn whether to even respond to these people.
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                                                  Originally Posted by Jelasco View Post

                                                  Tim, do any of these people give you a reason why you should give them your product, or do they just say "give it to me"?

                                                  I'm getting emails asking for free products- they claim they are affiliates and need to evaluate the product before promoting it, yet they give no proof of their ability to sell (no website name, no list size, no background info, just "I can't promote it without seeing it"). Sometimes they don't even include their full name.

                                                  Of course if they really were superaffiliates they would easily be able to afford the products (under $50) and should be better at making contact than that.

                                                  I'm torn whether to even respond to these people.
                                                  SuperAffiliates don't need to look for products to promote, they are busy rejecting offers and looking for the best fit.

                                                  I would be tempted to reply something like:

                                                  "Sorry I would love to give you the free widget but my company policy prohibits that.
                                                  Most of the superaffilates have already bought the product with their own cash. Its not a big deal for them to put out a few bucks.

                                                  I appreicate your willingness to promote the widget so here's what we can do.
                                                  Buy the widget, promote it, and when you get 5 or more sales I'll return your money.
                                                  You'll get it at the affilate price which is a full 50% of retail. No refunds though until you reach the magic 5 sales, which I'm sure is not a problem. "
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                                                    • Profile picture of the author camforbes
                                                      I'll chime in here just to add a bit of levity to a serious discussion... I just recently launched a follow on to a very successful product. I offered those who had invested in my previous program a "one time upgrade."

                                                      There were basically 3 different responses.

                                                      1) a BUNCH of people took me up on it. And almost all of those people are happy they did. (I'm still working with the few who aren't.)

                                                      2) I received a few comments that "it isn't fair to charge customers for your new product".

                                                      I thought "What a great idea!" so I immediately contacted Dell, Microsoft, Adobe, Chevrolet and GE and asked them them to send me all their latest products for free because I had bought their stuff in the past.

                                                      I didn't get a response from any of them... those *******S!

                                                      3) I got a couple "give it to me for free" responses, which I ignored.
                                                      (sorry if you were one of them)

                                                      But my favorite... my absolute top response... was one where the customer says:

                                                      "I never used your last product, so can you give me credit for that and let me have your new one free of charge?"

                                                      Uhhhhh. no.



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                                                      • Profile picture of the author Tim Whiston
                                                        Originally Posted by camforbes View Post


                                                        2) I received a few comments that "it isn't fair to charge customers for your new product".

                                                        I thought "What a great idea!" so I immediately contacted Dell, Microsoft, Adobe, Chevrolet and GE and asked them them to send me all their latest products for free because I had bought their stuff in the past.

                                                        I didn't get a response from any of them... those *******S!

                                                        -Cam


                                                        That's good stuff.

                                                        This convo has been useful for me. It's good to see how different people feel about this issue.

                                                        Again I'm all for giving but there's a time and place. I offer a number of high quality freebies to my site visitors and I have given some great stuff away via WSO and War Room threads.

                                                        As a member of society I also feel compelled to give to my local food drive on a regular basis. I even help feed the local stray/wild animals as much as I can.

                                                        So I'm not some harsh ******* who doesn't care about less fortunate people. It's the context of this particular scenario that perturbed me.

                                                        I feel much better after blowing off some steam and having a chat about it here.

                                                        Regarding the post about the "super affiliates" .. LOL. Oh that's a good one I'm sure we've all seen once or twice along with the "Before I buy your PLR product can I have a copy of the ebook to be sure it's up to par" line.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
                                      Your experience is a familiar one. I've been promoting anxiety-relief products for a few years now, and have learned (although I did get a good hint of it long before) that many people seeking such help are extremely skeptical. No matter how much advice you give them, they wave it off and persist with their questions without ever actually implementing the advice. Many of them also tend to have little tolerance.

                                      Occasionally, I get comments on my articles. Most of them are good feedback... they praise the content, which is great. Then, you get that small group that shoots down everything, especially when the article focuses on a particular product, like a product review. They comment that the product doesn't work, it's a scam, and how they demanded a refund, or had a bad experience with the customer service getting that refund or other help.

                                      Their response is that the people selling the products should give them away, and because they are charging money for the information, this is some sort of rip-off. Anger is predominant in their messages.

                                      When such people put those types of comments on your articles, it can be worrisome. At first I thought it would greatly affect my ability to sell the product. But I found that by responding to their comments sensibly, it brought more attention to the article. After a barrage of such comments, I regularly see a few sales trickle in after a drought.

                                      I realize this is a bit off topic... I tend to wander sometimes. :rolleyes:

                                      My point is that they cannot grasp why you would charge for information that, in their eyes, should be free. Why should they have to pay for it? Explaining the fact that the work/time/money that goes into creating the product justifies a price seems to blaze right past them.

                                      Odd mentality. That's just how people think today, I guess.

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                                • Profile picture of the author leesr
                                  I've found that the Mindset, and the Reality, is usually that "anything free is worth every cent you paid for it".

                                  That's why I've quit visiting Give-aways. At least as a taker.
                                  (My hard-drive runneth over)

                                  I would agree with the advice to ignore the request.
                                  Or maybe refer them to an on-going Give-away.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author GrantFreeman
                                    Hi Tim,

                                    "Today I have received three messages from two of these bozos spitting all manner of insult and so forth. I've been told I have no respect for my customers, my business is doomed to fail, and I'll pay the price of karma someday because I didn't give them my product for free"

                                    The insults they throw at you are often a reflection of some part of themselves. That's just the way this crazy world works. Also, people like that often have too many problems to really put what you're selling to use because they don't value themselves enough first.

                                    I keep people like that in my contacts. Not as friends, mind you, just as contacts so I can remember them later...I got a bad memory, and I'd rather not do business with people that can't even rally enough brain cells together to at least offer me a barter for my hard work.

                                    You sell great stuff by the way.

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                                    • Profile picture of the author mdunn123
                                      I know exactly what you mean Tim...

                                      But I ain't gonna get started on this conversation...

                                      If I get going...I might never stop It's something that has bothered me for a long time.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Montgomery
                                        Tim,

                                        You're right most of these people if any will never
                                        have success online.

                                        What they don't understand at all is that when you
                                        actually pay for a product then you're going to give
                                        it more of your time because something for free simply
                                        isn't worth putting as much time in as something that you
                                        have to pay for.

                                        I personally wouldn't think twice about it and wouldn't waste
                                        your time trying to reason or reply to these people.

                                        All successful people who sell online experience these issues.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                        Tim, I would never tell you how to run your business, but when people ask
                                        me for my products for free, I simply say this...

                                        "It wouldn't be fair to those who had to pay for them if I gave it to you for
                                        free, now would it?"

                                        That usually shuts them up without being confrontational and saying
                                        something that just might provoke the response that you got.

                                        Like I said, I would never try to tell you how to run your business, but this is
                                        how I handle it and it works very well as far as keeping me sane.

                                        Anyway, sorry to hear about your run in with these guys. Just shrug it off
                                        and go on with your day.

                                        They are what they are.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Paul Buckley
                                      A number of posts in this thread have brought a smile to my face and smiles are hard to come by for me these days.

                                      You see, I live in my car NOW, Tim

                                      That's right. I am literally homeless. It's a long story, not that interesting and despite the contributions of the "slings and arrows of outrageous fortune" I really don't blame anyone but myself.

                                      But don't pity me. I'm healthy and not afraid of work. I hustle enough to get by everyday without resorting to panhandling; either offline OR online

                                      I have a decent job starting in two weeks that will get me quickly back on my feet and it includes five nights/week in a hotel so that takes care of being "homeless"

                                      Until then, I get an occasional day job and every now and then some Warrior buys something from my sig links. That's enough to put fuel in the car every now and then.

                                      I only need to bump along for two more weeks. I've been doing it for two months now so it's the home stretch

                                      Please don't offer me any of your freebies. I have no use for them at the moment. My internet access is limited

                                      I could use a drink though. I haven't had a beer since the 4th of July, so if you want to buy me a drink, visit my Paul Buckley's Beach Bar
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                    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
                      Originally Posted by nico52 View Post

                      I have had this happen to me so I decided to help people out. Whenever someone would contact me about giving them my WSO for free I would reply to them and ask them what they would be willing to trade ( work ) for my WSO. They would write back and say they would be more than willing to do a little work for them.

                      So I would send them keywords to write 3-4 articles on. I wasn't really worried about getting the articles because I figure I could probably write a better one myself. What I wanted to see is if they were willing to actually trade something of value for it.

                      I have sent this pm to at least 10 people looking for free WSO access. Do you know how many actually took me up on my offer? 1 person had the drive to sit down and write 3 articles. I never used them and I helped him improve his article by giving him some advice on how to write better articles.

                      It absolutely amazes me. I wonder how many of these people would actually use what they were given in the first place.

                      Adam
                      Brilliant approach because it forces people to commit their own effort to get your product.

                      That means they should also be committed to reading the product and hopefully taking action on it.

                      There is no free lunch.

                      Kindest regards,
                      Andrew Cavanagh
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                  • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
                    Hi Tim,

                    Man, there seems to be a rash of this sort of thing going on lately. There was another thread started a couple of days ago on the very same subject/problem, so it isn't just you.

                    I'd be willing to bet the people who contacted you asking for the freebie were the same people who contacted that person who posted that other thread.

                    Anyway, I too have a problem with handing them a WSO for free. Yeah I know, some can't afford it. I understand that too because I've been there too. BUT, it seems to me if someone wants something badly enough, they will find a way to pay the $17 or take it out in trade.

                    I've never had to ask anyone for there product. Now I've been fortunate to have people give me products and money both, but I've never had to ask. The thing here is, it's your perogative to give out your product to whomever you please.

                    Doing so because you were goaded into it because of what someone said is just flat out wrong!

                    Btw, contrary to believe by some of the above posters, you shouldn't have to give anything out for free! Andrew is right, you'd only be doing them and yourself a dis-service.

                    I can see giving out a teaser if you are going to do a big launch with a high priced product, and want to get a pre-sell going. That's fine, but for a $17 WSO?? Not a chance.

                    Hope this helps ...


                    Mary
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              • Profile picture of the author clare1982
                I totaly agree with you Tim, I dont mean to sound harsh because I know what it's like to be skint. I started IM about a year ago and in that time I must of had my internet cut off about a half a dozen times, and nearly lost my house twice. But I did not even dare ask for anyone else's product for free. I just picked myself up and did what I needed to do to save my house and get back online.

                Would you go into the supermarket and ask for a loaf of bread or a pint of milk for free? Probably not, and if you did you would probably get laughed at, so why expect it for free online.

                There is absolutely loads of free information online to get you started in IM, just google what you need to know and 9 times out of 10 you will find all the info you could ever need.

                Again sorry if this seems harsh, but just my 2c.

                Thanks
                Clare
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            • Profile picture of the author purple
              Some people are always looking to make a fast, easy buck online and getting free stuff to teach you how to do so would be the ultimate score. Just ignore them or send out a bland "no thanks" reply and move on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kyle Tully
    Originally Posted by Tim Whiston View Post

    About half the time when I post a WSO I get multiple PMs from people asking if I'll give them the product for free.
    And you can just bet that half of them are gonna post your products to file sharing sites.

    Free doesn't benefit anyone.

    You don't get paid for the work you've done. They don't appreciate what they have. And they have no vested interest in using the information.

    If someone doesn't have $20 for an entry level product then they are NOT in a position to start an online business. Period.
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    • Profile picture of the author logosi
      Because I have a background in film/video, some people think I'm rich and will hint at a handout. Okay, I'm somewhat of a soft-touch but I agree with most of what's said, ignore them and get on with marketing.

      And PeterDrew... yes I'm one of your followers and have most of your products, some you gave for free (thanks much) but most I paid for, and was happy to spend the money.

      You could also consider a complete freebie (with an upsell in there somewhere) that you can give to the "Angry Mob".

      But mainly, just keep keeping on, the beggars will soon go somewhere else when they don't get your attention.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
    Adam hit the nail right on the head! If someone wants something that you are offering for a WSO, they should be willing to work for it! If they aren't willing to work for it, then they are just looking for a handout. AND don't tell me that some people have no skills to offer... I don't buy that. There is always something people can do for you.

    Good advice, Adam!
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
    I would zap these people to n/a land if I could.
    Wow, you really ARE annoyed, aren't you? I just hope you never get annoyed with me!
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    • Profile picture of the author Darth Executor
      I don't buy the "people value more expensive things more" idea. I've bought 5-20 dollar WSOs worth more than some 60-100 dollar ebooks written by big names. I value everything based on its own merits and couldn't care less about the cost as long as the product delivers. That said, begging people for free stuff is just pathetic. Getting pissed off that you won't get them for free is even worse. People need to make a living and nobody is entitled to free stuff by default (plus, these knuckleheads could easily find more free info on IM than they could read in an entire lifetime if they just look).
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      • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
        Hey Paul,

        I could use a drink though. I haven't had a beer since the 4th of July, so if you want to buy me a drink, visit my Paul Buckley's Beach Bar



        Since you didn't ask Tim for a handout and I liked your Beach Bar, I bought you a drink. It was worth the smile you brought to my face with the site. Here's to the next 2 weeks going by fast.

        Tim, I have received several of these and I helped them out, but only after I checked out their post in the WF. Thank goodness I haven't been on the receiving end of the abuse part and I feel for you.

        Frankly since they came back with abuse they were not up to any good anyway. Try to have a good day or what's left of it.

        Ken
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Buckley
          Originally Posted by Ken Leatherman View Post

          Hey Paul,

          Paul Buckley's Beach Bar


          Since you didn't ask Tim for a handout and I liked your Beach Bar, I bought you a drink. It was worth the smile you brought to my face with the site. Here's to the next 2 weeks going by fast.

          Ken
          Thanks Ken. I had fun building the "Beach Bar". Now I'm going to go toast your success
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          • Profile picture of the author Ricter
            Everytime I see this (haven't read it) thread title I think, "yeah, we only want happy beggars!"

            Probably already been said in there somewhere...
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          • Profile picture of the author dbh
            Tim -

            This happens in all businesses. When I owned my own auto repair shop we occassionally ran free oil change specials to increase exposure. The only charge to the customer was a $3.00 oil disposal fee for their used oil.

            So people came in droves, got free oil changes, and some even bitched about the disposal fee. Most were never seen again until we ran more freebie specials.

            I can see why you were bothered by the context of some of these freebie requests. In the shop, I bent over backwards to help the single mom who needed her car fixed & couldn't pay or the guy who was down on his funds, etc. no problem at all. I often spent lots of my own money to buy parts for these people.

            But I never failed to get really pissed when someone griped about that tiny oil disposal fee or demanded a certain brand of part or that the work be done by a certain time when they were getting the job for free anyway. I finally concluded that the gripers weren't worth my time anyway so when they came around again I was always "busy". Most eventually took the hint.

            Don't let it bother you too much, just use your best judgement on each case.....

            - Darrell
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  • Profile picture of the author Fabian Tan
    Well, you can basically tell these people won't go very far with their 'entitlement mentality'.

    I just try to ignore/refund these people and then move on.

    I mean, you can act like that when you are the customer and you are entitled to. BUT, an a business person, it just doesn't work.

    You can't please everyone.

    Fabian
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